Thor #7 *Spoilers*

[drwho]

The art for this is absolutely gorgeous and whoah did the story surprise me a little. All around an entertaining read for Thor fans.

Summary

Thor severely depowered must go into Odin sleep to renergize. So they stick him into some kind of stone tomb that is supposed to speed up his healing. The process causes Donald Blake to split from Thor. There is a funny scene where Donald says he needs a ladder to get down from Asgard. Evidently, he is going to look for Jane Foster. I really don't know why unless maybe they are gonna try to rekindle something there. What really surprised me is how odin sleep was described as being between life and death. Thor finds himself in the realm of the dead where he is confronted by Odin's ravens who talk to him some and then runs into his father in mortal combat with Surtur. We get a cool story about how Odin felt when his own father died that he let him go rather than bringing him back to the living. I'm a little amazed that Marvel would let JMS actually make Odin say that he didn't want to come back to the land of the living and officially giving Thor's rule as leader of the Asgards his okay especially since Odin has been made so much part of the Marvel mythos.

So unless things change next issue I'm really not sure where this book is going which is cool for a change.

[Toboe]

Excellent read, I throughly love this book. The fairy tale-like way in which it's written is fantastic. The art was spectacular as well. Coipel is great, but Djurdjevic is even more amazing.

I too was somewhat surprised here, I was expecting Odin to come back and oppose Thor's rule, yet it seems like he's giving Thor total control over Asgard now.

It will be interesting to see in what direction will Thor take the gods now.

Is there a history between Donald Blacke and Jane Foster? I'm a little lost there.

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Is there a history between Donald Blacke and Jane Foster? I'm a little lost there.Jane Foster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Foster_(comics))

She was the Lois Lane to his Clark Kent, back in the Silver Age.

[CMBMOOL]

Wow, that the same thing I heard Aunt may told Spider-man, but look what happen there? :(

[Bulky Brent]

I thought Thor Didn't have the Odin Force anymore.

[worstblogever]

I'm wondering if Bor or Bestia are going to end up playing a part in this series, or if they're just a fable for Odin to give forgiveness to Thor.

Really, some might think Thor disloyal for not resurrecting Odin. This whole issue, and probably the next leaves him still in possession of the moral high ground. Especially in a Marvel Universe with Tony Stark running things like a totalitarean, and Cyclops running a black-ops X-Men squad.

[ExodusCloak]

Odin breathed life into man? So much for the Celestials.

[worstblogever]

Odin breathed life into man? So much for the Celestials.

He mighta been fellating himself a bit, there.

[Brian M.]

Anyway to do a redo on the Secret Invasion artist? This stuff was georgous to look at.

[CaptainCanada]

I have a really hard time deciding what I think about this series, because apart from JMS' usual Iron Man hack job, the writing scene-to-scne is strong and has an appropriately mythic sensibility. but at the same time the pacing is utterly turgid, with virtually no forward plot movement (or plot, for that matter), and every issue revolves around more or less the same two or three philosophical discussions, over and over again.

She-Loki is very sexy.

[jhota]

He mighta been fellating himself a bit, there.

hey, Odin says he created man, i believe him. he's a god.

"Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"

just a whole "smile and nod" kind of thing...

plus, maybe he believes it.

[drwho]

Isn't Thor's mom Gaea? So I could see Odin possibly being involved in that.

[md62]

I think JMS really did a great job this issue & the art was spectacular!

[Camron Amaya]

Odin breathed life into man? So much for the Celestials.

The Celestials didn't create humankind, they made the two offshoots. Eternals and Deviants.

And Odin is speaking within the context of the Norse creation myths I guess.

[CaptainCanada]

And Odin is speaking within the context of the Norse creation myths I guess.
The DC and Marvel universes have the inherent problem with "who created the universe", since Thor's book really requires that Odin actually do it, like the Norse myths say; but you've also got Herc, and a bunch of others, and science-based explanations, etc. Wonder Woman has the same issue over at DC. You basically just have to accept that Odin made the world in this book, while other books may use another explanation.

[bfrank]

The DC and Marvel universes have the inherent problem with "who created the universe", since Thor's book really requires that Odin actually do it, like the Norse myths say; but you've also got Herc, and a bunch of others, and science-based explanations, etc. Wonder Woman has the same issue over at DC. You basically just have to accept that Odin made the world in this book, while other books may use another explanation.

I disagree, in that the Living Tribunal and the Spectre don't work for Odin or Zeus....

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And Odin is speaking within the context of the Norse creation myths I guess.Exactly. Whether it's true or not within the context of the greater shared universe (and it's not), it's something that needs to be true in a symbolic, mythic sense in order for these characters to be who they are within the context of their own stories. If that makes sense.

[LungerTony]

This was a great comic. Djurdjevic is awesome. Hands down.
His art was why I bought this comic.
I stopped buying Thor after 4. Got lost, didn't know the character beforehand and was confused. And hated his IM characterization.
After playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance, I learned more about Asgard and stuff (lol), and I love the artist, so I tried this one.

And after reading this...I plan to grab 4 and 5, and hop back on board.
I really like the idea of Thor taking over pretty much the leadership of the Norse Gods? from Odin. New change, and I really curious to see where it goes. Odin's story about how he gained power from Tor(?) was greatly awesome.
And those crows, accusing Thor of wanting the power, I thoguht was really good storytelling and really shows an interesting part of Thor, if not, just the awkward situation he finds himself.

Don't have a clue what's going on with Blake and don't figure anyone else does either.

And my only real "aint feeling it" with this issue was Odin creating mankind...as some posters discussed above already. So Thor is now taking over the position of the God of Creation? Eh...I'lll just ignore it.
I didn't know that...and I don't think that's true for MU?

[Lunal]

Ok I loved the art and the dialogue but the so-called story is still boring! Blake obviously agrees with me because the moment Thor goes to sleep he decides to head off and get his love on. Ah but then we get another looooong dream-like sequence where nothing happens except Ravens making quips and Odin getting all emo on us. Ack. Can we go back to the diner again, please? Can Loki someone or do something other than stand there looking sneaky? Could we see Dr. Doom for one single frame again, perhaps? Hell, I'd even take Dr. Bong at this point. This story needs an antagonist!

[LungerTony]

Ok I loved the art and the dialogue but the so-called story is still boring! Blake obviously agrees with me because the moment Thor goes to sleep he decides to head off and get his love on. Ah but then we get another looooong dream-like sequence where nothing happens except Ravens making quips and Odin getting all emo on us. Ack. Can we go back to the diner again, please? Can Loki someone or do something other than stand there looking sneaky? Could we see Dr. Doom for one single frame again, perhaps? Hell, I'd even take Dr. Bong at this point. This story needs an antagonist!

Lol. No denying its S-L-O-W.
That's why I dropped it originally.
But I think the conversations and the direction of this issue was FAR more interesting and entertaining than those past...though no denying, still a bit slow with the amount of action.

[Pyro]

Wow, that the same thing I heard Aunt may told Spider-man, but look what happen there? :(Tee hee... Good one. :D

I wonder who Blake was talking to when he went looking for Jane Foster. It was funny how he gave the airport people gold. If they didn't know it was real, I doubt they would have let him through in real life. I look forward to seeing Jane Foster in the book.

[mikekerr3]

Tee hee... Good one. :D

I wonder who Blake was talking to when he went looking for Jane Foster. It was funny how he gave the airport people gold. If they didn't know it was real, I doubt they would have let him through in real life. I look forward to seeing Jane Foster in the book.

They were pretty sure and At a 1000$ an OZ even if it it was not pure it would cover a ticket. Gold talks loudly.

[Sion]

Best book of the week. And in a week with Immortal Iron Fist and Captain America, saying that this was the best book of the week is real big praise.

[Chino]

Issue was OK, not as good as the first 6 imo. the art was sweet and i really liked the last few pages where Thor is in that netherworld thing place.

Few things though...my lord. How many times did that say that in the first 3-4 pages. Maybe thats the way its suppose to be, I dont know. I found it annoying lol. Also, Blake seemed different to me. He was too Peter Parker wannabe like. I'll admit I am a Thor noob but in the previous issues he
seemed more serious than he came off in the few panels he was in.

[Mitchel]

Even though the art has been excellent I was about to drop Thor. After reading it for so many years the stories have started to sound really repetitive but the mention of Jane Foster made me reconsider. Heres a character that always gets me interested. Jane Foster is Thor's Lana Lang, I've always thought they should made Jane Foster more important in the mythos and let the human/god marriage finally happen.

[Camron Amaya]

Odin creating mankind and other stuff like that isn't anything new in Marvel it's been mentioned before.

[Pyro]

Also, Blake seemed different to me. He was too Peter Parker wannabe like. I'll admit I am a Thor noob but in the previous issues he
seemed more serious than he came off in the few panels he was in.Yeah, that kinda threw me off, too. I get that as Donald Blake, he was out of his element up in Asgard, but still, he seemed too Peter Parker-ish.

Also, I thought this issue ended awkwardly. I mean, I know it's two issues, but seemed like a strange place to leave off.

[bd2999]

Odin breathed life into man? So much for the Celestials.

The Celestials didn't create humankind, they made the two offshoots. Eternals and Deviants.

And Odin is speaking within the context of the Norse creation myths I guess.

Odin did not create humanity, although many Asgardians believe it to be so. It really sort of depends on what myth you want to believe about how Asgardians were formed to start with. Most accounts by Marvel say that Earth first had the Elder gods and I believe Gea gave birth to humanity in one form or another, as animals, and then the elder gods got driven off by Demiurge except for Gea. Then the mess comes in, I think the most logical myth, says that the pantheons of gods were given birth around this time by the lingering power of the Elder gods getting the heck out of Dodge, or their actions that were given shape by humanity's faith. Now Marvels gods are not powered by faith but that might not have anything to do with just faith being formed into something more and then once you start with one guy he can kick start everything else in that.

On the other hand maybe Odin did do it, although it seems unlikely by nearly all accounts.

Celestials are responsible for Eternals, Deviants and putting the x gene into the population. That is what they did, not make everything. I think an Elder god can be given the most direct credit for it in how Marvel has shaped up over time.

[XPac]

Yeah, that kinda threw me off, too. I get that as Donald Blake, he was out of his element up in Asgard, but still, he seemed too Peter Parker-ish.

Also, I thought this issue ended awkwardly. I mean, I know it's two issues, but seemed like a strange place to leave off.

Yeah. I think it's great that they want to develop Donald Blakes personality a bit more as he does tend to come off pretty generic. But I think they need to do a better job developing a consistant voice for the character.

[Dorsai]

From my understanding, it is in continuity that Greek and Norse pantheons (among others) are really not gods at all but celestial (small "c") beings that have been CONVINCED they are gods. Much like Franklin Richards becoming Galactus, I thought there was a story somewhere that basically pitched the story of super-powerful aliens coming to Earth and humans essentially convinced them they were gods. If this is indeed the case, many of the things these gods "know" about themselves may not even be true.

Hercules recently set the bar for myths and legends in that he referred to the stories of the gods being myths and not an historical based timeline. For example, in the story Herc told, his labors were not penance for killing his family but happened prior to that. It could very well be that Odin's story never happened although he (Odin) may think it did.

[seekquaze]

Overall a great issue. I really liked the story about Bor. Puts Odin's relationship with Thor in a new light. Odin had become to Thor what Bor had been to Odin. An overbearing father who insisted his son be what he wanted him to be and not let that son seek his own path in life.

I know some people complain it is slow and maybe it is, but I think going much faster would be rushing it. Thor and all of Asgard have been through a major experience changing their entire nature. Going too fast would undermine the whole event and new status quo. I think some people want Thor to just start fighting the Absorbing Man again. There are forty plus years of stories like that. Go back and read those. People complain they want new stories and that is what JMS is giving them. Dan Jurgens started this path and JMS is continuing it.

As to other things going on such as the consequences of Civil War. That was addressed some in issue #3. I think that to Thor reassembling Asgard is more important than a clone Hercules destroyed months ago.

Finally, the whole Odin creating mankind. It isn't difficult to factor in. There are several possibilities. On Marvel Earth human civlization has risen and fallen several times. It is possible Odin created humans in an earlier period or several times. Another possibility is he created the humans that first dwelt in the frozen north. Modern science seems to think humans first evolved somewhere in central Africa. What's to say that in the MU while the evolved humans came from there the humans of different regions were not created by the gods of those regions to worship them?

[seekquaze]

From my understanding, it is in continuity that Greek and Norse pantheons (among others) are really not gods at all but celestial (small "c") beings that have been CONVINCED they are gods. Much like Franklin Richards becoming Galactus, I thought there was a story somewhere that basically pitched the story of super-powerful aliens coming to Earth and humans essentially convinced them they were gods. If this is indeed the case, many of the things these gods "know" about themselves may not even be true.

Hercules recently set the bar for myths and legends in that he referred to the stories of the gods being myths and not an historical based timeline. For example, in the story Herc told, his labors were not penance for killing his family but happened prior to that. It could very well be that Odin's story never happened although he (Odin) may think it did.

Actually, the Asgardians and Olympians are "gods" as defined in Marvel. Or at least the closet thing. The theory that they are some form of aliens from another planet has been proven wrong, but to anyone who does not consider them gods they are often called aliens. The god hunter Desak who had abilities to home in only on gods hunted both pantheons. They both wield certain mystical energies native to only gods.

One theory on how they grew is the unconscious dreams of mankind shaped the first gods in the early days from the energy left over from the dead Elder gods. But this is just one theory.

I think the story you are thinking of is either Earth X or Universe X, but that applies to a completely different continuity unrelated to the Marvel universe. In that universe Galactus eats planets not to consume the planet, but the celestial egg inside.

As far as myths, the traditional Marvel story is that while many myths have a basis in truth the passage of time has changed the stories. The monster Typhon is originally described as tall as a mountain with legs and arms of hundreds of serpents, but when Typhon appeared he was very different. Hercules stated the myth was an exaggeration. Other myths such as Hera admitting to being the one to cause Hercules' insanity that night are true.

In this case, Hercules made it quite clear that it was a myth and not historical fact. With their history it is difficult to know which stories about the gods are fact and which are fictionally. It is possible they may not even be able to completely tell anymore.

[Will.S]

Overall a great issue. I really liked the story about Bor. Puts Odin's relationship with Thor in a new light. Odin had become to Thor what Bor had been to Odin. An overbearing father who insisted his son be what he wanted him to be and not let that son seek his own path in life.

I know some people complain it is slow and maybe it is, but I think going much faster would be rushing it. Thor and all of Asgard have been through a major experience changing their entire nature. Going too fast would undermine the whole event and new status quo. I think some people want Thor to just start fighting the Absorbing Man again. There are forty plus years of stories like that. Go back and read those. People complain they want new stories and that is what JMS is giving them. Dan Jurgens started this path and JMS is continuing it.

As to other things going on such as the consequences of Civil War. That was addressed some in issue #3. I think that to Thor reassembling Asgard is more important than a clone Hercules destroyed months ago.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

I was a little iffy about the book from the start of the issue but as it went on, it really shed more light onto why Thor was hesitant to bring back Odin. Given Odin's story here it makes total sense and I'm very pleased to see that JMS isn't recycling the old Thor stories or following an old standard to create fresh takes on the Asgardians. I also liked Thor mentioning to Hugin and Minin how he couldn't bring back Odin because he died before Ragnarok so there's a set of rules established, even if vaguely.

I also liked Donald Blake's characterization, although this is probably the most outgoing that we've seen him but perhaps that was in contrast to the Asgardians. Marko's art I think got better as the issue progressed but it was initially a little rough. I do think that his sequential storytelling is very good and has improved vastly since his painted DD issue so I'd like to see him try more sequential's with the painted look again especially after his Mighty Avengers stuff.

Colorwise, again I was hoping for Laura Martin to color his stuff but Helena Djurdjevic does a good job. It almost looked like a fusion of Laura Villiari and Laura Martin so it was slightly on the dull side but consistent nontheless. I particularly liked the art in Odin's story.

Even though this issue didn't really have a whole lot of action, it's telling a very good story and that's enough for me right now. That's not to say that I don't want to see action since I really want to see Thor unleash on some foes, but when an issue is this well done then huge action scenes doesn't become as big of a priority.

8/10

[Magneto Rocks]

This was 100% my favourite issue so far. And I've LOVED the relaunch. JMS can stay for as long as he damn well pleases, he's got the mythological side down perfectly. This issue basically dismissed my fears about Thor being "too grounded", and returned to the Simonson-style focus on the mythology that I've always loved about Thor. As long as we get issues like these every so often, I have no problem with all the human stuff. And the art? Even better than Coipel; beautiful.

Add in the little shiver I got when Jane Foster was mentioned, and all is perfect. I'll admit, when I heard JMS talking about the book originally, I wondered if he planned to virtually invent a new Thor rather than bringing back all the old characters etc. The first issue or two heightened my anxiety. But since then, we've seen that nothing goes unmentioned without a reason, and he hadn't forgotten about Odin or Jane or any of that stuff at all.

Seriously, I give this issue 10/10, I can't wait for #8.

[Kyle_Ion]

Actually, the Asgardians and Olympians are "gods" as defined in Marvel. Or at least the closet thing. The theory that they are some form of aliens from another planet has been proven wrong, but to anyone who does not consider them gods they are often called aliens. The god hunter Desak who had abilities to home in only on gods hunted both pantheons. They both wield certain mystical energies native to only gods.

One theory on how they grew is the unconscious dreams of mankind shaped the first gods in the early days from the energy left over from the dead Elder gods. But this is just one theory.

I think the story you are thinking of is either Earth X or Universe X, but that applies to a completely different continuity unrelated to the Marvel universe. In that universe Galactus eats planets not to consume the planet, but the celestial egg inside.

As far as myths, the traditional Marvel story is that while many myths have a basis in truth the passage of time has changed the stories. The monster Typhon is originally described as tall as a mountain with legs and arms of hundreds of serpents, but when Typhon appeared he was very different. Hercules stated the myth was an exaggeration. Other myths such as Hera admitting to being the one to cause Hercules' insanity that night are true.

In this case, Hercules made it quite clear that it was a myth and not historical fact. With their history it is difficult to know which stories about the gods are fact and which are fictionally. It is possible they may not even be able to completely tell anymore.

Thor and the Asgardians including the Olympians are called gods by marvel. I'm not sure about the other pantheons. Besides Thors mother is Gaea an Elder God the mother of Earth. I also read somewhere that even though they are gods that they are not immortal like the Olympians.

[StoneGold]

It seems like I say this every month, but it's slow, but deliberate. It's slow like No Country for Old Men is slow. As in the plot might not be rapid fire, but there isn't a single panel of wasted space. This is Watchmen slow. Because no, it didn't take 12 issues to get to "I did it 20 minutes ago." But it took that long anyway.

[Imraith Nimphais]

This was 100% my favourite issue so far. And I've LOVED the relaunch. JMS can stay for as long as he damn well pleases, he's got the mythological side down perfectly. This issue basically dismissed my fears about Thor being "too grounded", and returned to the Simonson-style focus on the mythology that I've always loved about Thor. As long as we get issues like these every so often, I have no problem with all the human stuff. And the art? Even better than Coipel; beautiful.

Add in the little shiver I got when Jane Foster was mentioned, and all is perfect. I'll admit, when I heard JMS talking about the book originally, I wondered if he planned to virtually invent a new Thor rather than bringing back all the old characters etc. The first issue or two heightened my anxiety. But since then, we've seen that nothing goes unmentioned without a reason, and he hadn't forgotten about Odin or Jane or any of that stuff at all.

Seriously, I give this issue 10/10, I can't wait for #8.

WHAT you said...and then some.:D

[IronKing]

I just made a big mistake.

First, I read Eternals.

Then, I read Thor.

My brain has literally stopped working because of this paradox. lol

[Xero]

Humanity evolved on their own, the Gods probably took credit for the creation of specific cultures not people. Maybe Odin created the foundations of Norse culture.

[Frodo-X]

I am really loving this book. Personally, I'm enjoying the pacing. With something as big as Thor can be, it's good that JMS is taking his time. Plus, I like that there's at least one Marvel book I'm reading that doesn't have to throw a fight at you every issue to fill the page count.

And there's no denying Djurdjevic can handle interiors. I'm not usually an art guy, but that's some pretty stuff. Only question is how quickly he can work. How much time did it take for him to do these two issues? (This one and the next.) If he can handle cranking out a monthly book, I don't think he'll be doing all covers for very long.

[Lunal]

I'll admit, when I heard JMS talking about the book originally, I wondered if he planned to virtually invent a new Thor rather than bringing back all the old characters etc.

I agree, an despite my complaints about lack of action it is good to see this book stay pretty true to the character's roots. Knowing JMS it was hard to predict what was going to happen. But I do like the whole notion of the son taking over for the father, and how its pretty clear that Odin isn't going to come back. Thats one break from the character's history I am happy to see.

[edhopper]

Okay, who else thinks that on the last page, Odin looks a little too much like this guy from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"?
http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/movies/slideshow/top-ten-movie-wizards/img_2.jpg

[Tobias Drake]

Okay, who else thinks that on the last page, Odin looks a little too much like this guy from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"?
http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/movies/slideshow/top-ten-movie-wizards/img_2.jpg

Personally, I think Loki has ALWAYS looked too much like that guy. :p

Edited for emphasis.

[lonewolf23k]

Humanity evolved on their own, the Gods probably took credit for the creation of specific cultures not people. Maybe Odin created the foundations of Norse culture.

My simple explanation: Odin honestly believes he created humanity. Even if he most probably didn't.

[jpk]

My simple explanation: Odin honestly believes he created humanity. Even if he most probably didn't.

Perhaps it's old-fashioned senility: "Remember that time I created humans? Anyone?..."

On a serious note, this is a Norse god's book, so I think we are meant to accept the mythos of Odin et al for the purpose of this title. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Trey]

What is everyone talking about? Each culture has thier own creation myth. I thought everyone knew this? From http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/creation.html

"Odin gave the man and the woman spirit and life"

He and his brothers killed Ymir and that created the earth, followed by a man and a woman.

Now of course, in Marvel Continuity, each pantheon claims this. Since JMS is writing Thor, he's sticking with the Norse version of earth's creation.

[Trey]

Perhaps it's old-fashioned senility: "Remember that time I created humans? Anyone?..."

On a serious note, this is a Norse god's book, so I think we are meant to accept the mythos of Odin et al for the purpose of this title. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ah you beat me to it.

[bd2999]

I have liked the series so far, good stuff.

[Lunal]

Ya know, just looking over that last issue. It almost seemed as if there might be some sexual tension growing between Thor and She-Loki. Does this bother anyone?

[brb2323]

As almost everyone says in this board, the art was amazing. I found myself in awe on many different pages of this book. The story was very entertaining as well, and this may have been my favorite overall book of this series so far. Can't wait for the next one!

[estee]

Great art.

Story was okay.

But I never wanted to kill my father. I actually like the old guy. ;)

[jpk]

Ya know, just looking over that last issue. It almost seemed as if there might be some sexual tension growing between Thor and She-Loki. Does this bother anyone?

Technically Lokita is his half-sister, right? Dos that make it more OK?

[Lunal]

Technically Lokita is his half-sister, right? Dos that make it more OK?

A little better. I admit it would be cool if the Frost Giants became Thor's inlaws.

[StoneGold]

Technically Lokita is his half-sister, right? Dos that make it more OK?

Not half, adopted. That said, we're talking about gods here, incest is like their official past time.

[Bryson the Red]

Not half, adopted. That said, we're talking about gods here, incest is like their official past time.

Unless you're talking Greek gods, then its beastiality. Incest is merely a popular hobby.

[Will.S]

Ya know, just looking over that last issue. It almost seemed as if there might be some sexual tension growing between Thor and She-Loki. Does this bother anyone?
I don't know if I'd call it sexual tension.

I got the impression that Thor saw Loki and her resemblance to Sif reminded him of her. Thor probably would have liked for Sif to be with him during amidst the process of Odinsleep (or should I say "Thorsleep").

[MonkeyButler]

Not half, adopted. That said, we're talking about gods here, incest is like their official past time.

Not all of them. Probably not even half of them.

[Camron Amaya]

Thor and the Asgardians including the Olympians are called gods by marvel. I'm not sure about the other pantheons. Besides Thors mother is Gaea an Elder God the mother of Earth. I also read somewhere that even though they are gods that they are not immortal like the Olympians.

Yea Olympians are naturaly immortal, Asgardians are just have super long lifespans and their "immortality" is from the apples they ate.

[Kyle_Ion]

Yea Olympians are naturaly immortal, Asgardians are just have super long lifespans and their "immortality" is from the apples they ate.

I've been thinking since his mother Gaea is Immortal (am i right that she's immortal?) and his father Odin isn't immortal, so what would that make Thor? would he be mortal, immortal or in between?

[Camron Amaya]

I've been thinking since his mother Gaea is Immortal (am i right that she's immortal?) and his father Odin isn't immortal, so what would that make Thor? would he be mortal, immortal or in between?

I don't know...I mean Asgardians are pretty much immortal...just not in the same way as olympians..but same result pretty much

[DocCook]

What is everyone talking about? Each culture has thier own creation myth. I thought everyone knew this? From http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/creation.html

"Odin gave the man and the woman spirit and life"

He and his brothers killed Ymir and that created the earth, followed by a man and a woman.

Now of course, in Marvel Continuity, each pantheon claims this. Since JMS is writing Thor, he's sticking with the Norse version of earth's creation.

Now if they really wanted to go with the source material, they would give him RED hair and a RED beard, and fierce fiery eyes

[Gnarl]

Timelines seem to branch off the main 616 one occasionally.

I suspect timelines fold into it occasionally, too.

So there really was a timeline where Åsgardian gods crated a universe, and one of their children created man. But a universe forged by that violent lot did not endure as well as our own vastly larger one, and eventually it ran low on vital energy. And then it drifted down on ours, and merged, with only the pocket dimension of Åsgard remainig.

Or that is how I see it. If that happen, say once every 500 years or so, you'd have 10 panthons running around.

Realms that still have more vital energy would be places like Dormammus Dark Dimension, which seems to crash with ours if they touch.

So to me, Odin says that he created man because he did. In his past, which is only the same as ours for a few centuries before it diverges into its own timeline.


EDIT: I wonder if Thor will decide to bring BOR back? He may decide an injustice was done his grandfather...but Bor did not sound a friend to mortal men.

Oh, and I expected more...presence from Don Blake.

[Frank]

The truth is that Odin only created Canadians.

[Monty_Cristo]

The truth is that Odin only created Canadians.

and the jackalope.