Psylocke Appreciation Thread

[Askanipsion]

Didn't know where else to post this...Captain-Britain and MI-13 will be cancelled by issue #15... (http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/05/19/captain-britain-cancelled/) :frown:

I guess no Betts & Brian reunion :frown:

[Aelle3]

I guess no Betts & Brian reunion :frown:

I know, I wanted to see it so bad :frown: :frown:

[tlp0708]

I want a Betts and Warren reunion and a Betts/Brian/Meggan reunion.

[CmX]

I was optimistic like you are when the Psylocke images started hitting the internet. However, we have precedent now, and I think this may be the time you're wrong, unfortunately!

Okay, just wait it out a bit and get back to me. :)

[Aelle3]

Sorry to ask but can someone fill me in on what Psylocke has been up to for the last two issues. Im a big braddock fan so i thought i would uncanny another shot while Betsy is back in it.

[eurazn]

Okay, just wait it out a bit and get back to me. :)

I hate to say I told you so ...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/psylocke510.jpg

... I'll keep my scans to a minimum as to not spoil the issue. Suffice it to say I was highly disappointed with Psylocke's "story" as Wolverine's punching bag in UXM 510. Not sure why he acted the way he did, especially compared with the aftermath of the FIRST body switch.

Still no psychic butterflies :frown:

[psycwave]

I hate to say I told you so ...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/psylocke510.jpg

... I'll keep my scans to a minimum as to not spoil the issue. Suffice it to say I was highly disappointed with Psylocke's "story" as Wolverine's punching bag in UXM 510. Not sure why he acted the way he did, especially compared with the aftermath of the FIRST body switch.

Still no psychic butterflies :frown:

This is horrible. eurazn pm all the scans. I may not be able to make it to my LCS today. I need to be spoiled. Though im sure there wont be much to be spoiled...

[eurazn]

This is horrible. eurazn pm all the scans. I may not be able to make it to my LCS today. I need to be spoiled. Though im sure there wont be much to be spoiled...

I'm sorry, Psyc. Despite my vocal pessimism, I still had secret hope Psylocke would be treated properly.

I'll try to PM you with more when I get home after work.

[Selene]

She's still British by the end of the issue,eh?

[CmX]

Yeah she's still British by the end of the issue, but the Sisterhood teleport away back to their base I presume? I'm hoping the next issue doesn't result in her becoming Asian again. But then again if she does I'll still be content.

I wasn't disappointed with how Psylocke was treated in the issue. I wasn't expecting her to kick Wolverine's ass that would have felt forced IMO. I thought she handled herself well against Wolverine considered she wasn't killed immediately ala Vargas or Sabretooth.

I'm just curious how the Jean cloning goes next issue! But if she clones Jean, wouldn't it be a Maddie body? lol Since essentially Maddie is a clone of Jean?

[eurazn]

She's still British by the end of the issue,eh?

Yes, still British.

Yeah she's still British by the end of the issue, but the Sisterhood teleport away back to their base I presume? I'm hoping the next issue doesn't result in her becoming Asian again. But then again if she does I'll still be content.

I wasn't disappointed with how Psylocke was treated in the issue. I wasn't expecting her to kick Wolverine's ass that would have felt forced IMO. I thought she handled herself well against Wolverine considered she wasn't killed immediately ala Vargas or Sabretooth.

I'm just curious how the Jean cloning goes next issue! But if she clones Jean, wouldn't it be a Maddie body? lol Since essentially Maddie is a clone of Jean?

She's back in her British body but she's still using that DAMN PSYCHIC KNIFE, missing Wolverine with all her jabs, when she could have easily knocked him out with a psychic butterfly attack. So pointless. She's back in the British body but she's still using her Asian body tactics.

[CmX]

Well yeah after all these years of Psylocke just using a psychic knife/katana it's hard for writers to remember Psylocke when she was useful and deadly. She's also under control of Maddie so she might just be like a rabid dog right now or something haha It was cool seeing Deathstrike team up with Betsy though and referring to her as their "Sister".

My biggest gripe of the issue though was Pixie I used to think she was so cute and unique now she's worse than Kitty.

[.LuckyStar.]

I'm really disappointed! Those bitches were hyping UXM510 would be the Return of Psylocke issue,but from what I've read this sounds more like another Precious Emma Frost/Pixie/Cuckoos saving the day!

Well, at least she's in her British body. :/

[psycwave]

best panel. you freaks wanted british betsy and this is what you get, a weak,pathetic,hideous watered down version of the hot asian warriorqueen that psylocke had become. i predict in the next issue the sisterhood decide to relieve there loss at the hands of the x-men by using betsys face as a personal punching bag.

You do realize that even if she was Asian Fraction would have wrote the scene the exact same way right?

[Selene]

best panel. you freaks wanted british betsy and this is what you get, a weak,pathetic,hideous watered down version of the hot asian warriorqueen that psylocke had become. i predict in the next issue the sisterhood decide to relieve there loss at the hands of the x-men by using betsys face as a personal punching bag.
This is compeletely irrelevant.Since British Betsy seems to have retained her martial arts training,then she is as strong as the Asian Betsy.The problem is that Fraction ignored Uncanny X-Men,issues # 257 & #258,where Betsy defeated Wolverine without breaking a sweat.And since Wolverine supposedly wouldn't want to harm her in the first place in this issue,it would have been more than easy for Psylocke to defeat him.

I hope that in the next issue Betsy returns to HER home.Which is the Asian body.

[Aelle3]

weak,pathetic,hideous

Why on earth would being in a British body make her weak, pathetic or hideous?
She has the same mind and life attitudes, with a bit of training and conditioning she’ll be as good a fighter as ever.

[Aelle3]

british betsy was always weak,pathetic and hideous in comparrison to asian betsy. thats why psylocke was so pleased to be rid of that TIRED body.

She may have been physically weaker, but her psychic powers were certainly never pathetic . I feel that the hand abduction, training and transformation pushed her into achieving something she dreamed of. And she may have resented what her old British body and lifestyle represented. But I don’t believe for a second he hated her old body.

And no matter racially what kind of girl you prefer, Betsy was a model, and in no way hideous.

[Tazirai]

british betsy was always weak,pathetic and hideous in comparrison to asian betsy. thats why psylocke was so pleased to be rid of that TIRED body.

You want her Asian THAT badly? Have you ever read any of her captain Britain Stories? Are you just turned on by the Asian form? Sticking her in the thong was the worst thing to have happened PAST U Xmen 259. She became a posing Sex symbol for the wack off crew. You seem to have some racial thing in your responses, so I hope im wrong there.
She was not Weak at all. She bested MANY people as a Brit. Not the asian, She had good fights but suffered from Worf Syndrome.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect
which turned her into ..
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FauxActionGirl
I like the Asian version.. Prefer the British but will be content with a well written Psylocke.. Not something to simply oogle at. I have Emma and Storm for that.

I hate to say I told you so ...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/psylocke510.jpg

... I'll keep my scans to a minimum as to not spoil the issue. Suffice it to say I was highly disappointed with Psylocke's "story" as Wolverine's punching bag in UXM 510. Not sure why he acted the way he did, especially compared with the aftermath of the FIRST body switch.

Still no psychic butterflies :frown:

Jobberific. See my links above. She would have won again.. simply from sheer surprise. But since Wolverine is the most popular thing out from Marvel now.. well go figure.

Agreed. I feel as if Psylocke's return to her british form was only for story. I 'could' hope that there's more to it-- but I already feel as if this story is just having characters thrown in for no good reason. :cool:

Lets hope not. I'd hate to see that happen.

Didn't know where else to post this...Captain-Britain and MI-13 will be cancelled by issue #15... (http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/05/19/captain-britain-cancelled/) :frown:

Damn.. Marvel simply doesnt know what to do with Captain Britain or the Silver Surfer.

This is compeletely irrelevant.Since British Betsy seems to have retained her martial arts training,then she is as strong as the Asian Betsy.The problem is that Fraction ignored Uncanny X-Men,issues # 257 & #258,where Betsy defeated Wolverine without breaking a sweat.And since Wolverine supposedly wouldn't want to harm her in the first place in this issue,it would have been more than easy for Psylocke to defeat him.

I hope that in the next issue Betsy returns to HER home.Which is the Asian body.

I agree with all BUT your last statement. HER home is wherever the Marvel Knuckle heads decide to put her. Not fan sentiment. There's gonna be hate letters regardless of which body she is put in.

Asian form fans will hate her for being ugly, white, weak, and somehow not sexy..even though she was a model.

British form fans will hate her for being, a horribly written sex object, used to advance a story, brought back as a tease then shuffled into the asian body again, and that Asian form fans got what they wanted.

Both sides lose AND win in this. We get PSYLOCKE back. Hopefully NOT in the thong. In the hands of a better Writer and Artist and is portrayed as tough, sexy, and not butch.

My two gil.

[eurazn]

clearly you are wrong. british betsy thinks she has her asian martial art skills, the fact that wolverine beat her up so badly proves she no longer does.

All that panel (and this entire issue for that matter) proves is that if the character isn't Wolverine, Cyclops or Emma (or Emma clones), the character will be written horribly, if it all, and owned by one of the aforementioned "stars" regardless of previous history/continuity.

[Selene]

I agree with all BUT your last statement. HER home is wherever the Marvel Knuckle heads decide to put her. Not fan sentiment. There's gonna be hate letters regardless of which body she is put in.

Asian form fans will hate her for being ugly, white, weak, and somehow not sexy..even though she was a model.

British form fans will hate her for being, a horribly written sex object, used to advance a story, brought back as a tease then shuffled into the asian body again, and that Asian form fans got what they wanted.

Both sides lose AND win in this. We get PSYLOCKE back. Hopefully NOT in the thong. In the hands of a better Writer and Artist and is portrayed as tough, sexy, and not butch.
I meant that Betsy's home is the one she prefers.And over the years,it's been openly stated that it is the Asian body.That's canon,unless Fraction decides to mess with her history,which is something I predict that will frustrate both sides(Asian Psylocke fans & Caucasian Psylocke fans).

I've never held any hatred towards English Betsy,but there were certain things about her that annoyed me,say,the fact that she felt marginal and trivial in comparison to her brother or the fact that she whined at Brian about "Wolverine,Havok and Dazzler being better X-Men than her".

I dislike Asian Betsy only when she's treated as a power-set and not a character(see Claremont).

If you are annoyed at her ninja bathing-suit,then ask for a new costume,not for a new body.Emma is also Caucasian,yet she has frequently shown more skin than Betsy has ever shown.

[Tazirai]

I meant that Betsy's home is the one she prefers.And over the years,it's been openly stated that it is the Asian body.That's canon,unless Fraction decides to mess with her history,which something I predict that will frustrate both sides(Asian Psylocke fans & Caucasian Psylocke fans).

I've never held any hatred towards English Betsy,but there were certain things about her that annoyed me,say,the fact that she felt marginal and trivial in comparison to her brother or the fact that she whined at Brian about "Wolverine,Havok and Dazzler being better X-Men than her".

I dislike Asian Betsy only when she's treated as a power-set and not a character(ee Claremont).

If you are annoyed at her ninja bathing-suit,then ask for a new costume,not for a new body.Emma is also Caucasian,yet she has frequently shown more skin than Betsy has ever shown.

What you say is true. ESPECIALLY how I feel about that costume.. Every other heroine or hero goes through periodic costume changes... BUT HER.

They really need to figure out her powerset.. characterization and costume.. then use her. Not the other way around.

[Tazirai]

british betsy was hideous in comparison to asian psylocke. and just because she was a model doesnt mean she was pretty theres tons of HIDEOUS models that have that [ugly pretty] thing going on.

You're funny. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

[.LuckyStar.]

Well, British Betsy owned Sabretooth twice. Asian Betsy did not and almost got killed.

[Joey]

Well, British Betsy owned Sabretooth twice. Asian Betsy did not and almost got killed.

TEE HEE :tongue:

BB is far superior to AB

[Aelle3]

Im not massively fussed what race she is. But I think your wrong about her looks, im not sure but i dont think the ugly/ pretty thing was big in 1989 (isnt that when she went asian).

[psycwave]

she never owned sabertooth, she managed to avade his attacks long enough for the x-men to come to her PATHETIC rescue. british betsy was such a sorry excuse for a woman.

What about when they went up against the Marauders and she pwned him? She didnt have any help then. When the X-men had that training session and she took on Rogue, Dazzler, and Longshot all at once. BB has had many wins. But alas you love AB so there really is no point in arguing.

[Aguja]

Asian Psylocke did own Sabertooth when she fought him upon his escape thanks to stupid Boom Boom. She only failed because idiot Wolverine made Creed immune to telepathic attacks.

Betsy's most shameful defeat was dying to Vargas while being a telekinetic and not throwing up a shield....FAIL.

[Selene]

Asian Psylocke did own Sabertooth when she fought him upon his escape thanks to stupid Boom Boom. She only failed because idiot Wolverine made Creed immune to telepathic attacks.
Not to mention that in Adjectiveless X-Men,ish. #29 Psylocke defeated Sabretooth and she even spared the use of her mutant powers.
Betsy's most shameful defeat was dying to Vargas while being a telekinetic and not throwing up a shield....FAIL.
Yet Vargas had also defeated Rogue,who was at that time able to recall every ability she had ever absorbed.I doubt a mere TK shield could have saved her skin.

[Aguja]

Perhaps but she should have tried. Psylocke is wonderful but one must admit she makes some epic mistakes in battles at times.

[psycwave]

Perhaps but she should have tried. Psylocke is wonderful but one must admit she makes some epic mistakes in battles at times.

This is true. Or the writers just seriously dont know how to write a telekinetic/telepathic martial arts master.

[peopleofpaper]

oh whatever, Psylocke was used as a punching bag i her asian body just as much...

http://psylocke.club.fr/gallerie/crimson/016.jpg

however, this is clearly not Betsy in the british body unfortunately. it's either Kwannon or some other person. Wolverine says it's not her and would have sensed it was Betsy. he wouldn't have attacked or nearly killed her if she was inside the body. i think it's either Kwannon or maybe one of the alternate Psylockes from Sword of the Braddocks. How was this even "The Return of Psylocke" and why was Asian Psylocke on the alternate cover? She's not in it at all. sigh what a let down, although I am happy they didn't make her Asian yet.

[eurazn]

she never owned sabertooth, she managed to avade his attacks long enough for the x-men to come to her PATHETIC rescue. british betsy was such a sorry excuse for a woman.

Evading attacks and staying alive long enough for help is still LIGHT YEARS beyond getting eviscerated.

oh whatever, Psylocke was used as a punching bag i her asian body just as much...

http://psylocke.club.fr/gallerie/crimson/016.jpg

however, this is clearly not Betsy in the british body unfortunately. it's either Kwannon or some other person. Wolverine says it's not her and would have sensed it was Betsy. he wouldn't have attacked or nearly killed her if she was inside the body. i think it's either Kwannon or maybe one of the alternate Psylockes from Sword of the Braddocks. How was this even "The Return of Psylocke" and why was Asian Psylocke on the alternate cover? She's not in it at all. sigh what a let down, although I am happy they didn't make her Asian yet.

Yes, punching bag city. I'm sure Wolverine would have sensed if it was Betsy or not; but Fraction doesn't seem to have as strong a grasp on character history as most, so this might just be an oversight on his part.

[cgar]

did scott even know British Betsy? and i liked some of the things Logan said about her. and i liked her comebacks. BUT shouldnt he know its her since they had a psychic bond

[lockerogue]

did scott even know British Betsy? and i liked some of the things Logan said about her. and i liked her comebacks. BUT shouldnt he know its her since they had a psychic bond

I believe they might have met during Inferno.

[Aguja]

It can't be Kwannon either since Wolverine would know her as well. Clearly some other scrub is inside that body.

So the question is where is Betsy?

[kk1]

This quote from Claremont is one of the selling points for XM:Forever for me "Betsy Braddock has not been transferred into a cloned dead Asian body" even though she won't even be on the team.(but back in Britain)

[Askanipsion]

This quote from Claremont is one of the selling points for XM:Forever for me "Betsy Braddock has not been transferred into a cloned dead Asian body" even though she won't even be on the team.(but back in Britain)

Ah crap that means I might have to pick this up when she shows up!

I am not a fan of anything Claremont has done in past 6 years - I loved X-Treme's first 20 issues though but then suddenly it went crashing down.

[eurazn]

I believe they might have met during Inferno.

You are correct.

This quote from Claremont is one of the selling points for XM:Forever for me "Betsy Braddock has not been transferred into a cloned dead Asian body" even though she won't even be on the team.(but back in Britain)

If he DOES eventually write her (I'm still surprised she's not in his lineup), the trick is writing her WELL otherwise it won't matter which body she's in.

Claremont did very well with her back when the X-Men were on Muir Island and during the Outback years. He's had control over her for many years since then but hasn't delivered.

[psycwave]

You are correct.
If he DOES eventually write her (I'm still surprised she's not in his lineup), the trick is writing her WELL otherwise it won't matter which body she's in.

Claremont did very well with her back when the X-Men were on Muir Island and during the Outback years. He's had control over her for many years since then but hasn't delivered.

Quick eurazn the scans!!

But yeah CC I just read his Forever and it was pretty decent. If he does use her in the book i think he will do well with her. I mean yeah he totally dropped the ball on Exiles but his Reload Psylocke was actually tolerable. This might be what CC to get his name as a great writer back.

[eurazn]

Quick eurazn the scans!!

As requested:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/inferno.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/inferno2.jpg

[eurazn]

And for good measure ... one instance in which British Betsy owned Sabretooth with no assistance required:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/inferno3.jpg

[psycwave]

As requested:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/inferno.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/inferno2.jpg

And for good measure ... one instance in which British Betsy owned Sabretooth with no assistance required:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/inferno3.jpg

YES YES YES!!! These are beautiful!

[Dagger]

The parts I didn't care for in Inferno were the X-Factor pics of Betts. Walt drew her with her power sig. on almost the entire time. I was like, wtf Walt.

[eurazn]

The parts I didn't care for in Inferno were the X-Factor pics of Betts. Walt drew her with her power sig. on almost the entire time. I was like, wtf Walt.

X-Factor often seemed like the weak artistic link in those crossovers. I remember how terrible the art was during X-Tinction Agenda.

[psycwave]

X-Factor often seemed like the weak artistic link in those crossovers. I remember how terrible the art was during X-Tinction Agenda.

Ugh lets not even talk about that art especially during X-tinction Agenda. Betts was so fug.(In like those two panels)

[Dagger]

X-Factor often seemed like the weak artistic link in those crossovers. I remember how terrible the art was during X-Tinction Agenda.

Ugh lets not even talk about that art especially during X-tinction Agenda. Betts was so fug.(In like those two panels)
Yeah, which is a shame, because I loved Bogdanove's art on Power Pack and X-Terminators, I have to wonder wtf happened to him on X-Factor.

[eurazn]

Yeah, which is a shame, because I loved Bogdanove's art on Power Pack and X-Terminators, I have to wonder wtf happened to him on X-Factor.

Maybe he was rushed? Doing crossovers is probably chaotic.

[psycwave]

Maybe. eurazn! What happened to the scans of LOL Betsy from today's riveting Uncanny issue?

[kk1]

You are correct.



If he DOES eventually write her (I'm still surprised she's not in his lineup), the trick is writing her WELL otherwise it won't matter which body she's in.

Claremont did very well with her back when the X-Men were on Muir Island and during the Outback years. He's had control over her for many years since then but hasn't delivered.

He did create her...

[eurazn]

Maybe. eurazn! What happened to the scans of LOL Betsy from today's riveting Uncanny issue?

Here's one of MANY panels in which Wolverine and Psylocke continually miss each other:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/UNCX510.jpg

And here's one where Psylocke apparently de-powers her psychic knife just in time to hit Wolverine's adamantium laced jaw with her fist:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/UNCX510b.jpg

[Justin K.]

Even though it's Land, still...

[.LuckyStar.]

LOLOLOL. Everything is so convenient. Uncanny is truly the new New Excalibur/New Exiles. <3

[peopleofpaper]

This quote from Claremont is one of the selling points for XM:Forever for me "Betsy Braddock has not been transferred into a cloned dead Asian body" even though she won't even be on the team.(but back in Britain)

I'm getting Forever anyway but I wouldn't say she isn't Asian just yet... If this issue picks up after the third issue of X-men then that would mean she had already been physically altered to appear Asian. I think CC might have meant that she isn't in the dead Asian body of someone else because he himself didn't create that aspect of her body switch. When he made her Asian he did it cosmetically. So I could see him still using an Asian Psylocke, there'd just be no Kwannon whatsoever. It would be Psylocke in her own body with an altered face. I do hope she is in the original British body though, I would love to see how she'd end up if she was never Asian this time around. I would rather her be on the team more than anything else, especially since she was actually on it the first time around. Take out Sabertooth and add Betsy.

[eurazn]

atleast psylocke had gone down as a hero and not some scared brit chick running around screaming for help in a cheap pink walmart dress.

Why don't you provide scans to prove your point? Or at least issue# citations? I already posted one in which she defeated Sabretooth on her own.

[psycwave]

Oh Poor Betsy. What did you all think Wolverine meant by "This aint my teammate Spiral. Whatever parts of her yall got in here, this aint her."

I took it as he knew she wasnt doing this of her own accord and he knew that somehow someway they had possesed her. But even knowing that he still will kill her. Cause thats what friends are for.:smile:

[Aguja]

Here's one of MANY panels in which Wolverine and Psylocke continually miss each other:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/UNCX510.jpg

And here's one where Psylocke apparently de-powers her psychic knife just in time to hit Wolverine's adamantium laced jaw with her fist:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/UNCX510b.jpg

OMG Wolverine is such a RACIST! Attacking an Asian woman in stereotypical Asian garb as well as a women who formerly inhabited an Asian body. Disgusting.

I think if Claremont leaves Psylocke alone for a year or more he'll get a better handle on her again. He has been writing her a bit too much, a break is in order.

[kk1]

I'm getting Forever anyway but I wouldn't say she isn't Asian just yet... If this issue picks up after the third issue of X-men then that would mean she had already been physically altered to appear Asian. I think CC might have meant that she isn't in the dead Asian body of someone else because he himself didn't create that aspect of her body switch. When he made her Asian he did it cosmetically. So I could see him still using an Asian Psylocke, there'd just be no Kwannon whatsoever. It would be Psylocke in her own body with an altered face. I do hope she is in the original British body though, I would love to see how she'd end up if she was never Asian this time around. I would rather her be on the team more than anything else, especially since she was actually on it the first time around. Take out Sabertooth and add Betsy.

That's what I took it to mean, however that's also what gives me hope he'll have her changed back since its only cosmetic (if that's the proper term for what Spiral does).

Desides CC Alan Davis is the real creator of Betsy (he gave her purple hair) and reading what he's said he hates the Asian version and thinks they should have created a seperate character and he personally gave her her pink outfit in X-men to show don't judge a book by it's cover. She may look beautiful and girly but will still kick your ass, like Emma Peel on the Avengers as she showed in #212. I wonder who ruined that by giving her the armor?

[Seccruz]

I'm getting Forever anyway but I wouldn't say she isn't Asian just yet... If this issue picks up after the third issue of X-men then that would mean she had already been physically altered to appear Asian. I think CC might have meant that she isn't in the dead Asian body of someone else because he himself didn't create that aspect of her body switch. When he made her Asian he did it cosmetically. So I could see him still using an Asian Psylocke, there'd just be no Kwannon whatsoever. It would be Psylocke in her own body with an altered face. I do hope she is in the original British body though, I would love to see how she'd end up if she was never Asian this time around. I would rather her be on the team more than anything else, especially since she was actually on it the first time around. Take out Sabertooth and add Betsy.

It's probably the reason she bolted to England, her body was starting to revert to its original state...

[Tazirai]

Asian Psylocke did own Sabertooth when she fought him upon his escape thanks to stupid Boom Boom. She only failed because idiot Wolverine made Creed immune to telepathic attacks.

Betsy's most shameful defeat was dying to Vargas while being a telekinetic and not throwing up a shield....FAIL.

Agree. BUt Vargas did Own the whole damn team.


oh whatever, Psylocke was used as a punching bag i her asian body just as much...

http://psylocke.club.fr/gallerie/crimson/016.jpg

however, this is clearly not Betsy in the british body unfortunately. it's either Kwannon or some other person. Wolverine says it's not her and would have sensed it was Betsy. he wouldn't have attacked or nearly killed her if she was inside the body. i think it's either Kwannon or maybe one of the alternate Psylockes from Sword of the Braddocks. How was this even "The Return of Psylocke" and why was Asian Psylocke on the alternate cover? She's not in it at all. sigh what a let down, although I am happy they didn't make her Asian yet.


It's her. BB is here to stay me thinks. A lil Emma unbrainwashing will remove Any stains.

You are correct.

If he DOES eventually write her (I'm still surprised she's not in his lineup), the trick is writing her WELL otherwise it won't matter which body she's in.

Claremont did very well with her back when the X-Men were on Muir Island and during the Outback years. He's had control over her for many years since then but hasn't delivered.

I agree. Back in the Outback and Pre-eras. Claremont did extremely well. Then I think he had a 9 year brain fart or something.



Even though it's Land, still...


Land needs to quit.. seriously.. The art in this issue was beyond bad.
VERY confusing to.

atleast psylocke had gone down as a hero and not some scared brit chick running around screaming for help in a cheap pink walmart dress.

Seriously you should do comedy. You say the coolest things.


That's what I took it to mean, however that's also what gives me hope he'll have her changed back since its only cosmetic (if that's the proper term for what Spiral does).

Desides CC Alan Davis is the real creator of Betsy (he gave her purple hair) and reading what he's said he hates the Asian version and thinks they should have created a seperate character and he personally gave her her pink outfit in X-men to show don't judge a book by it's cover. She may look beautiful and girly but will still kick your ass, like Emma Peel on the Avengers as she showed in #212. I wonder who ruined that by giving her the armor?

I love the armor. It was Art Adams creation. The only problem with it was. Art adams is an Artist.. and most Comic "Artists" just draw. So the armor came across bad in some issues and was colored wrongly alot. Only Silvestri and Adams seemed to have a good handle on it.

The armor was mysterious and serious. Girly yet full of ass kickery.

[Tazirai]

i love how battered and swollen british betsys face looks in the first panel. looks like logan had quite the workout on her face.:evilsmile:

Dont you know NOBODY can beat Wolverine anymore?

Hell he took a Nuke a point blank range and lived from NITRO of all people.

Wolverine is this years pet at Marvel. So even though Betsy cvame back. They had to Worf Effect her and Deathstrike to show how tough Overshowverine is.

[Drey]

Dont you know NOBODY can beat Wolverine anymore?


Yeah, that was ridiculous. She's beat him at least twice before when she was Lady Mandarin. Well, the second time she ended up as crazy as he was...

[madrox1977]

I'm suire its probably ben mentioned before, but whatever happended to Jamie's binding her so tightly that nobody could mess with her or possess her or read her mind etc...[think last bit may just be something i think happened.]

Maddy shouldnt have been able to do this to her.

[Tazirai]

I'm suire its probably ben mentioned before, but whatever happended to Jamie's binding her so tightly that nobody could mess with her or possess her or read her mind etc...[think last bit may just be something i think happened.]

Maddy shouldnt have been able to do this to her.

Magic is Marvels way of Solving.. well EVERYTHING. So she was immune to all but magic.

[jarrod]

Magic is Marvels way of Solving.. well EVERYTHING. So she was immune to all but magic.
She was immune to Spiral's X-Baby spell before though.

CC already contradicted the "impenetrable" side effect in neXiles though iirc... the no-prize answer is probably just that Jamie's tight binding loosened a bit or whatever.

[Darkchylde]

I'm suire its probably ben mentioned before, but whatever happended to Jamie's binding her so tightly that nobody could mess with her or possess her or read her mind etc...[think last bit may just be something i think happened.]

Maddy shouldnt have been able to do this to her.


Yup, it's been mentioned quite a few times on here already, but it looks as though that bit of continuity - for the sake of progressing the 'Sisterhood' storyline and Psylocke's return to the X-Men - is being ignored.

Personally, this latest issue of Uncanny didn't even warrant a pick-up from me; I just skimmed through it at my local comic book store. I know other posters (Tazirai, Psycwave, and Askanipsion especially) have ardently pleaded for the return of British Psylocke, while I and my fellow status quo supporters have asked that Asian Psylocke remain, but seriously, what the HELL actually happened in this issue?

Wolverine comments that the woman he's been fighting isn't his teammate and that despite whatever parts of her might be in her former body, this isn't the real Psylocke. My question, then, is, how literal is that remark?

Is Wolverine referring to Psylocke being under the Red Queen's thrall - is that what he meant by "This ain't my teammate"? Or do his super senses tell him that Psylocke isn't really Psylocke? If so, then who's inside British Betsy? Kwannon? Maybe only a portion of Betsy is inside her original body and the rest is still in her Asian one?

This storyline just needs to hurry up and die so that we can move on to the next one.

[psycwave]

She was immune to Spiral's X-Baby spell before though.

CC already contradicted the "impenetrable" side effect in neXiles though iirc... the no-prize answer is probably just that Jamie's tight binding loosened a bit or whatever.

Yeah. Maybe something happened to Jamie while he was fighitng the First Fallen and his remake on Betsy became null and void.

[Tazirai]

She was immune to Spiral's X-Baby spell before though.

CC already contradicted the "impenetrable" side effect in neXiles though iirc... the no-prize answer is probably just that Jamie's tight binding loosened a bit or whatever.

I'll have to go with that. Since it seems Marvel can magically use Magic to magic away anything not magic...
Magicked away spideys history.
Seemingly Magicked away the Hulk.
They use so much magic now.. it's no longer delicious.

[jarrod]

Yeah. Maybe something happened to Jamie while he was fighitng the First Fallen and his remake on Betsy became null and void.
He was helping Brian too over in MI13... maybe his attentions diverted had something to do with it?

It was also implied that Betsy's resurrection was somehow linked to Rachel (and by extension the Phoenix). Given all that's happening in that area (Rachel/Korvus, Hope, Maddie, etc) maybe another reason?

Actually, I sort of wonder if this "link" might be why Maddie was so interested in using Betsy as her "test run"?

[lockerogue]

He was helping Brian too over in MI13... maybe his attentions diverted had something to do with it?

It was also implied that Betsy's resurrection was somehow linked to Rachel (and by extension the Phoenix). Given all that's happening in that area (Rachel/Korvus, Hope, Maddie, etc) maybe another reason?

Actually, I sort of wonder if this "link" might be why Maddie was so interested in using Betsy as her "test run"?

Maybe they had a fling while living in the Outback.

[jarrod]

Maybe they had a fling while living in the Outback.
I can see it! :biggrin:

[eurazn]

I can see it! :biggrin:

They both had designs on Havok. It was a 3-way gone awry.

[jarrod]

They both had designs on Havok. It was a 3-way gone awry.
lol. First Maddie/Betsy, then Emma/Ororo. Lex has got it going on!

[lockerogue]

I really wish Havok was back from space. Havok and Maddie could have been reunited.

[jarrod]

I really wish Havok was back from space. Havok and Maddie could have been reunited.
Red King? YAS PLZ!!!

[kk1]

I love the armor. It was Art Adams creation. The only problem with it was. Art adams is an Artist.. and most Comic "Artists" just draw. So the armor came across bad in some issues and was colored wrongly alot. Only Silvestri and Adams seemed to have a good handle on it.

The armor was mysterious and serious. Girly yet full of ass kickery.

Really? Where did you hear that? I thought it first appeared in Wolverine #5 (worn by Tyger Tiger and Lindsay McCabe ).

[Selene]

This storyline just needs to hurry up and die so that we can move on to the next one.
Tell me about it.It's really ridiculous how people think that Fraction will bring Betsy to a newer direction,granted that he is basically repeating the same story-lines again and again;Betsy gets all messed-up and violated by the bad guys(or,rather,girls)and turns against her allies(and not to mention that she is only used as a plot-device AGAIN).Wow,way to try something new with the character,Mr.Fraction.I can see now that my friend was right all along about this arc;this is not a story focusing on "simplifying" Psylocke,this is nothing,but another tasteless Emma/Cyclops/Wolverine fan-fiction.

[Tazirai]

Really? Where did you hear that? I thought it first appeared in Wolverine #5 (worn by Tyger Tiger and Lindsay McCabe ).

If you go back a few pages I posted the art armour concepts and Art Adams name is on it. it's also stated in the X-men Archives artbook he created it.

[Mr_Hellfire]

this is nothing,but another tasteless Emma/Cyclops/Wolverine fan-fiction.
SO TRUE.

Seriously, why can't Betsy come in normally?
After watching Charmed for so long, I am really sick of the "Guess-who's possessed-this-week!" thing.

She should just come in and BE BRITISH!

And I don't mean as in her body, although it'd be nice since Asian Betsy gets the cover with the cliched stereotypical Asian things behind her.
Despite the fact that she's British.

[Selene]

Exactly.As I have repeatedly stated,I am a fan of Asian ninja Betsy and I'm praying that,once she comes back to her senses by the next issue,*she* will be the one who gets to choose which body she wants to inhabit.

[psycwave]

The only thing I truley always wanted for Betys was to come in and be written well. It didnt matter what body she was in just as long as my girl was back. When Fraction, Alonso, and the rest hyped it up so much I was poistive that Betsy was gonna come and do wonders. They way the Sisterhood arc was hyped I was sure this would be her time to shine. I was wrong. Fraction is content on focusing on his Fantastic Four(Emma, Scott, Wolvie, Pixie) and no one else. I wanted Betts back in 616 and I got my wish. Now I no longer want her in Uncanny. Im still gonna hold out hope on the Dark X-men and Utopia stuff but Im just not sure anymore. My hope goes to my BFF Mike Carey. Im gonna do all I can to make sure this guy gets to write Psylocke before 09 is over.

[Loki]

He was helping Brian too over in MI13... maybe his attentions diverted had something to do with it?


Jamie wasn't in CB & MI13. He hasn't been seen since taking on the First Fallen.

[CmX]

I was thinking about the next Uncanny issue and was thinking that Pixie somehow uses her soul dagger to release Betsy and somehow it reverts Betsy back to Kwannon's body.

Hope I'm wrong, but that's the only way I can see Maddie's influence over Betsy being released.

[peopleofpaper]

I was thinking about the next Uncanny issue and was thinking that Pixie somehow uses her soul dagger to release Betsy and somehow it reverts Betsy back to Kwannon's body.

Hope I'm wrong, but that's the only way I can see Maddie's influence over Betsy being released.


i will cry if Pixie goes down in history for saving Betsy's soul.

[CmX]

Any theories on how it'll happen? That's the only thing that comes to mind. Something has to break the magic or disrupt Maddie's hold and spells on Betsy that reverts Psylocke. And Pixie is going around stab happy with that little dagger of hers. She's itchin to save the day one more time.

[Bronze Badger]

Any theories on how it'll happen? That's the only thing that comes to mind. Something has to break the magic or disrupt Maddie's hold and spells on Betsy that reverts Psylocke. And Pixie is going around stab happy with that little dagger of hers. She's itchin to save the day one more time.

I have faithfull collected Uncanny since issue #275 and I am seriously considering dropping it. That's how full of crap this is.

[CmX]

I have faithfull collected Uncanny since issue #275 and I am seriously considering dropping it. That's how full of crap this is.

Just stick it out a bit longer! Atleast for Dodson next month, Fraction's Uncanny is a lot more tolerable with Dodson's issues. I don't think Fraction will last much long as writer IMO. Not saying I know anything, but I think things will change soon. We just got to be a bit patient.

I think Marvel will eventually realize that Yost is Uncanny's best bet OR Cornell!

What they should do with Uncanny is pull a BND, have it released three times a month, with Mike Carey, Paul Cornell and Yost rotating arcs! That way tons of characters will have plenty of face time and we would have this book back to the quality it should receive.

[Justin K.]

I miss the old days of Psylocke.
The days from The Mutant Massacre, to the Muir Island Saga
Read some of those issues and felt reminiscent.

We need that Psylocke back, British or not.

[eurazn]

I have faithfull collected Uncanny since issue #275 and I am seriously considering dropping it. That's how full of crap this is.

The majority of this board feels your pain!

I miss the old days of Psylocke.
The days from The Mutant Massacre, to the Muir Island Saga
Read some of those issues and felt reminiscent.

We need that Psylocke back, British or not.

Quoted for so much truth, Justin. Regardless of her body, it's that kind of characterization that she needs.

[Bronze Badger]

The majority of this board feels your pain!

I even held on during the Austen run with the anime art. This is just.........retardedness.

[Justin K.]

Quoted for so much truth, Justin. Regardless of her body, it's that kind of characterization that she needs.

I think I just miss the old days in general.
Betsy was strong, but could be sexy too.

[peopleofpaper]

your theory makes the most sense CmX, i can't think of any logical other way she'd return to her other body or become good again. I was hoping the X-men would keep her around instead of throwing her back into the portal. At first I thought Wolverine just knocked her out. I feel like the problem with Uncanny is that they just come up with illogical solutions and there's always a dumb random reason for everything in the end. That's probably why it'd be so hard to get new readers. Anyone can do anything in these books.

As much as people hate Land, I am not a fan of Dodson's Asian Psylocke at all lol.

http://i40.tinypic.com/20afei9.png

however, he does do a better British Betsy

http://i42.tinypic.com/2i10aw3.png

[Justin K.]

To you fans, how would you make Psylocke good again?
How would you do things different from Fraction?
Be creative

[CmX]

My perfect Psylocke would of course be British body back, telepathic abilities, light precog so that it's not totally deux ex machina, butterfly energy signature, psychic knife, but not heavily reliant on it, her ninja skills retained (NO katanas, real or psychic).

As for personality, I'd like to have her written as scary, but only as far as when Jim Lee drew her she had this serious kick your ass face that seemed so intimidating. I liked the ideas of her always landing on her feet like a cat and being elegant and very fluid in her fighting and movements. Not appear and try hard to hit someone only to get knocked back ten feet by some lackey. And I'd keep her single and never get involved with any X-Man ever again because anymore and she's pretty much laid with everyone thanks mostly in part to Claremont. I'm going on and on, but that's the gist of it.

[Bronze Badger]

To you fans, how would you make Psylocke good again?
How would you do things different from Fraction?
Be creative

Have her join X-Force. Period. Done. End of Story.

[peopleofpaper]

I honestly don't think Fraction is that horrible. My only concern is the whole body swap shouldn't have been done if in the end she is Asian because it was pointless. If he switched her it should be permanent because it was unnecessary otherwise. I do not like Fraction's dialog in general. "What? Shh What? What?" "Really guys Really?"... But the story is pretty fun with the sisterhood and everything, it's just that it takes so long to finish one story and they have like three dragging on. I would hope Fraction would eventually turn Psylocke good and have her have the same relationship with the team that CC gave her after her last return - being snarky and funny towards Emma, being playfully sexual, close bonds and friendships with Storm, Nightcrawler, and Beast... Overall being classy without being mean so I guess a lot like Emma except with class. I hope she's not just another cameo for Fraction. She needs to take place with the real team and make the Young X-men like Pixie be in the background.

plus all of the stuff CmX said

[CmX]

Fraction and Axel Alonso has made it clear that they really like Psylocke a lot, the X-Office has been trying to get Betsy from Claremont for years and they finally have. Psylocke while only back three issues has had more panel time than Dazzler, Karma, Storm to name a few. I mean a lot of this storyline is about Psylocke's return and the Sisterhood's motivation. #512 solicit reads about the X-Men dealing with an X-Woman's return, it's clearly Psylocke seeing as she's on the cover. I've heard that she won't be much of a background character so I'm not worried.

[peopleofpaper]

Oh I don't think she's a background character now, but I'm just fearful about her when the whole Dark X-men thing starts happening. There's going to be so much going on after 512 I wonder if she's going to be able to shine. I mean if he makes people like Storm of all people wallpaper I don't know how safe it is for Bets.

[Justin K.]

I meant how would you have brought her back?
She was brought back through the sisterhood
How would you have had her return?
What you wanna do with her after the return is optional.

[Bronze Badger]

I meant how would you have brought her back?
She was brought back through the sisterhood
How would you have had her return?
What you wanna do with her after the return is optional.

I would have had Jamie bring her back. Simple and easy.

[peopleofpaper]

I meant how would you have brought her back?
She was brought back through the sisterhood
How would you have had her return?
What you wanna do with her after the return is optional.

I like the Sisterhood thing, I would keep it the same. It looked cool visually too. What I would have done differently is had them revive the British body and put Psylocke in it, and then taken the Asian body to build the ultimate warrior with Kwannon's spirit and maybe a different powerset like keep her teke. That way Kwannon would be in the Asian body used as a weapon and the invasion and British Betsy would be in her original body because they felt she was weaker as a British telepath. Then she swoops in and saves the day proving she was capable all along and Kwannon is set free from Maddie's mind control and joins the Uncanny team while British Betsy goes to Legacy with Rouge and Gambit. :biggrin:

[CmX]

I'm happy with how she was brought back. I thought it was neat that Maddie thought so highly of Psylocke and apparently went through a bit of trouble to bring her there. It was cool seeing her in all those restraints and the whole ritual that was preformed was cool IMO. So really I wouldn't have done it differently? It was better than her just instantly appearing like how CC did it.

It didn't make any sense when CC revived her, there was no time apparently between her death and all those "months" when she returned other than that brief appearance in dreamtime with Bishop. So where was she that whole time if Psylocke herself said the last thing she remembered was Bishop ?

[eurazn]

I'm not sure why Psylocke, who is still wielding a psychic knife, didn't do THIS during her battle with Wolverine in UXM 510:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/psyvswolvie.jpg

I am :mad:

[Scavenger]

Fraction and Axel Alonso has made it clear that they really like Psylocke a lot, the X-Office has been trying to get Betsy from Claremont for years and they finally have. Psylocke while only back three issues has had more panel time than Dazzler, Karma, Storm to name a few. I mean a lot of this storyline is about Psylocke's return and the Sisterhood's motivation. #512 solicit reads about the X-Men dealing with an X-Woman's return, it's clearly Psylocke seeing as she's on the cover. I've heard that she won't be much of a background character so I'm not worried.

Yeah...they're going to focus on Psylocke. Because she's just so much more likely then the whole stupid Phoenix/Jean resurrection they've been building to.:rolleyes:

Oh, and if you really think they haven't used Psylocke cuz Claremont was using her, you don't have a clue how modern comics work. The editor of the line and the writer on the top book can yank a character from the low selling book whenever they want, regardless of who's writing that. Claremont didn't have the pull to keep Beast in Xtreeme back when Morrison wanted a Cat Beast, and he's far lower on the totem pole today.

[.LuckyStar.]

Oh, and if you really think they haven't used Psylocke cuz Claremont was using her, you don't have a clue how modern comics work. The editor of the line and the writer on the top book can yank a character from the low selling book whenever they want, regardless of who's writing that. Claremont didn't have the pull to keep Beast in Xtreeme back when Morrison wanted a Cat Beast, and he's far lower on the totem pole today.

Why didn't they yank Psylocke from Claremont when Mike Carey wanted to use her in Rogue's team then? Carey even went to say "I still haven't managed to get my thieving paws on her" in a X-Position. I'm pretty sure that taking Psylocke to Exiles was one of the demands CC made when he was moved to that book.

[Selene]

Why didn't they yank Psylocke from Claremont when Mike Carey wanted to use her in Rogue's team then? Carey even went to say "I still haven't managed to get my thieving paws on her" in a X-Position. I'm pretty sure that taking Psylocke to Exiles was one of the demands CC made when he was moved to that book.
Er,um,well,I suppose that since Claremont is credited with the creation of Psylocke,he definetely has more right to use her than any other writer...But,regardless,what is done is done and now that Mike has confirmed that he is going to use her in the future,we can only hope that he will do some justice to her,as he did to Rogue.Seeing my two favourite female comic-book characters appear in the same book will be a dream coming true! :smile:

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Er,um,well,I suppose that since Claremont is credited with the creation of Psylocke,he definetely has more right to use her than any other writer...

I'd argue that while technically Claremont created Elizabeth Braddock, all of the elements which built up to making her into Psylocke (Powers and personality) were courtesy of Alan Moore and later Jamie Delano. It was at that point CC reacquired her.

[psycwave]

I'm not sure why Psylocke, who is still wielding a psychic knife, didn't do THIS during her battle with Wolverine in UXM 510:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/psyvswolvie.jpg

I am :mad:

Because Fraction is a F%#@(@& twit.

Yeah...they're going to focus on Psylocke. Because she's just so much more likely then the whole stupid Phoenix/Jean resurrection they've been building to.:rolleyes:

Oh, and if you really think they haven't used Psylocke cuz Claremont was using her, you don't have a clue how modern comics work. The editor of the line and the writer on the top book can yank a character from the low selling book whenever they want, regardless of who's writing that. Claremont didn't have the pull to keep Beast in Xtreeme back when Morrison wanted a Cat Beast, and he's far lower on the totem pole today.

And Psylocke was supposed to be the focal point of at least issue 510. I mean they were kinda hyping her return for months and even callin isse 510 "The return of Psylocke" so you would think that she would be focused on a little bit more.

It had been stated numerous times by editors and CC himself that he was taking Psylocke to the Exiles with him. She was his "baby" and his "pet character" and he wanted her so he took her.


As for how the Sisterhood brought Betsy back, I can live with it. It was fun and simple. It was actually executed nice in the beginning.

[kk1]

I'm not sure why Psylocke, who is still wielding a psychic knife, didn't do THIS during her battle with Wolverine in UXM 510:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/psyvswolvie.jpg

I am :mad:


I wonder if Asian Betsy would have been as popular if they left her in the Hand armor?

[kk1]

I'd argue that while technically Claremont created Elizabeth Braddock, all of the elements which built up to making her into Psylocke (Powers and personality) were courtesy of Alan Moore and later Jamie Delano. It was at that point CC reacquired her.

Alan Davis wrote the last 2 Captain Britain stories where Betsy fights as CB and gets blinded and Claremont admits he didn't recognize the characters he had created but the changes were all for the better and he couldn't wait to get his grubby hands on them again (thus Excalibur and bringing Betsy to the X-men).

[Darkchylde]

I'm happy with how she was brought back. I thought it was neat that Maddie thought so highly of Psylocke and apparently went through a bit of trouble to bring her there. It was cool seeing her in all those restraints and the whole ritual that was preformed was cool IMO. So really I wouldn't have done it differently? It was better than her just instantly appearing like how CC did it.

It didn't make any sense when CC revived her, there was no time apparently between her death and all those "months" when she returned other than that brief appearance in dreamtime with Bishop. So where was she that whole time if Psylocke herself said the last thing she remembered was Bishop ?


Actually, some time had passed between Psylocke's death and resurrection. It was stated in Uncanny X-Men that one year had gone by, but that the last thing Psylocke remembered was seeing Bishop in the Dreamtime.

[eurazn]

I wonder if Asian Betsy would have been as popular if they left her in the Hand armor?

I think Asian Betsy would have been as popular if she kept her telepathy and used it as cunningly as she did previously, never acquired telekinesis, and did more then use the "focused totality of her telepathic powers."

I've said this before, but I thought Asian Betsy had promise when she first appeared. She's just been so ... ruined ... since then.

[psycwave]

I think Asian Betsy would have been as popular if she kept her telepathy and used it as cunningly as she did previously, never acquired telekinesis, and did more then use the "focused totality of her telepathic powers."

I've said this before, but I thought Asian Betsy had promise when she first appeared. She's just been so ... ruined ... since then.

Aint that the truth.

Im still waiting to see exactly what powers Psylocke has now. The psychic knife screams Telepathy, but then again when Land did that New Exiles cover he drew Betts with a psychic knife even though she still had TK.

[Leogam]

I'd argue that while technically Claremont created Elizabeth Braddock, all of the elements which built up to making her into Psylocke (Powers and personality) were courtesy of Alan Moore and later Jamie Delano. It was at that point CC reacquired her.

Thats not neccessarily true in the first series of Captain Britain, it was Claremont who already established her as a precog/telepath and not Moore:
" Next Betsy would be influenced by mind control by Dr. Synne. They would be able to restrain Betsy but it was nothing short of easy. Next Brian would defeat Synne and he would lose control over one of his agents, who would reveal that he was truly working for the Red Skull. Brian and Betsy would team up with Captain America to defeat the Red Skull, this is when Betsy first used her newly manifested powers. Betsy discovered that she had precognitive abilities that grew to telepathic powers. "

As for her personality Claremont already already stamped on that she was an adreniline junkie & she loved excitment, thats partly why he gave her a job as a charter pilot. She then pursued an exciting career as a top fashion model in Super Spider-Man and Captain Britain #243. Moore played that up with her joining STRIKE & eventually taking up the mantle of Captain Britain.
In addition when she was little it was established that she was a tomboy, but when she got older im sure her mother ingrained in her head to become a lady, even though betsy wanted to become the opposite. As time went on she longed to become tougher as in not being a liability in battle, she wanted to be able to defend herself (in hand to hand combat) & those she cared about, and she learned that through extensive physical training with the Hand.
I always enjoyed the conflict of her maintaing her lady like ways vs. the tough girl that wanted to come out, the same way Wolvie fights between man vs. beast.

What I would like to see is Psylocke retain just her telepathic (butterfly, psychoblast) & precognitive powers, including her ninja training & purple hair
1) A new purple/pink costume that incorporates concepts from her previous costumes (she doesnt need the armor or cape now seeing as how she knows how to defend herself even tho it was my favorite)
2) Since Captain Britain MI:13 is being canceled either ship her off to X-Force or to Mike Carey's book

As for Kwannon let her retain her ninja training with her empathic powers, the psychic knives. with black hair
1) and have her become a villian for good either with the sisterhood or on her own

[CmX]

Actually, some time had passed between Psylocke's death and resurrection. It was stated in Uncanny X-Men that one year had gone by, but that the last thing Psylocke remembered was seeing Bishop in the Dreamtime.

Yes. I know that's my whole point.

[Loki]

Thats not neccessarily true in the first series of Captain Britain, it was Claremont who already established her as a precog/telepath and not Moore:
Claremont had left long before we got hints that Betsy might have precog powers. The first sign of them was Captain Britain #34.

" Next Betsy would be influenced by mind control by Dr. Synne. They would be able to restrain Betsy but it was nothing short of easy. Next Brian would defeat Synne and he would lose control over one of his agents, who would reveal that he was truly working for the Red Skull. Brian and Betsy would team up with Captain America to defeat the Red Skull, this is when Betsy first used her newly manifested powers. Betsy discovered that she had precognitive abilities that grew to telepathic powers. "
Betsy didn't team up with Brian and Captain America to defeat the Red Skull. She got held hostage by the Skull's agent Dr. Ramsey, freed by Brian and Cap, and then Jamie took her home to recuperate from having been mind controlled and held prisoner. She had nothing more to do with that story.

[kk1]

Here's AD take on Asian Pylocke from his forum:

"I have no idea exactly why Betsy/Psylocke was changed. Her transformation into an oriental (No one at Marvel was ever able to give a definite ethnicity) Elektra clone removed any connection to her original incarnation so she may as well have been a totally new character. In Captain Britain, Betsy was established as the perhaps cliché British Lady heroine whose poise, frills and decorum hid a capable and dangerous ‘strong’ female— not unlike Purdey in the New Avengers TV series or Lady Penelope in Thunderbirds. Her costume and attitude in X-men was supposed to play to that conceit and to be a deliberately uncomfortable fit. Sadly, the idea of character diversity has been lost to homogenization and the notion all characters must be sexy or ‘kewl’.

Alan"

[Tazirai]

I wonder if Asian Betsy would have been as popular if they left her in the Hand armor?

Nope. Simple. Period. End of Story. The Asian Psylocke fanbase seriouslly started because of her Thong. THEN some of her Asian form fans began to love the character for other reasons. I know Some female friends that like her in both forms. And some of them cosplay the asian form simply cuz they like being half nekkid.. NO LIE!.. These are friends and I love em to death. but I have to LOL at them sometimes.

So she would have been popular for awhile because of the change. But not as "Popular" as she has become. Which isnt saying much.

To you fans, how would you make Psylocke good again?
How would you do things different from Fraction?
Be creative

For me thats easy. I'd keep Psylocke British and Make Kwannon into Revanche. Psylocke would join Whatever team Carey is writing, and Revanche would join Stabby force.

I'd give fans of Both forms the best of both worlds. I'd explore Kwannons Adjustment to being back and her past. Focus on Psylocke being Home in her Birth body, The complications of that and What it would have meant. Specifically the fact that she would have died due to the Legacy Virus.. Whih should not have affected her in the least. It would lead to stories focusing on the Other world she hails from.

your theory makes the most sense CmX, i can't think of any logical other way she'd return to her other body or become good again. I was hoping the X-men would keep her around instead of throwing her back into the portal. At first I thought Wolverine just knocked her out. I feel like the problem with Uncanny is that they just come up with illogical solutions and there's always a dumb random reason for everything in the end. That's probably why it'd be so hard to get new readers. Anyone can do anything in these books.

As much as people hate Land, I am not a fan of Dodson's Asian Psylocke at all lol.

http://i40.tinypic.com/20afei9.png

however, he does do a better British Betsy

http://i42.tinypic.com/2i10aw3.png

I agree with you on his British Besty Art. it looks damn good. She sexy without being oversexified. asian kwannon looks good also.

I miss the old days of Psylocke.
The days from The Mutant Massacre, to the Muir Island Saga
Read some of those issues and felt reminiscent.

We need that Psylocke back, British or not.

Im with you on this one.

I was thinking about the next Uncanny issue and was thinking that Pixie somehow uses her soul dagger to release Betsy and somehow it reverts Betsy back to Kwannon's body.

Hope I'm wrong, but that's the only way I can see Maddie's influence over Betsy being released.

I dont think she'll revert back into the asian body. More like it will free her mind if anything. I know some people want her asian again.. But Idont think it's in the cards for now.

[Tazirai]

I think Asian Betsy would have been as popular if she kept her telepathy and used it as cunningly as she did previously, never acquired telekinesis, and did more then use the "focused totality of her telepathic powers."

I've said this before, but I thought Asian Betsy had promise when she first appeared. She's just been so ... ruined ... since then.

Im with you again on this. I LOVED asian form when she first appeared. The Armor and Psi-Knife sealed it. Because at least for awhile she was still being written classy and used her powers in tactiful ways. Then she turned into Eye candy.

[Tazirai]

Thats not neccessarily true in the first series of Captain Britain, it was Claremont who already established her as a precog/telepath and not Moore:
" Next Betsy would be influenced by mind control by Dr. Synne. They would be able to restrain Betsy but it was nothing short of easy. Next Brian would defeat Synne and he would lose control over one of his agents, who would reveal that he was truly working for the Red Skull. Brian and Betsy would team up with Captain America to defeat the Red Skull, this is when Betsy first used her newly manifested powers. Betsy discovered that she had precognitive abilities that grew to telepathic powers. "

As for her personality Claremont already already stamped on that she was an adreniline junkie & she loved excitment, thats partly why he gave her a job as a charter pilot. She then pursued an exciting career as a top fashion model in Super Spider-Man and Captain Britain #243. Moore played that up with her joining STRIKE & eventually taking up the mantle of Captain Britain.
In addition when she was little it was established that she was a tomboy, but when she got older im sure her mother ingrained in her head to become a lady, even though betsy wanted to become the opposite. As time went on she longed to become tougher as in not being a liability in battle, she wanted to be able to defend herself (in hand to hand combat) & those she cared about, and she learned that through extensive physical training with the Hand.
I always enjoyed the conflict of her maintaing her lady like ways vs. the tough girl that wanted to come out, the same way Wolvie fights between man vs. beast.

What I would like to see is Psylocke retain just her telepathic (butterfly, psychoblast) & precognitive powers, including her ninja training & purple hair
1) A new purple/pink costume that incorporates concepts from her previous costumes (she doesnt need the armor or cape now seeing as how she knows how to defend herself even tho it was my favorite)
2) Since Captain Britain MI:13 is being canceled either ship her off to X-Force or to Mike Carey's book

As for Kwannon let her retain her ninja training with her empathic powers, the psychic knives. with black hair
1) and have her become a villian for good either with the sisterhood or on her own

Good recap and good ideas Here.

[Selene]

Here's AD take on Asian Pylocke from his forum:

"I have no idea exactly why Betsy/Psylocke was changed. Her transformation into an oriental (No one at Marvel was ever able to give a definite ethnicity) Elektra clone removed any connection to her original incarnation so she may as well have been a totally new character. In Captain Britain, Betsy was established as the perhaps cliché British Lady heroine whose poise, frills and decorum hid a capable and dangerous ‘strong’ female— not unlike Purdey in the New Avengers TV series or Lady Penelope in Thunderbirds. Her costume and attitude in X-men was supposed to play to that conceit and to be a deliberately uncomfortable fit. Sadly, the idea of character diversity has been lost to homogenization and the notion all characters must be sexy or ‘kewl’.

Alan"
As much as I respect Alan Davis,I must say that by calling Asian Psylocke an "oriental Elektra clone" implies that he is clueless as far as Asian Psylocke is concerned.I fail to understand how on Earth a female ninja trained by the Hand should be automatically regard as an Elektra rip-off.

[Tazirai]

Here's AD take on Asian Pylocke from his forum:

"I have no idea exactly why Betsy/Psylocke was changed. Her transformation into an oriental (No one at Marvel was ever able to give a definite ethnicity) Elektra clone removed any connection to her original incarnation so she may as well have been a totally new character. In Captain Britain, Betsy was established as the perhaps cliché British Lady heroine whose poise, frills and decorum hid a capable and dangerous ‘strong’ female— not unlike Purdey in the New Avengers TV series or Lady Penelope in Thunderbirds. Her costume and attitude in X-men was supposed to play to that conceit and to be a deliberately uncomfortable fit. Sadly, the idea of character diversity has been lost to homogenization and the notion all characters must be sexy or ‘kewl’.

Alan"
Love that. That's pretty much my sentiment on the whole shoddy thing.

[kk1]

As much as I respect Alan Davis,I must say that by calling Asian Psylocke an "oriental Elektra clone" implies that he is clueless as far as Asian Psylocke is concerned.I fail to understand how on Earth a female ninja trained by the Hand should be automatically regard as an Elektra rip-off.

Because that's what Elektra IS? Their oufits are almost identical too , his point was that whatever that character is it's not Betsy.

[Selene]

Because that's what Elektra IS? Their oufits are almost identical too , his point was that whatever that character is it's not Betsy.
Maybe so,but again Psylocke has never been a messed up individual who finds pleasure in killing people.And *that* is what Elektra is.

[Justin K.]

I don't know if it's me, but I like how Psylocke was portrayed earlier on
When I say that, I mean the art. I mean, this pic as an example, she looks stunning
She doesn't look like an anime character or any features over-exaggerated, just genuine beauty
Silvestri made the best Asian Psylocke, no doubt about it.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/OldSchoolPsylockeAsian.jpg

[Selene]

I don't know if it's me, but I like how Psylocke was portrayed earlier on
When I say that, I mean the art. I mean, this pic as an example, she looks stunning
She doesn't look like an anime character or any features over-exaggerated, just genuine beauty
Jim Lee made the best Asian Psylocke, no doubt about it.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/OldSchoolPsylockeAsian.jpg
Isn't that pencilled by Silvestri?

[Justin K.]

Isn't that pencilled by Silvestri?

Sorry, got the artist and writers names mixed up :P
EDITED IT

[kk1]

I thought Silvestri left before she was changed or did he keep doing it after her change until Lee became the regular penciler?

[Selene]

I thought Silvestri left before she was changed or did he keep doing it after her change until Lee became the regular penciler?
He worked only for one more arc,as far as I remember,then Lee became the regular penciller.

[Justin K.]

He worked only for one more arc,as far as I remember,then Lee became the regular penciller.

The following image mislead me.
The cover was by lee, I assumed it was lee
but the interior was silvestri.
It's from Uncanny X-men 261

[CmX]

I totally agree with Davis. Who knows what CC was thinking when he ninjified her. It would've been cool if instead of making her face Asian, he covered it with a mask to conceil her identity as opposed to making her faux Asian. Oh well, his fuck up and he regrets it.

[Dagger]

I totally agree with Davis. Who knows what CC was thinking when he ninjified her. It would've been cool if instead of making her face Asian, he covered it with a mask to conceil her identity as opposed to making her faux Asian. Oh well, his fuck up and he regrets it.
I thought the idea to turn her Asian came from Lee?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Dagger? OT, but is that Kitty image taken of the Jim Lee door poster Marvel just reissued?

[Dagger]

Dagger? OT, but is that Kitty image taken of the Jim Lee door poster Marvel just reissued?
Why, yes I believe it is. TSID!! I just recieved Excalibur #1-75 in the mail today! I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!

[Drey]

I thought the idea to turn her Asian came from Lee?

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that CC was the one that wanted to turn her Asian--though temporary, but Lee thought that it would be a good idea to keep her Asian because it was well received.

[kk1]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that CC was the one that wanted to turn her Asian--though temporary, but Lee thought that it would be a good idea to keep her Asian because it was well received.


Yeah when I was reading it I always assumed it was temporary and kept waiting for them to change her back (like everyone else who went through the Siege Perilous)...and waiting...and waiting...

[kk1]

Why, yes I believe it is. TSID!! I just recieved Excalibur #1-75 in the mail today! I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!


Then you should use a Alan Davis Kitty picture, he drew her better than anyone

http://www.alandavis-comicart.com/images/WB7.jpg

[infernohara]

Wow. I didn't know that the asian tranformation was only temporary. It must have been well recieved because I've never seen Psylocke British. (I've always wondered what she was like).

I may miss the asian psylocke now because i was so used to it. I'll get over it though as the Revanche character is back as well. I just hope they go their separate ways. Or keep Psylocke a puppet for the meantime.

[CmX]

Revanche isn't back though.

[psycwave]

Revanche isn't back though.

Thank goodness.

[psycwave]

I thought the idea to turn her Asian came from Lee?

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that CC was the one that wanted to turn her Asian--though temporary, but Lee thought that it would be a good idea to keep her Asian because it was well received.

Yeah CC had only planed for Psy to be Asian for like an arc or two but the image design was so well recieved(wank off crew) that they decided to make it longer lasting. I believe he was gonna have her switched back when he started the X-men title but as we know he left and millions of his plots got abandoned.

[Aguja]

Did it really matter though? To me after Lee left Psylocke hardly ever looked Asian. I usually totally forgot she was.

[cgar]

I have become disenfrachised my fellow Betsy Lovers. Lands are pisses me off. And although I knew she was coming back I didnt really want her in Uncanny. Knowing this rotating cast doesnt work. i hope she gets good stuff and not be wallpaper like Storm of all people. Fraction is becoming lame to me because of everything that is pointed out in his run.

Its just BLAH!! and Uncanny could be so much better. I dont want Psylocke in a book thats so lame right now. And I hope your wrong CMX about Pixie saving the day yet again. But it does make sense. so DAMN

[psycwave]

I have become disenfrachised my fellow Betsy Lovers. Lands are pisses me off. And although I knew she was coming back I didnt really want her in Uncanny. Knowing this rotating cast doesnt work. i hope she gets good stuff and not be wallpaper like Storm of all people. Fraction is becoming lame to me because of everything that is pointed out in his run.

Its just BLAH!! and Uncanny could be so much better. I dont want Psylocke in a book thats so lame right now. And I hope your wrong CMX about Pixie saving the day yet again. But it does make sense. so DAMN

We all hope Pixie doesnt save the day. Do not worry cgar, I have some power over Marvel and I intend to assert every last bit of that power to have Mike Carey writing Psylocke very soon. I refuse to allow betsy to stay in the trash that is Uncanny. Although when Land leaves it will become slightly more tolerable but still not enough.

[CmX]

Its just BLAH!! and Uncanny could be so much better. I dont want Psylocke in a book thats so lame right now. And I hope your wrong CMX about Pixie saving the day yet again. But it does make sense. so DAMN

It could be worse she could still be stuck with Claremont giving Creed anal.

--also can you guys see my avatar? I always have a hard time putting one up for CBR for some reason.

[psycwave]

It could be worse she could still be stuck with Claremont giving Creed anal.

--also can you guys see my avatar? I always have a hard time putting one up for CBR for some reason.

Your avatar shines brightly CmX.

[Justin K.]

Psylocke needs to be drawn by Silvestri again

[Drey]

Wow. I didn't know that the asian tranformation was only temporary. It must have been well recieved because I've never seen Psylocke British. (I've always wondered what she was like).

My first introduction to her was during the Crimson Dawn storyline and I immediately started getting back issues to learn more about her history. I like British Betsy as much as Asian Betsy. I'd love to see elements of both once Psylocke regains her right state of mind. British Betsy was quite the little tactician and was manipulative with her powers.

Lady Mandarin is probably the best example because not only did she fight hand to hand, but also used telepathic illusions, mind control, and her psychic knife actually worked on her opponents. I would like to see her use psycho-blasts again because it was unique and the return of her precognitive abilities, albeit minor (dreams or a random vision once in a while)

I may miss the asian psylocke now because i was so used to it.

The way I look at it is that she's still part Asian, just like she was part British while in the Asian body. Spiral manipulated genetic coding between the two of them to look more like each other. They even smelled the same to Wolverine. She really won't be drawn any differently because she hardly ever looked Asian when drawn by most artists.

Yeah CC had only planed for Psy to be Asian for like an arc or two but the image design was so well recieved(wank off crew) that they decided to make it longer lasting. I believe he was gonna have her switched back when he started the X-men title but as we know he left and millions of his plots got abandoned.

He was gonna try again after he killed her off in X-treme X-men too. Salvador Larroca mentioned that CC was planning on bringing her back British but the "dead means dead" rule was put into effect right after CC killed her off.

[cgar]

its funny how people argue over asian or britishy betsy. i just look at her as half asian half british. like my bro is half italian half mexican. i works wonders for me. its like the best of both worlds. and even when she was asian she didnt look asian

[steve2275]

:tongue: I would hope Fraction would eventually turn Psylocke good and have her have the same relationship with the team that CC gave her after her last return - being snarky and funny towards Emma, being playfully sexual, close bonds and friendships with Storm, Nightcrawler, and Beast... Overall being classy without being mean so I guess a lot like Emma except with class.

being drawn nude by COLOSSUS

[infernohara]

Revanche isn't back though.

People who stay dead don't Drool. I'm still betting shes the dead X-men who returns from the grave. (Asian Psylocke is the one featured on 514 cover with Beasts team)

@Drey- I have a book called mutations (or something like that). It featured a story about Angel, Beast and Psylocke. It was some kind of origins book I guess. Psylocke was in the Mandarin outfit killing various X-men and collecting rings, but she was very cool. A very good mix of fighting and some illusion tactics (that could have been from the ring...I didn't know really). She was just awesome!!

I hope they grow her as a character and I wanna know what powerset they will give her? She has the psychic knife it seems, but it isn't clear whether she still has her mind powers or even her telekinetic ones yet.

[Drey]

@Drey- I have a book called mutations (or something like that). It featured a story about Angel, Beast and Psylocke. It was some kind of origins book I guess. Psylocke was in the Mandarin outfit killing various X-men and collecting rings, but she was very cool. A very good mix of fighting and some illusion tactics (that could have been from the ring...I didn't know really). She was just awesome!!


Sounds similar to UXM #256-258. Is the 'Mutations' book a trade paperback? But yeah Lady Mandarin was awesome.

[infernohara]

Sounds similar to UXM #256-258. Is the 'Mutations' book a trade paperback? But yeah Lady Mandarin was awesome.

Yes it is. Featuring Lady Mandarin, How Angel got his techno organic wings, and Beasts orgin up to him becoming the blue Beast. All very fun reads.

[psycwave]

He was gonna try again after he killed her off in X-treme X-men too. Salvador Larroca mentioned that CC was planning on bringing her back British but the "dead means dead" rule was put into effect right after CC killed her off.

Yeah I remember. Damn Joey Q!!

Sounds similar to UXM #256-258. Is the 'Mutations' book a trade paperback? But yeah Lady Mandarin was awesome.

Yes it is. Featuring Lady Mandarin, How Angel got his techno organic wings, and Beasts orgin up to him becoming the blue Beast. All very fun reads.

Yeah that story is UXM 256-258. It was the definite story as to why Betts went eurasian before Nicezia came in and switched it around and introduced.......Kwannon*barf*

[eurazn]

We all hope Pixie doesnt save the day. Do not worry cgar, I have some power over Marvel and I intend to assert every last bit of that power to have Mike Carey writing Psylocke very soon. I refuse to allow betsy to stay in the trash that is Uncanny. Although when Land leaves it will become slightly more tolerable but still not enough.

Please advocate for Dazzler to be brought over with Psylocke. If Psylocke, Dazzler and Rogue were all on one team again and written WELL, I'd be so very happy.

Psylocke needs to be drawn by Silvestri again

Agreed. I love Silvestri's art!

[CmX]

Agreed. I love Silvestri's art!

Well she'll be in the Utopia one-shot drawn by Silvestri! So we only have to wait till next month. Wee!

I hope if Carey ever gets to write a team again, or if he's ever moved over to Uncanny that he is allowed Betsy finally. We should keep asking him about Psylocke... ha

[psycwave]

Please advocate for Dazzler to be brought over with Psylocke. If Psylocke, Dazzler and Rogue were all on one team again and written WELL, I'd be so very happy.


OMG I was just reading the old Outback days and started thinking of those two in a book together. I can imagine it, Ali and Betsy are walking down the streets of San Fran when all of a sudden there is a flash! The another! Then another. The two ladies soon realize they're surrounded by paparazzi!! They are getting grilled by the vultures about Ali's next album, will Betsy return to the fashion industry and where has she been? To which she replies "I took a vacation in a....secluded asian backdrop. I guess you could say I WAS Asian for awhile HAHAHA".

Both of them are two mutant women with high celebrity standings. They need to be publicized MOAR. Betsy and Ali are both international superstars! One a high-end fashion model the other a world famous singer. Imagine the greatness they could achieve together.

[eurazn]

OMG I was just reading the old Outback days and started thinking of those two in a book together. I can imagine it, Ali and Betsy are walking down the streets of San Fran when all of a sudden there is a flash! The another! Then another. The two ladies soon realize they're surrounded by paparazzi!! They are getting grilled by the vultures about Ali's next album, will Betsy return to fashion and whatnot.

Both of them are two mutant women with high celebrity standings. They need to be publicized MOAR. Betsy and Ali are both international superstars! One a high-end fashion model the other a world famous singer. Imagine the greatness they could achieve together.

ZOMG, LOVES <3!!!!!!!

We could even throw in Northstar for added paparazzi value; international athlete/millionaire! This is what MARVEL DIVAS should have been :biggrin:

They could all realize together they are WAY too fabulous to be stuck playing panel dressing in the pages of UXM.

[peopleofpaper]

OMG I was just reading the old Outback days and started thinking of those two in a book together. I can imagine it, Ali and Betsy are walking down the streets of San Fran when all of a sudden there is a flash! The another! Then another. The two ladies soon realize they're surrounded by paparazzi!! They are getting grilled by the vultures about Ali's next album, will Betsy return to the fashion industry and where has she been? To which she replies "I took a vacation in a....secluded asian backdrop. I guess you could say I WAS Asian for awhile HAHAHA".

Both of them are two mutant women with high celebrity standings. They need to be publicized MOAR. Betsy and Ali are both international superstars! One a high-end fashion model the other a world famous singer. Imagine the greatness they could achieve together.


omg i love that idea. i seriously wish if they brought british betsy back they would mention being a model.

[Dagger]

I wonder if she comes back and stays British, what her costume is going to look like. GET BIANCHI ON THE PHONE TO DRAW HER UP A TRAINWRECK OF A COSTUME!!!

[lockerogue]

I wonder if she comes back and stays British, what her costume is going to look like. GET BIANCHI ON THE PHONE TO DRAW HER UP A TRAINWRECK OF A COSTUME!!!

I bet it will. I could see it as being a revamp of her first costume. Except with the sleeves down the floor and ugly boots.

[peopleofpaper]

I wonder if she comes back and stays British, what her costume is going to look like. GET BIANCHI ON THE PHONE TO DRAW HER UP A TRAINWRECK OF A COSTUME!!!

oh i can only imagine. it'd be decked out with some gaudy gold chains and a clashing x symbol. i wish they'd come up with a new outfit for whichever Psylocke ends up sticking around, but we'll probably have to wait a very long time. at least until the dark x-men story is over.

http://i42.tinypic.com/1ze9jjn.png

at least it seems to be black which is pretty.

[Drey]

I bet it will. I could see it as being a revamp of her first costume. Except with the sleeves down the floor and ugly boots.

And a shower curtain for a cape to make it more of a mess.

[Selene]

the thing is, that brit betsy really wasn't a bad ass chick underneath her frilly outfits and awful hair. yes she had her telepathic powers but they didn't really scream bad ass. she was boring and the attempts at making her mysterious were rather pathetic especially to anyone who read her in that captain birtian series.
I know you dislike Betsy during her days as a British lass,but is there any point in criticizing her so harshly?This is her appreciation thread,after all.
Well she'll be in the Utopia one-shot drawn by Silvestri! So we only have to wait till next month. Wee!

I hope if Carey ever gets to write a team again, or if he's ever moved over to Uncanny that he is allowed Betsy finally. We should keep asking him about Psylocke... ha
I partly disagree with you here.I would prefer it if Carey developped Psylocke individually and not on a team(much like Rogue).I happen to be a fan of ninja Betsy,but I recognize that what she needs the most these days is characterization,not great fight scenes. :smile:

[Darkchylde]

what cover is that from?

It's from the Uncanny X-Men/Dark Avengers one-shot that's set for release next month.

[psycwave]

ZOMG, LOVES <3!!!!!!!

We could even throw in Northstar for added paparazzi value; international athlete/millionaire! This is what MARVEL DIVAS should have been :biggrin:

They could all realize together they are WAY too fabulous to be stuck playing panel dressing in the pages of UXM.

ZOMG YES!!! HEAR THAT MARVEL WE HAVE THE REAL DIVAS!! Psylocke, Dazzler, and Northstar must go shopping IMMEDIATELY!!

omg i love that idea. i seriously wish if they brought british betsy back they would mention being a model.

Its one of my dreams along with good characterization.

I wonder if she comes back and stays British, what her costume is going to look like. GET BIANCHI ON THE PHONE TO DRAW HER UP A TRAINWRECK OF A COSTUME!!!

LOLOL I pray not. I hear she will still be wearing the Hand ninja outfit.

[Dagger]

LOLOL I pray not. I hear she will still be wearing the Hand ninja outfit.
Eww. WTF, Marvel. GET RID OF THAT TRAVESTY!

[Aguja]

psylocke only looked like a top model when she was asian. shame she never pursued the fashion world as a japanese woman.

Fashion is extremely RACIST, she would have never found work :frown:

Still her past as a model is something I would love to read. I demand a Psylocke origins once she is liberated from Uncanny.

[psycwave]

Fashion is extremely RACIST, she would have never found work :frown:

Still her past as a model is something I would love to read. I demand a Psylocke origins once she is liberated from Uncanny.

Mike Carey has admitted to already having one planned out or at least having some ideas for one. We just need to get Marvel to publish it.

[psycwave]

I always did like Stryfe's Strike File on Betsy.


http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/poster12.jpg

[Aguja]

That is a nice write up, albeit some parts are a little stereotypical in their wording. It's sadly very true. After the swap a ton of story potential was not explored enough. And from there Betsy's characterization just spiraled into nothingness. I really do think Carey is the only writer currently who could breath life back into her.

I had also never noticed before but have seen people mention that Emma now occupies the niche Betsy probably would & should have. And after reading this, especially the first paragraph I have to agree. Not that I would want Psylocke overexposed currently. But she played the role of the 'other' mysterious telepath well.

[lockerogue]

Those Stryfe Files are so messed up. Who wrote those?

[kk1]

"uptight", "walls of reserve and superiority"? That wasn't Betsy at all.

[Askanipsion]

"uptight", "walls of reserve and superiority"? That wasn't Betsy at all.

Aye - not Betsy at all :confused:

[Leogam]

oh i can only imagine. it'd be decked out with some gaudy gold chains and a clashing x symbol. i wish they'd come up with a new outfit for whichever Psylocke ends up sticking around, but we'll probably have to wait a very long time. at least until the dark x-men story is over.

http://i42.tinypic.com/1ze9jjn.png

at least it seems to be black which is pretty.

notice how in the picture she has black hair, i think thats Kwannon, & Psylocke is somewhere else

[psycwave]

That is a nice write up, albeit some parts are a little stereotypical in their wording. It's sadly very true. After the swap a ton of story potential was not explored enough. And from there Betsy's characterization just spiraled into nothingness. I really do think Carey is the only writer currently who could breath life back into her.

I had also never noticed before but have seen people mention that Emma now occupies the niche Betsy probably would & should have. And after reading this, especially the first paragraph I have to agree. Not that I would want Psylocke overexposed currently. But she played the role of the 'other' mysterious telepath well.

Yeah I kinda always felt that the role Emma plays is where Betsy would have been had she stayed original body, tp, etc. There would have been some noticable differences of course but the premise would have still been the same.

Those Stryfe Files are so messed up. Who wrote those?

Scott Lobdell and Fabian Nicieza wrote them I believe.

"uptight", "walls of reserve and superiority"? That wasn't Betsy at all.

Aye - not Betsy at all :confused:

That was not her of course, but that is kinda how she was seen when she first appeared. the X-men didnt see who she was, they just saw this proper and fair maiden from England who was refined and somewhat cold. Stryfe probably only knew of what he saw on the surface and didnt care to update his files. And then really he was kinda playing her as a stereotype, like Aguja said.

[Aguja]

That was not her of course, but that is kinda how she was seen when she first appeared. the X-men didnt see who she was, they just saw this proper and fair maiden from England who was refined and somewhat cold. Stryfe probably only knew of what he saw on the surface and didnt care to update his files. And then really he was kinda playing her as a stereotype, like Aguja said.

Right the X-Men really did see her in that way at first. And that was one of original Betsy's struggles, balancing being a prim and proper lady with her inner action junkie. I don't know if I would have called her uptight, but originally she was much more hardcore. Wanting to kill Havok, having no problems entering peoples minds and making them do what she wanted. It was all very different than Xavier and Jean.

[psycwave]

Right the X-Men really did see her in that way at first. And that was one of original Betsy's struggles, balancing being a prim and proper lady with her inner action junkie. I don't know if I would have called her uptight, but originally she was much more hardcore. Wanting to kill Havok, having no problems entering peoples minds and making them do what she wanted. It was all very different than Xavier and Jean.

Yes and thats why I say Emma is what Betsy should have been right now. The attributes she portrays and the ice telepath are all original Betsy. Emma was just pure evil, while Betsy was morally gray.

[Dagger]

"uptight", "walls of reserve and superiority"? That wasn't Betsy at all.
She was uptight when she first joined. Sage aped her personality. Sure, she wanted to be ferocious, but she never really was.

[psycwave]

notice how in the picture she has black hair, i think thats Kwannon, & Psylocke is somewhere else

Eh I think its just how they colored her. Hopefully Kwannon stays dead forever.

[Selene]

Eh I think its just how they colored her. Hopefully Kwannon stays dead forever.
As much as I enjoyed the story between the two bodies,I am inclined to agree with you here,psycwave.Even the likes of Matt Fraction are smart enough to realize that,by resurrecting Kwannon,they would sooner complicate Psylocke's history than simplify it.

*fingers crossed for Asian Betsy*

[peopleofpaper]

notice how in the picture she has black hair, i think thats Kwannon, & Psylocke is somewhere else

I have been hoping that same thing for months. Kwannon in her own goddamn body is really the best way out of this mess.

As much as I enjoyed the story between the two bodies,I am inclined to agree with you here,psycwave.Even the likes of Matt Fraction are smart enough to realize that,by resurrecting Kwannon,they would sooner complicate Psylocke's history than simplify it.

*fingers crossed for Asian Betsy*

How would it complicate things further to keep her in her original body? The damage has already been done, he resurrected the British body. I could see if Fraction never did this it could be less complicated for casual readers but he did it so he should leave it alone already. Resurrecting her, body swapping, and then re-body swapping would be retarded. Of course I still believe the British body isn't Betsy and she'll return next issue in the Asian one, but I think it'd be really dumb. I like Asian Betsy but this story needs to die.

[Selene]

How would it complicate things further to keep her in her original body? The damage has already been done, he resurrected the British body. I could see if Fraction never did this it could be less complicated for casual readers but he did it so he should leave it alone already. Resurrecting her, body swapping, and then re-body swapping would be retarded. Of course I still believe the British body isn't Betsy and she'll return next issue in the Asian one, but I think it'd be really dumb. I like Asian Betsy but this story needs to die.
Um,you totally misunderstood me,I meant that he would complicate Psylocke if he resurrected Kwannon's spirit(this has nothing to do with the bodies).Yes,he complicated Psylocke again by transfering her psyche to her old body,but he obviously did that in order to re-activate her telepathy.To me,it would be preposterous if we had both Kwannon and Betsy.The Revanche retcon made a mess of things enough already,let's not keep focusing on it. :smile: By the next issue,I believe that Betsy will probably die in her original body and right before she passes away,she will telepathically transfer her consciousness to her Asian body or,alternatively,Betsy comes to her senses and re-iterates that her soul belongs to the Asian body.Again,on one hand,two body-swaps in the same story-arc would not make any sense,but,on the other,trashing Betsy's most recognizable body would also be ridiculous.Let's just wait and see...

[Drey]

I just hope Psylocke at least keeps her telepathy when the arc ends. One day someone will decide to use that ability in creative ways like she used to during CC's first run.

[psycwave]

You know what if the entire time Fraction makes it so that Wolvie expected Psylocke to be Kwannon. I mean he even said " Dont think that because you body-snatched my dead friend that I'm above cutting your damn head off." What if Fraction once again characterized Wolvie and his senses so wrong that this entire time he thinks oh no, Kwannon is back. It was actually make sense with the whole "whatever parts you got in here this aint her" line. He could be trying to sense Kwannon when in reality it should be Betsy. I mean as far as he knows Betts is still in the asian body. I know im nitpicking im really just trying to make bad excuses for this poor storyline.

[Askanipsion]

I really don't see Wolvie calling Kwannon a "friend" - sure they were briefly on same team but there was never any "friend" feelings between them that I saw.

Well Fraction did say to wait till the story ends so who knows....

[.LuckyStar.]

I really don't see Wolvie calling Kwannon a "friend" - sure they were briefly on same team but there was never any "friend" feelings between them that I saw.
Me neither. But I guess Fraction retconned them to be BFFs. Wolverine even moved her corpse to his own cemetery for friends and loved ones. He's creepy.

[psycwave]

I really don't see Wolvie calling Kwannon a "friend" - sure they were briefly on same team but there was never any "friend" feelings between them that I saw.

Well Fraction did say to wait till the story ends so who knows....

Yeah we never saw any friend tendacies but Wolvie did send Domino to Japan with flowers to put on her grave which is in that special graveyard he had for friends in 507. Fraction has retconned them into being friends.

EDIT: .LuckStar. already answered.

[psycwave]

As much as I respect Alan Davis,I must say that by calling Asian Psylocke an "oriental Elektra clone" implies that he is clueless as far as Asian Psylocke is concerned.I fail to understand how on Earth a female ninja trained by the Hand should be automatically regard as an Elektra rip-off.

Okay I just saw this. I feel he basically called her a clone because of the ninja skills, deceptive personalities(or at least Betts could be in a fight), and the Hand outfit which were exactly the same just different colors.
EDIT: Here we are.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/014.jpg


And for added fun:
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/021-1.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/022.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/023.jpg

[psycwave]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/024.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/054.jpg

[Drey]

Oh the memories, that is my favorite Psylocke story.

[Selene]

Well,yes,I,too,remember that Mandarin himself claimed that Psylocke would become what they failed to do with Elektra,but,from his tone,Davis' statement sounded like a metaphor(e.g.,that after Betsy became what she had always craved to become,she started behaving like Elektra).Calling Psylocke an "Elektra rip-off" because she happens to have the same outfit and abilities as Elektra is like calling Rogue a "Ms.Marvel rip-off"(because she had permanently absorbed her powers)or Rachel Summers-Grey a "Jean Grey rip-off"(because she was a descendant of hers).What makes the true difference is how the writer chooses to present and handle those new skills,and,as far as Betsy is concerned,they made her a mutant who compensated for the lack of physical prowess of her psychic abilities with her martial arts;and that is what makes Asian Psylocke one of the most unique martial arts fighters of the Marvel Universe.

[Selene]

Oh the memories, that is my favorite Psylocke story.
Second favourite.My favourite one is the Crimson Dawn. :smile:

[Drey]

Second favourite.My favourite one is the Crimson Dawn. :smile:

Hehe, the Crimson Dawn story (and OZT) is when I first got introduced to comics and Psylocke instantly became my favorite. So it holds a special place in my heart as well. It could be tied with Acts of Vengeance or a close second. Not really sure. :smile:

[psycwave]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/10.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/001.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/000.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/100.jpg

[psycwave]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/byron13.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/byron14.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/byron16.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/111.jpg

[Drey]

Oh the Kaptain Briton incident! I don't know what the hell she did then. It was like she used a combination of telepathy, telekinesis, and pryokinesis all at once. His body was left a boiled, smoldering, husk. That was pretty scary.

[Aguja]

OMG all these scans keep reminding me that Psylocke used to do so much more than prop the background up. They need to give her to Carey.

[eurazn]

You know what if the entire time Fraction makes it so that Wolvie expected Psylocke to be Kwannon. I mean he even said " Dont think that because you body-snatched my dead friend that I'm above cutting your damn head off." What if Fraction once again characterized Wolvie and his senses so wrong that this entire time he thinks oh no, Kwannon is back. It was actually make sense with the whole "whatever parts you got in here this aint her" line. He could be trying to sense Kwannon when in reality it should be Betsy. I mean as far as he knows Betts is still in the asian body. I know im nitpicking im really just trying to make bad excuses for this poor storyline.

What I don't understand is that Kwannon/Revanche was a GOOD GUY (formerly an X-Man, even) when she died. It shouldn't actually matter WHO is in that body. Considering how many (MANY) times X-Men have been mind-controlled over the years, Wolverine's unabashed hostility is illogical.

[Hi-Fi]

Me neither. But I guess Fraction retconned them to be BFFs. Wolverine even moved her corpse to his own cemetery for friends and loved ones. He's creepy.

Yeah we never saw any friend tendacies but Wolvie did send Domino to Japan with flowers to put on her grave which is in that special graveyard he had for friends in 507. Fraction has retconned them into being friends.

EDIT: .LuckStar. already answered.
Actually, I thought the flowers were supposed to be for Mariko. Kwannon just happens to be buried in the same cemetery, maybe by Matsuo?

OMG all these scans keep reminding me that Psylocke used to do so much more than prop the background up. They need to give her to Carey.
He said on his facebook he has designs for Psylocke, but it should be a while before he can work her into a story.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Anyone be able to point me in the direction of any scans of people being astonished that Psylocke is asian in appearance but speaking with a British accent?

[Askanipsion]

Anyone be able to point me in the direction of any scans of people being astonished that Psylocke is asian in appearance but speaking with a British accent?

LOL I don't think there was that many - most people were like "oh Betsy is asian now, oh okay?" - the only one I can remember off the top of my head was one of the rare appearances of Betsy in Excalibur when she is sparring with her brother and he mentions about her being different now.

[psycwave]

Havok totally wanted Psylocke. This is my dream pairing after Burtsy.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/112.jpg

[Home made ectoplasm]

LOL I don't think there was that many - most people were like "oh Betsy is asian now, oh okay?" - the only one I can remember off the top of my head was one of the rare appearances of Betsy in Excalibur when she is sparring with her brother and he mentions about her being different now.

I know Claremont had this happen at least once.

[.LuckyStar.]

Actually, I thought the flowers were supposed to be for Mariko. Kwannon just happens to be buried in the same cemetery, maybe by Matsuo?

I thought Domino said that was Logan's own cemetery. I blame Fraction's writing. lol

Anyone be able to point me in the direction of any scans of people being astonished that Psylocke is asian in appearance but speaking with a British accent?

There isn't anyone astonished, but Bobby thinks a British accent in a Asian body IS. NOT. NORMAL. !!!
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/397/thatsnotnormal.png

[psycwave]

I probably have posted this image a million times in this thread but I love it. I especially love Betsy's hair with the red outfit. UGH we need a Psylocke: Model Origins ASAP!

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/flashback.jpg

[Home made ectoplasm]

There isn't anyone astonished, but Bobby thinks a British accent in a Asian body IS. NOT. NORMAL. !!!
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/397/thatsnotnormal.png

Thank you LuckyStar! I remember Iceman being racist against Native Americans too, what a bigot.

[Askanipsion]

I thought Domino said that was Logan's own cemetery. I blame Fraction's writing. lol



There isn't anyone astonished, but Bobby thinks a British accent in a Asian body IS. NOT. NORMAL. !!!
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/397/thatsnotnormal.png

<shudder> Betsy had such AWFUL short hair in that arc.....I just don't like when Kubert draws her.

[Aguja]

I probably have posted this image a million times in this thread but I love it. I especially love Betsy's hair with the red outfit. UGH we need a Psylocke: Model Origins ASAP!

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/flashback.jpg

The middle Betsy is fierce! I like Larocca's take on her but sometimes he made her hair look weird, especially when she was in costume.

[Askanipsion]

The middle Betsy is fierce! I like Larocca's take on her but sometimes he made her hair look weird, especially when she was in costume.

Yeah LOVE the Betsy in the middle

all this British Betsy talk encouraged me to pull out the X-Men fighting game that has British Betsy - just did a Lady Deathstrike, Wolverine and Sabretooth rematch! Too bad no Spiral in the game.

[Drey]

I probably have posted this image a million times in this thread but I love it. I especially love Betsy's hair with the red outfit. UGH we need a Psylocke: Model Origins ASAP!

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/flashback.jpg

Salva certainly drew a beautiful Betsy. We should be able to get something of an origin story for her in X-men: Origins if we scream loud enough.

[Aguja]

Yeah LOVE the Betsy in the middle

all this British Betsy talk encouraged me to pull out the X-Men fighting game that has British Betsy - just did a Lady Deathstrike, Wolverine and Sabretooth rematch! Too bad no Spiral in the game.

OMG what fighting game was this?

[Askanipsion]

OMG what fighting game was this?

X-Men Next Dimension - both British and Asian Betsy are in it - you also have about 8 different costumes for each one :)

British Betsy (with lavender hair) has a psi-katana while Asian Betts has psi-knife and Crimson Dawn Tatt

[Mr_Hellfire]

X-Men Next Dimension - both British and Asian Betsy are in it - you also have about 8 different costumes for each one :)

British Betsy (with lavender hair) has a psi-katana while Asian Betts has psi-knife and Crimson Dawn Tatt
*Gaygasp*
8 DIFFERENT COSTUMES?!
Is there anywhere that you know of that has pics of all of them?
Or like even just post what they are?

[Aguja]

X-Men Next Dimension - both British and Asian Betsy are in it - you also have about 8 different costumes for each one :)

British Betsy (with lavender hair) has a psi-katana while Asian Betts has psi-knife and Crimson Dawn Tatt

Wow I've never heard of this. I always thought I had played ever X-Men video game out there. But this sounds epic.

[Askanipsion]

*Gaygasp*
8 DIFFERENT COSTUMES?!
Is there anywhere that you know of that has pics of all of them?
Or like even just post what they are?


LOL love your *Gay Gasp* - made my day!! :biggrin:

British Betsy she has:

1) Revanche costume
2) Blue costume with red banana (the Claremont returns costume)
3) OUTBACK ARMOR - no hood
4) Black Revanche costume

then there are 4 more

Asian Betts has:

1) X-Treme costume
2) Green Wolverine costume (she wore this is in Wolverine)
3) LADY MANDARIN!! - no helm though
4) 90's awful blue with red sash

then there are 4 more

everyone in the game has 8 costumes

[Mr_Hellfire]

LOL love your *Gay Gasp* - made my day!! :biggrin:

British Betsy she has:

1) Revanche costume
2) Blue costume with red banana (the Claremont returns costume)
3) OUTBACK ARMOR - no hood
4) Black Revanche costume

then there are 4 more

Asian Betts has:

1) X-Treme costume
2) Green Wolverine costume (she wore this is in Wolverine)
3) LADY MANDARIN!! - no helm though
4) 90's awful blue with red sash

then there are 4 more

everyone in the game has 8 costumes
I couldn't help it, haha, I just LOVE the different costumes of the X-Men and I seriously would consider buying that game for all those options.

I especially can't believe they put in the Outback costume:D:D

[Askanipsion]

I couldn't help it, haha, I just LOVE the different costumes of the X-Men and I seriously would consider buying that game for all those options.

I especially can't believe they put in the Outback costume:D:D

Yeah Betsy kicks ass in it too

I also use Jean alot - I love her in the Morrison black outfit but you can also put her in her Phoenixes costumes too

Everytime I play i change their outfits too!!

[Mr_Hellfire]

Yeah Betsy kicks ass in it too

I also use Jean alot - I love her in the Morrison black outfit but you can also put her in her Phoenixes costumes too

Everytime I play i change their outfits too!!
It's too bad they didn't have Emma in there, but blah, at the time she was too new.
But I'd love to play with all her costumes, for real, if she's in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 they'd better the first Gen. X costume.

I know this is such a nitpick, but I wish the character could have their capes in the games, like Emma with her costume and Psylocke with her old ones.

[Askanipsion]

It's too bad they didn't have Emma in there, but blah, at the time she was too new.
But I'd love to play with all her costumes, for real, if she's in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 they'd better the first Gen. X costume.

I know this is such a nitpick, but I wish the character could have their capes in the games, like Emma with her costume and Psylocke with her old ones.

Yeah only time Emma was playable was in X-Men Legends 1 RPG and you don't get her until later in the game - I am hoping they make a new fighting game with her as I LOVE EMMA!

I know alot of current readers are hating on her cause she gets lots of exposure. I for one am glad another female X-character is getting so much exposure in the Marvel Universe. For the longest time only Ororo did. I can't get enough of Emma.

I also think it is hot seeing Scott shirtless all the time! :biggrin:

[Mr_Hellfire]

Yeah only time Emma was playable was in X-Men Legends 1 RPG and you don't get her until later in the game - I am hoping they make a new fighting game with her as I LOVE EMMA!

I know alot of current readers are hating on her cause she gets lots of exposure. I for one am glad another female X-character is getting so much exposure in the Marvel Universe. For the longest time only Ororo did. I can't get enough of Emma.

I also think it is hot seeing Scott shirtless all the time! :biggrin:
I love the first one, I've played and replayed that game countless times because of the fact that they included Psylocke, Emma, Jubilee, and just a real selection of characters.

And meh, if I felt she was written right I'd be more than thrilled. But right now it's really falling short for me.

Hahah, Scott shirtless? Meh, he's too plain for me, there needs to be more Gambit skin in my opinion.

[Askanipsion]

I love the first one, I've played and replayed that game countless times because of the fact that they included Psylocke, Emma, Jubilee, and just a real selection of characters.

And meh, if I felt she was written right I'd be more than thrilled. But right now it's really falling short for me.

Hahah, Scott shirtless? Meh, he's too plain for me, there needs to be more Gambit skin in my opinion.

Well I think Scott is a total @$$ but he looks hot now but if I had to pick an X-boy to be shirtless all the time it would be either Northstar or Hellion.

I am hoping Astonishing run will be over soon....it has been very lacking for me....the story just isn't that interesting and everyone's costumes are HIDEOUS!!

Did you catch Emma and the Hellfire in the new "Wolverine & the X-Men" cartoon?

[Mr_Hellfire]

Well I think Scott is a total @$$ but he looks hot now but if I had to pick an X-boy to be shirtless all the time it would be either Northstar or Hellion.

I am hoping Astonishing run will be over soon....it has been very lacking for me....the story just isn't that interesting and everyone's costumes are HIDEOUS!!

Did you catch Emma and the Hellfire in the new "Wolverine & the X-Men" cartoon?
Agreed, but Gambit still has to be in that mix for me to be content, haha.

And I like it, but it was a story meant to be told quicker than it is now. Plus, Ellis, though he wrote gold in Nextwave and other projects, is sort of ok right now.

And oh yes, I watched every episode as soon as they were available online.

[Askanipsion]

Agreed, but Gambit still has to be in that mix for me to be content, haha.

And I like it, but it was a story meant to be told quicker than it is now. Plus, Ellis, though he wrote gold in Nextwave and other projects, is sort of ok right now.

And oh yes, I watched every episode as soon as they were available online.

Well it looks like Remy will be getting alot of exposure over in "Legacy", no mon ami?

I would rather Astonishing be monthly and get a different artist - takes too long between each issue and I forget every time what is going on.

I would like to see Salvador on Astonishing with another good rotating artist like Uncanny is doing.

I really hope we get to see British Betsy without the hood/mask next issue in Uncanny.

[Mr_Hellfire]

Well it looks like Remy will be getting alot of exposure over in "Legacy", no mon ami?

I would rather Astonishing be monthly and get a different artist - takes too long between each issue and I forget every time what is going on.

I would like to see Salvador on Astonishing with another good rotating artist like Uncanny is doing.

I really hope we get to see British Betsy without the hood/mask next issue in Uncanny.
Mmm, yeah, I haven't seen yet since I've only read three issues of Legacy which were 208, and the two with Emma and Scott.

And I'm not a Salvador fan, but a strong artist who could do monthly would be amazing. I'd hope for Adi Granov since I loved the way he portrayed the team in Ghost Box limited series. But seriously, the delays are annoying and it's sad because when basing things on how good the arc was in itself, then I have to say Astonishing still is my favorite book, it's just the time in between an issue is absurd.

And I wish they'd give us Betsy in her first costume:).

[Askanipsion]

.

And I wish they'd give us Betsy in her first costume:).

hehe I like that costume too but my favorite for her now would be the Revanche catsuit with some slight alterations....get rid of the pink and maybe do black & dark purple......

[psycwave]

I randomly clicked on page 150 of the Psylocke Thread and it was when we found out that Psylocke was going to get her own CBR Week. *tear*memories.

I also found this little diddy. I never realized how much i dont like many things related to the Hand outfit.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/NewExiles-CostumeDesigns.jpg

and http://francis001.deviantart.com/art/unused-Exiles-cover-sketch-65764942

[lockerogue]

I randomly clicked on page 150 of the Psylocke Thread and it was when we found out that Psylocke was going to get her own CBR Week. *tear*memories.

I also found this little diddy. I never realized how much i dont like many things related to the Hand outfit.

I actually don't mind that costume. I kind of like but it would have looked hotter if she wore pants.

[psycwave]

here go some pics of Psylocke(can't remember the artist though)

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/RA_WolvPsylocke.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/RA_Psylocke_Elektra.jpg

I also found these!!!!!!!!!!! Damn those are some HAWT pics!

I actually don't mind that costume. I kind of like but it would have looked hotter if she wore pants.

Yes. I think pants would have made me like that costume.

[Askanipsion]

Yes. I think pants would have made me like that costume.

Yeah me too

Betts would look good in the black costume she was wearing when they showed her with the blonde hair in the Lady Mandarin story. This one:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k103/Askanipsion/BlondeBetsy.jpg

[psycwave]

Maybe I do wanna see a Bianchi redesign of her costume......maybe I can find one somewhere on the net...

[Aguja]

He is a good artist. His backgrounds are stunning. I just don't think he's that great at drawing women.

Joe Mad drew my favorite Betsy, well he drew my favorite everyone. She was a tad too muscular but other than that I loved her. He drew the butterfly effect wonderfully as well.

[Drey]

Yeah me too

Betts would look good in the black costume she was wearing when they showed her with the blonde hair in the Lady Mandarin story. This one:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k103/Askanipsion/BlondeBetsy.jpg

Yeah, that was pretty hot. I'd cover up most of the bare area though. That's just asking for another gutting.

[eurazn]

Yeah, that was pretty hot. I'd cover up most of the bare area though. That's just asking for another gutting.

It's strategic. What better way to distract a [non-Sisterhood] foe?

[Askanipsion]

It's strategic. What better way to distract a [non-Sisterhood] foe?

Well maybe one of the Sisterhood likes girls? :biggrin: They might like the distraction too!

[Tazirai]

I have been hoping that same thing for months. Kwannon in her own goddamn body is really the best way out of this mess.



How would it complicate things further to keep her in her original body? The damage has already been done, he resurrected the British body. I could see if Fraction never did this it could be less complicated for casual readers but he did it so he should leave it alone already. Resurrecting her, body swapping, and then re-body swapping would be retarded. Of course I still believe the British body isn't Betsy and she'll return next issue in the Asian one, but I think it'd be really dumb. I like Asian Betsy but this story needs to die.

Cant lie there. She and Kwannon need their own dang blasted bodies. The swap was annoying. but to revive her and then stick her back in a foreign body would be just as stupid. That would kill alot of buyers/subscribers to this book.
It would be seen as a tease at best, and at worst a statement that her British form was somehow inferior.

[Tazirai]

Um,you totally misunderstood me,I meant that he would complicate Psylocke if he resurrected Kwannon's spirit(this has nothing to do with the bodies).Yes,he complicated Psylocke again by transfering her psyche to her old body,but he obviously did that in order to re-activate her telepathy.To me,it would be preposterous if we had both Kwannon and Betsy.The Revanche retcon made a mess of things enough already,let's not keep focusing on it. :smile: By the next issue,I believe that Betsy will probably die in her original body and right before she passes away,she will telepathically transfer her consciousness to her Asian body or,alternatively,Betsy comes to her senses and re-iterates that her soul belongs to the Asian body.Again,on one hand,two body-swaps in the same story-arc would not make any sense,but,on the other,trashing Betsy's most recognizable body would also be ridiculous.Let's just wait and see...

That would be utterly stupid. THAT would complicate her unneccessarily. It would make her Asian form fans happy. But would be the stupidest thing they could possibly do. Read post from above.

[Tazirai]

Havok totally wanted Psylocke. This is my dream pairing after Burtsy.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/112.jpg

Love that arc . Her only time leading the X-men. I miss that. She took control strictly using her willpower. Loved it.

[psycwave]

OMG Im learning how to make avatars!!!

[Tazirai]

Yeah LOVE the Betsy in the middle

all this British Betsy talk encouraged me to pull out the X-Men fighting game that has British Betsy - just did a Lady Deathstrike, Wolverine and Sabretooth rematch! Too bad no Spiral in the game.

EDIT: I thought you meant the old Fall of the Mutants Rom for the PC.

[Tazirai]

hehe I like that costume too but my favorite for her now would be the Revanche catsuit with some slight alterations....get rid of the pink and maybe do black & dark purple......

It'd be nice to have a panel of her going throough her old outfits again. Just to bring back some memories. :biggrin:

[Mr_Hellfire]

Love that arc . Her only time leading the X-men. I miss that. She took control strictly using her willpower. Loved it.
It is so sad that that only lasted a few issues.
I really wish Betsy can get to a position like that again.

[psycwave]

Love that arc . Her only time leading the X-men. I miss that. She took control strictly using her willpower. Loved it.

Those were the good ole days weren't they.

[Tazirai]

Right the X-Men really did see her in that way at first. And that was one of original Betsy's struggles, balancing being a prim and proper lady with her inner action junkie. I don't know if I would have called her uptight, but originally she was much more hardcore. Wanting to kill Havok, having no problems entering peoples minds and making them do what she wanted. It was all very different than Xavier and Jean.

Very much so. To me thats what made jer stand out all the more. She wasnt the most BUTCH heroine. But she was the most devious. I'll devious over butch anytime. Especially the way she used it.

I wonder if she comes back and stays British, what her costume is going to look like. GET BIANCHI ON THE PHONE TO DRAW HER UP A TRAINWRECK OF A COSTUME!!!

Good god no man.:frown: What he did to storm was "FOR SHAME!"

[Selene]

That would be utterly stupid. THAT would complicate her unneccessarily. It would make her Asian form fans happy. But would be the stupidest thing they could possibly do. Read post from above.
:rolleyes:

I was only making a supposition,I've no idea if and how she winds up in her Asian body by the next issue.Lord,chum,you don't have to snap at me like that. :smile:

[Tazirai]

:rolleyes:

I was only making a supposition,I've no idea if and how she winds up in her Asian body by the next issue.Lord,chum,you don't have to snap at me like that. :smile:

I wasnt snapping. Just making a counter. It would be stupid to re-complicate a complicated, complication, that was already complicated, from its first complication.

Theres no way Marvel is gonna satisfy either of her fans. But as many have stated. To revive the British form JUST to kill it in a few issues, would irresponsible. To swap the asian woman BACK into a British form, then to swap Betsy from her birth form, to an asian one to please one side... ALSO irresponsible.

I honestly would have rather her just come back asian and let it be. To bring her back as a formed favored by one side, only to KILL it.. would be stupid. Does that make sense now why I wrote that?

[Selene]

I wasnt snapping. Just making a counter. It would be stupid to re-complicate a complicated, complication, that was already complicated, from its first complication.

Theres no way Marvel is gonna satisfy either of her fans. But as many have stated. To revive the British form JUST to kill it in a few issues, would irresponsible. To swap the asian woman BACK into a British form, then to swap Betsy from her birth form, to an asian one to please one side... ALSO irresponsible.

I honestly would have rather her just come back asian and let it be. To bring her back as a formed favored by one side, only to KILL it.. would be stupid. Does that make sense now why I wrote that?
As of now,Fraction seems to be trying to find a way to re-activate her telepathy by any means possible,he hasn't expressed his desire to to put her once and for all back to her old roots.Of course,I don't mean that what you say is wrong,though.Let's be patient for 2 more weeks.

[eurazn]

As of now,Fraction seems to be trying to find a way to re-activate her telepathy by any means possible,he hasn't expressed his desire to to put her once and for all back to her old roots.I don't mean that what you say is wrong,though.

I have to politely disagree with you, Selene. Fraction has brought Psylocke back in her British body, but he has not shown her using her telepathy at all. The only instance we saw that psychic butterfly of hers was in Land's cover art.

[Tazirai]

As of now,Fraction seems to be trying to find a way to re-activate her telepathy by any means possible,he hasn't expressed his desire to to put her once and for all back to her old roots.Of course,I don't mean that what you say is wrong,though.Let's be patient for 2 more weeks.

Thats a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG two weeks.XD

[eurazn]

Thats a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG two weeks.XD

"Let's be patient for 2 more weeks" was added to the original post after I quoted it. Taz is right, though, two more weeks is a long time to wait, especially given how long we've waited already!

[Selene]

I have to politely disagree with you, Selene. Fraction has brought Psylocke back in her British body, but he has not shown her using her telepathy at all. The only instance we saw that psychic butterfly of hers was in Land's cover art.
It's okay,what I meant is that that part of Fraction's plan to "simplify" Psylocke is restoring her telepathic talents(since the writers haven't really established what she could do with her TK).From what I've seen,I'm sensing that he is a fan of ninja telepath Psylocke(whether she is Asian or not).Um,then again,considering how much respect he's paid to her so far,some would say that he doesn't like Psylocke at all...
Thats a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG two weeks.XD
C'est la vie. :wink: