Starjammers?

[Animalia]

I was thinking that it would be really cool if Marvel made Polaris, Havok, and Marvel Girl on the Starjammers as an ongoing series. I would definatly pick that jem up.

[Askani's Flame]

I was thinking that it would be really cool if Marvel made Polaris, Havok, and Marvel Girl on the Starjammers as an ongoing series. I would definatly pick that jem up.

I'm pretty sure that they aren't going to do it. There maybe more of a draw with those three on board, but none of the other Starjammer series did well. I think it's best they keep them as a mini or put them back in Uncanny to wrap up this storyline. That will be done by 2011. ;)

[Joe Acro]

I don't think Emperor Vulcan's sales support an ongoing Starjammers title.

But, I wouldn't be adverse to Starjammers tie-in to some kind of Annihilation event. (Take out Vulcan or make him someone else's problem, and it might be more appealing to som.)

[GoingGreen]

I would definitely pick it up, too. Definitely.

Unfortunately, I don't see it happening. I don't think Marvel sees a book called 'Starjammers' selling well, hence why the mini was "X-Men:Emperor Vulcan" and not a "Starjammers" mini, despite the fact that the trio said they were no longer X-Men before the mini even came around. Also, Marvel doesn't feel Havok, Polaris, and Marvel Girl are popular enough to carry an ongoing book on their own. So... the trio will be stuck in space until someone gets around to it.

The ending sucked to the mini sucked, but I don't blame Yost. Polaris unleashed would've rocked, but we didn't get to see it - and I don't believe it's Yost's fault.

I think Marvel just couldn't think of a reason or a place for the trio to return - especially after how Messiah Complex changed the status quo. Even if the trio had returned from space... where would they go?

But, I'm looking at the situation with as much optimism as I can. Yost said "there were plans before he even came along" which we can assume means for a continuance.

As much as I don't want to - - I'll wait for more Polaris. Just because she's *SURPRISE!* a prisoner of war again, doesn't mean I love her any less. *Silent tear*

[Daithi]

The problem with a mini is that the Starjammers have no real purpose other to take down Vulcan. It's not like that's their life now as it was with originals.

I don't think that when Vulcan is defeated it will be because of Rachel, Alex or Lorna. I think they're in a holding pattern propping up Vulcan until the a-listers of Cyclops, Emma and whoever actually defeat him.

Also while I could see Rachel and Alex as Starjammers (even if Alex moves from being under Scott's shadow to being under Corsair's shadow) Lorna is so out of place it's unreal.

[kate-pryde]

Unless it was a Starjammers series based on Earth (which is unlikely), I wouldn't be interested.

I'm sick of anything related to space stories and Vulcan.

[Daithi]

Unless it was a Starjammers series based on Earth (which is unlikely), I wouldn't be interested.

An Alien Defense Squad coming out of Secret Invasion could be interesting? A group of superheroes protecting Earth from extraterrestrial beings?

[jmc247]

Also while I could see Rachel and Alex as Starjammers (even if Alex moves from being under Scott's shadow to being under Corsair's shadow) Lorna is so out of place it's unreal.

I certainly agree with you. Lorna is just there as a support for Alex, she has no real links to the Starjammers, Vulcan, or the Shi'ar.

I don't think that when Vulcan is defeated it will be because of Rachel, Alex or Lorna. I think they're in a holding pattern propping up Vulcan until the a-listers of Cyclops, Emma and whoever actually defeat him.

I believe that is most certainly the case, as the editors said the series would be finished on Uncanny and I am willing to bet good money it will be Cyke, Wolverine, Emma, and company who the writers have defeat Vulcan and the IG not the Starjammers.

The problem with a mini is that the Starjammers have no real purpose other to take down Vulcan. It's not like that's their life now as it was with originals.

Thats is also a very good point. There are there simply for a mission, which Marvel won't let them do, which means they are in a multi year holding pattern until the Uncanny X-Men defeat Vulcan.

[Mitteloss]

I would pick it up. It wouldn't sell. Actually, a Starjammers ongoing would probably never happen.

A mini. Maybe. In 3 years, or whenever Marvel feels the time comes to end the Vulcan saga. I would pick that up. Anything to support Polaris.

But even a mini looks un-likely. Vulcan's and Havok's story will probably be continued and hopefully finished in Uncanny X-Men, around issue #530.

[jmc247]

But even a mini looks un-likely. Vulcan's and Havok's story will probably be continued and hopefully finished in Uncanny X-Men, around issue #530.

I believe Marvel was convinced they could recreate the magic of the first Starjammers/Phoenix plot with Vulcan and they could milk the storyline for half a decade or more. But, there are a laundry list of reasons why the exact opposite happened and they ended up with a series that simply turned off fans over time to the point where you see words like travesety thrown around on different boards by people who were origionally really excited by the idea in 2006. Its rare you get this kind of almost totally unanimous animosity toward a major long term storyline even a poor one, but it does happen.

And, because there is so much animosity towards the storyline we won't be seeing much of Lorna or Rachel again until as you said around Uncanny 530, because few except hard core fans of the characters would buy another Vulcan mini.

[sschroeder]

And, because there is so much animosity towards the storyline we won't be seeing much of Lorna or Rachel again until as you said around Uncanny 530, because few except hard core fans of the characters would buy another Vulcan mini.

Having just read the whole Emperor Vulcan series from start to finish for the first time a couple of days ago, I was completely surprised at my reaction to it.

Going into it I was mildly irritated that I had to buy another 5 issues to get the rest of the story (which I did not even grab every issue of while it ran in Uncanny because Vulcan himself didn't interest me all that much). And I think I had at least partially put off reading it because I was afraid it still wouldn't finish things, leaving me potentially even more irritated.

I did a complete turn around. I'm on a scifi/space comics kick at the moment (Green Lantern, sampling Nova, picking up Annihilation again at the tale/tail end, waiting to try Guardians of the Galaxy), so this series fit right in with that. I, for the most part, enjoyed the team of characters out there, and the story. By the end, I was thinking, what was I irritated about? I liked it. And what am I going to do, stop reading comics? So I might as well have an ongoing story that I like.

If the writing and art were at least up to the standard of the EV mini, I'd probably keep following this story in another mini or ongoing. I don't know that the name Starjammers would sell, so whatever they need to use would be fine instead. I like seeing some X-Men characters doing something else than their usual Earthbound activities and interacting with non-mutants (even if they are mostly aliens). These characters seem powerful enough to make it offworld (reference what Havok survives in the last issue). They can still be a minority as few humans are out in space.

I do hope the story continues and doesn't get swallowed up as a footnote in one of the better selling X-books. These characters might not be top drawer on Earth (in terms of getting reader attention and dollars), but out in space they just might be competitive (with the likes of Nova, etc.).

[Animalia]

I posted a similar question on Marvel.com's Official Discussion Board and one of the members stated that Polaris will be returning to Earth as an important character in the future (whether that be sooner or later). They also stated that the three will appear again in Uncanny when the current arc comes to a close. "Their basically waiting in limbo..." until they can come back in.

[Mitteloss]

And, because there is so much animosity towards the storyline we won't be seeing much of Lorna or Rachel again until as you said around Uncanny 530, because few except hard core fans of the characters would buy another Vulcan mini.

Actually... maybe we won't be waiting so long. Uncanny #530 is an exaggeration. The Havok story in DWS must be leading to something. I'm giving it a year and a half taking that into consideration.

[jmc247]

Actually... maybe we won't be waiting so long. Uncanny #530 is an exaggeration.

I know it might be an exaggeration, we could be talking about Uncanny 550. :mad: ;)

Realistically I think 2-3 years is what we are looking at until they are back on Earth. Maybe a year and a half or two until the Uncanny team returns to space.

[Will J.]

Gotta say I probably wouldn't pick up a Starjammers ongoing, because there's no real character progression for Alex, Lorna and Rachel that I can see.

As others have said, Alex just exchanged one shadow for another. I'd much rather he come back to Earth and do his own thing. Tell the X-Men to shove it and go figure out who he is away from the X-Men and his family.

Lorna really should be in Legacy to continue establishing a relationship with her father while he helps her learn more about what Apocalypse did to her, but like Alex, she shouldn't be defined by other characters.

Rachel should be in Cable, helping her brother. I haven't read a lot of their interactions, but from what I've read here, they seem pretty close to me.

[The Black Guardian]

An Alien Defense Squad coming out of Secret Invasion could be interesting? A group of superheroes protecting Earth from extraterrestrial beings?
Too much like Guardians of the Galaxy. And that's pretty much what the Avengers is for.

[Daithi]

Rachel should be in Cable, helping her brother. I haven't read a lot of their interactions, but from what I've read here, they seem pretty close to me.

Yeah they are and I'm sure Cable would appreciate the help and company quite frankly. Cable is also doing what Rachel did for him anway. However it's Cable is Lone Wolf and cub at the moment.

Too much like Guardians of the Galaxy. And that's pretty much what the Avengers is for.

Hence why I said after Secret Invasion. An offshoot of the Avengers dealing with Shi'ar, Kree. Skril threats to Earth and the solar system.

[jmc247]

Gotta say I probably wouldn't pick up a Starjammers ongoing, because there's no real character progression for Alex, Lorna and Rachel that I can see.

As others have said, Alex just exchanged one shadow for another. I'd much rather he come back to Earth and do his own thing. Tell the X-Men to shove it and go figure out who he is away from the X-Men and his family.

Lorna really should be in Legacy to continue establishing a relationship with her father while he helps her learn more about what Apocalypse did to her, but like Alex, she shouldn't be defined by other characters.

Rachel should be in Cable, helping her brother. I haven't read a lot of their interactions, but from what I've read here, they seem pretty close to me.

I have to agree with you, of course I would rather Lorna touch the M'Krann before the Vulcan saga is over to get her X-gene reactivated because I suspect the whole Apocalypse stuff will be glossed over for the next decade or two and Marvel will pretened nothing has changed until a writer with some power who really likes Lorna finally comes by and decides to make her offically a mutant again.

[The Black Guardian]

Hence why I said after Secret Invasion. An offshoot of the Avengers dealing with Shi'ar, Kree. Skril threats to Earth and the solar system.
Hench why I said that's what the Avengers is for. There's no need for offshoots. Let the Initiative handle the homeworld. Send the Avengers, heck maybe even the FF too, to handle space. Plus with Guardians of the Galaxy out there, that should be more than enough. Too much of a good thing...

[Daithi]

Hench why I said that's what the Avengers is for. There's no need for offshoots. Let the Initiative handle the homeworld. Send the Avengers, heck maybe even the FF too, to handle space. Plus with Guardians of the Galaxy out there, that should be more than enough. Too much of a good thing...

Again it's only a suggestion but I don't see the Avengers of the FF heading of to space and after Secret Invasion there may be need for a more proactive X-Force type team.

Plus neither the Avengers, the F4 or the GoTG seem concerned that a powerful mutant with the mental age of a teenager is ruling a galactic empire.

[david r]

I would buy this book in a heartbeat. But only if Corsair was back, and it was the core Starjammers. The concept is really simple: pirates in space. Exploring strange new worlds...only this time for profit. Use your imagination and you'd never run out of stories.

Pirates in space. Skrulls. Kree. Sh'iar. Maybe a run in with Galactus. New aliens & civilizations. Then return to Earth and battle the X-Men. Then the Avengers or FF. Then back into space again. Have some human contacts, like Peter Corbeau or Reed Richards.

[Daithi]

I would buy this book in a heartbeat. But only if Corsair was back, and it was the core Starjammers. The concept is really simple: pirates in space. Exploring strange new worlds...only this time for profit. Use your imagination and you'd never run out of stories.


Which is why the current Starjammers don't work. Three of them including the captains aren't space pirates. They're three X-Men and two space pirates.

[ZNOP]

I have to agree with you, of course I would rather Lorna touch the M'Krann before the Vulcan saga is over to get her X-gene reactivated.

And, why would touching the Crystal reactivate Lorna's mutant abilities?

[Animalia]

And, why would touching the Crystal reactivate Lorna's mutant abilities?

Because thats how Professor X got his powers back.
Idk, I'm perfectly fine with the fake powers she has now :D

[jmc247]

Because thats how Professor X got his powers back.
Idk, I'm perfectly fine with the fake powers she has now :D

Marvel has a ready made Deus ex machina near Lorna that Bru has already gave the ability to reactivate mutants x-genes. It avoids a future writer having to come up with another Deus ex machina to reactivate her X-gene.

She is going to be a mutant again. The question is simply when and how. I would rather it be sooner rather then later.

[rilokyle]

As much as I love Havok and Polaris, and it goes without saying that I would buy any book they appeared in... I have ZERO interest in a Starjammers series. I want them out of space ASAP. This Vulcan story has dragged on long enough and I can't understand why Marvel insists on keeping it going. Space is so 1995.

[Animalia]

As much as I love Havok and Polaris, and it goes without saying that I would buy any book they appeared in... I have ZERO interest in a Starjammers series. I want them out of space ASAP. This Vulcan story has dragged on long enough and I can't understand why Marvel insists on keeping it going. Space is so 1995.

I don't think the storyline was a stupid idea, I think it was just executed badly which made it unenjoyable.

[jmc247]

I don't think the storyline was a stupid idea, I think it was just executed badly which made it unenjoyable.

The biggest two problems are not the execution and the premise, the biggest two problems are the length and keeping the X-Men in space. It could have worked as a 7 issue series where Vulcan becomes Emperor and all the X-Men go home in defeat. And, five years later Vulcan comes back and invades Earth and the X-Men have to make a team to fight him in another 7 issue series.

Instead they dumped Havok, Rachel, and Vulcan in space for several years with the single mission to kill Vulcan which of course they aren't allowed to do. So, there characters are treading water for several years just waiting for the Uncanny X-Men to show up and kick Vulcan's ass. Lorna, Havok, and Rachel's story and character development in the comics have been put on a 4 to 5 year hiatus in order to take down a villian they aren't allowed to take down, because Marvel is saving up the final battle to be with the Uncanny X-Men sometime down the road.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

Starjammers - Corsair = Turd Sammich

[Daithi]

Starjammers - Corsair = Turd Sammich

True. Now they seem to be a satellite x-team in limbo.

[jmc247]

True. Now they seem to be a satellite x-team in limbo.

Earth limbo looks really darn good for the characters right now, at least there instead of being stuck in space limbo they could be show up on different ongoings every now and then until they get picked up again as regulars.

Pietro has been in limbo on Earth since HoM as he hasn't been a regular on any series, but he has had quite a bit of character development and page time on several different comics since then and had his own Son of M mini. I suspect Alex, Lorna, or Havok could develop more as characters in six months in limbo on Earth then they could in half a decade in space fighting Vulcan.

[Diablito]

I wouldn't buy it. It's just a lame story by now.

[HulkSmash666]

I'd buy a Starjammers mini, based soley on the fact I want to see more of Ch'od and Raza.

These two are awesome characters that need more air-time.

I want to see more of Ch'od's background as a slave, and his life before among his race of Saurids.
He's extremelly intelligent, has a razor sharp wit, and is a beast in combat. It's never really been established just how powerful he really is, or how skillful he is in combat, so that's something I'd like to see more of.

Raza is the teams beserker warrior, whose whole race died in a last ditch suicidal attack agaisnt the Shi'ar during a war between the two races.
How did he get his cyborg parts, and to what extent does the man start and the machine ends?
A true space pirate by nature, his rapport with Ch'od and his warrior heart give him potential for great dialogue and story telling.

I'd also like to see flash backs to when Corsair came to meet them, and what his experiences as a human trapped in this hellish alien prison world was really like.
Imagine being an ordinary human one day, then the next you and your wife are kidnaped by aliens, your wife is experimented on an killed, her unborn child taken away to who knows where, and then your getting dumped on a Shi'ar prison planet straight out of your worst nightmare.

It would be friggin terrorfying from a realistic point of view.

All that in such a short ammount of time. And then a giant lizard-like beast starts talking to you and tries being your friend, and you actually understand what he's saying.
If the fact a giant lizardman was actually speaking wasn't doing your head in, wait until you see the scary cyborg with a leather and blade fetish. Or the furry cat-lady with a tail that sounds as if she's purring when she talks that you somehow find attractive when every fibre of your being says that's wrong in so many ways.

It'd be fun to see a modernised version of this story, with a real gritty and realistic take of the events that lead to formation of the galaxy's greatest pirate team.

[ClanAskani]

Rachel should be in Cable, helping her brother. I haven't read a lot of their interactions, but from what I've read here, they seem pretty close to me.

This is like the first time in 7 years that Cable's going back to connecting with the X-Men and Scott, and the chance that there could be some follow-up on everything that transpired between Rachel and Nathan. But Rachel's in space and Nathan's in the future. It's so frustrating.

I'm not a fan of anything in space, so the Starjammers don't interest me that much. The core story of the Summers family vs Gabriel had potential, but has fizzled. The lack of any kind of satisfying conclusion has made the story so disappointing. Part of me hopes there's a good ending to it so this wasn't a complete waste of time, but I wouldn't mind it all ending off panel so that Rachel, Alex and Lorna could move on to bigger and better things.

[jmc247]

This is like the first time in 7 years that Cable's going back to connecting with the X-Men and Scott, and the chance that there could be some follow-up on everything that transpired between Rachel and Nathan. But Rachel's in space and Nathan's in the future. It's so frustrating.

I'm not a fan of anything in space, so the Starjammers don't interest me that much. The core story of the Summers family vs Gabriel had potential, but has fizzled. The lack of any kind of satisfying conclusion has made the story so disappointing. Part of me hopes there's a good ending to it so this wasn't a complete waste of time, but I wouldn't mind it all ending off panel so that Rachel, Alex and Lorna could move on to bigger and better things.

An off ending pannel for Lorna, Havok, and Rachel at least until Bru decideds to write his Emperor Vulcan finale where the Uncanny team go into space to kick his ass and save Earth. There is no reason whatsoever they need to be kept in limbo in space for 2 or 3 years just to be saved by the Uncanny X-Men. In fact I think doing that would anger fans far more then bringing them home to warn about the danger and then a few years later doing the epic Sha'ir vs Uncanny X-Men battle.

[Askani's Flame]

Did I read somewhere that down the line that Rachel, Alex and Lorna will comeback from space and rejoin the X-men after this dangling plotline is resolved? I feel like I did, or maybe I dreamed it.

[jmc247]

Did I read somewhere that down the line that Rachel, Alex and Lorna will comeback from space and rejoin the X-men after this dangling plotline is resolved? I feel like I did, or maybe I dreamed it.

The X-Men editors reciently said the Vulcan storyline was about half finished at this point, meaning it will probably be at least 2 years before the final battle with Vulcan vs the Uncanny X-Men happens. However, they don't have to be in space for the next 2 to 3 years just waiting for Cyke and Emma to save the day, though I fear they will be.

[ClanAskani]

Did I read somewhere that down the line that Rachel, Alex and Lorna will comeback from space and rejoin the X-men after this dangling plotline is resolved? I feel like I did, or maybe I dreamed it.

Yeah, eventually it will continue in Uncanny X-Men. Sometime. It seems like Uncanny's writers have complete creative control of the characters and it's their choice when and if the story is resolved.

[Polaris Rocks]

Yeah, eventually it will continue in Uncanny X-Men. Sometime. It seems like Uncanny's writers have complete creative control of the characters and it's their choice when and if the story is resolved.

I still don't understand why Bru left them in space. The battle of Vulcan vs the Uncanny X-Men would have been far more interesting and fans would have been far more primed for it if Vulcan had simply dissapered for a few years and Alex, Lorna, and Rachel returned to Earth in limbo to play reoccuring roles on series like Legacy and others.

Leaving Alex, Lorna, and Rachel in space has just angered fans of those characters that once had some interest in the Vulcan plot line. This could end up being half a decade in limbo in space before we are said and done. And, having the Uncanny team come save them isn't going to make fans of the characters stuck in this never ending plotline happy.

[ClanAskani]

I don't get it either. I'm not sure if it's been a problem where other events have bumped it (Vulcan can't invade Earth if the Skrulls are invading Earth).

It's not like the other writers don't want to use Alex, Rachel and Lorna. But they can't until the Vulcan storyline is finished.

[Polaris Rocks]

I don't get it either. I'm not sure if it's been a problem where other events have bumped it (Vulcan can't invade Earth if the Skrulls are invading Earth).

It's not like the other writers don't want to use Alex, Rachel and Lorna. But they can't until the Vulcan storyline is finished.

The sad thing is Marvel very well may wait a year or two until after the Skrull invasion to deal with Lorna, Havok, Rachel, and bring in the Uncanny X-Men.

I don't think they want back to back invasions of Earth by alien races.

[jmc247]

I wouldn't buy it. It's just a lame story by now.

Even though I love Lorna I wouldn't buy an ongoing which would contribute to them staying in space.

[Jack Flash]

I'm with Joe Acro. Make him part of the next Annihilation series. The Shi'ar are major players, them and the Badoon and the Dire Wraiths too for that matter need to show up!

Plus the StarJammers are full of kickass.