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Joe Acro
03-20-2008, 05:54 PM
Provided below the sales rankings and numbers for the X-Books in February of 2008. The numbers in the parentheses, unless otherwise specified, are the previous issues' statistics.

#1 - X-Force #1 (Divided We Stand) - 105,149

#10 - Uncanny X-Men #495 (DWS) - 90,410 (#9, 105,666)

#12 - X-Men #208 (DWS) - 88,132 (#7, 112,026)

#24 - Wolverine #62 (DWS) - 64,197 (#27, 65,143)

#27 - X-Factor #28 (DWS) - 56,572 (#17, 86,743)

#33 - Wolverine: Origins #22 - 50,324 (#32, 55,540)

#35 - Ultimate X-Men #91 - 49,062 (#35, 53,549)

#58 - New Exiles #2 - 31,355 (#44, 46,891)

#88 - Cable & Deadpool #50 - 23,927 (#92, 25,194)

#130 - X-Men: First Class #9 - 15,320 (#128, 17,305)

#231 - New Exiles #0 - 4,611

#252 - New Exiles #1 - 3,765 (#44, 46,891--previous month's sales)


And sort of related...

#80 - New Warriors #9 - 25,694 (#76, 30,726)

Also, if you would like to review past months...
September 2007 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=194616)
October 2007 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=198349)
November 2007 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=201918)
December 2007 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=206489)
January 2008 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=210131)

worstblogever
03-20-2008, 05:56 PM
Thanks, Joe!

As I was saying in another thread... New Exiles dropped 28.6% off its first issue. Nothing unheard of, and we'll have to wait another issue or two to see how much of an audience this book actually has.

RolandJP
03-20-2008, 05:58 PM
wow it wasnt 20,000 or 15,000 as some thought. Way to go Chris!!

timbox
03-20-2008, 05:58 PM
No love for the last issue of Cable & Deadpool :(

It was awesome people!!

La Fea
03-20-2008, 06:05 PM
Wow, New Warriors looks like its in trouble.

Cool to see X-Men and X-Factor still doing relatively well!

worstblogever
03-20-2008, 06:10 PM
wow it wasnt 20,000 or 15,000 as some thought. Way to go Chris!!

It's really sad how you're rallying around 30,000.

I had thought it would be 50,000, with as much as you've kept touting how it "OMG SOLD OUT!!!!"

Like I said, give it a few months.

And it's funny... this is the same discussion I had with you four months ago about Black Panther sales when I pointed out how they were dropping off. How'd that turn out? ;)

Brian M.
03-20-2008, 06:29 PM
It's really sad how you're rallying around 30,000.

I had thought it would be 50,000, with as much as you've kept touting how it "OMG SOLD OUT!!!!"

Like I said, give it a few months.

And it's funny... this is the same discussion I had with you four months ago about Black Panther sales when I pointed out how they were dropping off. How'd that turn out? ;)

It's getting a Secret Invasion tie-in.

worstblogever
03-20-2008, 06:30 PM
It's getting a Secret Invasion tie-in.

Which, I predicted that would be the next time BP sales would in any way increase.

But the current arc's gotta end, first. We're still 2-3 months from that.

Brian M.
03-20-2008, 06:30 PM
The sales decrease in Uncanny is kinda sad, hopefully it'll jump up again before #500. In Brubaker and Fraction we trust.

First Class sales drop is a little sad too. But the book is still selling fine and in no danger since technically it's classified as a Marvel Adentures title and I believe it's selling head and shoulders over those. Keep on keeping on Mr. Parker.

Brian M.
03-20-2008, 06:32 PM
Which, I predicted that would be the next time BP sales would in any way increase.

But the current arc's gotta end, first. We're still 2-3 months from that.

After that we're gonna give Storm twins, artifically acclerate her birthing process so it'll take 2-3 issues. Wakanda has that technology.

After that it'll be a special sweet sixteen issue for the twins. What color car will T'Challa get them? I predict black.

Then after that we'll get a special tie in to the next chapter in Annihilation. Arm bar lock for the win.

After that...who knows.

worstblogever
03-20-2008, 06:41 PM
After that we're gonna give Storm twins, artifically acclerate her birthing process so it'll take 2-3 issues. Wakanda has that technology.

After that it'll be a special sweet sixteen issue for the twins. What color car will T'Challa get them? I predict black.

Then after that we'll get a special tie in to the next chapter in Annihilation. Arm bar lock for the win.

After that...who knows.

Oh, I know. T'Challa starts collecting the Infinity Gems, and gets them all into the Infinity Gauntlet. Then, he develops a process to pressurize vibranium while getting the blessing of the Panther God to make a seventh Infinity Gem, known as the "Blacktastic" Gem. He then rewrites reality to where the rest of the Illuminati have to visit him everyday, and admit he's smarter, more handsome, and has way cooler stuff than they do.

Then Storm asks if they can start having 3-ways with random black female Marvel characters, like Misty Knight, Monica Rambeau, and maybe Rihanna because T'Challa is just too much man for her to handle alone.

Barack Obama gets elected president, and allows Wakanda to annex the U.S., since it is so superior a nation.

T'Challa writes his autobiography. Oprah puts it as #1 on her book club.

Eternity resigns, knowing she won't outlive T'Challa.

Galactus challenges him to the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest in New York, and loses.

Etc. Etc.

And, funny story. Sales on the book are still miserable outside of crossovers.

Dizzy D
03-20-2008, 06:50 PM
#1 - X-Force #1 (Divided We Stand) - 105,149
- I expected it to do well: it's a no1, but it has done better than I even expected.

#10 - Uncanny X-Men #495 (DWS) - 90,410 (#9, 105,666)
- Drop after the crossover to be expected, still doing pretty well. A bit up from pre-crossover numbers.

#12 - X-Men #208 (DWS) - 88,132 (#7, 112,026)
- Again a bit up from pre-crossover.

#24 - Wolverine #62 (DWS) - 64,197 (#27, 65,143)
Nothing out of the ordinary. Was expecting better with Aaron's first issue though. (I thought that 61 sold less than 65k though.

#27 - X-Factor #28 (DWS) - 56,572 (#17, 86,743)
Up from it's pre-Crossover sales, and a lot up compared to a year ago. Doing great. Can't wait for the new teammembers though.

#33 - Wolverine: Origins #22 - 50,324 (#32, 55,540)
Normal sales it seems.

#35 - Ultimate X-Men #91 - 49,062 (#35, 53,549)
More level than it was, but a year ago, this book was doing around 65k.

#58 - New Exiles #2 - 31,355 (#44, 46,891)
And back again where it was pre-relaunch.

#88 - Cable & Deadpool #50 - 23,927 (#92, 25,194)
- Would have expected better sales on this. Usually 50s, 100s etc. do better. But the cancelled tag probably worked against it.

#130 - X-Men: First Class #9 - 15,320 (#128, 17,305)
Seems around level.

#231 - New Exiles #0 - 4,611

#252 - New Exiles #1 - 3,765 (#44, 46,891--previous month's sales)


And sort of related...

#80 - New Warriors #9 - 25,694 (#76, 30,726)
Ouch, that one isn't doing well. (And I'm partly to blame, I've dropped it. Too many better books around with too little funds to justify my expenses on this hoping it'll get better.)

Note: The numbers for the previous issues are a lot higher than the number The Beat has for last month. Could put my comparisons of a bit.

DeniseXfrost
03-20-2008, 09:07 PM
I didn't expect Xforce to 1st really.... Uncanny's drop is a bit sad.

Optic Rage!
03-20-2008, 09:18 PM
Provided below the sales rankings and numbers for the X-Books in February of 2008. The numbers in the parentheses, unless otherwise specified, are the previous issues' statistics.

#1 - X-Force #1 (Divided We Stand) - 105,149


Just to be a complete ass

For the haters...

NYAH NYAH NO ONE CARES IF YOU DONT LIKE A X-MEN DEATH SQUAD.

You = FAIL.

X-Force = WIN.

worstblogever
03-20-2008, 09:26 PM
Just to be a complete ass

For the haters...

NYAH NYAH NO ONE CARES IF YOU DONT LIKE A X-MEN DEATH SQUAD.

You = FAIL.

Lupine Avengers = WIN.

Fixed it for ya.

Optic Rage!
03-20-2008, 09:29 PM
Eh.

Same thing.

Flâneur
03-20-2008, 09:32 PM
Just to be a complete ass

For the haters...

NYAH NYAH NO ONE CARES IF YOU DONT LIKE A X-MEN DEATH SQUAD.

You = FAIL.

X-Force = WIN.

And New Excalibur sold more than Cable & Deadpool or First Class, while Austen's tenure sold better than any of the non-core books.;)

RoguishGurl
03-20-2008, 09:34 PM
And New Excalibur sold more than Cable & Deadpool or First Class, while Austen's tenure sold better than any of the non-core books.;)

Aw, don't be a party pooper. :p

X-Force is all kinds of sexy.

Optic Rage!
03-20-2008, 09:37 PM
And New Excalibur sold more than Cable & Deadpool or First Class, while Austen's tenure sold better than any of the non-core books.;)

Yeah, but X-force is geting good reviews and is actually liked by the majorty

PARTY POOPER!!

Brian M.
03-20-2008, 09:40 PM
I didn't expect Xforce to 1st really.... Uncanny's drop is a bit sad.

Well considering the top book was under the mark of what Uncanny sold LAST MONTH, it's all relative.

Flâneur
03-20-2008, 09:40 PM
Yeah, but X-force is geting good reviews and is actually liked by the majorty

PARTY POOPER!!

X-Axis gave NEX good reviews, as did any number of consumers of Claremont's work. Judging by Austen's sales he also was liked by the majority. I'm just teasing! I haven't actually read any X-force yet lawl, waiting for the trade.

La Fea
03-20-2008, 09:41 PM
Does anyone have a link to that analysis thingy Paul O'Brien does?

Optic Rage!
03-20-2008, 09:42 PM
X-Axis gave NEX good reviews, as did any number of consumers of Claremont's work. Judging by Austen's sales he also was liked by the majority. I'm just teasing! I haven't actually read any X-force yet lawl, waiting for the trade.

Really? thats pretty fucked up.

But still, X-Force owns so yay!

Also, Dont tease me, I'm sensitive.

streator
03-20-2008, 09:54 PM
Provided below the sales rankings and numbers for the X-Books in February of 2008. The numbers in the parentheses, unless otherwise specified, are the previous issues' statistics.

#1 - X-Force #1 (Divided We Stand) - 105,149

#10 - Uncanny X-Men #495 (DWS) - 90,410 (#9, 105,666)

#12 - X-Men #208 (DWS) - 88,132 (#7, 112,026)

#24 - Wolverine #62 (DWS) - 64,197 (#27, 65,143)

#27 - X-Factor #28 (DWS) - 56,572 (#17, 86,743)

#33 - Wolverine: Origins #22 - 50,324 (#32, 55,540)

#35 - Ultimate X-Men #91 - 49,062 (#35, 53,549)

#58 - New Exiles #2 - 31,355 (#44, 46,891)

#88 - Cable & Deadpool #50 - 23,927 (#92, 25,194)

#130 - X-Men: First Class #9 - 15,320 (#128, 17,305)

good to see x-force at # 1, not as good to find out that it only sold 105,000.

ultimate x-men selling 49,000? that book has fallen a long way. new exiles is dropping quick, too.

Optic Rage!
03-20-2008, 09:55 PM
Yeah, after the fuss Marvel made about it selling out i actually thought it was going to sell well this week.

MuhollandDriver
03-20-2008, 09:56 PM
The number one comic barely sold a hundred thousand copies?

i was under the impression that comics sold in the hundreds of thousands. They did in the past. With all the comic book movies out...i thought they sold better. Wow.

streator
03-20-2008, 10:01 PM
The number one comic barely sold a hundred thousand copies?

i was under the impression that comics sold in the hundreds of thousands. They did in the past. With all the comic book movies out...i thought they sold better. Wow.

100,000+ is still a decent number, good even, at least over the last 6-8 years or more.

civil war was marvel's biggest comic in a while, and i think that sold 350,000 or so an issue (on average).

comics from marvel and dc are generally safe from cancellation as long as they sell above 25,000-30,000 a month (again, a generalization).

RolandJP
03-20-2008, 10:04 PM
It's really sad how you're rallying around 30,000.

I had thought it would be 50,000, with as much as you've kept touting how it "OMG SOLD OUT!!!!"

Like I said, give it a few months.

And it's funny... this is the same discussion I had with you four months ago about Black Panther sales when I pointed out how they were dropping off. How'd that turn out? ;)

What do you mean, the first issue sold close to your estimate..46,891 and it went back to print so it hit your 50,000 mark.

The only thing funny about your posts is thatyou ignored the order, the loners, H$H, antman, Blade and any number of other books that have sold low. But thats why i call you Foxnews, because you are always fair and balanced. :rolleyes:

MuhollandDriver
03-20-2008, 10:05 PM
100,000+ is still a decent number, good even, at least over the last 6-8 years or more.

civil war was marvel's biggest comic in a while, and i think that sold 350,000 or so an issue (on average).

comics from marvel and dc are generally safe from cancellation as long as they sell above 25,000-30,000 a month (again, a generalization).

Hhmm. i just had it in my head that comics sold much more. i thought the Claremont run sold more in its day. Didn't the nineties sell comics practically in the millions? That was the time i left the X-World. i returned this year.

IronKing
03-20-2008, 10:08 PM
Good to see X-Factor doing well. :)

I was worried about First Class, but I didn't know about that Marvel Adventures line.

And Exiles...ugh. Let it die, please.

streator
03-20-2008, 10:14 PM
Hhmm. i just had it in my head that comics sold much more. i thought the Claremont run sold more in its day. Didn't the nineties sell comics practically in the millions? That was the time i left the X-World. i returned this year.

comics did used to sell more, yes. pretty much across the line.

less people read comics these days for various reasons. too long to go into here.

x-men (2nd series) 1 sold over 8 million copies, the biggest selling comic of all time, again for various reasons. most other issues around then were not even close, but did sell better on average than the highest sellers today.

RolandJP
03-20-2008, 10:20 PM
comics did used to sell more, yes. pretty much across the line.

less people read comics these days for various reasons. too long to go into here.

x-men (2nd series) 1 sold over 8 million copies, the biggest selling comic of all time, again for various reasons. most other issues around then were not even close, but did sell better on average than the highest sellers today.

Darn subprime housing slump!!

MuhollandDriver
03-20-2008, 10:26 PM
comics did used to sell more, yes. pretty much across the line.

less people read comics these days for various reasons. too long to go into here.

x-men (2nd series) 1 sold over 8 million copies, the biggest selling comic of all time, again for various reasons. most other issues around then were not even close, but did sell better on average than the highest sellers today.

Wow. They do not even sell a fraction of that now do they.

How sad.

Novaya Havoc
03-20-2008, 10:26 PM
X-Axis gave NEX good reviews[/COLOR]

He also gave Die by the Sword decent reviews. Fail.

Joe Acro
03-20-2008, 10:51 PM
Wow. They do not even sell a fraction of that now do they.
Sure they do.

It's impossible to do otherwise.

Flâneur
03-20-2008, 10:59 PM
He also gave Die by the Sword decent reviews. Fail.

I'm not surprised it got decent reviews; it had Rouge Mort. Can't beat that.

MuhollandDriver
03-20-2008, 11:13 PM
Sure they do.

It's impossible to do otherwise.

Well..going from selling millions to barely a hundred thousand is significantly lower.

DarthCyclopsRLZ
03-20-2008, 11:52 PM
He also gave Die by the Sword decent reviews. Fail.

Amen to that.

And I'm totally laughing my ass off at the NEX drop, eh. Wonder how it would've done with the Sage variable being front and center.

DeniseXfrost
03-20-2008, 11:55 PM
Well considering the top book was under the mark of what Uncanny sold LAST MONTH, it's all relative.
True, but I want it to be 1st damnit!

DarthCyclopsRLZ
03-20-2008, 11:57 PM
Probably will be for #500.

And then everyone will switch over to follow the big canons in AXM, lol.

DeniseXfrost
03-21-2008, 12:01 AM
^Yeb yeb. I can't hardly wait for the second stage...really I have a very high expectation!

DarthCyclopsRLZ
03-21-2008, 12:09 AM
Not quite sure about my expectations.

Am just hoping Ellis will be real high rather than sober while writing it, eh.

darknessatnoon
03-21-2008, 01:28 AM
Amen to that.

And I'm totally laughing my ass off at the NEX drop, eh. Wonder how it would've done with the Sage variable being front and center.

Sage = Sales

worstblogever
03-21-2008, 02:03 AM
What do you mean, the first issue sold close to your estimate..46,891 and it went back to print so it hit your 50,000 mark.

The only thing funny about your posts is thatyou ignored the order, the loners, H$H, antman, Blade and any number of other books that have sold low. But thats why i call you Foxnews, because you are always fair and balanced. :rolleyes:

#2 didn't sell 50,000, sir. That would be #1 if you compile both printings. #2 still only sold 30,000.

And it's gonna get lower.

And you're right, all those books did sell low. And you know what? We didn't talk about them here, because they're not X-books. You know the other reason why I didn't bother talking about them? They've already been cancelled. It's a done deal. So why mention them as potentially being cancelled, when we already know it?

Take a statistics course. It might help you manage the numbers a bit better. ;)

Dizzy D
03-21-2008, 02:59 AM
Does anyone have a link to that analysis thingy Paul O'Brien does?

It isn't out yet for February.

here's January though:
http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/03/10/marvel-month-to-month-sales-january-2008-2/

Hhmm. i just had it in my head that comics sold much more. i thought the Claremont run sold more in its day. Didn't the nineties sell comics practically in the millions? That was the time i left the X-World. i returned this year.

True, they did sell more in the 90s, though those numbers are skewed as well: a lot of people were buying and selling comics in the hope they would get money out of it, going so far to stock up on multiple copies of certain "hot" books and so on.

La Fea
03-21-2008, 03:02 AM
#2 didn't sell 50,000, sir. That would be #1 if you compile both printings. #2 still only sold 30,000.

And it's gonna get lower.

And you're right, all those books did sell low. And you know what? We didn't talk about them here, because they're not X-books. You know the other reason why I didn't bother talking about them? They've already been cancelled. It's a done deal. So why mention them as potentially being cancelled, when we already know it?

Take a statistics course. It might help you manage the numbers a bit better. ;)

And Loners was a miniseries, dammit!

John Sage
03-21-2008, 05:45 PM
The sales decrease in Uncanny is kinda sad, hopefully it'll jump up again before #500. In Brubaker and Fraction we trust.


The sale decrease is sad but that title went from one of the most important x-cross overs in recent memory to a hippy-trippy arc which felt kind of... frivolous? I personally wasn't filled with much enthusiasim when I saw the preview for Feb's Uncanny. That being said, X-men Legends seemed like the spiritual sequel to Messiah Complex but that sold less than Uncanny (though details of what that title was about was all kinds of hazy until Messiah Complex was done with).

Aren't there reprints of most of the Divided We Stand issues - that will probably make this drop (and others) not seem as steep anyways.

Uncanny will almost certainly jump for #500 since that issue is being touted as the official return of the X-men. It will be interesting to see how Uncanny #500 does compared to adjectiveless #200.

Blade X
03-21-2008, 09:35 PM
Just to be a complete ass

For the haters...

NYAH NYAH NO ONE CARES IF YOU DONT LIKE A X-MEN DEATH SQUAD.

You = FAIL.

X-Force = WIN.

Not really.

variant cover + first issue + being part of the DWS (Divided We Stand) crossover = X-FORCE #1 being the number 1 selling book. In other words, it was MAINLY (NOT ONLY) gimmicks that made the book the top seller for February.

Blade X
03-21-2008, 09:52 PM
Yeah, but X-force is geting good reviews and is actually liked by the majorty

THE ORDER,AVENGERS INITIATIVE,NEXTWAVE,THE IRREDEEMABLE ANT-MAN, Priest's BLACK PANTHER run,SHE-HULK,and ELLIS THUNDERBOLTS got good reviews and are actually liked by the "majority" (read internet fans), but those books have either been canceled,are near cancellation,or currently rapidly shedding readers.

Blade X
03-21-2008, 09:57 PM
The number one comic barely sold a hundred thousand copies?

i was under the impression that comics sold in the hundreds of thousands. They did in the past. With all the comic book movies out...i thought they sold better. Wow.

Back in the 80's before the speculator boom, ALL Marvel and DC comics sold hundreds of thousands of comics. In fact, a Marvel and DC comic that was selling 100,000 copies back in those days was on the verge of being canceled.

Blade X
03-21-2008, 10:09 PM
Probably will be for #500.

And then everyone will switch over to follow the big canons in AXM, lol.

Yep, UXM #500 will definitely be a top seller because of (a) it's an anniversary issue and (b) because it will most likely have a variant cover.

AXM, OTOH, will under perform and sell much less then when Wheedon was writing the book. However, the inevitable variant covers MIGHT artificially keep sells high enough to make the book seem like a success.

Optic Rage!
03-21-2008, 10:09 PM
THE ORDER,AVENGERS INITIATIVE,NEXTWAVE,THE IRREDEEMABLE ANT-MAN, Priest's BLACK PANTHER run,SHE-HULK,and ELLIS THUNDERBOLTS got good reviews and are actually liked by the "majority" (read internet fans), but those books have either been canceled,are near cancellation,or currently rapidly shedding readers.

Er. Hello none of those books actually sold well...as for Thunderbolts, how long has that been delayed now?

X-force is getting GOOD reviews AND selling well.

Anyway you try and word it you fail.

X-Force is a sucess.

Blade X
03-21-2008, 10:18 PM
Er. Hello none of those books actually sold well...as for Thunderbolts, how long has that been delayed now?

X-force is getting GOOD reviews AND selling well.

Anyway you try and word it you fail.

X-Force is a sucess.

AVENGERS INITIATIVE started out selling well.

Just because X-FORCE #1 sold well does not mean it will continue to sell well.

Hell, WOLVERINE ORIGINS started out selling really well (I even think it's first issue was the top selling book), but look at the sales of the book now.

Optic Rage!
03-21-2008, 10:27 PM
Yes but we are talking about it now.

X-Force is selling very well and is #1 NOW.

Therefore in this moment and time X-Force = Win.

If it starts to suck then im sure the sales will go down.

But as a venture, X-force was a resounding sucess.

_Jayme_
03-21-2008, 10:31 PM
AVENGERS INITIATIVE started out selling well.

Just because X-FORCE #1 sold well does not mean it will continue to sell well.

Hell, WOLVERINE ORIGINS started out selling really well (I even think it's first issue was the top selling book), but look at the sales of the book now.

Given it's first two issues have gone fantastic, I think it'll actually rise some.

Wolverine: Origins was destined to fall with all the Wolverine books out there.

RoguishGurl
03-21-2008, 10:36 PM
Yes but we are talking about it now.

X-Force is selling very well and is #1 NOW.

Therefore in this moment and time X-Force = Win.

If it starts to suck then im sure the sales will go down.

But as a venture, X-force was a resounding sucess.
I was just going to say this, but you've said it better than I could have.

Given it's first two issues have gone fantastic, I think it'll actually rise some.

Wolverine: Origins was destined to fall with all the Wolverine books out there.
Word my sista!

Blade X
03-21-2008, 11:00 PM
Yes but we are talking about it now.

X-Force is selling very well and is #1 NOW.

Therefore in this moment and time X-Force = Win.

If it starts to suck then im sure the sales will go down.

But as a venture, X-force was a resounding sucess.

Actually, we are talking about LAST MONTHS sales.

Speaking ONLY for the comic shop I work at, I can tell you we have plenty of copies of X-FORCE #1 and 2 collecting dust on our shelves. Of course, it is quite possible that the book either sold very well or sold out at other comic shops.

RoguishGurl
03-21-2008, 11:02 PM
Actually, we are talking about LAST MONTHS sales.

Speaking ONLY for the comic shop I work at, I can tell you we have plenty of copies of X-FORCE #1 and 2 collecting dust on our shelves. Of course, it is quite possible that the book either sold very well or sold out at other comic shops.

I need to move where you live at because at my comic shop I had to order copies and wait for them because they have been sold out.

Optic Rage!
03-21-2008, 11:06 PM
Actually, we are talking about LAST MONTHS sales.

Speaking ONLY for the comic shop I work at, I can tell you we have plenty of copies of X-FORCE #1 and 2 collecting dust on our shelves. Of course, it is quite possible that the book either sold very well or sold out at other comic shops.

Really?

Most people i know had trouble getting thier hands on a copy as my LCS underestimated the demand.

Blade X
03-21-2008, 11:11 PM
Given it's first two issues have gone fantastic, I think it'll actually rise some.

Wolverine: Origins was destined to fall with all the Wolverine books out there.

I disagree with your first point, but I agree with your 2nd point.

Blade X
03-21-2008, 11:30 PM
I need to move where you live at because at my comic shop I had to order copies and wait for them because they have been sold out.

Trust me, ordering comics is a very difficult thing to do. Sometimes you order too much and sometimes you order too little.

Books that we think are going to be huge sellers for us, we order 75 to 125 copies. Books that we think wont sell so well for us, we order 2 to 25 copies. Books that we think could go either way, we take a middle ground approach and order 30 to 60 copies. In the case of X-FORCE, we decided to take a "middle ground" approach to our orders for the first 2 issues and ordered 50 copies for the 1st issue and 40 copies for the 2nd.

worstblogever
03-22-2008, 12:00 AM
Actually, we are talking about LAST MONTHS sales.

Speaking ONLY for the comic shop I work at, I can tell you we have plenty of copies of X-FORCE #1 and 2 collecting dust on our shelves. Of course, it is quite possible that the book either sold very well or sold out at other comic shops.

You sure those X-Force #1s aren't the second printing that came out this week?

CmX
03-22-2008, 12:05 AM
Actually, we are talking about LAST MONTHS sales.

Speaking ONLY for the comic shop I work at, I can tell you we have plenty of copies of X-FORCE #1 and 2 collecting dust on our shelves. Of course, it is quite possible that the book either sold very well or sold out at other comic shops.

Only copy my shop has of #1 is the Hitch variant.

Blade X
03-22-2008, 01:14 AM
You sure those X-Force #1s aren't the second printing that came out this week?

Of course I'm sure. We didn't order any 2nd printings for X-FORCE #1 since we still had plenty of copies of #1 still sitting on the shelf.

Joe Acro
03-22-2008, 08:23 AM
X-Force #1 is #1 because it sold. Now, clearly it did not sell out of all comic shops, but it did sell out in others. This might mean that the shops still with copies will start ordering less and the ones without will start ordering more. It could balance out.

As for the argument that it only sold well due to a variant and being the first issue, I think we can agree that that's not the case. There are plenty of issue #1's with a variant cover that don't sell this well. New Exiles comes to mind.

There could be a boost due to the current event (although I'm not entirely sure event is the right word). But none of the X-Men titles sold that well within Messiah Complex, so I'm a little iffy in regards to that.

All three (variant, #1, and event) may play a role, but likely did not bring in the majority of readers.

Blade X
03-22-2008, 01:26 PM
X-Force #1 is #1 because it sold. Now, clearly it did not sell out of all comic shops, but it did sell out in others. This might mean that the shops still with copies will start ordering less and the ones without will start ordering more. It could balance out.

As for the argument that it only sold well due to a variant and being the first issue, I think we can agree that that's not the case. There are plenty of issue #1's with a variant cover that don't sell this well. New Exiles comes to mind.

There could be a boost due to the current event (although I'm not entirely sure event is the right word). But none of the X-Men titles sold that well within Messiah Complex, so I'm a little iffy in regards to that.

All three (variant, #1, and event) may play a role, but likely did not bring in the majority of readers.

You obviously don't COMPLETELY understand what sales these comic charts are tracking. These sales charts are not tracking sales to actual readers, but are tracking PRE-ORDER sales to comic shops.

Variant covers cause sales on an issue to be artificially inflated because dealers often have to order so many copies of a particular issue in order to get one variant cover. For example, a 1 in 20 variant cover could only be obtained by dealers if they order 20 copies of a particular issue. In other words, if a dealer wanted (for whatever reason) to get 5 variant covers of a particular issue, they would have to order 100 copies in order to get those 5 variant covers.

It is a known FACT that dealers always order more copies of a 1st issue or an issue of a comic that is part of a major crossover event.

Pach!
03-22-2008, 01:29 PM
So we should expect similar numbers to another satellite book, with variant cover that is tied to a main event: Young X-men?

La Fea
03-22-2008, 01:45 PM
So we should expect similar numbers to another satellite book, with variant cover that is tied to a main event: Young X-men?

Marvel_b0y says its good, so it must!

Pach!
03-22-2008, 01:47 PM
Marvel_b0y says its good, so it must!

LOL, It's like a Marel telenovela! I want to find out how it ends! My money is on Bendis being revealed as Marvel_b0y.

Joe Acro
03-22-2008, 01:53 PM
You obviously don't COMPLETELY understand what sales these comic charts are tracking. These sales charts are not tracking sales to actual readers, but are tracking PRE-ORDER sales to comic shops. I understand that perfectly well.

Variant covers cause sales on an issue to be artificially inflated because dealers often have to order so many copies of a particular issue in order to get one variant cover. For example, a 1 in 20 variant cover could only be obtained by dealers if they order 20 copies of a particular issue. In other words, if a dealer wanted (for whatever reason) to get 5 variant covers of a particular issue, they would have to order 100 copies in order to get those 5 variant covers.Okay. Nothing new.

It is a known FACT that dealers always order more copies of a 1st issue or an issue of a comic that is part of a major crossover event.Yes, they do (not that I would use the term "always" here). Anything else I already know?

Although, I'm not sure Divided We Stand is exactly a "major crossover event", but that's probably neither here nor there. For one, it isn't a crossover. It's a running theme in titles dealing with the aftermath of Messiah Complex. Like how the different titles dealt with Decimation without crossing with each other.

Daithi
03-22-2008, 02:15 PM
So we should expect similar numbers to another satellite book, with variant cover that is tied to a main event: Young X-men?

Is Wolverine in it? Sad but true.....

Blade X
03-22-2008, 06:28 PM
So we should expect similar numbers to another satellite book, with variant cover that is tied to a main event: Young X-men?

Maybe, maybe not. It all depends on the gimmicks Marvel employs to increase the sales on the book. If I was to hazard a guess, I would predict that YOUNG X-MEN #1 will sell between 60,000 and 80,000 copies.

Blade X
03-22-2008, 06:32 PM
Although, I'm not sure Divided We Stand is exactly a "major crossover event", but that's probably neither here nor there. For one, it isn't a crossover. It's a running theme in titles dealing with the aftermath of Messiah Complex. Like how the different titles dealt with Decimation without crossing with each other.

While DWS is technically not a crossover, many dealers most likely treated it as a crossover the way that they treated the INITIATIVE books as a crossover.

Jase Q
03-22-2008, 09:25 PM
Oh, I know. T'Challa starts collecting the Infinity Gems, and gets them all into the Infinity Gauntlet. Then, he develops a process to pressurize vibranium while getting the blessing of the Panther God to make a seventh Infinity Gem, known as the "Blacktastic" Gem. He then rewrites reality to where the rest of the Illuminati have to visit him everyday, and admit he's smarter, more handsome, and has way cooler stuff than they do.

Then Storm asks if they can start having 3-ways with random black female Marvel characters, like Misty Knight, Monica Rambeau, and maybe Rihanna because T'Challa is just too much man for her to handle alone.

Barack Obama gets elected president, and allows Wakanda to annex the U.S., since it is so superior a nation.

T'Challa writes his autobiography. Oprah puts it as #1 on her book club.

Eternity resigns, knowing she won't outlive T'Challa.

Galactus challenges him to the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest in New York, and loses.

Etc. Etc.

And, funny story. Sales on the book are still miserable outside of crossovers.

ROFLMAO!!!!
The sad thing is that this is REALLY something that Hudlin would do.
Sad Sad Sad.