Psylocke Appreciation Thread

[psycwave]

Seem everyone like the pick costume best...i think its safe to assume everyone really just wants Betsy out of the nija Hand outfit. I have a nice little game. If you were the writer of the X-men how would you retcon the Revanche body swap to restore Betsy to her british body and possible her telepathic might. I have a few ideas of my own but i would like to hear all yours.

[CmX]

is it me or did they change Betsy's hair colour for good? I mean, as of late it is either dark blue or black.. kinda sucks because I like it very purple :frown:

It's almost always colored dark purple, just look at Betsy lately in Exiles/NewExiles, aside from a few covers with coloring errors (they seem to just color it black on a lot of covers) it's almost always dark purple.

[Flameworthy]

I think Psylocke should join Captain Britain's team or the Uncanny team and if Kwannon were ressurected and cleaned up a bit she should join X-Force that'd be so sweet!

But I highly doubt either of those will be happening.

That really would be sweet! I think Kwannon would fit perfectly on X-Force since I think she has more of a killing instinct (being and assassin and all) than Betsy.

We can still dream though.:redface:

Seem everyone like the pick costume best...i think its safe to assume everyone really just wants Betsy out of the nija Hand outfit. I have a nice little game. If you were the writer of the X-men how would you retcon the Revanche body swap to restore Betsy to her british body and possible her telepathic might. I have a few ideas of my own but i would like to hear all yours.

I would not, because I love Revanche and would not want her retconned. I would however find a way to bring her back to life and have her and Betsy switch back bodies.

[Tazirai]

That really would be sweet! I think Kwannon would fit perfectly on X-Force since I think she has more of a killing instinct (being and assassin and all) than Betsy.

We can still dream though.:redface:



I would not, because I love Revanche and would not want her retconned. I would however find a way to bring her back to life and have her and Betsy switch back bodies.

I agree with this. Hell even colossus died saving the world from the Legacy Virus. Revanche died of it. If HE can come back, why can't she? :biggrin: :cool:

[jarrod]

The only way I'd endorse 616 Kwannon's return is if we get english Betsy back in return. I don't want Revanche running around while Betsy's stuck in butt-floss though...

[DDM]

The only way I'd endorse 616 Kwannon's return is if we get english Betsy back in return. I don't want Revanche running around while Betsy's stuck in butt-floss though...

Kwannon is just not a real character; she's Betsy. Kwannon's return would not do anyone any favors.

[psycwave]

If for some reason Kwannon returned and her and Betts were returned to their original bodies I think Kwannon would have to take a drastic makeover.

[Flameworthy]

I agree with this. Hell even colossus died saving the world from the Legacy Virus. Revanche died of it. If HE can come back, why can't she? :biggrin: :cool:

Exactly!:biggrin:

Kwannon is just not a real character; she's Betsy. Kwannon's return would not do anyone any favors.

Hater alert! Please exit the building.

FYI, Her return would do me many upon many favors.

If for some reason Kwannon returned and her and Betts were returned to their original bodies I think Kwannon would have to take a drastic makeover.

Most likely. She'd need some of her own imagery that is not associated with Psylocke.

[Dagger]

Kwannon is just not a real character; she's Betsy. Kwannon's return would not do anyone any favors.
Speak for yourself. Don't presume youre biased view of what makes a good character is how we all feel.

[jarrod]

I think Kwannon as just the empathic ninja assassin could work honestly. She needs to be low level enough to where her engaging in physical combat makes sense (unlike Betsy since like forever).

And I know I'm in the minority, but I like the idea of Betsy as telekinetic, plus it'd help differentiate her further from Kwannon. Throw her back in the Aussie armor, keep the teke, bring back the precog and I think both characters could actually stand on their own pretty well (even on the same team if need be, which could be interesting itself).



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ugh, I think this forum's starting to make me not hate Kwannon... damn you flamey & daggs!

[Dagger]

I think Kwannon as just the empathic ninja assassin could work honestly. She needs to be low level enough to where her engaging in physical combat makes sense (unlike Betsy since like forever).

And I know I'm in the minority, but I like the idea of Betsy as telekinetic, plus it'd help differentiate her further from Kwannon. Throw her back in the Aussie armor, keep the teke, bring back the precog and I think both characters could actually stand on their own pretty well (even on the same team if need be, which could be interesting itself).



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ugh, I think this forum's starting to make me not hate Kwannon... damn you flamey & daggs!
BWAH HA HAHA!!! Soon you'll have a Revanche tattoo on your butt! That I will slap repeatedly!!!

[psycwave]

I think Kwannon as just the empathic ninja assassin could work honestly. She needs to be low level enough to where her engaging in physical combat makes sense (unlike Betsy since like forever).

And I know I'm in the minority, but I like the idea of Betsy as telekinetic, plus it'd help differentiate her further from Kwannon. Throw her back in the Aussie armor, keep the teke, bring back the precog and I think both characters could actually stand on their own pretty well (even on the same team if need be, which could be interesting itself).
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Im actually with you on that jarrod. I don't hate Betsy's tk i just think the writer(or CC) uses it poorly. We all have discussed how she should use her tk to augment her fighting skills strength, etc. but she doesn't. I really would just wish they would explain how she got the tk, hell they can take the lazy way out and just say it was a latent mutation and incorporate the story of her and Phoenix battling shdow king on the astral plane saying that she didn't gain Jean's tk jean just helped unlock it and i have more to say but i will just cut it short now...im tired

[Flameworthy]

Speak for yourself. Don't presume youre biased view of what makes a good character is how we all feel.

You go gurl!

I think Kwannon as just the empathic ninja assassin could work honestly. She needs to be low level enough to where her engaging in physical combat makes sense (unlike Betsy since like forever).

I would actually love that, but honestly she could have farting powers and I wouldn't care. As long as she's alive and in a book then that's all that matters to me.


And I know I'm in the minority, but I like the idea of Betsy as telekinetic, plus it'd help differentiate her further from Kwannon. Throw her back in the Aussie armor, keep the teke, bring back the precog and I think both characters could actually stand on their own pretty well (even on the same team if need be, which could be interesting itself).

I will never like Psylocke with the TK. I just don't think it fits her character. Just give her back her TP and precog abilities.


ugh, I think this forum's starting to make me not hate Kwannon... damn you flamey & daggs!

Our Revanche love is contagious. Just like syphilis!

[Dagger]

You go gurl!
I'm no Claremazon lesbian!! I'm a proud gay boi!!!!


Our Revanche love is contagious. Just like syphilis!
LOL! Quoted for hilarity reasons...and because it's true!! We're dirty, dirty whores!

[jarrod]

BWAH HA HAHA!!! Soon you'll have a Revanche tattoo on your butt! That I will slap repeatedly!!!
*bends invitingly forward*


Im actually with you on that jarrod. I don't hate Betsy's tk i just think the writer(or CC) uses it poorly. We all have discussed how she should use her tk to augment her fighting skills strength, etc. but she doesn't. I really would just wish they would explain how she got the tk, hell they can take the lazy way out and just say it was a latent mutation and incorporate the story of her and Phoenix battling shdow king on the astral plane saying that she didn't gain Jean's tk jean just helped unlock it and i have more to say but i will just cut it short now...im tired
My personal fanfic theory would tie it back to Betsy's Otherworld heritage, and her genetic link to Brian. See, like Brian I'd submit that Betsy (1) isn't actually a mutant and her "appearing" so was due to Merlyn/Roma's manipulating Excalibur into formation and (2) is essentially the other half of the genetic "key" for the "ruler of the omniverse" that Merlyn charged James Sr. with creating. The trick is that Brian and Betsy both together make up that ruler, both being intrinsically tied to Otherworld energies, with him being the physical and her mental. Literally mind and body, operating in concert. Jamie then obviously, would've been something of a failed test run... infinitely more powerful than his siblings (bending reality, combining the ultimate potential of both Brian and Betsy), but ultimately made unstable by that same power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, which is why James essentially split the responsibility in the 2nd experiment.

This would also help explain Betsy's past power shifts and just different psychic manifestations of Otherworld energies (similar to how Brain's manifestation is his increased physicality, endurance, strength, invulnerability and flight), which honestly seem to be all over the map (precognition, telepathy, psycho-blasts, telekinesis, psychometry, etc).

The "power swap" with Jean wasn't actually that, it just appeared so. Jean helping Betsy with Farouk would've just triggered a subconscious power shift in both (Besty's teke manifestation could've been more defensive, as she then wouldn't have been directly in Farouk's line of fire). I'd say the Crimson Dawn-ish Phoenix mark could've been linked to some sort of transfer though, or maybe just removed the magical link from Betsy (this could be related to Roma/Merlyn as well honestly, and then help explain Jamie's later transference to Rachel as a power source for resurrecting Betsy).

[Flameworthy]

I'm no Claremazon lesbian!! I'm a proud gay boi!!!!


Haha My head was temporarily clouded for a second.


LOL! Quoted for hilarity reasons...and because it's true!! We're dirty, dirty whores!

There's no use denying it.:redface:

[Leirus]

*bends invitingly forward*



My personal fanfic theory would tie it back to Betsy's Otherworld heritage, and her genetic link to Brian. See, like Brian I'd submit that Betsy (1) isn't actually a mutant and her "appearing" so was due to Merlyn/Roma's manipulating Excalibur into formation and (2) is essentially the other half of the genetic "key" for the "ruler of the omniverse" that Merlyn charged James Sr. with creating. The trick is that Brian and Betsy both together make up that ruler, both being intrinsically tied to Otherworld energies, with him being the physical and her mental. Literally mind and body, operating in concert. Jamie then obviously, would've been something of a failed test run... infinitely more powerful than his siblings (bending reality, combining the ultimate potential of both Brian and Betsy), but ultimately made unstable by that same power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, which is why James essentially split the responsibility in the 2nd experiment.

This would also help explain Betsy's past power shifts and just different psychic manifestations of Otherworld energies (similar to how Brain's manifestation is his increased physicality, endurance, strength, invulnerability and flight), which honestly seem to be all over the map (precognition, telepathy, psycho-blasts, telekinesis, psychometry, etc).

The "power swap" with Jean wasn't actually that, it just appeared so. Jean helping Betsy with Farouk would've just triggered a subconscious power shift in both (Besty's teke manifestation could've been more defensive, as she then wouldn't have been directly in Farouk's line of fire). I'd say the Crimson Dawn-ish Phoenix mark could've been linked to some sort of transfer though, or maybe just removed the magical link from Betsy (this could be related to Roma/Merlyn as well honestly, and then help explain Jamie's later transference to Rachel as a power source for resurrecting Betsy).

I like your theory, except the part in which her powers are related to Brian´s... I always felt uncomfortable with brothers who share powers, a la Northstar/Aurora or Fenris... it feels... slightly sexual and It makes both of them appear always together. Brian and Betsy have a healthy relationship really uncomon in Marvel twins, and I like it that way

(and yes, I know that an alternate Brian once tried to rape her, ahem)

To bring Kwannon back, I would simply throw Betsy back to an alternate Dangerous Siege (Or a portal to the Dangerous Siege located in an alternate world, if we have to swallow the New Exiles crap, we can as well get something in return)... The Portal will spit them back in 616 splited. But, hum, without lifeforce enough for both of them... I do not know how to figure out that one

[psycwave]

*bends invitingly forward*



My personal fanfic theory would tie it back to Betsy's Otherworld heritage, and her genetic link to Brian. See, like Brian I'd submit that Betsy (1) isn't actually a mutant and her "appearing" so was due to Merlyn/Roma's manipulating Excalibur into formation and (2) is essentially the other half of the genetic "key" for the "ruler of the omniverse" that Merlyn charged James Sr. with creating. The trick is that Brian and Betsy both together make up that ruler, both being intrinsically tied to Otherworld energies, with him being the physical and her mental. Literally mind and body, operating in concert. Jamie then obviously, would've been something of a failed test run... infinitely more powerful than his siblings (bending reality, combining the ultimate potential of both Brian and Betsy), but ultimately made unstable by that same power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, which is why James essentially split the responsibility in the 2nd experiment.

This would also help explain Betsy's past power shifts and just different psychic manifestations of Otherworld energies (similar to how Brain's manifestation is his increased physicality, endurance, strength, invulnerability and flight), which honestly seem to be all over the map (precognition, telepathy, psycho-blasts, telekinesis, psychometry, etc).

The "power swap" with Jean wasn't actually that, it just appeared so. Jean helping Betsy with Farouk would've just triggered a subconscious power shift in both (Besty's teke manifestation could've been more defensive, as she then wouldn't have been directly in Farouk's line of fire). I'd say the Crimson Dawn-ish Phoenix mark could've been linked to some sort of transfer though, or maybe just removed the magical link from Betsy (this could be related to Roma/Merlyn as well honestly, and then help explain Jamie's later transference to Rachel as a power source for resurrecting Betsy).

I actually like your idea Jarrod. But i don't know how i feel about Betsy not being a mutant...perhaps her mutation could be due to her otherworld heritage.

[Tazirai]

I did a short fanfic not long ago abotu Psylocke Revanche and the whole thing.

It starred Mojo, Spiral, Jamie, Kwannon, and Betsy.

In the story we get spiral sitting in a room admiring her handiwork throughout the years. She harkens back to a Mojo Favorite.. Psylocke, and wonders what the hell ever happened to her.

Flash forward a month later, and Spiral is in disguise having a conversation with Matsuo, about kwannon, and Psylocke. She wants to know how the body swap worked. He explains to her what happened.

Jamie being the controlling bloke what 'e is, has been keeping tabs on anyone who has played a major part in his Siblings lives. In his mind there has to be at least one Braddock, who isnt in someway nuts.

He devises a plan.

Flash forward 1 week, Matsuo receives a call from a certain Kwannon, They meet, confusion follows, and Jamie "disguised as spiral " appears. He hints to Kwannon, in British form that he'd like an exchange.

Psylocke, having never left the 616, is out rediscovering life, and as a Telekinetic.
Thought flash, She senses Kwannon. With Beast and Storm in tow, she flies to Japan. Little does she know that Spiral has been keeping tabs on her.

What happens is Jamie appeared to Spiral in Matsuo's form, Now he's appeared to Matsuo in spirals form, after reviving Kwannon. He wants his sister whole again, unfortunately, even he can't undo spirals body shoppe magic.

He plans to have The real spiral return his sister to her original form, and permanently sever the ties to Kwannon. So he leads Everyone on a grand farce.

In Japan Psylocke,Beast, and Storm encounter Kwannon, Matsuo, All are confused. Spiral appears, then spiral appears again "really Jamie". Spiral feeling as though she's been played a fool, kidnaps the lot of them and instead ot undoing her handiwork, intends to kill em all.

Not wanting to be played the foul, Jamie gets his brother involved, Heroic fighting and rescuing ensues. Kwannon is given her old body back, Betsy hers also. Each retains a semblance of their fighting prowess and original power. Jamie being the smug sod e is, pats himself on the back, until he realizes he now owes a debt to spiral.

What none of them realizes is that Mojo has just garnered his HIGHEST ratings yet, and now he has two stars in Kwannon and Psylocke.

I wrote this last year, Wish i could find the file ^^.

[cgar]

Here's the thing i would love for Psylocke to keep her telekinesis but also get her telepathy back. Because I think it suits her fine to have both and I do not think she would be too powerful

What I am thinking is the Jamie only knew his sister as a telepath so basically when he brought her back to life. He brought her back in the body that she was now comfortable in which is the Euro Asian ( what i like to call it) with the telepathy and her telekinesis. Which she doesnt know she has the telepathy back because she got use to the Telekinesis. All she has to do is tap into it because its there. There arent really any individuals that used telepathy like her. Emma is now main telepath. Jean is deadish still. And Cable doesnt have either
TK or Tp.Hopefully that made sense because its not that difficult to bring the telepathy back seeing as how her brother brought her back

[psycwave]

I personally think Betsy still has her tp. When claremont brought her back she was in her mind and saw the broken shards that represented her telepathy. I think thta is also a representation of her fractured psyche. This is a woman who went through drastic changes and no one really ever asked how she felt nor did she really ever ask herself. It all plays into everything she has gone through in her life from Slaymaster, to mojo, Kwannon, hell even to the exiles. Once she fill the cracks in her mind and rediscovers who she is and what she really wants, everything will be restored.

[psycwave]

Why did she have clevage even in wraps
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ac-7.jpg

Shadow form
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ad-6.jpg

Im glad she noticed the focused totality thing got old
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ae-4.jpg

We love you Betsy
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/aaa-1.jpg

[Phil Hunn]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ai-2.jpg http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ak.jpg

I like these two the best - the first one I'm surprised I like at all, given the allusion to her Hand outfit (but the hair is nice, and she looks pretty sexy), but the second one I've always liked because of the way she's depicted as tough but extremely feminine at the same time (I even had that pic as my desktop wallpaper for a while).

[Tazirai]

I like these two the best - the first one I'm surprised I like at all, given the allusion to her Hand outfit (but the hair is nice, and she looks pretty sexy), but the second one I've always liked because of the way she's depicted as tough but extremely feminine at the same time (I even had that pic as my desktop wallpaper for a while).

Me too ^^.

http://fc06.deviantart.com/images3/i/2004/149/6/4/Niniri__s_Psykeye.jpg

[DDM]

I personally think Betsy still has her tp. When claremont brought her back she was in her mind and saw the broken shards that represented her telepathy. I think thta is also a representation of her fractured psyche. This is a woman who went through drastic changes and no one really ever asked how she felt nor did she really ever ask herself. It all plays into everything she has gone through in her life from Slaymaster, to mojo, Kwannon, hell even to the exiles. Once she fill the cracks in her mind and rediscovers who she is and what she really wants, everything will be restored.

Kwannon is not needed to "fix" Betsy; her inclusion would simply add more confusion to Betsy's characterization.

[Bingo!]

I actually like your idea Jarrod. But i don't know how i feel about Betsy not being a mutant...perhaps her mutation could be due to her otherworld heritage.

Last I heard Betsy was not, is not a mutant. Her powers were derived either from manipulation by Merlyn or from a psychic attack by Synne. It's rather confusing, considering the numerous times Betsy has been referred to as mutant.

[psycwave]

Last I heard Betsy was not, is not a mutant. Her powers were derived either from manipulation by Merlyn or from a psychic attack by Synne. It's rather confusing, considering the numerous times Betsy has been referred to as mutant.

Ach. I've heard all that blasphemy before. I just refuse to accept it. Dunno why.

[Bingo!]

Kwannon is not needed to "fix" Betsy; her inclusion would simply add more confusion to Betsy's characterization.

I'd like to see a Betsy and Spiral story again. My dream would be for Spiral to abduct Betsy from Exiles. She'd laugh at all the junk that's accumulated inside her master's pet. In a frenzied song and dance her six arms would remove any remaining elements of Kwannon, Crimson Dawn, and Jean's TK.

[psycwave]

I'd like to see a Betsy and Spiral story again. My dream would be for Spiral to abduct Betsy from Exiles. She'd laugh at all the junk that's accumulated inside her master's pet. In a frenzied song and dance her six arms would remove any remaining elements of Kwannon, Crimson Dawn, and Jean's TK.

Interesting. Perhaps she reveals that she is responsibly for all the muck-ups in Betts life because she is jealous that mojo has always favored psylocke over her for some rason and the first time they met Betts beat her. Then in a naked death match Betsy kicks Spiral's behind and all the crap thats happened to her over the years is nullified. I LOVE IT!!!

[Tazirai]

I'd like to see a Betsy and Spiral story again. My dream would be for Spiral to abduct Betsy from Exiles. She'd laugh at all the junk that's accumulated inside her master's pet. In a frenzied song and dance her six arms would remove any remaining elements of Kwannon, Crimson Dawn, and Jean's TK.



Interesting. Perhaps she reveals that she is responsibly for all the muck-ups in Betts life because she is jealous that mojo has always favored psylocke over her for some rason and the first time they met Betts beat her. Then in a naked death match Betsy kicks Spiral's behind and all the crap thats happened to her over the years is nullified. I LOVE IT!!!


I did a short fanfic not long ago abotu Psylocke Revanche and the whole thing.

It starred Mojo, Spiral, Jamie, Kwannon, and Betsy.

In the story we get spiral sitting in a room admiring her handiwork throughout the years. She harkens back to a Mojo Favorite.. Psylocke, and wonders what the hell ever happened to her.

Flash forward a month later, and Spiral is in disguise having a conversation with Matsuo, about kwannon, and Psylocke. She wants to know how the body swap worked. He explains to her what happened.

Jamie being the controlling bloke what 'e is, has been keeping tabs on anyone who has played a major part in his Siblings lives. In his mind there has to be at least one Braddock, who isnt in someway nuts.

He devises a plan.

Flash forward 1 week, Matsuo receives a call from a certain Kwannon, They meet, confusion follows, and Jamie "disguised as spiral " appears. He hints to Kwannon, in British form that he'd like an exchange.

Psylocke, having never left the 616, is out rediscovering life, and as a Telekinetic.
Thought flash, She senses Kwannon. With Beast and Storm in tow, she flies to Japan. Little does she know that Spiral has been keeping tabs on her.

What happens is Jamie appeared to Spiral in Matsuo's form, Now he's appeared to Matsuo in spirals form, after reviving Kwannon. He wants his sister whole again, unfortunately, even he can't undo spirals body shoppe magic.

He plans to have The real spiral return his sister to her original form, and permanently sever the ties to Kwannon. So he leads Everyone on a grand farce.

In Japan Psylocke,Beast, and Storm encounter Kwannon, Matsuo, All are confused. Spiral appears, then spiral appears again "really Jamie". Spiral feeling as though she's been played a fool, kidnaps the lot of them and instead ot undoing her handiwork, intends to kill em all.

Not wanting to be played the foul, Jamie gets his brother involved, Heroic fighting and rescuing ensues. Kwannon is given her old body back, Betsy hers also. Each retains a semblance of their fighting prowess and original power. Jamie being the smug sod e is, pats himself on the back, until he realizes he now owes a debt to spiral.

What none of them realizes is that Mojo has just garnered his HIGHEST ratings yet, and now he has two stars in Kwannon and Psylocke.

I wrote this last year, Wish i could find the file ^^.

shameless .. I know :tongue:

[Flameworthy]

Shadow form
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ad-6.jpg

Im glad she noticed the focused totality thing got old
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ae-4.jpg

We love you Betsy
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/aaa-1.jpg

This is probably the only other time other than during the Revanche storyline that I actually really liked Asian Betsy. I have to admit this story was awesome.

Oh, and your fanfic is neat Tazirai, especially since it involves the return of Kwannon.:biggrin:

[DDM]

Last I heard Betsy was not, is not a mutant. Her powers were derived either from manipulation by Merlyn or from a psychic attack by Synne. It's rather confusing, considering the numerous times Betsy has been referred to as mutant.

Psylocke is a mutant; her telepathy could manifest as a physical manifestation to dent steel as her psycho-blast. Later, Betsy manifested her psycho-blaster powers as her psychic knife.

Normal Otherworld telepaths possess no such ability.

[DDM]

I'd like to see a Betsy and Spiral story again. My dream would be for Spiral to abduct Betsy from Exiles. She'd laugh at all the junk that's accumulated inside her master's pet. In a frenzied song and dance her six arms would remove any remaining elements of Kwannon, Crimson Dawn, and Jean's TK.

Mojo really views Psylocke as his toy--not Spiral. Spiral is Mojo's slave too.

[jarrod]

Psylocke is a mutant; her telepathy could manifest as a physical manifestation to dent steel as her psycho-blast. Later, Betsy manifested her psycho-blaster powers as her psychic knife.

Normal Otherworld telepaths possess no such ability.
Roma tricks! None of the Braddocks are mutants! :wink:

[psycwave]

Roma tricks! None of the Braddocks are mutants! :wink:

Except Betsy.:smile:

[Phil Hunn]

Last I heard Betsy was not, is not a mutant. Her powers were derived either from manipulation by Merlyn or from a psychic attack by Synne. It's rather confusing, considering the numerous times Betsy has been referred to as mutant.

Well, I think she's been labelled a mutant because it's a simpler label than "magically-created Otherworld resident who may or may not have been created by Merlyn".

Whether it's a better label is open to question...

[psycwave]

Roma tricks! None of the Braddocks are mutants! :wink:

Why don't you want Betsy to be a mutant?

[Phil Hunn]

Why don't you want Betsy to be a mutant?

Because she isn't one? :wink:

[psycwave]

Because she isn't one?

Ach its blasphemy.....anyways here are scans of alternate Betsy
DoFP
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/aa-9.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ab-8.jpg

Earth X
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ac-8.jpg

Ummmm....Aoa(Ugh)
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ad-7.jpg

[pryde15]

I love the costume she wore in AoA revisit. I would love to see her wear that, or the one she wore in HoM. :smile:

[metalgorgomon]

I love the costume she wore in AoA revisit. I would love to see her wear that, or the one she wore in HoM. :smile:

I love the HOM costume. I think the AOA costume kinda suits her if she's joining X-Force.

[psycwave]

HoM Betsy
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ag-3.jpg

Ultimate
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ai-3.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/ah-3.jpg

[pryde15]

I love the HOM costume. I think the AOA costume kinda suits her if she's joining X-Force.

Yeah your right. But either would work, really.

[Flameworthy]

I was really disappointed and confused at how she was Asian in AoA. That reality was completely different from 616, so how was it possible that similar events occurred to where she had a body switch in this reality too?

[DDM]

I was really disappointed and confused at how she was Asian in AoA. That reality was completely different from 616, so how was it possible that similar events occurred to where she had a body switch in this reality too?

Read the original story. It's hinted Psylocke never joined the X-Men & died sometime long before or she is one of the disembodied telepaths employed by Apocalypse. In other words, Psylocke is dead in this reality. And Jean never became Phoenix in this reality. There's just too many fundamental continuity problems with the AOA Anniversary...

[Bronze Badger]

I forgot how good Warren Ellis was on Excalibur.....Bring back Tangerine!

[Flameworthy]

Read the original story. It's hinted Psylocke never joined the X-Men & died sometime long before or she is one of the disembodied telepaths employed by Apocalypse. In other words, Psylocke is dead in this reality. And Jean never became Phoenix in this reality. There's just too many fundamental continuity problems with the AOA Anniversary...

Yes, I know that was the intent for Psylocke in the original, but obviously that's not what happened in the mini. I thought the mini was horrible, mind you. So we agree on something other than mine and your latent love for Kwannon.:smile:

[psycwave]

I just thought of something three of the main things Psylocke fans dislike are 1)her being turned into a japanese woman, 2)losing her telepathy and gaining telekinesis, and 3)the crimson dawn. out of the three which one would you rather have retconned before all else?

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[Bingo!]

I did a short fanfic not long ago abotu Psylocke Revanche and the whole thing.

It starred Mojo, Spiral, Jamie, Kwannon, and Betsy.

In the story we get spiral sitting in a room admiring her handiwork throughout the years. She harkens back to a Mojo Favorite.. Psylocke, and wonders what the hell ever happened to her.

Flash forward a month later, and Spiral is in disguise having a conversation with Matsuo, about kwannon, and Psylocke. She wants to know how the body swap worked. He explains to her what happened.

Jamie being the controlling bloke what 'e is, has been keeping tabs on anyone who has played a major part in his Siblings lives. In his mind there has to be at least one Braddock, who isnt in someway nuts.

He devises a plan.

Flash forward 1 week, Matsuo receives a call from a certain Kwannon, They meet, confusion follows, and Jamie "disguised as spiral " appears. He hints to Kwannon, in British form that he'd like an exchange.

Psylocke, having never left the 616, is out rediscovering life, and as a Telekinetic.
Thought flash, She senses Kwannon. With Beast and Storm in tow, she flies to Japan. Little does she know that Spiral has been keeping tabs on her.

What happens is Jamie appeared to Spiral in Matsuo's form, Now he's appeared to Matsuo in spirals form, after reviving Kwannon. He wants his sister whole again, unfortunately, even he can't undo spirals body shoppe magic.

He plans to have The real spiral return his sister to her original form, and permanently sever the ties to Kwannon. So he leads Everyone on a grand farce.

In Japan Psylocke,Beast, and Storm encounter Kwannon, Matsuo, All are confused. Spiral appears, then spiral appears again "really Jamie". Spiral feeling as though she's been played a fool, kidnaps the lot of them and instead ot undoing her handiwork, intends to kill em all.

Not wanting to be played the foul, Jamie gets his brother involved, Heroic fighting and rescuing ensues. Kwannon is given her old body back, Betsy hers also. Each retains a semblance of their fighting prowess and original power. Jamie being the smug sod e is, pats himself on the back, until he realizes he now owes a debt to spiral.

What none of them realizes is that Mojo has just garnered his HIGHEST ratings yet, and now he has two stars in Kwannon and Psylocke.

I wrote this last year, Wish i could find the file ^^.

I'd like to see a Betsy and Spiral story again. My dream would be for Spiral to abduct Betsy from Exiles. She'd laugh at all the junk that's accumulated inside her master's pet. In a frenzied song and dance her six arms would remove any remaining elements of Kwannon, Crimson Dawn, and Jean's TK.

The difference between the two is that I want Spiral to remove everything and anything that she didn't already do to Betsy. Spiral doesn't like sloppy work.

Your story is great though, less of a retcon than mine.

[jarrod]

Crimson Dawn's already been written out, so that mess doesn't bother me. I'd go for making her english again, I don't mind the teke.


And DOFTense Betsy was HOTT!

[.LuckyStar.]

I just thought of something three of the main things Psylocke fans dislike are 1)her being turned into a japanese woman, 2)losing her telepathy and gaining telekinesis, and 3)the crimson dawn. out of the three which one would you rather have retconned before all else?

I'd choose 1) her being turned into a japanese woman
sheer nonsense, do you have to look or be either chinese or japanese to be a ninja and/or learn fighting skills?

[Anon_me]

I just thought of something three of the main things Psylocke fans dislike are 1)her being turned into a japanese woman, 2)losing her telepathy and gaining telekinesis, and 3)the crimson dawn. out of the three which one would you rather have retconned before all else?

I'm torn...I liked her much better as a telepath but the Crimson Dawn tattoo is fugly as all gets out.

[Saturius]

I'd choose 1) her being turned into a japanese woman
sheer nonsense, do you have to look or be either chinese or japanese to be a ninja and/or learn fighting skills?

Her being turned Chinese made sense storyline wise at the time. I don't want this to come across as a huge negative or anything, but Chinese/Japanese people can be very xenophobic. I've had first hand experience. So when the Mandarin changed her to be Chinese so others would better listen to her, that made sense. So she wasn't really changed Chinese just so she could gain instant fighting skills. Since it was supposed to be temporary, her being turned Asian didn't really seem like that big a deal at the time, but now taking into account her post transformation career, this change was definitely the worst. It allowed writers to be FAR too lazy when it came to characterizing her. The focus of her being a capable telepath. Gone. Replaced by the one trick "focused totality of my telepathic powers." Focus on strong characterization. Gone. Replaced by thong body suit and extreme T & A. It wasn't all bad and I still love Asian Betsy( second fave after Storm) but I feel her character could have been even better had she remained caucasian.

[DDM]

I just thought of something three of the main things Psylocke fans dislike are 1)her being turned into a japanese woman, 2)losing her telepathy and gaining telekinesis, and 3)the crimson dawn. out of the three which one would you rather have retconned before all else?

The Crimson Dawn mess has be written out since she died in X-Treme X-Men #2 & her resurrection in Uncanny X-Men #455; therefore, I would go to restoring her back to her original body & her own telepathy at the same time.

Originally, I loved the all new, all different ninja Psylocke since it was clear to me Chris Claremont had a definite plan for Betsy (apparently to return to her original body down the road after she became an action junkie & a liability to the team). But Psylocke's ninja Asian form has been abused by too many writers just turning Betsy into wallpaper/sex object with no other purpose.

Psylocke's character under Claremont really turned into a butterfly as all the genteel aspects was slowly washed away over time culminating in Lady Mandarin. I have never seen a telepath written in such a physical manner to combine her abilities effectively. I really enjoyed Psylocke's psychic knife when she used it on her foes.

[.LuckyStar.]

Her being turned Chinese made sense storyline wise at the time. I don't want this to come across as a huge negative or anything, but Chinese/Japanese people can be very xenophobic. I've had first hand experience. So when the Mandarin changed her to be Chinese so others would better listen to her, that made sense. So she wasn't really changed Chinese just so she could gain instant fighting skills.

That actually makes sense. The one thing I never get it either is why turn Psylocke into Landy Mandarin when The Hand could do the same thing with real Chinese/Japenese women? I've read Acts of Vengeance in English only, as it's not my langague, it was a very confusing reading :frown:

[Anon_me]

But Psylocke's ninja Asian form has been abused by too many writers just turning Betsy into wallpaper/sex object with no other purpose.

Don't be silly...without Besty, the non-Jean team would have to resort to verbal communication via devices which could be tapped by their enemies.

That actually makes sense. The one thing I never get it either is why turn Psylocke into Landy Mandarin when The Hand could do the same thing with real Chinese/Japenese women? I've read Acts of Vengeance in English only, as it's not my langague, it was a very confusing reading :frown:

Probably because she was a powerful telepath who had first-hand knowledge of the X-men; and she landed on their lap after coming out of the Siege Perilous a tabula rasa.

[Saturius]

Probably because she was a powerful telepath who had first-hand knowledge of the X-men.

I doubt The Hand really cared about her connection to the X-Men. They weren't The Hand's primary enemy. They Hand only had a beef with Wolverine, but them choosing Psylocke had nothing to do with that. It was actually all just by chance. She showed up on their doorstep and they didn't look a gift horse in the mouth. But yeah, her being a powerful telepath was the main reason they chose her over some no name telepath in their employ. They say so right in the story. They wanted an operative who could read minds a slay with a thought. I'm sure they had psi-sensitives in their organization, but Psylocke surpassed them all in skill and power. When you want a job done, you get the best. Psylocke was always meant to be a powerful telepath, but you probably wouldn't know that if you only read her post transformation stories where her telepathic prowess is really de-emphasized.

[DDM]

That actually makes sense. The one thing I never get it either is why turn Psylocke into Landy Mandarin when The Hand could do the same thing with real Chinese/Japenese women? I've read Acts of Vengeance in English only, as it's not my langague, it was a very confusing reading :frown:

Uncanny X-Men #256 has several different things going on at once:

1) Mojo & Spiral seem to be the real thing--not psychic projections. Mojo also talks about giving Betsy "inner eyes" to match the bionic eyes he gave her since she can't walk the Wildways without them. Mojo & Spiral also seem to influence Betsy's battle with Slaymaster since it was going the way it did in the real when she nearly died. Spiral says to Mojo, "Twist up a rewrite." Mojo does & Psylocke wins after Slaymaster is revealed to be the Mandarin, but she kills the Mandain within her mind. Her true alligence--unkown to Hand & Psylocke herself--seems to be as Mojo's slave. Betsy's bionic eyes are important here given Mojo & Spiral would not be in Betsy's mind without them.

2) The story really is a summarized event of Betsy's life from child to adult with a parallel of foreshadowing of the other X-Men who went into the Siege Perilous (Colossus, Rogue, Havok, & Dazzler).

3) The Hand seemingly transforms Betsy's body into a Eurasian, but is this true? Or is something else happening?

I have had to reread Uncanny X-Men #256 numerous times to absorb all the subtle details, & English is my native language!

[DDM]

I doubt The Hand really cared about her connection to the X-Men. They weren't The Hand's primary enemy. They Hand only had a beef with Wolverine, but them choosing Psylocke had nothing to do with that. It was actually all just by chance. She showed up on their doorstep and they didn't look a gift horse in the mouth. But yeah, her being a powerful telepath was the main reason they chose her over some no name telepath in their employ. They say so right in the story. They wanted an operative who could read minds a slay with a thought. I'm sure they had psi-sensitives in their organization, but Psylocke surpassed them all in skill and power. When you want a job done, you get the best. Psylocke was always meant to be a powerful telepath, but you probably wouldn't know that if you only read her post transformation stories where her telepathic prowess is really de-emphasized.

Chris Claremont combined Psylocke's telepathy & ninja skills effectively right after her transformation; it was after he left Uncanny X-Men & X-Men other writers de-emphasized her telepathy save her psychic knife...

[Bingo!]

Psylocke's character under Claremont really turned into a butterfly as all the genteel aspects was slowly washed away over time culminating in Lady Mandarin. I have never seen a telepath written in such a physical manner to combine her abilities effectively. I really enjoyed Psylocke's psychic knife when she used it on her foes.

Her psychic knife was the coolest concept for a telepath. Whlie others could only fight on the astral plane Psylocke shanked people in the head with her telepathy.

*sigh*

I can't wait til I can read her back in continuity with the other X-Men.

[Anon_me]

Her psychic knife was the coolest concept for a telepath. Whlie others could only fight on the astral plane Psylocke shanked people in the head with her telepathy.

*sigh*

I can't wait til I can read her back in continuity with the other X-Men.

It would have been much cooler if she didn't explain what it was every time she used it =p

[Saturius]

Psylocke's psi knife WAS cool, but when that becomes all you do with your telepathy, it gets really old. Fast. It should have been used sparingly, not 24/7.

[Bingo!]

It would have been much cooler if she didn't explain what it was every time she used it =p

haha! True. For some some reason all heroes during that time needed to remind themselves and their enemies what their powers did.

[Anon_me]

Mostly Psylocke since every time she was getting ready to knife and/or just knifed someone, she would make reference to "the focused totality of my telepathy". Cyclops never went around going "Hodge was just incapcitated by the totality of my energy absorbing abilities" =p

[Bingo!]

Mostly Psylocke since every time she was getting ready to knife and/or just knifed someone, she would make reference to "the focused totality of my telepathy". Cyclops never went around going "Hodge was just incapcitated by the totality of my energy absorbing abilities" =p

Rogue could never walk near a person without whining about her coma inducing touch.

[metalgorgomon]

Chris Claremont combined Psylocke's telepathy & ninja skills effectively right after her transformation; it was after he left Uncanny X-Men & X-Men other writers de-emphasized her telepathy save her psychic knife...

That's so true.. Uncanny #256 - #258 and the X-Men #1 - #7 were some awesome examples of how great the ninja-telepath Psylocke was.

I don't mind some sexification of Psylocke. She's one sexy gal after all. But it should be done in balance with her characterization as well. I have to admit, I so want her to be in Cap Brit & MI:13 right now...

[Bingo!]

That's so true.. Uncanny #256 - #258 and the X-Men #1 - #7 were some awesome examples of how great the ninja-telepath Psylocke was.

I don't mind some sexification of Psylocke. She's one sexy gal after all. But it should be done in balance with her characterization as well. I have to admit, I so want her to be in Cap Brit & MI:13 right now...

I second that.

If only Merlin could pull Betsy out of Claremont's clutches.

[metalgorgomon]

I second that.

If only Merlin could pull Betsy out of Claremont's clutches.

Hopefully he already forgive her for kicking his ass back at DBTS and pull some strings to get her back to 616.
Nevertheless, he and Brian rocked in the last issue of Cap Brit&MI.

[Leirus]

Mostly Psylocke since every time she was getting ready to knife and/or just knifed someone, she would make reference to "the focused totality of my telepathy". Cyclops never went around going "Hodge was just incapcitated by the totality of my energy absorbing abilities" =p

Eh, Eh, respect, is "The focused totality of my psychic power!" :wink: ... but how many times have we had Sam saying that he is invulnerable when flying? By now every villian between here and the Shi-ar throneworld should know...

Anyways, Merlyn is back and he is a good guy again, so maybe Betsy could get involved with some of the action in MI:13? It seems logic !!

The story with Ogun is kind interessant, but I want her back in 616 where she belongs (sort of)

[Tazirai]

I just thought of something three of the main things Psylocke fans dislike are 1)her being turned into a japanese woman, 2)losing her telepathy and gaining telekinesis, and 3)the crimson dawn. out of the three which one would you rather have retconned before all else?

In the Beginning most of us, didn't mind the asian switch since we thought it was cool at first. Then it seemed that it would be altered back to the original her. That didnt happen. Then they turned her into a posing , "focused..blah blah blah", sex slut.

I dont mind the TK that much, it's just that she does far to many amazing things with her powers, yet still can't win a fight. With TP she was in my opinion a much better warrior, even when she was" weak" (which I dont think she was).

The Crimson Dawn..never liked it.

[jarrod]

Actually... I'd like the change the mutant retcon. ;)

[psycwave]

Actually... I'd like the change the mutant retcon. ;)

That is not an option:mad:

[Phil Hunn]

I was really disappointed and confused at how she was Asian in AoA. That reality was completely different from 616, so how was it possible that similar events occurred to where she had a body switch in this reality too?

I know! That's presumably the whole reason she was left out of the first one - to have her English there was obviously going to be contradictory to her current ethnic status, which the editors would want to avoid.

Speculation at the time was that she was one of the "Brains Trust" keeping the mutants in Apocalypse's slave pens docile. And frankly, I prefer that idea to what happened in that AoA sequel - a story so hamfistedly stupid it was like I was looking at the comics through a Retard-O-Scope - Rogue's son Charles wears a freakin' Spider-Man t-shirt, when Peter Parker is dead in the AoA (Illyana is looked after in the pens by Aunt May, who talks about her nephew dying)...

[Anon_me]

I dont mind the TK that much, it's just that she does far to many amazing things with her powers, yet still can't win a fight. With TP she was in my opinion a much better warrior, even when she was" weak" (which I dont think she was).

Definitely one of my main bones of contention with Psylocke. Even given that she's an action junkie and prone to jump in fists first, she should not be the punching bag of everyone above third-string extra status.

[DDM]

Definitely one of my main bones of contention with Psylocke. Even given that she's an action junkie and prone to jump in fists first, she should not be the punching bag of everyone above third-string extra status.

Part of the reason I believe Betsy is a punching bag is she is still not used to her telekinesis. She's still acting like she possess telepathy.

[psycwave]

Maybe she forgot how to fight and that is why CC is going to have Ogun reteach her.

[Anon_me]

Maybe she forgot how to fight and that is why CC is going to have Ogun reteach her.

She took out that squadron of Dino-men pretty easily, so I doubt it.

[Tazirai]

Maybe she forgot how to fight and that is why CC is going to have Ogun reteach her.

She hasn't forgotten how to fight. She's forgotten how to THINK Before fighting.

[psycwave]

She hasn't forgotten how to fight. She's forgotten how to THINK Before fighting.

Thats what it is!!!!

[DDM]

She hasn't forgotten how to fight. She's forgotten how to THINK Before fighting.

Chris Claremont keeps coming back to Betsy's action junkie theme.

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[Phil Hunn]

Chris Claremont keeps coming back to Betsy's action junkie theme.

I don't mind that so much as the fact that for someone who's supposedly such a top-level warrior, Betsy certainly gets her arse handed to her on a disturbingly regular basis.

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Heh. Hang ten, Betsy! :biggrin:

[psycwave]

I don't mind that so much as the fact that for someone who's supposedly such a top-level warrior, Betsy certainly gets her arse handed to her on a disturbingly regular basis.



Heh. Hang ten, Betsy! :biggrin:

Indeed.......

[Waterlily]

Is this Besty?

http://shadedgrey.com/ericnguyen/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/psylocke.jpg

[psycwave]

Is this Besty?

http://shadedgrey.com/ericnguyen/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/psylocke.jpg

OMG!!!! Maybe!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THIS IMAGE LILY!?

[pryde15]

I think it's Betsy. I see the X, and what looks to be the odd boots she had with the toothfloss costume.

[.LuckyStar.]

Wow... it's definitely the bathing suit :eek: where is it from?

Maybe this has something to do with:
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and
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[metalgorgomon]

Is this Besty?

http://shadedgrey.com/ericnguyen/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/psylocke.jpg

OMG.. Tha'ts definitely Psylocke. Here's the complete url:

http://shadedgrey.com/ericnguyen/?p=7

Eric Nguyen is an artist that do covers for Marvel, isn't he? Hopefully that picture is an indication for future 616 project covers...

[Waterlily]

OMG!!!! Maybe!!!! WHERE DID YOU GET THIS IMAGE LILY!?

What metalgorgomon said. I did a image search on google.

[Leirus]

What metalgorgomon said. I did a image search on google.

The bald head with a Skrully chin... uh? What the hell is this?

[metalgorgomon]

What metalgorgomon said. I did a image search on google.

Thanks for the picture earlier, Waterlily.

Bald head = Skrull Xavier? A cover from future X-Men Legacy??

I can see Wolverine at the background. Can't see other characters though..

Does this mean that Psylocke will do some undercover stuff??
Aarggh... Can't wait for 2009..

[Leirus]

Thanks for the picture earlier, Waterlily.

Bald head = Skrull Xavier? A cover from future X-Men Legacy??

I can see Wolverine at the background. Can't see other characters though..

Does this mean that Psylocke will do some undercover stuff??
Aarggh... Can't wait for 2009..

Um, I do not know what to do of this... there is the link to the site

http://shadedgrey.com/ericnguyen/

But there isnt any incation with the pic... there is also another one of the YXM with strange new characters... hum...

[Tazirai]

That's a good pic.. just hope it's not a return to butt floss.

[metalgorgomon]

Just found this picture. Drawn by Ed Benes.

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[Dagger]

Chris Claremont keeps coming back to Betsy's action junkie theme.
That's why I'm so glad we see an end to Claremont's mishandling of her by years end!!!

Viva la Betsy!!! I hope C&C treat her right! Give her back her telepathy!!!

[metalgorgomon]

That's why I'm so glad we see an end to Claremont's mishandling of her by years end!!!

Viva la Betsy!!! I hope C&C treat her right! Give her back her telepathy!!!


Do you know that for sure?? OMG.. I'm so stoked for the news.. Please let it be true..

Where did you get the news, Dagger?

[Tazirai]

Do you know that for sure?? OMG.. I'm so stoked for the news.. Please let it be true..

Where did you get the news, Dagger?

I'd like to know...

[psycwave]

Do you know that for sure?? OMG.. I'm so stoked for the news.. Please let it be true..

Where did you get the news, Dagger?

I'd like to know...

As would i........

[metalgorgomon]

Let's assume that she'll be back to 616 at the end of 2008. If that's true, we'll probably going to 'lose' her in New Exiles at the end of the current arc (issue #10)

Maybe we can count on Mr Yost's line: "hopefully she can make the cut (no pun intended)"

In the meanwhile.. found this on the net

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Credit to aridante (the blog owner/artist who drew it).

[psycwave]

Oh yeah i like that metal. I hope she does get into X-force. To tell the truth i actually do not want her Mi:13. I dont know why.

[metalgorgomon]

Oh yeah i like that metal. I hope she does get into X-force. To tell the truth i actually do not want her Mi:13. I dont know why.

I like that picture too. It was called Psylocke 'Hybrid'. Probably cause Betsy's in an English body wearing the Asian/Ninja suit.

I think she's going to be in a good hand, being in MI:13. And it will give her more exposure to the Marvel Universe/Marvel UK. Trust me, MI:13 is a good book. At least for now :smile:

You probably don't like it cause the book is not considered as an X-Book (not mutant-centric)?? I'm fine with whichever book she'll end up to. As long as she's back to 616. MI:13 and X-Force are my top choice for her though...and of course, whatever book Carey'll write in 2009.

[psycwave]

I like that picture too. It was called Psylocke 'Hybrid'. Probably cause Betsy's in an English body wearing the Asian/Ninja suit.

I think she's going to be in a good hand, being in MI:13. And it will give her more exposure to the Marvel Universe/Marvel UK. Trust me, MI:13 is a good book. At least for now :smile:

You probably don't like it cause the book is not considered as an X-Book (not mutant-centric)?? I'm fine with whichever book she'll end up to. As long as she's back to 616. MI:13 and X-Force are my top choice for her though...and of course, whatever book Carey'll write in 2009.

Yeah maybe thats it. Im more "X-centric" at the moment and i want to see her there if only to see her reaction to not being around for Messiah complex and all the stuff thats happening.

[Dagger]

Do you know that for sure?? OMG.. I'm so stoked for the news.. Please let it be true..

Where did you get the news, Dagger?
Let's just say a very reliable source.

[metalgorgomon]

Let's just say a very reliable source.

And let's just say that she's going to meet Archangel??? :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

[wonderland]

However she comes back, these appear to be exciting times..:biggrin: Hopefully she'l be back for the next 'event' which seems to be xmen related.

[CmX]

I was hoping this would be officially announced already, but I think they're going to try and surprise us in the next few months.

[Phil Hunn]

Viva la Betsy!!! I hope C&C treat her right! Give her back her telepathy!!!

Kyle & Yost will do nothing of the sort, I imagine. They'll just go down their one tired road of "bloodshed = angst = bloodshed", and Betsy will be ruined and turned into a blood-soaked, self-loathing mess just like Archangel, Wolverine, Warpath, Wolfsbane & X-23.

No, she should be with her brother in Captain Britain & MI:13, because that's being written by a GOOD writer, who has more than one string to his bow.

[jarrod]

If she's really returning, I'm torn as to where I'd want her... looking at the options...

MI-13 This would actually be an excellent book for her I think. Close with her brother, working for British Intelligence again, slapping down Wisdom's advances... it'd be great. And I bet Cornell would do a good job relating Betsy back to her Otherworld heritage (possibly even reversing the mutant retcon?). Whatever he does, at least she'd be in good hands.


Uncanny The flagship. It'd be nice to see her reunited with the X-Men, and maybe there'd be decent shot of getting my wanted Kurt/Betsy romance on panel! On the downside, the book's looking crowded as is, and outside Kurt and Logan, none of the characters Betsy was closer to (Ororo, Warren, Rogue, Hank, Rachel, Neil, etc) look like they'll really be focal in Uncanny's future. Brubaker's still questionable quality wise at this point too imo, even with Fraction there to refine things.


Astonishing Well, I'd certainly love it but with Emma and Ororo there, it might be a bit redundant having Betsy playing the role either of them likely would already. Still, Ellis has written a great Betsy before, but he seems pretty much set with what he want to do at this point...


X-Force A bit bloodthirsty maybe, but Betsy's proved herself ruthless before. Character wise this may actually be the best fit given her close friendship with Logan, her past relationship with Warren and the spark she and X-23 briefly shared. Yost had a great handle on her during his NEX fill in, I'd certainly like to see more.


Young Eh, not really a good fit. Maybe if Greymalkin was somehow related to Doug, but that's the only real connection I can see here.


Legacy Shades of The End? I could see Betsy working here if Carey really wanted it, but she'll probably go to a team instead. Besides, this is where Tessa should go. :wink:

[Waterlily]

If she's really returning, I'm torn as to where I'd want her... looking at the options...

MI-13 This would actually be an excellent book for her I think. Close with her brother, working for British Intelligence again, slapping down Wisdom's advances... it'd be great. And I bet Cornell would do a good job relating Betsy back to her Otherworld heritage (possibly even reversing the mutant retcon?). Whatever he does, at least she'd be in good hands.


Uncanny The flagship. It'd be nice to see her reunited with the X-Men, and maybe there'd be decent shot of getting my wanted Kurt/Betsy romance on panel! On the downside, the book's looking crowded as is, and outside Kurt and Logan, none of the characters Betsy was closer to (Ororo, Warren, Rogue, Hank, Rachel, Neil, etc) look like they'll really be focal in Uncanny's future. Brubaker's still questionable quality wise at this point too imo, even with Fraction there to refine things.


Astonishing Well, I'd certainly love it but with Emma and Ororo there, it might be a bit redundant having Betsy playing the role either of them likely would already. Still, Ellis has written a great Betsy before, but he seems pretty much set with what he want to do at this point...


X-Force A bit bloodthirsty maybe, but Betsy's proved herself ruthless before. Character wise this may actually be the best fit given her close friendship with Logan, her past relationship with Warren and the spark she and X-23 briefly shared. Yost had a great handle on her during his NEX fill in, I'd certainly like to see more.


Young Eh, not really a good fit. Maybe if Greymalkin was somehow related to Doug, but that's the only real connection I can see here.


Legacy Shades of The End? I could see Betsy working here if Carey really wanted it, but she'll probably go to a team instead. Besides, this is where Tessa should go. :wink:

From your list, I'd say MI-13 sounds the best. Esp if they depict her like she is in the picture I posted earlier.

[psycwave]

Dazz is in Uncanny and she and Betts had a great friendship in the Aussie days. How i miss the Aussie days....Maybe the reason I don't want Betts in Mi:13 is because i never realized how much i dislike Brian. He is really annoying.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Where has this return rumour sprung from? What did I miss?

[Waterlily]

Dagger, I think

[Flameworthy]

Eh, I really rather Betsy be in X-Men Legacy so Carey can tell his story with her and Kwannon.

[Bingo!]

Where has this return rumour sprung from? What did I miss?

Yes, I must know where this Betsy information is coming from!!!

[Tazirai]

Kyle & Yost will do nothing of the sort, I imagine. They'll just go down their one tired road of "bloodshed = angst = bloodshed", and Betsy will be ruined and turned into a blood-soaked, self-loathing mess just like Archangel, Wolverine, Warpath, Wolfsbane & X-23.

No, she should be with her brother in Captain Britain & MI:13, because that's being written by a GOOD writer, who has more than one string to his bow.

I agree with everything you said. Seriously Thor is one of my top books now, because it is extremely well written. In MI:13, Psylocke not onyl has a chance to shine, but to TRULY evolve into a "Storm, Invisible Woman " style character, WITHOUT being Buttfloss bait or catering to the jerk off crew.
As a White Woman she was hot, she just didnt dress slutty. You don't have to wear buttfloss to be sexy....although I guess it does help. :cool:

[cgar]

yah you my buddies and psylocke lovers. you got me all excited but maybe we are getting ahead of ourselves. anybody can say they have a reliable source. i have a reliable source. see there, see how i did that. hopefully she does return to 616 and is a part of the next x-men event but lets get more info first. and at the bottom of the pic it says posted march 30 or something. What like 4 months ago. So yah

[.LuckyStar.]

why would dagger lie if in a few months we're all gonna know Betsy's fate :confused: I believe him/her :redface:

[Stagier]

the costume originally wasn't butt floss, only after lee/silverstri left, that the fan boys went nutso on the backside. even the writers started making her sluttier.

that said, i hate how betsy's been handled the past few years.
even under claremont,
the tk thing was the worst move ever.

hopefully when she gets back away from the freakshow that is the exiles, she will be as ass kicking as i always think of her as!

[Dagger]

If she's really returning, I'm torn as to where I'd want her... looking at the options...

MI-13 This would actually be an excellent book for her I think. Close with her brother, working for British Intelligence again, slapping down Wisdom's advances... it'd be great. And I bet Cornell would do a good job relating Betsy back to her Otherworld heritage (possibly even reversing the mutant retcon?). Whatever he does, at least she'd be in good hands.


Uncanny The flagship. It'd be nice to see her reunited with the X-Men, and maybe there'd be decent shot of getting my wanted Kurt/Betsy romance on panel! On the downside, the book's looking crowded as is, and outside Kurt and Logan, none of the characters Betsy was closer to (Ororo, Warren, Rogue, Hank, Rachel, Neil, etc) look like they'll really be focal in Uncanny's future. Brubaker's still questionable quality wise at this point too imo, even with Fraction there to refine things.


Astonishing Well, I'd certainly love it but with Emma and Ororo there, it might be a bit redundant having Betsy playing the role either of them likely would already. Still, Ellis has written a great Betsy before, but he seems pretty much set with what he want to do at this point...


X-Force A bit bloodthirsty maybe, but Betsy's proved herself ruthless before. Character wise this may actually be the best fit given her close friendship with Logan, her past relationship with Warren and the spark she and X-23 briefly shared. Yost had a great handle on her during his NEX fill in, I'd certainly like to see more.


Young Eh, not really a good fit. Maybe if Greymalkin was somehow related to Doug, but that's the only real connection I can see here.


Legacy Shades of The End? I could see Betsy working here if Carey really wanted it, but she'll probably go to a team instead. Besides, this is where Tessa should go. :wink:
OMG, NOW I WANT HER ON ALL THESE TEAMS!!!!

[Phil Hunn]

I agree with everything you said. Seriously Thor is one of my top books now, because it is extremely well written. In MI:13, Psylocke not onyl has a chance to shine, but to TRULY evolve into a "Storm, Invisible Woman " style character, WITHOUT being Buttfloss bait or catering to the jerk off crew.
As a White Woman she was hot, she just didnt dress slutty. You don't have to wear buttfloss to be sexy....although I guess it does help. :cool:

Yeah, I'd trust Paul Cornell to write Betsy capably, and actually give her something decent to do other than pose while wearing cheesewire between her arse-cheeks...

why would dagger lie if in a few months we're all gonna know Betsy's fate :confused: I believe him/her :redface:

You haven't been on the internets very long, have you? :wink: I prefer not to believe stuff unless I'm seeing it right in front of me...

[.LuckyStar.]

You haven't been on the internets very long, have you? :wink: I prefer not to believe stuff unless I'm seeing it right in front of me...

I just desperately need to believe that in a few months I won't have to read New Exiles anymore. lol

[CmX]

I just desperately need to believe that in a few months I won't have to read New Exiles anymore. lol

You won't have to! Take Dagger and CmX's words for it. ;)

[cgar]

You won't have to! Take Dagger and CmX's words for it. ;)

OMG now you i believe. whats happening? whats going on? sorry dagger i see CmX's posts a lot more than yours. plus i believe in the psylocke love she/he has

oh i never said dagger was lying. just that we needed more info. so we wouldnt dissapoint ourselves

[Phil Hunn]

You won't have to! Take Dagger and CmX's words for it. ;)

In cases like this, I'm an empiricist. Show me evidence.

And not just hearsay, either.

[Tazirai]

In cases like this, I'm an empiricist. Show me evidence.

And not just hearsay, either.

Same here.. I wish I still had my Telepathy.. I'd just read your mind..


But Perhaps.. i can threaten to drop a mountain on ya?

[CmX]

It's cool if none of yall believe it lol just wait and see is all.

[metalgorgomon]

Now CMX knows something too?? First it's Steven, then Dagger.. and now CMX??

That has to be a some good news regarding Betsy...
I don't mind getting somesort of inside info myself :cool:

PM me please..:biggrin:

[xgeek52]

okay i've been through 15 of the 59 pages and my arms and fingers are tired...

anybody popped up with the image of her coming out of the shower with scott in the room...

[metalgorgomon]

okay i've been through 15 of the 59 pages and my arms and fingers are tired...

anybody popped up with the image of her coming out of the shower with scott in the room...


Because you demand it!!

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm1/metalgorgomon/Cyclops-XM17p19.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm1/metalgorgomon/Psylcoke-XM17p20.jpg

From X-Men #17.

I just realized that most of the 'slutty' Psylocke stories were not done by Claremont. Those pics that I posted are taken from an X-Men issue that are written by Fabian Nicieza. But, I think Nicieza never meant it to be Betsy, but some persona of Kwannon that influenced her.

[Tazirai]

Because you demand it!!

I just realized that most of the 'slutty' Psylocke stories were not done by Claremont. Those pics that I posted are taken from an X-Men issue that are written by Fabian Nicieza. But, I think Nicieza never meant it to be Betsy, but some persona of Kwannon that influenced her.


He's the Moron I credit with nearly single handed killing of the character. MOST of her bad changes happened under him.

[xgeek52]

*bows*

i thank you...

[metalgorgomon]

*bows*

i thank you...

No prob.. Now I gotta find the picture where Betsy apologized to Jean for being a bit 'off', especially regarding Scott :cool:

[jarrod]

He's the Moron I credit with nearly single handed killing of the character. MOST of her bad changes happened under him.
Lobdell helped, with the Crimson Dawn and Warren romance.

Pre Exiles, I actually liked what CC had done in Uncanny. He basically revived Betsy's character imo, though I'd like him to let go now all the same.

[Dagger]

OMG now you i believe. whats happening? whats going on? sorry dagger i see CmX's posts a lot more than yours. plus i believe in the psylocke love she/he has

oh i never said dagger was lying. just that we needed more info. so we wouldnt dissapoint ourselves
BASTARD!!! You all wound me. LOL. The info is coming, it's just going to be announced probably in the next few weeks.

[.LuckyStar.]

You won't have to! Take Dagger and CmX's words for it. ;)

Thank you, what a relief :biggrin:

Maybe we'll get some Betsy news at the next Comic-Con! *crosses fingers*

[$5 Milkshake]

BASTARD!!! You all wound me. LOL. The info is coming, it's just going to be announced probably in the next few weeks.

I believe in you! *Brown noses*

I came to the realization recently that I miss Psylocke. I really hope she's allowed escape from Claremont hell here soon.

[Dagger]

I believe in you! *Brown noses*

I came to the realization recently that I miss Psylocke. I really hope she's allowed escape from Claremont hell here soon.
I've been missing her hardcore, but I can't bring myself to read Claremont's version of her over in Exiles. It'd be supporting the abuse of one of my favorite characters, and this is one thing I just can not do.

[Dagger]

I believe in you! *Brown noses*

I came to the realization recently that I miss Psylocke. I really hope she's allowed escape from Claremont hell here soon.
I've been missing her hardcore, but I can't bring myself to read Claremont's version of her over in Exiles. It'd be supporting the abuse of one of my favorite characters, and this is one thing I just can not do.

[CmX]

I've been missing her hardcore, but I can't bring myself to read Claremont's version of her over in Exiles. It'd be supporting the abuse of one of my favorite characters, and this is one thing I just can not do.

Wow isn't it great dear darling Dagger? You and I have just brought joy into the hearts of these beautiful posters!

And to LuckyStar I'm not so sure it will be announced at the comicon...... I could be wrong but I doubt it. I think it's going to be a surprise or it will be announced elsewhere. But I dunno yet. :P

[CmX]

super sexual double post action

[Dagger]

Wow isn't it great dear darling Dagger? You and I have just brought joy into the hearts of these beautiful posters!

And to LuckyStar I'm not so sure it will be announced at the comicon...... I could be wrong but I doubt it. I think it's going to be a surprise or it will be announced elsewhere. But I dunno yet. :P
It is great! And I have to thank a very special someone who told me it, because he's never been wrong before! I wasn't supposed to let it leak out, but I just couldn't help myself. I had to share the exciting news with everyone!

[.LuckyStar.]

Wow isn't it great dear darling Dagger? You and I have just brought joy into the hearts of these beautiful posters!

And to LuckyStar I'm not so sure it will be announced at the comicon...... I could be wrong but I doubt it. I think it's going to be a surprise or it will be announced elsewhere. But I dunno yet. :P

Wow, can't wait for the surprise to be announced! You guys sure have brought joy to our hearts :biggrin:

[cgar]

so to get us to talk about something. What X-Men do you think Psylocke was closest to. And post examples. I will try but imageshack sucks

[cgar]

double post. not
just needed a bump

[Dagger]

so to get us to talk about something. What X-Men do you think Psylocke was closest to. And post examples. I will try but imageshack sucks
Someone said she and Dazz were close, and I really don't think she was. I always found that she and Storm, Mags and Wolvie and to a degree Colossus always seemed to have a deep bond. Later on, she and Warren seemed to be close before they had their relationship, but not much before, which I would think they would have had because of their similar backgrounds.

[Slung]

Someone said she and Dazz were close, and I really don't think she was. I always found that she and Storm, Mags and Wolvie and to a degree Colossus always seemed to have a deep bond. Later on, she and Warren seemed to be close before they had their relationship, but not much before, which I would think they would have had because of their similar backgrounds.

I'd say Storm and Betsy and maybe Betsy and Logan. Obviously her relationship with Warren would give them a bond of some sort, but didn't she leave him for Neil? I don't see him being to friendly on her return.

Although they could talk at some length about their interest in younger lovers (Doug and Paige). :biggrin:

[Dagger]

I'd say Storm and Betsy and maybe Betsy and Logan. Obviously her relationship with Warren would give them a bond of some sort, but didn't she leave him for Neil? I don't see him being to friendly on her return.

Although they could talk at some length about their interest in younger lovers (Doug and Paige). :biggrin:
LOLOL! BARF!!! I hated the Warr and Paige relationship. Bitch was totally just his rebound. She needed to work at Hooters during Austen's run. Srsly.

[metalgorgomon]

Obviously her relationship with Warren would give them a bond of some sort, but didn't she leave him for Neil? I don't see him being to friendly on her return.


Actually it was Warren who left her.. But yeah it was due to the flirt between Neil and Betsy (among other things. Warren seemed going thru something back then).

But to me, the separation looked like a blant effort of different creative teams wanted them separately/not together (Casey Uncanny wanted Angel in Uncanny and Claremont wanted Psylocke for X-treme). Neil was pretty much a plot device to separate them.

Although they could talk at some length about their interest in younger lovers (Doug and Paige). :biggrin:

LOL.. That I can also see :biggrin: Perhaps they already bored of the young ones and realize that they are the real deal?

I think Betsy and Jean were quite close - after the Scott-Betsy fiasco was done. Not quite Storm-Jean though but I'm sure Jean helped Betsy alot with the training. And not to mention resulting the 'power switch'

I think Beast can be considered as Betsy's best friend. I love their 'friendly flirts'. Among the X-Men, I think Beast knows Betsy the most (personal-wise). They've been thru alot. Especially the bit when she died in his arms.

Rogue and Betsy certainly quite close too. I love their interactions in the Outback.

[.LuckyStar.]

I guess Wolverine and Storm are her closest friends, which is kind of frustrating since they're best friends with everyone. lol

I wish Rogue and Betsy were more friends, they were always on the same teams but I never felt a great friendship between them, not like Storm/Betsy anyways.

[timbox]

X-23 and Psylocke would be great friends! X-23 used to follow Psylocke around and mimic her every move.

..and of course she could always become close with Sage, they have a lot of history together.

[metalgorgomon]

X-23 and Psylocke would be great friends! X-23 used to follow Psylocke around and mimic her every move.


LOL.. many of X-23's fans actualy hated it. I found it cute though.. and I like X-23.

Maybe Psylocke can be friends with Armor? She's can teach Hisako some moves.. But then.. Aunty Emma won't let them close i guess..

[jarrod]

Betsy and Kurt grew pretty close in Uncanny, she basically became his second in command near the end.... they'd make such a good couple!

She and Rachel were weirdly close too, but that always felt forced imo.


I was always annoyed we never got Betsy's reaction to Douglock in the 90s...

[DDM]

I guess Wolverine and Storm are her closest friends, which is kind of frustrating since they're best friends with everyone. lol

I wish Rogue and Betsy were more friends, they were always on the same teams but I never felt a great friendship between them, not like Storm/Betsy anyways.

Storm & Psylocke are about the same age. Given Rogue was still a minor, Psylocke does not have that common ground to bind them since, in many ways, Rogue is still a child. Psylocke seemed to have more in common with the Carol Danvers side of Rogue.

[metalgorgomon]

We need scans of Betsy's friendship with other X-Men!!

Here's one of my fave Psylocke and Beast picture, from X-treme X-Men #2

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm1/metalgorgomon/PsylockeBeast-Xtreme02-2.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm1/metalgorgomon/PsylockeBeast-Xtreme02-1.jpg

[booga]

bestiality was always my favorite

[CJ Lentze]

She and Rachel were weirdly close too, but that always felt forced imo.I kind of liked Betsy and Rachel's friendship in Uncanny. I'm not sure why; I guess it's because they're different personalities with similar powers (they both know what it's like to be a telepath, though Betsy had lost that power at that point).


DDM, as they're two of your favourite X-Men, what did you think of their friendship?

[jarrod]

I forgot Hank... man, what's with Betts and the blue guys?


I kind of liked Betsy and Rachel's friendship in Uncanny. I'm not sure why; I guess it's because they're different personalities with similar powers (they both know what it's like to be a telepath, though Betsy had lost that power at that point).
I dunno, I love both characters but I've never felt they'd really hit it off... even during Uncanny, they didn't seem to really connect either I thought, despite supposedly being suddenly close friends.

To me it felt like Claremont was trying to force the old Kitty/Illyana or Kitty/Rachel friendships over them, but now with Rachel suddenly playing the more immature, slightly jealous role. Sort of fed into Claremont's general regression with Rachel imo.

[booga]

i bet she'll get wet watching dr manhattan when she checks out watchmen

[DDM]

I kind of liked Betsy and Rachel's friendship in Uncanny. I'm not sure why; I guess it's because they're different personalities with similar powers (they both know what it's like to be a telepath, though Betsy had lost that power at that point).


DDM, as they're two of your favourite X-Men, what did you think of their friendship?

I like them acting together given they are bonded in some weird way. Rachel helped Psylocke deal with her powerful telekinesis & showed her how to properly control it. Chris Claremont had big plans for them both, but all was cut off at the nose when Chris was replaced on Uncanny X-Men . :evilangry:

[jarrod]

It's really a shame we never got Claremont and Bachalo's planned space epic, and how their First Foursaken payoff was butchered by Bedard and Cruz. It felt like Claremont got pulled from the book right when he'd finally found his groove and gotten an artist he really gelled with (Bachalo). It'd have probably been better than what actually followed anyway (speaking both for Claremont and Uncanny).

[metalgorgomon]

The X-books solicit for October is up at CBR.

Here's the cover of of New Exiles #13.

Love.. Psylocke.. picture .. here..
Damn.. Marvel surely gave great Psylocke cover pictures these days..

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm1/metalgorgomon/New%20Exiles%20Pictures/NEWEXILES013_cov.jpg

I think it's from Alexander Garner. The guy that did the great Betsy picture in New Exiles #9 cover.

[Dagger]

I dunno, I love both characters but I've never felt they'd really hit it off... even during Uncanny, they didn't seem to really connect either I thought, despite supposedly being suddenly close friends.

To me it felt like Claremont was trying to force the old Kitty/Illyana or Kitty/Rachel friendships over them, but now with Rachel suddenly playing the more immature, slightly jealous role. Sort of fed into Claremont's general regression with Rachel imo.
That's probably why I didn't care for their relationship soo much. I mean, when Ray first showed up she acted like that, but she grew out of it by the time she went to Excalibur. Now it's like it's 1984 all over again with the way he was portraying her.

[Flameworthy]

That's good news for Psylocke fans if she really is coming back. Hopefully it'll mean her being written a hell of a lot better. Oy, I need a Revanche fix though.:frown:

[Bingo!]

The X-books solicit for October is up at CBR.

Here's the cover of of New Exiles #13.

Love.. Psylocke.. picture .. here..
Damn.. Marvel surely gave great Psylocke cover pictures these days..

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm1/metalgorgomon/New%20Exiles%20Pictures/NEWEXILES013_cov.jpg

I think it's from Alexander Garner. The guy that did the great Betsy picture in New Exiles #9 cover.

Beautiful cover! If only the interiors could look as good.

[cgar]

Yah i always thought she was closest to Wolverine, Beast, Storm, and Rogue. I like the relationship she had with Cannonball in CC's Uncanny. I cannot wait till she comes back to 616. Since all the creative teams are sharing characters whenever they need, it will be fun to see all there takes on her, on the other hand that could also be bad lol

That cover is good but what up with the sword

[mikeb]

Storm & Psylocke are about the same age. Given Rogue was still a minor, Psylocke does not have that common ground to bind them since, in many ways, Rogue is still a child. Psylocke seemed to have more in common with the Carol Danvers side of Rogue.

Since when was Rogue a minor? In UXM# 182,Rogue states:"But Ah'm 18 now,how can that be? In the very next issue, Peter is asked his age at a bar: Peter replies:" I am nearly twenty"! That implies to me that Peter is only one year older than Rogue is.Yet Betsy treated Peter with a lot more respect then Rogue got. Also I believe Rogue was at least 19 at the time of "Child" remark in UXM#246. I think Betsy problem with Rogue is that Betsy was allowing her British Aristocracy show it's face. Explain why Rogue was supposed to have adult responsibility but not adult respect?

[DDM]

Since when was Rogue a minor? In UXM# 182,Rogue states:"But Ah'm 18 now,how can that be? In the very next issue, Peter is asked his age at a bar: Peter replies:" I am nearly twenty"! That implies to me that Peter is only one year older than Rogue is.Yet Betsy treated Peter with a lot more respect then Rogue got. Also I believe Rogue was at least 19 at the time of "Child" remark in UXM#246. I think Betsy problem with Rogue is that Betsy was allowing her British Aristocracy show it's face. Explain why Rogue was supposed to have adult responsibility but not adult respect?

Rogue was 17 years old when she joined the X-Men. Carol was 30. Psylocke is 30.

[mikeb]

Rogue was 17 years old when she joined the X-Men. Carol was 30. Psylocke is 30.
Yes, But Betsy joined the X-Men in UXM# 213. Rogue by then was no longer a minor. (And to use your standard, Peter was a minor when he joined the X-Men.) Besides, Rogue had seniority to Betsy!

[psycwave]

I have been gone, missed a lot, and dont feel like going back in the thread. What are we talking about....

[metalgorgomon]

I have been gone, missed a lot, and dont feel like going back in the thread. What are we talking about....

While you're away?
We sorta discussed about the possibility of her coming back to 616, who are her best friends in the X-family (certainly need more scans though) and the cover of the New Exiles #13 (where she rocked, btw. And Luckystar obviously has it as his/her avatar:smile: )

You're not missing that much, I guess.

[DDM]

Yes, But Betsy joined the X-Men in UXM# 213. Rogue by then was no longer a minor. (And to use your standard, Peter was a minor when he joined the X-Men.) Besides, Rogue had seniority to Betsy!

Rogue was still 17 years old in Uncanny X-Men #213. Time goes slowly in the Marvel Universe.

[.LuckyStar.]

While you're away?
We sorta discussed about the possibility of her coming back to 616, who are her best friends in the X-family (certainly need more scans though) and the cover of the New Exiles #13 (where she rocked, btw. And Luckystar obviously has it as his/her avatar:smile: )

You're not missing that much, I guess.

Her :tongue: I love the cover <3

What about characters you guys wish Psylocke would interact more? I'd love to see her sharing panel with Polaris and especially Iceman.

[metalgorgomon]

Her :tongue: I love the cover <3

What about characters you guys wish Psylocke would interact more? I'd love to see her sharing panel with Polaris and especially Iceman.

I also love that cover. She definitely looked good with black hair.

I always think Betsy's kinda of the boys gal type. Since young, she's a bit of a tomboy. Love to follow Jamie in car racing and her closest friend in school was Brian.

I'd like to see more interaction of her with Logan. The X-Men Unlimited issue where she and wolverine drank beer together was great stuff, IMO.

I also would like Betsy to develop more friendship with the other X-woman. I think Storm, Jean and Rogue are probably her closest X-gals. It'd be interesting seeing her and Lorna in a book together though.

[booga]

she looks um pouty without the lips for it

[Tazirai]

The cover looks good. I love that art style.

[.LuckyStar.]

II always think Betsy's kinda of the boys gal type. Since young, she's a bit of a tomboy. Love to follow Jamie in car racing and her closest friend in school was Brian.

I'd like to see more interaction of her with Logan. The X-Men Unlimited issue where she and wolverine drank beer together was great stuff, IMO.

I also would like Betsy to develop more friendship with the other X-woman. I think Storm, Jean and Rogue are probably her closest X-gals. It'd be interesting seeing her and Lorna in a book together though.

Yeah, me too! I wish they'd change the rosters more often. I'd love to see Betsy on a different team interacting with other X-Men such as Polaris, Havok, Iceman, Cyclops, Colossus, Dazzler. Almost an Outback Reunion :biggrin:

[mikeb]

Rogue was still 17 years old in Uncanny X-Men #213. Time goes slowly in the Marvel Universe.No she wasn't! Read UXM#182. Rogue states she was 18 at the time. This issue came out in April of 1984.UXM# 213 came out in November of 1986. If you don't believe me, READ IT FOR YOURSELF!!!:mad:

[Dagger]

No she wasn't! Read UXM#182. Rogue states she was 18 at the time. This issue came out in April of 1984.UXM# 213 came out in November of 1986. If you don't believe me, READ IT FOR YOURSELF!!!:mad:
There's no point arguing with DDM. He will NEVER admit when he's wrong.

[DDM]

No she wasn't! Read UXM#182. Rogue states she was 18 at the time. This issue came out in April of 1984.UXM# 213 came out in November of 1986. If you don't believe me, READ IT FOR YOURSELF!!!:mad:

This is a mistake. In The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Deluxe Edition, it clearly states Rogue is still a minor. Rogue is the same age as Rachel Summers, also a minor. Rogue & Phoenix II are 17 years old.

Rogue gets mixed up given the residual psyches in her mind. It does not help she has permanently absorbed Carol Danvers, who could not be more different than Rogue, who is a woman in her 30's.

Later, in Uncanny X-Men #244, Rogue is throws a tantrum when Carol takes over her body & redesigns Rogue's room. Rogue begs Psylocke to telepathically expunge Carol from her mind, but Psylocke says she cannot effectively read her mind given the second personality exists, creating a natural barrier. Psylocke also says it is unethical to "kill" Carol's psyche. Psylocke also says it is fit punishment given what Rogue did to Carol. Carol eventually takes over. In the conversation, Storm, Psylocke, & Carol agree that Rogue is a child.

[jarrod]

This is a mistake. In The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Deluxe Edition, it clearly states Rogue is still a minor. Rogue is the same age as Rachel Summers, also a minor. Rogue & Phoenix II are 17 years old.
Rachel was indeed still a minor as of Excalibur #1. Her age was never explicitly stated iirc, but we can surmise she was at most 17 when she arrived in 616. She was captured and put through the Hound Program on Earth 831 at age 14.

Also worth pointing out that Rachel's definitely younger than Rogue now and is probably closer to Kitty's age, thanks to being trapped outside time with Gaunt while most of the 90s took place. While (at least 2) years were passing in 616, for Rachel it was just a matter of days.

[Dagger]

Rogue isn't a minor. The handbook is wrong. In the issue, it states that she's 18. And just because someone is over the age of 18, doesn't mean that older people won't call them a child. Especially with how immature she behaved while going through her whole coming to terms with the Carol Danvers personality.

[jarrod]

I honestly think Rachel was younger than Rogue in the beginning anyway... wasn't she said to be as old as Sam/Dani at one point (which would've made her a year younger than Rogue)? I could've sworn I remember reading that? :/

[Dagger]

I honestly think Rachel was younger than Rogue in the beginning anyway... wasn't she said to be as old as Sam/Dani at one point (which would've made her a year younger than Rogue)? I could've sworn I remember reading that? :/
I think so. I think Professor X said the reason why she was with the X-Men instead of the New Mutants was because she was a powerful psi that needed closer supervision or something like that in the X-Men and Alpha Flight mini.

[jarrod]

I think so. I think Professor X said the reason why she was with the X-Men instead of the New Mutants was because she was a powerful psi that needed closer supervision or something like that in the X-Men and Alpha Flight mini.
It *was* kinda wierd having three teenage X-Men right next to the Muties. I mean, I understand all the reasons why but I still think they shoulda been demoted and Karma upgraded to full time X-Man! :biggrin:

Also, given the reasonings behind Rachel and Rogue (ie: potentially mega dangerous), having Illyana on the Muties always made zero sense to me. :/

[Dagger]

It *was* kinda wierd having three teenage X-Men right next to the Muties. I mean, I understand all the reasons why but I still think they shoulda been demoted and Karma upgraded to full time X-Man! :biggrin:

Also, given the reasonings behind Rachel and Rogue (ie: potentially mega dangerous), having Illyana on the Muties always made zero sense to me. :/
Wasn't it though? I agree, but then again, I don't seeing the three of them quite gelling along with the rest of the New Mutants quite like they did in the X-Men. The same could be said for Illyana, I mean, with Kurt around I didn't see the point for having Yana on the team as well. But if you put Ray on the Muties, you would eventually make both Karma and Dani obsolete as Ray's abilities would outshine both of the girls.

[mikeb]

This is a mistake. In The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Deluxe Edition, it clearly states Rogue is still a minor. Rogue is the same age as Rachel Summers, also a minor. Rogue & Phoenix II are 17 years old.

Rogue gets mixed up given the residual psyches in her mind. It does not help she has permanently absorbed Carol Danvers, who could not be more different than Rogue, who is a woman in her 30's.

Later, in Uncanny X-Men #244, Rogue is throws a tantrum when Carol takes over her body & redesigns Rogue's room. Rogue begs Psylocke to telepathically expunge Carol from her mind, but Psylocke says she cannot effectively read her mind given the second personality exists, creating a natural barrier. Psylocke also says it is unethical to "kill" Carol's psyche. Psylocke also says it is fit punishment given what Rogue did to Carol. Carol eventually takes over. In the conversation, Storm, Psylocke, & Carol agree that Rogue is a child.

Rogue isn't a minor. The handbook is wrong. In the issue, it states that she's 18. And just because someone is over the age of 18, doesn't mean that older people won't call them a child. Especially with how immature she behaved while going through her whole coming to terms with the Carol Danvers personality. The Handbook DDM quotes from was published in August of 1986.It was Vol #11.It does indeed say "still a minor" .But I want to make 2 points.1.This may have been a carryover from the first edition, which was published in July of 1983.It too said Rogue was "still a minor". 2.In the inside covers of "Deluxe Edition" there is a section called "Data Corrections " where Mr.Gruenwald shows the corrections he had to admit when readers wrote in.( I wish I had the Volumes that came after this. I don't know if anybody wrote in about UXM#182 or not.)

As far as what happen in UXM#244, it was Carol who provoked this because Carol broke a modus vivendi they had made. Rogue had suffered severe emotion wounds because of the abuse she had suffered at the hands of the Genoshan guards in UXM#236. Theses wounds were enhanced by the events of Inferno. When Rogue refused to talk to carol, share or listen, Carol "got fed up and took over" (in other words,Carol's way to deal with Rogue's emotional and psychological wounds was to rub salt into them:mad: ) Then "Carol" atmits "In retrospect, not my brightest inspiration" Storm says the 2 of them must strike a balance.Also it was Storm not Psylocke who told Rogue (in an attitude of arrogant self righteousness:mad: ) "And if that proves an inconvenience then consider it fair punishment for a crime that was itself, the next best thing to murder" Where Rogue replies that she never forgave her and all the time she fought by their side didn't "made a whit of difference" and that she wasn't going to stay where she was not wanted and tries to leave."Carol" takes over for Rogue to cool off. Also I read nowhere where the 3 of them agree that Rogue is a "child" (I'm taking the above information directly from UXM#244:biggrin: .)

I'm 43 years old.I admit I've called adults who are 18,19,20 years old kid!:wink:

[.LuckyStar.]

:confused: lol

I love Bachalo's Psylocke :redface:
http://www.telefonica.net/web2/soul82/phoenix/uncanny467_cover.jpg

[cgar]

i wonder if psylocke will ever mention anything about her death. Being killed by a loser named Vargas must of sucked. Plus what Rogue did after was pretty cool. Fighting for her friend just like psylocke did even though it got her killed

[Tazirai]

i wonder if psylocke will ever mention anything about her death. Being killed by a loser named Vargas must of sucked. Plus what Rogue did after was pretty cool. Fighting for her friend just like psylocke did even though it got her killed

Outside of editorial reasons for her death.. Psylocke lost to vargas simply because she didnt think. It's okay to be an action junkie. I'm one. But forethought and strategy are of UTMOST importance.

[booga]

ohh bachalo<3

[wonderland]

Hopefully it wont be long before we get some more information about Betsy's post exile future...

[.LuckyStar.]

I was hoping the October solicitations would give us a few hints concerning her future, however she'll still be stuck in Exiles by then :frown:

[Shade101]

Hey guys look at this awesome picture I drew...LOL ok no I didn't draw it. The artist goes by strayedclimaca over at deviantart. I saw this Psylocke pic and just had to show you guys...

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs19/300W/f/2007/285/8/a/Psylocke_stalking_a_butterfly_by_strayedclimaca.jp g

[Tazirai]

Hey guys look at this awesome picture I drew...LOL ok no I didn't draw it. The artist goes by strayedclimaca over at deviantart. I saw this Psylocke pic and just had to show you guys...

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs19/300W/f/2007/285/8/a/Psylocke_stalking_a_butterfly_by_strayedclimaca.jp g

great pic and coloration.. but heres another reson she needs to be de-asianified.

Must her ass always be in the air, or stuck out as if she was needin some.

And the hand outfit is so programmed into folks minds...:biggrin: :biggrin: :mad:

[Shade101]

great pic and coloration.. but heres another reson she needs to be de-asianified.

Must her ass always be in the air, or stuck out as if she was needin some.

And the hand outfit is so programmed into folks minds...:biggrin: :biggrin: :mad:

Lol, I completely understand what you're saying.

[Flameworthy]

great pic and coloration.. but heres another reson she needs to be de-asianified.

Must her ass always be in the air, or stuck out as if she was needin some.

And the hand outfit is so programmed into folks minds...:biggrin: :biggrin: :mad:

Haha, I was going to say the exact same thing until I saw your post.

[jarrod]

Betsy as asian works okay when she covers up... I liked both her stints with the classic X-Men uniform.

Asian Betsy would be great in the Aussie armor imo, then we could bring British Revanche back in the buttfloss!

[CmX]

Betsy as asian works okay when she covers up... I liked both her stints with the classic X-Men uniform.

Asian Betsy would be great in the Aussie armor imo, then we could bring British Revanche back in the buttfloss!

I'd rather see Psylocke back in the Lady Mandarin armor, but lose the headgear and the cape and it'd be awesome!

[.LuckyStar.]

great pic and coloration.. but heres another reson she needs to be de-asianified.

Must her ass always be in the air, or stuck out as if she was needin some.

And the hand outfit is so programmed into folks minds...:biggrin: :biggrin: :mad:

LOL. I was looking for Psylocke pics on DevianArt too, in every pic she's wearing the bathing suit, her ass is in the air like that. :rolleyes: lol

I don't mind the asian body that much when she actually wears something. I love her current costume. =}

[cgar]

no news about psylocke. hopefully what people say is true

[Nevets F]

no news about psylocke. hopefully what people say is true

Nothing is going to be announced at San Diego on this.

[metalgorgomon]

Even if the rumours are true, I think Marvel is going to announce it arround September-October. So it's another 2-4 months waiting.. sigh..

Unless.. the August issues of New Exiles hinted her leaving the book..

[cgar]

Nothing is going to be announced at San Diego on this.

oh ok. good to know.:frown:

[.LuckyStar.]

Well, good thing Psylocke fans sure know how to wait :frown:

[cgar]

Chris Yost said that there going to be fattening up the cast. so we'll see who comes in

[Flameworthy]

Betsy as asian works okay when she covers up... I liked both her stints with the classic X-Men uniform.

Asian Betsy would be great in the Aussie armor imo, then we could bring British Revanche back in the buttfloss!

I think Kwannon has a little more class than that, but come to think of it so did Betsy before she was asianified. Either way Kwannon would not be caught dead or alive in that hot mess.

[Bingo!]

Hey guys look at this awesome picture I drew...LOL ok no I didn't draw it. The artist goes by strayedclimaca over at deviantart. I saw this Psylocke pic and just had to show you guys...

The image is beautiful! I do take issue with the position she's in. I find it somewhat degrading, yet vulnerable. I generally prefer a stronger looking Psylocke. I'd love to see strayedclimaca showcase Psylocke in battle!

[wonderland]

After all the Marvel news, still no mention of Betsy..:frown:

[.LuckyStar.]

Yeah, I was expecting at least news about Betsy in Wolverine and The X-Men. I guess she didn't appear. :frown:

[jarrod]

I think Kwannon has a little more class than that, but come to think of it so did Betsy before she was asianified. Either way Kwannon would not be caught dead or alive in that hot mess.
I thought it was Kwannon's hand me down actually? Trashy outfit, trashy body, trashy impulses all desecrating our poor, perfect Betsy. :biggrin:

[Flameworthy]

I thought it was Kwannon's hand me down actually? Trashy outfit, trashy body, trashy impulses all desecrating our poor, perfect Betsy. :biggrin:

Nope, she never wore that awful outfit. Those impulses were all on Betsy, and the asian body was only ever trashy while she was in it.

[cgar]

sorry had to bump this up. um why is this on the second page lol
anyways what do you think CC is trying to achieve in New Exiles right now. Do you think he may somehow give her the telepathy back. Or fight Skills.

[Tazirai]

sorry had to bump this up. um why is this on the second page lol
anyways what do you think CC is trying to achieve in New Exiles right now. Do you think he may somehow give her the telepathy back. Or fight Skills.

NP. I think we're all waiting to see what happens to our favorite chica..
As far as the Telepathy goes, I do hope she gets it back in some form, Or at least stops with all the superhumanly amazing TK suckness.

I think she can fight pretty well, but her problem is stopping power. She relies on certain tricks way too much. If she can learn to get in some serious stopping power she'll do okay.

Seriously Ogunn is that dude, he stopped her cold.

[psycwave]

I LOVE PSYLOCKE!!!

Sorry ive been gone for a while and just felt that needed to be said. Anyways i agree with taz even though i dont hate the tk it has become rather mudane lately. I hope Ogun does some good work on my girl with those fighting skills as well.

[psycwave]

Yeah, me too! I wish they'd change the rosters more often. I'd love to see Betsy on a different team interacting with other X-Men such as Polaris, Havok, Iceman, Cyclops, Colossus, Dazzler. Almost an Outback Reunion :biggrin:

Ha I LOVE IT!!! Except for Cyclops. I ever want to see Bestsy near Cyclops ever again. I would like to see her interact with Bedlam though.(Thats just wishful thinking though)

[psycwave]

Hey guys look at this awesome picture I drew...LOL ok no I didn't draw it. The artist goes by strayedclimaca over at deviantart. I saw this Psylocke pic and just had to show you guys...

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs19/300W/f/2007/285/8/a/Psylocke_stalking_a_butterfly_by_strayedclimaca.jp g

Its strangely beautiful yet kinky?

[jarrod]

I kinda retardedly loved Storm & Havok's X-Cutioner's Song rescue squad. Storm, Havok, Beast, Psylocke, Archangel, Iceman, Polaris & Cannonball. Great balance and mix of powers and personalities imo, they'd have made an awesome permanent team.

[.LuckyStar.]

I love this random team too!

Concerning New Exiles, I think she'll just improve her fighting skills, I can't see her telepathy returning for now. :frown:

[Phil Hunn]

Back from SDCC again. Recovering from the southern California sun, also (hey, I'm a pasty English geek - the sun is not my friend :wink: ).

Chris Yost said that there going to be fattening up the cast. so we'll see who comes in

Yay, more characters are going to be ruined by that blood-soaked pity-party of a book...

Yeah, I was expecting at least news about Betsy in Wolverine and The X-Men. I guess she didn't appear. :frown:

Why would she? I mean, they've put Emma in there, and no other telepathic X-Man even measures up to her! :rolleyes:

[.LuckyStar.]

Why would she? I mean, they've put Emma in there, and no other telepathic X-Man even measures up to her! :rolleyes:

I know, right? That's why I'm a bit afraid about Betsy's return to 616. I don't want her to become just a background character again. :~

[jarrod]

Well... it's not like Emma's telekinetic. :biggrin:

[Phil Hunn]

I know, right? That's why I'm a bit afraid about Betsy's return to 616. I don't want her to become just a background character again. :~

Me neither, but given the reduced role some of the X-Ladies have had to put up with (like Storm's relegation to Hudlin-Hell, for example), I'm not confident.

Well... it's not like Emma's telekinetic. :biggrin:

Yet. Knowing Marvel, they'll probably give her telekinesis as a matter of course...

[Tazirai]

Me neither, but given the reduced role some of the X-Ladies have had to put up with (like Storm's relegation to Hudlin-Hell, for example), I'm not confident.



Yet. Knowing Marvel, they'll probably give her telekinesis as a matter of course...

or corrupt her into a body not of her own design.. to satisfy the jerk off crews urges.

[Phil Hunn]

or corrupt her into a body not of her own design.. to satisfy the jerk off crews urges.

Doesn't she do that already? :wink:

[jarrod]

Beacuse it was too awesome to leave in the crappy costumes thread...


http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll44/naymid/xcopy1.jpg

[.LuckyStar.]

X-23 was so cute there. lol

I manipulated some New Exiles panels to make this:
http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/4/45/Psylocke-2008.png

I love how Tom Grummet draws Betsy :redface:

[jarrod]

I HATE the ankle booties though! :mad:

[Swashbuckler]

Beacuse it was too awesome to leave in the crappy costumes thread...


http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll44/naymid/xcopy1.jpg

This is the cutest image ever. I totally forgot about X-23 adoring Psylocke back in those issues.

[Bingo!]

This is the cutest image ever. I totally forgot about X-23 adoring Psylocke back in those issues.

X not being able to cross her legs like Betsy and fussing with her hair is terrific. I love how X looked up to Betsy. Another reason for Psylocke to join X-Force.

[Tazirai]

X not being able to cross her legs like Betsy and fussing with her hair is terrific. I love how X looked up to Betsy. Another reason for Psylocke to join X-Force.

Not only that. But the thing I miss about the X-men books is the "Family" Dynamic they had. They don't even hint at that anymore it seems. And when we see scott and emma, they are either fussing, preening or frakkin.

[Henry T.]

Colored by Almighty Pejo....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/jeanpsylocke2.jpg

[cgar]

oh hell no. with the third page nonsense. bumped to first.
i just wanted to say i liked the interaction she had with X-23.

And that picture above. What happened in that issue?

[CmX]

oh hell no. with the third page nonsense. bumped to first.
i just wanted to say i liked the interaction she had with X-23.

And that picture above. What happened in that issue?

Well originally Psylocke was going to be killed off in the Psi-War, but the idea was vetoed and that was the original cover intended. But since she wasn't killed we got the cover with shadow Psylocke with her psi-sword with Shadow King. I think it's X-Men issue 88 or 89.

[Leirus]

Well originally Psylocke was going to be killed off in the Psi-War, but the idea was vetoed and that was the original cover intended. But since she wasn't killed we got the cover with shadow Psylocke with her psi-sword with Shadow King. I think it's X-Men issue 88 or 89.

I do not think it was even a cover, but a conceptual pic by German Garcia... I bet this is the first time anyone colors it, it was in his personal profile in a spanish fandom website, dreamers.com...

Jean as Phoenix was going to fight the Shadow King over Betsy´s corpse... what was vetoed was the original Phoenix return, so Psylocke was saved as a consequence...

[CmX]

I do not think it was even a cover, but a conceptual pic by German Garcia... I bet this is the first time anyone colors it, it was in his personal profile in a spanish fandom website, dreamers.com...

Jean as Phoenix was going to fight the Shadow King over Betsy´s corpse... what was vetoed was the original Phoenix return, so Psylocke was saved as a consequence...

No it was a cover that's a fact, the dressings are even on it. The idea of Psylocke being killed was changed at the last minute.

And yeah it was never colored, it wasn't even colored before the storyline changed. Seagle/Kelly weren't fond of Psylocke at all the whole idea of the Psi-War storyline was to kill her off so they opted to "retire" Betsy by taking away her telepathy. Obviously that didn't retire Psylocke at all..

[cgar]

No it was a cover that's a fact, the dressings are even on it. The idea of Psylocke being killed was changed at the last minute.

And yeah it was never colored, it wasn't even colored before the storyline changed. Seagle/Kelly weren't fond of Psylocke at all the whole idea of the Psi-War storyline was to kill her off so they opted to "retire" Betsy by taking away her telepathy. Obviously that didn't retire Psylocke at all..

they werent fond of her so they were going to kill her. there dumb i dont like them now. could be a little more creative

[jarrod]

Hey, they wanted to kill Storm too, it would've happened during the Magneto War. Davis basically redid a shorted version of it with Joseph filling in.

Morrison wanted to kill Rogue though. :frown:

[.LuckyStar.]

Psy-War was one of the first X-Men comics I bought, that was when I started to like Psylocke. :tongue: So Seagle/Kelly made me lover her? lol

[metalgorgomon]

Psylocke and her brothers were in Marvel's TGIF: Family Ties

Link: http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.4430.TGIF~colon~_Family_Ties

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm1/metalgorgomon/Pyslocke-FamilyTies.jpg

I wonder when a writer will explore more on her family and her origin/heritage? It'd be great to see more interraction of the Braddock Family.

[.LuckyStar.]

That'd be great! It's nice to know somebody at Marvel hasn't forgot this:

"And don't get me started on the parents, the father being one of Merlin's chosen guard from Otherworld....yeeeeesh! What a family set up!"

[Phil Hunn]

Hey, they wanted to kill Storm too, it would've happened during the Magneto War. Davis basically redid a shorted version of it with Joseph filling in.

Morrison wanted to kill Rogue though. :frown:

Yes, apparently Morrison wanted to kill Rogue and then replace her with a female goth character who had the same codename.

You have to wonder what the point would have been, except to give guys who fancy goth girls (like I do :wink: ) something to drool over...

[Tazirai]

Yes, apparently Morrison wanted to kill Rogue and then replace her with a female goth character who had the same codename.

You have to wonder what the point would have been, except to give guys who fancy goth girls (like I do :wink: ) something to drool over...

Kinda like Asian psylockes prepub crowd ^^.
I love the idea of killing off characters simply because you don't like them..:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Why not just send them on vacation during your run on a book morons..

[Phil Hunn]

Kinda like Asian psylockes prepub crowd ^^.
I love the idea of killing off characters simply because you don't like them..:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Why not just send them on vacation during your run on a book morons..

That would seem like the best solution, yes, but some writers are keen to leave a mark on the books - so bumping off or otherwise affecting a significant character is often a way of doing that. Being able to do it to a character you dislike/hate/loathe is just a bonus, I imagine...

[psycwave]

I miss Marvel VS Capcom Betsy. The little telepathic butterfly killers were cool.

[metalgorgomon]

Is Betts middle name Gloriana?

I wondered about it for sometime already. I think the first time it was mentioned was in the Uncanny HOM issues. But I'm not sure whether that is truly her 616 middle name.

Anyhow, IMO Gloriana is a great middle name for her :smile:

[CmX]

I wondered about it for sometime already. I think the first time it was mentioned was in the Uncanny HOM issues. But I'm not sure whether that is truly her 616 middle name.

Anyhow, IMO Gloriana is a great middle name for her :smile:

Nope not officially only in the HoM dimension. A poster over at XFan would always call her that and CC wrote it in as a nod to the fans but it's not officially her middle name.

[Tazirai]

A few pages back I mentioned I was working on a Psylocke custom Project.
It was based on this figure.
http://www.joeacevedo.com/images/figurezone/dcdfigures/dcdidentitycrisis_zatanna.jpg

Zatanna from DC direct.

Here's the current stage of the figure...

Still got some work to do.. It'll probably be done in a week or so.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/DSC00162.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/DSC00161.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/DSC00159.jpg

[Tazirai]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/DSC00156.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/DSC00158.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/DSC00152.jpg