Ms. Marvel #25 *Preview*

[jackolover]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0803/21/marvelfirsts.htm

This seems pretty awesome, as it portrays the begginings of the Skrull Invasion logistics, way back before Carol was a super hero. Very interesting, and not at all what I expected. Even Tony Starks evidence that Carol was in two places at the same time, was good build up for what comes next.

[Animalia]

Even though I Hate Ms. Marvel with a passion, I will probably pick up this book. I love how when Marvel goes back in time now they make the art all old-like.

[Mark_S]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0803/21/marvelfirsts.htm

This seems pretty awesome, as it portrays the begginings of the Skrull Invasion logistics, way back before Carol was a super hero. Very interesting, and not at all what I expected. Even Tony Starks evidence that Carol was in two places at the same time, was good build up for what comes next.

Go skrulls. If they've been planning it that long they deserve to win.

Mark_S

[Mort]

It looks good - I like the use of the thought balloons, it goes nicely with the art to create that older feel.

[Mark_S]

Even though I Hate Ms. Marvel with a passion, I will probably pick up this book. I love how when Marvel goes back in time now they make the art all old-like.

It is a nice technique, and from the looks of it Carol will be slugging it out with AIM and then SHIELD troops might come in and shoot her in the back. I try to pick up this book when I know or suspect that she's going to get beaten up a lot.

Mark_S

[XPac]

It is a nice technique, and from the looks of it Carol will be slugging it out with AIM and then SHIELD troops might come in and shoot her in the back. I try to pick up this book when I know or suspect that she's going to get beaten up a lot.

Mark_S

If Stark is sending in SHIELD troops against a superhero, 9 times out of 10 it's not the superhero that ends up getting beat up.

They only have a real chance of taking Carol down if Stark grows a set and takes her on himself.

[Magneto Rocks]

If Stark is sending in SHIELD troops against a superhero, 9 times out of 10 it's not the superhero that ends up getting beat up.

They only have a real chance of taking Carol down if Stark grows a set and takes her on himself.

Because clearly when you're the Director of SHIELD and dealing with 40 thousand crises at once, it's cowardice if you don't go yourself to take out what appears to be one more random Skrull disguised as a friend.

[Shyft]

Because clearly when you're the Director of SHIELD and dealing with 40 thousand crises at once, it's cowardice if you don't go yourself to take out what appears to be one more random Skrull disguised as a friend.

well he seems to find the time to make a personal appearance in every other book! i think not turning up in person to get his ass kicked by Ms. Marvel is a slap in the face for Carol. she works so hard.

[Mark_S]

If Stark is sending in SHIELD troops against a superhero, 9 times out of 10 it's not the superhero that ends up getting beat up.

They only have a real chance of taking Carol down if Stark grows a set and takes her on himself.

It depends on what and who he sends against her. Carol was Tony's attack dog in cw, since then she's been going after every target he's laid out, but now he can't trust her since he is not sure that she is she, he might send Jessica with a squad of Cape Killers to take her down. After all this is Tony Stark, he doesn't ally himself with anyone without making detailed plans on how to take them out later on. I'm sure that in every battle Tony has been making notes on where Carol's weak points are.

He could also grab one of the Initiative 50 state groups or he could sic the Thunderbolts on her. The best way of course would be to ask her into the office and pump it full of knockout gas. A lot depends on what he wants to do with the skrull he thinks that he is going to capture. Or he could mess up all the way and Carol could be killed with the Skrull gets away.

Mark_S

[DaeJi]

well he seems to find the time to make a personal appearance in every other book! i think not turning up in person to get his ass kicked by Ms. Marvel is a slap in the face for Carol. she works so hard.

I would pick Ironman over Ms. Marvel in a fight. With Tony, I see this as him once again falling prey to the Skrull mindgames. Ever since Extremis and Civil War he's gotten more and more inhuman. Hmmm... he may just be the perfect one to take on the Skrulls... I love Ms. Marvel, and superheroes are at their best when the entire freaking universe is against them. This looks like some fun story, and I can't wait for her to take on the Skrulls.

[The Confessor]

Looks good...loving that old skool artwork. I'll almost certainly pick this up along with New Avengers this week.

[Shyft]

I would pick Ironman over Ms. Marvel in a fight. With Tony, I see this as him once again falling prey to the Skrull mindgames. Ever since Extremis and Civil War he's gotten more and more inhuman. Hmmm... he may just be the perfect one to take on the Skrulls... I love Ms. Marvel, and superheroes are at their best when the entire freaking universe is against them. This looks like some fun story, and I can't wait for her to take on the Skrulls.

Lol id pick Iron Man too usually, i was just referring to the fact that it seemed the fashion after Civil War that if Iron Man turned up for conflict in another book, he got beaten up.

[dabig2]

Because clearly when you're the Director of SHIELD and dealing with 40 thousand crises at once, it's cowardice if you don't go yourself to take out what appears to be one more random Skrull disguised as a friend.

When that random skull disguised as your friend is your #2 and leader of the mighty avengers team that you find the time to be on....might be a little more complicated.

But we all know the reason for it anyways, it's her and her supporting character's books. IM is just a plot device to reveal the "reveal".

[XPac]

Because clearly when you're the Director of SHIELD and dealing with 40 thousand crises at once, it's cowardice if you don't go yourself to take out what appears to be one more random Skrull disguised as a friend.

I'd say its on the cowardly side if you're doing this when you're freaking working with her on a regular basis.

If you want Carol, you don't send a bunch of SHIELD agents that have no chance whatsoever of taking her in. You can simply request that she meet with him in Avengers tower, and take it from there. Again, they work together in the same freaking building and on the same team... it's ridiculously easy to meet ace to face without sending a bunch of SHIELD agents to get their butts kicked. He made the time to see Carol when she wanted to send him to attack Marvel, so I don't see why he can't make the time to see Carol herself.

It's just funny that he's sicking others to do his dirty work for him. Against high powered beings like either Marvel, it's suspicious... and borderline Skrully.

[XPac]

Lol id pick Iron Man too usually, i was just referring to the fact that it seemed the fashion after Civil War that if Iron Man turned up for conflict in another book, he got beaten up.

Yeah, Starks win-loss record has taking a pretty big dive since Civil War. No shame in losing to Thor... but he on paper should be the favorite against She-Hulk. Cap and Spidey shoudln't stand a chance. Yet Tony despite being more powerful than ever, has been losing more than ever.

Maybe he's realizing this and has decided to save a little face by sending others to get their butts kicked in his place.

[CMBMOOL]

Even though I Hate Ms. Marvel with a passion, I will probably pick up this book. I love how when Marvel goes back in time now they make the art all old-like.

I agree, I previously dropped the book during her Civil War run and avoid her due to her self-doubt about herself and her power and her current status in her life.

I might pick up this story in TPB, if it good enough. :p

[CMBMOOL]

It depends on what and who he sends against her. Carol was Tony's attack dog in cw, since then she's been going after every target he's laid out, but now he can't trust her since he is not sure that she is she, he might send Jessica with a squad of Cape Killers to take her down. After all this is Tony Stark, he doesn't ally himself with anyone without making detailed plans on how to take them out later on. I'm sure that in every battle Tony has been making notes on where Carol's weak points are.

He could also grab one of the Initiative 50 state groups or he could sic the Thunderbolts on her. The best way of course would be to ask her into the office and pump it full of knockout gas. A lot depends on what he wants to do with the skrull he thinks that he is going to capture. Or he could mess up all the way and Carol could be killed with the Skrull gets away.

Mark_S

So many choices, yet so little time to do them all. :cool:

[CMBMOOL]

Yeah, Starks win-loss record has taking a pretty big dive since Civil War. No shame in losing to Thor... but he on paper should be the favorite against She-Hulk. Cap and Spidey shoudln't stand a chance. Yet Tony despite being more powerful than ever, has been losing more than ever.

Maybe he's realizing this and has decided to save a little face by sending others to get their butts kicked in his place.

Don't forget his fight with the Hulk, as it my all time favorite Iron Man smackdown in the post Civil War world. :p

[Netley]

I think Agent Sum might be a Skrull (he recently got burned to a crisp and turned out OK, without having to explain himself). Tony could have no idea and actually be confiding in Sum what he thinks about Carol. OR, Tony could be turning the tables on the whole mind-game thing, feeding Sum info to misdirect that he's on to him!

And I was expecting the one-version-is-a-Skrull-but-not-the-other take on Wolvie and/or Spidey, but not Ms. Marvel! The Carol we've gotten to know from this series can't be a Skrull, since the inner monologue we've been exposed to is full of human concerns and doubt about her own identity.

Of course, the whole sleeper-agent idea throws off the inner monologue/thought balloon deductions. I hope they don't use sleeper agents (one maybe would be OK), since it would negate a lot of the clues laid out thus far.

Also, I love the stylistic flashback!!! Bringing a nice consistency with MA and the whole Skrulls-are-truly-classic-villains vibe. And the cover is my favorite Horn Skrullification art yet. Good stuff, really looking forward to the issue!

[Mark_S]

It also fits his self proclaimed "poor me I'm all torn up over what I've done" image of a man who's so tormented he can't muster up the concentration needed to fight.

But we don't really know what Tony is going to do yet, or even if this is Tony we're talking about. Given the Micky Mouse security SHIELD excells in that could be anyone from an LMD to a skrull giving those orders.

Mark_S

[mikekerr3]

Because clearly when you're the Director of SHIELD and dealing with 40 thousand crises at once, it's cowardice if you don't go yourself to take out what appears to be one more random Skrull disguised as a friend.

He should do it himself, if for no other reason than if he is wrong and she dies less people would be implicated in her murder. If he is right there is a good chance that a lot of Shield agents would die.

I thinksince she has her Binary powers back he is taking the tactic he used with Thor, Strange and Sersi, keeping his metal covered rear whole. What chance would Sheild Agents have agaist Binary or a Skrull with Binaries Powers.

It would be fun to see the Thundeerbolts go against a cosmic level character like Binary, but that won't happen since the Thunderbolts are selling too well

[jackolover]

It depends on what and who he sends against her. Carol was Tony's attack dog in cw, since then she's been going after every target he's laid out, but now he can't trust her since he is not sure that she is she, he might send Jessica with a squad of Cape Killers to take her down. After all this is Tony Stark, he doesn't ally himself with anyone without making detailed plans on how to take them out later on. I'm sure that in every battle Tony has been making notes on where Carol's weak points are.

He could also grab one of the Initiative 50 state groups or he could sic the Thunderbolts on her. The best way of course would be to ask her into the office and pump it full of knockout gas. A lot depends on what he wants to do with the skrull he thinks that he is going to capture. Or he could mess up all the way and Carol could be killed with the Skrull gets away.

Mark_S

Stark appears, from the dialogue, to be sincerely concerned about Carol, and he is not jumping in willy nilly to shut her down. He knows there is a dupe, but he doesn't know which one. I think Tony will set up a sting to flush out the Skrull, and not put Carol in any embarrassing situation. But it's Tony. The way he is written these days, it's like they have to show him being a douch bag before his true colours appear. Look how he treated Jessica Drew in NA #25? He completely turned on her, then after WWH took her back.

[jackolover]

It would be fun to see the Thunderbolts go against a cosmic level character like Binary, but that won't happen since the Thunderbolts are selling too well

Can't see the TBolts taking on Carol because she can just fly away, and leave them high and dry.

[XPac]

Can't see the TBolts taking on Carol because she can just fly away, and leave them high and dry.

Moonstone and Songbird can fight too. Honestly, I think Moonstone vs Carol in particular could be an interesting fight.

But Carol is registered, so she's seemingly outside of the TBolt jurisdiction. In theory I suppose they can fight whomever the government deems they should... but they stayed out of WWH so I think they're just being used in their particular niche.

[Mark_S]

Moonstone and Songbird can fight too. Honestly, I think Moonstone vs Carol in particular could be an interesting fight.

But Carol is registered, so she's seemingly outside of the TBolt jurisdiction. In theory I suppose they can fight whomever the government deems they should... but they stayed out of WWH so I think they're just being used in their particular niche.

Besides (and here I will give a bit of credit to Tony though I don't usually like to) the Thunderbolts are not under SHIELD command and are just as likely to kill Carol for the fun of it. Killing a skrull that Tony would want to question in the first place or killing the head of the Avengers in the second, neither of which will help any. Also if word got out that Tony handpicked a skrull to lead the Avengers his prestige will take a pretty big hit, as will the official Avengers as the public and the government begin to wonder who else on the team is a skrull.

Mark_S

[CyberCoyote]

I agree Sum's a prime Skrull target, but the evidence of another Carol in SHIELD while Ms Marvel was on Monster Island WITH Sum makes it difficult, unless it's a pair of Skrulls.

It's also pretty odd that he automatically assumes (or acts like he does) that the Carol from Monster Isle was the fake.

Unless Stark turns out to be a Skrull in the end I can't imagine he'd not see through some of this, he comes off like a jerk a lot, but he's a smart guy and isn't really villainous in any way, just a bit too full of himself. And I adore Carol, but unless she went Binary IM's a bit out of her league.

[Monty_Cristo]

It would be fun to see the Thundeerbolts go against a cosmic level character like Binary, but that won't happen since the Thunderbolts are selling too well

they already fought Nova.

[Mort]

I agree Sum's a prime Skrull target, but the evidence of another Carol in SHIELD while Ms Marvel was on Monster Island WITH Sum makes it difficult, unless it's a pair of Skrulls.

It's also pretty odd that he automatically assumes (or acts like he does) that the Carol from Monster Isle was the fake.

Unless Stark turns out to be a Skrull in the end I can't imagine he'd not see through some of this, he comes off like a jerk a lot, but he's a smart guy and isn't really villainous in any way, just a bit too full of himself. And I adore Carol, but unless she went Binary IM's a bit out of her league.

If the Carol on Monster Island was the fake Carol it means that it has to have been infiltrated as Carol for a long period of time since before she's been with Lightning Storm (and would have been easier to replace without anybody noticing) and that would seem the less likely idea.

I still think the fake Carol is a ploy to flush out Sum as skrull.

[XPac]

I agree Sum's a prime Skrull target, but the evidence of another Carol in SHIELD while Ms Marvel was on Monster Island WITH Sum makes it difficult, unless it's a pair of Skrulls.

It's also pretty odd that he automatically assumes (or acts like he does) that the Carol from Monster Isle was the fake.

Unless Stark turns out to be a Skrull in the end I can't imagine he'd not see through some of this, he comes off like a jerk a lot, but he's a smart guy and isn't really villainous in any way, just a bit too full of himself. And I adore Carol, but unless she went Binary IM's a bit out of her league.

Yeah, I wish Stark had clarrified exactly why he knows which Carol was the fake. How could he know? Why is he so sure? I'm wondering whether that's a bit of weak writing, or if we should be suspicious over that.

[mikekerr3]

Besides (and here I will give a bit of credit to Tony though I don't usually like to) the Thunderbolts are not under SHIELD command and are just as likely to kill Carol for the fun of it. Killing a skrull that Tony would want to question in the first place or killing the head of the Avengers in the second, neither of which will help any. Also if word got out that Tony handpicked a skrull to lead the Avengers his prestige will take a pretty big hit, as will the official Avengers as the public and the government begin to wonder who else on the team is a skrull.

Mark_S

If she goes Binary or is a Skrull with the ability to use binaries powers, the Thunderbolts would not last a page.

[mikekerr3]

they already fought Nova.

He was acting responsible at the time, do you think that someone who could take out hundreds of Kree Senties in seconds could not have killed them in seconds, I think Stark saved them. Nova is in the Comsic big leagues now none of the current Avengers/Initiative/Thunderbolts would stand a chance. Carol as Binary might stand a chance.

Also he now has more combat ecperience than anyone but Wolverine, Fury or Bucky.

[Monty_Cristo]

He was acting responsible at the time, do you think that someone who could take out hundreds of Kree Senties in seconds could not have killed them in seconds, I think Stark saved them. Nova is in the Comsic big leagues now none of the current Avengers/Initiative/Thunderbolts would stand a chance. Carol as Binary might stand a chance.

Also he now has more combat ecperience than anyone but Wolverine, Fury or Bucky.

why would a "hero" kill anyone?

Yeah, I wish Stark had clarrified exactly why he knows which Carol was the fake. How could he know? Why is he so sure? I'm wondering whether that's a bit of weak writing, or if we should be suspicious over that.

seems pretty obvious that he's using this bit of disinformation to draw the real skrull out. Tony's never that casual with strangers.

[Elerem]

why would a "hero" kill anyone?

could and would, different things


he could because hes that much more powerful then them, he didnt cus unlike the thunderbolts he needs a valid reason

[CyberCoyote]

why would a "hero" kill anyone?

They don't. They create clones of other heroes to kill each other.:eek: It's ok, they say 'DOH!' afterwards.

seems pretty obvious that he's using this bit of disinformation to draw the real skrull out. Tony's never that casual with strangers.

He's worked with the guy for a while, but I agree Sum's up to Sumtin. Tony's gotta have a lot more info to work with than we're seeing here.

[mikekerr3]

why would a "hero" kill anyone?



seems pretty obvious that he's using this bit of disinformation to draw the real skrull out. Tony's never that casual with strangers.


A man just returned from a war worse than any ever seen on earth, fresh out of combat when he is attacked without provocation by a gang of people he knows to be villians might just squash the like flies. He has got to have at least a little PTSD after the nightmare he has been through. Only Wolverine has seen the kind of combat that is even remotely like whhat Nova has and that in WWI

[dabig2]

Bringing this back on topic a little....she loves Simon like "a brother?" Oh how awkward this relationship has now become. (considering Mighty Avengers portrayal)...

[XPac]

Bringing this back on topic a little....she loves Simon like "a brother?" Oh how awkward this relationship has now become. (considering Mighty Avengers portrayal)...

After that whole thing with Marcus, I'm not at all suprised if Carol doesn't have all sorts of twisted family concepts.