Who is Batman's top rogue lists?

[frostedone]

Batman has possibly rogues gallery, out of the entire DC universe?

But just who is Batman's best?

There will be four categories:

Who is the most intelligent?

Who is the most dangerous to the general population?

Who is the most feared?

and Who is the deadliest to superheros in general?

I'll make my lists first:

Who is the most intelligent?

We have many people who could take this spot, The Riddler, the Joker, Hush, Dr. Hugo, Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul...the list goes on, there are many geniuses who oppose Batman.

1. Ra's Al Ghul. He has several centuries of knowledge in him. He also figured out Batman and Robin's alter egos.

2. Hush. Batman's old 'friend' is a brain surgeon, so that alone shows how smart he is. He also figured out Batman's identity, and manipulated most of Batman's other major villains.

3. The Riddler. He is a genius with one flaw, he is compelled to leave riddles after he does any crime. He did figure out Batman's identity though.

Honorable mentions: The Joker, Scarecrow, and the Mad Hatter.

Who is the most dangerous to the general population?

1. The Joker he has already killed in the thousands. He is unpredictable, and often kills people on a whim.

~~Ra's Al Ghul has the potential to easily be number 1, but he really doesn't do any damage to most people, even though he commands the League~

2. Poison Ivy. She has a infamous habit of killing any one who messes with plants, especially men. Plus her blood and skin and stuff are toxic to the average person.

3. Two-face. His split personality is a real danger to people. He is involved in organized crime, and has killed several people.

Honorable mentions: Killer Croc, Bane, and Dr. Arkam.

Why Dr. Arkam? Anyone who let's that many criminals go free, that freaquently and does little to upgrade security at the asylum is a a dangerous guy.

Who is the most feared?

1. Joker, no question. Batman fears him, villains fear him, everyone, even Harley Quinn (sometimes) is afraid of him. When villains want to scare each other, they tell Joker stories.

2. The Scarecrow. Let's face it he uses fear a a weapon.

3. Killer Croc. He is huge, strong, not incredibly smart, and can tear people in two.

Who is the deadliest to superheros in general?

1. Joker. Most superhero's would underestimate him since he does not have an powers. He will psychologically beat them, then use whatever weaknesses they gave, and the finish them off. Let's face he has a reasonable chance of even besting Darkseid, who is like stronger than Superman...

2. Ra's Al Ghul. The Tower of Babble arc, showed us that he can disable the Justice League.

3. Poison Ivy. She mind controlled Superman, and nearly all men, and some women cannot resist her. Plus she can kill people with a kiss, or control them, and if she can get Superman in her trap, many other members of the JL should be much easier.

I wanted to include Deathstroke in these lists, but he isn't Batman's rogue. He is Nightwing's. I do not recall him ever fighting Batman until Infinite Crisis. Please let me know if I am wrong.

Also I count Catwoman as a hero, or at least neutral, so that is why she was not included on these lists.

Discuss and feel free to make your own list too!

[Greg Anderson]

Two-Face is the only one that matters! :mad:

[Cornelius Stirk]

Nice list, not sure I agree with all your choices, but good list. When did Dr.Arkham let his patients go deliberately though? Also I don’t see Joker taking down Darkseid without some kind of powers like in ‘Emperor Joker.’ Darkseid has no sense of humor and would just get annoyed and blast him with his omega beams.:cool:

Here’s what I’d choose, with no specific numbers for each.

Most Intelligent:

1. Hugo Strange. Able to create genetic monsters by messing with their pituitary glands and creating his monster serum, puts him pretty high on the mad scientist list.

2. Man-Bat. Creating a formula for turning himself into a giant bat is helluva impressive.

3.Mr.Freeze. His work in cryonics speaks highly of his genius.

4.Scarecrow/Hush (tie) Scarecrows fear toxins make him a fairly expert chemist, while Tommy Elliot’s brain surgeon day job is good.

5. Mad Hatter. Anyone able to develop that powerful of mind control technology has to have something going on n brains wise.

Who is the most dangerous to the general population?

When it comes to this category I favor the serial killer type guys who target the general population of Gotham, not necessarily going after Batman.

1. Zsasz. He kills anybody, and doesn’t discriminate. He could be anywhere if he escapes.

2. Cornelius Stirk. This cannibal killer can similarly appear anywhere, and with his ability to appear to be anyone is incredibly hard to avoid.

3.Firefly. His agenda of burning Gotham to the ground makes him a potential threat to anyone living in the city.

4. Scarecrow. Has used his fear gas on a widespread scale before, and basically brought Gotham to its knees. (See Batman 455-57 and Shadow Of The Bat 16-18).

5. The Joker. Just based on him being , well The Joker.

Who is the most feared?
1. The Joker. Way back in an event called ‘Underworld Unleashed’ The Trickster said ‘when other villains want to scare each other they tell Joker stories.’ Nuff said.

2. Scarecrow. Well duh!

3. Killer Croc/Bane (tie) one’s an urban legend brought to life and incredibly strong, the other not only broke the Bat, but broke Killer Croc’s wrists.

4.Dr.Phosphorous/Corrosive Man. Their powers make you scared just seeing them.


Who is the deadliest to superheroes in general?

This is harder as most of Batman’s rogues tend to be non-super powered , and as such only really work as Batman foes, but here goes (hey that rhymes).

1. Poison Ivy. Her powers, including the creation of massive plant monsters make her a potential global threat.

2. Ra’s al Ghul. His plans for returning the earth to a more pristine state and his vast resources usually make him more of a JLA level menace than just Batman.

3. Clayface. His powers are truly scary if properly harnessed.

4. Man-Bat. Morrison showed us what an army of trained Man-Bats could be.

[OverMaster]

Nice list, not sure I agree with all your choices, but good list. When did Dr.Arkham let his patients go deliberately though?

At the start of No Man's Land, although there, it was just because they were trapped at the Asylum and otherwise would just die of starving. Besides, he thought they would run into an empty Gotham City since almost everyone else had left it.

[brundlefly]

Two-Face is the only one that matters! :mad:

This is the correct response. Harvey is the pinnacle of the Bat-rogue heap for me, too.

[nepenthes]

Who is the most intelligent?
Ra's Al Ghul
Bane
Joker
Honourable mention: Riddler
- Mad hatter, Freeze and Scarecrow etc are just one trick ponies. They don't actually use their devices very cleverly and creating one advanced technology does not make you supremely intellligent, not in the DC universe at least.
- Bane and Joker are the ONLY two players that have beat Ra's Al Ghul in chess. :)

Who is the most dangerous to the general population?
Joker
Ra's Al Ghul
Mr. Zsasz/Mr.Freeze/Killer Croc - the impulsive killers. They kill as naturally as they breathe and for no reason at all

Who is the most feared?
Joker
Ra's Al Ghul - among those who know he exists
Kiler Croc
Red Hood/Jason Todd should be on this list. if not for Countdown :mad:

Who is the deadliest to superheros in general?
Ra's Al Ghul
Poison Ivy
Batman himself
- the Joker doesn't care about any other superheroes apart from Batman

[frostedone]

Who is the most intelligent?
Ra's Al Ghul
Bane
Joker
Honourable mention: Riddler
- Mad hatter, Freeze and Scarecrow etc are just one trick ponies. They don't actually use their devices very cleverly and creating one advanced technology does not make you supremely intellligent, not in the DC universe at least.
- Bane and Joker are the ONLY two players that have beat Ra's Al Ghul in chess. :)



When did the Joker and Bane beat Ra's in chess? That sounds like it must have been an awesome match.

[The Zapper]

When did the Joker and Bane beat Ra's in chess? That sounds like it must have been an awesome match.

I can't tell you about Bane, but Joker beat Ra's while barely paying attention. I can't remember what title it was in though.

[brundlefly]

I can't tell you about Bane, but Joker beat Ra's while barely paying attention. I can't remember what title it was in though.

Legends of the Dark Knight. "The Demon Laughs."

Bane's win was in the "Bane of the Demon" mini.

[JackBurton01]

Deathstroke's personal hatred of batman comes from a three isuue arc back around 1996-1997 where he has a contract in gotham and batman tries to interfere. Deathstroke monkey stomps batman twice the third time batman clubs him down with his own rifle and takes his sword as a trophy for the batcave. Later in Nightwing
Deathstroke "and tell your mentor I'm coming back to gotham to retrieve my sword"
Does anyone know the issue numbers? recollecting has made me want to buy the back issues lol

[nepenthes]

"It's like he can harness the forces of chaos to his own will" - Ra's Al Ghul comments on the Jokers chess play,. Paraphrasing, but it was something like that.

[Dark Knight Of Gotham]

Most Intelligent is The Riddler. Guy has outsmarted Batman in Hush.
Most Dangerous is Ra's Al Ghul. He's a worldwide threat.
Most feared is The Joker. Nuff' said.
Most deadliest is most dangerous. Ra's Al Ghul.

[Heltyr]

Most Intelligent

Two-way tie between the Joker and Riddler. One side represents order/logic and the other chaos.

The Joker can make his laughing gas, which is a genuine WMD, out of things in a janitorial supply closet. He's come up with a virus that Grodd and Grodd's people couldn't stop, he's also made toxins that can effect/paralyze meta-humans like WW and Aquaman. He's also made blimps that can throw Superman around and thermal bombs that can severely weaken Clark as well. There's also that whole last laugh arc. He does all of this on a shoe-string budget. Joker is an epic street-level villain.

Riddler for the reasons posted earlier.



Most Dangerous against people

Ra's Al Ghul. He has the resources available to release world devastating plots. He has the most potential to ruin everyone's day.




Most feared

Joker.



Most Dangerous against Superheroes.

Tough call. I'd say its gotta be someone who can work and play well with others and can join a super-villain team. Maybe Ra's.

[TMM Writes Lego]

joker or black mask
wait he wasnt listed? still black mask is cool

[Cornelius Stirk]

Most Intelligent

Two-way tie between the Joker and Riddler. One side represents order/logic and the other chaos.

How is being batS#$$ insane a sign of a superior intellect? I thought he beat Ra's because he played too unpredictably to counter with logic.

[OverMaster]

How is being batS#$$ insane a sign of a superior intellect? I thought he beat Ra's because he played too unpredictably to counter with logic.

With a well written Joker, his edge comes from a combination of great intellect and utter unpredictability.

[TeamED209]

Deathstroke's personal hatred of batman comes from a three isuue arc back around 1996-1997 where he has a contract in gotham and batman tries to interfere. Deathstroke monkey stomps batman twice the third time batman clubs him down with his own rifle and takes his sword as a trophy for the batcave. Later in Nightwing
Deathstroke "and tell your mentor I'm coming back to gotham to retrieve my sword"
Does anyone know the issue numbers? recollecting has made me want to buy the back issues lol
Det comics 708 - 710

[JackBurton01]

Thanks TeamED209, I appreciate it.

[Cornelius Stirk]

I agree with you, but that was written when The Joker was consistently written as a cackiling insane spree killer. The only 'brilliant plan' I remember from that era was when he kidnapped the mayor during Knightfall and basically made him destroy the city.

[filthysize]

Maybe I'm just a fanboy, but I'm gonna answer Joker for all of those. Depends on how he feels that day.

[Earl of the RCs]

Who is the most intelligent?

Riddler. Number one smartest person on the planet bar none, but without proper guidance in his youth he's never learned to focus his intellect and he's used crime and his compulsion to leave riddles as an anchor to stop him drifting into full blown joker level of insanity. When he talks to you, say he says "hello, nice weather we're having" he is thinking about all the books he has ever read or movies he has seen that include that exact phrazing and of the lines of dialogue that immeddiately pro and precede them, he is imagineng the words he is saying in at least 20 different languages, including hyroglyphics, mayan, chinese, thanagaran, appocalyptian, martian and kryptonian (langages he taught himself via the one or two occasionas he glimpsed snatches of text), rearanging all the words into different anagrams and pottential riddles, he is imaginign the words expressed as a mathmatical code and converting it into various equations, he is anylyising the actual meterological conditions that led to the nice weather we're having and making a list of all the days that gotham ever experienced similar weather condtions from the time he read all the newspaper archives in the gotham library in between planning his crimes, and he is thinking of the perfect way to steal your money.



Who is the most dangerous to the general population?

Hugo Strange

Who is the most feared?

Joker. But if I ever get to write a Batman title another villian (no, not the Riddler) is gona ice the freak.

and Who is the deadliest to superheros in general?

Ra's Ah Ghul.

[The Lucky One]

"It's like he can harness the forces of chaos to his own will" - Ra's Al Ghul comments on the Jokers chess play,. Paraphrasing, but it was something like that.

It's hard for me to picture the Joker allowing himself to be constrained by the rules of chess long enough to finish a game. Somehow I envision him making his knight jump three of Ra's' pawns, demanding Ra's king him, and then trying to collect $200 for passing Go.

-D

[Cornelius Stirk]

Who is the most intelligent?

When he talks to you, say he says "hello, nice weather we're having" he is thinking about all the books he has ever read or movies he has seen that include that exact phrazing and of the lines of dialogue that immeddiately pro and precede them, he is imagineng the words he is saying in at least 20 different languages, including hyroglyphics, mayan, chinese, thanagaran, appocalyptian, martian and kryptonian (langages he taught himself via the one or two occasionas he glimpsed snatches of text),

O.K, when did he learn Kryptonian exactly? yeah he's smart-but I think you're projecting attributes that haven't been stated here. He's smart but come on he fell for a pretty obvious trap by Penguin in the last Gotham underground.

[earl]

A villain that I liked created by Ed Brubaker in his Batman run which I don't think anyone has used much since was Philo Zeiss. The story with him, Lou Moxon and Deadshot was really good.

An older villain that has not been used much, but I think the right writer could turn into a cool character is the original Black Spider (aka Eric Needham). The two parter by Len Wein in the 70s is pretty good and his original origin is akin to the Punisher, in that he was a former drug addict that was going after and murdering drug dealers. His costume was pretty good and Marshall Rogers picked up on the wrist guns when he re-designed Deadshot.

The Black Spider has had a couple of very small roles in the back ground, including oddly enough in Sandman of all places (at least according to wiki). There are some interesting holes that could be cleverly used as back story like for example that Deadshot got the idea for the wrist guns from the Black Spider while in prison together.