Could Iceman Blood bend?

[Acecool]

In Avatar the last air bender, Katara found a new ability that allows her to take over another person's body. It is called blood bending. She literally takes the water in a person's body and bends it to make them do what ever she wants.

Can Iceman potentially do the same thing?

What about inhabiting some one else's body? I know he has used some one else's water, and has lived in another person's body, but could he actively take over a person's body?

[_Jayme_]

Nice thread..It actually makes sense..He's able to control the moisture around him, right? I don't see why he wouldn't be able to..hmm..never thought about that until now.

[claimtosubclaim]

That doesn't sound far-fetched at all, considering he has unlimited potential and has already manipulated moisture found inside of human bodies. I think it's an ethical choice that he doesn't do it though.

[scamprin]

IMO, his powers have always seemed much more blunt than that. He's got tremendous power, but I can't think of anything that he's done that is so precarious as tinkering with someone else's body chemistry or whatever. I'd imagine horrible consequences for whoever he's toying with.

[claimtosubclaim]

Bobby got blown up once by an exploding arrow, and the only remnant was his head, which Warren picked up and kept. They were then imprisoned, where Bobby proceeded to kill the guard and reform his own body simultaneously by draining the guard of all the liquids in his body.

Bobby also killed the Vault member Fuego by freezing all of the moisture from his fire-based body and expanding it.

I don't think he generally likes to go to such extremes though.

[RickyD410]

How else has Iceman used the moisture in other people's bodies? I'm a huge Iceman fan, but I only started reading comics around 2003.

Someone said he's lived inside other person's body before? How can he do that?

[claimtosubclaim]

How else has Iceman used the moisture in other people's bodies? I'm a huge Iceman fan, but I only started reading comics around 2003.

Someone said he's lived inside other person's body before? How can he do that?

He can exist as a sentient being as long as there is moisture in the area. He lived as a dormant gas inside of Fuego for a short period of time before reforming and expanding to kill him.

[RickyD410]

He can exist as a sentient being as long as there is moisture in the area. He lived as a dormant gas inside of Fuego for a short period of time before reforming and expanding to kill him.

Oh, ok. I did see that then. I loved Carey's X-Men.

So Iceman can control water molecules. He freezes them. But can he UNfreeze them? I mean, can he melt ice and control water that way? Or can he only take away the energy?

[claimtosubclaim]

Oh, ok. I did see that then. I loved Carey's X-Men.

So Iceman can control water molecules. He freezes them. But can he UNfreeze them? I mean, can he melt ice and control water that way? Or can he only take away the energy?

I think the examples of him turning his body into a gaseous state show that he can melt and/or evaporate ice and water. Not sure if he knows how to control the solid-liquid-gas shifting yet though. It seems like these shifts are mostly improvised in dire situations (and I doubt he spends much time trying to hone the control and range of his powers anyway). I can't remember if he's ever independently broken himself or anything else down into a liquid or gas.

[Pro]

I can't remember if he's ever independently broken himself or anything else down into a liquid or gas.

I think that's what he offered to do in AoA to travel long distance. Convert people to liquid, use waterways to get to his destination and then reform everyone. Apparently he already did that trick once because everyone was revolted by the idea of having to go through that conversion trick again.
Of course AoA Iceman was far more trained in the use of his powers than regular 616 Iceman.

[Jeff-X]

I think that's what he offered to do in AoA to travel long distance. Convert people to liquid, use waterways to get to his destination and then reform everyone. Apparently he already did that trick once because everyone was revolted by the idea of having to go through that conversion trick again.
Of course AoA Iceman was far more trained in the use of his powers than regular 616 Iceman.

He did something similar to that in X-Men Forever, except he used hot water to melt his body then went down a shower drain. I don't think he actually needed hot water to melt his body though.

The core of his abilities is controlling energy on a molecular level, as well as matter conversion. Heat, or lack thereof is the result of the speed of molecules moving around, so to lower temperature he'd have to slow down those molecules. Absolute zero is when the molecules aren't moving at all, I'm pretty sure he's mentioned coming very close to this which is amazing since scientists can't pull it off even in space. But he can also speed the molecules up to return the temperature back to it's normal level, he hasn't demonstrated making the temperature hotter but it should be possible.

The matter conversion part comes in when he turns his own body into organic ice. Yeah, most of the human body is already water, but he turns all of it into some sort of ice, he can also exist as vapor. He should be able to turn other objects into ice, organic objects in the very least.

In Carey's X-Men he used his powers to cut Sunfire's off at the atomic level. That basically means his powers actually extend beyond the molecular level, which would make sense with him being able to convert matter.

Ice is basically a side effect of one use of his powers.

[darknessatnoon]

This is a fascinating question. I counter with the following:

If you were to stick Man-Thing into a jar of dyed water, would he change color?

[La Fea]

Ice slides FTW.

I don't like it when powers become too complicated or lengthy. Saying "he freezes stuff" makes things so much simpler.

Yea, I'm taking notes from Layla Miller.

[Acecool]

I think the examples of him turning his body into a gaseous state show that he can melt and/or evaporate ice and water. Not sure if he knows how to control the solid-liquid-gas shifting yet though. It seems like these shifts are mostly improvised in dire situations (and I doubt he spends much time trying to hone the control and range of his powers anyway). I can't remember if he's ever independently broken himself or anything else down into a liquid or gas.

He did it with juggernaut once. He froze a bunch a water from a river I think to make a huge wall of ice. Iceman then concentrated and unfroze it so that it would wash juggernaut off his feet and away. I'll try to find a scan.

[Acecool]

Here is iceman controlling water that wasn't apart of him to dramatically increase his mass. It is an entire lake.

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/7494/monk30kk.jpg


Here is the image promised of iceman changing ice back into water. Notice that there isn't a beam, it is simply him thinking about it.

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/5274/transmutesicetowater2my.jpg

[Victorious]

tons of iceman scans and abilities:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t382722.html

[Home made ectoplasm]

Blood bend? I was convinced this was going to be another thread debating Iceman's sexuallity


know he has used some one else's water, and has lived in another person's body,

yep, gay.

[ProfeZZor X]

Considering the human body is made up of 98% water, I would say that is a strong probability that he could do it with little to no effort. Though I would theorize that he cannot take over the mind of that person if he inhabited the body. He could certainly take over all mobility of that persons body.

[worstblogever]

Okay, "control" is a bit of a heavy term. Magneto can affect the iron in someone's blood to hold them in place, right? Theoretically, Bobby should be able to do the same with the water in their body.

However, I'd like to think it'd be hard for Bobby to do so in a person without accidentally just freezing them to death.

Still, overall, an interesting premise.

[Acecool]

Okay, "control" is a bit of a heavy term. Magneto can affect the iron in someone's blood to hold them in place, right? Theoretically, Bobby should be able to do the same with the water in their body.

However, I'd like to think it'd be hard for Bobby to do so in a person without accidentally just freezing them to death.

Still, overall, an interesting premise.

Well, the idea is that he has control over water molecules and can make them move. We know he can do this because first he moves even though he is made of ice, and when he constructs anything made of ice the water has to flow into the construct. He would look pretty silly waiting all day for water to get trapped in a cold zone he has created in order to freeze in and make a base ball bat.

He has also shown a high degree of skill in his freezing abilities such as freezing a just a part of a person such as sunfire (i think), or in the case of Emma Frost, her brain.

[claimtosubclaim]

I just remembered in #199 that Sam casually dropped the line, "anytime you feel like turning the heat back up, Bobby" after Bobby created a huge frozen block to contain Hecatomb's core. He was also freezing and re-heating the Blackbird's engines while practicing before his shutting down of Sunfire's heat chemical reactions. There you go.

[darknessatnoon]

He has also shown a high degree of skill in his freezing abilities such as freezing a just a part of a person such as sunfire (i think), or in the case of Emma Frost, her brain.

LOL. When did he give Emma brain-freeze?

[RickyD410]

tons of iceman scans and abilities:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t382722.html

Woah, thats a handy site, Victorious. Lots of really cool stuff there. Thanks!

[Acecool]

Just something I thought was cool. Bobby in human form blows up, but still survives

http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=382722&pagenumber=7

stopping sunfire's power.

http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=382722&pagenumber=9

I can't find the brain freeze scan again.

[Acecool]

Woah, thats a handy site, Victorious. Lots of really cool stuff there. Thanks!

check out the last scan with bobby the ice giant fighting thor.

[RickyD410]

Just something I thought was cool. Bobby in human form blows up, but still survives

http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=382722&pagenumber=7

stopping sunfire's power.

http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=382722&pagenumber=9

I can't find the brain freeze scan again.

The brain freeze scan is through the link that Victorious posted. And neither of your links here work for me. :(

[Acecool]

The brain freeze scan is through the link that Victorious posted. And neither of your links here work for me. :(

My scans are from the same location as the respect thread posted earlier. It is a good thread with a lot of scans.

[ProfeZZor X]

I would even go as far as saying that he could reverse the direction of blood flow as well... Of course as you all know would kill you instantly.

But the most extreme use he's demonstrated with his powers on a living being would be with both David Haller (Legion) and Emma Frost - where with David he froze every molecule of water in his body, and with Emma, he slowed her blood flow.

But like someone said, it's an ethical thing. Which kind of contradicts itself because he had no problems killing during his run with Rogue's Rapid Response team.

[claimtosubclaim]

But like someone said, it's an ethical thing. Which kind of contradicts itself because he had no problems killing during his run with Rogue's Rapid Response team.

I think he made the exception because the Children set out to kill the New X-Men, and more directly Fuego was about to southern fry Rogue.

[Peter F.]

I think he made the exception because the Children set out to kill the New X-Men, and more directly Fuego was about to southern fry Rogue.

Plus you know Fuego had just about killed him for a second. He was lucky that he had survived within that hot head, Fuego absorbed him entirely. So fair game, when the mutant race is so close to extinction and a new race pops and says they're going to finish the job, it's a fight for survival.

[RickyD410]

I would even go as far as saying that he could reverse the direction of blood flow as well... Of course as you all know would kill you instantly.
Really? Didnt Polaris do that once? When she was crazy, she did that to a whole group of X-Men, and it just knocked them out. I dont remember when that happened... but I'm pretty sure it did.

This thread inspired me to make some Iceman avatars. All praise Bachalo!!

[bongy]

Really? Didnt Polaris do that once? When she was crazy, she did that to a whole group of X-Men, and it just knocked them out. I dont remember when that happened... but I'm pretty sure it did.

Polaris did it on her wedding day. She also did it to Annie earlier when she came back to find Havok.

[Acecool]

I would even go as far as saying that he could reverse the direction of blood flow as well... Of course as you all know would kill you instantly.

But the most extreme use he's demonstrated with his powers on a living being would be with both David Haller (Legion) and Emma Frost - where with David he froze every molecule of water in his body, and with Emma, he slowed her blood flow.

But like someone said, it's an ethical thing. Which kind of contradicts itself because he had no problems killing during his run with Rogue's Rapid Response team.


What evidence do you use to support this claim? I am not disputing it, I just want to know. How do we know he can even move water without freezing it?

[Acecool]

Multi post. The cbr can get wonky sometimes.

[Acecool]

Multi post