View Full Version : Why does Tony Stark still use armor?
jackolover
03-28-2008, 01:26 AM
Okay, Tony has the extremis right? And the extremis can replicate the armor from inside his bones, so, the armor has to be broken down into little packages to fit inside his bones. Why does Tony reanimate Iron Man as this complicated mixture of parts when it re-assembles? Why can't Tony reanimate Iron Man as a full skin covering like the Molten Man, and just include replulsors on this hands, and a beam on his chest. It would make him look more sleek and reduce the complexity of the re-animation. No more face plate. Tony should be able to change his costume just like the Iron Spider could change from one suit to another. What is the big attraction of the Iron Man armor with all it's bits and pieces?
Ratwedge
03-28-2008, 02:22 AM
Okay, Tony has the extremis right? And the extremis can replicate the armor from inside his bones, so, the armor has to be broken down into little packages to fit inside his bones. Why does Tony reanimate Iron Man as this complicated mixture of parts when it re-assembles? Why can't Tony reanimate Iron Man as a full skin covering like the Molten Man, and just include replulsors on this hands, and a beam on his chest. It would make him look more sleek and reduce the complexity of the re-animation. No more face plate. Tony should be able to change his costume just like the Iron Spider could change from one suit to another. What is the big attraction of the Iron Man armor with all it's bits and pieces?
Why does Bucky Barnes wear the flag? Because its who the character is, despite obvious advantages :D
garin
03-28-2008, 04:30 AM
He doesn't store the entire armor in his bones, just the undersheath.
Netley
03-28-2008, 04:44 AM
Because the armor looks so friggin cool! (And this latest version has really grown on me!)
It's a cool thought you have (and I'm sure Stark would appreciate it if you could tell him), but I don't see Marvel ever doing something like that permanently. Visually, he needs armor. That is his archetype (the Knight in Armor, and whatnot...the Avengers always having that Round Table feel...I mean, Cap wore chain mail for cry out loud haha)...ah, digression...
Point is, the character = the armor just as much as the man (especially visually - this is comics after all). That's what was so cool about Extremis, it not only made the armor unique to Tony, it also fused the two aspects of his archetype together (like the blurring of a yin-yang symbol...ooohhh haha).
stingerman
03-28-2008, 05:03 PM
Okay, Tony has the extremis right? And the extremis can replicate the armor from inside his bones, so, the armor has to be broken down into little packages to fit inside his bones. Why does Tony reanimate Iron Man as this complicated mixture of parts when it re-assembles? Why can't Tony reanimate Iron Man as a full skin covering like the Molten Man, and just include replulsors on this hands, and a beam on his chest. It would make him look more sleek and reduce the complexity of the re-animation. No more face plate. Tony should be able to change his costume just like the Iron Spider could change from one suit to another. What is the big attraction of the Iron Man armor with all it's bits and pieces?
Because he would not be called Iron Man he would be called X-O and be referring to his armor as the good skin.
I'd actually flip the issue. Rather than him leaving the armor at home and going out himself, think he should leave himself at home and just send the armor to do everything (or at least most things).
If Stark was smarter, that armor suit would be empty 70% of the time.
HeckBoy
03-28-2008, 06:29 PM
I'd actually flip the issue. Rather than him leaving the armor at home and going out himself, think he should leave himself at home and just send the armor to do everything (or at least most things).
If Stark was smarter, that armor suit would be empty 70% of the time.Haha yeah. Tony's micromanaging. He should just do that remote control thing he does w/ his old armors, that way he can cover a wider range of incidents and then step in when it's a "big" threat.
jackolover
03-28-2008, 07:10 PM
I'd actually flip the issue. Rather than him leaving the armor at home and going out himself, think he should leave himself at home and just send the armor to do everything (or at least most things).
If Stark was smarter, that armor suit would be empty 70% of the time.
That is cool.
But I'm just looking at the whole aesthetic issue here. The extremis does make the suit form around him. He doesn't need a suitcase anymore for the armor. Why not make the suit do whatever he likes like the Iron Spiders. Tony has had something like 25 changes to ath armor, so why not go smooth, instead of all the bulkiness?
SquidSquod
03-28-2008, 07:55 PM
I'd actually flip the issue. Rather than him leaving the armor at home and going out himself, think he should leave himself at home and just send the armor to do everything (or at least most things).
If Stark was smarter, that armor suit would be empty 70% of the time.
Tony has an always be an adrenaline junkie. He's smart enough to build unmanned suits/bots, but the thing is he needs to be inside the action.
StoneGold
03-28-2008, 08:47 PM
I'd actually flip the issue. Rather than him leaving the armor at home and going out himself, think he should leave himself at home and just send the armor to do everything (or at least most things).
If Stark was smarter, that armor suit would be empty 70% of the time.
He's done that before. Hell, there was one point where that's all he did, as he was completely paralyzed. But with the tech villains he faces, it's too easy for one of them to remote hijack the suit.
bjtrdff
03-28-2008, 08:59 PM
That is cool.
But I'm just looking at the whole aesthetic issue here. The extremis does make the suit form around him. He doesn't need a suitcase anymore for the armor. Why not make the suit do whatever he likes like the Iron Spiders. Tony has had something like 25 changes to ath armor, so why not go smooth, instead of all the bulkiness?
Because clearly Tony can't make a remote control armor in humanoid form....
ChristosSoter
03-28-2008, 09:43 PM
Okay, Tony has the extremis right? And the extremis can replicate the armor from inside his bones, so, the armor has to be broken down into little packages to fit inside his bones. Why does Tony reanimate Iron Man as this complicated mixture of parts when it re-assembles? Why can't Tony reanimate Iron Man as a full skin covering like the Molten Man, and just include replulsors on this hands, and a beam on his chest. It would make him look more sleek and reduce the complexity of the re-animation. No more face plate. Tony should be able to change his costume just like the Iron Spider could change from one suit to another. What is the big attraction of the Iron Man armor with all it's bits and pieces?
Because it's who he is. Why not take away Thor's hammer, or Cyclops' visor? While we're at it, Angel hardly uses those wings anyway....
That is cool.
But I'm just looking at the whole aesthetic issue here. The extremis does make the suit form around him. He doesn't need a suitcase anymore for the armor. Why not make the suit do whatever he likes like the Iron Spiders. Tony has had something like 25 changes to ath armor, so why not go smooth, instead of all the bulkiness?
extremis doesn't make the suit around him, it forms the undersheath. the rest of the armor still needs to be placed manually.
lonewolf23k
03-28-2008, 10:19 PM
extremis doesn't make the suit around him, it forms the undersheath. the rest of the armor still needs to be placed manually.
Exactly. Plus, he's free to tinker around with the exo-armor as much as he wants, which is the part he really likes.
Leogam
03-28-2008, 10:33 PM
Does Tony still have that heart condition that forces him to wear the iron man suit ?
StoneGold
03-28-2008, 10:39 PM
Does Tony still have that heart condition that forces him to wear the iron man suit ?
Not since, what, the 70s? For a while there, the suit helped with the heart thing when he had the Iron Man heart, but Extremis cured that.
DeadXMan
03-28-2008, 11:37 PM
cause tony like to kill his victims personally, then blame it on being brainwashed or hacked;)
Netley
03-29-2008, 12:07 AM
cause tony like to kill his victims personally, then blame it on being brainwashed or hacked;)
Hahahaha!!!
...or drunk ;)
jackolover
03-29-2008, 02:16 AM
extremis doesn't make the suit around him, it forms the undersheath. the rest of the armor still needs to be placed manually.
No. Not manually.
Reference these books :
Iron Man #18, P16
Iron Man #19, P11
WWH Aftersmash, P9
The armor seems to appear from somewhere, and extremis reassembles it, or disassembles it at will. If Tony can make Iron Spiders, he doesn't need the armor anymore.
You can always improve certain characteristics and powers but only to the point where it doesn't alter the character completely. Spiderman isn't supposed to have claws. Likewise, Ironman isn't supposed to have an artificial spider-sense. And his regular clothes shouldn't turn into armor either.
The extremis turned Tony into a meta that should possess superhuman strength, reflexes and regeneration. Yet most writers, even the Knaufs, depict him as a normal guy only difference being that he now has a wireless WAN built into his head and (on some occasions) can multi-task.
Netley
03-29-2008, 03:51 PM
You can always improve certain characteristics and powers but only to the point where it doesn't alter the character completely.
Exactly. Modernizations, updates, additions. As long as they don't alter the character/point-of-the-character/what-the-character-represents, they can definitely be great improvements. Extremis did this quite well with Tony.
The extremis turned Tony into a meta that should possess superhuman strength, reflexes and regeneration. Yet most writers, even the Knaufs, depict him as a normal guy only difference being that he now has a wireless WAN built into his head and (on some occasions) can multi-task.
I loved how in MA, when Spider Woman brings Tony Skrullektra's corpse, he uses his armor to analyze the body, verify Jessica's heart rate, and record the conversation - even though he wasn't armored up at the time!
EDIT: Exo, that Banner quote is one of the funniest Simpsons lines ever!!! Barny: "...Wow, those gears are really painful!" Hahaha!
jackolover
03-29-2008, 06:37 PM
Okay, now I've found it in print.
Look up CW : The Iitiative, Page 2, there it says it in black and white.
"Instead of physically putting on his shining armor, the armor is now part of him. It pours out of his skin". That's Bendis talking there.
Okay, now I've found it in print.
Look up CW : The Iitiative, Page 2, there it says it in black and white.
"Instead of physically putting on his shining armor, the armor is now part of him. It pours out of his skin". That's Bendis talking there.
Read IM:extremis and you'll understand, he can't store the whole armor in his bones.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2338/137305ironman400ik0.jpg
Yes, he stores that golden circuitry suit in the hollows of his bones but the outer shell (the red parts) needs to be re-assembled from scratch from the outside.
EDIT: Exo, that Banner quote is one of the funniest Simpsons lines ever!!! Barny: "...Wow, those gears are really painful!" Hahaha!
They sure are. One of my favorite episodes.
jackolover
03-31-2008, 03:24 AM
Read IM:extremis and you'll understand, he can't store the whole armor in his bones.
Yes, he stores that golden circuitry suit in the hollows of his bones but the outer shell (the red parts) needs to be re-assembled from scratch from the outside.
There does seem to be a conflict between writers interpretation of how extremis works. That picture of yours is one where the bits appear to come from elsewhere, and others show the armor going elswhere. I wish the writers were more consistant on this issue, instead of confusing the readers. Editors, please note.
Jmacq1
03-31-2008, 07:11 AM
It's funny, one of the old Iron-Man artists (I dont' recall which, but it was one of the "classic" artists) mentioned that he didn't like the modern Iron-Man suit, because it kept becoming more bulky, when in his mind (and truth be told, logically speaking) it should have been getting more streamlined/sleeker. His idea of what an "perfect" Iron Man would look like was something like the Silver Surfer. All the capability of the old suit in a thin skin-tight sheath due to increased miniaturization.
Now, the "bulky" armor can still be OK, if the overall capabilities and power-level of the suit are increased commensurately (in other words it's "new" technology that hasn't gotten fully miniaturized yet), but generally speaking, the power level increases seem to be incremental when Tony gets a new suit, rather than exponential.
Of course, the Extremis armor is pretty sleek compared to some of the models that preceded it, too.
And yeah, remote-controlled armor can be (and has been) done, but Tony's too much of a hands-on action junkie to ever go completely remote, even if it makes more sense than being in the suit. Of course, he's shown a willingness to "go remote" more often since Extremis, which is cool.
As for the lack of "superhuman" where Extremis is concerned, I tend to think Tony's self-limiting himself to an extent, to avoid losing his humanity, so to speak. Though I'd also note: I doubt that without Extremis, Tony would have lasted more than two seconds against Captain America in the Cap/Iron Man special during Civil War. ;)
SnakeEater
03-31-2008, 12:05 PM
random question that bothered me
if tony is trying to "police" the world since he doesnt trust anyone anyhow...
why doesnt he start cleaning up the internet, lol. I mean doesnt his powers allow him to control crap like that?
i never had an interest in Stark ever until civil war and he's growing on me now, i sorta like him a bit. i was just curious about this extremis stuff
jackolover
04-01-2008, 02:20 AM
random question that bothered me
if tony is trying to "police" the world since he doesnt trust anyone anyhow...
why doesnt he start cleaning up the internet, lol. I mean doesnt his powers allow him to control crap like that?
i never had an interest in Stark ever until civil war and he's growing on me now, i sorta like him a bit. i was just curious about this extremis stuff
Not sure of the question. Are you asking why hasn't Tony reduced spam?
As to extremis, if you haven't read the first 2 arcs since the reboot, Tony got in a fight with the first extremis host and even in his Iron Man outfit, the other guy jobbed Tony badly, so he had bad injuries. Tony then convinced Maya, the inventor of extremis, to fill Tony with extremis nanobots. This repaired Tony, and Tony consequently blew this guys head, right off.
SnakeEater
04-01-2008, 07:01 AM
Not sure of the question. Are you asking why hasn't Tony reduced spam?
As to extremis, if you haven't read the first 2 arcs since the reboot, Tony got in a fight with the first extremis host and even in his Iron Man outfit, the other guy jobbed Tony badly, so he had bad injuries. Tony then convinced Maya, the inventor of extremis, to fill Tony with extremis nanobots. This repaired Tony, and Tony consequently blew this guys head, right off.
i saw the first arc in barnes and noble, it looked good but i didnt have the money to buy it.
and my question is basically a DUMB question that just shows how really weird comics can be and how one could look TOO MUCH into it. but what can tony do exactly? i remember he stopped the machines in the hopstial that his friend was in and he wasnt there, so if tony can do that, why not shut down all the porn sites? sites about terrorism/anti american nonsense?
StoneGold
04-01-2008, 12:49 PM
i saw the first arc in barnes and noble, it looked good but i didnt have the money to buy it.
and my question is basically a DUMB question that just shows how really weird comics can be and how one could look TOO MUCH into it. but what can tony do exactly? i remember he stopped the machines in the hopstial that his friend was in and he wasnt there, so if tony can do that, why not shut down all the porn sites? sites about terrorism/anti american nonsense?
Because Tony isn't against free speech? And likes porn?
Apart from that, there's a huge difference between stopping the power on one machine and filtering and stopping the data flow of a non-centralized thing like the Internet. It's like asking why we can dam a river, but can't stop a tidal wave.
No. Not manually.
Reference these books :
Iron Man #18, P16
Iron Man #19, P11
WWH Aftersmash, P9
The armor seems to appear from somewhere, and extremis reassembles it, or disassembles it at will. If Tony can make Iron Spiders, he doesn't need the armor anymore.
i think i remember it being described as him using magnetic fields to juggle the pieces of the armor into place. it's high tech manual, cmon, you expect tony to use his hands for this stuff?
SquidSquod
04-02-2008, 12:42 AM
I hope the external frames are transported from a close-distance cloaked sentry bot named "Quiver".
It's a cross between Booster Gold and the 80's cartoon Centurions.
deant
04-04-2008, 04:15 AM
Hiya gang. Just out of interest, what the hell is Extremis, (please excuse my ignorance) how did it come about, what are the impacts of it in the Marvel community and how does Tony Stark use/control it?
jackolover
04-04-2008, 05:39 AM
Hiya gang. Just out of interest, what the hell is Extremis, (please excuse my ignorance) how did it come about, what are the impacts of it in the Marvel community and how does Tony Stark use/control it?
Gee, that's asking a lot.
Extremis is a nanobot placed in a host human, that acts as a combination repairer of injured cells and a high tech auxilliary, that connects the host to his armor, and enhances it so he can feed all satillites and all electrical devices connected to the web. In Tony Starks case, he was terribly injured, and when fed extremis, rejuvinated him and made him twice as durable as he was before, with added intellegence feeds on any subject he needed to defeat his current opponent. That's how he was able to defeat Cap in CW #3, and Spiderman in IM/Cap Casualties of War, when the NA attacked Tony.
deant
04-05-2008, 02:32 AM
Ah ok cool thanks. When did Stark get injured and what happened to him? Your answer also clears up why Tony was communicating with the dreadnoughts in WWH. I was wondering about that as I thought he didnt have any powers as such, just his armour.
jackolover
04-05-2008, 06:34 AM
Ah ok cool thanks. When did Stark get injured and what happened to him? Your answer also clears up why Tony was communicating with the dreadnoughts in WWH. I was wondering about that as I thought he didnt have any powers as such, just his armour.
Yeah Stark has a permanent internet connection with his body now.
Tony got injured badly, by the first extremis host in a fight Tony couldn't win. When Tony was dragged into a hospital theater, he convinced the extremis creator to implant him, too, and this made him into Super Iron Man.
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