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Magneto Rocks
03-22-2008, 09:30 AM
Recently, I've been re-reading "Villains United" and the lead-ins to Infinite Crisis, and it's reminded just how fantastic the potential really was. Let's face it, the villains in DC team up in one ultra-giant-super-team-of-villains-that-will-DEFINITELY-do-it-this-time every few years- Hell, it looks like Final Crisis will be the third time in the last three years, but I always felt there was something different about 2005's Society.

It genuinely felt like the one time everything was done *right*. The villains had an organic motive for banding together in the wake of Doctor Light's mindwipe. Moreover, it was line-wide build-up that had repurcussions everywhere; from Batman to Teen Titans to Superman, everyone was in it. It didn't fall prey to the old "Villains In-Fighting" either, instead it actually felt like a single unified society under a ruling council, and the characters in that council were very well selected and had great interaction. I remember eading what Gail Simone wrote in an interview- that for the first time ever, the villains were far more organized than the heroes, and as the JLA fell apart, the villains were banding together.

But the key thing, the really key thing for me, was that the Society felt like a threat. It felt like they might actually succeed. It wasn't just some giant attack to "conquer the world", it was actually a meticulously crafted plan to establish a new society, and it felt like they could damn well do it- this was especially clear in the "Villains United" special, as they smoothly made breakouts worldwide, and it became clear that this time, they might have the organization, the mechanism- they'd be the ones with the prisons, they were outwitting their foes at every turn.

Then Infinite Crisis itself came along and they got a few pages throughout the first 6 issues which devolved into a giant, stupid, lowest common denominator "everyone attack Metropolis!" battle in the last issue. Yeah.

I honestly think the Society is some of the most wasted potential in all of DC over the last few years. It created MASSIVE oppurtunity for storytelling and exploration, it was a villain organization that felt novel, that felt like a threat instead of a cliché (For which Gail Simone is probably to be thanked) and yet it totally fell apart because they were only a minor plot thread lost in the general hubbub of Infinite Crisis. Am I the only one who feels like this? Or do you think the Society was taken as far as it could reasonably have gone? I'd be itnerested to hear the thoughts of others on this matter.

Kid Kamikaze10
03-22-2008, 09:38 AM
Recently, I've been re-reading "Villains United" and the lead-ins to Infinite Crisis, and it's reminded just how fantastic the potential really was. Let's face it, the villains in DC team up in one ultra-giant-super-team-of-villains-that-will-DEFINITELY-do-it-this-time every few years- Hell, it looks like Final Crisis will be the third time in the last three years, but I always felt there was something different about 2005's Society.

It genuinely felt like the one time everything was done *right*. The villains had an organic motive for banding together in the wake of Doctor Light's mindwipe. Moreover, it was line-wide build-up that had repurcussions everywhere; from Batman to Teen Titans to Superman, everyone was in it. It didn't fall prey to the old "Villains In-Fighting" either, instead it actually felt like a single unified society under a ruling council, and the characters in that council were very well selected and had great interaction. I remember eading what Gail Simone wrote in an interview- that for the first time ever, the villains were far more organized than the heroes, and as the JLA fell apart, the villains were banding together.

But the key thing, the really key thing for me, was that the Society felt like a threat. It felt like they might actually succeed. It wasn't just some giant attack to "conquer the world", it was actually a meticulously crafted plan to establish a new society, and it felt like they could damn well do it- this was especially clear in the "Villains United" special, as they smoothly made breakouts worldwide, and it became clear that this time, they might have the organization, the mechanism- they'd be the ones with the prisons, they were outwitting their foes at every turn.

Then Infinite Crisis itself came along and they got a few pages throughout the first 6 issues which devolved into a giant, stupid, lowest common denominator "everyone attack Metropolis!" battle in the last issue. Yeah.

I honestly think the Society is some of the most wasted potential in all of DC over the last few years. It created MASSIVE oppurtunity for storytelling and exploration, it was a villain organization that felt novel, that felt like a threat instead of a cliché (For which Gail Simone is probably to be thanked) and yet it totally fell apart because they were only a minor plot thread lost in the general hubbub of Infinite Crisis. Am I the only one who feels like this? Or do you think the Society was taken as far as it could reasonably have gone? I'd be itnerested to hear the thoughts of others on this matter.

To be honest, I agree.

The Society's main line-up was stellar. I don't know why they dissolved right after IC. That didn't have to be the case. The story potential was huge.

I actually don't blame Johns directly for this. Even though the Society lost in a massive attack in IC, they should have lasted, even past 52. But I guess the lost was too great for them to regroup from.

However, as you said, it'll happen again in Final Crisis probably, though not nearly as organized. I mean, when it comes to organization:

Calculator, Lex, Talia, DS, and Dr. Psycho >>>>>> Libra and Human Flame, and maybe Lex and a few scientists (if they care).

Kid Kamikaze10
03-22-2008, 09:41 AM
Then again, Marvel did the same thing with The Hood. He's getting another chance, probably, but the story potential has dwindled, and it ticked me off just as much as the Society's breakdown.

Sean Walsh
03-22-2008, 04:19 PM
Considering the Calculator (IMO the best part of the Society - the fact that he was revamped into something interesting and made 10000% more relevant than ever before) is still around, it'd be fun to see him try to build up a new Society - and in doing so reviving and revamping a bunch of fellow "lameos" into real threats.

And with the main villains off on Desaad's planet, they've got all the DCU in their grips.

Magneto Rocks
03-22-2008, 04:27 PM
Then again, Marvel did the same thing with The Hood. He's getting another chance, probably, but the story potential has dwindled, and it ticked me off just as much as the Society's breakdown.

That doesn't annoy me as much because the Society were build up DC-wide for well over half a year. The Hood's gang were defeated in the exact same storyline as they were created in. There was squandered potential there, but we hadn't been led to expect as much.

PanzerMega
03-23-2008, 07:06 PM
I honestly think the Society is some of the most wasted potential in all of DC over the last few years. It created MASSIVE oppurtunity for storytelling and exploration, it was a villain organization that felt novel, that felt like a threat instead of a cliché (For which Gail Simone is probably to be thanked) and yet it totally fell apart because they were only a minor plot thread lost in the general hubbub of Infinite Crisis. Am I the only one who feels like this? Or do you think the Society was taken as far as it could reasonably have gone? I'd be itnerested to hear the thoughts of others on this matter.

Couldn't agree more.

The Society was the most interesting part of the Infinite Crisis buildup, and I was disappointed when the Society's threat was just a distraction for Alexander Luthor's lame multiverse plot.

titanfan
03-24-2008, 04:31 PM
I'm assuming that once the villains realized Lex wasn't Lex (and was killed), then the Society lost credibility. And without any credible leadership (and knowing Lex actively opposed them), it probably just splintered.

I suppose Lex could have taken over as head of the Society, but maybe his ego got in the way.

brundlefly
03-24-2008, 04:50 PM
I suppose Lex could have taken over as head of the Society, but maybe his ego got in the way.

Lex used Alex Luthor's death to publicly clear his name, resumed his role as LexCorp CEO, and then started the Everyman Project after IC. At that point, he didn't need the Society (although he could have, perhaps, run it by proxy through Calculator in order to keep his name from being associated with it but still manipulating it).

echopryme
03-24-2008, 04:52 PM
In many ways, to me at least, it feels like Salvation Run is a follow-up to that story (although, admittedly, not as good).

The Villains of the former Society have now been given what they wanted... a society to rule as they see fit, and it's a mess. The basic notion behind The Society was that all these guys coyuld get along, and that's NEVER going to happen. However, watching the Rogues in organized action is a joy.

Now, after Salvation Run re-establishes the leadership caste, then by all means, I say HELL YES bring back the Society. Bring back the Secret Six as well, now that they tried to throw Deadshot in with the maniacs.