Marvel League 08: AM Match: Butters v. pryde15 & Kid Icarus

[Jessica Drew]

Greetings, Marvel Zombies! Welcome to the second week in this year's Marvel League, where teams compete against one another comparing who has devised the best strategy to beat the other!

A few rules:

No ring-outs.
Characters must fight in character.
You must have at least 100 posts to vote.

And now on to our match...

Butters' Rageaholics (Hulk, Psycho-Man, Topaz, Punsiher)

v.

pryde15's & Kid Icarus' The Fags & Their Hag (Xavin, Lucy in the Sky, Jennifer Kale, Will O' the Wisp, Amun)

Both participants have submitted strategies:

Please do not post or vote until both strategies have been posted and read.

[Jessica Drew]

The Rageaholics' Strategy:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p257/idontmime/butters.jpg

Phase 1:

After being shot into the arena, the Rageaholics immediately break out of their round plastic prisons. Hulk smashes his way out, Psycho-Man uses his enhanced strength to break out, Topaz shatters her pinball with her TK, and Punisher shoots his way out.

They waste no time in going to action. Topaz immediately defends the team from her fellow Witch, Jennifer Kale. They are teammates, so Topaz is fully aware of how Jennifer fights. While Jennifer may be quite powerful, she is still a student. Topaz has more experience, loads of power, and also has telepathy. Her ability to read minds, in addition to her knowledge of Jennifer Kale, will allow her to counter whatever spells Jennifer sends out and hold her off. (Topaz will not have to hold her off for long)

Psycho-Man fills the Fags and their Hag with doubt. Psycho-Man usually uses his device on large groups, so this will not be a problem for him. The team will now be unsure of themselves and hesitant. This will be especially effective against Karolina, who already has loads of self-esteem issues, in addition to probably being weakened by the lack of sunlight. She is more or less out of the fight. (It is worth noting that Psycho-Man is going to have a death grip on his device. He is fully expecting Will O’ the Wisp or Amun to try and take it from him, but they will have a serious problem if they try, because Psycho-Man’s powerful suit was able to engage in hand-to-hand combat with the Thing.)

Hulk leaps in front of Jennifer Kale. If Xavin and/or Karolina have a force field up, Hulk will smash right through it. (In World War Hulk, Hulk smashed through Invisible Woman’s force field, so Xavin and Karolina really do not have a chance) Thanks to Topaz, Jennifer will be pretty helpless, especially considering that Hulk recently beat the crap out of Dr. Strange (twice). Hulk does the same thing he did to Strange and breaks her hands. Before she can even let out a yelp of pain, Hulk will (politely) knock her out. With the lone Hag out of the way, Hulk sets his sights on Xavin and leaps at hi-… he-… um… it. (If Xavin has him/herself or any of his/her allies invisible, than Hulk will probably be able to sense them, and will also have Topaz informing him telepathically.)

The Punisher will be playing it defensively (… sort of) by shooting at any enemies approaching Topaz, Psycho-Man, and himself. His main target is going to be Amun, who may be fast, but can’t go straight to 160 mph. Plus, there is not a whole lot of room for him to maneuver without hitting an electric bumper. Punisher is not afraid to shoot and has very good aim. Also, Amun will be an easier target thanks to Psycho-Man’s influence. It is very likely that Amun will get hit, and he will go down.

End of Phase 1.
Out: Jennifer Kale, Amun (probably), Karolina (conscious, but most likely practically helpless)

Phase 2:

Topaz further increases the doubt in Amun (if he is still up) and Will O’ the Wisp. If anyone gets close, she will use her TK and send them into one of the electrical bumpers. If Will O’ the Wisp’s intangibility protects him from TK for some reason, than she will hit him with a mystical blast which will also send him into one of the electrical bumpers. If all else fails, she will telepathically call to the Hulk for help, and he will smash whoever is attacking into one of the electrical bumpers.

Psycho-Man amplifies the doubt on Karolina and Xavin. If Karolina wasn’t out before, she is definitely out now. If someone gets too close to him, he will focus his influence on that person. (Karolina and Xavin should not be protected from Psycho-Man due to being aliens. He has used his device on all sorts of non-humans.)

Hulk smashes Xavin. If Xavin tries using Human Torches powers, he/she is out of luck because Hulk has withstood the full force of Human Torch’s Nova Blast. If Xavin tries using Invisible Woman’s powers, he/she is out of luck because Hulk has broken through Invisible Woman’s force fields and invisibility would be pointless. If Xavin tries using Mister Fantastic’s powers, he/she is out of luck because Hulk recently beat the crap out of Mister Fantastic. If Xavin tries using Thing’s powers… Well then he/she is stupid and deserves to get smashed. Xavin is out. Hulk then leaps back to his allies, since Will O’ the Wisp might still be up.

If Amun is still up, Punisher will correct that. If Will O’ the Wisp is still up, he will assist in bringing him down.

End of Phase 2
Out: Jennifer Kale, Amun, Xavin, Will O’ the Wisp (probably), Karolina (conscious, but helpless)

Phase 3:

At this point, all that might be left are Will O’ the Wisp and Karolina (who is most likely crying in a corner and huddled in the fetal position). Will O’ the Wisp’s hypnosis is a non-factor, since Psycho-Man and Topaz can counter it. Moreover, both Topaz and Psycho-Man are filling him with doubt. If he is miraculously still up, he won’t stay that way for long.

That just leaves a depressed Karolina. Psycho-Man decides to have some fun (because he’s an evil asshole). He reverses his Hate function, thus changing it to Love, and targets Hulk.

Hulk salivates at Karolina, and exclaims “Hulk horny!” A rather pitiful chase then ensues as Karolina tries to summon up whatever dignity in herself she has left and flies around. Sadly for her, the ceiling is unbreakable. Also sadly for her, Hulk is a guy (the green thing doesn’t bother her though).

Eventually, Hulk catches her, and his affections knock her out. Psycho-Man laughs his ass off, but is forced to turn Hulk back to normal by Topaz.

End of Phase 3
Out: The Fags and their Hag

Post-match:

Topaz heals her friend, Jennifer Kale. Psycho-Man is annoyed that Topaz ruined his fun though, so he cranks up his Fear function (which is known to create illusions), and uses it on Jennifer Kale as she is waking up. He then laughs at Jennifer’s horror as she wakes up to this (http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/f/fb/Jennifer_kale.jpg).

[Jessica Drew]

Work it (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1kgokj9lAlU)

- As the match begins, our plan is immediately brought into action. Will O’ The Wisp, turns intangible, as they are shot off. Thus the ball goes but he doesn’t. (simultaneous)

- Jennifer Kale is a strong sorceress who has been trained by Dr. Strange. One thing that makes her unique is her ability to tap into other mystic’s mystical energy, and use it. This being said, she taps into Topaz’s ability. (simultaneous)

- Will O’ The Wisp flies after Jennifer Kale’s ball, once he reaches it, he turns tangible and stops it. Then he uses his super strength to crack it open.

- Now out of her ball, and tapped into Topaz’s mystical energy. She uses Topaz’s empathy, which is assumed to be mystical in nature, to calm the Hulk. She calm’s him to the point, where he becomes Bruce Banner.

- Will O’ The Wisp (who is still intangible) flies over to the over team, phases underneath the ground and reappears next to Banner. He than turns tangible and punches Banner with all of his might, until Bruce is knocked out.

- Xavin creates a force field around his ball, so that he can control his movement.

- Jennifer Kale, still in twined with Topaz’s mystical energy, makes Topaz cast “The Clamp of Containment” (DS #34). This spell summons and shapes rocks around the target, trapping the lower body and hands at the waist. The target is unable to cast spells.

- Jennifer Kale now uses her ability of teleportation to teleport Amun to the top of battlefield. (simultaneous)

- Karolina Dean uses her powers to destroy the ball, and flies out of reach of the opposing team. (simultaneous)

- There, Amun uses his mystical ankhs ( SCAN (http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/Arana-no02-Page10-11.jpg)), once the target has been located, the ankhs will go directly to that position. Amun targets Psycho Man and lets it fly. He can throw the ankh as fast as bullets, so most definitely this will be enough to get rid of him. (I would like to remind everyone, that Amun is an assassin, so killing someone will not bother him.)

Hot Mess (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=b3RQXbtNKfQ)

- Jennifer cast “The Shield of Seraphim” to protect them from assault.

- Will O’ The Wisp (intangible) flies over to Punisher and partially materializes inside Punisher’s body. Will’s density controlled powers, are said to be extremely similar to that of Vision. So this move is more than enough to take out Punisher.

- Xavin (who has the force field around the ball) races up towards Topaz. As he is doing this, Karolina begins to blast her with energy bolts. Once close to her, he forces all of his strength into running into her. There he knocks into her at full force, and with the combined attacks from Karolina this should take her out.


DEFEATS: Hulk, Psycho Man, Punisher, Topaz

FIERCE (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6Slk_NzXYsA)

- With the outcome of our match. Jennifer becomes so excited she conjures up a pole and does a little number.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g5...fNight2009.jpg

And not being able to contain herself anymore she tears top off!

[Butters]

- Jennifer Kale is a strong sorceress who has been trained by Dr. Strange. One thing that makes her unique is her ability to tap into other mystic’s mystical energy, and use it. This being said, she taps into Topaz’s ability. (simultaneous)

- Now out of her ball, and tapped into Topaz’s mystical energy. She uses Topaz’s empathy, which is assumed to be mystical in nature, to calm the Hulk. She calm’s him to the point, where he becomes Bruce Banner.

Topaz will be focussing on her immediately, and has also been trained by Dr. Strange. Even if Topaz's empathy is used on Hulk, it won't do anything, because Hulk is resistant to telepathy.

- Jennifer Kale, still in twined with Topaz’s mystical energy, makes Topaz cast “The Clamp of Containment” (DS #34). This spell summons and shapes rocks around the target, trapping the lower body and hands at the waist. The target is unable to cast spells.

Again, Topaz and Jennifer are going to be engaged in quite the mystical tiffy, and Jennifer gets the added bonus of having Hulk attacking her. Even if this spell is used on Topaz, Topaz will still have her telepathy and telekenisis.

- There, Amun uses his mystical ankhs ( SCAN (http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/Arana-no02-Page10-11.jpg)), once the target has been located, the ankhs will go directly to that position. Amun targets Psycho Man and lets it fly. He can throw the ankh as fast as bullets, so most definitely this will be enough to get rid of him.

Psycho-Man is microscopic in size, and controlling a giant armor (to him) with enhanced durability. It will probably damage his suit, but it will take more than that to take him out.

Plus, Kale will probably be defeated before Amun can be teleported. And even if he gets teleported, what is he standing on?

[pryde15]

Jennifer is tapping into Topaz's abilities to cast the spells. She is tapping into Topaz's mystical energy, not using her own. And since when is Topaz the more experienced? I'm serious, I must know. She was trained far longer by Strange, and has been shown to be the stronger sorceress. Topaz couldn't counter Kale's spells, because well Kale is using Topaz's power in the first place.

[pryde15]

As shown by the scan of Amun using his magical ankh. Once the ankh has targetted someone it will go for them as fast as a speeding bullet for that target, unless the ankh is destroyed before the spell can be fulfilled. First off it is a sharp edge, unlike a blunt fist much like the Things. And it is going very fast, it will do damage.

Also Psycho Man has a variety of armors that he uses, so it's hard to tell which one he will be using and what that armor can do.

Also the group is split up at first, since WIll O'the Wisp and Jennifer Kale break out of their as they are being shot out. So those 2 shouldn't be two of the ones concerned with Psycho Man. And Xavin would still be in a force field, Karolina well yeah Karolina is pretty much crying in the corner. But she wasn't an asset to our strategy.


and shouldn't Topaz's ability be mystical in nature? So I think the clamp of containment would apply to her other abilities as well.

[pryde15]

and sigh, our nude Jennifer has been removed :(

[pryde15]

I'd also like to bring up (since it was apparently ignored in my strategy). Topaz's empathetic abilities are mystical in nature, and Hulk is not immune to magic (yet) so he would be turned into Bruce Banner.

Which also means he isn't taking out Kale, Xavin, or Karolina.

[Butters]

Jennifer is tapping into Topaz's abilities to cast the spells. She is tapping into Topaz's mystical energy, not using her own. And since when is Topaz the more experienced? I'm serious, I must know. She was trained far longer by Strange, and has been shown to be the stronger sorceress. Topaz couldn't counter Kale's spells, because well Kale is using Topaz's power in the first place.

Topaz has been using her powers since she was a little girl, and I was also under the impression that she was older.

When has Jennifer used the ability to completely control someone who uses magic? I need some more details on that.

Either way, Hulk would still be resistant, and Kale would still be smashed.

As shown by the scan of Amun using his magical ankh. Once the ankh has targetted someone it will go for them as fast as a speeding bullet for that target, unless the ankh is destroyed before the spell can be fulfilled. First off it is a sharp edge, unlike a blunt fist much like the Things. And it is going very fast, it will do damage.

Also Psycho Man has a variety of armors that he uses, so it's hard to tell which one he will be using and what that armor can do.

Also the group is split up at first, since WIll O'the Wisp and Jennifer Kale break out of their as they are being shot out. So those 2 shouldn't be two of the ones concerned with Psycho Man. And Xavin would still be in a force field, Karolina well yeah Karolina is pretty much crying in the corner. But she wasn't an asset to our strategy.

True that he has a variety of armors. However, they are all enhanced, and he is microscopic. Whichever one he is using, he will be fine.

I have to attack the concept of them breaking out right when they are shot out. I was under the impression that they couldn't get out of the balls until they hit the first bumper. Otherwise, they all could do that.

Also, I am still confused as to where Amun is being teleported. Where is he being teleported?

and shouldn't Topaz's ability be mystical in nature? So I think the clamp of containment would apply to her other abilities as well.

The way you described that spell, her hands and legs would be blocked off from spells. She doesn't need to use them for telepathy and telekenisis, however.

[pryde15]

Punisher won't be able to take out Will O'the Wisp since he stays intangible the entire match, untill he pulls his move on Punisher, so him shooting him won't work. Also Kale cast Shield of Seraphim so bullets flying at any of her teammates by her (Amun) wouldn't work.

I already addressed Hulk's status, along with Topaz's.

Psycho Man might be able to pull off his move, but still, most of our strategy is in place by then. So it doesn't have that much affect on our team, other than Karolina. And she wasn't a key player in our strategy anyways.

[Butters]

I'd also like to bring up (since it was apparently ignored in my strategy). Topaz's empathetic abilities are mystical in nature, and Hulk is not immune to magic (yet) so he would be turned into Bruce Banner.

Which also means he isn't taking out Kale, Xavin, or Karolina.

He beat up Strange, so evidently mystical stuff isn't that crippling to him.

Plus, I am unsure as to how mystical her telepathy is. It's not exactly a normal thing for magic users. It is a form of telepathy though, so I have treated it as such.

[Butters]

I still need clarification on Kale's move.

Also, I still need clarification on where you teleport Amun.

[pryde15]

Topaz has been using her powers since she was a little girl, and I was also under the impression that she was older.

Kale was trained by Dr. Strange for a much longer period of time, than Topaz. There is a reason Jennifer is worth 6 and Topaz 4.

When has Jennifer used the ability to completely control someone who uses magic? I need some more details on that.

I believe it is an ability she gained from the spellbook she has. I will get more info on it.

Either way, Hulk would still be resistant, and Kale would still be smashed.

Like I said, Topaz's abilities are mystical in nature. It would affect Hulk, he isn't resistant to Magic, just yet. She isn't a mutant.


True that he has a variety of armors. However, they are all enhanced, and he is microscopic. Whichever one he is using, he will be fine.

That was unknown to us, but still the ankh would damage him at the least. Either way he isn't a vital part to your strategy.

I have to attack the concept of them breaking out right when they are shot out. I was under the impression that they couldn't get out of the balls until they hit the first bumper. Otherwise, they all could do that.

We have a character who can turn intangible, so it is very plausible for him to get out. And he can fly as superhuman speeds, so that he can stop Jennifer's ball. The rest of the team doesn't get out, till after the first bumper.

Also, I am still confused as to where Amun is being teleported. Where is he being teleported?

Into the sky partially so that he can see the entire battlefield

The way you described that spell, her hands and legs would be blocked off from spells. She doesn't need to use them for telepathy and telekenisis, however.

It's magic in general, but nonetheless, even if she could use telepathy it wouldn't make a difference. And my team stays away from her, for the majority of the match. And Xavin is in a force field when he runs her over.

[pryde15]

He beat up Strange, so evidently mystical stuff isn't that crippling to him.

Plus, I am unsure as to how mystical her telepathy is. It's not exactly a normal thing for magic users. It is a form of telepathy though, so I have treated it as such.

It can still affect him though, and we aren't casting spells on him. We are using empathy.

Her powers are magic, it hasn't been stated any where that her other skills are mutant based or some other shape or form. So we must assume it's magical in nature, and I am almost positive both Kale & Strange can both use telekinesis, not sure on telepathy though.

[Darth Drizzle]

I dont think simple mind tricks work on Hulk anymore. He took down Strange convincingly, and it took all of Sentry's powers to revert him back to Banner and even then it didn't stop him or calm him down.

Psyco Mans tactics and defenses seem to work pretty good in the stratagy and i cant see how he and the Hulk can be defeated yet.

Kale seems stronger than Topaz going by training and experiance though.

[Butters]

Kale was trained by Dr. Strange for a much longer period of time, than Topaz. There is a reason Jennifer is worth 6 and Topaz 4.

The reason being that she is less obscure.

And it's not like Topaz just sat on her ass with no training prior to training under Strange. She has had multiple teachers. So has Kale.



Like I said, Topaz's abilities are mystical in nature. It would affect Hulk, he isn't resistant to Magic, just yet. She isn't a mutant.

This is all just a guess.

Hulk took Strange's best shots, so obviously he does have some serious resistance to it. He isn't Superman.

That was unknown to us, but still the ankh would damage him at the least. Either way he isn't a vital part to your strategy.

Filling the opposing team with doubt will definitely throw your team off.

Plus, lets assume that your move works and Topaz starts calming Hulk. I have another guy standing there that also controls emotions. You think he is going to just let that fly?

We have a character who can turn intangible, so it is very plausible for him to get out. And he can fly as superhuman speeds, so that he can stop Jennifer's ball. The rest of the team doesn't get out, till after the first bumper.

The balls are weak. ANY of them can destroy it immediately. Which is why I declare shenanigans, because the whole point was that the first bumper would be like a ref yelling "GO!"

Into the sky partially so that he can see the entire battlefield

What is he standing on?

[pryde15]

I dont think simple mind tricks work on Hulk anymore. He took down Strange convincingly, and it took all of Sentry's powers to revert him back to Banner and even then it didn't stop him or calm him down.

Psyco Mans tactics and defenses seem to work pretty good in the stratagy and i cant see how he and the Hulk can be defeated yet.

Kale seems stronger than Topaz going by training and experiance though.

lol, well empathy isn't a mind trick at all really. It messes with their emotions. Even if Psycho Mans move came off, it would have little affect on my team, other than Karolina.

And Hulk is probably one of the hardest characters to take down, so either way we figured out a way that seemed for a plausible way to take him out.

[pryde15]

The reason being that she is less obscure.

And it's not like Topaz just sat on her ass with no training prior to training under Strange. She has had multiple teachers. So has Kale.

And her powers being based on something else isn't?


This is all just a guess.

Excuse me? We studied for this match, and we worked our asses off to come up with this, and y'know what.... there is no need for this type of comment.
But thanks for being pretentious, it was greatly appreciated :rolleyes:

Hulk took Strange's best shots, so obviously he does have some serious resistance to it. He isn't Superman.

And like I said, we aren't casting a spell.


Filling the opposing team with doubt will definitely throw your team off.

Plus, lets assume that your move works and Topaz starts calming Hulk. I have another guy standing there that also controls emotions. You think he is going to just let that fly?

Did you have Psycho Man doing anything about it in your strat.? So even if Psycho Man wouldn't done something in a real fight, this isn't a real fight, so we can't assume what he would do, now can we. Plus we did take care of Banner in our strategy. Karolina is the only one to be shown with self esteem problems, so yes that would take care of her. The rest of my team? No.


The balls are weak. ANY of them can destroy it immediately. Which is why I declare shenanigans, because the whole point was that the first bumper would be like a ref yelling "GO!"
That's because rolling most would not be able to break out. While Will can turn intangible, and he has to concentrate to become solid, not to turn intangible. Besides things like this have been done before.



What is he standing on?

He isn't they are teleported. Kale can fly, I did not write in that they were teleported back, even though I should've. Jennifer can fly though, which would explain for her reasoning to getting back to the ground.

[Butters]

Excuse me? We studied for this match, and we worked our asses off to come up with this, and y'know what.... there is no need for this type of comment.
But thanks for being pretentious, it was greatly appreciated :rolleyes:

I didn't mean to be pretentious or to insinuate that you didn't research. I apologize if it came out that way.

I was just trying to say that I don't think this point has really come up.

And like I said, we aren't casting a spell.

Yeah, but you are using mystical stuff.


Did you have Psycho Man doing anything about it in your strat.? So even if Psycho Man wouldn't done something in a real fight, this isn't a real fight, so we can't assume what he would do, now can we. Plus we did take care of Banner in our strategy. Karolina is the only one to be shown with self esteem problems, so yes that would take care of her. The rest of my team? No.

First of all, they don't need to have serious self esteem problems in order for his empathy to affect them. It is a nice bonus in Karolina's case, however.

Also, I have brought up that stuff like hypnosis wouldn't work since they have eachother's backs when it comes to mind games. It can be assumed that if Hulk is reverting, Psycho Man isn't gonna let it fly.

That's because rolling most would not be able to break out. While Will can turn intangible, and he has to concentrate to become solid, not to turn intangible. Besides things like this have been done before.

Eh. The rolling wouldn't be too much of an issue. JD said that the match starts after they hit a bumper, and I stand by that.

He isn't they are teleported. Kale can fly, I did not write in that they were teleported back, even though I should've. Jennifer can fly though, which would explain for her reasoning to getting back to the ground.

Alright, just needed that to be cleared up.

[pryde15]

Yeah, but you are using mystical stuff.

But the funny thing is, you are saying that Psycho Man would be able to turn him back into the Hulk, aren't you? So The move would work.



First of all, they don't need to have serious self esteem problems in order for his empathy to affect them. It is a nice bonus in Karolina's case, however.

Would it affect them, yes? Would it really affect my strategy all that much? No.


Also, I have brought up that stuff like hypnosis wouldn't work since they have eachother's backs when it comes to mind games. It can be assumed that if Hulk is reverting, Psycho Man isn't gonna let it fly.

You can't add things like this, that is what contingencies are for. In a real fight, Psycho Man would do that. But in this type situation, he wouldn't be allowed to.

[Butters]

But the funny thing is, you are saying that Psycho Man would be able to turn him back into the Hulk, aren't you? So The move would work.

Psycho-Man doesn't control emotions telepathically.

Up to this point, I have assumed that Topaz's powers were typical telepathy, and that typical telpathic resistance would apply... Yeesh, I never thought I would have to try and downplay my own person. Heh.

Would it affect them, yes? Would it really affect my strategy all that much? No.

Actually it could. Especially if Kale's move requires loads of concentration.

You can't add things like this, that is what contingencies are for. In a real fight, Psycho Man would do that. But in this type situation, he wouldn't be allowed to.

We will probably keep going in circles, so I won't press this one.

Anyways, I still need more specifics on Kale's move.

[pryde15]

Psycho-Man doesn't control emotions telepathically.

Up to this point, I have assumed that Topaz's powers were typical telepathy, and that typical telpathic resistance would apply... Yeesh, I never thought I would have to try and downplay my own person. Heh.



Actually it could. Especially if Kale's move requires loads of concentration.



We will probably keep going in circles, so I won't press this one.

Anyways, I still need more specifics on Kale's move.


Kale doesn't need to concentrate to complete her moves, and I gave you info on her abilities. Plus Kale isn't affected by Psycho Man's. If you look at the PM match for today, one of the posters does the same thing, since it is within one of his character's abilities.

Once again we can't assume that her empathy is telepathic in nature, since her powers are mystical in nature, it has to be assumed that it is mystical in nature. And telepathy is different from empathy.

[Butters]

Kale doesn't need to concentrate to complete her moves, and I gave you info on her abilities. Plus Kale isn't affected by Psycho Man's. If you look at the PM match for today, one of the posters does the same thing, since it is within one of his character's abilities.

Once again we can't assume that her empathy is telepathic in nature, since her powers are mystical in nature, it has to be assumed that it is mystical in nature. And telepathy is different from empathy.

Er... Actually you said that you thought that it came from her book and that you would get some more info. I would still like more info.

And why isn't Kale affected by Psycho-Man?

Also... YEESH has this debate been heated. We need to lighten the mood a bit. I feel it is worth saying that your strategy is very good and that you are a hell of a debater. Sorry if I have come off as being pretentious.

[pryde15]

Er... Actually you said that you thought that it came from her book and that you would get some more info. I would still like more info.

And why isn't Kale affected by Psycho-Man?

Also... YEESH has this debate been heated. We need to lighten the mood a bit. I feel it is worth saying that your strategy is very good and that you are a hell of a debater. Sorry if I have come off as being pretentious.

lol well thank you. You only came off as pretentious in that post.

Basically it's hard to find info on that, but the little I found says that.

Kale & Will O'the Wisp are separated from the rest of my team, you would affect Amun, Xavin, and Karolina.

and yes it has been definetly heated.

[Pach!]

I liked both arguments. Ultimately I went with Pryde and KI because of the whole Kale thing.

Anyways good match, both of you, Id love to hear some more countering back and forth before making my decision but sleepy time is soon and we need to vote.

So Pryde and KI, I choose you!

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[Boogie]

Holmes/Watson Approve of this vote.

[Flâneur]

Leaning toward pryde and kid icarus, must talk with Josef first before vote.