The Better Blonde?

[Nyssane]

There are lots of blonde x-related females... but who's the best?

Anaconda, clearly.

[worstblogever]

I predict Emma fans will battle against Dazzler fans.

Who wins?

Jean Grey fans, I guess.

[Monty_Cristo]

Switch ........................................

[Nyssane]

I predict Emma fans will battle against Dazzler fans.

Who wins?

Jean Grey fans, I guess.

That's when Anaconda fans will sneak attack them.

[Optic Rage!]

EMMA FTW.

She should take this, might be close with Dazzler tough.

[Shade101]

I've always been fond of Lady Mastermind. Emma is one of my favorites as well. It's mostly because of her personality. Don't ask why. I just like the abrassive b*tchy types.

[Flameworthy]

pfft, No contest. The answer is always Dazzler.

[Brian M.]

Do we even know if Emma's a natural blonde? I mean everything else on her is fake or silicon...would it really be a stretch to think she dyes?

[pryde15]

It's a tie between Dazzler & Emma for me.

Since I can't decide which... I vote Anaconda.

[Flameworthy]

Do we even know if Emma's a natural blonde? I mean everything else on her is fake or silicon...would it really be a stretch to think she dyes?

She's not. It was established in her solo that she's a natural brunette who dyes her hair blonde.

[pryde15]

Do we even know if Emma's a natural blonde? I mean everything else on her is fake or silicon...would it really be a stretch to think she dyes?

It is dyed. Shown in the Emma Frost series from 2003. She is naturally a brunette.

[Nyssane]

I've always been fond of Lady Mastermind. Emma is one of my favorites as well. It's mostly because of her personality. Don't ask why. I just like the abrassive b*tchy types.

You should love Anaconda then.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ursula_boi/Comic%20Book%20Stuff/Anaconda/Ana_037.jpg

[Monty_Cristo]

Do we even know if Emma's a natural blonde? I mean everything else on her is fake or silicon...would it really be a stretch to think she dyes?

http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=page2&issue=29233219307%201

[Brian M.]

http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=page2&issue=29233219307%201

Disqualified!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mitteloss]

Voted Emma, but I was torn over Lady M and the Cuckoos.

[worstblogever]

Do we even know if Emma's a natural blonde? I mean everything else on her is fake or silicon...would it really be a stretch to think she dyes?

If I recall the Emma Frost series... wasn't she originally a brunette?

http://www.sugarbombs.com/genx/youngemma.gif

Well damn. Someone beat me to it.

[jester1436]

What kind of white supremacist posts a poll like this?

NAZISSANE THAT'S WHO.

Oh, and Dazzler. :)

[worstblogever]

What kind of white supremacist posts a poll like this?

NAZISSANE THAT'S WHO.

Oh, and Dazzler. :)

Emma may not be a natural blonde, but she makes no mistake about her loathing for the token Jewish X-Man, Kitty Pryde. That's kinda white supremacist/Aryan like, isn't it? :D

[Nyssane]

If we're going by ACTUAL NATURAL BLONDES, everyone except Husk would be off the list.

Blanche is a brunette:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ursula_boi/Comic%20Book%20Stuff/Anaconda/Ana_038.jpg

[Monty_Cristo]

Andreas Strucker owns them all. and he's bald now.

[worstblogever]

Andreas Strucker owns them all. and he's bald now.

And what of Andrea?

[Flameworthy]

If we're going by ACTUAL NATURAL BLONDES, everyone except Husk would be off the list.


Dazzler is not a bottle blonde!

[Monty_Cristo]

And what of Andrea?

well she obviously owns Andreas; like literally whips him when he's been bad.

[jester1436]

If we're going by ACTUAL NATURAL BLONDES, everyone except Husk would be off the list.

Blanche is a brunette:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ursula_boi/Comic%20Book%20Stuff/Anaconda/Ana_038.jpg

Dazzler is naturally blonde from head to puss, I THANK YOU.

[Flameworthy]

Dazzler is naturally blonde from head to puss, I THANK YOU.

lol Well I put it differently but you get the message across much better.:p

[Monty_Cristo]

Dazzler is naturally blonde from head to puss, I THANK YOU.

are you sure that she's not naturally pink?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/Dazzlerwiki.jpg

[pryde15]

If we're going by ACTUAL NATURAL BLONDES, everyone except Husk would be off the list.

Blanche is a brunette:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/ursula_boi/Comic%20Book%20Stuff/Anaconda/Ana_038.jpg

Magma is a natural blonde ;)

[worstblogever]

are you sure that she's not naturally pink?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/Dazzlerwiki.jpg

You'd have to ask Pete Wisdom, I guess.

[Monty_Cristo]

Magma is a natural blonde ;)

that bimbo can't even decide whether she's british or nova roman!

[pryde15]

that bimbo can't even decide whether she's british or nova roman!

:eek:

Low Blow, Monty. Low blow...

[jester1436]

are you sure that she's not naturally pink?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/Dazzlerwiki.jpg

Lets ask Shortpack, since he's been working as a living tampon ever since Mystique's solo series ended. :mad:

[Netley]

The Stepford Cuckoos were a very original idea, from one of the greatest X-Men runs ever! They allowed Morrison to humanize Emma quite a bit by (basically) making her the mom-figure for these spoiled quintuplets with similar powers to hers. And the hive-mind idea was cool!

[Imraith Nimphais]

question: would Storm be considered for this list as she is a patinum blonde?

[worstblogever]

question: would Storm be considered for this list as she is a patinum blonde?

Uhm... I'm afraid for the race/genetics thread that would stem from that.

Just sayin'.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Uhm... I'm afraid for the race/genetics thread that would stem from that.

Just sayin'.

It shouldn't because it has been established that her blue eyes and white hair are natural (unnatural) hereditary traits throughout the female part of her lineage.

[Novaya Havoc]

Emma is not a real blonde.

Dazzler is a strawberry blonde.

In truth, it should be Layla Miller.

[Monty_Cristo]

Lets ask Shortpack, since he's been working as a living tampon ever since Mystique's solo series ended. :mad:

ewwwww ..........................................

[Monty_Cristo]

:eek:

Low Blow, Monty. Low blow...

i'm sorry. some st.patrick's partier drove into my mailbox. i shouldn't have taken it out on Magma. she's a cool character. :D

[timbox]

Lady Mastermind, she is ruthlessly awesome.

[claimtosubclaim]

I'm with Husk.

[Monty_Cristo]

i'm with Roullette

[Ann Nichols]

But, but, what's the criteria here? Beauty? Brains? B*tchiness?

I still want to know how Sublime got all those cuckoos from Emma's eggs to be blondes.

BTW, that Emma is a bottle blonde was established by implication in "New X-Men" v.1, #139. Young Emma is shown as having light brown hair until the memory panel where she clicks drinks with Shaw.

(So, who gave her touch-ups while she was in that coma?)

[darknessatnoon]

(So, who gave her touch-ups while she was in that coma?)

Sage, obviously! Duh!

[Toboe]

Emma Frost pwns them all, and she's not even a natural blonde!

But only because Layla is bald now.

[Valeria Kementari]

BLASPHEMY!!! Where is Psylocke? Just because she dyes her hair doesn't mean she stops being blonde...

Still I voted for the one and only, the unique Dazzling Distraction :D

[HellFrost]

Sage, obviously! Duh!

Of course! Sage can't have her home girl sportin' roots while her minds MIA. Duh:cool:

Anyway, Emma Frost for the win. Dazzler as an incredibly close second. Although I was going to mention that Emma is not a true blonde and that Ali is actually strawberry blonde but somebody beat me to it!:rolleyes: Looks at you Novaya!

[Nachturne]

Where's Diana Fox?!

[Mystique25]

Where's Diana Fox?!

Diana Fox should win for sure. No

I voted Emma, I love Dazzler, but I'm going to have to go with Emma on this one. I think lately she has been amazing. Who knows maybe Uncanny 501 will change my view.

[Dazzler]

I picked Husk.
Mostly because I think of Dazzler as being a little red with the blonde.
But also because, barring Dazzler, Husk is the best up there.

--Dazz

[Jack Flash]

Go Skids Go!

[SYBERNYMPH]

I Voted For Skids But I Really Want Lifeguard To Come Back

[_Jayme_]

I can't vote Emma for the fact that she isn't a natural blonde..don't know if that was mentioned or not, but yeah..she was a brunette.

I actually vote...Da....

Magma! Loved her in The 198 series with her lover..:p What's the news on her? I think I heard something about her being in a series in May I think it was.

[Catlin]

Skids. She had so much potential...then they threw her and Rusty down the tubes.

[streator]

emma followed by husk.

[pryde15]

I can't vote Emma for the fact that she isn't a natural blonde..don't know if that was mentioned or not, but yeah..she was a brunette.

I actually vote...Da....

Magma! Loved her in The 198 series with her lover..:p What's the news on her? I think I heard something about her being in a series in May I think it was.

She's going to be appearing in Young X-Men along with the rest of the New Mutants! (excluding Rahne.)

[That JonoGuy]

My vote goes to Meltdown.

As for Emma, it could be argued that she IS a natural blonde. Has her origin issue from Generation X ever entered into context with the new series? If not, I say ignore her ongoing and go by the GX issue. If did come first after all. :D

[worstblogever]

My vote goes to Meltdown.

As for Emma, it could be argued that she IS a natural blonde. Has her origin issue from Generation X ever entered into context with the new series? If not, I say ignore her ongoing and go by the GX issue. If did come first after all. :D

Emma's miniseries takes place prior to Generation X "Minus One".

[mugiwara]

Other: Ilyana Rasputin

[Brett P]

HUSK! I miss her SO much :(

Followed by Meltdown (also missing! :(!)

And then Magma :)

[metalgorgomon]

I really like Emma. But knowing she's not a natural blonde, my vote goes to Lady Mastermind!

[That JonoGuy]

Emma's miniseries takes place prior to Generation X "Minus One".

I was more referring to when she recounted her time in a nut house to the girls.

[Karl H]

It's obviously Cece Reyes.

I know she's technically not blonde but she still wins it.

[Slung]

Emma's miniseries takes place prior to Generation X "Minus One".

How is that possible? She was 16 and it was twenty years prior to the current time at the time.

Emma's miniseries was like some alternate plane of existence.

[worstblogever]

How is that possible? She was 16 and it was twenty years prior to the current time at the time.

Emma's miniseries was like some alternate plane of existence.

Quite possibly. Because Generation X "Minus One" was supposed to have been after she ran away from her parents place. Her series still featured her amongst her family. Thus, it would take place before it.

Then again, I agree with the thought that the continuity on that series, and much of the White Queen's continuity is damn near fubar'ed when you factor in Gen X "-1".

[Slung]

Quite possibly. Because Generation X "Minus One" was supposed to have been after she ran away from her parents place. Her series still featured her amongst her family. Thus, it would take place before it.

Then again, I agree with the thought that the continuity on that series, and much of the White Queen's continuity is damn near fubar'ed when you factor in Gen X "-1".

Even if you look at her other history from GenX (where she was in the insane asylum) her miniseries was a mess on her history.

[DeniseXfrost]

Emma Frost pwns them all, and she's not even a natural blonde!
Haha so true.

[worstblogever]

Even if you look at her other history from GenX (where she was in the insane asylum) her miniseries was a mess on her history.

I'm thinking that series sold primarily by the poor lonely boys lured in by the cover art. I was hoping for some stories about how Emma fell in with the Hellfire Club, but never got there. Instead, it was Emma vs. Astrid, Emma dealing with family dysfunction, and Emma wuvs Ian the gambling addict (with no surprise retcon of her meeting Gambit).

Really, kind of a letdown in terms of content, especially when it doesn't jell with what we know. But somehow, it made it into the teens of issues before cancellation.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

That's when Anaconda fans will sneak attack them.

Please do stop using the plural, lol. :D

Anyway,

Emma (didn't she have light BROWN hair in her early years...?)
Dazz (duh)
Lady M (alcoholic traitorous budget Emma? I can dig, lol)

[scouse mouse]

Two faced,duplicitous, psychotic uber babe Lady Mastermind for sure!

[PaStella]

Lady Mastermind. I loved her in Carey's run.

[DeniseXfrost]

Two faced,duplicitous, psychotic uber babe Lady Mastermind for sure!
No Emma is the true definition of a bleach blonde backstabbing bitch. Vote for her :p

[scouse mouse]

Oh I still love Emma as well. But there's some thing alluring about her low class doppleganger that gets me every time!

[Phil Hunn]

I voted for Lady Mastermind, purely because she doesn't make me want to put my own eyes out with a melon-baller.

[SensorBoy]

Skids!!!!!!!!

[ExodusCloak]

Even if you look at her other history from GenX (where she was in the insane asylum) her miniseries was a mess on her history.

Sigh*

It's called Marvels sliding Timescale.
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=altuhb2005streetsamuraifr6.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=genx31textqo6.jpg
(Emma was actually 16 in Gen X -1...making her 26. Morrisons X-Men occurred right after Gen X #75 made Emma 27.) Fits perfectly.

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=genx34textnv6.jpg

As for the continuity of Emma's mini, the Gen X -1 issue could fall between the second and third arc of her mini as she left home at the age of 15. And Deadly Genesis occurs possibly right after the Astrid Bloom thing.

1.) After the first arc (15 year old Emma leaves home)
2.) Second Arc occurs
* Emma dyes her hair between the second and third arc therefore Gen X -1(16 year old Emma) could have occurred between those two arcs.
3.) Third arc occurs (Emma goes to college -Astrid Bloom fiasco.)
* Works in the Hellfire Club while also going to college. (X-Men 1.5 formed)
4.) Meets Shaw
* Takes over the Hellfire Club
5.) Phoenix to Dark Phoenix
* Emma goes to Rehab
6.) Storm Body Switch (Retreat)
7.) Mastermind -Comatose Emma
8.) Emma Breaks out - Kidnapping Kitty Pryde
* New Mutants vs. Hellions etc Leads to Grey King
9.) Attack on the Hellfire Club (Death of Hellions)
* Psychic Coma Emma
10.) Emma wakes up - (Iceman Switch)
11.) Gen X
* Death of Gen X-ers
12.) New X-Men
* Psychic Affair/Shattered/Death of Phoenix
13.) Present Day X-Men

[rZi]

Finaly, Emma wins something!

Closely followed by Lady Mastermind though..

[jarrod]

Besty, easily. She's naturally everything Emma aspires to. <3 <3

[Kage Kisaragi]

I grew fawn of lady mastermind during the Supernovas trade. She has spunk and shes sexy. She's like Emma without being a stuck up. Shes still a bitch but shes a fun bitch to be around.

[Dagger]

i'm with Roullette

PHUCK YEAH!!!! Roulette 4thaween!!!

[estee]

Cuckoos win.

Safety in numbers. ;)

[Slung]

Sigh*

It's called Marvels sliding Timescale.
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=altuhb2005streetsamuraifr6.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=genx31textqo6.jpg
(Emma was actually 16 in Gen X -1...making her 26. Morrisons X-Men occurred right after Gen X #75 made Emma 27.) Fits perfectly.

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=genx34textnv6.jpg

As for the continuity of Emma's mini, the Gen X -1 issue could fall between the second and third arc of her mini as she left home at the age of 15. And Deadly Genesis occurs possibly right after the Astrid Bloom thing.


Fact: Dark Beast came back in time 20 years ago.

Fact: Emma Frost met Dark Beast at 16.

Supported Speculation: According to all involved parties (including your letter writer), Emma met Beast just after he came from the AoA.

Logical Conclusion: Emma was 36 during GenX and is logically 37 now, hence her hacking off ten years for vanity in Morrison's run - which fits her character.

The letter you posted doesn't even have her age right (saying she was 20 when she met Dark Beast, but she was 16), it then says she met Dark Beast shortly after his arrival from AoA (which he says was ten years ago, but it was 20) he then says this makes her around 30. Which still doesn't fit your 26. Letter columns were often a contradiction of a lot of different information. If we went by the letter columns as canon - Monet would NOT have been Penance.

And her mini IS a mess of continuity. Where does this fit into her teenage time of possessing that insane asylum guard and escaping from said asylum. It's just doesn't quite fit.

[ExodusCloak]

Fact: Dark Beast came back in time 20 years ago.

Fact: Emma Frost met Dark Beast at 16.

Supported Speculation: According to all involved parties (including your letter writer), Emma met Beast just after he came from the AoA.

Logical Conclusion: Emma was 36 during GenX and is logically 37 now, hence her hacking off ten years for vanity in Morrison's run - which fits her character.

The letter you posted doesn't even have her age right (saying she was 20 when she met Dark Beast, but she was 16), it then says she met Dark Beast shortly after his arrival from AoA (which he says was ten years ago, but it was 20) he then says this makes her around 30. Which still doesn't fit your 26. Letter columns were often a contradiction of a lot of different information. If we went by the letter columns as canon - Monet would NOT have been Penance.

And her mini IS a mess of continuity. Where does this fit into her teenage time of possessing that insane asylum guard and escaping from said asylum. It's just doesn't quite fit.

Fact: Marvel's Sliding Timescale does not allow for 20 years to pass after the FF4 became got their powers. That's a huge chunk of that cut down.(See OHOTMU Alternate Universes) Which is why the editor said 10 years Marvel Time.
You missed the line of "Marvel Time" (Marvel Sliding Time Scale). He said the meeting was 10 years back. He said she was around 20 it's off but that isn't incorrect as he said about. She was 16. 10 + 16 = 26.

Second Letter references her between 25-30.

Marvel > Your Speculation.


Simple she lied about the insane asylum. But there's certainly a story to be written after Astrid Bloom where she could go back and murder everyone in her Brothers Ward.

The main point is more to address that Morrison did absolutely nothing wrong since Marvel considered her 25-30 back in Gen X. You can call it a retcon if you like, you can say you don't like it but way back in Gen X they considered her 25-30. Just to reiterate Morrison was right.

Lets get back on topic because there's really nothing more to address.

[Slung]

Marvel's Sliding Timescale does not allow for 20 years to pass like that.
You missed the line of "Marvel Time" (Marvel Sliding Time Scale). He said the meeting was 10 years back. He said she was around 20 that isn't incorrect as she was 16. 10 + 16 = 26.

Second Letter references her between 25-30.

Marvel > Your Speculation.


Simple she lied about the insane asylum.

Lets get back on topic because there's really nothing more to address.

This is ridiculous. Beast came back 20 years ago. Not ten. Marvel time. Not our time. Sliding timescale in place. Pre Fantastic Four space flight. Thats the whole point of the AoA, that Apocalypse started his bid for power early because he saw Xavier, Magneto and Legion duke it out before the super powers began to pop out of the woodwork. And that letter's page person said she was around 30, sure. But John Byrne and Chris Claremont have separately put her much older than that they created her. So, we can grab whatever random facts we want from whoever. I'm just going by the canon presented.

And why would she lie about the asylum? Its more likely that her series was some psuedo elseworlds type series than anything else. It has had NO effect on Marvel continuity since.

[Dazzler]

There is absolutely no way Emma is in her 20's.
She might even be able to remember her 30's if she's lucky. ;)

--Dazz

[ExodusCloak]

This is ridiculous. Beast came back 20 years ago. Not ten. Marvel time. Not our time. Sliding timescale in place. Pre Fantastic Four space flight. Thats the whole point of the AoA, that Apocalypse started his bid for power early because he saw Xavier, Magneto and Legion duke it out before the super powers began to pop out of the woodwork. And that letter's page person said she was around 30, sure. But John Byrne and Chris Claremont have separately put her much older than that they created her. So, we can grab whatever random facts we want from whoever. I'm just going by the canon presented.

And why would she lie about the asylum? Its more likely that her series was some psuedo elseworlds type series than anything else. It has had NO effect on Marvel continuity since.

Look at it this way some time during that 20 years the FF4 went into space and got their powers. Time becomes compressed after that. So a huge chunk of that 20 gets compressed. That's why the writer said 10 years Marvel time. The reason Marvel Game is due to a reality warper outside of 616 compressing time. Otherwise Jeans Tombstone cough*

http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phoenixuntoldstory53no2.jpg

Claremont never established an age. Huzzah.

Eh...who knows why she would lie about the asylum. Maybe she doesn't like to share? Sound like Emma to me. Use your imagination. The asylum was turned into a half truth. I wouldn't be surprised if she did murder everyone in Christians asylum.

[Slung]

Look at it this way some time during that 20 years the FF4 went into space and got their powers. Time becomes compressed after that. So a huge chunk of that 20 gets compressed. That's why the writer said 10 years Marvel time.

Claremont never established an age. Huzzah.

Eh...who knows why she would lie about the asylum. Maybe she doesn't like to share? Sound like Emma to me. Use your imagination. The asylum was turned into a half truth. I wouldn't be surprised if she did murder everyone in Christians asylum.

But DB came back before the FF - there is no need for any sort of compression at all. And yes, Claremont never established an age (unless you count Emma calling the X-Men "young people" which I think DOES establish an age for the character) - I was talking non-canon off-panel talk from the creators individually, which is as reliable as a letter columnist in terms of canon.

I understand the desire for Emma fans to put her in a more "accessible" age for themselves, but the character has never, ever been written as anything other than older and more mature than the X-Men. I'm being generous in saying she was in her early 30's in the Dark Phoenix Saga.

[ExodusCloak]

But DB came back before the FF - there is no need for any sort of compression at all. And yes, Claremont never established an age - I was talking non-canon off-panel talk from the creators individually, which is as reliable as a letter columnist in terms of canon.

I understand the desire for Emma fans to put her in a more "accessible" age for themselves, but the character has never, ever been written as anything other than older and more mature than the X-Men. I'm being generous in saying she was in her early 30's in the Dark Phoenix Saga.

Time compression still occurs though even outside the FF flight as stated in the OHOTMU and they mention Nick Fury who was around during WWI etc...
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=altuhb2005streetsamuraifr6.jpg

An ambigious off hand comment that could be down to Emma's snarkiness. As it was contradicted by CC's "You still have the youth of a goddess" line.

The age of heroes occurs 10-15 years ago. But time compression is still present keeping Nick Fury alive.

Marvel even stated that the meeting takes place 10 years Marvel time. What those pieces of text tell us is that even in Gen X they considered Emma to be between 25-30. Way back then.

I have nearly all CC's interviews the X-Men Companions etc and I haven't once seen him reference Emma age. In fact there's very little of Emma mentioned. And in UXM #152 they even said Emma still had the youth of a goddess after she lost her body.

Without Time Compression Jean wouldn't be around 28/29 either.
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5944/phoenixuntoldstory53no2.jpg

Again call it whatever you want but Marvel Considered Emma 25-30 in Gen X. Just to clarify though Morrison was actually following continuity that was firmly established in Gen X. And if it was a retcon it occured in Gen X not New X-Men.

I honestly really don't care whether you call it a retcon or not. As the fact of the matter it doesn't make a difference because Marvel have firmly reiterated their stance on the matter.
I think this sums it up pretty well. The main point is it wasn't Morrisons doing. And that should at least be recognized as it's really unfair to the writer.

I think Emma is 15 years old.


And all the proof doesn't really matter.Sage got retconned into being O6, Team 1.5 got retconned, Emma is now younger, Magneto wasn't Xorn. It happens..accept it and move on.

[Agent_Torpor]

Emma is just too fierce a posh bitch to ever get taken down.

Now all she needs is a blunt razor cut with the angularity, lose the square Summers, more platform boot action, and she's uber.

[Slung]

Time compression still occurs though even outside the FF flight as stated in the OHOTMU and they mention Nick Fury who was around during WWI etc...
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=altuhb2005streetsamuraifr6.jpg

An ambigious off hand comment that could be down to Emma's snarkiness. And Contradicted by CC's You still have the youth of a goddess line.

The age of heroes occurs 10-15 years ago. But time compression is still present keeping Nick Fury alive.

Marvel even stated that the meeting takes place 10 years Marvel time. What those pieces of text tell us is that they considered Emma to be between 25-26. Way back then.

I have nearly all CC's interviews the X-Men Companions etc and I haven't once seen him reference Emma age. In fact there's very little of Emma mentioned. And in UXM #152 they even said Emma still had the youth of a goddess after she lost her body.

Without Time Compression Jean wouldn't be around 28/29 either.
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5944/phoenixuntoldstory53no2.jpg

Again call it whatever you want but Marvel Considered Emma 25-30 in Gen X. Just to clarify though Morrison was actually following continuity. And if it was a retcon it occured in Gen X not New X-Men.

I honestly really don't care whether you call it a retcon or not even though it's not IMO. But fact of the matter it doesn't make a difference. I think this sums it up pretty well. The main point is it wasn't Morrisons doing. And that should at least be recognized as it's really unfair to the writer.

I never said Morrison retconned it, I think he was going for Emma sees herself as younger than she really is. Claremont mentioned Emma's age on some message board and some point in time when someone brought it up (as did John Byrne on a separate occasion). I still believe the line about "youth" from Shaw in the body switch issue is more telling her what she gained then what she possessed - A "though you lost your powers, you still gained youth" sort of thing. And they never referenced a time period in those Dark Beast issues (the point of the sliding timescale) but an actual physical number of years that he was in the past. Just like Xavier was in Egypt 20 years before regardless of what year it was or does that make Xavier now in his 30's too because of this sliding time scale? Because twenty years ago Marvel time is twenty years ago. Its the dates themselves that change.

Well, I'm out on this. Its a pretty goofy debate.

[Ann Nichols]

I wish the poll included blonds as well as blondes. I'd vote for Charles, even if he did lose his hair while he was still in school.

[Optic Rage!]

I understand the desire for Emma fans to put her in a more "accessible" age for themselves, but the character has never, ever been written as anything other than older and more mature than the X-Men. I'm being generous in saying she was in her early 30's in the Dark Phoenix Saga.

Can you please STFU about Emma?

Its getting OLD seeing you trying to make her look bad.

[Dazzler]

Can you please STFU about Emma?

Its getting OLD seeing you trying to make her look bad.
But...what Slung's saying actually makes Emma look BETTER. Well, to me, at least.

--Dazz

[Pach!]

But...what Slung's saying actually makes Emma look BETTER. Well, to me, at least.

--Dazz

That's because you're indie.



And whatever, Emma is young now. Who cares. Move on.

[Novaya Havoc]

Can you please STFU about Emma?

Its getting OLD seeing you trying to make her look bad.

It's just bogus, really. I'll never get the weird Jean fan-Emma hate. They're not mutually exclusive. It's not like they've been inseperably linked, ala Dazzler and Longshot.

It just comes off wonky.

[Dazzler]

That's because you're indie.
Oh, yeah. ;)
Thank God...for a minute there I thought I wasn't.

--Dazz

[Optic Rage!]

But...what Slung's saying actually makes Emma look BETTER. Well, to me, at least.

--Dazz

I dont like Indie, sorry.

DOES NOT COMPUTE.

[Dazzler]

I dont like Indie, sorry.

DOES NOT COMPUTE.
That's okay. It's not for everybody. Some things are just easier to digest.

--Dazz

[Monty_Cristo]

i liked Emma in the New Mutants and Generation X series. she seemed about 30ish in both. i just can't imagine a mid 20s Emma serving as "mentor" to Iceman and being more experienced in the use of his powers. maybe it's my age bias showing but i find her "younger portrayal" less sexy. it also makes her harder to take seriously (imo). she's a "queen," not a "princess."


http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1457/132047-emma-frost_400.jpg

[HellFrost]

It's just bogus, really. I'll never get the weird Jean fan-Emma hate. They're not mutually exclusive. It's not like they've been inseperably linked, ala Dazzler and Longshot.

It just comes off wonky.

Holler.:cool:

Emma and Jean are my two favorite X-Women. Why is there hate. Hate on either side makes me very tired of both characters believe it or not.

[Monty_Cristo]

Holler.:cool:

Emma and Jean are my two favorite X-Women. Why is there hate. Hate on either side makes me very tired of both characters believe it or not.

you should become a Shortpack fan. no one who counts hates him.

[HellFrost]

i liked Emma in the New Mutants and Generation X series. she seemed about 30ish in both. i just can't imagine a mid 20s Emma serving as "mentor" to Iceman and being more experienced in the use of his powers.

Lobdell said she was 29 during Gen X. Now she is in her early 30's. If I had to make the ultimate choice, I'd say 32. Marvel goes through tons and tons of retcons so to me it doesn't actually matter. I just like to go by current continuity.

[HellFrost]

you should become a Shortpack fan. no one who counts hates him.

ummmm........ Monty, baby... I'm a huge Shortpack fan. He was the bizzomb in the Mystique series and agree that he should come back in some way because he is too interesting a character to just forget about. I just hope that when he does return, Mystique is greatly involved in that storyline.:)

[Dazzler]

Lobdell said she was 29 during Gen X. Now she is in her early 30's. If I had to make the ultimate choice, I'd say 32. Marvel goes through tons and tons of retcons so to me it doesn't actually matter. I just like to go by current continuity.
Did he say that? Well, that kinda puts that to rest...unless it's one of those 29 for the 15th time kinda deals. ;)

--Dazz

[HellFrost]

Did he say that? Well, that kinda puts that to rest...unless it's one of those 29 for the 15th time kinda deals. ;)

--Dazz

Lol. No it was a question by a fan in the letters page and he was very much serious. I believe that ExodusCloak actually has an image of it. If not I can try and pull it up, but it will take me a day or two because I can't remember the issue number.:)

[ExodusCloak]

Lol. No it was a question by a fan in the letters page and he was very much serious. I believe that ExodusCloak actually has an image of it. If not I can try and pull it up, but it will take me a day or two because I can't remember the issue number.:)

The scans on the previous page.(Gen X#31 and #34)

Was also looking through my Gen X issues in order to find whether or not Cordelia's powers have ever been cited. But I stumbled across her age. Cordelia Frost is cited as just turning 17 years old in present day Gen X time.
If we use Slungs logic and take it that the meeting with Dark Beast took place 20 years ago. Emma wouldn't know that she had a 3rd sister. :eek: In fact her sister would be born 4 years after Emma left home. And Emma wouldn't know much about her since she never would have met her. (And this is only taking Gen X continuity into account)

Got to love the Gen X writers.

[lockerogue]

I voted for Magma. She's a real blonde and dangerous as fuck.

[Dazzler]

Lol. No it was a question by a fan in the letters page and he was very much serious. I believe that ExodusCloak actually has an image of it. If not I can try and pull it up, but it will take me a day or two because I can't remember the issue number.:)

No, that's okay, I'll take your word for it.
Well, she's a very...mature 29 (or however old that would make her now), that's for sure!

--Dazz

[Slung]

Can you please STFU about Emma?

Its getting OLD seeing you trying to make her look bad.

Thank you for being so mature about this. :rolleyes:

I'm NOT trying to make her look bad. I think she's way cooler being an older mature woman in her mid thirties whose had lots of experience with first being a villain and then a hero. Why such vehemence?

I make some digs about Emma being skanky as a joke, but this isn't me trying to make her look bad. Her history, to me, paints her as a much older character. And I'm not the only one who thinks so.

This has NOTHING to do with Jean. Or my so-called hatred for Emma.

I actually *shock* like Emma in my comic books. I loved her and Jean's interactions in New X-Men. And if I was writing X-Men *shock* I'd want her on the team I was working with.

I don't always like what they've done with the character and I disagree with some of the needles retcons, but I don't hate her. And what really gets old is being told that because I think Emma should be older I hate her. Whatever.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I gotta say, the age debate just cracks me up.

Let's say Cyke's 30-33 and he's dating a 35-40 years old woman. I just fail to see what's wrong with this.

[Charybdis4]

Dazzler all the way on this, excluding the pink shot putter era of course.

We all Emma would be one of those hideous L'oreal puppets, who get wheeled out to the public every now & then, extolling the virtues of a cheap hair dye by saying the all time craptastic line "because I'm worth it."

And considering her Jurassic age, I would imagine that she must be considering going for the "blue rinse" look any day now, like many 70+ women do. Maybe she could consider a tone of blue which matches Scott's costume....that'll be nice.

[Flâneur]

I don't understand why people seem so antsy about Emma's age, so what if she's just a day under 40, it's still the same character. Gawd.

[HellFrost]

Dazzler all the way on this, excluding the pink shot putter era of course.

We all Emma would be one of those hideous L'oreal puppets, who get wheeled out to the public every now & then, extolling the virtues of a cheap hair dye by saying the all time craptastic line "because I'm worth it."

And considering her Jurassic age, I would imagine that she must be considering going for the "blue rinse" look any day now, like many 70+ women do. Maybe she could consider a tone of blue which matches Scott's costume....that'll be nice.

Very Mature. Thank you so much, for regressing this conversation back to 3rd grade.

[Luck911]

No Lifeguard ?

[jarrod]

I gotta say, the age debate just cracks me up.

Let's say Cyke's 30-33 and he's dating a 35-40 years old woman. I just fail to see what's wrong with this.
Nothing at all... in fact I like concept of the pairing even more when Emma's the more, erm, experienced partner actually.

In a wierd way, Emma's dynamic is almost like Jean and Xaiver rolled into one. If that's not Scott's fantasy fuck, I don't know what is. :D

[Charybdis4]

Very Mature. Thank you so much, for regressing this conversation back to 3rd grade.

Apologies, I didn't realise this was a "high brow" discussion on comic book character hair styles.........

lighten up, just like Emma did!

[Leirus]

[QUOTE=Flâneur;6543466]I don't understand why people seem so antsy about Emma's age, so what if she's just a day under 40, it's still the same character. Gawd.[/QUOTE

I really do not care how old Emma is, but in my opinion, when she first appeared she somewath looked like a mature woman...

BUT


Even since she has been retconned twice

The first retcon saw her as a tenager beggar in New York when Sean was already a policeman... that means she should be at lest 10 years older than Syrin...

The second retcon saw her joining the Hellfireclub as a teenager dancer, being around 20 and fully into a cocain-and-alcohol induced rage when she fought the first time against the X-Men. This second Retcon puts her as Sebastian Shawn pet-proyect, something that was not in her original portrait, where they seemed to be equals...


So in my opinion Emma has been retconned into a younger version of herself, and the only time that we have seen her age printed, and it is thus cannon, is in New X-Men, after riot in Xavier, where she was 26 or something like that.

So this is her age now...

Also Scott has been "de-aged" (I remember the issue when he told Jean, while they where in Annandale-on-Hudson, that he was "only 25") and I do not see anybody crying...


My favourite Blonde? Karolina from Runaways :p

[Flâneur]

I don't understand why people seem so antsy about Emma's age, so what if she's just a day under 40, it's still the same character. Gawd.

I really do not care how old Emma is, but in my opinion, when she first appeared she somewath looked like a mature woman...

BUT


Even since she has been retconned twice

The first retcon saw her as a tenager beggar in New York when Sean was already a policeman... that means she should be at lest 10 years older than Syrin...

The second retcon saw her joining the Hellfireclub as a teenager dancer, being around 20 and fully into a cocain-and-alcohol induced rage when she fought the first time against the X-Men. This second Retcon puts her as Sebastian Shawn pet-proyect, something that was not in her original portrait, where they seemed to be equals...


So in my opinion Emma has been retconned into a younger version of herself, and the only time that we have seen her age printed, and it is thus cannon, is in New X-Men, after riot in Xavier, where she was 26 or something like that.

So this is her age now...

Also Scott has been "de-aged" (I remember the issue when he told Jean, while they where in Annandale-on-Hudson, that he was "only 25") and I do not see anybody crying...


My favourite Blonde? Karolina from Runaways :p
With the HFC dancing thing, her exact age was never specified. I prefer to think that between all the surgeries, the telepathy and the secrecy that Emma's age is an enigma which is known only to her - you can interpret her comment in NXM as an ironic statement or a disclosure - it's up to you. So Emma could be 28 or she could be nearing 40 ... nobody actually knows and it's not a big deal either.

[SYBERNYMPH]

I Vote For Outlaw And Lifeguard

[Phil Hunn]

I gotta say, the age debate just cracks me up.

Let's say Cyke's 30-33 and he's dating a 35-40 years old woman. I just fail to see what's wrong with this.

Me neither.

Older women = sexy.

No Lifeguard ?

I think that's probably because she's... how to put this... somewhat unloved.

[Saint]

Illyana Nikolievna Rasputina.