Who Do You Blame Most for the Poor Feedback of "X-Men: The Last Stand"

[TMC1982]

*Brett Ratner - The director

*Bryan Singer - The director of the first two, who went off to make "Superman Returns"

*Matthew Vaughn - Who was supposed to direct after Singer left and Ratner came in at virtually the last minute

*20th Century Fox - For rushing the production

*The screenwriters - "I'm the Juggernaut bitch!!!" and coming up with the ideas of killing off major characters and seemingly drastically altering the motivations/characteristics of others, and being seemingly half baked in handling story-arcs left over from the last film

*The actors - Halle Berry for example, who raised a hissyfit over not having enough screen time in the previous two. Also, James Marsden and Rebecca Romjin for having other committments that became a severe detriment to their screen time in "X-Men 3"

*Other

[That JonoGuy]

I for one blame the people who gave such poor feedback. They could just as easily have gone with positive feedback. :D

[Optic Rage!]

All of the above.

[Weapon Ick]

All of the above.

I'm gonna have to agree with this.

[Toboe]

All of the above.

He has spoken.

[Slung]

I for one blame the people who gave such poor feedback. They could just as easily have gone with positive feedback. :D

Yes, but that would have been irresponsible to the well-being of the world at large.

[Joe Acro]

I blame the writers. It is largely the story I had a problem with.

[CyberHubbs]

I blame the Trilogy Curse. There was just too much expectation.

It needed a bigger FX budget, too.

[Callisto]

i thought x-men the last stand did well?

[Slung]

i thought x-men the last stand did well?

As an monetary investment? Yes.

As an artistic endeavor? It failed in every way possible.

[DeadXMan]

I blame Canada.

[Callisto]

As an monetary investment? Yes.

As an artistic endeavor? It failed in every way possible.

artistic endeavor? BWHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAAHHA do you think the money hungry cows at fox and the people who helped in making the last stand care about wheter geeky nerds would be pleased with the artistic endeavor of the last stand?all they care about is getting the film to make big bucks which it DID! not if it stimulated the brain of some 14 year old fan boy.

[DeniseXfrost]

I blame Jean grey :D

[La Fea]

As an monetary investment? Yes.

As an artistic endeavor? It failed in every way possible.

How about as a standard superhero flick?

I'd say average.

[DeniseXfrost]

^I agree.

I blame mostly the writers really. I thought the movie was really short.

[Optic Rage!]

How about as a standard superhero flick?

I'd say average.

Below.

The writers were HACKS!

Anybody post over at the X-Verse before the movie was realised? The two writers did a Q& A section, they basically lied about stuff that was in the movies and mislead everyone.

Cant remember their names...

[Brian M.]

Oh I blame Ratner. It's such a shit film. Bad. Really, really bad. Corny shots and dialogue...worse than Storm's toad line.

But the writers aren't w/o their share either.

Why do the Phoenix storyline if you can't do it right? If Marsden wasn't gonna be avaible, do another story. You didn't HAVE to resurrect Jean. So many other damn stories would have been better. You could have stayed w/ the "hate and fear us" theme and done the Mutant Massarce. Operation Zero: Tolerance would have been interesting if you tweaked it a bit...no Bastion.

It was crap. Crap.

[Novaya Havoc]

The movie failed for two reasons, and two reasons alone:

1. Ohmayra

2. Chris Claremont's cameo

[Kage Kisaragi]

Last stand was the 3rd movie? I thought that one was pretty good, it's the first two I didn't care for.

[Nevets F]

I loved it....and it was a huge success. Fan boys hate everything though.

[Mr. Earl Brooks]

I don't know how anyone can blame Brett Ratner. He's absolutely fantastic director. I mean, have you seen the Rush Hour movies? Incredible. Simply incredible.

[IronStarks]

ehhh thought it was average, wish they did the Phenoix storyline better though

[Optic Rage!]

Last stand was the 3rd movie? I thought that one was pretty good, it's the first two I didn't care for.

How are things going in backwords land?

I loved it....and it was a huge success. Fan boys hate everything though.

Explain then why the first two X-Men and Spider-Man films were very well received? You dont think it might have something had something to do with the fact that critically X3 failed and was genrealy given bad reviews?

Your point fails more then Britney Spears looking after her kids.

I don't know how anyone can blame Brett Ratner. He's absolutely fantastic director. I mean, have you seen the Rush Hour movies? Incredible. Simply incredible.

The first two were good, the third was horrible.

The popularity of those movies is completly down to the actors, nobody gives a shit about the director.

[Mr. Earl Brooks]

By the way, am I the only who hates Hugh Jackman's portrayal of Wolverine? He seems to "cool" or whatever. I normally hear his voice in the comics as some what of a red neck. Canadian style of course.

[IronStarks]

By the way, am I the only who hates Hugh Jackman's portrayal of Wolverine? He seems to "cool" or whatever. I normally hear his voice in the comics as some what of a red neck. Canadian style of course.

he was way to tall too

[Optic Rage!]

Oh I blame Ratner. It's such a shit film. Bad. Really, really bad. Corny shots and dialogue...worse than Storm's toad line.

But the writers aren't w/o their share either.

Why do the Phoenix storyline if you can't do it right? If Marsden wasn't gonna be avaible, do another story. You didn't HAVE to resurrect Jean. So many other damn stories would have been better. You could have stayed w/ the "hate and fear us" theme and done the Mutant Massarce. Operation Zero: Tolerance would have been interesting if you tweaked it a bit...no Bastion.

It was crap. Crap.

Tell me about it, i actully left the movie FUMING at how BAD it was, i havent seen it since and i dont plan to ever watch it again.

I still have my review i think, its pretty fucking angry.

As for the blame? fuck, have you got all day?

[Butters]

Oh I blame Ratner. It's such a shit film. Bad. Really, really bad. Corny shots and dialogue...worse than Storm's toad line.

But the writers aren't w/o their share either.

Why do the Phoenix storyline if you can't do it right? If Marsden wasn't gonna be avaible, do another story. You didn't HAVE to resurrect Jean. So many other damn stories would have been better. You could have stayed w/ the "hate and fear us" theme and done the Mutant Massarce. Operation Zero: Tolerance would have been interesting if you tweaked it a bit...no Bastion.

It was crap. Crap.

I agree completely. Or maybe they could have just stuck with the whole "mutant cure" thing, and instead of adding in the Phoenix side story, fleshed out the other characters.

[Tobias March]

I would pin the blame squarely on Fox itself. I think Vaughan saw what was coming and got out in time. Their response, making cracks about how he didn't realize how far LA was from London, was extremely unprofessional and bitchy.

[Affinity]

The movie failed for two reasons, and two reasons alone:

1. Ohmayra

2. Chris Claremont's cameo

Are you kidding me?

Ohmayra Mota is the coolest model in the WORLD. Ask Nyssie! She's hot as hell and a total freak, lol, totally NOT your Lily Cole fairy-esque model!

I'm pretty sure she's one of my favorite castings ever.

[Luck911]

I blame the Trilogy Curse. There was just too much expectation.

It needed a bigger FX budget, too.

X3 had a bigger FX budget than First two movies



Last stand was the 3rd movie? I thought that one was pretty good, it's the first two I didn't care for.

Please tell me you are joking.The Juggernaut is a mutant,The Phoenix is Jean powers out of control,Just the sheer disregard for the comic book story.I understand why people can enjoy the it is good action movie but as X-fan comic book reader it was pure trash.I can't lie i watch X-3 all the time it has great visuals and i love the x-men but every single time i watch the movie i think it is such a bad movie.

It is a one two punch of ratner bad directing and terrible writing that made X-3 mediocre movie. X-men and Spiderman have great stories that only need to be tweak a little to be put in movies but then movies suffer from sequelitis where writers ignore the story to force in new characters or cool stuff and butcher the story,sequalitis killed the Batman franchise.Hollywood has little respect for comic books,they realize can make money from the large built in audience ,but after the first movie makes money they just see green and they don't respect the comic medium enough to stay true to it.

[Brian M.]

I loved it....and it was a huge success. Fan boys hate everything though.

Yea that's a good way to prove your point. Insult people who actually have legit complaints.

But I wouldn't expect anything intelligent coming from you anyway.

[La Fea]

Below.

The writers were HACKS!

Anybody post over at the X-Verse before the movie was realised? The two writers did a Q& A section, they basically lied about stuff that was in the movies and mislead everyone.

Cant remember their names...

Eh, I didn't think the first two were that well written either; it was basically a bunch of corny one-liners that I sorta thought were funny because I was like 13 when it came out.

The only reason I really liked any of them is because I fangasmed at seeing them on screen. And the opening credits! Those were always the most intense part of the movie. No lie.

Yea that's a good way to prove your point. Insult people who actually have legit complaints.

But I wouldn't expect anything intelligent coming from you anyway.

LOL? New X-Men fans?

[Omega Alpha]

artistic endeavor? BWHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAAHHA do you think the money hungry cows at fox and the people who helped in making the last stand care about wheter geeky nerds would be pleased with the artistic endeavor of the last stand?all they care about is getting the film to make big bucks which it DID! not if it stimulated the brain of some 14 year old fan boy.

Because of the poor reception, the movie made, proportionally, much less money than the other 2 (the first one costed 75 million and made 150 in the U.S. alone. The second made 234 million in the US, but costed around 210, and that without counting publicity costs). So, yeah, they care. That's why even rumors about a fourth movie (which won't happen) exclude any chance of Ratner being a part of it.

I would pin the blame squarely on Fox itself. I think Vaughan saw what was coming and got out in time. Their response, making cracks about how he didn't realize how far LA was from London, was extremely unprofessional and bitchy.

And how about when Singer left? They literally threw him in the parking lot and told him to get the f*ck out of there and said they would never work with him again.

The very next day, he returned because they were filming an episode of House.

[Brian M.]

Eh, I didn't think the first two were that well written either; it was basically a bunch of corny one-liners that I sorta thought were funny because I was like 13 when it came out.

The only reason I really liked any of them is because I fangasmed at seeing them on screen. And the opening credits! Those were always the most intense part of the movie. No lie.



LOL? New X-Men fans?

They have no legit complaints. 2 months w/o seeing the characters is not a travesty.

[Luck911]

Eh, I didn't think the first two were that well written either; it was basically a bunch of corny one-liners that I sorta thought were funny because I was like 13 when it came out.



That may be true,but the first two movie where actually close based on the comics,The third movie was like somebody pick the piece of the comics they like threw it together an called it movie.The third movie was a decent action summer movie but it was insult to comic book fans

[DeadXMan]

were the movie failed is they didn't have Juggy and colossus fight each other.

the best time would of been at Jean's house were one of them get thrown in to a nearby Pub. Then we would the Infamous bar fight, and Juggy Chugging a Keg.

[Butters]

That may be true,but the first two movie where actually close based on the comics,The third movie was like somebody pick the piece of the comics they like threw it together an called it movie.The third movie was a decent action summer movie but it was insult to comic book fans

Actually, I felt it was insulting because as a movie, it simply was much worse than the previous two.

As far as the comics go, things like "Juggernaut is a mutant" did not bother me that much. And the DPS would work just fine without cosmic stuff. But without Cyclops? Forget about it.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

As flicks, I found the first ok, the second good-ish and the third one awful.

Can't really say the writing was great in any of the flicks. I mean, the trilogy can be summed up to a baddie wielding some freakin machine. Cause Dark Phoenix soooo qualifies as that and not much more in X-3. Come to think of it, the best parts of the trilogy were when the baddies walked around being cool and stealing scenes, eh.

As adaptations, they sucked hard from the start.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

How about as a standard superhero flick?

I'd say average.

That's not saying much.

Last good superhero flicks were Spidey2 and Batman Begins. :eek:

Hollywood's had an awful streak with bad superhero flicks over the past 2 1/2 years. Here's hoping Iron Man and the new Bats will reverse the trend, eh.

P.S. Okay, Supes wasn't BAD. It just was boring. And f****n creepy with the whole stalking angle. Yikes.

[Phil Hunn]

I blame the screenwriters for stuffing too many cameos into a film that was already suffering under the weight of two concurrent plotlines, neither of which was given sufficient space to flourish. It was a clumsy, hamfisted exercise in how not to write a superhero movie - lessons which Sam Raimi could have done well to learn before he filmed his third Spider-film...

he was way to tall too

It's the movies, it's allowed to be a little different. Besides, if you're the best man for the part, then differences like height variations are fairly irrelevant.

For example, I still maintain that Michael Clarke Duncan made a good Kingpin.

As far as the comics go, things like "Juggernaut is a mutant" did not bother me that much. And the DPS would work just fine without cosmic stuff. But without Cyclops? Forget about it.

Exactly. They ripped out the heart of the movie when they killed Cyclops. James Marsden's portrayal of an unshaven, clinically depressed and grieving Scott Summers was far more effective than Wolverine's emo blubbering at the end when he has to kill Jean.

[DeadXMan]

For example, I still maintain that Michael Clarke Duncan made a good Kingpin.


Oh hell yeah, especially in the Director's Cut

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Exactly. They ripped out the heart of the movie when they killed Cyclops. James Marsden's portrayal of an unshaven, clinically depressed and grieving Scott Summers was far more effective than Wolverine's emo blubbering at the end when he has to kill Jean.

Hungh.

Don't get me started on that f****n 'Not for them. For you.' line.

Anyone liking this scene or thinking it made any sense has no business claiming they 'get' Wolvie on any whatsoever relevant level.

I blame the main lady producer for that. Don't remember her name and can't be bothered to look it up.


For example, I still maintain that Michael Clarke Duncan made a good Kingpin.


Indeed he did.

[Tobias March]

And how about when Singer left? They literally threw him in the parking lot and told him to get the f*ck out of there and said they would never work with him again.

The very next day, he returned because they were filming an episode of House.

Never heard that, crazy. We need another William Goldman/Kenneth Anger/Julia Philips or that guy who wrote Easy Riders, Raging Bulls to do another tell all book about 21st century box office monsters.

[Slung]

As a Jean fan, Last Stand was apalling. She was reduced to a rabid dog that Logan, the man, had to put down to save the world. They missed the ENTIRE point of the Dark Phoenix Saga (Jean chose to die a human instead of live a god) and never even had her struggling with her dark personality (I thought for sure that scene where she sees the family trapped in the car, she was going to help them - at least give her a sense of humanity). It sucked HUGE balls. It was a travesty.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

As a Jean fan, Last Stand was apalling. She was reduced to a rabid dog that Logan, the man, had to put down to save the world. They missed the ENTIRE point of the Dark Phoenix Saga (Jean chose to die a human instead of live a god) and never even had her struggling with her dark personality (I thought for sure that scene where she sees the family trapped in the car, she was going to help them - at least give her a sense of humanity). It sucked HUGE balls. It was a travesty.

I'll venture a wild guess that you're no big fan of CC's portrayal/lost storyline about Jean and Logan being an OTP, eh? :D

[Adam C]

[QUOTE=TMC1982;6554061
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Well speaking as someone who had none of the typical objections fans had about the film, I have to say that it had one of the most poorly structured and poorly handled stories in any film I had ever seen. Never mind fidelity to the comics, it failed even in the terms it set out for itself. Thing is I'm not sure whether it was due to poor script writing or the rushed production that I heard the movie was forced into in order to get out ahead of Singer's Superman movie.

[Slung]

I'll venture a wild guess that you're no big fan of CC's portrayal/lost storyline about Jean and Logan being an OTP, eh? :D

Actually, I would have been just fine with that. I don't mind changes of scene for Jean. I just don't like "Jean's a mindless animal, lets kill her" sort of things.

[Butters]

As a Jean fan, Last Stand was apalling. She was reduced to a rabid dog that Logan, the man, had to put down to save the world. They missed the ENTIRE point of the Dark Phoenix Saga (Jean chose to die a human instead of live a god) and never even had her struggling with her dark personality (I thought for sure that scene where she sees the family trapped in the car, she was going to help them - at least give her a sense of humanity). It sucked HUGE balls. It was a travesty.

How could you have thought that she would help them? In the DPS, she couldn't bring herself to kill the X-men or her parents because her love for them was too strong. In the movie, she kills CYCLOPS immediately.

[Slung]

How could you have thought that she would help them? In the DPS, she couldn't bring herself to kill the X-men or her parents because her love for them was too strong. In the movie, she kills CYCLOPS immediately.

Yeah, it was TERRIBLE. But I still kept waiting for SOME kind of redeeming humanizing effort by the writers. I kept telling myself
"they wouldn't bring her back as some zombie and keep her that way the whole time, were they?" And then they did. Gah. It was terrible.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Actually, I would have been just fine with that. I don't mind changes of scene for Jean. I just don't like "Jean's a mindless animal, lets kill her" sort of things.

...WTF??? You did read The End or hear about the Dark Wolverine Saga, right? :eek:

How the hell could a Jean fan *want* any of this, lol? She's basically a mindless lovesick gal waiting for the love of a man to make her whole or something. Yikes.

You know all the jokes about Cyke being codependent? This is about 10 times worse.

[Butters]

Yeah, it was TERRIBLE. But I still kept waiting for SOME kind of redeeming humanizing effort by the writers. I kept telling myself
"they wouldn't bring her back as some zombie and keep her that way the whole time, were they?" And then they did. Gah. It was terrible.

Personally, I was waiting for Cyclops to come back. They didn't show him get killed, and Jean wouldn't say exactly what happened, so I figured "OK, he will show up later in the film. There is no way they would do the DPS without Cyclops." Then an hour passed, and I realized "holy crap, they are doing the DPS without Cyclops."

As for Jean, I actually liked the "SCOTT!!! *faints*" version of her character more than the zombie version in X3.

[Brett P]

omg lol I just watched all 3 X moves for the first time in ages last week! It took me that long to get over the heart wrenching dissapointment of the Last Stand.

Man I feverishly followed it through production, leaping upon every new pic/morsel of info. So stupid, by the time it came out I knew everything that happened. And I still cried at Xaviers funeral. In a packed cinema. Embaressing. It was partly cos it was sad and partly cos at this point I was totally underwhelmed by the film - my whole life was about this film for over a year and it was just a smack in the face! Terribly obsessive.

Anyway, I blame Ratner and his "I don't have the attention span for long films" mentality. I'm ashamed to share his name. Two plots as big as the cure and Phoenix and that many characters needed atleast as long as X2.

Of course there is plenty of blame to go around. When you watch the first film and who it focuses on - to see Cyke, Xavier and Jean dead by the end of Last Stand (and psycho killer to boot for the latter) and Rogue "cured" with about 5 mins screen time the whole movie, you can only ask "WHY?!"

Colossus was an absolute ABOMINATION.

Such a waste.

[spinny0617]

Blame Avi Arad, it's mostly his fault.

I was obsessed with it before it came out (much like Brett P above me) and knowing the story line, I haven't even seen it. I own the DVD but I can't force myself to watch it.

But it was Arad that forced the Cure storyline down everyone's throat. He was always saying that DPS alone was not enough for one movie: "The people want more!" Much like how he forced Venom down Raimi's throat: "The people want Venom! You have to give them Venom!"

The result: Two movies that are too cramped with potentially good stories and as a result none of the stories really get time to breathe.

Oh, and he was also to blame for killing off Cyclops. Because what do the people want? You guessed it: Wolverine. Can't have Cyke being the star of the film like Singer wanted. That's the reason he left, they wouldn't let him make the film he wanted to make. That's why Vaughn left too.

Of course the writers were terrible as well. I remember Ratner saying every shot of the film was straight out of the comics. Every scene had it's counterpart in the books. The writers were sooooo good that everything they did was straight out of the books! Yeah well, show me the comic where Rogue cures herself then... (what a great message to send young girls btw: "Yes girls! You DO have to change yourself if you want to keep your boyfriend!")

X1 and 2 proved that you don't need the entire movie to be based on comic scenes, just the final big moments. X1 of course being Uncanny #173 with Sabretooth replacing the Silver Samurai and Magneto's machine being Viper's ray gun thingy. And X2 has the classic Jean -> Phoenix transformation with the cosmic radiation being replaced with the dam break.

Fox is of course also to blame for wanting the movie released so quickly. "Why wait for all the actors to have time, just shoot the damn thing! We'll put in some new characters to fill the void left by the others." Great thinking there, why focus the final movie of the trilogy on the 4,5 X-Men you started with when you can have a scene with Madrox or any other mutant you can think of.

[Mr. Earl Brooks]

Colossus was actually better in X-Men United than he was in Last Stand, and he only had ten seconds of screen time int that one. He may have had more lines too.

[Brett P]

Blame Avi Arad, it's mostly his fault.

I was obsessed with it before it came out (much like Brett P above me) and knowing the story line, I haven't even seen it. I own the DVD but I can't force myself to watch it...<snip>

Oh spinny you've got it spot on and I'm even starting to feel that fury I felt at the time!!

But having it on DVD and not even having watched it is a little crazy! Watch it! TONIGHT! You need to judge the horror for yourself! I saw it twice in the cinema and kind of made my peace with it 2nd time around, that's not to say I LIKE it now but...there ARE some good bits. The couple of scenes with Mystique, (before she's you know, cured...), Magnetos power displays, the Kitty/Juggernaut chase ("Juggernaut bitch" line excluded)...

FORCE YOURSELF TO WATCH IT! And then come back with your opinion, I'm really intrigued to see what you think!

[spinny0617]

Oh spinny you've got it spot on and I'm even starting to feel that fury I felt at the time!!

But having it on DVD and not even having watched it is a little crazy! Watch it! TONIGHT! You need to judge the horror for yourself! I saw it twice in the cinema and kind of made my peace with it 2nd time around, that's not to say I LIKE it now but...there ARE some good bits. The couple of scenes with Mystique, (before she's you know, cured...), Magnetos power displays, the Kitty/Juggernaut "chase" ("Juggernaut bitch" line excluded)...

FORCE YOURSELF TO WATCH IT! And then come back with your opinion, I'm really intrigued to see what you think!

Well I can't tonight, I have plans... but I may watch it this easter, got plenty of time anyway. But if I end up being depressed/enraged for a few days then it's your fault. ;)

Dammit, I still don't wanna see it... but I know I should. At least once. I just wasted so much time on it...

[Brett P]

I can't actually believe you didn't go see it at the cinema to judge for yourself if you spent so much time on it, letalone STILL not having seen it!

I mean, I went with the foolish hope that it WOULD actually be decent, but to not have seen it at all, what, nearly 2 years on?!

Well, I'm fully open to being your emotional punching bag if it does indeed send you spiralling into depression lol but since you're prepared for what's coming and with the amount of time that's passed, it may not be so bad. Oh and the opening scene for Angel is pretty well done. So yes, watch it over easter! Man, I have no time off over easter at all....

It'd be hilarious if you saw it and ended up loving, or atleast liking it haha

[Pach!]

I blame the writers. It's always their fault anyways. *is trying to bait kalen*

[Kalen O.]

I blame the writers. It's always their fault anyways. *is trying to bait kalen*

HAH! Nice try! I see your chiffon!

[RickyD410]

The third X-Men movie is my favorite of the whole bunch. People just love to complain. Sure, it wasnt Dark Phoenix Saga in movie form, but it wasnt called X-Men: Dark Phoenix Saga. It was called X-Men: The Last Stand. It wasnt a comic book, it was a movie. And it was a good movie.

[spinny0617]

I hated it that much.

The reason I'm even here or reading the comics was X1 and then having my 2 favourite characters from the movie butchered (one cured, one a blubbering idiot) well... I was a tad miffed about that.

But I'm still (foolishly?) hoping the Wolverine movie will be good.

[Nyssane]

I was hoping for a long Kalen post. I'm going through withdrawals!

[Pach!]

I was hoping for a long Kalen post. I'm going through withdrawals!

I know!

He's so effin lazy lately.

[Kalen O.]

I know!

He's so effin lazy lately.

Hah!

He says while simultaneously working on two screenplays, three novels, a television pilot and about four different comic book projects.

(And that's just in my 'writing' job. I'm still a graphic/web designer, too.)

Haterz.

[Brett P]

The third X-Men movie is my favorite of the whole bunch. People just love to complain. Sure, it wasnt Dark Phoenix Saga in movie form, but it wasnt called X-Men: Dark Phoenix Saga. It was called X-Men: The Last Stand. It wasnt a comic book, it was a movie. And it was a good movie.

Rickster, puh-lease! It's nothing to do with how faithful it is to to comics, but how it butchered what came before in the 2 films before it! It was nowhere near long enough, the plot and characters had no room to breathe, there were terrible omissions, Colossus looked like shit and there was so much wasted opportunity! Colossus and Kitty not even being introduced? Rogues 5 minutes of screen time? A movie about Jean where Cyke is killed? OFF PANEL? BY HER?!.

I hated it that much.

The reason I'm even here or reading the comics was X1 and then having my 2 favourite characters from the movie butchered (one cured, one a blubbering idiot) well... I was a tad miffed about that.

But I'm still (foolishly?) hoping the Wolverine movie will be good.

Heh, one things for sure, I'm staying the hell away from spoilers for this one! I'm looking forward to seeing Gambit most.

[La Fea]

That may be true,but the first two movie where actually close based on the comics,The third movie was like somebody pick the piece of the comics they like threw it together an called it movie.The third movie was a decent action summer movie but it was insult to comic book fans

What were you really expecting though? It wasn't supposed to be some direct translation of the comic books onto the big screen. From the very beginning, it seemed like a practice of modernization, experimentation, and adding Easter Eggs for us comic book fans.

Let's be real here, things like Callisto's power to wear and eye patch and be pasty and fug just wouldn't have worked.

That's not saying much.

Last good superhero flicks were Spidey2 and Batman Begins. :eek:

Hollywood's had an awful streak with bad superhero flicks over the past 2 1/2 years. Here's hoping Iron Man and the new Bats will reverse the trend, eh.

P.S. Okay, Supes wasn't BAD. It just was boring. And f****n creepy with the whole stalking angle. Yikes.

Oh, I thought Superman Returns was waaay worse. Or worst. Whichever.

I thought it was baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. Bloringblahwth masterpiece.

[Phil Hunn]

Hungh.

Don't get me started on that f****n 'Not for them. For you.' line.

Anyone liking this scene or thinking it made any sense has no business claiming they 'get' Wolvie on any whatsoever relevant level.

Painfully true, this. They tried to reinvent him as this great romantic hero when that's precisely what he shouldn't be. Ever.

As a Jean fan, Last Stand was apalling. She was reduced to a rabid dog that Logan, the man, had to put down to save the world. They missed the ENTIRE point of the Dark Phoenix Saga

Indeed. There was no conflict within Jean - and the idea that the Jean we'd got to know over the course of the past two movies was just a fabrication constructed by the Professor to keep the Dark Phoenix (the "real Jean") in check was hopelessly bad. And it completely ignored the set-up that Singer had left in his two movies: in the first movie, when the wave effect from Magneto's machine passes over the X-Men, Jean is the only one even slightly affected. And the effect it's had on her is touched upon in the sequel. Had the screen-writers got a memory of more than three seconds, they'd have realised this and built on it, instead of turning Jean into a fake.


But it was Arad that forced the Cure storyline down everyone's throat. He was always saying that DPS alone was not enough for one movie: "The people want more!" Much like how he forced Venom down Raimi's throat: "The people want Venom! You have to give them Venom!"

Ugh, don't remind me. Venom got, what, ten minutes of screen time when he could have had an entire movie to himself. Thanks, Avi :(

Oh, and he was also to blame for killing off Cyclops. Because what do the people want? You guessed it: Wolverine. Can't have Cyke being the star of the film like Singer wanted. That's the reason he left, they wouldn't let him make the film he wanted to make. That's why Vaughn left too.

Avi Arad really strikes me as the sort of guy who would kill a goose that laid golden eggs.

Colossus was actually better in X-Men United than he was in Last Stand, and he only had ten seconds of screen time int that one. He may have had more lines too.

But hey, FASTBALL SPECIAL! Wolverine flew through the air! Everyone wants to see the fastball special! :rolleyes:

[Brett P]

I can't wait until Optic Rage! gets to this thread...xD


But hey, FASTBALL SPECIAL! Wolverine flew through the air! Everyone wants to see the fastball special! :rolleyes:

Ugh and it looked so horrible! The whole point of the Fastball Special is the javelin-type throw, but since movie Wolverine is the tall strapping Hollywood hero...round and round we goooo! :p

And yeah, Colossus looked amazing in X2 and he did indeed have more lines in X2. In The Last Stand, his only line was telling Bobby that Rogue took off (whilst carrying a huge tv (in human form) for cheap comedy effect...) SO BAD!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Painfully true, this. They tried to reinvent him as this great romantic hero when that's precisely what he shouldn't be. Ever.

On a totally unrelated note, I freakin HATE Jean/Logan. Even moreso than Jean/Scott and that's saying something.

Okay, so maybe it wasn't totally unrelated, lol. :D

[HellFrost]

I think the reason Peter and Kitty weren't introduced was because of the fact that the Movieverse is mostly correlated to the Ultimate universe. I believe Peter is supposed to be gay, or at least will be in the next movie.

Here's hopin' they put Miss Frosty in the next one! *crosses fingers* I just hope they don't make her like her Ultimate counterpart... that would be Fail!

[Flinkman]

i loved X-Men 3 & i'm prepared to not defend this statement.

[Brett P]

I think the reason Peter and Kitty weren't introduced was because of the fact that the Movieverse is mostly correlated to the Ultimate universe. I believe Peter is supposed to be gay, or at least will be in the next movie.


Oh, no when I said they weren't even introduced, I meant to the audience lol

They were just randomly there in the Danger Room session when neither character had been introduced by name in the previous films (well, Xavier adressed Kitty in the first but that was a split second scene with a girl who looked nothing like her). I heard some girl in the cinema say "is that a new one?" When Kitty was with Bobby in the DR.

Would it have been so hard to have Storm adress them over a comm link with a brief mission instruction? When their names were used, they weren't even said clearly. I'd be willing to bet that the average movie goer left the cinema not even knowing Kitty's name and thinking Pete's codename was "Tin Man"...:rolleyes:

And the introduction of their powers wasn't as clear as it could have been, both using their powers on others (Pete on Rogue and Kitty on Bobby). I would have liked to see some invulnerability and strength from Pete, taking a missile hit and chucking a car or something, and Kitty running through obstacles so people who saw X2 would make the connection that it was the girl who could run through walls before the middle of the movie...

I would have liked a second Danger Room scene with Kitty phasing her and Bobby and Pete in for an unauthorised session...something to set them up for the final battle more.

[Novaya Havoc]

Why I Disliked X3
An Essay by Novaya Havoc

I disliked X3. For one, there were too many cameos! And even with all of these cameos, that Dazzler cameo that was promised was CUT! This made the cameos worthless.

Too many characters were shoved into the movie. I do not care about JUNO! And I do not care about Colossus. Colossus was cool as a background nerdy easter egg in X2. In X3 he was wallpaper and it annoyed me.

Why was Angel in this movie, again?

And they killed Shoreh Ashdagloo. Racists.

Also, Halle Berry had too much to do in this film. I do not like Halle Berry as Storm. More Halle Berry meant less Anna Paquin, and she disappeared for a good 60 minutes of the film.

Angel also should not have been in this movie, nor should he have been played by Ben Foster.

I still maintain that the Chris Claremont cameo in the beginning just set the movie up for failure.

In conclusion, I did not like X3.


But srsly, there were waaaay too many characters thrown in. IMO, the whole "Fanboys will complain about ANYTHING" argument doesn't hold water. It wasn't that X3 wasn't "true" to the source material -- it was that it tried to shoehorn in all of these "cool fan favorite!" elements that clogged up the movie and made it clunky.

I mean, I hate Lady Deathstrike in all forms, but she was the bomb baby in X2. That's how you make characters work. Not with fastball specials, forcing the O5 together, having the Phoenix, the "mutant cure," Callisto, Morlocks, Juggernaut, and RANDOMPSYLOCKECAMEO into the mix.

But I still maintain they should have left the cameo of Dazzler singing at Xavier's funeral.

The end.

[Emperor Time]

My problem is that they cure Rogue instead of giving her a important role like in the first two X-Men movies. :(

[CyberHubbs]

Did the Dazzler scene ever get filmed, or not make it that far? A deleted scene somewhere?

The whole movie just felt too polished, like T3. There was no grit. The well-fed actors were going through the motions. Though, Kelsey Grammer as the Beast? Hell, yeah.

Mutant Massacre would've been an awesome angle to tie into the Dark Phoenix Saga. Then you can replace Mr. Sinister with humans and still have Magneto be like, "See, Charles? I TOLD YOU!"

[Pro]

Good stuff:

Kelsey Grammar as Beast.
Ellen Page as Kitty Pryde.
Telekinetic rage.
Mystique in human form.
Storm flying.
Young Charles and Eric.
Charles death scene.
Charles waking up in his new body and saying hi to Moira.
Using the Golden Gate Bridge creatively.

Bad:
Most other stuff. It was pretty clear the story had gone through revision after revision, each session chipping away at what was originally probably a half decent story. Scott should have been center stage in a Phoenix story.
Jean should have chosen to die to avoid more destruction instead of being put down like a rabid dog. The sentinel should have been a bloody sentinel and not just a head FFS. And so many characters given a cameo role but then altered beyond recognision other than by name only to been killed off.
Strangely though I've seen X3 more times than the other ones for some reason ..

[TMC1982]

AICN EXCLUSIVE! X3 Script Review (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=20443)! Plus An Open Letter To Tom Rothman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0745257/) And Fox Stockholders!!

We can also lay at least partial blame on Mr. Rothman over the overall failure of the Fantastic Four film franchise (presuming the rumors that a third one is unlikely to be made is true). But, that's another story for another time.:p

[Phil Hunn]

Ugh and it looked so horrible! The whole point of the Fastball Special is the javelin-type throw, but since movie Wolverine is the tall strapping Hollywood hero...round and round we goooo! :p

Well, to be fair, that really was the only way they could do it, but if that's the only way they could do it... they shouldn't have bothered. It made it look like Wolverine was about five and Colossus was his daddy giving him a swing around in the garden at the weekend, or something.

On a totally unrelated note, I freakin HATE Jean/Logan. Even moreso than Jean/Scott and that's saying something.

Okay, so maybe it wasn't totally unrelated, lol. :D

I still don't get the appeal of Jean/Logan - I mean, Logan's women tend to end up deader than disco, so his whole "tormented loner/fallen samurai" thing can be preserved. So why would anybody want Jean to join that list?

Nowadays I'd prefer Jean to get together with Nick Fury. I mean, she's already proven she has a thing for older men who smoke cigars, so why not? ;)

I think the reason Peter and Kitty weren't introduced was because of the fact that the Movieverse is mostly correlated to the Ultimate universe. I believe Peter is supposed to be gay, or at least will be in the next movie.

Ultimate Peter is gay, yes. But I suspect the real reason that Kitty/Peter wasn't introduced was because it would detract from the "timeless love story" of Jean/Logan :rolleyes:

Here's hopin' they put Miss Frosty in the next one! *crosses fingers* I just hope they don't make her like her Ultimate counterpart... that would be Fail!

You know, there was a girl on the most recent WWE Diva Search who would make a perfect Frank Quitely-style Emma - she even had the thigh-high white-leather boots, straight blonde hair, tiny white leather bra, and skimpy leather undies. The resemblance was almost - to coin a phrase - uncanny.

Pity she had an awful voice, though...

[Brett P]

Why I Disliked X3
An Essay by Novaya Havoc

I disliked X3. For one, there were too many cameos! And even with all of these cameos, that Dazzler cameo that was promised was CUT! This made the cameos worthless.

There were bar scenes in X1 and 2 that I could see that cameo working in but where would it have gone in X3? (aside from X's funeral :p)

Too many characters were shoved into the movie. I do not care about JUNO!

Haha, I had to see Juno 'cos Jumper had already started and I was really annoyed but I ended up loving Juno. I love Kitty. Ellen as Kitty didn't really work that great for me, but it could have been alot worse. She's cute as a button though!

And I do not care about Colossus. Colossus was cool as a background nerdy easter egg in X2. In X3 he was wallpaper and it annoyed me.

His scene in X2 was WAYYY too cool to be called a "nerdy easter egg"! But yeah, he was pointless in X3. Too bad they cut the scene of the sentinel smashing him around with its coil.

Why was Angel in this movie, again?

I did think he was a pretty good viewpoint for the cure. Although Rogue could have had that screentime for the same reasons. His "origin" scene was pretty powerful I thought.

they killed Shoreh Ashdagloo. Racists.

Heh, funny death though.

Also, Halle Berry had too much to do in this film. I do not like Halle Berry as Storm. More Halle Berry meant less Anna Paquin, and she disappeared for a good 60 minutes of the film.

Agreed. I also HATE how the line between Storm and Beast about their hair taints Magnetos saying it to Rogue in X2. But X2's still makes me giggle everytime.

Angel also should not have been in this movie, nor should he have been played by Ben Foster.

Yup. I remember they said they weren't taking the obvious route of casting some hot pretty boy - they wanted someone who could act and convey the emotion. They shouldnt have bothered. Foster fails as Angel.

maintain that the Chris Claremont cameo in the beginning just set the movie up for failure.

LOL

My problem is that they cure Rogue instead of giving her a important role like in the first two X-Men movies. :(

That's one of the things I hate most too. Rogue was my fave character from the movie verse. Thankfully I can watch X1 and X2 without X3 ruining it for me now, I just pretend it doesnt exist...

It's really sad that it turned out that way =/

[Greg Anderson]

I blame the screenwriters and the studio. If the studio would have just let Singer finish his dream Superman film then have him back for X3, I'm sure the movie would have been a nice solid conclusion. And the writers are to blame for making such a horrid story. In all honesty, why was Jean even resurrected? There was no point whatsoever. She came back, killed a few people, and died. She brought nothing to the main plot of the cure and if anything pushed the humans to seeing just how terrible a person with powers can be. They could have easily left Jean out for another movie which would have a bit more impact.

The mutant cure could have worked much better by maybe showing more tension with the cure. We had all this advertisement of Angel being in the movie and he was in it for 5 minutes. The only purpose he had was being the source of the idea for the mutant cure, they could have easily created another random mutant for it. But all he did was jump out of a window. It would have been good if he showed up at the mansion and people recognized him for being the son of the man who created the cure and give him hell. And why stop there, they could have had a few mutant hating humans steal some of the serum and start injecting some mutants just to add tension to the story. They could have had some tension with Rogue, have people getting on her about taking the cure.

And you have any idea how bad-ass they could have had Cyclops? They could have really had him being the bad-ass leader due to losing Jean and having nothing to much care about. This they could have used for maybe Storm and Logan questioning him as leader and get on his case, but whatever.

The last movie also made a huge mistake with the ending. The main focus of the movie was the cure, correct? That was why the villains were made, etc. But by showing that the cure wasn't permanent took away all the stuff the movie was establishing and made it seem as if everything that happened within the movie basically happened for no reason. :rolleyes:

[Absolut_Fresh]

There is one reason the Dark Phoenix aspect of the movie failed and one reason only....the absence of the Phoenix raptor.

as bad as everything else was, i could have forgiven it if i had gotten to seen the Phoenix raptor on the big screen. a part of me died when the credits rolled on the film.

[Phil Hunn]

There is one reason the Dark Phoenix aspect of the movie failed and one reason only....the absence of the Phoenix raptor.

I think the problems with that storyline ran just a little deeper than a single cosmetic aspect. You know, with pacing, impact, and LACK OF CYCLOPS.

[Swashbuckler]

I blame Marvel, Joss Whedon, Singer, Brian M. and Halle Berry.

[Luck911]

What were you really expecting though? It wasn't supposed to be some direct translation of the comic books onto the big screen. From the very beginning, it seemed like a practice of modernization, experimentation, and adding Easter Eggs for us comic book fans.

Let's be real here, things like Callisto's power to wear and eye patch and be pasty and fug just wouldn't have worked.

I expect them to stay along the lines X 1 and 2,tell a comic book story but only change parts of story to due time,impossible to do, or some other reasonable explanation.

I am glad you brought up Callisto.I loved Callisto in the movie she was awesome but me being hardcore X-man fan for over 20 years had no idea who the hell she was during the movie.I like that Callisto better than the one in the comics,same thing with Lady deathstrike.Also loved the movie Pyro i wish that Pyro was student of xavier in comics that worked perfectly movie i taught.I am not against changes but as much as possible you should try to stay true to the source material.

[Omega Alpha]

I blame Marvel, Joss Whedon, Singer, Brian M. and Halle Berry.

You don't have to name Brian M; he's already the source of all evil, so when something goes wrong, it's already implied. is at least in part his fault.

[Brian M.]

I blame Marvel, Joss Whedon, Singer, Brian M. and Halle Berry.

i blame your mother for not getting tha abortion .

[rick]

I don't know what to say, but I actually liked X-3.

Yeah, it wasn't as good as the first two films, but I still think it had some great bits in it and on the whole thought it was a fun enjoyable movie.

[Omega Alpha]

i blame your mother for not getting tha abortion .

But you're a Republican; anyone that gets an abortion goes to Hell!

You see; he's EVIL:evilsmile

[Kevin Vetter]

I liked the movie too. It was the worst of the 3 but it was still a decent movie. I blame all of the wonderful people that found out ratner was directing it and then two seconds later were telling anyone that would listen that it was going to be the worst movie in the history of movies for no reason other than ratner was directing it.

[SensorBoy]

The big problem is now any X-movie that wants to use Scott or Jean has to devote screentime to explaining how they return (and no, I don't think you could build a movie around them coming back).

Ditto with Chuck. Unless you recast the part. Or Chuck manages to telepathically manipulate his new body into looking like Patrick Stewart.

Which sucks, because "Wolverine & the X-teens" is not my idea of a good movie. I'd prefer a more robust cast. Bring in Polaris, Dazzler, some of the New Mutants, etc.

Oh, and quit trying to do "random X-saga" from the comics. Do something original, not simply a reinterpretation of already presented material that will likely suck in comparison to the original.

Genosha could be done like that (i.e. use the country and it's theme, but not simply a movie-version of "X-tinction Agenda"). Ditto with the Mutant Registration Act.

[Deus ex Chris]

I liked Storm's hair, and she also had some cool stunts--especially in the deleted scenes. She totally could've taken out Jean in the end. It's a shame we didn't get to see at least a little throw down between the two.

I do think the script and direction were both terribly weak, resulting in a less than stellar film. Of course, I didn't hate it the way I hated Spider-Man 2 and 3.

Also, Storm and Rogue deserve better than being played by Halle Berry and Anna Paquin.

[Omega Alpha]

I liked the movie too. It was the worst of the 3 but it was still a decent movie. I blame all of the wonderful people that found out ratner was directing it and then two seconds later were telling anyone that would listen that it was going to be the worst movie in the history of movies for no reason other than ratner was directing it.

Well, you know, if Ratner was a great director, or at least one as good as Singer, the expectations for the film would be higher. It's not the fans fault if he failed to make great movies before, therefore lowering the expectations. And if he had managed to do a good film, not only he would have a positive reaction, but the fact that the expectations were low would help it get even more praise than normally.

[Phil Hunn]

I liked the movie too. It was the worst of the 3 but it was still a decent movie. I blame all of the wonderful people that found out ratner was directing it and then two seconds later were telling anyone that would listen that it was going to be the worst movie in the history of movies for no reason other than ratner was directing it.

I thought it was going to suck because of the needless cameos that kept being announced online, and because of the fact that it was going to be a squished-together mess of two plotlines deserving of their own movies. Ratner as director didn't fill me with confidence, but I didn't write the film off completely until I'd actually seen it. And then the bile started spewing.

I do think the script and direction were both terribly weak, resulting in a less than stellar film. Of course, I didn't hate it the way I hated Spider-Man 2 and 3.

Wait, you hated Spider-Man 2?

I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Dave.

[Novaya Havoc]

Also, Storm and Rogue deserve better than being played by Halle Berry and Anna Paquin.

Don't speak LIES on Easter. I <3 Anna Paquin as Rogue!

[tetragene]

A combination of factors, really. Weak script and direction being at the forefront of the problem. Getting the director of the Rush Hour movies to direct an X-film was problem numero uno. He might be appropriate for a Deadpool movie, where the character is expected to be humorous and slapstick and have less of a serious tone--but not for an X-film. The screenwriters also introduced so many elements and failed to follow-up on them. Colossus was there...just to be there, had a total of maybe 2 lines. Psylocke was lopped in there...just because. Rogue was, yet again, anything but a southern charmer (infact--where was the SOUTHERNESS that makes Rogue so lovable in the first place?). They once again went the "emo" route with the character. What should have been the main driving force of the film (Jean and the Dark Phoenix) was swept to the side halfway through the movie then all of a sudden brought back into the big picture at the last minute. Cyclops was an afterthought for the second time in the movies. The Storm/Callisto battle was anti-climactic for such a famous comic book brawl. Callisto should NOT have been pretty... You include Psylocke in a lame cameo role and then include a character people could give two shits about seeing in the movie (Spike? Quill? Needle face? whatever his name was)

the movie was entertaining, but from a storytelling point of view it was pretty bad. It really started falling apart after the middle of the movie (where Jean kills Xavier), before that it seemed like it could be a good film.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Don't speak LIES on Easter. I <3 Anna Paquin as Rogue!

Anna was NOT playing Roguey in the flicks. She tried to do her best with the Skrull/poser motif Singer, Fox & Cie and went for.

Damn them all for their "ooooh, I over-identify with the vague outline of some characters so I'll totally push for them to be something else for the sake of EMOTION and DRAMA" approach. :mad:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, and the battles sucked, lol.

The whole point of a superhero flick is to have KICKASS battle scenes inbetween the melodrama.

It was an epic fail on both accounts.

[Novaya Havoc]

Anna was NOT playing Roguey in the flicks. She tried to do her best with the Skrull/poser motif Singer, Fox & Cie and went for.

Damn them all for their "ooooh, I over-identify with the vague outline of some characters so I'll totally push for them to be something else for the sake of EMOTION and DRAMA" approach. :mad:

I loved Paquin's Rogue. She was great in X2, but was just given nothing to do in 3 besides be moody. I thought she handled the character well, and was one of the only ways that character's angle could work in the film without making her super-cheese.

Oh, and the battles sucked, lol.

The whole point of a superhero flick is to have KICKASS battle scenes inbetween the melodrama.

It was an epic fail on both accounts.

The battles were okay. They cut out some decent scenes from the Grey house, though, like when Storm/Wolverine electrocuted Juggernaut, which makes me the :(.

And the absence of Mystique really cut into the flick. Rebecca Romijn's few scenes were electric.

I also blame the inclusion of Moira McTaggert for the FAILURE. OCH! GTFO MOIRA!

[Nyssane]

Moira was in X3?

[Novaya Havoc]

Moira was in X3?

Yes. And she, along with Chris Claremont and Juno, ruined the movie!

[Pach!]

Moira was in X3?

Yeah... whenever the vegetative guy was on screen.

[Deus ex Chris]

Wait, you hated Spider-Man 2?
It was basically the same film as the first, and I didn't particularly like that one either.
Don't speak LIES on Easter. I <3 Anna Paquin as Rogue!
Ewwwww!!! We are NOT friends anymore--for like five minutes.

[Luck911]

List of stuff that annoyed me watching the movie aka stuff that didn't need to be movie

-The Juggernaut,He was mutant.It ignored the whole back story of the Juggernaut and if he was in another x-men movie,it lead to whole other confusing mess trying explain his back story.They put the character in to be a filler villain when they were better choices

-The villains with Magneto,It seems that where pulling random villains and heroes from the comic.Pyro and Mystique it worked but Arclight, Juggernaut, Quill, Multiple Man,Callisto.Yes we comic fans recognize them but if they really want to please us they would have used Blob,Quicksilver or Scarlet Witch or Vought, Cortez,Frenzy or Exodus and not hurt continuity that much.Cameos are cool but unnecessary in this case when the real story has just as good characters.I am the Blob bitch works just as good as i am Juggernaut.

-Cyclops and Professor X dying,I know this was meant as the last X-movie and it was poorly done.Cyclops dying seem happen only so wolverine could shine in the movie.Professor X death was poorly done too.The whole movie was Ratner attempt to be epic which he fail badly.

-I don't see why they had change phoenix to jean grey bad uncontrollable personality.They could just left as alien force call the phoenix took over jean grey.It was an ok change but it was not necessary.

-Did Angel story line really add anything to movie ?

Most of my complaining are those little nick nack comic book fanboy complaints but the movie has so many of those moments it just ruins the movie for Real x-men comic book fans

-The ending this where Ratner really failed went corny small when he should have going corny big like he was doing for the whole movie. Those six x-men against all those people and winning is corny small.Here how he should end the movie corny big

Those six x-men line up and go up against the army of mutant start to lose but storm push them back with gust of wind.The x-men look beat up and mutant army regroup and is about attack when huge optic blast comes down cause them to back up.All of sudden cyclops walk out.

Wolverine ask cyclops where he has been.Cyclops said Xavier sent to him to Muir island to get help because he knew something big was happening(We never saw cyclops die ).Then all of sudden Nightcrawler, Banshee, Sunfire and Thunderbird walk out too.Then Cyclops says Jean Grey "You love me,You could never hurt me"or some crap like that.Then at time Jean Grey seems to snap of the phoenix control comes over to Scott,Wolverine looks the other way

Angel fly down ask if they need any help.Cyclops replies sure.Then Cyclops says we are split into two groups the one take on the mutant army,one to taken on Magneto and the acolytes.Jean Grey,Ice man,Beast, and Angel go with Cyclops.The rest form up with wolverine.Yeah you guess it the original X-men and the uncanny x-men.Big Battle happens ,Thunderbird dies,Rouge shows up nearly kills woman who almost kill iceman by sucking out her powers and Magneto go all crazy smacks everybody around,Jean Grey taps into phoenix beats him but lose control tell Scott to kill her he can't,So wolverine has too.Battle over

The ending has three part

-The mutants back mansion playing baseball having their bitter sweet happy ending

-In the white house there is meeting ,where you see man push folder across the table and it has Sentinel program written on it.The next movie would be mutant registration and days of the future pass story

-The original Xavier popping up in other person body ending

If movie some how manage to put the original x-men together in one fight scene no matter how bad movie,every x-man fan would have cherish that moment and have a better view of the film.

[david r]

I'm a huge, HUGE X-Men fan. I haven't seen these 3 movies. I never plan to. I feel the X-Men is too complex a story, and the characters too exotic and offbeat, for Hollywood to *get* them. It sounds like I was right?

[Deus ex Chris]

I'm a huge, HUGE X-Men fan. I haven't seen these 3 movies. I never plan to. I feel the X-Men is too complex a story, and the characters too exotic and offbeat, for Hollywood to *get* them. It sounds like I was right?
Actually, you're wrong. The second film captured the spirit of the X-Men in a way that most comic book writers don't manage to do.

[Luck911]

I'm a huge, HUGE X-Men fan. I haven't seen these 3 movies. I never plan to. I feel the X-Men is too complex a story, and the characters too exotic and offbeat, for Hollywood to *get* them. It sounds like I was right?

No you should see the X-movies even the third one.The first two do the comics justice(x-2 spot on i think) and last one is a little too Hollywood but is decent as an action movie to watch once.

[Novaya Havoc]

Wolverine ask cyclops where he has been.Cyclops said Xavier sent to him to Muir island to get help because he knew something big was happening(We never saw cyclops die ).Then all of sudden Nightcrawler, Banshee, Sunfire and Thunderbird walk out too.Then Cyclops says Jean Grey "You love me,You could never hurt me"or some crap like that.Then at time Jean Grey seems to snap of the phoenix control comes over to Scott,Wolverine looks the other way

Angel fly down ask if they need any help.Cyclops replies sure.Then Cyclops says we are split into two groups the one take on the mutant army,one to taken on Magneto and the acolytes.Jean Grey,Ice man,Beast, and Angel go with Cyclops.The rest form up with wolverine.Yeah you guess it the original X-men and the uncanny x-men.Big Battle happens ,Thunderbird dies,Rouge shows up nearly kills woman who almost kill iceman by sucking out her powers and Magneto go all crazy smacks everybody around,Jean Grey taps into phoenix beats him but lose control tell Scott to kill her he can't,So wolverine has too.Battle over


..........

[Don Quixote]

I suppose everyone involved should take some blame. But the fact that it was badly written and edited and directed takes precedence over any marketing decisions, or Singer's obsession with Superman.

It was a very poor film, and has dealt serious damage to the X-Men movie franchise. We've now got the Wolverine movie coming, and I think any new X-Men film will be an effective reboot of the franchise, much like Batman Begins.

[Chiasm]

X-3 is down there in Batman and Robin territory of putridness for me.

Its a pretty film to look at and the CGI effects are cool but the problem is that the director and writer forgot to put a coherent story with it. There is hardly any character development and they made a complete abomination out of the Dark Phoenix storyline.

Really the only inspired bit filmmaking they did was with Kitty Pryde as Ellen Page was perfect in that role. Unfortunately her screen time was too brief.

I saw this movie at the theater one time and have no intentions of ever watching it again. Last Christmas they had the DVD on sale for $3.00 at a local store along with lots of others. Being the anal completist I am I've got lots of movies still in plastic wrap that I've boughten like this just to finish out a series. But not this one. I won't even shell out three lousy bucks, the cost of one comic book, for it.

[_Jayme_]

You're classifying it with Batman and Robin? Ouch. People are forgetting that this was the last film. Yeah, you could have had alot more character developments in it, but it wouldn't have done any good seeing as it was the last one.

[Fede]

All of the above.

I agree with that, athough i voted "screenwriters", because were the worst of them all

[Alex A Sanchez]

Ultimately, if 20th Century Fox had not rushed the film, most of the other problems would not have occurred. For example, Marden and Singer may have been around if it wasn't for the timeline.

[Kage Kisaragi]

How are things going in backwords land?


Just groove, me and Backwards Optic Rage are the best of buddies.. We were just asking ourselves what was so good about the first X-Men movie and for the life of us couldn't come up with one good point in it.

[Phil Hunn]

-The Juggernaut,He was mutant.It ignored the whole back story of the Juggernaut

Well, to be fair, how are you going to explain that on-screen? If the Juggernaut isn't the centrepiece villain, then to go into a long, lengthy explanation of his ruby and why it makes him unstoppable would chew up far too much screen time for a guy who is only a fringe concern.

Should they have included him at all, then? Probably not.

I'm a huge, HUGE X-Men fan. I haven't seen these 3 movies. I never plan to. I feel the X-Men is too complex a story, and the characters too exotic and offbeat, for Hollywood to *get* them. It sounds like I was right?

The first two movies are fantastic (the second is the best). Don't see the third one, though. If you're a Cyclops fan, though, you may end up tearing your hair out, because the character gets marginalised hideously in favour of Wolverine...

You're classifying it with Batman and Robin? Ouch. People are forgetting that this was the last film. Yeah, you could have had alot more character developments in it, but it wouldn't have done any good seeing as it was the last one.

You could also have had some decent scriptwriting, a decent director, and a story that actually had some patience with regard to its subject matter.

Lumping it together with Batman & Robin is an apt comparison, methinks. The only thing separating the two films is the fact that Wolverine didn't have nipples sculpted onto his costume...

[Slung]

-I don't see why they had change phoenix to jean grey bad uncontrollable personality.They could just left as alien force call the phoenix took over jean grey.It was an ok change but it was not necessary.


Thank God they didn't do the whole alien force thing. That was a terrible retcon in the comics, and it would be a terribly confusing plot point in the movie. They should have just gone the "Jean's powers have grown exponential and Mastermind drove her crazy" route. That would have been AWESOME.

[Luck911]

Thank God they didn't do the whole alien force thing. That was a terrible retcon in the comics, and it would be a terribly confusing plot point in the movie. They should have just gone the "Jean's powers have grown exponential and Mastermind drove her crazy" route. That would have been AWESOME.

Learn something new every day,It seems that original intent of story was close to the movie go figure but whether you like it or not the Phoenix force stuff,set up the Shiar stuff,Cyclops father stuff and some other stuff pretty important to x-men lore.It maybe slightly more confusing than Jean Grey powers where too much for her to control and Xavier had suppress her powers in the process of that happing her psyche split her dark side took the name of phoenix but as you can see story in the movie isn't much better.At least alien force thing respects the comics.

[Omega Alpha]

Ultimately, if 20th Century Fox had not rushed the film, most of the other problems would not have occurred. For example, Marden and Singer may have been around if it wasn't for the timeline.

Mardsen WAS around, the "he was filming Superman" excuse by the studio is bull. His role was small in Singer's film, and Ian McKellen had only 15 days to film because he had to shoot The Da Vinci Code, and managed to have a substantial role.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Me, I never thought the movies were all great shakes to begin with.

[Mr. Earl Brooks]

X-3 is down there in Batman and Robin territory of putridness for me.

Hehehe... The Batsuit had nipples...

[Slung]

Learn something new every day,It seems that original intent of story was close to the movie go figure but whether you like it or not the Phoenix force stuff,set up the Shiar stuff,Cyclops father stuff and some other stuff pretty important to x-men lore.It maybe slightly more confusing than Jean Grey powers where too much for her to control and Xavier had suppress her powers in the process of that happing her psyche split her dark side took the name of phoenix but as you can see story in the movie isn't much better.At least alien force thing respects the comics.

The Shi'Ar and Corsair stuff still would have happened without the Phoenix Force - the only the thing the Phoenix Force "possessing Jean" (which doesn't happen in the comics either) changes is whether or not Jean was the one who went crazy or not. She still has mad powers, still goes into space, still gets hunted down by the Shi'Ar and still meets up with the StarJammers with or without the Phoenix Force.

[Optic Rage!]

Just groove, me and Backwards Optic Rage are the best of buddies.. We were just asking ourselves what was so good about the first X-Men movie and for the life of us couldn't come up with one good point in it.

That makes sense, regular Optic Rage a good taste in friends and not to mention is the total opposite of a retard.

Im going to post a huge rant on why X3 sucked so bad tomorrow, but first i need time to mentally prepare myself so i dont smash my laptop out of pure rage.

The third X-Men movie is my favorite of the whole bunch. People just love to complain.

I love the way that people who like the movie use that one response over and over, i guess its hard for even them to actually explain why they thought the movie was.....ugh it pains me to say it......good.

[HulkSmash666]

My problems with X3:

- Fight scenes were crap. I wanted to see more CGI used in the fight scenes, eg Beast should have been shown moving similar to Spiderman with awesome flips and acrobatics etc being done with CGI instead of wire work.

-There was Colossus and Juggernaut in the movie, but no fight between them, which would have been awesome. I have always wanted to see two of Marvel's brick in a slugfest on screen, and felt ripped off that this didn't happen.

-More familar mutants should have been shown in the final battle. There were way too many nameless, obscure mutants with crap power-sets.

-Wasn't dark nor dire enough for the "Big Battle". Didn't feel like it was a huge threat.

[Fixx]

uhhh
all of the above!!
theres no pne person to blame

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I gotta say, it just cracks me up how Ratner gets *that much* of the blame, lol.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think he's s good director. Nor a truly horrible one, eh. We're not in Uwe Boll territory yet.

Still... come on, NO ONE could've made an awesome movie with the very same script. Yeah, he made some bad calls, but he didn't exactly run the show.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Mardsen WAS around, the "he was filming Superman" excuse by the studio is bull. His role was small in Singer's film, and Ian McKellen had only 15 days to film because he had to shoot The Da Vinci Code, and managed to have a substantial role.

Yowie- wasn't aware of this. It is just another reminder of how amazingly cool McKellen is. Love that guy.

[worstblogever]

Mardsen WAS around, the "he was filming Superman" excuse by the studio is bull. His role was small in Singer's film, and Ian McKellen had only 15 days to film because he had to shoot The Da Vinci Code, and managed to have a substantial role.

Was Marsden also working on "Hairspray" or "Enchanted" around this time? He seemed like he was in like three or four movies a year in supporting roles lately.

And in none of him did he get the girl.

[Lombardo!]

20th Century Fox.

Cyclops jobbing into the shadows? Come ON.
An X-Men movie without Cyclops is just not X-Men.

[Deus ex Chris]

An X-Men movie without Cyclops is just not X-Men.
Well, I have to disagree with that. Uncanny X-Men managed to still be X-Men without Cyclops all through the 80s. I do agree that if you're beginning a film franchise or TV series, there are certain key characters that should be present for establishing the world (Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, Jean Grey, Professor X and Magneto). However, those characters don't necessarily have to be present in the sequels.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, I have to disagree with that. Uncanny X-Men managed to still be X-Men without Cyclops all through the 80s.

True in a sense.

But Cyke wasn't exactly completely out of the picture during the first part of CC's run and then there was X-Factor. Somewhat of a diff between being thrown in a different sphere of the mythos than never mattering, lol.


I do agree that if you're beginning a film franchise or TV series, there are certain key characters that should be present for establishing the world (Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, Jean Grey, Professor X and Magneto). However, those characters don't necessarily have to be present in the sequels.

Screw that, lol. First and second gen for the win. To hell with the x-brats, the C and D-listers. The X-Men's story as a whole sure ain't about them. ;)

[Brian M.]

Actually I've started blaming God.

[worstblogever]

Actually I've started blaming God.

Me: Oh why Lord, did you forsake the X-Men movie franchise?

God: *shrugs* You're a dick.

[Brian M.]

Me: Oh why Lord, did you forsake the X-Men movie franchise?

God: *shrugs* You're a dick.

My Priest said that to me too.

Different reasons.

[jmc247]

The film pulled in 459,256,008$ worldwide, its DVD sales to date are $98,505,656 and the game based on the movie pulled in 16 million.

Fox and Marvel consider the film to be a massive success where it mattered to them as for the opinions of fans as long as they buy the product they really don't care.

It is like the attacks on the third Ultimates series by online fans. As long as it keeps selling extremely well Marvel isn't going to give a damn.

[Phil Hunn]

I love the way that people who like the movie use that one response over and over, i guess its hard for even them to actually explain why they thought the movie was.....ugh it pains me to say it......good.

It's the same response you get out of people who think Meet The Spartans was anything other than a waste of time, money and the souls of the people hired to make it.

-There was Colossus and Juggernaut in the movie, but no fight between them, which would have been awesome. I have always wanted to see two of Marvel's brick in a slugfest on screen, and felt ripped off that this didn't happen.

Yeah, this would have been a lot better than "I'M THE JUGGERNAUT, BITCH!"

I gotta say, it just cracks me up how Ratner gets *that much* of the blame, lol.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think he's s good director. Nor a truly horrible one, eh. We're not in Uwe Boll territory yet.

Better be careful criticising Boll. He'll challenge you to a fight.

(seriously, he will. He challenged his critics to a boxing match before, and he'll likely do it again)

It is like the attacks on the third Ultimates series by online fans. As long as it keeps selling extremely well Marvel isn't going to give a damn.

The number of people who've kept that on their pull list at my store has dropped significantly. My Comic Book Guy has slashed the order significantly, since only three people still want it.

One hopes this is representative of a larger backlash against it (I don't even have a history with the book, and even I thought the first issue was fucking terrible)...

[Omega Alpha]

Was Marsden also working on "Hairspray" or "Enchanted" around this time? He seemed like he was in like three or four movies a year in supporting roles lately.

And in none of him did he get the girl.

No, both of those movies were made in 2006 and 2007.

The film pulled in 459,256,008$ worldwide, its DVD sales to date are $98,505,656 and the game based on the movie pulled in 16 million.

Fox and Marvel consider the film to be a massive success where it mattered to them as for the opinions of fans as long as they buy the product they really don't care.


Like I said, the movie was also the one that costed the most by far, so proportionally it made much less money than the other two. And that due to the bad reception among the fans and the general audience, which also killed the chances of making a fourth movie. Do you remember when a major studio ignored the bad fan and critical reception of a 3rd movie of a superhero franchise and made the fourth one because they still made money? We had Superman 4 and Batman & Robin...

[jmc247]

Like I said, the movie was also the one that costed the most by far, so proportionally it made much less money than the other two. And that due to the bad reception among the fans and the general audience, which also killed the chances of making a fourth movie. Do you remember when a major studio ignored the bad fan and critical reception of a 3rd movie of a superhero franchise and made the fourth one because they still made money? We had Superman 4 and Batman & Robin...

Marvel and Fox were already planning individual films for Wolverine and Magneto before X-Men 3 was released so I would hardly say it killed chances for a 4th film.

I suspect what Marvel and Fox planned on doing was waiting maybe 6-8 years as well as picking up a new set of actors for the next X-Men film. I still think an X4 will happen within a decade. But, I do think it will be a real departure from the other three.

[spinny0617]

So finally saw it this afternoon... here goes nothing.

The X-Men:

Xavier - I liked him. I didn't mind that he made some choices he shouldn't have. It made him more human. I didn't mind his death either, it was handled well. Stewart did a good job as always.

Wolverine - Too out of character. I didn't buy the whole "I love Jean!" routine for one moment. He flirted with her a couple of times in 1 and 2... that's it! Yes they were attracted to each other physically but they had no emotional connection whatsoever. Till she comes back from the dead and he goes all blubbery. But he had to love her cause otherwise they'd have to use Cyclops in the Dark Phoenix Saga... and that just doesn't work. :rolleyes:
When he was slashing up stuff he was fine and so was Jackman.

Jean Grey - Yes she was dangerous but she was underused. This movie should have been about her (and Cyclops) primarily, that way she could have been a much bigger threat as a villian. We knew what she could do, she just barely did it. Killing Cyke and the Prof and a few soldiers isn't quite as intimidating as destroying a whole planet. Mags' creative use of the Golden Gate Bridge was far more effective and much bigger in scope. Janssen did good though, I liked her performance.

Storm - Okay, she had a bigger role, but they could have easily had someone else play the part of cure hater. I felt that comic Storm would have been more nuanced about it. It felt a bit forced. Her role as team leader was a let down as well. Did she ever make a good decision? No, her best decision was on Logan's advice. Best defence = good offense and all that. They might have increased her part but they still didn't quite know what to do with her. It never felt like Storm, it felt like Halle Berry demanding a bigger part, and sucking at it.

Cyclops - Was he even in the film? Oh yeah at the start as cannon fodder... :rolleyes: The should be male lead of the film and they killed him off (or did they?). There ain't much more to say than that really. Marsden did a good job with the limited time he had.

Rogue - [favourite character alert - unbiased opinion not guaranteed] *sigh* I knew what was coming and I was still pissed off. The cure storyline was taylor made for her. But where was the emotional struggle? "Hmmmm, Bobby is making time with that little Juno slut and I'm sure Logan was checking me out when I stormed into Xavier's office... That cure is soooooo mine!" :rolleyes:
If you look at the difference between X1 and X2 Rogue then it's clear that Singer intended to have her truly become the southern belle we all love at the end of the trilogy. She was a damsel in distress in the 1st one but in nr 2 she was already a lot more assertive. She demanded they'd go back to save Logan from Stryker during the attack, she stopped Pyro on Iceman's porch, she threatened Mags and Mystique and she flew the jet to safety. Sure she still had seatbelt problems but that's a part of the growth process. The thing that bother's me the most is all the promises the writers and Fox did before the movie was out. "Oh, she plays a big part, don't worry. She's in on the action." She didn't get screwed as much as Cyke but still... Bobby will probably take care of that now...
Paquin did great though, she always does, she just gets unfairly blamed for how the character is written.

Iceman - I don't like him and I never will. Comic book Bobby is fine, I just can't stand this one. Can't really explain it, it just is. Iceman vs Pyro was alright though. Ashmore does okay.

Beast - I liked Beast although I felt that his vocabulary was a bit dumbed down. He didn't seem as smart as he should. Other than that he was fine. Grammer did good, I always thought that was a good casting choice.

Kitty - Hey who's that girl running along with the X-Men? Oh it's that girl that can walk through walls... Where was the intro? Other than that, no real complaints, but did we really need her in this movie? Page was good.

Colossus - He stood around in the background looking big and strong... A pretty faithful version to the comics then. ;) Again, did we really need this character as an X-Man? A good cameo would've been more effective, see X2.

Angel - Why? So many characters thrown in just to fill the gaps left by Cyke and Rogue. He was like a broken pencil... pointless. When you use a big character then use him well, not like this.

The Brotherhood:

Magneto - One of the few sources of enjoyment for me. Although I thought he was a bit too reckless concerning the Phoenix. Did he really think he could control her? I would've probably liked it more if he helped the X-Men stop her, it would've felt slightly more in character. But that would go at the cost of a great villian, though we all know he's not just a simple villain. McKellen can do no wrong.

Mystique - Flawless. A conniving bitch as usual. No complaints at all.

Pyro - Also no complaints. Apparently it's easier to write good villians.

Juggernaut and other assorted Brotherhood members - Weird choices... why not use Blob and Avalanche and Destiny, or Mastermind and Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch? No depth in these characters at all. Wasted opportunity.

Conclusion:

Like Spider-Man 3, this movie wanted to do way too much in a short space of time. Either do DPS or the cure or make the movie twice as long. As the end of a trilogy it failed in every way. It should've focused on the core 5 characters introduced in the first film. Wolverine, Jean, Storm, Cyclops and Rogue. Magneto as the big villian next to the Phoenix and supporting roles for Iceman, Beast, Pyro and Mystique. Throw in a few tasteful cameo's and you have a succesful film.

Cyclops is taking a break from the X-Men leaving Storm in charge. Wolverine as a reluctant second in command. Jean becomes the Phoenix and gets lured into the Brotherhood by Magneto who thinks he can control her. Storm's X-Men get their asses handed to them because both her and Logan don't feel Rogue and Iceman are ready and don't want to put them in harm's way. Cyclops comes back and gets them working as a team and takes the fight to the Brotherhood. Magneto loses control of the Phoenix and the Brotherhood is crippled. Final X-Men vs Phoenix battle commences with Cyclops at the emotional center of it all. Jean regains enough control to sacrifice herself in some way. Heartbreaking ending.

Now, was that so hard? Took me about 5 minutes.

Give me Arad's head on stick. Rant over.

[Brian M.]

I liked your new verison. It works. It's not overly corny, wasn't cheesy, it works.

[jmc247]

Cyclops is taking a break from the X-Men leaving Storm in charge. Wolverine as a reluctant second in command. Jean becomes the Phoenix and gets lured into the Brotherhood by Magneto who thinks he can control her. Storm's X-Men get their asses handed to them because both her and Logan don't feel Rogue and Iceman are ready and don't want to put them in harm's way. Cyclops comes back and gets them working as a team and takes the fight to the Brotherhood. Magneto loses control of the Phoenix and the Brotherhood is crippled. Final X-Men vs Phoenix battle commences with Cyclops at the emotional center of it all. Jean regains enough control to sacrifice herself in some way. Heartbreaking ending.


Buttttt, that would have cut into Wolverine's screen time.

Seriously, I expect Cyclops could have been one of the more kick ass characters in the X-films if they didn't ram so much Wolverine down our throats. Instead he threatened Wolverine's screen time and role as male lead so he was written off quickly and given crap for screen time. I wonder if they will do the same with Wolverine and the X-Men?

[Brett P]

So finally saw it this afternoon... here goes nothing.

Hope it doesn't cause any long term trauma!!

<snip>
Like Spider-Man 3, this movie wanted to do way too much in a short space of time. Either do DPS or the cure or make the movie twice as long. As the end of a trilogy it failed in every way. It should've focused on the core 5 characters introduced in the first film. Wolverine, Jean, Storm, Cyclops and Rogue. Magneto as the big villian next to the Phoenix and supporting roles for Iceman, Beast, Pyro and Mystique. Throw in a few tasteful cameo's and you have a succesful film.

Yeah, I think you sum it all up perfectly, it's more or less exactly how I felt.

Cyclops is taking a break from the X-Men leaving Storm in charge. Wolverine as a reluctant second in command. Jean becomes the Phoenix and gets lured into the Brotherhood by Magneto who thinks he can control her. Storm's X-Men get their asses handed to them because both her and Logan don't feel Rogue and Iceman are ready and don't want to put them in harm's way. Cyclops comes back and gets them working as a team and takes the fight to the Brotherhood. Magneto loses control of the Phoenix and the Brotherhood is crippled. Final X-Men vs Phoenix battle commences with Cyclops at the emotional center of it all. Jean regains enough control to sacrifice herself in some way. Heartbreaking ending.

I like.

Now, was that so hard? Took me about 5 minutes.

LOL <3

Give me Arad's head on stick. Rant over.

I'll see what I can do :D

[Deus ex Chris]

Cyclops is taking a break from the X-Men leaving Storm in charge. Wolverine as a reluctant second in command. Jean becomes the Phoenix and gets lured into the Brotherhood by Magneto who thinks he can control her. Storm's X-Men get their asses handed to them because both her and Logan don't feel Rogue and Iceman are ready and don't want to put them in harm's way. Cyclops comes back and gets them working as a team and takes the fight to the Brotherhood. Magneto loses control of the Phoenix and the Brotherhood is crippled. Final X-Men vs Phoenix battle commences with Cyclops at the emotional center of it all. Jean regains enough control to sacrifice herself in some way. Heartbreaking ending.
I don't think Marsden was compelling enough as Cyclops to carry the film like this. He was workable as a member of the ensemble, but that's it. Of course, Halle Berry wasn't compelling at all, so--you know--whatever.

[Don Quixote]

I don't think Marsden was compelling enough as Cyclops to carry the film like this. He was workable as a member of the ensemble, but that's it. Of course, Halle Berry wasn't compelling at all, so--you know--whatever.

Marsden is a decent enough actor, but I agree that he doesn't seem to have the presence that Hugh Jackman does. However, Wolverine was far too prominent in all three of the films. Of course, that's inevitable, due to Wolverine's marketability. But then I don't Famke Janssen or Halle Berry have any real screen presence either.

For a true ensemble film, they'd have needed better actors in all of the roles. Obviously, Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan were good, and I liked Anna Paquin as Rogue. But the only other one who impressed me was the kid who played Pyro.

[Phil Hunn]

Buttttt, that would have cut into Wolverine's screen time.

Seriously, I expect Cyclops could have been one of the more kick ass characters in the X-films if they didn't ram so much Wolverine down our throats. Instead he threatened Wolverine's screen time and role as male lead so he was written off quickly and given crap for screen time. I wonder if they will do the same with Wolverine and the X-Men?

I think the title of that cartoon says it all, really...

[Deus ex Chris]

Marsden is a decent enough actor, but I agree that he doesn't seem to have the presence that Hugh Jackman does. However, Wolverine was far too prominent in all three of the films. Of course, that's inevitable, due to Wolverine's marketability. But then I don't Famke Janssen or Halle Berry have any real screen presence either.
I've actually enjoyed Marsden in other things. He just wasn't a great Cyclops.

For a true ensemble film, they'd have needed better actors in all of the roles. Obviously, Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan were good, and I liked Anna Paquin as Rogue. But the only other one who impressed me was the kid who played Pyro.
I would've loved to see Angela Bassett rocking that shit with Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan. I love me some classically trained actors!

[Eh?]

20th Century Fox is to blame, pure and simple. This movie was absolute garbage.

[Phil Hunn]

I've actually enjoyed Marsden in other things. He just wasn't a great Cyclops.

Well, to be fair, he wasn't given much to work with. Cyclops was only present in the movies to make Wolverine look cooler - he even "donated" his turbo-boost motorcycle to Logan...