Psylocke Appreciation Thread

[peopleofpaper]

To get her telepathy back since it was "shut off" in her Asian body

i think they mean what was the point at all of this plot if they are just going to switch her back in a couple months? he might as well have come up with some other way to give Betsy telepathy and always stay in her Asian body since the switch is so temporary. :mad:

[Askanipsion]

i think they mean what was the point at all of this plot if they are just going to switch her back in a couple months? he might as well have come up with some other way to give Betsy telepathy and always stay in her Asian body since the switch is so temporary. :mad:

Totally agree....I will be glad Betsy is back but will be disappointed that the British body "carrot" was dangled once again in front of us to only be taken away......:mad:


PeopleofPaper were did you find your avatar pic? I likes it. :smile:

[CmX]

Totally agree....I will be glad Betsy is back but will be disappointed that the British body "carrot" was dangled once again in front of us to only be taken away......:mad:


PeopleofPaper were did you find your avatar pic? I likes it. :smile:

It's from a collection of "Women of Marvel" vol. 2 cover.

[psycwave]

Here is an image of Aussie Psylocke and Dazzler verse Omega Red.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/190548-35358-dazzler.jpg

[peopleofpaper]

Totally agree....I will be glad Betsy is back but will be disappointed that the British body "carrot" was dangled once again in front of us to only be taken away......:mad:


PeopleofPaper were did you find your avatar pic? I likes it. :smile:


thanks i love all the british betsy icons around here too :) yeah it's the Women of Marvel 2 cover. it's on Deviant Art which i have been lurking looking for as many Psylocke pictures as possible just to see what could have been lol.

http://mikemayhew.deviantart.com/art/Women-of-Marvel-2-Cover-121096218

[psycwave]

Some classic british betsy moments...
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/048-1.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/049-1.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/050.jpg

[psycwave]

MOAR PRoOF OF BURTSY!!!
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/359.jpg

[CmX]

Who was the blond rearing in for a kiss and who was the dude with the long brown hair? They both seemed to be interested in Betsy before Kurt swooped her up lol

[alf_to_the_rescue]

ummmmmmm, apparently this is a variant cover for the dark avengers crossover and look who is on it, and guess which body she is in

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__1sIOXn8f2k/SfteQgv2-dI/AAAAAAAAABg/k2_vPkhkaMQ/s1600-h/1241197305.jpg

[psycwave]

Who was the blond rearing in for a kiss and who was the dude with the long brown hair? They both seemed to be interested in Betsy before Kurt swooped her up lol

I believe the blond was Warren. The brown haired guy....IDK

[KMar]

On the topic of her appearance on the Utopia cover, I swear I remember in one interview he said that he preferred Psylocke's Jim Lee costume, so it could be easily British Betsy in that costume, and to be perfectly honest, that is her most recognizable look. Or, it could easily just be and artistic screw-up. The important thing here is that she's on the cover, which is a surprise to me.

[x_goalkeeper]

Who was the blond rearing in for a kiss and who was the dude with the long brown hair? They both seemed to be interested in Betsy before Kurt swooped her up lol

My guess for the brown haired guy is Gambit! :biggrin:

[eggie]

My guess for the brown haired guy is Gambit! :biggrin:

Can't be because Gambit can be seen dancing with Rogue, although I always thought Remy and Betsy would make a cool couple.

[x_goalkeeper]

Can't be because Gambit can be seen dancing with Rogue, although I always thought Remy and Betsy would make a cool couple.

I missed that part, sorry! Then I do not know who that would be :confused:

[eggie]

I missed that part, sorry! Then I do not know who that would be :confused:

Yeah, I'm racking my brain and can't come up with an answer for who that guy is...hopefully someone will figure it out because it is going to drive me crazy otherwise.

[CmX]

Yeah, I'm racking my brain and can't come up with an answer for who that guy is...hopefully someone will figure it out because it is going to drive me crazy otherwise.

Well I imagine this pin-up was drawn during the early 90's maybe? I'm guessing it's either Rictor or some random extra drawn in ?

[Tazirai]

not me, after all this time i really don't see the point of returning her back to her old body. this is just going to add more confusion. first shes british then shes asian then shes british again? oh gawd. i don't know what to think. i'd much prefer to see kwannon then an asianless betsy any day.

I disagree. I dont think it adds confusion at all. ONLY to those fans who prefer she stay asian. Theres really no confusion at all if people were more interested in the character instead of how she looks really.


thanks i love all the british betsy icons around here too :) yeah it's the Women of Marvel 2 cover. it's on Deviant Art which i have been lurking looking for as many Psylocke pictures as possible just to see what could have been lol.

http://mikemayhew.deviantart.com/art/Women-of-Marvel-2-Cover-121096218

I love that they put her on that cover in her OTHER more recognizable costume.

Yep I see your avatar :smile:

Well I prefer British Betsy BUT if we get a telepathic Asian Betsy who actually does something then I will be happy with that. I am guessing the ninja diaper is not going anywhere.

It is quite possible that all the artists didn't know the outcome of the Sisterhood story so that is why she is still Asian on the cover....wouldn't be the first time that Marvel used false preview pics.

Keep the Faith!! :tongue:

I think what you said is the actually of it. since they usually do covers and such months ahead of the event. That may be what happened.


so i want to see how Fraction is going to characterize our Betsy. Hopefully he does her justice. And how she is going to interact with everyone. I hope we get some good interactions.

Characterize is the Key word. Stop with all the crotch shots and the posing and bending. just make her a fully fleshed character again.


On the topic of her appearance on the Utopia cover, I swear I remember in one interview he said that he preferred Psylocke's Jim Lee costume, so it could be easily British Betsy in that costume, and to be perfectly honest, that is her most recognizable look. Or, it could easily just be and artistic screw-up. The important thing here is that she's on the cover, which is a surprise to me.

I hate that costume with a passion so even if she did return Asian. That costume needs to be burned forever.

[Seccruz]

I hate that costume with a passion so even if she did return Asian. That costume needs to be burned forever.


Sadly it's not going to happen...:frown:
I really liked her New Exiles costume, it was actually the best thing done to Betsy in that whole series...

[psycwave]

Yeah I remember hearing somewhere that there were no plans for a costume change. So even if Betts does stay in her oiginal body*fingers crossed*then she might still be in the thongkini. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

[CmX]

I think what you guys are referring to was a question that a fan asked at a convention something along the lines of when they would return Betsy back to her old Jim Lee design, and Fraction jokingly had said "She's had other costumes?"

If they're going to return her and keep her in the hand outfit why not redesign it like Larroca did in Xtreme?

[Tazirai]

I think what you guys are referring to was a question that a fan asked at a convention something along the lines of when they would return Betsy back to her old Jim Lee design, and Fraction jokingly had said "She's had other costumes?"

If they're going to return her and keep her in the hand outfit why not redesign it like Larroca did in Xtreme?

If thats what happens a redesign is in order.. of the HIGHEST calibur....and stat with sugar on top.

[psycwave]

Nevermind.....

[eurazn]

Yeah I remember hearing somewhere that there were no plans for a costume change. So even if Betts does stay in her oiginal body*fingers crossed*then she might still be in the thongkini. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

That may just be the "consolation"; she switches permanently to the British body but keeps the thongkini to stay "recognizable" to those who don't fully follow the comics.

[Bronze Badger]

That may just be the "consolation"; she switches permanently to the British body but keeps the thongkini to stay "recognizable" to those who don't fully follow the comics.

Thongkini is my new favorite word.

[peopleofpaper]

The way people talk about Marvel it seems they must think every fan who reads about Psylocke is 10 years old and can't grasp the concept of a girl with a different look. I'm sure even a casual fan would recognize purple hair probably means it's Betsy. I'm tired of them sticking her in the same outfit, same look, not really distinctive. She isn't allowed to ever really change for very long but I don't know who they're sheltering with this. Even if she stays Asian they should think of refreshing new looks for the ninja. I don't think most of the X-men have the same costume from the 90s except for maybe Iceman and his lil' speedo.

[Bronze Badger]

The way people talk about Marvel it seems they must think every fan who reads about Psylocke is 10 years old and can't grasp the concept of a girl with a different look. I'm sure even a casual fan would recognize purple hair probably means it's Betsy. I'm tired of them sticking her in the same outfit, same look, not really distinctive. She isn't allowed to ever really change for very long but I don't know who they're sheltering with this. Even if she stays Asian they should think of refreshing new looks for the ninja. I don't think most of the X-men have the same costume from the 90s except for maybe Iceman and his lil' speedo.

Your avatar scares the sh!t out of me.

[eurazn]

The way people talk about Marvel it seems they must think every fan who reads about Psylocke is 10 years old and can't grasp the concept of a girl with a different look. I'm sure even a casual fan would recognize purple hair probably means it's Betsy. I'm tired of them sticking her in the same outfit, same look, not really distinctive. She isn't allowed to ever really change for very long but I don't know who they're sheltering with this. Even if she stays Asian they should think of refreshing new looks for the ninja. I don't think most of the X-men have the same costume from the 90s except for maybe Iceman and his lil' speedo.

These are the same people who created Polaris AND Agent Brand. They also created Kwannon AND Revanche. Hair color alone does not make an identity :tongue:

[peopleofpaper]

These are the same people who created Polaris AND Agent Brand. They also created Kwannon AND Revanche. Hair color alone does not make an identity :tongue:

yeah but i really think we're all smart enough to distinguish given we know how to read. i don't think the readers are given enough credit.

[eurazn]

yeah but i really think we're all smart enough to distinguish given we know how to read. i don't think the readers are given enough credit.

Yes, but we read consistently, others don't. You wouldn't believe how many times I've had to explain the "two purple haired girls" to people who haven't read the books regularly.

[peopleofpaper]

Your avatar scares the sh!t out of me.

did you GASP! :eek:

[Bronze Badger]

did you GASP! :eek:

No. I had shivers.

[eurazn]

did you GASP! :eek:

It's rather maniacal. Therefore, I love it :tongue:

[.LuckyStar.]

Oh man! A little late here, but I just saw the Marc Silvestri cover now. The thong? Really? They should at least use the Larroca version, it's more modern and it fits with all the Bianchi costumes.
Oh well, I'm delusional, so I'm willing to believe this is another case of artists unaware of British Betsy's return. lol

[peopleofpaper]

It's rather maniacal. Therefore, I love it :tongue:

I love yours too, in the holy name of R'chel

Oh man! A little late here, but I just saw the Marc Silvestri cover now. The thong? Really? They should at least use the Larroca version, it's more modern and it fits with all the Bianchi costumes.
Oh well, I'm delusional, so I'm willing to believe this is another case of artists unaware of British Betsy's return. lol

I liked Larocca's too. I think even if they changed it to all black it wouldn't be as bad. I'm almost glad I'm finding out how she will look in advanced since I get some time to cool down and get over it before I even read it haha.

[psycwave]

I wonder if Psylocke has a twitter??

Random thought.

[Askanipsion]

Oh well, I'm delusional, so I'm willing to believe this is another case of artists unaware of British Betsy's return. lol

I am still holding out too for British Betsy until I grt official confirmation otherwise....preview art doesn't mean anything as they had Psylocke's hair colored green before in a preview to make people think it was Lorna.

[psycwave]

I am still holding out too for British Betsy until I grt official confirmation otherwise....preview art doesn't mean anything as they had Psylocke's hair colored green before in a preview to make people think it was Lorna.

This is true. I am still holding out hope as well. I guess only time will tell.

[Seccruz]

I still don't think this is Betsy in the Japanese body...

The way the Sisterhood was "gravitating" around her body...I'm still thinking this is Maddie's backup plan, in case she can't go to Jean's body. It would be a good way for her to mess with the X-Men, infiltrating their ranks, learning what makes them tick, possibly even recruting the Cuckos to the Sisterhood, who knows...The possibilities are infinite!!!

[Aguja]

I wonder if Psylocke has a twitter??

Random thought.

OMG what would it say? Currently BDSM slave?

[Tazirai]

yeah but i really think we're all smart enough to distinguish given we know how to read. i don't think the readers are given enough credit.

SOME of us yes.. The jack off crew .. not so much. They seem to want her in the Nimbokini, simply to oogle her. SADLY it's not just males in that crew. I know alot of women in my area who like to cosplay her.. and they ALL seem to want to run around half nekkid. :biggrin: ... In real life.. that can be a good thing.

[PsylockeSpears]

Hey,came across this thread and HAD to join the forum.Anywhoo,got my issue 509 today,Hmmm still a lil confused to whats goin on,but heck Brittish and Asian at the same time,Hmmm.harks back to the good aul Revanche/Betsy X-Men cover 31

[Bronze Badger]

I wonder if Psylocke has a twitter??

Random thought.

I'm assuming she does as she is female. :biggrin:

[CmX]

I'm assuming she does as she is female. :biggrin:

Oh Bronzies! :wink:

[Bronze Badger]

Oh Bronzies! :wink:

You can almost see it in this:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg77/luminousphenomenon/psylocke2.jpg

[Bronze Badger]

I need one of these:

http://www.custommightymuggs.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/custom-mighty-muggs-psylocke-300x225.jpg

[psycwave]

I need one of these:

http://www.custommightymuggs.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/custom-mighty-muggs-psylocke-300x225.jpg

OMG thats so cute!!! I love it. UGH I need UXM 510 NOW!

[psycwave]

Im going back through some of my old X_men comics and just reading about telepathic Betsy in her British or Asian incarantion as me all giddy inside. What are some of your favorite moments of telepathic Betsy? Fighting Sabretooth? Marauders? Omega Red? Something else? What was the definfing moment of her telepathic life that just made you go DAMN THIS BITCH IS FIERCE!

[Tazirai]

I'm assuming she does as she is female. :biggrin:

this made me laugh in hysterical ways.. so true.:biggrin:

[Tazirai]

Im going back through some of my old X_men comics and just reading about telepathic Betsy in her British or Asian incarantion as me all giddy inside. What are some of your favorite moments of telepathic Betsy? Fighting Sabretooth? Marauders? Omega Red? Something else? What was the definfing moment of her telepathic life that just made you go DAMN THIS BITCH IS FIERCE!

A couple moments.. One was the first Sabretooth fight in which admittedly, she would have got killed , if the others didnt show up. But was fun to watch a "novice" go up against someone that strong and live. It was that appearance that made me like her.

Second was when she took out several Marauders and Mystiques Freedom force with just her Mind. She was VERY good at setting up people and watching them topple.

The next was her next encounter with Sabretooth which was an OVERWHELMING beating of his a$$. All without so much as throwing a punch.. Then even telling rogue "..Hardly a ladylike reaction!"
to which Rogue says" I aint no lady."
To which Psylocke replies " Next time he's all yours then."
:biggrin:


To this day I dont get where people say she lacked confidence,, She was highly confident and forthright.

[PsylockeSpears]

I need one of these:

http://www.custommightymuggs.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/custom-mighty-muggs-psylocke-300x225.jpg

I WANT it,is that a custom tho?

[CmX]

Yeah it's a custom. It'd be sweet if they made an official one! They seem to be popular so hopefully along the line sometime they'll make a Psylocke mighty mug!!

[alf_to_the_rescue]

Im going back through some of my old X_men comics and just reading about telepathic Betsy in her British or Asian incarantion as me all giddy inside. What are some of your favorite moments of telepathic Betsy? Fighting Sabretooth? Marauders? Omega Red? Something else? What was the definfing moment of her telepathic life that just made you go DAMN THIS BITCH IS FIERCE!

When she sacrificed her telepathy to imprison the Shadow King.

[CmX]

I liked it when she ran a truck into the Juggernaut! Even though her TP wasn't invovled that's some balsy shit.

[eurazn]

I liked it when she ran a truck into the Juggernaut! Even though her TP wasn't invovled that's some balsy shit.

Dazzler ran her bike into him, too. That's two gutsy ladies need to resume their friendship!

[Dagger]

Dazzler ran her bike into him, too. That's two gutsy ladies need to resume their friendship!
Were they really friends, tho? Dazz was always on her lonesome it seems like when they were both on the team together. And Psy distanced herself from everyone but Storm and Wolvie, like she felt she had more right to be there than some of the other members.

[eurazn]

Were they really friends, tho? Dazz was always on her lonesome it seems like when they were both on the team together. And Psy distanced herself from everyone but Storm and Wolvie, like she felt she had more right to be there than some of the other members.

I don't know about that. Psylocke was a little more straight edged at times, but I think they complimented each other:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/dazz-shades.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/dazz-club.jpg

[Dagger]

I don't know about that. Psylocke was a little more straight edged at times, but I think they complimented each other:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/dazz-shades.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/dazz-club.jpg
Yeah, but how often did that happen? Once, twice maybe? They weren't bosom buddies in the least.

[eurazn]

Yeah, but how often did that happen? Once, twice maybe? They weren't bosom buddies in the least.

Nooooooo! Now you're going to force me to go through tons of issues looking for this. Granted, I'd rather post at CBR than work, but ... :tongue:

Edit: I'm going to save myself the trouble and replace "friendship" with "partnership."

[psycwave]

I'd like to think that all the Outback ladies formed a pretty strong friendship. Whenever they did show them all together they were discussing their lives, getting closer, and showed they really cared for each other. I think a defining moment in Psy and Dazz's friendship came hen after Dazz had almost killed herself going after Juggy and the team came looking for her. Dazz had let out that flare to let them know where to find her and when they did Psy gave a quick pep talk about their friendship and love for one another. Rogue was all im there in spirit if not in the physical. It was sweet.

[psycwave]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/015-1.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/019.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/020-1.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/103.jpg

I really loved the dynamic between these two girls. They both had so many reservations about themselves. Whether it was not being good enough or finding themselves. They had so much in common andI really wish it was friendship that would be brought back up. when I think about it they actually had a lot in common.

[eurazn]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/015-1.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/019.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/020-1.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/103.jpg

I really loved the dynamic between these two girls. They both had so many reservations about themselves. Whether it was not being good enough or finding themselves. They had so much in common andI really wish it was friendship that would be brought back up. when I think about it they actually had a lot in common.

Such great scans, Psycwave! This brings back a lot of memories. They really did compliment each other and this reminds me of how much I missed the old Psylocke. I'll have to go through my e-comics and find some scans of the issues when they trained together on Muir Island and when Betsy and company rescued Dazzler after the Juggernaut battle.

I'm still hoping Fraction atones for previous mistakes with X-Women and actually writes Betsy well.

[Tazirai]

Such great scans, Psycwave! This brings back a lot of memories. They really did compliment each other and this reminds me of how much I missed the old Psylocke. I'll have to go through my e-comics and find some scans of the issues when they trained together on Muir Island and when Betsy and company rescued Dazzler after the Juggernaut battle.

I'm still hoping Fraction atones for previous mistakes with X-Women and actually writes Betsy well.

Same here. I want to know how her "Asian Body" fans feel she is more developed, as the "Psychic Ninja girl". I really think ALL the X-women and men were at their best BEFORE the 90's. There was a lot of good in the 90's.. but sadly far outweighed by the bad. I think Asian form Psylocke is the last of the "Bad Girl" fad, and Im glad/hoping Fraction thought so to.

I think Marvel also wants to do something different with her, thats why the change back to basics.

[peopleofpaper]

As much as I wish characters would be well written I doubt Fraction is the man who is going to do it. Psylocke's character was better in the past but for at least a decade she hasn't been well written in my opinion, and I do feel the ninja thing was a ploy to capitalize on the 90s facination with it. If you think about it it is a funny change. I don't think he is going back to basics and making her British full time. Because of this quote I feel like maybe he just wanted to give the ninja version back her telepathy and could do so by having another body swap(?)

2) Did you like Psylocke better when she was a telepath with the cool butterfly effect?
I liked the effect okay, but i liked her more as the, uhm, psychic ninja as it gave her a different powerset than just being a telepath...
(http://www.sub-liminal.com/forum/index.php?topic=811.0)

It'd be nice if someone could at least make a book set in the past that got to show British Betsy because I really doubt she's going to ever be able to stick around in current ones.

[Darkchylde]

You know, I've gone back and read this and the Uncanny X-Men # 509 Spoilers thread, and honestly, I don't see why fans are so hell-bent on fighting about whether or not Psylocke should remain Asian. Isn't it enough that a) a writer has expressed an interest in using her, and b) seems to have long-term plans for her? At this point, casting aside the stupid British vs. Asian argument, isn't it enough that she gets written WELL?

Now, before I get criticized for my statements, let me be clear in saying that I've read both versions of Psylocke: the British, morally ambiguous Psylocke replete with butterfly effect and battle armor, and the sexually explicit, Asian Psylocke replete with psychic blade and martial arts abilities (and didn't Asian Psylocke also have the butterfyly effect when manifesting her powers? That seems to have been forgotten over the years). I'm just curious as to why fans are so ardent in their belief that a return to British form will suddenly mean a return to a better-characterized Psylocke? Honestly, Fraction can make Betsy British again, but a crappy writer is still a crappy writer no matter what. (I'm not calling Fraction crappy, by the way, but I am pointing out that a bad writer can still make poor decisions with a character. Hell, for all we know, British Psylocke could become the poor man's Emma Frost.)

Bottom line, no matter which Psylocke returns to the X-Men, we as her fans should just support the notion of a fleshed-out character with substance and dimensions that make us care about her, not argue about what body she looks better in.

[peopleofpaper]

You know, I've gone back and read this and the Uncanny X-Men # 509 Spoilers thread, and honestly, I don't see why fans are so hell-bent on fighting about whether or not Psylocke should remain Asian. Isn't it enough that a) a writer has expressed an interest in using her, and b) seems to have long-term plans for her? At this point, casting aside the stupid British vs. Asian argument, isn't it enough that she gets written WELL?

Now, before I get criticized for my statements, let me be clear in saying that I've read both versions of Psylocke: the British, morally ambiguous Psylocke replete with butterfly effect and battle armor, and the sexually explicit, Asian Psylocke replete with psychic blade and martial arts abilities (and didn't Asian Psylocke also have the butterfyly effect when manifesting her powers? That seems to have been forgotten over the years). I'm just curious as to why fans are so ardent in their belief that a return to British form will suddenly mean a return to a better-characterized Psylocke? Honestly, Fraction can make Betsy British again, but a crappy writer is still a crappy writer no matter what. (I'm not calling Fraction crappy, by the way, but I am pointing out that a bad writer can still make poor decisions with a character. Hell, for all we know, British Psylocke could become the poor man's Emma Frost.)

Bottom line, no matter which Psylocke returns to the X-Men, we as her fans should just support the notion of a fleshed-out character with substance and dimensions that make us care about her, not argue about what body she looks better in.

...because it's at the forefront of a storyline that's long overdue. It's been a really long time since her British body has been in any issue at all so of course it's going to raise curiosity. It's just like arguing over cat Beast or Angel vs Archangel. People have their own preference to how the characters are presented. I'm sure no matter how well written cat Beast is there are going to be hundreds of people who want the old one around. And finally after so many years there's an opportunity to change the character so a lot of fans don't want it to screw up either way. Believe me, I don't think Uncanny with Fraction and Land is going to mean an amazing characterization of Betsy. I am just really interested in a change and like to read everyone's theories on how may turn out. Many times the fans guesses about the stories are more interesting for me to read than the actual issues. Plus with all this discussion I get to learn about the character more than I ever knew before.

[eurazn]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/019.jpg

I forgot to mention this before, but these scans prove why a rematch with Spiral is warranted for BOTH ladies!

[psycwave]

You know, I've gone back and read this and the Uncanny X-Men # 509 Spoilers thread, and honestly, I don't see why fans are so hell-bent on fighting about whether or not Psylocke should remain Asian. Isn't it enough that a) a writer has expressed an interest in using her, and b) seems to have long-term plans for her? At this point, casting aside the stupid British vs. Asian argument, isn't it enough that she gets written WELL?

Now, before I get criticized for my statements, let me be clear in saying that I've read both versions of Psylocke: the British, morally ambiguous Psylocke replete with butterfly effect and battle armor, and the sexually explicit, Asian Psylocke replete with psychic blade and martial arts abilities (and didn't Asian Psylocke also have the butterfyly effect when manifesting her powers? That seems to have been forgotten over the years). I'm just curious as to why fans are so ardent in their belief that a return to British form will suddenly mean a return to a better-characterized Psylocke? Honestly, Fraction can make Betsy British again, but a crappy writer is still a crappy writer no matter what. (I'm not calling Fraction crappy, by the way, but I am pointing out that a bad writer can still make poor decisions with a character. Hell, for all we know, British Psylocke could become the poor man's Emma Frost.)

Bottom line, no matter which Psylocke returns to the X-Men, we as her fans should just support the notion of a fleshed-out character with substance and dimensions that make us care about her, not argue about what body she looks better in.


The wanting her to be British again has a lot to do with her being written well IMHO. Many of us have even stated we wouldn't care if she stayed asian as long as she is written well. It simply stems from the fact that when Betsy was British she had a character. She was different. She was a psycho-blasting threat. She wasn't all focused totality and giant thong vag shots. We love that a writer expressed interest in her there is no doubt about it. The return to British simply is a nostalgia for when she was better characterized as such as when she became a ninja she was just an overused sex object and plot device. There was no doubt about that. We prefer British because that is when Betsy was at her peak. She was a threat. She was written well. She was golden. She was still great in the 90's(sometimes) but mostly she was watered down and became somewhat of a joke. Its just like you said she wasnt characterized correctly. Im sure if writers had known what to do with her post Asian there wouldn't be as much anti-ninja Betsy but some. As her fans we always suppport her return and can't wait to see her characterization even if she wasnt asian. As long as it wasn't body swapped sex object man licking dragon lady.

I forgot to mention this before, but these scans prove why a rematch with Spiral is warranted for BOTH ladies!

YES AGREE FULLY

[CmX]

Psylocke has a lot of history with Spiral and deserves to whoop her ass during the Sisterhood arc.

[psycwave]

Psylocke has a lot of history with Spiral and deserves to whoop her ass during the Sisterhood arc.

This is a most def. I have always had this theory that Spiral has tried to make Betsy's life so miserable because in a way she was jealous. I mean she was the ultimate slave for Mojo and when Betsy came along he quickly made it known who his favorite was. Nonetheless the Spiral-Psylocke threematch must happen NOW. If Fraction does return Betts to her tp I wonder if he will bring the psycho blast back or the psychic knife?

[CmX]

I don't care what he brings back as long as the TK and that stupid TK/TP katana is gone.

[Darkchylde]

The wanting her to be British again has a lot to do with her being written well IMHO. Many of us have even stated we wouldn't care if she stayed asian as long as she is written well. It simply stems from the fact that when Betsy was British she had a character. She was different. She was a psycho-blasting threat. She wasn't all focused totality and giant thong vag shots. We love that a writer expressed interest in her there is no doubt about it. The return to British simply is a nostalgia for when she was better characterized as such as when she became a ninja she was just an overused sex object and plot device. There was no doubt about that. We prefer British because that is when Betsy was at her peak. She was a threat. She was written well. She was golden. She was still great in the 90's(sometimes) but mostly she was watered down and became somewhat of a joke. Its just like you said she wasnt characterized correctly. Im sure if writers had known what to do with her post Asian there wouldn't be as much anti-ninja Betsy but some. As her fans we always suppport her return and can't wait to see her characterization even if she wasnt asian. As long as it wasn't body swapped sex object man licking dragon lady.



YES AGREE FULLY


Well, I'm going on the record as saying that I have always liked the way Asian Psylocke was written by Chris Claremont (post-2000 X-Men notwithstanding). I thought it accurate when he described her in battle as the personification of grace and beauty when fighting. To me, it was an extension or continuation of her deadly skill as British Psylocke; but whereas Psylocke was more of a mental threat in her former body, she now possessed the physical means to match her psychic prowess. I'd always viewed Asian Psylocke as a tempered, outwardly physical manifestation of the internal strength she displayed during her British years.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

[psycwave]

Well, I'm going on the record as saying that I have always liked the way Asian Psylocke was written by Chris Claremont (post-2000 X-Men notwithstanding). I thought it accurate when he described her in battle as the personification of grace and beauty when fighting. To me, it was an extension or continuation of her deadly skill as British Psylocke; but whereas Psylocke was more of a mental threat in her former body, she now possessed the physical means to match her psychic prowess. I'd always viewed Asian Psylocke as a tempered, outwardly physical manifestation of the internal strength she displayed during her British years.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Well with that I can agree with you. If CC knows how to write only one character its Psylocke(Exiles will always be crap though). The characterization he gave her early 90's before he left the X-titles was spot on. He had her becoming what she always wanted---a warrior. But when he left things went a bit downhill. We got writers who didnt know what to do with her, we got body swap retcons, we got Kwannon(UGH), we got "I want to sex up Cyclops", we got Crimson Dawn, we got a lot of craziness. ANd that craziness is what is usually associated with Asian Betsy, while British has the morally ambigious sneaky telepathic british Betsy. That is why i think most people want British Betsy back.

[CmX]

I think CC tired a little too hard to flesh out Betsy when he returned and used her during Uncanny and Exiles.

I loved her during Uncanny reload, she was drawn by great artists, and she was fun again. Bonding with X-23, HoM and Grey's End all had fun Psylocke moments. But during Exiles it got really boring, and her relationship with Creed was just the worst part of it all. Not to mention the constant hinting of her TP and then bam Sage gets telepathy, wtf? Really CC?

So I have to disagree that CC writes a great Psylocke, she had her moments, but the last two or three years have actually made me almost begin to dislike her.

[psycwave]

I think CC tired a little too hard to flesh out Betsy when he returned and used her during Uncanny and Exiles.

I loved her during Uncanny reload, she was drawn by great artists, and she was fun again. Bonding with X-23, HoM and Grey's End all had fun Psylocke moments. But during Exiles it got really boring, and her relationship with Creed was just the worst part of it all. Not to mention the constant hinting of her TP and then bam Sage gets telepathy, wtf? Really CC?

So I have to disagree that CC writes a great Psylocke, she had her moments, but the last two or three years have actually made me almost begin to dislike her.

Well everything Pre-Exiles is pretty good. I think we all wish to forget Exiles.

[eurazn]

Well with that I can agree with you. If CC knows how to write only one character its Psylocke(Exiles will always be crap though). The characterization he gave her early 90's before he left the X-titles was spot on. He had her becoming what she always wanted---a warrior. But when he left things went a bit downhill. We got writers who didnt know what to do with her, we got body swap retcons, we got Kwannon(UGH), we got "I want to sex up Cyclops", we got Crimson Dawn, we got a lot of craziness. ANd that craziness is what is usually associated with Asian Betsy, while British has the morally ambigious sneaky telepathic british Betsy. That is why i think most people want British Betsy back.

I think CC tired a little too hard to flesh out Betsy when he returned and used her during Uncanny and Exiles.

I loved her during Uncanny reload, she was drawn by great artists, and she was fun again. Bonding with X-23, HoM and Grey's End all had fun Psylocke moments. But during Exiles it got really boring, and her relationship with Creed was just the worst part of it all. Not to mention the constant hinting of her TP and then bam Sage gets telepathy, wtf? Really CC?

So I have to disagree that CC writes a great Psylocke, she had her moments, but the last two or three years have actually made me almost begin to dislike her.

I think why I have such nostalgia for British Betsy is because I felt she was constantly growing as a character; she was always compelling in some way. I really do feel she was a blueprint for a lot of what Emma is now, minus the over-the-top bitchiness.

Bets and Dazzler both yearned to be something different (Psylocke wanted to be more like her brother, Ali wanted to be a singer) but both possessed an inner heroism that kept pushing them both beyond their physical limitations. They weren't typical heroes; in fact, it seems like their teammates often doubted their intentions or capabilities. I thought they were much more interesting as characters than people like Cyclops or Storm who lived nearly their whole lives as unquestioned X-Men.

I will admit I thought Asian Psylocke had potential when she was introduced, but she became cliche and convoluted very quickly. Psylocke now comes off as almost clumsy and lacking in self-awareness to me, constantly making the kinds of mistakes her former clever self would never have made.

Some more Betsy/Ali moments:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/uxm218.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/uxm218-2.jpg

[Selene]

Here's the problem with Japanese Betsy:the various power shifts have all been excuses for actual character development.Which is damn sad.Considering that the Asian body is the body she feels more comfortable with herself,Asian Betsy would become far more interesting than English Betsy,if the writers respected her,in my humble opinion.If you remember,in the beginning almost everyone seemed excited about Betsy's transformation into a ninja warrior.

And I don't get all this "cliche" nonsense everyone has been talking about,when it comes to Asian Psylocke.It's impossible that people prefer her only for her looks.

[Seccruz]

Here's the problem with Japanese Betsy:the various power shifts have all been excuses for actual character development.Which is damn sad.Considering that the Asian body is the body she feels more comfortable with herself,Asian Betsy would become far more interesting than English Betsy,if the writers respected her,in my humble opinion.If you remember,in the beginning almost everyone seemed excited about Betsy's transformation into a ninja warrior.

And I don't get all this "cliche" nonsense everyone has been talking about,when it comes to Asian Psylocke.It's impossible that people prefer her only for her looks.

Selene I could not agree more, when she was first introduced as a psychic ninja, she was interesting as hell, and then she was just a cliché, a japanese hottie that little boys mastubated while whatching her...She was poorly handled and I hope that Fraction uses her well!!!

[psycwave]

Some more Betsy/Ali moments:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/uxm218.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/uxm218-2.jpg

UGH I need these women on a team together again!!!

[eurazn]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/psy-uxm.jpg

This is the kind of strategic maneuvering Psylocke used to do. Even when she still had her telepathy as a ninja, she used it primarily to create the "focused totality of her telepathic powers." Had she combined elements of this kind of telepathy with her martial arts and psychic knife, I think she could have been fantastic.

To Selene's earlier post, yes, this potential is why I was excited at first about the Asian transformation. She wasn't living up to the potential, though, and the power swap effectively ended it. I agree with Selene on this point as well; the power shift and how she used those powers became the only development she had.

[Bronze Badger]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/psy-uxm.jpg

This is the kind of strategic maneuvering Psylocke used to do. Even when she still had her telepathy as a ninja, she used it primarily to create the "focused totality of her telepathic powers." Had she combined elements of this kind of telepathy with her martial arts and psychic knife, I think she could have been fantastic.

To Selene's earlier post, yes, this potential is why I was excited at first about the Asian transformation. She wasn't living up to the potential, though, and the power swap effectively ended it. I agree with Selene on this point as well; the power shift and how she used those powers became the only development she had.

Calf-tassles are the new black.

[Askanipsion]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/psy-uxm.jpg

This is the kind of strategic maneuvering Psylocke used to do. Even when she still had her telepathy as a ninja, she used it primarily to create the "focused totality of her telepathic powers." Had she combined elements of this kind of telepathy with her martial arts and psychic knife, I think she could have been fantastic.


Love that scene - I agree.

Once Betsy became Asian, she focused less on her powers and strategy - she focused on her martial arts instead. She resorted to bathing suit outfits and suddenly flirt with everyone. She just fell out of character.

I will be satisfied if she goes Asian again but she actually starts using her brain and powers again instead of just being the "sexy ninja" and just being eye candy.

On her brief time on X-treme, she did seem to be acting like the old Betsy...but that didn't last long thanks to her "death"

I want her to still have her martial arts but I want the cunning telepathy & strategies back.....oh and no telekinesis!

[psycwave]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/psy-uxm.jpg

This is the kind of strategic maneuvering Psylocke used to do. Even when she still had her telepathy as a ninja, she used it primarily to create the "focused totality of her telepathic powers." Had she combined elements of this kind of telepathy with her martial arts and psychic knife, I think she could have been fantastic.

To Selene's earlier post, yes, this potential is why I was excited at first about the Asian transformation. She wasn't living up to the potential, though, and the power swap effectively ended it. I agree with Selene on this point as well; the power shift and how she used those powers became the only development she had.

Greatness. Absolute greatness.

I agree with Selene and eurazn.

[Tazirai]

The wanting her to be British again has a lot to do with her being written well IMHO. Many of us have even stated we wouldn't care if she stayed asian as long as she is written well. It simply stems from the fact that when Betsy was British she had a character. She was different. She was a psycho-blasting threat. She wasn't all focused totality and giant thong vag shots. We love that a writer expressed interest in her there is no doubt about it. The return to British simply is a nostalgia for when she was better characterized as such as when she became a ninja she was just an overused sex object and plot device. There was no doubt about that. We prefer British because that is when Betsy was at her peak. She was a threat. She was written well. She was golden. She was still great in the 90's(sometimes) but mostly she was watered down and became somewhat of a joke. Its just like you said she wasnt characterized correctly. Im sure if writers had known what to do with her post Asian there wouldn't be as much anti-ninja Betsy but some. As her fans we always suppport her return and can't wait to see her characterization even if she wasnt asian. As long as it wasn't body swapped sex object man licking dragon lady.

I agree wholeheartedly with what is said here. It's not just Psylocke being British form again. It's that ALL the ladies and men Pre=90's seemed to be well written. I mean I actually LIKE Wolverine's pre-"He's EVERYWHERE" Version. To me now Wolverine is what happened to Psylocke. Except he had a full costume and no thing.. thank god.

Well, I'm going on the record as saying that I have always liked the way Asian Psylocke was written by Chris Claremont (post-2000 X-Men notwithstanding). I thought it accurate when he described her in battle as the personification of grace and beauty when fighting. To me, it was an extension or continuation of her deadly skill as British Psylocke; but whereas Psylocke was more of a mental threat in her former body, she now possessed the physical means to match her psychic prowess. I'd always viewed Asian Psylocke as a tempered, outwardly physical manifestation of the internal strength she displayed during her British years.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Excellentl put, see if more of her Asian form fans could respond with well thought responses as you just put forth. It would seem like they like her for her.. not because she's a hot asian ninja babe, they used in Marvel vs Capcom.

[Tazirai]

Here's the problem with Japanese Betsy:the various power shifts have all been excuses for actual character development.Which is damn sad.Considering that the Asian body is the body she feels more comfortable with herself,Asian Betsy would become far more interesting than English Betsy,if the writers respected her,in my humble opinion.If you remember,in the beginning almost everyone seemed excited about Betsy's transformation into a ninja warrior.

And I don't get all this "cliche" nonsense everyone has been talking about,when it comes to Asian Psylocke.It's impossible that people prefer her only for her looks.


I'd agree with you , if it werent true. MANY fans prefer her as Asian because even today Asianess is still considered Hot and Exotic. I lived in Japan 3 years, and I'll be damned if they are just like people everywhere else in the world. Same problems and all. I WAS excited when she became a hand ninja and she had great dialogue and character development during that time.

But she seriously did became a cliche. ALWAYS posing, repeating the same "attack phrase: Focused totality..blah blah.." She never DID anything spectacular during that time except become a 90's Bad girl. Before jumping through the Siege Perilous.. she was becoming a much more fleshed out character and even became X-men leader during that short time.

I'll even say her indirectness made her a more effective leader than Cyke at that time. Simply because she used her powers to ENHANCE her team. Coordinating them ala Captain America. As the ninja.. not so much. She doesnt feel more comfortable in her Asian Body as you put it. She feels she is the Warrior she wanted to be. That has nothing to do with being asian. All to do with punching people in their chops.:biggrin:

[psycwave]

UGH I need UXM 510 to come out now. I must see this "great" fight scene and what actions Psylocke takes. I hope she smacks Emma around once or twice. I also wonder if they will give a reaction when Warren see's Betsy.

[Tazirai]

British Psylocke is contagious these days..
Found this Adam Hughes piece.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/AHPsylocke.jpg

[psycwave]

British Psylocke is contagious these days..
Found this Adam Hughes piece.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/AHPsylocke.jpg

That is absolutely exquisite.

[Tazirai]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/IMG_0914-1.jpg

Here is a nice thing to see.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/1originalpsylocke-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/MacDonaldPsylocke.jpg

http://comicartfans.com/SearchResult.asp?PC=1&PF=1&PM=4&txtSearch=psylocke&TimeSpan=&Order=#Member


shows the reasons why I tend to loathe the Asian.. stick her butt out.. vs the British one. Not all the Asian form are bad.. but damn.

[Tazirai]

British form in Hand outfit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/Psylocke.jpg

Original Armor designs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/adams_psylocke.jpg

[psycwave]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/IMG_0914-1.jpg

Here is a nice thing to see.

British form in Hand outfit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/Psylocke.jpg


THESE ARE FANTASTIC!!! THE FIRST IMAGE IS ESPECIALLY GREAT!!

[psycwave]

Here are some examples of Asian Psylocke at her best\

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/034.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/043.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/121.jpg

[Askanipsion]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/IMG_0914-1.jpg

Here is a nice thing to see.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/1originalpsylocke-1.jpg



.

Love these 2!!

Ugg I will be so disappointed if Fraction did this body swap only for her to go back to Asian body.

[peopleofpaper]

All of these pictures are making me love both versions! Has Jim Lee ever spoke about the similarities of Electra and Asian Psylocke? I remember as a little kid I actually thought they might be related because they looked identical in some drawings I'd see.

[eurazn]

Here are some examples of Asian Psylocke at her best.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/034.jpg

The problem with the scene above is that this carelessness (previously unseen in our telepathic heroine) immediately followed:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/wairata/psyknife.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/121.jpg

Psylocke nailed her future characterization in the scene above when she stated she could have disabled the foe at a distance with telepathy, but instead wanted the thrill of the hunt. She herself said foes could later use that against her. At least in this scene, though, she still used her telepathy in a clever enough fashion.

[Flameworthy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/1originalpsylocke-1.jpg


This is gorgeous! Even if Revanche is not brought back (which I doubt she will be) I hope Betsy stays in the British body.

[Askanipsion]

All of these pictures are making me love both versions! Has Jim Lee ever spoke about the similarities of Electra and Asian Psylocke? I remember as a little kid I actually thought they might be related because they looked identical in some drawings I'd see.

Reason they looked similiar is because both worked for the Hand - the Hand was working for the Mandarin at the time of Psylocke's body switch. At that time Elektra was believed dead so Betsy was to take her place.

[Leogam]

The should put betsy back in her original body & if they want to keep her in the so called iconic Hand costume, marvel can just give her an updated look of that costume

[Seccruz]

The should put betsy back in her original body & if they want to keep her in the so called iconic Hand costume, marvel can just give her an updated look of that costume


Yes please, I think this would appeal to all fans...Asian Psylocke fans would have the eye candy and the British Psylocke fans would have good ol' Betts back!!!

[Tazirai]

Yes please, I think this would appeal to all fans...Asian Psylocke fans would have the eye candy and the British Psylocke fans would have good ol' Betts back!!!

Im just glad that "good ole Betts is back for the time being.:biggrin: :biggrin:
However long that lasts.

[psycwave]

Im just glad that "good ole Betts is back for the time being.:biggrin: :biggrin:
However long that lasts.

Yes most definitely.

[peopleofpaper]

Yes please, I think this would appeal to all fans...Asian Psylocke fans would have the eye candy and the British Psylocke fans would have good ol' Betts back!!!

i think people would still be pissed about the ass chafing costume though.

i wish they would put up the previews to this issue though, i'm dying! i feel like 508 & 509 were all over the internet way before they were released.

[psycwave]

i think people would still be pissed about the ass chafing costume though.

i wish they would put up the previews to this issue though, i'm dying! i feel like 508 & 509 were all over the internet way before they were released.

YES i feel the same way. Now its like im yearning to see how Psylocke is involved in this big fight. I need a teaser to tie me over. My head is going to explode just thinking about it.

[Dark Phoenix]

Psylocke is becoming the "Kenny from Southpark" of the X-Men. They keep getting rid of her and bringing her back from the Dead / Exiles / Seige Perilous etc.

"OH MY GOD...THEY KILLED BETSY"

"YOU BASTARDS"

:evilsmile:

Actually, I think I just figured out what her new costume should be. A bright orange parka with the hood closed tight around her head. It has the feeling of the cloak from the Outback Armour and yet, if she wears it without pants, it will satisfy the Ninja Floss fans as well!!

[eurazn]

Actually, I think I just figured out what her new costume should be. A bright orange parka with the hood closed tight around her head. It has the feeling of the cloak from the Outback Armour and yet, if she wears it without pants, it will satisfy the Ninja Floss fans as well!!

That sounds kind of similar to Spiral's current costume :tongue:

[DaUltimateSheild]

i want Betsy to stay asian they have so little represantion amongst hte X-men as is i like things to be as diverse as posible

[eurazn]

i want Betsy to stay asian they have so little represantion amongst hte X-men as is i like things to be as diverse as posible

No way. "Yellow face" is not adequate Asian representation, lol.

I'm fine with her staying in the body because it's supposed to be "her look," but not because it's a way of diversifying the roster.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I've never been satisified with why they changed Psylocke to "asian" except to appeal to the "ninjas are cool/hot" prepubescents.

So, in agreement with eurazn that this is, at best, a pandering ethnic profile, and at worst, an offensive racial stereotype. Get rid.

[psycwave]

I third the statements above me.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/048-1.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/049-1.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/050.jpg

[Flameworthy]

i want Betsy to stay asian they have so little represantion amongst hte X-men as is i like things to be as diverse as posible

If that's the case then they should add Sunfire to the roster because Psylocke is in no way proper asian representation.

[DaUltimateSheild]

If that's the case then they should add Sunfire to the roster because Psylocke is in no way proper asian representation.

Id love for them to Actually Do some thing with Sunfire Especially now!

but i don't see it happening:frown: [is their a Sunfire Appreciation thread cause their should be]

So Psylocke is the best alternative

[The Sword Is Drawn]

i want Betsy to stay asian they have so little represantion amongst hte X-men as is i like things to be as diverse as posible

Then writers should sell the real Asian characters. It's all very well putting Betsy in revanche's body form on a cover or in panel, but culturally there's no link to representing any area of Asia in story form. Which is a bit disrespectful.

[Vexen]

You know what, I love Betsy and whist I it was the asian-form that attracted me to her, I love her original look. I'm not bashing the Asian look, hell I do love it. But I also feel that there is always a time for change, and I think that bringing her original body back does nothing but to freshen things up, which always needs happening.

Personaly, I'm just fucking excited to see her back in the main book, and I'm really anticipating her return to the team. Betsy and Emma are really going to have some fun moments, tension galore.

[psycwave]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/029.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/012.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/004.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/051.jpg

[Tazirai]

That sounds kind of similar to Spiral's current costume :tongue:

basically:tongue:

[.LuckyStar.]

All those scans are so beautiful <3 I can't freaking wait until UXM510. I hope there's lots and lots of Betsy! And if Marvel wants an Asian X-Man, they should resurrect Sway. It doesn't matter if Betsy is in a Japanese body, she'll never be "Asian".

[Tazirai]

I've never been satisified with why they changed Psylocke to "asian" except to appeal to the "ninjas are cool/hot" prepubescents.

So, in agreement with eurazn that this is, at best, a pandering ethnic profile, and at worst, an offensive racial stereotype. Get rid.

I agree.

Id love for them to Actually Do some thing with Sunfire Especially now!

but i don't see it happening:frown: [is their a Sunfire Appreciation thread cause their should be]

So Psylocke is the best alternative

No not really. I understand Asian form fans loe her asian. But she appeal to a small crowd. Being Asian AND Ninja is highly stereotypical. They can add real asians like Jubilee back to the roster or Karma. BOTH are Chinese and Vietnamese respectively but neither culture has ninjas. So I guess in THAT one instance Psylocke would work better. But it would be best to just add a real Asian NON ninja woman.

[Flameworthy]

Id love for them to Actually Do some thing with Sunfire Especially now!

but i don't see it happening:frown: [is their a Sunfire Appreciation thread cause their should be]

So Psylocke is the best alternative

Me too! I love Sunfire. He's one of my favorite characters.

I don't think there's an Appreication thread for him. I'd probably make one but I don't post here as often as I use to.

Then writers should sell the real Asian characters. It's all very well putting Betsy in revanche's body form on a cover or in panel, but culturally there's no link to representing any area of Asia in story form. Which is a bit disrespectful.

Exactly, what I'm thinking.

They could always bring Kwannon back. Just sayin...

[CmX]

i want Betsy to stay asian they have so little represantion amongst hte X-men as is i like things to be as diverse as posible

But Psylocke isn't Asian. She's British. Yes she appears Asian, but she technically really isn't Asian. If you want representation they need to bring back Sunfire, or have Surge more involved.

[Askanipsion]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/051.jpg

ACK!! Betsy has a man-face in this picture! ICK!

[Dagger]

Or make Karma more involved...and by involved, I do not mean having sex with a Kitty look-a-like.

[DaUltimateSheild]

Then writers should sell the real Asian characters. It's all very well putting Betsy in revanche's body form on a cover or in panel, but culturally there's no link to representing any area of Asia in story form. Which is a bit disrespectful.

well u could make a case for her being Asian-English or what ever


But asian X-men are

Karma: kinda involved but her powers are a bit limited

Sunfire: They never do Anything with him so i don't see them doing anything now specially since hes on the X-men Shit list

Jubilee: Had allot of Potential but they Depowerd her, She could join as Wondra but it may be Mutants only

Surge: might...Will Probably die :frown:

So for me Psylock is "close enough"

[Dagger]

well u could make a case for her being Asian-English or what ever


But asian X-men are

Karma: kinda involved but her powers are a bit limited

Sunfire: They never do Anything with him so i don't see them doing anything now specially since hes on the X-men Shit list

Jubilee: Had allot of Potential but they Depowerd her, She could join as Wondra but it may be Mutants only

Surge: might...Will Probably die :frown:

So for me Psylock is "close enough"
But they never do anything with Psylocke to promote her being asian, just a fanboy wank symbol.

[DaUltimateSheild]

But they never do anything with Psylocke to promote her being asian, just a fanboy wank symbol.

True

But like i said "shes Close enough"

but.. how are u supposed to promote that any way...

[Dagger]

True

But like i said "shes Close enough"

but.. how are u supposed to promote that any way...
The same way Banshee and Siryn promoted they were Irish. The same way Colossus promoted he was Russian. Be racist as hell with their characterization.

[DaUltimateSheild]

The same way Banshee and Siryn promoted they were Irish. The same way Colossus promoted he was Russian. Be racist as hell with their characterization.

Lmao:biggrin:

Well then aren't they doing that with the "IMMA NINJA: thing

[jarrod]

Saw this while digging for Storm's hair images. Yu draws a mean British Betsy!

http://stormantic.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/outbackxmen.jpg

[Selene]

I'd agree with you , if it werent true. MANY fans prefer her as Asian because even today Asianess is still considered Hot and Exotic. I lived in Japan 3 years, and I'll be damned if they are just like people everywhere else in the world. Same problems and all. I WAS excited when she became a hand ninja and she had great dialogue and character development during that time.

But she seriously did became a cliche. ALWAYS posing, repeating the same "attack phrase: Focused totality..blah blah.." She never DID anything spectacular during that time except become a 90's Bad girl. Before jumping through the Siege Perilous.. she was becoming a much more fleshed out character and even became X-men leader during that short time.

I'll even say her indirectness made her a more effective leader than Cyke at that time. Simply because she used her powers to ENHANCE her team. Coordinating them ala Captain America. As the ninja.. not so much. She doesnt feel more comfortable in her Asian Body as you put it. She feels she is the Warrior she wanted to be. That has nothing to do with being asian. All to do with punching people in their chops.:biggrin:
I think you're being a little unfair here,during the 90's Psylocke had considerable spotlight as a character and she was inarguably quite respected by the writers.The Crimson Dawn story was a typical storyline that focused on evolving Betsy's powers,but it equally opened new possibilities for the character,for example,it was exciting to see how Betsy came to terms with the Crimson Dawn's side-effects,which affected her sanity(bringing forth her dark side)and it was endearing to see her lover,Warren,helping her on the way.Now that I mentioned it,I have to agree with what Mr.Claremont had once said,that the writers did not really emphasize on how the Crimson Dawn had developped Betsy,which is also sad.A darker Betsy exploring her mystical side,while maintaining her psychic ninja mutation,would have been fantastic and far better than the Elektra books of that time.Even imagine that team-up;Psylocke and Elektra(with Warren or Dare Devil,as well,to chaperone)Vs. the Hand.So much potential,yet so poorly treated...

As for me,I prefer Asian Psylocke,half because I adore ninjas and also because Japanese Betsy is the unique incarnation of a martial artist who turns ninja combat into a matter of style,grace,beauty and elegance.That's what seperates her from other popular ninjas like Elektra and Iron Fist and that's why I think it's completely silly when people call her a cheap "Elektra-rip-off".Her ninja element has played an important part in progressing her(not to mention that Betsy herself has chosen to remain a ninja and not in her original body)and it should not be ignored.That’s why I think that Betsy MUST keep her Asian body,at any rate.Sure,Betsy in her original body will have maintained all of the martial arts experience she's been gaining over the years,but if I had to choose between the two bodies,I'd pick the Japanese one,simply because it was first body that was introduced to me. :smile:

[steve2275]

im confused
what are psylocke's xact powers currently?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Exactly, what I'm thinking.

They could always bring Kwannon back. Just sayin...

Or give Surge a bigger role?

[peopleofpaper]

im confused
what are psylocke's xact powers currently?

I didn't read Exiles but from what I've gathered she still had 'mountain shattering telekinesis' that also allowed her to fly. She was immune to telepathy or alteration but I guess that doesn't count against the sisterhood.

It seems like she may get her telepathy back after this arch. So maybe the body switch is for a power switch but that's just speculation.



They could always bring Kwannon back. Just sayin...

I'm still crossing my fingers the Asian is Kwannon and British Betsy stays. I'm trying to be a hopeless optimist.

[psycwave]

I think you're being a little unfair here,during the 90's Psylocke had considerable spotlight as a character and she was inarguably quite respected by the writers.The Crimson Dawn story was a typical storyline that focused on evolving Betsy's powers,but it equally opened new possibilities for the character,for example,it was exciting to see how Betsy came to terms with the Crimson Dawn's side-effects,which affected her sanity(bringing forth her dark side)and it was endearing to see her lover,Warren,helping her on the way.Now that I mentioned it,I have to agree with what Mr.Claremont had once said,that the writers did not really emphasize on how the Crimson Dawn had developped Betsy,which is also sad.A darker Betsy exploring her mystical side,while maintaining her psychic ninja mutation,would have been fantastic and far better than the Elektra books of that time.Even imagine that team-up;Psylocke and Elektra(with Warren or Dare Devil,as well,to chaperone)Vs. the Hand.So much potential,yet so poorly treated...

As for me,I prefer Asian Psylocke,half because I adore ninjas and also because Japanese Betsy is the unique incarnation of a martial artist who turns ninja combat into a matter of style,grace,beauty and elegance.That's what seperates her from other popular ninjas like Elektra and Iron Fist and that's why I think it's completely silly when people call her a cheap "Elektra-rip-off".Her ninja element has played an important part in progressing her(not to mention that Betsy herself has chosen to remain a ninja and not in her original body)and it should not be ignored.That’s why I think that Betsy MUST keep her Asian body,at any rate.Sure,Betsy in her original body will have maintained all of the martial arts experience she's been gaining over the years,but if I had to choose between the two bodies,I'd pick the Japanese one,simply because it was first body that was introduced to me. :smile:

That was the only thing I had a problem with in your post. Betsy never "chose" to stay Asian. She was changed without her consent or nay say. While she ultimately accepted her change there was no way to reverse it. Even if she wanted to she couldn't because Kwannon(who had beeen inhibiting her original body) died. She there was never a choice in the matter. It was a accept change and move on with life. Thats all she really could do.

[jarrod]

To be fair, Betsy more than just accepted the change... she embraced it. That's why Jamie remade her that way, because it's how she had come to fundamentally see herself.


Something not brought up much is the difference in Kwannon and Betsy's likely ages. Betsy was near 30 when she joined the X-Men (making her older than the O5), and I'm guessing Kwannon may have been a good deal younger... I sort of wonder if this had any impact on Betsy or Kwannon's feelings about the swap?

[Seccruz]

I'm interested in finding out how Betsy's gonna react to the new body swap. I agree with jarrod when he says that this is how she sees herself now, as an Asian woman, so the fact she is in her original body and for how long may have consequences in her already fragile mind. I mean she is a strong woman, but all the crap she's been put through would be murder on anyone...

[psycwave]

To be fair, Betsy more than just accepted the change... she embraced it. That's why Jamie remade her that way, because it's how she had come to fundamentally see herself.


Something not brought up much is the difference in Kwannon and Betsy's likely ages. Betsy was near 30 when she joined the X-Men (making her older than the O5), and I'm guessing Kwannon may have been a good deal younger... I sort of wonder if this had any impact on Betsy or Kwannon's feelings about the swap?

Okay yeah I guess thats more accurate. She did embrace it. She still didnt have a choice though, lol.

Hmmm the age thing is something that i feel should have been explored too. But you know comic age time is so sketchy. I mean Emma is trying to make people think she is 27. They probaby tried to de-age Betsy as well.

[DaUltimateSheild]

Or give Surge a bigger role?

shes gonna DIE!:frown:

[Selene]

That was the only thing I had a problem with in your post. Betsy never "chose" to stay Asian. She was changed without her consent or nay say. While she ultimately accepted her change there was no way to reverse it. Even if she wanted to she couldn't because Kwannon(who had beeen inhibiting her original body) died. She there was never a choice in the matter. It was a accept change and move on with life. Thats all she really could do.
Yes,I suppose,I'm only saying that because I want her to retain her Japanese looks. :smile: But it's true,as jarrod noted above,it's quite possible that Betsy sees herself as who she became,rather than who she had been.

But,honestly now,regardless of her looks,Betsy will always be one of my most beloved X-chicks. :smile:

[Tazirai]

Yes,I suppose,I'm only saying that because I want her to retain her Japanese looks. :smile: But it's true,as jarrod noted above,it's quite possible that Betsy sees herself as who she became,rather than who she had been.

But,honestly now,regardless of her looks,Betsy will always be one of my most beloved X-chicks. :smile:

I agree with you there. Just less posing and ass shots, and more characterization and focus and less contradictions. Storm has kept and lost her powers in the past. BUT she remained storm. Storm didnt embrace her loss of her powers, She did accept it, and came to terms with it.

Thats how I see Asian form Psylocke. As was said she had no choice in the matter, thinking her old body gone. She accepted her fate, Like I accepted I have Diabetes. So accurately saying she came to terms with it is correct.


PS.. no butt floss please.

[psycwave]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/015.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/532428-img_0082_super.jpg

[Selene]

I agree with you there. Just less posing and ass shots, and more characterization and focus and less contradictions. Storm has kept and lost her powers in the past. BUT she remained storm. Storm didnt embrace her loss of her powers, She did accept it, and came to terms with it.

Thats how I see Asian form Psylocke. As was said she had no choice in the matter, thinking her old body gone. She accepted her fate, Like I accepted I have Diabetes. So accurately saying she came to terms with it is correct.


PS.. no butt floss please.
Er,I think you could excuse all this "posing" to an extent,because she is a martial artist and it's natural,martial artists always bounce and spin in order to perform their techniques,the problem is,as you said,the thong outfit. :rolleyes:

I do not think it's "awful" on your behalf,if you disagree with the choices your favourite character makes,besides,hello,fictional characters are purely fictional,but you have every right to feel mad at how a writer chooses to "handle" those choices and,unfortunately for Psylocke,they used her Japanese body so as to draw somebody who is hot and they used all these redundant "power shifts"(I dislike telekinetic Psylocke whether she is English or Japanese,what-so-ever)in place of actual character development,so,yes,she never really unlocked "her full potential" as a personality(since her crossing the Siege Perilous was what would grant her her long-term goal).Even if Betsy regains her original Caucasian body back forever by the end of the Sisterhood arc back,I predict that it won't really matter at all,because,no matter how she looks like,she will be the same woman who just crossed the Siege Perilous back in Uncanny X-Men,ish. #251,so the writers will continue to disrespect her and her fans uninterruptedly.It was fun to see how she progressed as a ninja even after Wolverine and Jubilee saved her from Mandarin,but,except from the moments with Warren and the Kwannon/Revanche story,Betsy was never written as a character.

But,Heavens,if I wrote Uncanny X-Men,I'd make sure to depower Psylocke and keep her depowered for about 3 or 4 years and I would have her take a break from the X-Men and start hanging out with her brother(and develop the relationship between them,not turn it into another pointless Betsy/Brian reunion)or have her hook up with Warren again(I adored their relationship). :wink:

Given the current X-staff at Marvel,I think that a good start for Betsy to regain her former glory as a character would be having her make appearances in X-Men:Legacy.Mike managed to drag Rogue out of the mire she had been wallowing during the 90's and gave her her former strangth and independence,thus it would be fantastic to see his incarnation of Psylocke. :smile:

P.S.:I am really sorry to hear that you are diabetic and I give you my best wishes for a,er,...quick recovery...

(I feel like an idiot,I am horrible at expressing myself in English on such occasions...)

[Darkchylde]

I think you're being a little unfair here,during the 90's Psylocke had considerable spotlight as a character and she was inarguably quite respected by the writers.The Crimson Dawn story was a typical storyline that focused on evolving Betsy's powers,but it equally opened new possibilities for the character,for example,it was exciting to see how Betsy came to terms with the Crimson Dawn's side-effects,which affected her sanity(bringing forth her dark side)and it was endearing to see her lover,Warren,helping her on the way.Now that I mentioned it,I have to agree with what Mr.Claremont had once said,that the writers did not really emphasize on how the Crimson Dawn had developped Betsy,which is also sad.A darker Betsy exploring her mystical side,while maintaining her psychic ninja mutation,would have been fantastic and far better than the Elektra books of that time.Even imagine that team-up;Psylocke and Elektra(with Warren or Dare Devil,as well,to chaperone)Vs. the Hand.So much potential,yet so poorly treated...

As for me,I prefer Asian Psylocke,half because I adore ninjas and also because Japanese Betsy is the unique incarnation of a martial artist who turns ninja combat into a matter of style,grace,beauty and elegance.That's what seperates her from other popular ninjas like Elektra and Iron Fist and that's why I think it's completely silly when people call her a cheap "Elektra-rip-off".Her ninja element has played an important part in progressing her(not to mention that Betsy herself has chosen to remain a ninja and not in her original body)and it should not be ignored.That’s why I think that Betsy MUST keep her Asian body,at any rate.Sure,Betsy in her original body will have maintained all of the martial arts experience she's been gaining over the years,but if I had to choose between the two bodies,I'd pick the Japanese one,simply because it was first body that was introduced to me. :smile:


I agree with your sentiments, Selene. Psylocke may not have asked to be violated by the Hand and Spiral, resulting in her Asian incarnation, but she not only accepted her new look, she embraced it. It wasn't so much about becoming Asian but the possibilities that her new life had afforded her - her martial arts training, her more focused psychic abilities (which some argue weren't as potent as her original form; but didn't Kwannon restore most of Betsy's potential before she died?) - that Betsy welcomed, though over time she came to view herself - her true self - as being "Asian Psylocke". It's why Jamie Braddock resurrected her as Asian Psylocke instead of British Betsy, because that's how she viewed herself now; it was her heart's desire.

I think restoring her to British form now, especially after having established that she truly feels comfortable and at home in her new body, is a mistake. In an attempt to deconstruct and simplify Betsy, Fraction may end up complicating her backstory even more. While I will wait to see how the current 'Susterhood' arc in Uncanny X-Men plays out before commenting further, I do want to reiterate that, regardless of the outcome, Psylocke be portrayed as the strong-willed, able-bodied and powerful woman she has typically been (and yes, there have been plenty of those moments during her Asian incarnation: the Claremont/Jim Lee era in Uncanny X-Men, before the "Muir Island Saga", and X-Men # 1-3; fighting Sabretooth to save Tabitha; besting the Shadow King on the astral plane in "Psi War"; and even Claremont's "Revolution" and "Reloaded" stints on Uncanny).

[rifleman101]

I agree with your sentiments, Selene. Psylocke may not have asked to be violated by the Hand and Spiral, resulting in her Asian incarnation, but she not only accepted her new look, she embraced it. It wasn't so much about becoming Asian but the possibilities that her new life had afforded her - her martial arts training, her more focused psychic abilities (which some argue weren't as potent as her original form; but didn't Kwannon restore most of Betsy's potential before she died?) - that Betsy welcomed, though over time she came to view herself - her true self - as being "Asian Psylocke". It's why Jamie Braddock resurrected her as Asian Psylocke instead of British Betsy, because that's how she viewed herself now; it was her heart's desire.

I think restoring her to British form now, especially after having established that she truly feels comfortable and at home in her new body, is a mistake. In an attempt to deconstruct and simplify Betsy, Fraction may end up complicating her backstory even more. While I will wait to see how the current 'Susterhood' arc in Uncanny X-Men plays out before commenting further, I do want to reiterate that, regardless of the outcome, Psylocke be portrayed as the strong-willed, able-bodied and powerful woman she has typically been (and yes, there have been plenty of those moments during her Asian incarnation: the Claremont/Jim Lee era in Uncanny X-Men, before the "Muir Island Saga", and X-Men # 1-3; fighting Sabretooth to save Tabitha; besting the Shadow King on the astral plane in "Psi War"; and even Claremont's "Revolution" and "Reloaded" stints on Uncanny).

I like both bodies, so long as the outfit changes. I liked the X-Tream X-men one... but the swimsuit has to go.

I just wanna see her as a bad-ass telipath again, kicking ass and taking names all while standing still in the middle of a war zone.

[Askanipsion]

# 510 preview is up!! ;D

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/124224662886829.htm

Now we know Betts costume!

[CmX]

It's badass seeing her back in the Aussie armor! And I'd never think I'd see British Betsy fighting with her psychic knife.

God I hope she stays British. :(

[Bronze Badger]

It's badass seeing her back in the Aussie armor! And I'd never think I'd see British Betsy fighting with her psychic knife.

God I hope she stays British. :(

Nice avatar!

[CmX]

Nice avatar!

... tee hee thanks Bronzies.. *blush* :wink:

[Askanipsion]

It's badass seeing her back in the Aussie armor! And I'd never think I'd see British Betsy fighting with her psychic knife.

God I hope she stays British. :(

Yeah!

Me too! :smile:

[Bronze Badger]

... tee hee thanks Bronzies.. *blush* :wink:

I insist you love this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp7jp5H-xWU

[peopleofpaper]

wow cool! british betsy, psychic knife... i don't like the hood though, i was hoping for her innovative ankle drapes pepto bismol costume, but i'll let it slide. "rise to your feet maggot" is much better than "kuh kuh queen" too. lol at "mistress marvelous" and some of the dialog. "really guys really" is better than "yeah, no, why would i ever be scared". sometimes i like fraction but his hip dialog would go better in audio.

don't get me wrong, x-23 looks beautiful but all the girls have the same sexy woman face. i wouldn't have known that wasn't Maddie or Emma if she didn't have black hair on the first page.

[CmX]

I have a feeling Psylocke gets killed in her British body either by Wolverine or another X-Man and her psyche just gets transferred back into Kwannon's body.

I mean, that's the only thing I can think as to why she'd revert to Kwannon's vessel.

[Askanipsion]

I have a feeling Psylocke gets killed in her British body either by Wolverine or another X-Man and her psyche just gets transferred back into Kwannon's body.

I mean, that's the only thing I can think as to why she'd revert to Kwannon's vessel.

If so, it better not be Pixie killing her or Wolverine gutting her....:evilangry:

[CmX]

Fraction said people die in this arc and leave the team and new people join the team (Betsy, Northstar), so I'm thinking one of the deaths is Betsy's original body. I hope I'm wrong!

[Askanipsion]

Fraction said people die in this arc and leave the team and new people join the team (Betsy, Northstar), so I'm thinking one of the deaths is Betsy's original body. I hope I'm wrong!

Well I hope it is Pixie who ideally dies....okay I know I won't be that lucky....but would be satisfied if she leaves.....just don't like her.....

I don't see who could possibly leave the team...

[CmX]

Yeah same here. I don't see Pixie dying since JoeQ considers her the new Kitty/Jubes, which is retarded.

[peopleofpaper]

If Pixie kills Betsy I will be LIVID! If they insist on killing British Betsy I rather her go at Wolverine's hand or someone worthy. Give me another reason to hate that idiot Pixie, like I need another one. If anything, Pixie or Armor need to be killed off. No one needs these new Jubilees or Kitty Prydes when Fraction could just get the originals.

[Askanipsion]

Yeah same here. I don't see Pixie dying since JoeQ considers her the new Kitty/Jubes, which is retarded.

Yeah well I am not a fan of JoeyQ's likes.....he hates my all time favorite character, Rachel Summers.......so figures he likes annoying Pixie :rolleyes:

I like Land's art (I know I seem to be in the minority) but I don't like his X-23. She looks too old....looks like Emma with black hair.....I really wish he would draw the younger members as.....well.... younger looking....

[DaUltimateSheild]

Yeah same here. I don't see Pixie dying since JoeQ considers her the new Kitty/Jubes, which is retarded.

Better then armor

but yeah don't have Pixie Kill betsy:frown:

[.LuckyStar.]

It's badass seeing her back in the Aussie armor! And I'd never think I'd see British Betsy fighting with her psychic knife.

God I hope she stays British. :(

Me too. :/
I want her to keep the armor even if she returns to Kwannon's body. It looks so badass!

[psycwave]

That page of Logan and Betsy was absolutely priceless. His whole "I dont believe it" comment was in my mind like "Alright Betts we get it! You like to come back!"
LOLOL

[Dagger]

Fraction said people die in this arc and leave the team and new people join the team (Betsy, Northstar), so I'm thinking one of the deaths is Betsy's original body. I hope I'm wrong!

She already died, tho. Why bring her back as Revanche/Psylocke, if you're just going to kill her original body? Weak, imo.

[.LuckyStar.]

LOL
Guys, have you seen this?
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.8009.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_70th_Anniversa ry_Frame_Covers

Betsy is featured in the frame by Jim Cheung!!! Wolverine, Emma, Cyclops, Storm, X-23, and maybe Pixie (I'm not sure) are there too!
http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/8009new_storyimage2317308_full.jpg

[Tazirai]

Er,I think you could excuse all this "posing" to an extent,because she is a martial artist and it's natural,martial artists always bounce and spin in order to perform their techniques,the problem is,as you said,the thong outfit. :rolleyes:

I do not think it's "awful" on your behalf,if you disagree with the choices your favourite character makes,besides,hello,fictional characters are purely fictional,but you have every right to feel mad at how a writer chooses to "handle" those choices and,unfortunately for Psylocke,they used her Japanese body so as to draw somebody who is hot and they used all these redundant "power shifts"(I dislike telekinetic Psylocke whether she is English or Japanese,what-so-ever)in place of actual character development,so,yes,she never really unlocked "her full potential" as a personality(since her crossing the Siege Perilous was what would grant her her long-term goal).Even if Betsy regains her original Caucasian body back forever by the end of the Sisterhood arc back,I predict that it won't really matter at all,because,no matter how she looks like,she will be the same woman who just crossed the Siege Perilous back in Uncanny X-Men,ish. #251,so the writers will continue to disrespect her and her fans uninterruptedly.It was fun to see how she progressed as a ninja even after Wolverine and Jubilee saved her from Mandarin,but,except from the moments with Warren and the Kwannon/Revanche story,Betsy was never written as a character.

But,Heavens,if I wrote Uncanny X-Men,I'd make sure to depower Psylocke and keep her depowered for about 3 or 4 years and I would have her take a break from the X-Men and start hanging out with her brother(and develop the relationship between them,not turn it into another pointless Betsy/Brian reunion)or have her hook up with Warren again(I adored their relationship). :wink:

Given the current X-staff at Marvel,I think that a good start for Betsy to regain her former glory as a character would be having her make appearances in X-Men:Legacy.Mike managed to drag Rogue out of the mire she had been wallowing during the 90's and gave her her former strangth and independence,thus it would be fantastic to see his incarnation of Psylocke. :smile:

P.S.:I am really sorry to hear that you are diabetic and I give you my best wishes for a,er,...quick recovery...

(I feel like an idiot,I am horrible at expressing myself in English on such occasions...)

It's okay man We actually agree on more than we do not. I do think after her current "condition" is determined. She should take a short break from the Teams. I'd love her in MI:13
Characterization is all we want... All her fans. It's amazing how "fictional" characters impact the real world. We do get attached to them.

As for the Diabetes, thanks for the kind words. I, like Psylocke (Asian Form), have gotten used to having it. With exercise and Diet, Im off most of my meds.
So I'll hopefully live long and remain Upset with Marvel that entire time.:tongue:

[Tazirai]

# 510 preview is up!! ;D

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/124224662886829.htm

Now we know Betts costume!

WIN WIN WIN!!!:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:


She already died, tho. Why bring her back as Revanche/Psylocke, if you're just going to kill her original body? Weak, imo.

If she "Dies" Again. Im through with her. That would mean Marvel has Absolutely no Idea what to do with her.
I'd still post here to Read and catch up with you guys, but I'd quit most X-books.. AGAIN! lol.

[Dark Phoenix]

If she "Dies" Again. Im through with her. That would mean Marvel has Absolutely no Idea what to do with her.
I'd still post here to Read and catch up with you guys, but I'd quit most X-books.. AGAIN! lol.

Unless you mean the British Body dying again, I don't think Betsy dying is going to happen. She is on too many preview covers (they wouldn't create that many fakes would they) going forward to be dead. However, I do think the British body is toast as in 510 she is wearing the kick ass outback armor and in a bunch of future covers, she is back to Ninja Floss. Somehow before this is all over, I think she will be switched back to the Asian body and the British Body will be gone forever.

Unless, somehow Kwannon is ressurected and winds up in her old body and she joins the X-men instead of Betsy (but Fraction wouldn't do that would he)?

[Tazirai]

Unless you mean the British Body dying again, I don't think Betsy dying is going to happen. She is on too many preview covers (they wouldn't create that many fakes would they) going forward to be dead. However, I do think the British body is toast as in 510 she is wearing the kick ass outback armor and in a bunch of future covers, she is back to Ninja Floss. Somehow before this is all over, I think she will be switched back to the Asian body and the British Body will be gone forever.

Unless, somehow Kwannon is ressurected and winds up in her old body and she joins the X-men instead of Betsy (but Fraction wouldn't do that would he)?

that would seriously suck on Both Fraction AND Marvels side. To bring back a loved form then destroy it. But these are the same people that said 20 years fo Spiderman didnt occur.

[Leogam]

Dont get me wrong I love Psylocke's body armor costume from the outback & it was my favorie costume of hers, but the reason she wore the costume was for protection in physical confrontations because she did not know how to fight in hand to hand combat. Now I love the fact that she's back in her "British Body" but that doesnt mean she forgot all her Hand training, so there really isn't a reason for her to now be back in the armored costume (although samurai's are in costumes). My favorite costumes were the Outback & X-treme costumes, it would be great if they created a new costume that incorporates influences of her british & asian costumes that would show class and sex appeal (but not overtly sexy)

[Darkchylde]

that would seriously suck on Both Fraction AND Marvels side. To bring back a loved form then destroy it. But these are the same people that said 20 years fo Spiderman didnt occur.


To each his own. I think there are as many Asian Psylocke fans as British Betsy ones; and no, not everyone likes Asian Psylocke for her supposed sexualization. I happen to enjoy her because, as I've stated previously, she personifies Betsy's inner strength as an outward manifestation now matched by both her psychic and physical prowess. Claremont has often described it perfectly when saying that in combat, Psylocke is the ultimate expression of beauty and grace tempered with her warrior spirit. It isn't about butt floss or thong floss or whatever the fans have dubbed it these days (and I actually like the costume, moreso when drawn by Jim Lee), but the character progression that can and should be explored in this incarnation.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Psylocke during her first tenure with the X-Men (her confrontation with Sabretooth during the Mutant Massacre remains one of my all-time favorites), but looking back, her time as British Betsy seems so long ago; almost like another lifetime. The Psylocke of today still has tons of story to play - and it doesn't have to be all about power switches and alternate realities. Matt Fraction, if he is really invested in making Psylocke a viable character and presence within the X-Men again, should remind the audience why we love Psylocke - does it really matter if she remains Asian? Really?

Personally, I'll go on the record and say that I want Psylocke to remain in her longstanding Asian form. It's the one many fans (British Betsy purists notwithstanding) and even Psylocke herself have grown accustomed to. Just give the woman some damn good characterization and story, and all will be well.

[Darkchylde]

Unless you mean the British Body dying again, I don't think Betsy dying is going to happen. She is on too many preview covers (they wouldn't create that many fakes would they) going forward to be dead. However, I do think the British body is toast as in 510 she is wearing the kick ass outback armor and in a bunch of future covers, she is back to Ninja Floss. Somehow before this is all over, I think she will be switched back to the Asian body and the British Body will be gone forever.

Unless, somehow Kwannon is ressurected and winds up in her old body and she joins the X-men instead of Betsy (but Fraction wouldn't do that would he)?


Also possible is that the variant cover with Asian Psylocke is a tribute cover, a sort of 'in memoriam' before reverting Asian Psylocke to British Betsy.

Fingers crossed Asian Psylocke is here to stay, but that's just me.

I also wondered if Fraction is somehow planning to revive both Kwannon and Psylocke following the 'Sisterhood' arc. Could the Psylocke shown in the Uncanny X-Men/Dark Avengers promo art actually be Kwannon? I hope that's not the case, but guess we'll have to see how this all plays out.

[Askanipsion]

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/8009new_storyimage2317308_full.jpg

Betsy looks really good there!! So does Storm...

Does Pixie & X-23 really deserve to be on the frame compared to other characters??

I would have thought Jean as Phoenix or Elektra would have made it on it instead of them.

I guess they wanted to put some "newer" characters on it.

....Betts looks soooooo good on it :)

[jarrod]

Betsy looks really good there!! So does Storm...

Does Pixie & X-23 really deserve to be on the frame compared to other characters??

I would have thought Jean as Phoenix or Elektra would have made it on it instead of them.

I guess they wanted to put some "newer" characters on it.

....Betts looks soooooo good on it :)
She looks... not asian? Maybe BB is sticking around and just donning the hand thongkini?

[Askanipsion]

She looks... not asian? Maybe BB is sticking around and just donning the hand thongkini?

I am thinking she is gonna stay in British body but dye her hair dark purple like she had in Asian body and use the ninja diaper costume. That would also fit with what we see in the Silvestri Dark Avengers-XMen cover.

I can deal with the awful ninja diaper if she stays in British body. I like the darker purple hair better anyway. Glad to see the psi-knife back too.

Betts has the darker purple hair under the armor costume in the preview too. Hmmmm

If she:

1) stays in British body
2) dyes her hair dark purple
3) keeps psi-knife
4) regains telepathy
5) stays in ninja diaper
6) retains martial arts training

I think then BOTH British body and Asian body fans might BOTH be happy as it is the best of both!! :)

[peopleofpaper]

LOL
Guys, have you seen this?
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.8009.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_70th_Anniversa ry_Frame_Covers

Betsy is featured in the frame by Jim Cheung!!! Wolverine, Emma, Cyclops, Storm, X-23, and maybe Pixie (I'm not sure) are there too!
http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/8009new_storyimage2317308_full.jpg

They should at least give her purple hair. It's nice that she's included, but it'd be nicer if it was either a distinctive Asian face or British Betsy instead. I think Kwannon should have black hair, but if it's Betsy it should always be purple. I hope British Betsy doesn't decide to wear the buttfloss (I think a bunch of people were calling it her slut suit on another forum lol). Her fiercely fighting Wolverine in her British body with the armor proves she can still be a "warrior" without being a ninja. She isn't an intimidated telepath who is vulnerable to attack. Fraction is making a mistake if he changes her back so quickly. At least give us a year. I wouldn't even mind if they kept British Betsy a villain as long as they kept her in this form for a while longer.

[psycwave]

The Besty/Wolverine fighting scene is now my wallpaper on my computer. I cant wait till next week so I cans ee how this issue all plays out. I hope she doesn't get gutted by Logan. After all these years I hope they make her competent enought to fight. And even though Betts is in her original body she doesn't need to reteach her body the skills she knows and some peope say. Remember before Kwannon came to confront her she spent months retraining the body to be the perfect fighting machine she used to be. BOth bodies are perfectly primed and ready for martial arts madness.

[psycwave]

She looks... not asian? Maybe BB is sticking around and just donning the hand thongkini?

Its better than no BB at all.

[Askanipsion]

Its better than no BB at all.
Aye!

I am really surprised that it hasn't been leaked accidentally if Betts is gonna stay British or revert to Asian.

Usually for things this big, someone finds out ahead of time. For example, people KNEW Connor Kent was going to be back before the issue came out.

I am torn....on side I would want to know so I can party if the British body wins....on the other hand I would disappointed before the story is even finished if Asian body wins...

[CmX]

At first I was really upset at the possiblity of Betsy reverting to Asian, but I have always liked Psylocke and at this point I'm just happy she's not being written by Claremont, she's invovled with the real X-Men again, and she's being drawn by all these great artists. As long as she lives and is involved with what stories matter I'm happy. :)

And if she stays British permanently then, that'll just be icing on the cake for me! I think my sexy BFF for life Gis aka the LuckyStar can agree!

[psycwave]

At first I was really upset at the possiblity of Betsy reverting to Asian, but I have always liked Psylocke and at this point I'm just happy she's not being written by Claremont, she's invovled with the real X-Men again, and she's being drawn by all these great artists. As long as she lives and is involved with what stories matter I'm happy. :)

And if she stays British permanently then, that'll just be icing on the cake for me! I think my sexy BFF for life Gis aka the LuckyStar can agree!

I think we can all agree with that. All that matter is Betsy is back. Asian British as long as she is written well and kicking ass!

BURTSY 09!!!

[Tazirai]

To each his own. I think there are as many Asian Psylocke fans as British Betsy ones; and no, not everyone likes Asian Psylocke for her supposed sexualization. I happen to enjoy her because, as I've stated previously, she personifies Betsy's inner strength as an outward manifestation now matched by both her psychic and physical prowess. Claremont has often described it perfectly when saying that in combat, Psylocke is the ultimate expression of beauty and grace tempered with her warrior spirit. It isn't about butt floss or thong floss or whatever the fans have dubbed it these days (and I actually like the costume, moreso when drawn by Jim Lee), but the character progression that can and should be explored in this incarnation.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Psylocke during her first tenure with the X-Men (her confrontation with Sabretooth during the Mutant Massacre remains one of my all-time favorites), but looking back, her time as British Betsy seems so long ago; almost like another lifetime. The Psylocke of today still has tons of story to play - and it doesn't have to be all about power switches and alternate realities. Matt Fraction, if he is really invested in making Psylocke a viable character and presence within the X-Men again, should remind the audience why we love Psylocke - does it really matter if she remains Asian? Really?

Personally, I'll go on the record and say that I want Psylocke to remain in her longstanding Asian form. It's the one many fans (British Betsy purists notwithstanding) and even Psylocke herself have grown accustomed to. Just give the woman some damn good characterization and story, and all will be well.

What was meant to come across was that. No matter which body remained. All thats important to me is she become a character and not a caricature.

THAT is important to BOTH sets of fans......WELL except the jack off crew.

[psycwave]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/288.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/289.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/00000.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll105/Bedlam_2008/psylocke%20only/291.jpg

[Free-Man]

What was meant to come across was that. No matter which body remained. All thats important to me is she become a character and not a caricature.

THAT is important to BOTH sets of fans......WELL except the jack off crew.

But her ethnicity was always important to me! She was one of the few asian superheroines out there who wasn't a complete and utter stereotype. Yeah, she used martial arts, but there was something about her that set her apart from all the other asian heroines out there.

She wasn't an asian with a knack for martial arts (Katana, Judomater, Lady Shiva), or an asian with a stereotypical superiority complex (Dr. Light).

She was a cool and well rounded asian heroine, and that's why I loved the character. Ever since I played Marvel v.s. Capcom 2 about 3 years ago, I've been a fan. Her going back to a white body would be a real turnoff for me.

[psycwave]

But her ethnicity was always important to me! She was one of the few asian superheroines out there who wasn't a complete and utter stereotype. Yeah, she used martial arts, but there was something about her that set her apart from all the other asian heroines out there.

She wasn't an asian with a knack for martial arts (Katana, Judomater, Lady Shiva), or an asian with a stereotypical superiority complex (Dr. Light).

She was a cool and well rounded asian heroine, and that's why I loved the character. Ever since I played Marvel v.s. Capcom 2 about 3 years ago, I've been a fan. Her going back to a white body would be a real turnoff for me.

But she isnt a asian character. Read back a couple pages. We just discussed this.

[eurazn]

But she isnt a asian character. Read back a couple pages. We just discussed this.

Exactly. Her mind, that of a caucasian woman, was put into in an Asian body. I love her as a character, but she should not be cited as an example of "Asian representation" in the X-Books.

[Aguja]

That is true, however, the X-Men have a tendency to utterly lack racial minorities in their team lineups. For books that preach tolerance and acceptance most of them are very status quo. Yes Psylocke is a token, which is never great. But diversity has to start somewhere IMO.

The problem though is even when in her Asian body she was rarely drawn as Asian so it really never mattered. Which is why she should just stay in her British body.

[psycwave]

That is true, however, the X-Men have a tendency to utterly lack racial minorities in their team lineups. For books that preach tolerance and acceptance most of them are very status quo. Yes Psylocke is a token, which is never great. But diversity has to start somewhere IMO.

The problem though is even when in her Asian body she was rarely drawn as Asian so it really never mattered. Which is why she should just stay in her British body.

But if thats the case then they need to do it with the actual asian characters.
Sunfire, Surge, Jubilee, Yukio, Kwannon, Karma, Lady Deathstrike, etc. not faux body swapped asian appearing. She can't be a token when she isnt really that.

[Aguja]

Oh that's true, but sadly Marvel has a horrible track record with racial minorities in titles. Just look at the people you listed and trace their character histories, it is bad. But I see what you are saying. It is MORE offensive that they will not write Asian characters well, and the only one of prominence is a white woman who became Asian.

[Tazirai]

But if thats the case then they need to do it with the actual asian characters.
Sunfire, Surge, Jubilee, Yukio, Kwannon, Karma, Lady Deathstrike, etc. not faux body swapped asian appearing. She can't be a token when she isnt really that.

I agree. Funny thing is Back in the way back. The X-men had THE Premiere.. most Racially diverse cast of ANY Marvel book. That seems to have changed since the first X-men movie came out for some reason. There may be no Correlation at all. but I did notice a trend after it though.

[psycwave]

Aww Psylocke isnt appearing on any covers for August. :frown:

[eurazn]

Aww Psylocke isnt appearing on any covers for August. :frown:

She and Dazzler will soon have their reunion in the pages of Uncanny as panel dressing.

Oh well, with Storm relegated to her role of being unconscious on the X-Base floor, the three of them can have an off-panel Outback X-Ladies Night.

[Tazirai]

Aww Psylocke isnt appearing on any covers for August. :frown:

This may help your Fix. ^^
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/tazirai/Betsy.jpg

[peopleofpaper]

idk if this was posted but here's a newish Jim Lee sketch from his DeviantArt

http://i40.tinypic.com/15ei6j8.jpg

http://jimlee00.deviantart.com/art/Psylocke-sketch-116353199

[lockerogue]

idk if this was posted but here's a newish Jim Lee sketch from his DeviantArt

http://i40.tinypic.com/15ei6j8.jpg

http://jimlee00.deviantart.com/art/Psylocke-sketch-116353199

He still draws a hot Psylocke.

[Darkchylde]

idk if this was posted but here's a newish Jim Lee sketch from his DeviantArt

http://i40.tinypic.com/15ei6j8.jpg

http://jimlee00.deviantart.com/art/Psylocke-sketch-116353199



That artwork is HOTNESS! Jim Lee is one of the few X-artists (along with Joe Madureira and possibly the Kubert brothers, Adam and Andy) who consistently knew how to draw Betsy. That, combined with her psychic knife (I'd forgotten how much I missed it until seeing it being used in the preview pages for Uncanny X-Men # 510), has always contributed to Asian Psylocke's visual awesomeness.

[cgar]

idk if this was posted but here's a newish Jim Lee sketch from his DeviantArt

http://i40.tinypic.com/15ei6j8.jpg

http://jimlee00.deviantart.com/art/Psylocke-sketch-116353199

HOLY FUCK that is SEXY. i will always love Jim Lee's Psylocke. Jim Lee art with Mike Carey writing. A boy can dream. I dont care about his awkward poses. haha

[Tazirai]

I love that above Picture for the art.. But the responses so far are the reasons why I hope her change back is permanent. They can draw her sexy as a brit, but Asian forms appeal seems to only be her sexiness.. whether its true or not.:tongue:

[Askanipsion]

He was one of the few artists that actually drew her Asian - great picture! - the only thing I used to not like is how he always drew her hair only to one side. In this picture, her hair looks good though.

The psi-knife looks cool too!

[psycwave]

idk if this was posted but here's a newish Jim Lee sketch from his DeviantArt

http://i40.tinypic.com/15ei6j8.jpg

http://jimlee00.deviantart.com/art/Psylocke-sketch-116353199

OMG That is the HAWTNESS. The only time I will accept ninja bodysuit.

[CmX]

Jim Lee hasn't fogotten Psylocke! I think she's one of his favorites. I'm going to add it to the blog. :)

[kk1]

I don't know if it's because he's Korean himself but Jim Lee is the only one who can draw an Asian Psylocke, and for that matter maybe because he's British Alan Davis is the only one who can draw British Betsy.

[lockerogue]

Marc Silvestri's British Betsy was the sex too. How I love Marc Silvestri.

[Dagger]

Art Adams drew a awesome Psylocke. Except he gave her Southern Diva hair.

[kk1]

Marc Silvestri's British Betsy was the sex too. How I love Marc Silvestri.


Well she looked good, but Silvestri kinda drew a generic female so his Betsy was basically the same as Rogue and Dazzler (and Maddie Pryor etc) with a different hairdo and outfit.

[cgar]

her psyknife looks brutal in that sketch. not wimpy like other people draw it.
this will cause UTTER DEVASTATION to peoples noggins haha

[Tazirai]

I don't know if it's because he's Korean himself but Jim Lee is the only one who can draw an Asian Psylocke, and for that matter maybe because he's British Alan Davis is the only one who can draw British Betsy.

You know come to think of it you are 1000000% correct. Certain Artists just know how to draw her.

Her British Body premiere artists is Silvestri Davis and Adams.

Her Japanese Body.. Jim Lee. hehehe. Think he'

[psycwave]

Marc Silvestri's British Betsy was the sex too. How I love Marc Silvestri.

This is true.

Art Adams drew a awesome Psylocke. Except he gave her Southern Diva hair.

This is also true.

her psyknife looks brutal in that sketch. not wimpy like other people draw it.
this will cause UTTER DEVASTATION to peoples noggins haha

It's like she is saying "This is the focused totality....Oh screw that BITCH you bout to get PWNED!!!"

[Askanipsion]

Only thing I didn't like with British Betsy/Revanche is sometimes the artists made her hair super curly.....didn't like that.

Wavy is fine but curly didn't look good on her.

[CmX]

Yeah I agree. I think they were just trying to make them have their own distinct look since Asian Betsy's hair was very sleek and dark. They made Revanche's a lot thicker (almost perm-like on ocassion) and lavender.

But now her hair looks sexual! Can't wait for Wednesday.

[psycwave]

Yeah I agree. I think they were just trying to make them have their own distinct look since Asian Betsy's hair was very sleek and dark. They made Revanche's a lot thicker (almost perm-like on ocassion) and lavender.

But now her hair looks sexual! Can't wait for Wednesday.

AAIIIIIEEEE Wednsday!!! British Aussie Armor psy knife Betsy! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Fatguy]

idk if this was posted but here's a newish Jim Lee sketch from his DeviantArt

http://i40.tinypic.com/15ei6j8.jpg

http://jimlee00.deviantart.com/art/Psylocke-sketch-116353199

That's really great looking. The face doesnt look very Jim Lee though, it looks more like Jim Cheung.

[Askanipsion]

Yeah I agree. I think they were just trying to make them have their own distinct look since Asian Betsy's hair was very sleek and dark. They made Revanche's a lot thicker (almost perm-like on ocassion) and lavender.
.

The annoying part was the previous issue she had no perm when Revanche took the hood & mask off....it was wavy.

Then suddenly she had this AWFUL perm next issue which only took place seconds later......did Beast give Revanche a perm while Wolvie had Asian Betsy pinned against the wall???

[Askanipsion]

That's really great looking. The face doesnt look very Jim Lee though, it looks more like Jim Cheung.

Totally agree! I knew it didn't look like Jim's other Betsy drawings but couldn't place whose it reminded me of....it is definitely Cheung.

The psi-knife just looks so bad-ass!

[Selene]

idk if this was posted but here's a newish Jim Lee sketch from his DeviantArt

http://i40.tinypic.com/15ei6j8.jpg

http://jimlee00.deviantart.com/art/Psylocke-sketch-116353199
Lee's definetely the best at drawing Betsy's oriental looks and her psi-knife!Followed by Kubert(Andy,I've always disliked Adam's art)and,of course,Silvestri!While Davis draws the best representation of her British looks. :smile:

[Free-Man]

Lee's definetely the best at drawing Betsy's oriental looks and her psi-knife!Followed by Kubert(Andy,I've always disliked Adam's art)and,of course,Silvestri!While Davis draws the best representation of her British looks. :smile:

Dude, ORIENTAL is a rug. The term is Asian. Which Betsy had better still be when this arc is over! :mad:

[Selene]

First,I'm not a "dude". :smile:

Second,my bad,I thought that "Asian" and "Oriental" are basically the same thing.

Third,I,too,want her to retain her Asian looks by the end of the arc.

[Free-Man]

First,I'm not a "dude". :smile:

Second,my bad,I thought that "Asian" and "Oriental" are basically the same thing.

Third,I,too,want her to retain her Asian looks by the end of the arc.

No prob. It's not really offensive. It's kinda like "negro" where it's not an insult per se, just really outdated and incorrect, given that people with the same features are found outside of the "Orient".

[tlp0708]

First,I'm not a "dude". :smile:

Second,my bad,I thought that "Asian" and "Oriental" are the same thing.

Third,I,too,want her to be Asian by the end of the arc.

Oriental would be a derogatory name for Asians. People use it more frequently and think it's more acceptable than the other derogatory names but it's still one.

See the book titled Orientalism.





On a separate note, I don't care what body Betsy is in as long as she stays in the main books.

[tlp0708]

No prob. It's not really offensive. It's kinda like "negro" where it's not an insult per se, just really outdated and incorrect, given that people with the same features are found outside of the "Orient".


I think this is a matter of opinion. Some find it far more offensive than others.

And the "Orient" isn't PC either.

[Dagger]

Dude, ORIENTAL is a rug. The term is Asian. Which Betsy had better still be when this arc is over! :mad:
UGH. STFU AND GTFO. She needs to go back to being British. We don't need Psytwat in the X-books anymore.

[Free-Man]

UGH. STFU AND GTFO. She needs to go back to being British. We don't need Psytwat in the X-books anymore.

Wow, what's with the hostility?

[timbox]

UGH. STFU AND GTFO. She needs to go back to being British. We don't need Psytwat in the X-books anymore.

You STFU first. Real fans prefer Asian Psylocke.

Calling people British is v.offensive, FYI!

[Selene]

Oh,I see,thank you both for explaining that to me(English isn't my mother tongue). :redface: Since certain people find the term "Oriental" insulting,then I guess I should limit it to "Asian". :smile:

[Dagger]

Wow, what's with the hostility?
Asian Dragon Lady Psylocke is a blight on the character. It regresses her role to little more than window dressing and a sex object, and unable to carry an interesting character piece about her.

[Dagger]

You STFU first. Real fans prefer Asian Psylocke.

Calling people British is v.offensive, FYI!
LISTEN HERE, ANDROGYNE! REAL FANS CAN SUCK MY TAINT!

and what do I care if I insult people?

[timbox]

Oh,I see,thank you both for explaining that to me(English isn't my mother tongue). :redface: Since certain people find the term "Oriental" insulting,then I guess I should limit it to "Asian". :smile:

People are easily offended.

[Dagger]

People are easily offended.
Who's behind X in your avvie?

[timbox]

LISTEN HERE, ANDROGYNE! REAL FANS CAN SUCK MY TAINT!

and what do I care if I insult people?

I already licked Agent_Torpor's taint yesterday. Do you bleach?

[Free-Man]

Asian Dragon Lady Psylocke is a blight on the character. It regresses her role to little more than window dressing and a sex object, and unable to carry an interesting character piece about her.

I can understand that you dislike that, but you sounded like you wanted to duct-tape my mouth and beat me with a pipe. Just making sure I didn't offend you somehow.

[timbox]

Who's behind X in your avvie?

Domino.

101

[Selene]

People are easily offended.
C'est la vie,I suppose. :smile:

[Dagger]

I already licked Agent_Torpor's taint yesterday. Do you bleach?
No, but I scrub with a wire brush.
I can understand that you dislike that, but you sounded like you wanted to duct-tape my mouth and beat me with a pipe. Just making sure I didn't offend you somehow.
I still may want to.
Domino.

101
Hot.

[Free-Man]

No, but I scrub with a wire brush.

I still may want to.

Hot.

Well if you still want to, use premium grade tape. I'm quite the talker. :biggrin:

[kk1]

Oriental would be a derogatory name for Asians. People use it more frequently and think it's more acceptable than the other derogatory names but it's still one.


s.


Can somone explain why? I keep hearing this but don't understand. I keep hearing "it's a rug!" but the word has nothing to do with rugs, it's a synonym for Eastern plain and simple it's opposite is Occidental that means western. There's lots of geographic features with these names, like mountain ranges it's just a geographic term like "asian". So why would calling someone "Eastern" be offensive?

[tlp0708]

Can somone explain why? I keep hearing this but don't understand. I keep hearing "it's a rug!" but the word has nothing to do with rugs, it's a synonym for Eastern plain and simple it's opposite is Occidental that means western. There's lots of geographic features with these names, like mountain ranges it's just a geographic term like "asian". So why would calling someone "Eastern" be offensive?

It's a bit difficult to sum up in such a short space. It's a synonym for non-Europe, not specifically Eastern. England and other European powers used it to describe not just China, but Egypt. The "Oriental" was something the European was not and could never be. The Oriental, like the Orient, was the opposite of European civilization, culture, reason, etc. The Oriental was savage, inferior, exotic, often sexually perverse. All I can say is read Orientalism.

[tlp0708]

Can somone explain why? I keep hearing this but don't understand. I keep hearing "it's a rug!" but the word has nothing to do with rugs, it's a synonym for Eastern plain and simple it's opposite is Occidental that means western. There's lots of geographic features with these names, like mountain ranges it's just a geographic term like "asian". So why would calling someone "Eastern" be offensive?

Here's something that sums it up far better than I could.

http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/livewire/archived/oriental_rugs_or_people/

[kk1]

Here's something that sums it up far better than I could.

http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/livewire/archived/oriental_rugs_or_people/


I've never heard of any of those uses nor implied any of them when using the word, nor have I ever heard anyone use it as a racially derogatory term (believe me I have heard whites make fun of Asians and they use lots of other words but never that one). So a few people thought it was offensive so now no one can use it? pfft Why isn't "Asian" implying the same exact things? I'll make sure to use it more now.

[cgar]

Chris Garcia Mr. Carey. How it goes? Anyways is Gambit just a one-shot? And you know what you should do. Totally write a Psylocke one-shot or mini whatever haha. She just came back she's out of the loop.

Mike Carey at 12:33am May 19

Hi Chris.

Yeah, Gambit is just a one-shot, in the ORIGINS series. I *do* have designs on Psylocke, but it might be a while before I get to include her in a story...


Yes im one of those that asks haha. but yah i guess its gonna be a while

[Seccruz]

Chris Garcia Mr. Carey. How it goes? Anyways is Gambit just a one-shot? And you know what you should do. Totally write a Psylocke one-shot or mini whatever haha. She just came back she's out of the loop.

Mike Carey at 12:33am May 19

Hi Chris.

Yeah, Gambit is just a one-shot, in the ORIGINS series. I *do* have designs on Psylocke, but it might be a while before I get to include her in a story...


Yes im one of those that asks haha. but yah i guess its gonna be a while

LOL!!! He did always say he wanted to get his hands on Betts, and, given what he's done for my gal Rogue recently, he can have her and make her someone who isn't just there to pose, but actually do something.

[psycwave]

Chris Garcia Mr. Carey. How it goes? Anyways is Gambit just a one-shot? And you know what you should do. Totally write a Psylocke one-shot or mini whatever haha. She just came back she's out of the loop.

Mike Carey at 12:33am May 19

Hi Chris.

Yeah, Gambit is just a one-shot, in the ORIGINS series. I *do* have designs on Psylocke, but it might be a while before I get to include her in a story...


Yes im one of those that asks haha. but yah i guess its gonna be a while

UGH Mike is toooooo nice. He needs to TAKE what he wants!!! THAT MEANS TAKE PSYLOCKE!!

[eurazn]

I've never heard of any of those uses nor implied any of them when using the word, nor have I ever heard anyone use it as a racially derogatory term (believe me I have heard whites make fun of Asians and they use lots of other words but never that one). So a few people thought it was offensive so now no one can use it? pfft Why isn't "Asian" implying the same exact things? I'll make sure to use it more now.

Isn't it enough that the Asian community, recipient of that label, says it's derogatory to warrant discontinuing its use? "A few people" undermines the significance of the objection to the term and quite frankly betrays your ignorance of its usage and meaning.

[eurazn]

UGH Mike is toooooo nice. He needs to TAKE what he wants!!! THAT MEANS TAKE PSYLOCKE!!

Agreed! Under Fraction's pen, Psylocke will not be developed adequately (if at all), so Carey really ought to save her and let her shine.

[psycwave]

OMG UNXM comes out tomorrow. I must know what happens. Im getting anxious.

[eurazn]

OMG UNXM comes out tomorrow. I must know what happens. Im getting anxious.

My prediction: she remains mind-controlled and is thrown away in the plot in favor of other characters.

I'm sorry, psyc, I hate to be such a pessimist but I haven't had much source material to draw hope from :frown:

[Tazirai]

On a separate note, I don't care what body Betsy is in as long as she stays in the main books.

AND to add. Is not WALLPAPER or Written horribly.

[Tazirai]

You STFU first. Real fans prefer Asian Psylocke.

Calling people British is v.offensive, FYI!

I consider myself a "REAL Fan" whatever the hell that means.:biggrin:
But im biased towards a hot Brit Telepath in Armour.. YOWZA!!

[psycwave]

My prediction: she remains mind-controlled and is thrown away in the plot in favor of other characters.

I'm sorry, psyc, I hate to be such a pessimist but I haven't had much source material to draw hope from :frown:

I know. There isnt much to gain hope from but we must believe! False hope is better than none.

[unlimitedjason]

My prediction: she remains mind-controlled and is thrown away in the plot in favor of other characters.

Agreed. I feel as if Psylocke's return to her british form was only for story. I 'could' hope that there's more to it-- but I already feel as if this story is just having characters thrown in for no good reason. :cool:

[kk1]

Isn't it enough that the Asian community, recipient of that label, says it's derogatory to warrant discontinuing its use? "A few people" undermines the significance of the objection to the term and quite frankly betrays your ignorance of its usage and meaning.


MMmm what "community" ? Even that article pointed out some Asians have no problem with it, so it's some vocal group that objects not the whole "community".

[eurazn]

MMmm what "community" ? Even that article pointed out some Asians have no problem with it, so it's some vocal group that objects not the whole "community".

So that justifies using it? Why would you side with the contingent that sees no problem with it as opposed to the other contingent that does see a problem with it? Easiest solution is to not use it at all, especially if you aren't Asian.

[CmX]

Hm, I dunno. I think Psylocke will have a larger role than most characters in Uncanny. I think she'll be up there with Colossus and Beast to be honest. But not Cyke or Emma level.

But I have been wrong before! -- err wait no I haven't. =/ Yet atleast.

[eurazn]

Agreed. I feel as if Psylocke's return to her british form was only for story. I 'could' hope that there's more to it-- but I already feel as if this story is just having characters thrown in for no good reason. :cool:

Characters thrown in for no good reason = ZOMG ROTATING CAST! Ugh. It has not been executed very well at all!

BTW, welcome to the boards!

Hm, I dunno. I think Psylocke will have a larger role than most characters in Uncanny. I think she'll be up there with Colossus and Beast to be honest. But not Cyke or Emma level.

But I have been wrong before! -- err wait no I haven't. =/ Yet atleast.

I was optimistic like you are when the Psylocke images started hitting the internet. However, we have precedent now, and I think this may be the time you're wrong, unfortunately!

[Free-Man]

Characters thrown in for no good reason = ZOMG ROTATING CAST! Ugh. It has not been executed very well at all!

BTW, welcome to the boards!



I was optimistic like you are when the Psylocke images started hitting the internet. However, we have precedent now, and I think this may be the time you're wrong, unfortunately!

The X-Men are suffering from the same problem as the JSA. There are writers like Bill Willingham who can do wonders with large rotating casts, but Geoff Johns and Matt Fraction definately don't belong to that camp. I know that Scott and Emma are probably the most important characters, but it's not fair that they get all the screen time while Nightcrawler and Dazzler appear roughly three panels per issue.

[Selene]

Didn't know where else to post this...Captain-Britain and MI-13 will be cancelled by issue #15... (http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/05/19/captain-britain-cancelled/) :frown: