Possible BND spoiler from Marvel_BOy

[Kid Kyoto]

Just reposting no idea if it means anything (personally I doubt it):

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/your-daily-skrull/

Plus Marvel_B0y has some scurrilous, shocking gossip, and he’s now back to posting at night when we won’ get caught stealing internet bandwidth.



Here’s the dark little secret that no one outside the office walls is talking about: Joe Q is about two weeks away from getting fired. Not just shown the door but having it slammed so hard it knocks him on his ass. He can sing and dance about how much of a success OMD was as much as he wants but everyone knows he messed up. Both licensing and west coast are pissed and even people in editorial know it was a mistake. There have been at least three meetings in the last couple of weeks about how we can get Peter and MJ back.


Shock! Horror! Can it be true?

[Brian M.]

Marvel would lose so much crediblity in my opinion if they reversed everything.

[Volume11]

Just reposting no idea if it means anything (personally I doubt it):

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/your-daily-skrull/

Plus Marvel_B0y has some scurrilous, shocking gossip, and he’s now back to posting at night when we won’ get caught stealing internet bandwidth.



Here’s the dark little secret that no one outside the office walls is talking about: Joe Q is about two weeks away from getting fired. Not just shown the door but having it slammed so hard it knocks him on his ass. He can sing and dance about how much of a success OMD was as much as he wants but everyone knows he messed up. Both licensing and west coast are pissed and even people in editorial know it was a mistake. There have been at least three meetings in the last couple of weeks about how we can get Peter and MJ back.


Shock! Horror! Can it be true?

Lord knows I wouldn't mind if it were true. I remember reading an interview with Q 5 or 6 years ago when comics seemed to be getting away from variant editions and silly mega-epic crossovers and he was a strong advocate of keeping it that way...fast forward to 2008 and marvel is a hair away from its late 90's near-collapse of alternate covers, pointless mega-crossovers and loop-hole writing (BND) that would get a community college student an F in creative writing.

I don't wish the Q any ill-will, but something about him doesn;t sit right with me and each year Marvel seems to be regressing back to its 20 polybagged variant cover editions...

[Tetsuo_man]

I think this is just an attempt to make it look like he's not a plant.

[Shade 20x6]

I don't believe this for one second. It's simply too good to be true.

[philly]

Just reposting no idea if it means anything (personally I doubt it):

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/28/your-daily-skrull/

Plus Marvel_B0y has some scurrilous, shocking gossip, and he’s now back to posting at night when we won’ get caught stealing internet bandwidth.



Here’s the dark little secret that no one outside the office walls is talking about: Joe Q is about two weeks away from getting fired. Not just shown the door but having it slammed so hard it knocks him on his ass. He can sing and dance about how much of a success OMD was as much as he wants but everyone knows he messed up. Both licensing and west coast are pissed and even people in editorial know it was a mistake. There have been at least three meetings in the last couple of weeks about how we can get Peter and MJ back.


Shock! Horror! Can it be true?

No, i doubt Licensing would care, they are in a world of their own and as long as you can put Spidey in anything and make money, they would not care what Joe Q does with the character. Sounds like a April Fools Prank.

[Kid Kyoto]

After reading the myspace site I wonder if maybe the original MB (live space)wasn't real, and caught, but the current (myspace) one isn't a plant or a hoax.

[Volume11]

No, i doubt Licensing would care, they are in a world of their own and as long as you can put Spidey in anything and make money, they would not care what Joe Q does with the character. Sounds like a April Fools Prank.

I would think its much harder to market a single Spidey who had his marriage erased by Marvel's own Satan figure to 8 year olds weened on the Spidey movies.

I think the money made from these changes is based on hype and buzz and not quality stories. When the buzz dies down marvel is left with a iconic character who essentially made a deal with the devil...

[Shade 20x6]

Marvel would lose so much crediblity in my opinion if they reversed everything.

I seriously doubt they would lose any more credibility than they already have. In fact, reversing this would return some credibility to them, IMO, as they could just put all the blame on Q's mandate.

Never have I ever hoped so hard that Spider-Man was a Skrull.

[Brian M.]

I seriously doubt they would lose any more credibility than they already have. In fact, reversing this would return some credibility to them, IMO, as they could just put all the blame on Q's mandate.

Never have I ever hoped so hard that Spider-Man was a Skrull.

It shows they really have no balls. They give in to pathetic, whiny, bitchy fanboys when they stomp their feet and hold their breath.

[Volume11]

It shows they really have no balls. They give in to pathetic, whiny, bitchy fanboys when they stomp their feet and hold their breath.

Writing BND shows Marvel has no balls. If they did Aunt May would be dead, Spidey would still be married and everyone would know his identity.

BND is the epitome of Marvel not having balls because they cheaply erased tons of ballsy moves that would have changed Spidey forever.

[philly]

I would think its much harder to market a single Spidey who had his marriage erased by Marvel's own Satan figure to 8 year olds weened on the Spidey movies.

I think the money made from these changes is based on hype and buzz and not quality stories. When the buzz dies down marvel is left with a iconic character who essentially made a deal with the devil...

True and while i love Joe Q to be fired for what he did to Spider-Man, i doubt this story is true.

[Volume11]

True and while i love Joe Q to be fired for what he did to Spider-Man, i doubt this story is true.

I doubt its true, too.

[DaeJi]

It shows they really have no balls. They give in to pathetic, whiny, bitchy fanboys when they stomp their feet and hold their breath.

Fans control the market. Everything Marvel does is done with one goal in mind: get our money. If the brass at Marvel believe that bringing back the marriage will net them more money than BND, then you bet your ass that they are going to bring back the marriage. Never doubt the power of a consumer. Of course Marvel has no balls, no company does.

As for the rumor, no doubt there are grumblings in the editorial department about BND and the marriage. No doubt there are plans to bring the marriage back, quickly if needed. No doubt Joe Q is on thin ice right now, needing BND to succeed or his job is in serious question. However, other than some blogger's words there is no reason to believe that Joe Q is in danger of losing his job. He makes money for Marvel. So far BND has done well, not great but it has good numbers for a Spider-Man book. True, I expect them to sink sooner or later, but for now Joe Q is in a safe place.

[Matt Linton]

I would think its much harder to market a single Spidey who had his marriage erased by Marvel's own Satan figure to 8 year olds weened on the Spidey movies.

Considering it's never the married version of the character that's marketed, I don't think it's really an issue, anymore than worrying about marketing a Spidey who hit his wife or made a deal with one of his worst enemies.

[Matt Linton]

Writing BND shows Marvel has no balls. If they did Aunt May would be dead, Spidey would still be married and everyone would know his identity.

BND is the epitome of Marvel not having balls because they cheaply erased tons of ballsy moves that would have changed Spidey forever.

Generally speaking, neither Marvel or DC are in the business of changing their iconic characters forever. Like the cliche goes, you don't mess with success.

[Volume11]

Generally speaking, neither Marvel or DC are in the business of changing their iconic characters forever. Like the cliche goes, you don't mess with success.

Which is why I tend to stay away from mainstream comics on long-term basis'....I follow writers and artists I like more than characters because of that very reason. Its almost as is most Marvel and DC comics are pointless in the big scheme of things because nothing truly changes and when it does its few and far between.

[Mister Mets]

Fans control the market. Everything Marvel does is done with one goal in mind: get our money. If the brass at Marvel believe that bringing back the marriage will net them more money than BND, then you bet your ass that they are going to bring back the marriage. Never doubt the power of a consumer. Of course Marvel has no balls, no company does.

As for the rumor, no doubt there are grumblings in the editorial department about BND and the marriage. No doubt there are plans to bring the marriage back, quickly if needed. No doubt Joe Q is on thin ice right now, needing BND to succeed or his job is in serious question. However, other than some blogger's words there is no reason to believe that Joe Q is in danger of losing his job. He makes money for Marvel. So far BND has done well, not great but it has good numbers for a Spider-Man book. True, I expect them to sink sooner or later, but for now Joe Q is in a safe place.Given recent sales figures (and DC's difficulty in getting any book into the top ten), Quesada's job is fairly secure, especially as those sales figures predate Secret Invasion.

The people at Marvel are probably a hundred times more concerned about the possibility that the Iron Man and/ or Hulk movies don't make as much money as expected.


Writing BND shows Marvel has no balls. If they did Aunt May would be dead, Spidey would still be married and everyone would know his identity.

BND is the epitome of Marvel not having balls because they cheaply erased tons of ballsy moves that would have changed Spidey forever.I never understood this. How is making a decision guaranteed to be controversial seen as laziness, or a lack of balls?

[Matt Linton]

Which is why I tend to stay away from mainstream comics on long-term basis'....I follow writers and artists I like more than characters because of that very reason. Its almost as is most Marvel and DC comics are pointless in the big scheme of things because nothing truly changes and when it does its few and far between.

I don't disagree. Most of what I read is based on following writers, whether they're doing mainstream or indie work. With the mainstream stuff, I don't expect Spider-Man to be Y, the Last Man, so I adjust my expectations accordingly.

[Mister Mets]

I would think its much harder to market a single Spidey who had his marriage erased by Marvel's own Satan figure to 8 year olds weened on the Spidey movies.

I think the money made from these changes is based on hype and buzz and not quality stories. When the buzz dies down marvel is left with a iconic character who essentially made a deal with the devil...It would be really easy to market that. Don't mention One More Day.


Generally speaking, neither Marvel or DC are in the business of changing their iconic characters forever. Like the cliche goes, you don't mess with success.But what if success gets boring? :rolleyes:

[Volume11]

Given recent sales figures (and DC's difficulty in getting any book into the top ten), Quesada's job is fairly secure, especially as those sales figures predate Secret Invasion.

The people at Marvel are probably a hundred times more concerned about the possibility that the Iron Man and/ or Hulk movies don't make as much money as expected.

I never understood this. How is making a decision guaranteed to be controversial seen as laziness, or a lack of balls?

It would be really easy to market that. Don't mention One More Day.

Im not sure I understand your first point directed at me (do you agree or disagree?). In my mind, I see erasing character changing events with a cop-out deal as lazy. Its not creative and it shows a lack of balls because they went right back to square one and did so in a weak way.

And anyways, Im originally from Queens, NY and Im a die hard Mets fan so, I dunno, doesn't that make us internet bruthas or something?

[Volume11]

I don't disagree. Most of what I read is based on following writers, whether they're doing mainstream or indie work. With the mainstream stuff, I don't expect Spider-Man to be Y, the Last Man, so I adjust my expectations accordingly.

Totally agree.

I just think in Spidey's case we were promised permanent change and huge long-lasting events and they pulled the same ole' crap they have been pulling since I started reading Spidey comics as a wee lad.

[gorthon616]

It shows they really have no balls. They give in to pathetic, whiny, bitchy fanboys when they stomp their feet and hold their breath.

And yet, I suppose whenever they do things you like they are giant balled wonders?

[Rolltideguy77]

Well count me among the feel stomping, breath holding fanboys. Seeing JQ removed would give me great pleasure. Call me a horrible person or what have you but he has it coming IMO. If you had to work with a boss who wanted everything his way all the time instead of listening to the majority of fans, shareholders, colleagues and seasoned professionals you would HATE the guy. Why anyone gives him a free pass I will never understand. I'd show his ass the door and if he gives any lip about it just tell him "It's magic, we don't have to explain it!".

[Volume11]

Well count me among the feel stomping, breath holding fanboys. Seeing JQ removed would give me great pleasure. Call me a horrible person or what have you but he has it coming IMO. If you had to work with a boss who wanted everything his way all the time instead of listening to the majority of fans, shareholders, colleagues and seasoned professionals you would HATE the guy. Why anyone gives him a free pass I will never understand. I'd show his ass the door and if he gives any lip about it just tell him "It's magic, we don't have to explain it!".

+1. He just sounds like he thinks he is a God.

[philly]

+1. He just sounds like he thinks he is a God.

Even for the slightest chance that this is all true, i don't think he will be fired over Spider-Man, i think it would be for something more than that.

[Rolltideguy77]

+1. He just sounds like he thinks he is a God.

And that's pretty much my problem with him. His arrogance. This attitude of I can and have done no wrong. Even if BND is a massive flop, he would never say "Hey. you know what, I messed up.". I will say I have liked some directions Marvel has gone under him and I praise him for that. But it's more the attitude and not listening to fans than anything. Despite what some may think the people that know Spidey best aren't Stan Lee, John Romita, Joe Q, Dan Slott, DeFalco or any other individual that has worked at Marvel, it's the fans. The fans that have been there with Peter Parker on his journey. The fans who scraped their allowance to buy the issues. The fans who scrape their paychecks every month for Spiderman. The fans who grew up with Spidey. That's who knows him best and writers, artists, pencillers and editors need to learn that. Ok, I 'm off the soapbox, who is stepping up?

[Volume11]

And that's pretty much my problem with him. His arrogance. This attitude of I can and have done no wrong. Even if BND is a massive flop, he would never say "Hey. you know what, I messed up.". I will say I have liked some directions Marvel has gone under him and I praise him for that. But it's more the attitude and not listening to fans than anything. Despite what some may think the people that know Spidey best aren't Stan Lee, John Romita or Dan Slott, it's the fans. The fans that have been there with Peter Parker on his journey. The fans who scraped their allowance to buy the issues. The fans who scrape their paychecks every month for Spiderman. The fans who grew up with Spidey. That's who knows him best and writers, artists, pencillers and editors need to learn that. Ok, I 'm off the soapbox, who is stepping up?

I think you summed it up nicely. I lived a few years in B'ham and I remember a certain comic shop owner not having very nice things to say about Q, either.

[ZT4]

But what if success gets boring? :rolleyes:

So you finally admit BND is boring?:rolleyes:

[It Is Inevitable]

So you finally admit BND is boring?:rolleyes:

So you admit that OMD is the cause of a success? :D

[TomServo]

Though I disagree with much of it, I think Joe Q did what he truly thought was right for Spider-Man. I don't think he was strictly trying to force his personal preferences upon fans, rather I believe he did what he thought was best for business in the long run. To quote Michael Corleone, "it's not personal, it's strictly business".

That being said, it appears that he has a tendency to be arrogant and condescending, which are very bad traits for a person in a position of authority to have. I don't know the man, so he may not even be as arrogant as he has come across to me. Perhaps he's just being defensive, which itself isn't a good quality, but would be understandable given the amount of defending that he's had to do lately.

I wish him no ill will, but if at some point it is determined that he has done damage to Marvels' largest franchise, then he would most likely have to go. But again, it's not personal. It's strictly business.

[ZT4]

So you admit that OMD is the cause of a success? :D

I admit noone has bigger balls than moir. Insecurity is not an option!;)

[Matt Linton]

Well count me among the feel stomping, breath holding fanboys. Seeing JQ removed would give me great pleasure. Call me a horrible person or what have you but he has it coming IMO. If you had to work with a boss who wanted everything his way all the time instead of listening to the majority of fans, shareholders, colleagues and seasoned professionals you would HATE the guy. Why anyone gives him a free pass I will never understand. I'd show his ass the door and if he gives any lip about it just tell him "It's magic, we don't have to explain it!".

Do you have any evidence that he doesn't listen to the majority of fans, shareholders, colleagues, and seasoned professionals? And if he's as tyrannical a boss as you seem to think he is, why have so many writers and artists signed long-term exclusives with Marvel, when they, presumably, could just as easily sign them at DC (not to mention the folks that Marvel lures away from or back to Marvel, like Mike McKone, Terry Dodson, etc).

You also must have missed the part where Quesada wanted Gwen Stacy to come back, but he was talked out of it by those colleagues and seasoned professionals that you seem to think he doesn't listen to.

[ShaggyB]

haha, note that in his blog he also says this.....

"There’s a reason I haven’t been caught - not everything I’ve said is exactly true."

then he drops the Joe Q. to be fired news. lol chalk this one up to believe it when you see it. Joe took marvel from 2nd behind DC to 1st. Dobut youll see him go over changes to spidey..... Likely youd see spidey change back and him either publically or secretly admit he was wrong for changing him.

Gossip = fun, wonder what marvel boy will say next.

The real story is Mr. Anonymous, hes posting scripts and spoilers about whom is a skrull and isnt every day.

[ZT4]

Anonoymous has had some notciable tiffs with Dan Slott lately...you dont suppose Marvel B0y is Dan himself taking the piss out of Anoymonous spoiler-blogs?

[Chiasm]

It would be very very easy to reverse this whole thing and do so credibly without making huge plot jumps because all the keys are there.

First off, tie it to Secret Invasion and make Aunt May a Skrull. I think this makes perfect plot sense anyway. At the time she was replaced Spidey and MJ and May were living in Stark / Avengers Tower. It would be a perfectly logical place for the Skrulls to want to plant a spy. And May was dating Jarvis which gives her even better access to Stark / Avengers stuff.

Then comes the sniper who actually shot Skrull Aunt May. The Skrull was comatose but still maintaining May's form as long as it was alive. Then comes Mephisto who being a devil is a trickster and finds it hilarious that he is going to offer to save an imposters life for the marriage. Mephisto is still laughing about it in fact.

As to current Skrull May. Perhaps Mephisto's spell scrambled its head a bit so it really thinks it is May. Or its just staying put so as not to tip off the heroes.

As to how this mess gets revealed. Skrull May gets revealed. Eventually real Aunt May gets found. And real Aunt May, because she was hidden with the others whereever, remembers everything. She remembers that Peter and MJ were married. She remembers that Peter is Spiderman. And this causes Peter and MJ to suddenly remember. There are other ways to do it but this just one way I thought of quickly off the top of my head that would be plausible.

[Matt Linton]

Despite what some may think the people that know Spidey best aren't Stan Lee, John Romita, Joe Q, Dan Slott, DeFalco or any other individual that has worked at Marvel, it's the fans. The fans that have been there with Peter Parker on his journey. The fans who scraped their allowance to buy the issues. The fans who scrape their paychecks every month for Spiderman. The fans who grew up with Spidey. That's who knows him best and writers, artists, pencillers and editors need to learn that. Ok, I 'm off the soapbox, who is stepping up?

I couldn't disagree with you more. "Fans", which is really a huge group of people who rarely agree on anything, buy Ultimates vol. 3 or All-Star Batman and Robin by the truckload. Yet, look around online and you'll have a hard time finding many folks who enjoy either of those books. So which fans should Marvel and DC listen to, in that case?

Also, nearly everyone on this board is a fan of Peter Parker who has been there with him on his journey, scraped their allowance or paycheck every month for Spider-man, and who grew up with Spider-Man. And it's clear from reading the board that we don't come close to agreeing on what's best for Spider-Man or who Spider-Man is or should be.

[It Is Inevitable]

I admit noone has bigger balls than moir. Insecurity is not an option!;)

So your admitting that your balls lack in comparison compared to mines? ;) :D :p

jokez

[Rolltideguy77]

Do you have any evidence that he doesn't listen to the majority of fans, shareholders, colleagues, and seasoned professionals? And if he's as tyrannical a boss as you seem to think he is, why have so many writers and artists signed long-term exclusives with Marvel, when they, presumably, could just as easily sign them at DC (not to mention the folks that Marvel lures away from or back to Marvel, like Mike McKone, Terry Dodson, etc).

You also must have missed the part where Quesada wanted Gwen Stacy to come back, but he was talked out of it by those colleagues and seasoned professionals that you seem to think he doesn't listen to.

Um yeah, the whole "It's magic" line was the fanboy slap heard round the world. JMS said himself he wanted nothing to do with it. Artists and writers have to eat just like everyone else. Long term "exclusive" contracts mean nothing. Exclusivity can be broken at a moments notice and if the pay is right and a guy needs work he'd sign JQ's fat ass if need be. Marvel compared to DC is apples to oranges. I am not blaming anyone but JQ. I am not saying Marvel is entirely horrible. I mean JQ probably isn't there everyday, someone has to keep the burrito stand in business.

[ShaggyB]

Anonoymous has had some notciable tiffs with Dan Slott lately...you dont suppose Marvel B0y is Dan himself taking the piss out of Anoymonous spoiler-blogs?

I have my theories on the whole thing, i kinda think anonymous is for real and marvelb0y got busted and replaced, but thats just me

[Matt Linton]

Um yeah, the whole "It's magic" line was the fanboy slap heard round the world. JMS said himself he wanted nothing to do with it.

There are hundreds of examples in the history of comics of "it's magic". This was just a time when folks had a problem with it. Superboy-Punch was "it's psuedo-science, we don't have to explain it". Quesada stating a reality of comics storytelling isn't a slap to anyone.


Artists and writers have to eat just like everyone else. Long term "exclusive" contracts mean nothing. Exclusivity can be broken at a moments notice and if the pay is right and a guy needs work he'd sign JQ's fat ass if need be.

Name two examples of times when exclusive contracts have been broken. And the folks who are offered exclusives from one company aren't the folks who take a job because they have to eat. Exclusives are offered to artists and writers who are in demand. They sign because there are some nice benefits that you don't get when you're strictly freelance, but I'd be willing to bet that any writer or artist that Marvel offers an exclusive to, DC would be happy to offer one to, as well (and vice-versa).


Marvel compared to DC is apples to oranges. I am not blaming anyone but JQ. I am not saying Marvel is entirely horrible. I mean JQ probably isn't there everyday, someone has to keep the burrito stand in business.

Marvel and DC aren't apples and oranges, they're apples and apples. The two biggest mainstream publishers of superhero comics, often hiring the same talent to produce their books.

[Mister Mets]

Anonoymous has had some notciable tiffs with Dan Slott lately...you dont suppose Marvel B0y is Dan himself taking the piss out of Anoymonous spoiler-blogs?I'm starting that both may be April Fools jokes. Possibly by Mark Millar.


And that's pretty much my problem with him. His arrogance. This attitude of I can and have done no wrong. Even if BND is a massive flop, he would never say "Hey. you know what, I messed up.". I will say I have liked some directions Marvel has gone under him and I praise him for that. But it's more the attitude and not listening to fans than anything. Despite what some may think the people that know Spidey best aren't Stan Lee, John Romita, Joe Q, Dan Slott, DeFalco or any other individual that has worked at Marvel, it's the fans. The fans that have been there with Peter Parker on his journey. The fans who scraped their allowance to buy the issues. The fans who scrape their paychecks every month for Spiderman. The fans who grew up with Spidey. That's who knows him best and writers, artists, pencillers and editors need to learn that. Ok, I 'm off the soapbox, who is stepping up?How dare he act like he's Editor in Chief of Marvel?


So you finally admit BND is boring?:rolleyes:Nope. I didn't suggest it's happened yet.

[Mister Mets]

Im not sure I understand your first point directed at me (do you agree or disagree?). In my mind, I see erasing character changing events with a cop-out deal as lazy. Its not creative and it shows a lack of balls because they went right back to square one and did so in a weak way.

And anyways, Im originally from Queens, NY and Im a die hard Mets fan so, I dunno, doesn't that make us internet bruthas or something?My real name is Thomas Mets. That has nothing to do with the baseball team. :D

My position is that taking a controversial stance can't be seen as a sign of a lack of balls. Likewise, doing something that requires much more work, planning, etc (and a retcon requires more work than stopgap measures) isn't really a sign of laziness. There's other criticisms you could use, but neither seems applicable here.

You didn't bring up laziness, but it was something that others have said in reference to OMD.


Um yeah, the whole "It's magic" line was the fanboy slap heard round the world. JMS said himself he wanted nothing to do with it.Quesada talked JMS out of taking his name off the comic. Plus, "it's magic" was not something that anyone had said to fans. That was part of an internal discussion, and it's never been confirmed that Quesada used that excuse.


Artists and writers have to eat just like everyone else. Long term "exclusive" contracts mean nothing. Exclusivity can be broken at a moments notice and if the pay is right and a guy needs work he'd sign JQ's fat ass if need be. Marvel compared to DC is apples to oranges. I am not blaming anyone but JQ. I am not saying Marvel is entirely horrible. I mean JQ probably isn't there everyday, someone has to keep the burrito stand in business.Marvel compared to DC is like Pepsi and Coke. They're rival companies going after the same market share.

[Rolltideguy77]

There are hundreds of examples in the history of comics of "it's magic". This was just a time when folks had a problem with it. Superboy-Punch was "it's psuedo-science, we don't have to explain it". Quesada stating a reality of comics storytelling isn't a slap to anyone.



Name two examples of times when exclusive contracts have been broken. And the folks who are offered exclusives from one company aren't the folks who take a job because they have to eat. Exclusives are offered to artists and writers who are in demand. They sign because there are some nice benefits that you don't get when you're strictly freelance, but I'd be willing to bet that any writer or artist that Marvel offers an exclusive to, DC would be happy to offer one to, as well (and vice-versa).


I do believe thousands of fans would disagree with you on that it wasn't a slap to anyone. It was a slap to this fanboy.

I never said they were broken I am just saying they can be. The word "exclusive" really has no meaning anymore. I am pretty sure youre smart enough to know that.

Marvel and DC aren't apples and oranges, they're apples and apples. The two biggest mainstream publishers of superhero comics, often hiring the same talent to produce their books.[/QUOTE]

You are right, I meant to say apples to apples. But writers/artists jump all the time no one company is better than the other. People go where they are offered a job.

[Volume11]

There are hundreds of examples in the history of comics of "it's magic". This was just a time when folks had a problem with it. Superboy-Punch was "it's psuedo-science, we don't have to explain it". Quesada stating a reality of comics storytelling isn't a slap to anyone.



Name two examples of times when exclusive contracts have been broken. And the folks who are offered exclusives from one company aren't the folks who take a job because they have to eat. Exclusives are offered to artists and writers who are in demand. They sign because there are some nice benefits that you don't get when you're strictly freelance, but I'd be willing to bet that any writer or artist that Marvel offers an exclusive to, DC would be happy to offer one to, as well (and vice-versa).



Marvel and DC aren't apples and oranges, they're apples and apples. The two biggest mainstream publishers of superhero comics, often hiring the same talent to produce their books.

Id say that both companies put out the same drivel, but after reading numerous interviews with industry people over the years its quite obvious both are ran differently, hence the back and forth with artists and long-term exclusivity deals.

And ANYONE in their right mind would take an exclusivity deal that is long-term because it guarantees a paycheck and a steady job vs. jumping around from book to book and company to company with contracts for each to boot.

Im not a fan of the Q, but if I were offered a long-term exclusive contract I would take it as long as the price and terms are right...

[Lairston]

How dare he act like he's Editor in Chief of Marvel?

Yeah! Because he should be acting like the ant that I'm going to crush with my foot. :D

[ShaggyB]

I do believe thousands of fans would disagree with you on that it wasn't a slap to anyone. It was a slap to this fanboy.

I never said they were broken I am just saying they can be. The word "exclusive" really has no meaning anymore. I am pretty sure youre smart enough to know that.

Marvel and DC aren't apples and oranges, they're apples and apples. The two biggest mainstream publishers of superhero comics, often hiring the same talent to produce their books.

You are right, I meant to say apples to apples. But writers/artists jump all the time no one company is better than the other. People go where they are offered a job.

You realize the its magic quote isnt a direct quote of what was said right? You can argue its what he meant but he never said that. Likely he will have to explain it all to get total acceptance anyway. Regardless it doesnt slap my face and i was fine with spidey the way he was, i like him in bnd too, i just hate the bridge that got me here.

[Rolltideguy77]

Yeah! Because he should be acting like the ant that I'm going to crush with my foot. :D

This reminds me of the guy on The Kids in the Hall who used to crush heads with his fingers haha

[Rolltideguy77]

You are right, I meant to say apples to apples. But writers/artists jump all the time no one company is better than the other. People go where they are offered a job.

You ralize the its magic quote isnt a direct quote of what was said right? You can argue its what he meant but he never said that. Likely he will have to explain it all to get total acceptance anyway. Regardless it doesnt slap my face and i was fine with spidey the way he was, i like him in bnd too, i just hate the bridge that got me here.[/QUOTE]

He's guilty until proven innocent, that's how our judgement system works!

[ShaggyB]

Id say that both companies put out the same drivel, but after reading numerous interviews with industry people over the years its quite obvious both are ran differently, hence the back and forth with artists and long-term exclusivity deals.

And ANYONE in their right mind would take an exclusivity deal that is long-term because it guarantees a paycheck and a steady job vs. jumping around from book to book and company to company with contracts for each to boot.

Im not a fan of the Q, but if I were offered a long-term exclusive contract I would take it as long as the price and terms are right...

well said. In this economy and time, a guaranteed check is better than a limited guarantee on getting a check. No one lieks to guess if they will have a job next week or not.

[ShaggyB]

He's guilty until proven innocent, that's how our judgement system works!

umm, no its not. Its Innocent until proven guilty. Can you prove he said it? Can you prove he has no intentions to explain it all in time? Can you prove he hates the fan base?

If not you are expressing your own personal distaste for what has happened as some kind of fact. Your opinions, no matter how valid they are, are not fact unless you can prove them to be so. Can you?

[Volume11]

My real name is Thomas Mets. That has nothing to do with the baseball team. :D

My position is that taking a controversial stance can't be seen as a sign of a lack of balls. Likewise, doing something that requires much more work, planning, etc (and a retcon requires more work than stopgap measures) isn't really a sign of laziness. There's other criticisms you could use, but neither seems applicable here.

You didn't bring up laziness, but it was something that others have said in reference to OMD.

Quesada talked JMS out of taking his name off the comic. Plus, "it's magic" was not something that anyone had said to fans. That was part of an internal discussion, and it's never been confirmed that Quesada used that excuse.

Marvel compared to DC is like Pepsi and Coke. They're rival companies going after the same market share.


That must be tough living in Queens with that name. ;)

And I think your point is valid if you take the current happenings out of context. If you put them back in context and run with Civil War and Back in Black then Spidey simply making a deal with the devil to erase everything that just happened is not only uncreative, but lazy...

...it doesn't take much writing prowess to write your way out of huge character changing events when you cop out to a Mephisto deal...thats loop hole "I dont have a proper way to write myself out of this situation unless I stick to the changes made in the first place" writing.

Its controversial by default, not because its quality writing.

[Rolltideguy77]

umm, no its not. Its Innocent until proven guilty. Can you prove he said it? Can you prove he has no intentions to explain it all in time? Can you prove he hates the fan base?

If not you are expressing your own personal distaste for what has happened as some kind of fact. Your opinions, no matter how valid they are, are not fact unless you can prove them to be so. Can you?

I was joking with that. I never stated he hates the fan base. Can you prove he does have intentions to explain it all in time? This entire forum as a whole is made up of opinions. That's why we are here, to hear others opinions and outlooks, I never said my opinion was fact.

[ShaggyB]

I was joking with that. Can you prove he didn't say it? I never stated he hates the fan base. Can you prove he does have intentions to explain it all in time? This entire forum as a whole is made up of opinions. That's why we are here, to hear others opinions and outlooks.

actually we have proven that the words its magic we dont have to explain it, were said of him by JMS, apparently in frustration with the whole OMD story. Its been in several threads now.

As to you personally saying that....


I do believe thousands of fans would disagree with you on that it wasn't a slap to anyone. It was a slap to this fanboy.

To me a person who directly slaps you in the face hates you. Perhaps thats just me but....

Also I dont really need to prove he has the intention to explain it all when i can point out that either way no one really knows what he intends to do but him.

Yes you can cast your opinion but again, its just yours and its not shared by all. Just sounds like you are more stating your opinion as fact to me, if not my apologies, im reading you wrong.

Likewise we have drifted very far from the original topic.

[Rolltideguy77]

I was not speaking of a physical slap and i think you and most people with intelligence would understand that. :rolleyes:
I would never make as though my opinion were fact. I teach school I bitch to my students all day "YOUR OPINION IS NOT A FACT!". My opinion is but my own I like my opinions. :D
We agree on one thing though, we have drifted, let us move back to the original topic.

[Tobias Drake]

Whether true or false, whether or not Marvel wants to undo Quesada's damage, I pray to Thor that they follow through with what we have now and DON'T do anything drastic. A retcon to undo a retcon is only further perpetuating the problem.

[ShaggyB]

I was not speaking of a physical slap and i think you and most people with intelligence would understand that. :rolleyes:
I would never make as though my opinion were fact. I teach school I bitch to my students all day "YOUR OPINION IS NOT A FACT!". My opinion is but my own I like my opinions. :D
We agree on one thing though, we have drifted, let us move back to the original topic.

agreed and roll eyes not need no one thinks you really were slapped by JQ. Though wouldnt that be a story lol.

[ShaggyB]

Whether true or false, whether or not Marvel wants to undo Quesada's damage, I pray to Thor that they follow through with what we have now and DON'T do anything drastic. A retcon to undo a retcon is only further perpetuating the problem.

for example see DC COIE and ZERO HOUR.

[Volume11]

for example see DC COIE and ZERO HOUR.

I think you'd have to be crazy to think Marvel won't undo the Mephisto deal... even if fanboys weren't outraged by the decision it will likely revert back anyway with an equally unimpressive loop hole poor writing choice...

[Tobias Drake]

for example see DC COIE and ZERO HOUR.

Or Marvel's own solution to the Clone Saga mess by raising Norman Osborn from the dead.

[ZT4]

So your admitting that your balls lack in comparison compared to mines? ;) :D :p

jokez

I cans has balls-breaker?

[Lairston]

So like... If Cup of Joe is weekly and its supposed to be posted at 1pm... where the heck is today's cup of joe? I suppose they're trying to make this marketing scheme seem genuine by going with the Where's Joe?

Me I was far more interested in the "Is Hobgoblin ever going to reappear in the 616 universe?" question.

Even if he did avoid answering like he always does.

[NickThompson]

Why would licencing and west coast be pissed at him when none of them use a married Spidey?

[Rolltideguy77]

I enjoyed COIE and Zero Hour I just hate the way they were handled afterward.

[The Man Without Fear]

I only skimmed through the first four pages, so I'm sure this has already been said in so many words, but I'm waiting until after April 1st before I take anything "Marvel_B0y" says seriously. The only thing that lends credibility to him at this point is the unabashed way he slams the publisher, but maybe Marvel's willing to go farther than I think for a viral marketing campaign.

Plus, some of the stuff he says just doesn't sound legit to me. BND and OMD have been controversial, but they've also seemed to bring in readers. And as someone pointed out, the marriage has never been central to Spidey's marketing. When all is said and done, controversy aside, money is all that the stock holders really care about. So I don't see Quesada getting the boot over any of this, and believe me, I've got my own issues with Joey.

That, and I don't think Brubaker would make Milla the "new" Typhoid Mary, as Marvel_B0y suggests he wants to. Just doesn't sound like Bru to me. But we'll see.

[Matt Linton]

While everything Marvel_B0y says could be BS, could we try not to throw in off-topic spoilers, just in case he's right?

[CyberHubbs]

Marvel dominates the Top 10. Joe Q shouldn't be worried at all.

And I'm sure he isn't.

[Evan Lanctot]

It must be Joey Q that is the Skrull.

Evan

[Endless Flight]

Joe Q. could be fired for reasons that have nothing to do with the Top 10, however unlikely that may be.

[Volume11]

Joe Q. could be fired for reasons that have nothing to do with the Top 10, however unlikely that may be.

True. Its possible to make the bottom line and still be fired. While not often, sometimes bad attitudes outweigh how much profit you bring in.

[CyberHubbs]

Joe Q. could be fired for reasons that have nothing to do with the Top 10, however unlikely that may be.

Oh, sure. It is possible. But as you said, its unlikely. He's been at the helm of several events that got Marvel in the papers, from Civil War to BND and Cap's death. His bosses must eat it all up.

[ShaggyB]

yeah but i highly doubt Joe Q. gets canned based on One More Day mandates. It sold very well.

[philly]

Oh, sure. It is possible. But as you said, its unlikely. He's been at the helm of several events that got Marvel in the papers, from Civil War to BND and Cap's death. His bosses must eat it all up.

His bosses really don't care, its not Joe Q who is bring in the beacon, its the licensing department that makes most of the money for Marvel. Joe Q can be fired at anytime, he's not that important to the company.

Despite that however, i don't believe the rumor.

[The Man Without Fear]

While everything Marvel_B0y says could be BS, could we try not to throw in off-topic spoilers, just in case he's right?
Sorry, Matt. I added spoiler tags, just in case. But supposedly, the plans are just a pitch that Marvel is fighting him on.

[Matt Linton]

Sorry, Matt. I added spoiler tags, just in case. But supposedly, the plans are just a pitch that Marvel is fighting him on.

Thanks. Not a big deal, but I wanted to say something before there was a flood of spoilers.

[Dr. Chaos]

Here’s the dark little secret that no one outside the office walls is talking about: Joe Q is about two weeks away from getting fired. Not just shown the door but having it slammed so hard it knocks him on his ass. He can sing and dance about how much of a success OMD was as much as he wants but everyone knows he messed up. Both licensing and west coast are pissed and even people in editorial know it was a mistake. There have been at least three meetings in the last couple of weeks about how we can get Peter and MJ back.
Hilarious, even moreso if MB is a plant (as I believe he is).

Marvel: "Joe, we're making more money than we can count, our movies are skyrocketing and we've been kicking DC's ass to hell and back under your tenure on the sales charts...You're fired."

[Lairston]

Hilarious, even moreso if MB is a plant (as I believe he is).

Marvel: "Joe, we're making more money than we can count, our movies are skyrocketing and we've been kicking DC's ass to hell and back under your tenure on the sales charts...You're fired."
Don't you see? They want to give DC a chance.

[Endless Flight]

Maybe he was caught in the janitor's closet with one of the interns. :D

[Red Lotus]

I never understood this. How is making a decision guaranteed to be controversial seen as laziness, or a lack of balls?

The main reason why it was lazy was how it was done. Using the magic button is such a lazy move. The hit the button and said well its magic so we dont have to explain anything. They took the cheapest way out to reset Spider-man, why because the other ways would have been way to much work.

[Jake V]

Anonoymous has had some notciable tiffs with Dan Slott lately...you dont suppose Marvel B0y is Dan himself taking the piss out of Anoymonous spoiler-blogs?

No, Kevin Huxford has had the tiffs with Slott.

Anonymous has simply been supplying him with spoilers.

[Lairston]

The main reason why it was lazy was how it was done. Using the magic button is such a lazy move. The hit the button and said well its magic so we dont have to explain anything. They took the cheapest way out to reset Spider-man, why because the other ways would have been way to much work.

No the other ways are detrimental to the atmosphere of the books

What's the choices Death or Divorce or Separation - Peter mopes for months and makes the books unreadable with talking to billboards and other things like was done after MJ died in the plane only to be brought back because the fans couldn't handle her being dead. Even I was ready for MJ to come back after Jenkins was done having him mope to a billboard. And I've disliked the marriage since the day I read the I dos.

So
Death was tried
Separation was tried
The only one left was divorce and the result would have been the same with the same group of fans crying foul. It was fake/forced/whatever other excuse.

Magic was the only way. Quick break. The writers can't milk it for months.

[BlackToe]

No the other ways are detrimental to the atmosphere of the books

What's the choices Death or Divorce or Separation - Peter mopes for months and makes the books unreadable with talking to billboards and other things like was done after MJ died in the plane only to be brought back because the fans couldn't handle her being dead. Even I was ready for MJ to come back after Jenkins was done having him mope to a billboard. And I've disliked the marriage since the day I read the I dos.

So
Death was tried
Separation was tried
The only one left was divorce and the result would have been the same with the same group of fans crying foul. It was fake/forced/whatever other excuse.

Magic was the only way. Quick break. The writers can't milk it for months.

I agree.

Look at the reaction the separation they had back then.

[Red Lotus]

No the other ways are detrimental to the atmosphere of the books

What's the choices Death or Divorce or Separation - Peter mopes for months and makes the books unreadable with talking to billboards and other things like was done after MJ died in the plane only to be brought back because the fans couldn't handle her being dead. Even I was ready for MJ to come back after Jenkins was done having him mope to a billboard. And I've disliked the marriage since the day I read the I dos.

So
Death was tried
Separation was tried
The only one left was divorce and the result would have been the same with the same group of fans crying foul. It was fake/forced/whatever other excuse.

Magic was the only way. Quick break. The writers can't milk it for months.


So telling everyone that 20 years of stories didn't happen isn't? This wasn't just magic and Spider-man isn't married. This was magic hey Harry is alive. But if Harry is alive what does that mean. Well its magic so it doesn't matter. Its magic so no one knows Spider-man is Peter Parker. Did anyone ever know. But its Magic so it doesn't matter.

They could have found a better way to get to BND. But they wanted some thing cheap and easy and that would give them a blank slate and that's why OMD was lazy.

[Jake V]

So telling everyone that 20 years of stories didn't happen isn't? This wasn't just magic and Spider-man isn't married. This was magic hey Harry is alive. But if Harry is alive what does that mean. Well its magic so it doesn't matter. Its magic so no one knows Spider-man is Peter Parker. Did anyone ever know. But its Magic so it doesn't matter.

Hey, you're catching on!

[nacho_bidness]

Hey, you're catching on!

That's his point, it does matter. Are we supposed to now believe that the New Avengers lived with Peter, MJ, and May, and yet none of them remember them? That's what JQ is telling us. What utter BS.

Even if their memories are Mephisto-fuzzy and they can't remember Spidey's identity, isn't it odd that several of them, especially paranoid Tony and recently-regained-memory Logan haven't thought to themselves, "I know that I used to live with Spidey, his wife, and his aunt, but I can't remember what they look like or their names. Wait a minute.... maybe that chick Zatanna has been f$^#$% mind-wiping people again!"

Poor Jarvis think he's senile because he can't remember the identity of his girlfriend...

Why wouldn't these heroes be bothered by the fact that they can't remember who spidey is. JQ keeps telling us that everyone remembers Spidey unmasking during CW, they just can't recall who he is, and this doesn't concern anyone? Ugh. :rolleyes:

[IronKing]

Too good to be true.

I don't think they'd lose credibility. They'd just blame it all on Joe Q.

[Lairston]

So telling everyone that 20 years of stories didn't happen isn't? This wasn't just magic and Spider-man isn't married. This was magic hey Harry is alive. But if Harry is alive what does that mean. Well its magic so it doesn't matter. Its magic so no one knows Spider-man is Peter Parker. Did anyone ever know. But its Magic so it doesn't matter.

They could have found a better way to get to BND. But they wanted some thing cheap and easy and that would give them a blank slate and that's why OMD was lazy.


That's his point, it does matter. Are we supposed to now believe that the New Avengers lived with Peter, MJ, and May, and yet none of them remember them? That's what JQ is telling us. What utter BS.

Even if their memories are Mephisto-fuzzy and they can't remember Spidey's identity, isn't it odd that several of them, especially paranoid Tony and recently-regained-memory Logan haven't thought to themselves, "I know that I used to live with Spidey, his wife, and his aunt, but I can't remember what they look like or their names. Wait a minute.... maybe that chick Zatanna has been f$^#$% mind-wiping people again!"

Poor Jarvis think he's senile because he can't remember the identity of his girlfriend...

Why wouldn't these heroes be bothered by the fact that they can't remember who spidey is. JQ keeps telling us that everyone remembers Spidey unmasking during CW, they just can't recall who he is, and this doesn't concern anyone? Ugh. :rolleyes:

I've already seen this rerun.

Click

[Mister Mets]

I've already seen this rerun.

ClickDamn Writers Strike aftereffects.


Hilarious, even moreso if MB is a plant (as I believe he is).

Marvel: "Joe, we're making more money than we can count, our movies are skyrocketing and we've been kicking DC's ass to hell and back under your tenure on the sales charts...You're fired."

If Joe Quesada were fired, how many seconds would it take DC to hire him?

[nacho_bidness]

I've already seen this rerun.

Click

Thanks for your insightful input. :rolleyes:

[Endless Flight]

If Joe Quesada were fired, how many seconds would it take DC to hire him?

I'm sure they'd have him on as a fill-in penciller. :D

[JamesOliva]

If Joe Quesada were fired, how many seconds would it take DC to hire him?

He may have a no-compete clause for X number of months/years after his termination in his contract just in case of something like this. It's was pretty common in pro-wrestling in 1990's.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

If Joe Quesada were fired, how many seconds would it take DC to hire him?


Now this is a HUGE WHAT IF....


If this is true and Marvel's enertainment and license company is pissed off (remember people...they sell Spiderman to books/cartoons/movies/toys/ and make 10x more than what a comic book does...) and they are angry , then Joe is fucked. Because Shooter himself had the same fears if you read the "Comics Urban Legends" about where Mantlo wanted Peter to have a child outta wedlock. And Shooter said he's have to answer to his bosses and how they'd sell a licensed character to children.

Now what could have led to this ? Perhaps one of the adults picked up the comic , was angry enough he contacted the Marvel President and said in a sense "So now your having Spiderman make deals with Satan huh ? Thats something to sell to children."

Enough complaints come in from angry parents and now the big bosses are sweating. The toy sales , the Spidey underroos could take a big hit. Holy Fuck Joe , you just had one of our important characters make a deal with Satan ! We could lose millions if more parents catch on...and learn this.

Joe is now sweating...the comics bump he wanted is slowly easing down. The big bosses are riding his ass hard...because now you've basically told fans that even though you've spent countless years in cartoons and movies touting this huge love story of Peter Parker and Mary-Jane , you've essentially shit on it...your threatening to sell that now in future cartoons and movies...that more money your blowing.

The big bosses come down like they did on Shooter and his years of success. Axel Alonso gets named EIC and pretty much issues a statement "Were gonna fix Spiderman and Mary-Jane."

Marvel doesn't exactly fire Joe though. They send him home....telling him their gonna possibly let him sit til his contract expires since DC would likely swoop in and sign him as an editor on a group of titles. Knowing Quesada's contacts at Marvel they fear he'd lead an exodus of talent so they play it smart.

A year in Quesada goes to DC and takes over the Justice League and Teen Titans books. He brings in Warren Ellis and Mark Miller to overhaul those books. He also gets a hot name artist to jump ...




Thats my WHAT IF if this whole thing is true.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

He may have a no-compete clause for X number of months/years after his termination in his contract just in case of something like this. It's was pretty common in pro-wrestling in 1990's.

Its common now.....Matt Hardy in 2005 when he was fired had a 90 day No Compete. They did that since they felt Hardy would show up on TNA. Days before the clause was set to expire , they at the WWE resigned him.

[Mister Mets]

Now this is a HUGE WHAT IF....


If this is true and Marvel's enertainment and license company is pissed off (remember people...they sell Spiderman to books/cartoons/movies/toys/ and make 10x more than what a comic book does...) and they are angry , then Joe is fucked. Because Shooter himself had the same fears if you read the "Comics Urban Legends" about where Mantlo wanted Peter to have a child outta wedlock. And Shooter said he's have to answer to his bosses and how they'd sell a licensed character to children.

Now what could have led to this ? Perhaps one of the adults picked up the comic , was angry enough he contacted the Marvel President and said in a sense "So now your having Spiderman make deals with Satan huh ? Thats something to sell to children."

Enough complaints come in from angry parents and now the big bosses are sweating. The toy sales , the Spidey underroos could take a big hit. Holy Fuck Joe , you just had one of our important characters make a deal with Satan ! We could lose millions if more parents catch on...and learn this.

Joe is now sweating...the comics bump he wanted is slowly easing down. The big bosses are riding his ass hard...because now you've basically told fans that even though you've spent countless years in cartoons and movies touting this huge love story of Peter Parker and Mary-Jane , you've essentially shit on it...your threatening to sell that now in future cartoons and movies...that more money your blowing.

The big bosses come down like they did on Shooter and his years of success. Axel Alonso gets named EIC and pretty much issues a statement "Were gonna fix Spiderman and Mary-Jane."

Marvel doesn't exactly fire Joe though. They send him home....telling him their gonna possibly let him sit til his contract expires since DC would likely swoop in and sign him as an editor on a group of titles. Knowing Quesada's contacts at Marvel they fear he'd lead an exodus of talent so they play it smart.

A year in Quesada goes to DC and takes over the Justice League and Teen Titans books. He brings in Warren Ellis and Mark Miller to overhaul those books. He also gets a hot name artist to jump ...




Thats my WHAT IF if this whole thing is true.Editor on a group of titles?

I suspect Quesada would be offered either Levitz or Didio's position. Whichever one he prefers.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Editor on a group of titles?

I suspect Quesada would be offered either Levitz or Didio's position. Whichever one he prefers.

Didio is safe til things get completely bad for them in a WCW way. Even with being number #2 for DC their sales and all have been very good since 2004. So I can't see Time Warner wanting to risk the decent success DC has for a shot that could either really help them...or hurt their spot.

Picture when Vince Russo came to WCW. Had Bichoff accepted that WCW should do what they do best , make money...sell PPV's and all...Bischoff got into this huge contest to be #1 and beat WWF. Had he been willing to play close #2 and not wanna win so bad and all.....WCW could take losing...they like DC was making money.

Instead WCW went down even more. Bischoff was pushed out and Russo came in. Yeah he had a lot of success with the WWF....but th end result was Russo didn't help and as some will say...did more damage than what he should have helped.

I mean...when Shooter was let go by Marvel in the late 80's...where did he go ? He didn't go to DC. Because they had someone at the top there. Plus Shooter had pissed off guys in the industry at that point. How many are pissd at Quesada in DC's power structure ?

Paul Levitz has been with DC fo 20+ years. Its unlikely DC would push him out for Quesada. I can't see it happening.

[JamesOliva]

Editor on a group of titles?

I suspect Quesada would be offered either Levitz or Didio's position. Whichever one he prefers.

I don't think he would be given Levitz's job. For that matter, I think that it's been speculated that Levitz doesn't like the way Quesada runs Marvel. "Frathouse" I believe was the term bandied about.

[JamesOliva]

I mean...when Shooter was let go by Marvel in the late 80's...where did he go ? He didn't go to DC. Because they had someone at the top there. Plus Shooter had pissed off guys in the industry at that point. How many are pissd at Quesada in DC's power structure ?

Shooter started Valiant and made a good buck after the venture capital company sold the business to Acclaim. Shooter, along with Levitz, is one of the few writers who were actually incredibly good business men

[Endless Flight]

"Frathouse" I believe was the term bandied about.

Ah, so that's what bothers me about Joe. Glad to finally put a finger on it.

[Matt Linton]

Okay, playing the speculation game...

What if Quesada pulled an Image? Leaves Marvel and forms a new company with folks like Bendis, Millar, Brubaker, Hitch, Cassady, McNiven, etc. Also brings in talent like Ellis and Whedon. Suddenly it's the top writers AND artists forming their own company, rather than just artists who aren't very good writers. I think they'd easily compete with Image, Dark Horse, and IDW for the #3 spot.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Okay, playing the speculation game...

What if Quesada pulled an Image? Leaves Marvel and forms a new company with folks like Bendis, Millar, Brubaker, Hitch, Cassady, McNiven, etc. Also brings in talent like Ellis and Whedon. Suddenly it's the top writers AND artists forming their own company, rather than just artists who aren't very good writers. I think they'd easily compete with Image, Dark Horse, and IDW for the #3 spot.

Takes a hell of a lot of capitol and in this market now (with the eonomy being a factor) I can't see Joe risking it. I do think....if theres a spot at Dark Horse , Image or IDW....he'll go there as EIC and bring some talents there.

[Mister Mets]

Okay, playing the speculation game...

What if Quesada pulled an Image? Leaves Marvel and forms a new company with folks like Bendis, Millar, Brubaker, Hitch, Cassady, McNiven, etc. Also bhttp://forums.comicbookresources.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=6590900&nojs=1#usercptools
Quick Linksrings in talent like Ellis and Whedon. Suddenly it's the top writers AND artists forming their own company, rather than just artists who aren't very good writers. I think they'd easily compete with Image, Dark Horse, and IDW for the #3 spot.He is the one guy who could pull it off. I suspect he'd get a shitload of promotion for the company, and leave Marvel without a lot of significant talent.

Bendis, Brubaker and Millar all have creator-owned projects published by Marvel, so they can build on that.

This is probably Marvel's worst-case scenario.

[nacho_bidness]

This is probably Marvel's worst-case scenario.

Maybe so, but it wouldn't keep them down long. It would hurt for a year or so, but they hold the trump card. They own the properties that will sell a ton of copies no matter who writes and draws it, and they have the resources to find new talent, the next Bendis, Millar, etc, that we've never heard of before. I love Bendis's work as much as anyone, but I don't think he's irreplaceable.

Image's formation hurt Marvel initially/briefly, and it made a ton of money for those artists, but in the big picture, Marvel is still the top-dog 15 years later and Image struggles to hold onto a couple percent of the market. It would be the same in this what-if scenario. JQ's company would do ok for the creators, but they will never own Spider-Man or the X-Men, so it's unlikely they'd ever threaten either of the big two.

If losing JQ and a few creators is Marvel's worst-case, they are sitting pretty :)

[ZT4]

He is the one guy who could pull it off. I suspect he'd get a shitload of promotion for the company, and leave Marvel without a lot of significant talent.

Bendis, Brubaker and Millar all have creator-owned projects published by Marvel, so they can build on that.

This is probably Marvel's worst-case scenario.

Who would you assemble then to ensure Marvel at best survive for as long as they can before the next young gun steps up? I see something similar to what we had in the late 90s prior to Harras, nobody in charge. DeFalco could likely step up again, but his track record isnt spotless.

[Matt Linton]

I think Brevoort is the most likely. He's got a good relationship with the talent, and he's got a long history with the company.

[Cyclopsj316]

i would love for this story to be true.

that is why it will NOT be true.

...but heres to hoping !!! :D

[Tetsuo_man]

Bevoort has said he dosen't want the job. I think Ralph Macchio would be a great Eic. Not the actor, the editor and writer.

[ZT4]

I wonder why Tom wouldnt want the baggage? Joe cant last forever, but is he even trying to groom and mentor someone to take over?

[Mister Mets]

Maybe so, but it wouldn't keep them down long. It would hurt for a year or so, but they hold the trump card. They own the properties that will sell a ton of copies no matter who writes and draws it, and they have the resources to find new talent, the next Bendis, Millar, etc, that we've never heard of before. I love Bendis's work as much as anyone, but I don't think he's irreplaceable.

Image's formation hurt Marvel initially/briefly, and it made a ton of money for those artists, but in the big picture, Marvel is still the top-dog 15 years later and Image struggles to hold onto a couple percent of the market. It would be the same in this what-if scenario. JQ's company would do ok for the creators, but they will never own Spider-Man or the X-Men, so it's unlikely they'd ever threaten either of the big two.

If losing JQ and a few creators is Marvel's worst-case, they are sitting pretty :)I suspect Quesada would be smarter than the Image guys in figuring out a long-term structure, and possibly making it appealing to new talent.

Given his success as EIC, he could get some high-profile creators to come with him as a show of solidarity, though most have a few years worth of creator owned stuff they'd want to do anyway.


I wonder why Tom wouldnt want the baggage? Joe cant last forever, but is he even trying to groom and mentor someone to take over?Some are saying Wacker is being groomed as Quesada's heir.

At the very least we'd have a guy who gets stuff out on time.

[black_spidey728]

I don't know if he'll get fired or not (I hope he does) but if he does, I don't think it'll be solely due to OMD/BND. Typically, when you get fired, it's because you've over-promised on something you couldn't deliver.

In JQ's case, I'm betting that he made some major promises to the Marvel higher-ups to even be able to make these wholesale changes to Spidey. I'm thinking he probably said that he could bring in a good chunk of those movie going fans that saw all 3 Spidey movies. I mean those things bring in like a billion dollars worldwide.If he was able to bring in just a fraction of those fans, that would more than triple the current circulation. Even with the current numbers (dubious as they may be), they're nowhere near where they should be.

On top of which, a sh**load of controversy got unleashed, driving away a good chunk of the previous fanbase. So if he does get fired, I think it will be for over promising and under delivering. And the day it happens, I might c** in my pant a little
:p

[Shade 20x6]

Bevoort has said he dosen't want the job. I think Ralph Macchio would be a great Eic. Not the actor, the editor and writer.

I would take either version over Q. :D

[ZT4]

I would take either version over Q. :D

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/04/star_trek_Q.jpg

What's wrong with Delancie as an EIC?

[Mister Mets]

I would take either version over Q. :DWho would you want as Editor in Chief of Marvel?

[black_spidey728]

Who would you want as Editor in Chief of Marvel?

Is it a definate he's getting replaced, or still a umor?

[Lairston]

Is it a definate he's getting replaced, or still a umor?
Its a stupid rumor put out by a Marvel PR stunt.

Rich Johnson has called it crap. (Go look at the comments on the MarvelBoy blog)

[Tetsuo_man]

obviously it was a stunt done to make marvel_b0y not look like a plant. anyway if it was true and i had the choice it would be ralph macchio. I've also thought about Fabian Nicizia but the only editing he's done was as an assistant back in the eighties so maybe he'd not be the best choice expereince wise but he'd be my number two choice.

[Mister Mets]

Is it a definate he's getting replaced, or still a umor?Go to Newsarama.

Is there an article about Joe Quesada getting replaced/ resigning/ whatever?

If there isn't, this is just a rumor, and possibly part of an April Fools Day joke by a Marvel insider.

[ZT4]

Go to Newsarama.

Is there an article about Joe Quesada getting replaced/ resigning/ whatever?

If there isn't, this is just a rumor, and possibly part of an April Fools Day joke by a Marvel insider.

Speaking of Newsarama, one post about the subject wondered, if it were an april's fools gag, then what would the point be of trying to fool fans into thinking the staff is as incompetant in the feilds we think there incompetant in? What's to laugh about it?

[Mister Mets]

Speaking of Newsarama, one post about the subject wondered, if it were an april's fools gag, then what would the point be of trying to fool fans into thinking the staff is as incompetant in the feilds we think there incompetant in? What's to laugh about it?The April Fools part might come with building Marvel_BOy's credibility with anti-Marvel people to the point where he could release some outrageous rumor (possibly with art to back it up) and have people take it seriously for a day. For example, he might release a John Romita Jr image of an unmasked Spider-Man making out with Iceman, and get lots of 100+ post threads on message boards blasting the project.

Marvel has done stuff like this before. Prior to Origin, they started leaking information about a planned mini-series in which it's revealed that Uncle Ben molested Peter Parker. That way the fans ignored any rumors that Wolverine's origin would be revealed. Then there was the April Fools Day when they circulated a sketch of Spider-Man in an X-Men costume, claiming that'll be the next big event.

[Just a Shadow]

I think this is too good to be true.

Even if Marvel gets its numbers and see that BND isn't helping them any, that doesn't change the fact that they have a bunch of other books in the top 10. Spider-Man, while being the biggest guy at marvel, isn't the be and and end all. They can fuck him up pretty bad without him being fired, since it can also always be undone.

[MegaRaptor Scribe]

It sounds exactly like what people want to hear.

So of course I'm incredibly suspicious.

[Red Lotus]

If Joe Quesada were fired, how many seconds would it take DC to hire him?

Is this the same DC who Joe Q has said will not work with Marvel because he is at marvel.

[bjtrdff]

We'll probably have a bit more insight on this after SI 1 comes out. If MB's spoilers are real, it's probably pretty safe to say that he wasn't a plant, and that the IDEA of Joe Q in trouble has been bandied about.

[Magneto Rocks]

Is this the same DC who Joe Q has said will not work with Marvel because he is at marvel.

Well, it's the same DC who repeatedly slagged Joe Quesada and then created a crossover literally for the sole purpose of copying Quesada's Marvel to gain sales (As testified by a DC assistant editor of the time), so anything's possible.

[Mister Mets]

Is this the same DC who Joe Q has said will not work with Marvel because he is at marvel.It's Paul Levitz who said that, not DC.


Well, it's the same DC who repeatedly slagged Joe Quesada and then created a crossover literally for the sole purpose of copying Quesada's Marvel to gain sales (As testified by a DC assistant editor of the time), so anything's possible.
Which crossover are you referring to? Links would be appreciated, as I'm genuinely interested in this.

[Red Lotus]

It's Paul Levitz who said that, not DC.


Ok didn't know who said. I just know Joe Q was asked about another DC marvel crossover and he said that DC wouldn't do one as long as he was EIC at marvel.

[Magneto Rocks]

Which crossover are you referring to? Links would be appreciated, as I'm genuinely interested in this.

Identity Crisis. There used to be longer things on it, and I'm sure they're still out there, but on short notice, the best I could find was wikipedia's description:
"A former DC staffer who worked on Identity Crisis — later identified as DC assistant editor Valeria D'Orazio — alleged that the mini-series' main plot points, especially the rape of the character Sue Dibny, were dictated by DC editors in order to draw increased sales and direct attention away from Marvel Comics."

[Mister Mets]

Identity Crisis. There used to be longer things on it, and I'm sure they're still out there, but on short notice, the best I could find was wikipedia's description:
"A former DC staffer who worked on Identity Crisis — later identified as DC assistant editor Valeria D'Orazio — alleged that the mini-series' main plot points, especially the rape of the character Sue Dibny, were dictated by DC editors in order to draw increased sales and direct attention away from Marvel Comics."Interesting.

I would want a citation before passing along this quote, given how easy it is to fake stuff on wikipedia.

[Kid Kyoto]

Identity Crisis. There used to be longer things on it, and I'm sure they're still out there, but on short notice, the best I could find was wikipedia's description:
"A former DC staffer who worked on Identity Crisis — later identified as DC assistant editor Valeria D'Orazio — alleged that the mini-series' main plot points, especially the rape of the character Sue Dibny, were dictated by DC editors in order to draw increased sales and direct attention away from Marvel Comics."

That sounds backwards because AFTER DC announced Identity Crisis Marvel announced a series called Identity Disk where every issue was timed to ship the same day as an Identity Crisis issue.

IIRC Valerie's comments were more like DC was trying to be as edgy as Marvel, not that DC was copying Marvel.

[Volume11]

That sounds backwards because AFTER DC announced Identity Crisis Marvel announced a series called Identity Disk where every issue was timed to ship the same day as an Identity Crisis issue.

IIRC Valerie's comments were more like DC was trying to be as edgy as Marvel, not that DC was copying Marvel.

I have to agree. I would think that any semi-major to major release from either DC or Marvel comes with the unsaid disclaimer of "we hope it steals attention away from our competitior".

[dcarner]

Shouldn't this be the real spoiler from Marvel B0y?

Spider-Man - Brevoort and Slott got into a huge argument today on the phone over who exactly is coming back in Slott’s Brand New Day arc in June. Those last pages are being drawn and Marvel’s been saying a “red-head” is coming back, but now Slott wants a certain “blonde” to return. No idea how it ended or what was decided, Brevoort went into a conference room after and came out red-faced from either fighting until he won or pissed that he lost. Or there were red-hot candies in there and he stress-ate them. Personally, I think MJ should be back but if anyone can make Gwen’s return work, it’s Slott


If this is true, are we in for the clone saga all over again. You know story lines changing mid stream, EICs being fired, cats and dogs living together in sin? I don't like BND, but good grief, I hate the idea of both this happening and Joe going. This could be disasterous.

[philly]

Shouldn't this be the real spoiler from Marvel B0y?

Spider-Man - Brevoort and Slott got into a huge argument today on the phone over who exactly is coming back in Slott’s Brand New Day arc in June. Those last pages are being drawn and Marvel’s been saying a “red-head” is coming back, but now Slott wants a certain “blonde” to return. No idea how it ended or what was decided, Brevoort went into a conference room after and came out red-faced from either fighting until he won or pissed that he lost. Or there were red-hot candies in there and he stress-ate them. Personally, I think MJ should be back but if anyone can make Gwen’s return work, it’s Slott


If this is true, are we in for the clone saga all over again. You know story lines changing mid stream, EICs being fired, cats and dogs living together in sin? I don't like BND, but good grief, I hate the idea of both this happening and Joe going. This could be disasterous.

Joe is not going anywhere at the moment and if the rumor is true, it will not be because of Spider-Man.

[IronKing]

Bevoort has said he dosen't want the job. I think Ralph Macchio would be a great Eic. Not the actor, the editor and writer.

Whaaaaaaat, Karate Kid would be a badass EIC! Iron Fist would be the flagship title and Master of Kung-Fu would get his own book again.

Karate Kid for Editor-in-Chief. Marvel, make it happen!

[BlackToe]

Whaaaaaaat, Karate Kid would be a badass EIC! Iron Fist would be the flagship title and Master of Kung-Fu would get his own book again.

Karate Kid for Editor-in-Chief. Marvel, make it happen!

I agree!

Wax on, Loeb off.

[IronKing]

I agree!

Wax on, Loeb off.

Seriously!! Do I even have to argue my point???

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/data/713/medium/26911macchio_ralph21.jpg

This guy has CREDENTIALS, man!!

[ZT4]

He's back (contains possible Cable spoilers, tread carefully)

http://marvelb0y.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!EC9766DC20BD470D!236.entry#comment

Quesada is on the 11th floor...are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

And a plug for New York's con regarding an annoucement...probably nothing to do with Quesada's firing, that's the April Fool, but always hide a truth within the lie.

[Pro]

It shows they really have no balls. They give in to pathetic, whiny, bitchy fanboys when they stomp their feet and hold their breath.

Always a good business tactic, pissing off your buyers to show them you got balls.

[ZT4]

Found this comment on his latest blog, might be from Steve Wacker


You seem to be under the impression that nobody knows who you are, you pathetic body fat challenged cow. I know (check your handbag) and so does every senior person in the company. If you're wondering why your huge ass isn't out the door by now it's merely because you've set yourself up as cheese, and we're going to catch a mouse all because of you. Isn't that nice?

It's time to grow up. What you wanted to happen was never going to happen. He was laughing at you - laughing that you thought it might happen. And so were we. So now you think it's cool to get revenge by hurting people who had nothing to do with it. What goes around, tubby. Remember - you were warned two weeks ago.

S

I suspect from these comments that marvel b0y IS Dan Slott who's setting a trap, as "S" points out, to snare Marvel's other informat leak Mr. Anoymonous, who's had legit beef with Slott.

[ShaggyB]

Found this comment on his latest blog, might be from Steve Wacker



I suspect from these comments that marvel b0y IS Dan Slott who's setting a trap, as "S" points out, to snare Marvel's other informat leak Mr. Anoymonous, who's had legit beef with Slott.

Yeah i read that this morning. I dislike that because Mr. Anonymous is defiantly given out quality spoilers in great detail. I like to read them when im as excited about a topic as i am about "how is the skrull thing going to play out".

Supposedly Mr. Anonymous is dropping something big on monday, as if the frame by frame story board for one of the big skrull reveal scenes of SI #1 wasnt big enough.

[ZT4]

I havent looked it up yet, but I might as well now that Newsarama's buggers spoiled that scene on the boards.

[Cyclopsj316]

Always a good business tactic, pissing off your buyers to show them you got balls.

LOL. sure it is. :rolleyes: