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Hi-Fi
03-15-2008, 02:10 PM
Dazzler will be back in "Uncanny X-Men" #501, as the "mutant madonna," discovering a "late career as a mutant entertainer in San Francisco. We're building a team where it's not very team based, but more ensemble based."

"On CBR, there's a thread that just exploded," McCann thought.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13374

YAY!

Flameworthy
03-15-2008, 02:12 PM
This is awesome news! It seems so very far away. I need my Dazzler fix now.:(

Omega Alpha
03-15-2008, 02:13 PM
Preparing for thread explosion by Dazzler fanboys. 10...9...8...

CmX
03-15-2008, 02:27 PM
Can't wait to see Dazzler drawn by Terry Dodson! Super sexyness and yeah #501 is hell far what's that August? :(

Dazzler
03-15-2008, 02:48 PM
So she WAS in my neck of the woods.

All I can say: I am super excited. I mean super. As in duper.

--Dazz

Toboe
03-15-2008, 02:52 PM
Uncanny X-Men #501 is going to be the sexiest comic of all time.

frog
03-15-2008, 03:02 PM
Now that's how to send off Dazzler week with a bang!

fitditz
03-15-2008, 03:14 PM
Lots of sex in the X-titles huh? Hmmm....the Angel + Dazzler super-coupling is just about 90% complete :p

Beast
03-15-2008, 03:25 PM
Nice to have some official confirmation where she's going.

But comparing her to Madonna? Umm, eww. Even I consider Dazzler cooler than Madonna.

rwsmith
03-15-2008, 03:32 PM
Sweet. I hope she and Wolverine have sex. Why? I don't know. I guess because I've always liked blondes.

Pach!
03-15-2008, 03:35 PM
Sweet. I hope she and Wolverine have sex. Why? I don't know. I guess because I've always liked blondes.

lol... wolverine, is that you?

Dazzler
03-15-2008, 03:36 PM
Sweet. I hope she and Wolverine have sex. Why? I don't know. I guess because I've always liked blondes.
Oh God. My head just exploded. And not in the sexy way.

She's in San Francisco. Getting romantic male attention is going to be a right challenge for her. :eek:

--Dazz

Hi-Fi
03-15-2008, 03:38 PM
Well, they did say there's going to be a lot of sex. Scott and Emma would not be surprising (BORING) so I guess they WERE talking about Dazzler having sex with one of the following:

Wolverine
Angel
Colossus
Nightcrawler

frog
03-15-2008, 03:39 PM
Well, they did say there's going to be a lot of sex. Scott and Emma would not be surprising (BORING) so I guess they WERE talking about Dazzler having sex with one of the following:

Wolverine
Angel
Colossus
Nightcrawler

Oh, so Brubaker's going to be writing XXX-Men!

rwsmith
03-15-2008, 03:40 PM
lol... wolverine, is that you?

Ha! Dazzler will sleep with Wolverine in 2008. Mark my words.

Beast
03-15-2008, 03:41 PM
Well, they did say there's going to be a lot of sex. Scott and Emma would not be surprising (BORING) so I guess they WERE talking about Dazzler having sex with one of the following:

Wolverine
Angel
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Don't forget Beast. Wouldn't be the first time. Though I think his heart belongs to Agent Brand. ;)

rwsmith
03-15-2008, 03:45 PM
Wait, Beast has had sex with Dazzler before!?

frog
03-15-2008, 03:46 PM
Wait, Beast has had sex with Dazzler before!?

They had their own mini!

Gene M.
03-15-2008, 03:47 PM
As pumped as I am for this, I really wish someone else was drawing it. Land should fall b-hole first onto a parking cone.

The Lucky One
03-15-2008, 05:10 PM
It's pretty funny what they said about a thread exploding on CBR.

Kind of sad that we're now actually known for that, but funny.

-D

The Lucky One
03-15-2008, 05:11 PM
Wait, Beast has had sex with Dazzler before!?

With all due respect to Ms. Blaire's honor, lots of people have.

-D

Luck911
03-15-2008, 05:17 PM
Read the newsarama report of the panel.It says Dazzler joining could be joke by Fraction.

Calm down people

tetragene
03-15-2008, 05:39 PM
Read the newsarama report of the panel.It says Dazzler joining could be joke by Fraction.

Calm down people

Brubaker said before at a comic con that he was interested in using her and Jim McCann confirmed on the CBR Dazzler thread that Dazzler would be back in a core X-book this summer--it's no joke :p

First the Essential:Dazzler on Aug 9, 2007 (my b-day!) and now Dazzler returns to the fold in Aug '08? Very cool :D

Luck911
03-15-2008, 06:00 PM
Brubaker said before at a comic con that he was interested in using her and Jim McCann confirmed on the CBR Dazzler thread that Dazzler would be back in a core X-book this summer--it's no joke :p

First the Essential:Dazzler on Aug 9, 2007 (my b-day!) and now Dazzler returns to the fold in Aug '08? Very cool :D

Fine I will put it in these terms,If Dazzler comes back and is part of the x-men i am happy for you but way i am reading the information,It looks like the writers are just teasing the dazzler fans on cbr.

Flameworthy
03-15-2008, 06:02 PM
Fine I will put it in these terms,If Dazzler comes back and is part of the x-men i am happy for you but way i am reading the information,It looks like the writers are just teasing the dazzler fans on cbr.

No likely considering McCann is a big Dazzler fan.

Beast
03-15-2008, 06:02 PM
With all due respect to Ms. Blaire's honor, lots of people have.

-D
She's no Emma Frost. But yeah, she's been around a bit.

We R. Venom
03-15-2008, 06:17 PM
I think Dazzler being in Uncanny works out for everybody!!

pryde15
03-15-2008, 06:17 PM
yay Dazzler! She is the perfect person to join the cast.

Diablito
03-15-2008, 06:24 PM
Wooh!! I love the new X-Cast reveals!

Disco Jess Minge
03-15-2008, 06:35 PM
Man, those Marvel guys are not just with it. Madonna is OVAH!


Who can give me Greg Land's email addy? I have about 900 Kylie Minogue pics to send him. :D

We R. Venom
03-15-2008, 06:39 PM
Man, those Marvel guys are not just with it. Madonna is OVAH!


Who can give me Greg Land's email addy? I have about 900 Kylie Minogue pics to send him. :D

I don't know about OVAH. Her new song with JT is tight as hell!

jester1436
03-15-2008, 06:47 PM
Man, those Marvel guys are not just with it. Madonna is OVAH!


Who can give me Greg Land's email addy? I have about 900 Kylie Minogue pics to send him. :D

I love Kylie. I love Madonna.

Madonna is no more over than Kylie and she's more relevant as a common reference to an American comic audience than Kylie will probably ever be.

Flameworthy
03-15-2008, 06:53 PM
I don't know about OVAH. Her new song with JT is tight as hell!

bleh, I just heard her new song, and I think it sounds lame. Then again it might be because I don't like Justin Timberlake.

We R. Venom
03-15-2008, 06:56 PM
bleh, I just heard her new song, and I think it sounds lame. Then again it might be because I don't like Justin Timberlake.

Probably. I like it because I do like JT, lol.

tetragene
03-15-2008, 06:58 PM
Is Madonna even ON her new song? I hear Justin Timberlake for about 85% of it, lol :p JT is cool sometimes, a douche other times--he walks a very fine line.

So excited about the Dazzler news, I hope it means she is a regular though. And not a reoccurring character every 10 or so issues. More Dazzler greatness in August--I think that Aug must be officially correlated with Dazzler now ;)

DarthCyclopsRLZ
03-15-2008, 06:58 PM
Good news for Dazz. :D

About Dazz and Wolvie. Dream on, RW. :p

We R. Venom
03-15-2008, 07:00 PM
Is Madonna even ON her new song? I hear Justin Timberlake for about 85% of it, lol :p JT is cool sometimes, a douche other times--he walks a very fine line.

So excited about the Dazzler news, I hope it means she is a regular though. And not a reoccurring character every 10 or so issues. More Dazzler greatness in August--I think that Aug must be officially correlated with Dazzler now ;)

You wouldnt be saying that if you sang Bye Bye Bye like I did last night in drunk Karaoke.;) Anyway this is not about JT, it's about Twizzler and X-orgies!

Muggs
03-15-2008, 07:02 PM
Man, those Marvel guys are not just with it. Madonna is OVAH!


Who can give me Greg Land's email addy? I have about 900 Kylie Minogue pics to send him. :D

Granted Madonna looks rough as sandpaper nowadays, but Kylie ain't no spring chicken either. You should send Greg Land pics of Sarah Harding for how Dazzler should look in the 2000's.

Slung
03-15-2008, 07:59 PM
Yay for Dazzler fans.

Now, how about some love for Jean fans.

DarthCyclopsRLZ
03-15-2008, 08:02 PM
Yay for Dazzler fans.

Now, how about some love for Jean fans.

Well, there's always AXM #50. Or Legacy 250. Or UXM 550. Or X-Factor 50. Or.. well, you see where I'm going with this, right?

Mwahahahahaha.

Sorry, that was too easy. :(

Slung
03-15-2008, 08:09 PM
Well, there's always AXM #50. Or Legacy 250. Or UXM 550. Or X-Factor 50. Or.. well, you see where I'm going with this, right?

Mwahahahahaha.

Sorry, that was too easy. :(
Its caps lock FAIL. Every other character in the history of Marvel comics is getting resurrected right and left and the character who actually HAS the power to come back to life is being sat on by Joe Q because he's afraid if Jean comes back she'll outshine his "precious."

DarthCyclopsRLZ
03-15-2008, 08:14 PM
Its caps lock FAIL. Every other character in the history of Marvel comics is getting resurrected right and left and the character who actually HAS the power to come back to life is being sat on by Joe Q because he's afraid if Jean comes back she'll outshine his "precious."

Sure, but there's also the TRAGICALLY HILARIOUS IRONY angle. :D

Surely that gets him some points. No...?

Slung
03-15-2008, 08:15 PM
Sure, but there's also the TRAGICALLY HILARIOUS IRONY angle. :D

Surely that gets him some points. No...?

No.

Stupidass letter limit - I'm just in a bad Jean is still dead mood.

DarthCyclopsRLZ
03-15-2008, 08:17 PM
Wait, I thought you weren't even realistically hoping would appear in #500...?

KittyPryde
03-15-2008, 08:43 PM
Meh...taken out of Claremont's hands she won't be any good anyway....:p

(and before I get flamed by the Divapack....that above comment is TOTALLY meant as tongue-in-cheek sarcasm of the opposite-day-type variety....actually I'm very happy to see Ali get some long-overdue proper front-and-center X-book attention by a non-Claremont writer :D )

Slung
03-15-2008, 08:43 PM
Wait, I thought you weren't even realistically hoping would appear in #500...?

Well, obviously not. But then again, there is always that glimmer of hope. That sliver of faith that Marvel will do the right thing. 2008 should be JEAN year. Truth be told. Instead its the return of Longshot and Pixie having pornstar faces that seems to be all the rage at Marvel.

DarthCyclopsRLZ
03-15-2008, 08:47 PM
Instead its the return of Longshot and Pixie having pornstar faces that seems to be all the rage at Marvel.

Every Jean-ain't-coming-back-YET-mwahahahahaha joke I had just died at that.

That statement sounds so very very wrong both in and out of context. :(

Jake V
03-15-2008, 09:34 PM
Well, obviously not. But then again, there is always that glimmer of hope. That sliver of faith that Marvel will do the right thing. 2008 should be JEAN year. Truth be told. Instead its the return of Longshot and Pixie having pornstar faces that seems to be all the rage at Marvel.
The "right thing" should have been leaving her dead at the end of the Dark Phoenix saga.

Slung
03-15-2008, 10:49 PM
The "right thing" should have been leaving her dead at the end of the Dark Phoenix saga.

And you have boobs as your avatar. Obviously, the right thing is not something you are fully capable of making.

Novaya Havoc
03-15-2008, 11:06 PM
"Dazzler will be back in "Uncanny X-Men" #501, as the "mutant Madonna," discovering a "late career as a mutant entertainer in San Francisco. We're building a team where it's not very team based, but more ensemble based," Fraction indicated.

"On CBR, there's a thread that just exploded," McCann thought."

This is very exciting!

tetragene
03-15-2008, 11:07 PM
Why has every Dazzler topic this week turned into a Jean or Sage discussion? :mad:

Novaya Havoc
03-15-2008, 11:11 PM
Why has every Dazzler topic this week turned into a Jean or Sage discussion? :mad:

It's okay! This is great news!

Slung
03-15-2008, 11:21 PM
Why has every Dazzler topic this week turned into a Jean or Sage discussion? :mad:

Jean feels bad for having joined in the Dazzler fun. She's just so very lonely and un-fabulous in the WHR and just wanted to enjoy the glow and fierce sparkle of Dazzler week. Please accept her apology and know she is looking down and supporting Dazzler from Diva Heaven.

Jake V
03-15-2008, 11:23 PM
And you have boobs as your avatar. Obviously, the right thing is not something you are fully capable of making.
Dazzler boobs.

And if Dazzler boobs are wrong, I don't want to be right.

I'm sure you can relate with being wrong, choosing Jean as a favorite character and all.

Novaya Havoc
03-15-2008, 11:25 PM
Jean feels bad for having joined in the Dazzler fun. She's just so very lonely and un-fabulous in the WHR and just wanted to enjoy the glow and fierce sparkle of Dazzler week. Please accept her apology and know she is looking down and supporting Dazzler from Diva Heaven.

Jean is flippin fabulous, Slung-o! We most join in an unholy DivaSparkle Union! Dazzler, Jean, AND Emma v. the notorious LONGSHOT and NEW X-MEN forces that dare strike us down!

I'm so f'in high right now.

But Dazzler wouldn't have it any other way!!!

Slung
03-15-2008, 11:58 PM
Dazzler boobs.

And if Dazzler boobs are wrong, I don't want to be right.

I'm sure you can relate with being wrong, choosing Jean as a favorite character and all.

Jean absolves your treachery and blasphemous words. She is a benevolent favorite character. And although Jean is nonjudgmental about your mother-related obsession with mammaries, I, personally, find it tres tacky.

Jean is flippin fabulous, Slung-o! We most join in an unholy DivaSparkle Union! Dazzler, Jean, AND Emma v. the notorious LONGSHOT and NEW X-MEN forces that dare strike us down!

I'm so f'in high right now.

But Dazzler wouldn't have it any other way!!!

Unholy DivaSparkle Union! The X-Men will NEVER be the same!!

Oh, the ecumenical love that comes from DivaSparkles!

metalgorgomon
03-16-2008, 01:32 AM
I like both Dazzler and Longshot. So, August will definitely be my month! Dazzler as the mutant Madonna? Couldn't be more happier than that. Always associated Dazzler with Madonna or Kylie. She deserves the superstar status of Madonna.
I'm still not sure that she'll join the core cast though.. Too bad that Land will draw her. I want Choi to draw sexy Dazzler!

streator
03-16-2008, 08:03 AM
i'd rather her not be in uncanny but i'll give brubaker & fraction a chance. the cast sounds like it'll be pretty fluid, anyway.

Novaya Havoc
03-16-2008, 08:06 AM
Another character is joining "X-Force," and McCann made a case for Dazzler, which then Kyle thought meant killing her.

"I'm also writing 'Criminal,'" McCann said, "and Dazzler is in it." Brubaker stopped laughing at that.





LOL Jim McCann is the best.

Besides, we all know Kyle and Yost are using Lois London in X-Force!

Novaya Havoc
03-16-2008, 11:40 AM
It's pretty funny what they said about a thread exploding on CBR.

Kind of sad that we're now actually known for that, but funny.

-D

?! Known for what? Being the sexiest, most fabulous internet message board for the X-Books?

That we're fun, fancy free, and full of divasparkle while we sip on Dazzletinis at our computers rather than be oober-nerds and chronically complain or post 2398 OMD threads?

Viva la CBR! Viva la Dazzler! CBR is Dazzler's birthplace of fan frenzy!

timbox
03-16-2008, 11:42 AM
So the Dazzler comment was a serious confirmation? It seemed like a lot of stuff said on the panel was in jest. Not sure what to take seriously and what was supposed to be funny.

Novaya Havoc
03-16-2008, 11:46 AM
So the Dazzler comment was a serious confirmation? It seemed like a lot of stuff said on the panel was in jest. Not sure what to take seriously and what was supposed to be funny.

It's true. Jim McCann and Ben Morse are vying for the Dazzler vote right now!

It's for srs real.

Nyssane
03-16-2008, 11:57 AM
I wonder if we'll see cameos of old Dazzler supporting characters. Cassandra!

Novaya Havoc
03-16-2008, 11:59 AM
I wonder if we'll see cameos of old Dazzler supporting characters. Cassandra!

We need to know the 411 on some Ferlenghetti. Cassie was such a BITCH! And she and Dazz were so CATTY to each other!

But San Fran means Dazz is closer to her West Coast peepz, including her magical sister... LOIS LONDON!

Hi-Fi
03-16-2008, 12:05 PM
What about all that sex teased?

We should create a pool: "Who Should Dazzler Sleep With?"

Novaya Havoc
03-16-2008, 12:09 PM
What about all that sex teased?

We should create a pool: "Who Should Dazzler Sleep With?"

Angel.

It has to be Angel.

Brian M.
03-16-2008, 12:10 PM
Angel.

It has to be Angel.

It would be nice to see someone w/ the kind of business sense of Angel sleeping w/ someone who didn't just graduate high school.

rwsmith
03-16-2008, 12:12 PM
What about all that sex teased?

We should create a pool: "Who Should Dazzler Sleep With?"

Wolverine will tap that ass. I'm calling it now. :evilsmile

Dagger
03-16-2008, 12:20 PM
It would be nice to see someone w/ the kind of business sense of Angel sleeping w/ someone who didn't just graduate high school.
Right! She even went to law school and graduated!

Affinity
03-16-2008, 01:33 PM
Wolverine will tap that ass. I'm calling it now. :evilsmile
As much as we want it to be Angel I could see this happening, too!

ClanAskani
03-16-2008, 01:35 PM
Angel.

It has to be Angel.

Yeah, but with Angel's history, wouldn't he pick Pixie over Dazzler? ;)

Flameworthy
03-16-2008, 02:08 PM
Yeah, but with Angel's history, wouldn't he pick Pixie over Dazzler? ;)

No, because Chuck Austen is not the one writing it.;)

Shadowbrat
03-16-2008, 02:32 PM
Ha! Dazzler will sleep with Wolverine in 2008. Mark my words.

everybody will sleep with Wolverine in 2008

Madrox84
03-16-2008, 02:35 PM
Yay, that's fantastic news!

What a way to end Dazzler week.

DeniseXfrost
03-16-2008, 09:47 PM
I've always thought Emma is the mutant madonna with the fake british accent and all. Dazzler and Kylie...I can see the comparison.

protogarrett
03-17-2008, 09:08 AM
Meh. Hopefully, it's a minor role. Never been a big Dazzler fan. She seems to whiney and co-dependent most of the time to me. Feel free to argue, but I that's just my opinion.

Brian M.
03-17-2008, 09:10 AM
Meh. Hopefully, it's a minor role. Never been a big Dazzler fan. She seems to whiney and co-dependent most of the time to me. Feel free to argue, but I that's just my opinion.

I'd like to see her experience come into play. She's a veteran of the combat, not just the X-Men. All that time in the Mojoverse fighting and leading...it'd be nice to see that come into play.

darknessatnoon
03-17-2008, 09:16 AM
She was also a Gladiator for a while! Like Storm!

Novaya Havoc
03-17-2008, 10:08 AM
Meh. Hopefully, it's a minor role. Never been a big Dazzler fan. She seems to whiney and co-dependent most of the time to me. Feel free to argue, but I that's just my opinion.

Well, your opinion is FALSE and full of Claremontian LIES.

Lacuna
03-17-2008, 11:34 AM
Well, your opinion is FALSE and full of Claremontian LIES.

Big. Fat. WORD.

dazzler_slave
03-17-2008, 12:30 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13374

YAY!

YESYESYEYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dazzler_slave
03-17-2008, 12:32 PM
Meh. Hopefully, it's a minor role. Never been a big Dazzler fan. She seems to whiney and co-dependent most of the time to me. Feel free to argue, but I that's just my opinion.
*sniff* whatever babe, you're banished from my sight forevermore...

dazzler_slave
03-17-2008, 12:33 PM
She was also a Gladiator for a while! Like Storm!Umm, not just like Storm. I'll have yu know she was WAY hotter and INFINITELY more fabulous!

dazzler_slave
03-17-2008, 12:33 PM
Well, your opinion is FALSE and full of Claremontian LIES.

Lies I tell you! Lies! You are totally right my darling!

dazzler_slave
03-17-2008, 12:34 PM
Big. Fat. WORD.

OK I just have to say I L.O.V.E. your avatar!!! Tres Fab!

Valeria Kementari
03-17-2008, 09:04 PM
Is it not like the best way to end DAzzler week???? This news is great... pitty DW is over :( when is the next one?

Novaya Havoc
03-17-2008, 09:10 PM
Is it not like the best way to end DAzzler week???? This news is great... pitty DW is over :( when is the next one?

Character weeks are rare and special events. But Dazzler Week was MUCH BETTER than the last two character weeks!

I think only a Sage Week could top this one for fun and hilarity, even if for ENTIRELY OPPOSITE reasons.

metalgorgomon
03-17-2008, 11:06 PM
What exactly a mutant 'madonna' means? I hope it means a mutant singer that is very popular and is the reigning queen of pop music.. I can see that in Dazzler.

worstblogever
03-17-2008, 11:59 PM
I theorized that Nightcrawler may have pulled the car over and shagged Ali when he "took her to the airport" back prior to her first X-Men appearances prior to the Dark Phoenix Saga. Maybe Kurt's just going to show the Dazzler some more acrobatic ability in the sack?

I'm doubting on Wolverine. Even more so that Colossus would give Ms. Blaire a "steely Dan".

Angel is the leading candidate for Dazzler chew toy.

Carry on.

Lombardo!
03-18-2008, 05:43 AM
Dazzler will have sex with Dazzler.

and Lombardo! will reap all the benefits...

frog
03-18-2008, 07:04 AM
From a article at Wizard Entertainment:

When prodded by Dazzler mega-fan McCann, Fraction also revealed that the light-shooting singer will appear in the book as early is issue 501. “She’s discovered a late career as a mutant entertainer in San Francisco and has quite a colossal following out there,” said Fraction. “We’re building the book where it’s not necessarily team-based. It’s ensemble-based. And Ed and I are trading arcs, so it’s co-plotted, but then each of us script. I’m doing my books and he’s doing his. But we’re going to rotate around who we want. Different casts will come and go, but the idea is that everyone is kind of coming out to San Francisco. So Dazzler will be around for a few issues. I’m a big fan of the Claremont/Sienkiewicz New Mutants issues, so any time any of those characters show it, it’s probably one of my scripts. I’m like, ‘No, no! It’s great! It’s Karma! Get it? Karma!’”

Novaya Havoc
03-18-2008, 07:17 AM
OOoo! Thanks, frog!

“She’s discovered a late career as a mutant entertainer in San Francisco and has quite a colossal following out there.”

YES! Dazzler's gay fans will rise up!

The Sword Is Drawn
03-18-2008, 07:34 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but...

Dazzler will be back in "Uncanny X-Men" #501, as the "mutant madonna," discovering a "late career as a mutant entertainer in San Francisco. We're building a team where it's not very team based, but more ensemble based."

Isn't this the exact same plot Claremont was running with on New Excalibur - only using the far more likely 'attempting a relaunch in the UK' angle?

The difference here, of course, is it might be followed through with better.

Daithi
03-18-2008, 07:37 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but...Isn't this the exact same plot Claremont was running with on New Excalibur - only using the far more likely 'attempting a relaunch in the UK' angle?

I thought Claremont's Dazzler was this person with a soul as black as midnight and is suffering through something. Then we get Pink and her grrlfriends and nothing is touched upon.

The Uncanny stuff sounds interesting though.

timbox
03-18-2008, 07:37 AM
From a article at Wizard Entertainment:

So Dazzler will be around for a few issues.

I wonder if she's going to go with the X-team on any missions, or if they're just going to have her show up, sing some songs, and shoots lasers around the room.

tetragene
03-18-2008, 07:50 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but...

Isn't this the exact same plot Claremont was running with on New Excalibur - only using the far more likely 'attempting a relaunch in the UK' angle?

The difference here, of course, is it might be followed through with better.

The thing is--Claremont never really indicated exactly what he was doing. Dazzler just showed up in the UK singing in her old get-up and we were all left to deduce/assume what happened (and the first issue indicated that the people in the bar weren't too hot on her--no duh if she's performing to a punk-ish crowd--if she's a dance artist throw her in a gay bar, Claremont! :rolleyes: ). Nothing in the entire NEX 2 year run every even hinted at why she was performing in the UK. For all that we know from that run we could just as well assume she all of a sudden wanted to live in the UK. And if she was trying to revive her singing career she quickly forgot it to join a team of superheroes, most of whom she barely knew :confused:

Novaya Havoc
03-18-2008, 08:28 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but...



Isn't this the exact same plot Claremont was running with on New Excalibur - only using the far more likely 'attempting a relaunch in the UK' angle?

The difference here, of course, is it might be followed through with better.

I thought Claremont's Dazzler was this person with a soul as black as midnight and is suffering through something. Then we get Pink and her grrlfriends and nothing is touched upon.

The Uncanny stuff sounds interesting though.

What Daithi said. CC said that Dazzler was all noir and gloom. It was just his excuse to butch her up and attack her fabulosity!

I wonder if she's going to go with the X-team on any missions, or if they're just going to have her show up, sing some songs, and shoots lasers around the room.

Jim McCann promised she will join, and I am fully confident that she is joining. And now -- her army of gay men will feature!

Flameworthy
03-18-2008, 11:32 AM
Meh. Hopefully, it's a minor role. Never been a big Dazzler fan. She seems to whiney and co-dependent most of the time to me. Feel free to argue, but I that's just my opinion.

You've obviously not read her solo series.

OMG, I'm so excited for #501, especially now that I know it'll be Fraction using her and probably not Brubaker! That is a big sigh of relief. I seriously did not want him screwing over another one of my favorite characters.

DarthCyclopsRLZ
03-18-2008, 11:51 AM
What Daithi said. CC said that Dazzler was all noir and gloom. It was just his excuse to butch her up and attack her fabulosity!

Part of me still wonder WTF she was doing in the book.

Her bad moments weren't even about pimping Sage, were they? :confused:

They were just bad moments. With no point whatsoever.

Matthew K.
03-18-2008, 12:07 PM
Part of me still wonder WTF she was doing in the book.

Her bad moments weren't even about pimping Sage, were they? :confused:

They were just bad moments. With no point whatsoever.

You mean, the book wasn't all bad moments with no point whatsoever?

DarthCyclopsRLZ
03-18-2008, 12:10 PM
You mean, the book wasn't all bad moments with no point whatsoever?

I was rather and specifically referring to moments of shameless character abuse.

CC usually has the sense to use the abuse as a tool to pimp his favs. But this time... nope, not even that. It was just there, lol.

Dazzler
03-18-2008, 03:27 PM
I think it's hilarious that if Dazzler were truly to come to San Francisco, her NEX look would be more in fashion than anything remotely resembling Kylie Minogue...
The stylish women of the city aren't divas...they're more fashion bohemian.
Sure, SF's got a huge gay population and whatnot, but if you're looking for sugar-pop "fabulous", San Francisco's not it.
You'd be looking desperately for Los Angeles.

Also, just pointing out the only dames who dress like Kylie in town are drag queens. ;)

--Dazz

Novaya Havoc
03-18-2008, 03:34 PM
Negative Nancy.

Dazzler
03-18-2008, 03:43 PM
Negative Nancy.

Nah, nothing negative about it. I think it's great.
I think she could totally be like a biologically female Peaches Christ!

--Dazz

darknessatnoon
03-18-2008, 03:50 PM
Nah, nothing negative about it. I think it's great.
I think she could totally be like a biologically female Peaches Christ!

--Dazz

I have met Peaches Christ.

I know Peaches Christ.

Peaches Christ is no Dazzler.

Dazzler
03-18-2008, 03:51 PM
I have met Peaches Christ.

I know Peaches Christ.

Peaches Christ is no Dazzler.

Yeah, me too.

And I disagree.

I think Dazzler COULD be.

--Dazz

darknessatnoon
03-18-2008, 03:53 PM
Yeah, me too.

And I disagree.

I think Dazzler COULD be.

--Dazz

Metal Patricia, however, would make an excellent Lila Cheney.

Dazzler
03-18-2008, 03:55 PM
Metal Patricia, however, would make an excellent Lila Cheney.

Lila who? ;)
Lila Cheney, in my humble opinion, doesn't rate a drag counterpart.


--Dazz

PS: Clearly, you've partied at Trannyshack. You are now awesome.

darknessatnoon
03-18-2008, 03:57 PM
Lila who? ;)
Lila Cheney, in my humble opinion, doesn't rate a drag counterpart.


--Dazz

PS: Clearly, you've partied at Trannyshack. You are now awesome.

lol, yes. At the Stud.

Dazzler
03-18-2008, 04:04 PM
lol, yes. At the Stud.

Snazzy! Well, it's a small little crazy world, innit?

--Dazz

Pink Bat Maxine
03-18-2008, 05:46 PM
Yeah, SF is a 'dress casual' kinda town. The divalicious performers here are drag queens.... otherwise, not so much. I see a lot more Ultimate Dazzler types in clubs than Silver Lame ones...... unless the performer is wearin' a lot of foundation and rockin' a tuck.

Really, SF's not a 'Glam Town'.... anyone used to the club scenes in New York or LA who comes here comments there's really no dressing up in 'Frisco. We're a very dress casual/come as you are kinda place.

I blame the hippies and their demon weed.

However, if Dazz wants to come here, we'll show her a good time!

darknessatnoon
03-18-2008, 06:28 PM
Snazzy! Well, it's a small little crazy world, innit?

--Dazz

It is! as another regular poster here can also attest to!

Yeah, SF is a 'dress casual' kinda town. The divalicious performers here are drag queens.... otherwise, not so much. I see a lot more Ultimate Dazzler types in clubs than Silver Lame ones...... unless the performer is wearin' a lot of foundation and rockin' a tuck.

Really, SF's not a 'Glam Town'.... anyone used to the club scenes in New York or LA who comes here comments there's really no dressing up in 'Frisco. We're a very dress casual/come as you are kinda place.

I blame the hippies and their demon weed.

However, if Dazz wants to come here, we'll show her a good time!

I agree it's a forced fit, but I have mucho confidence that Fraction will make it work. Anyway, LA wouldn't be good for her. She'd get too strung out.

Novaya Havoc
03-18-2008, 06:54 PM
Yeah, SF is a 'dress casual' kinda town. The divalicious performers here are drag queens.... otherwise, not so much. I see a lot more Ultimate Dazzler types in clubs than Silver Lame ones...... unless the performer is wearin' a lot of foundation and rockin' a tuck.

Really, SF's not a 'Glam Town'.... anyone used to the club scenes in New York or LA who comes here comments there's really no dressing up in 'Frisco. We're a very dress casual/come as you are kinda place.

I blame the hippies and their demon weed.

However, if Dazz wants to come here, we'll show her a good time!

It's the same here in Chicago, but we don't expect the SPICE GIRLS or JANET or MADONNA to be slummin it!

Dazzler will be divadivine in her glam outfits of far out fabulous, and surrounded by her gay fans of disco heaven reveries!

Dazzler
03-18-2008, 06:57 PM
It is! as another regular poster here can also attest to!

It's six degrees of separation in action... ;)


I agree it's a forced fit, but I have mucho confidence that Fraction will make it work. Anyway, LA wouldn't be good for her. She'd get too strung out.
I don't really think it's a forced fit, really. I think she works WAY better in San Francisco than NYC or LA (you're right, she would just get way too strung out on LA attitude and NYC takes itself WAY too seriously). San Francisco is a nice fit in that it's all about being fun, talented, and more than a little tongue in cheek. Anyone who builds a career out of a disco schtick on rollerskates (!) is bound to have a built in audience here.
The only place I could think of that would be a better fit is London, but sadly, that went nowhere quick. Hopefully, SF'll be much more kind to her. And it sounds like it will!

--Dazz

CyberHubbs
03-18-2008, 07:11 PM
Hoping for a guitar-toting coffee shop Dazzler. Trying to leave the superhero business behind and start a career, but much like the Mafia it manages to drag her back into all of the chaos.

Novaya Havoc
03-18-2008, 07:15 PM
Hoping for a guitar-toting coffee shop Dazzler.

Dazzler is NOT an energy spirit pendant, fair-trade coffee-drinking, folk music HIPPIE!

She is divaglam. She wears a DISCO BALL around her neck, not some cheap Tibetan trinket that belongs on Stuff White People Like (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/)!

She is a glam performer. She is not brooding, or condescending, or indie! She is fabulosity in a tight little silver package!

SYBERNYMPH
03-18-2008, 07:22 PM
Now They Should Bring Back Lifeguard And Change Her Back To Blonde And Beautiful

CyberHubbs
03-18-2008, 07:22 PM
Dazzler is NOT an energy spirit pendant, fair-trade coffee-drinking, folk music HIPPIE!

She is divaglam. She wears a DISCO BALL around her neck, not some cheap Tibetan trinket that belongs on Stuff White People Like (http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/)!

She is a glam performer. She is not brooding, or condescending, or indie! She is fabulosity in a tight little silver package!

I'd turn her Indie. One of those long-sleeved blouses with the frilly cuffs and a black suede jacket. Just to see how much hate mail you can send out in one sitting. :p

She has to sooner or later realize that Disco is, indeed, dead.

Dazzler
03-18-2008, 07:22 PM
She is a glam performer. She is not brooding, or condescending, or indie! She is fabulosity in a tight little silver package!
If she's been performing in the same style and venues as she was in Deadpool, that seems glam-ish underground/indie. Especially if she's still courting the disco look.

--Dazz

AZPolaris
03-18-2008, 07:23 PM
Can I Get An Aaaaammeen!!!!

To Novaya that is. Damn people post fast.

jester1436
03-18-2008, 07:25 PM
NO ONE WANTS DISCO DAZZLER, DAMMIT.

Divaglam Dazzler is a glamorous pop diva, she doesn't have to be frigging disco, Kylie isn't disco! Madonna isn't disco! They are DIVAGLAMPOPFABULOUS.

Disco doesn't necessarily equal glam, even if they share SIMILAR elements.

drwho
03-18-2008, 07:27 PM
I really cant wait till we see dazzler strung out on drugs from being dumped by a man that has no memory like Longshot. :p Wonder which music stereotype she will fill this time. She has done disco and rock perhaps goth is next.

Novaya Havoc
03-18-2008, 07:28 PM
I'd turn her Indie. One of those long-sleeved blouses with the frilly cuffs and a black suede jacket. Just to see how much hate mail you can send out in one sitting. :p

She has to sooner or later realize that Disco is, indeed, dead.

Disco never died, as Gail Simone adroitly pointed out in Deadpool #67.

Are you calling Gail Simone an idiot?

jester1436
03-18-2008, 07:29 PM
Disco never died, as Gail Simone adroitly pointed out in Deadpool #67.

Are you calling Gail Simone an idiot?

Disco, like a butterfly, entered a chrysalis and TRANSFORMED into a myriad of dance and pop styles.

DISCO FOREVER!

Novaya Havoc
03-18-2008, 07:29 PM
I really cant wait till we see dazzler strung out on drugs from being dumped by a man that has no memory like Longshot. :p Wonder which music stereotype she will fill this time. She has done disco and rock perhaps goth is next.

Perhaps you can go and hug a cactus.

CyberHubbs
03-18-2008, 07:34 PM
Disco never died, as Gail Simone adroitly pointed out in Deadpool #67.

Are you calling Gail Simone an idiot?

If the disco ball fits...;)

Novaya Havoc
03-18-2008, 07:37 PM
If the disco ball fits...;)

Thanks for summoning all of YABS to this thread! :mad:

http://knitemare.org/cats/king-o-thread.jpg

_Jayme_
03-18-2008, 07:39 PM
I admit it..

I wouldn't typically be hyped up about this, but you guys are rubbing off on me. :o

Nah, Dazzler and Emma will sleep together.....

WHAT!?

Dazzler
03-18-2008, 07:41 PM
Thanks for summoning all of YABS to this thread! :mad:

Ouch. That could get nasty.

--Dazz

CyberHubbs
03-18-2008, 07:41 PM
Thanks for summoning all of YABS to this thread! :mad:

http://knitemare.org/cats/king-o-thread.jpg

Nah. I liked Simone's JLU episode. Haven't read most of her other stuff, though. Not big on Deadpool, either. He's funnier in small doses to me.

I just have a picture of "divaglam" Dazzler in my head and it worries me to see that in Uncanny.

Dazzler
03-18-2008, 07:46 PM
Nah. I liked Simone's JLU episode. Haven't read most of her other stuff, though. Not big on Deadpool, either. He's funnier in small doses to me.
You're missing out on some funny stuff. The fact that she paired up Dazzler and Deadpool made my attention swing to her. I didn't think it would work, but, strangely enough, it was perfection. She even managed to make the disco era Dazzler work splendidly in a "modern" context. Not to mention it was hilarious. And I *hate* Deadpool!

I just have a picture of "divaglam" Dazzler in my head and it worries me to see that in Uncanny.
Don't worry. I'm betting that she'll be a basic Dazzler archetype more than an ACTUAL Madonna clone.

--Dazz

Pink Bat Maxine
03-19-2008, 09:11 AM
Divaglam Dazzler is a glamorous pop diva, she doesn't have to be frigging disco, Kylie isn't disco! Madonna isn't disco! They are DIVAGLAMPOPFABULOUS.

They're also yesterday's news.

Just sayin'.

Novaya Havoc
03-19-2008, 11:58 AM
They're also yesterday's news.

Just sayin'.

Your FACE is TODAY's news.

tetragene
03-19-2008, 12:13 PM
They're also yesterday's news.

Just sayin'.

How though? They are both releasing/released new albums this year (Kylie's "X" has done well so far, Madonna's album is getting a lot of hype), neither are starved for fans, and they are both still performing/working as of now. What qualifies them as yesterday's news? Being over 35? :confused:

jester1436
03-19-2008, 01:02 PM
They're also yesterday's news.

Just sayin'.

Seriously?

What female performer is actually popular and relevant today then? Perhaps Miley Cyrus?

Please.

That's really the most off the mark piece of snark I've seen on these forums in a long time. Yes, PLEASE, which female singer in any genre is the NEW, NOW, NEXT to inspire Dazzler?

Perhaps, PRINCESS SUPERSTAR?

http://i25.tinypic.com/akac6w.jpg

Or maybe Beyonce?

http://i29.tinypic.com/bdmvc4.jpg

Or perhaps just Kylie and Madonna who continuously successful careers and reinvent themselves successfully over and over. Or maybe, as Tetra said, being over 35 makes them too old? Hmmm, because they're certainly still cranking out hit records.

Dagger
03-19-2008, 01:09 PM
I don't know about hit records. You never hear anything from Kylie on U.S. radio's anymore, and Madonna usually get's about one single on the radio, and then it quickly fizzles into nothingness. Probably her last big hit was the Music album, although she had a few good songs over the last few years, none were very radio friendly, or long lasting appeal.

Although, with her working with Timbaland, and his very club friendly style that's taking America by storm now, her new album may be just what Madge needs.

jester1436
03-19-2008, 01:46 PM
I don't know about hit records. You never hear anything from Kylie on U.S. radio's anymore, and Madonna usually get's about one single on the radio, and then it quickly fizzles into nothingness. Probably her last big hit was the Music album, although she had a few good songs over the last few years, none were very radio friendly, or long lasting appeal.

Although, with her working with Timbaland, and his very club friendly style that's taking America by storm now, her new album may be just what Madge needs.

In the scope of hit records, Kylie has been getting them worldwide since the late 80s. Her American career is an after thought, but her records SELL worldwide. She hasn't released a record in the US and actually promoted it since - maybe - "Body Language", which was several years ago and her song "Slow" managed to make the US chart even if it wasn't huge. Her current album hasn't been released here, but worldwide it has three top 10 hits already.

And Madonna's last big US hit was off her last album. "Hung Up" was a top 10 hit and it - and the other singles - were even bigger outside the US. And with her new single out now, she could have another huge hit on her hands in the US and everywhere else.

And regardless of the possible success or failure of Kylie's "All I See" and Madonna's "4 Minutes", they present a successful model for Dazz to emulate, more so than who? What other women are out there right now? Dazzler isn't going to get comparisons to flat out R&B singers and there are currently no female rock singers anymore relevant than Kylie or Madonna. Debbie Harry and Shirley Manson are fabulous, but equally glam and less successful than either previous woman. That girl from Paramore? Or GENDERSWAP like with Pete Wentz Ultimate Dazzler.

Swashbuckler
03-19-2008, 01:58 PM
In the scope of hit records, Kylie has been getting them worldwide since the late 80s. Her American career is an after thought, but her records SELL worldwide. She hasn't released a record in the US and actually promoted it since - maybe - "Body Language", which was several years ago and her song "Slow" managed to make the US chart even if it wasn't huge. Her current album hasn't been released here, but worldwide it has three top 10 hits already.

And Madonna's last big US hit was off her last album. "Hung Up" was a top 10 hit and it - and the other singles - were even bigger outside the US. And with her new single out now, she could have another huge hit on her hands in the US and everywhere else.

And regardless of the possible success or failure of Kylie's "All I See" and Madonna's "4 Minutes", they present a successful model for Dazz to emulate, more so than who? What other women are out there right now? Dazzler isn't going to get comparisons to flat out R&B singers and there are currently no female rock singers anymore relevant than Kylie or Madonna. Debbie Harry and Shirley Manson are fabulous, but equally glam and less successful than either previous woman. That girl from Paramore? Or GENDERSWAP like with Pete Wentz Ultimate Dazzler.

What's sad is that you're arguing that TOP 10 makes it good music. In my opinion, very few things that hit TOP 10 are genuinely unique, inspired or an effort of the actual artist.

jester1436
03-19-2008, 02:15 PM
What's sad is that you're arguing that TOP 10 makes it good music. In my opinion, very few things that hit TOP 10 are genuinely unique, inspired or an effort of the actual artist.

Quite frankly, I couldn't give a shit what your opinion on anything is. Your statement in itself is a regurgitation of numerous other pretentious posers.

OMG I HATE POP HITS, I'M SO INDIE HARDCORE!

Though seriously, success or lack of it does not equate to good or bad music, and it's a moron who functions from that equation.

Pach!
03-19-2008, 02:18 PM
top 10 hits are as close as you can get to determine relevance since taste is subjective. More people think a top 10 hit is good than people that think a top 100 song is.

Swashbuckler
03-19-2008, 02:23 PM
Quite frankly, I couldn't give a shit what your opinion on anything is. Your statement in itself is a regurgitation of numerous other pretentious posers.

OMG I HATE POP HITS, I'M SO INDIE HARDCORE!

Though seriously, success or lack of it does not equate to good or bad music, and it's a moron who functions from that equation.

So sorry to rain on your parade Jester. Thanks for being rude though. As I said before, I like some top 10 stuff, but not a lot of it. Honestly, I don't know two sheets about Kylie's music. It's not a genre I enjoy and I'm guessing I wouldn't like it, but that's not how I'd decide if she was a good artist anyhow. I consider someone who is multi-talented in singing, dancing or designing their own videos, writing his or her own music. That's what's important in my mind as to if the artist is good. If it's produced shlop then no, so perhaps you can enlighten me on Kylie's abilities of music production without being snarky for once.

tetragene
03-19-2008, 02:52 PM
So sorry to rain on your parade Jester. Thanks for being rude though. As I said before, I like some top 10 stuff, but not a lot of it. Honestly, I don't know two sheets about Kylie's music. It's not a genre I enjoy and I'm guessing I wouldn't like it, but that's not how I'd decide if she was a good artist anyhow. I consider someone who is multi-talented in singing, dancing or designing their own videos, writing his or her own music. That's what's important in my mind as to if the artist is good. If it's produced shlop then no, so perhaps you can enlighten me on Kylie's abilities of music production without being snarky for once.

Kylie's actually written or co-written a large number of her songs. The only time I can recall that she completely wrote lyrics, music, and produced a track was off her Impossible Princess album which (you may find hard to believe) was very unlike anything she had made before and like nothing she's made since--darker lyrics and next to no "glam." It was also the lowest selling record of her career, but ended becoming one of her most critically acclaimed (years later after everyone had initially bashed it, ironically).

Her most successful album to date is "Fever" (of which the insanely popular song "Can't Get You Out Of My Head" was on). It was more dance/electro inspired and was critically and commercially hailed upon release. It had a much more "Dazzler" esque vibe to it.

Most of the music she created for follow-up album "Body Language" was electro-ish tracks with a slight r&b tinge to them. The album didn't take off although, much like Impossible Princess, it's been critically hailed years after its release (Rolling Stone mag called it "the album Madonna should have done."). It was released in 2003/2004 and was actually ahead of its time, with some of today's music released by popular artists having a very similar sound to it.

Her album X already has 3 top 10 singles (as Jester mentioned) and it has not yet been released in the US. However within the one week it was on US iTunes it climbed up to the 43rd top albums position--on the back of no promo whatsoever.

a little Kylie 101 :p

Dazzler
03-19-2008, 03:17 PM
Though seriously, success or lack of it does not equate to good or bad music, and it's a moron who functions from that equation.

Isn't that kinda what you were saying?
Swashbuckler has a big giant point.

Dazzler just ISN'T and never HAS been a great big success. Why emulate Madonna when she's more of a Princess Superstar?
Why emulate Madonna when Princess Superstar is more unique and interesting than Madonna has been in 15 years? Or more.

--Dazz

Pink Bat Maxine
03-19-2008, 03:23 PM
Your FACE is TODAY's news.

That's what my stalkers tell me.

Novaya Havoc
03-19-2008, 03:27 PM
Isn't that kinda what you were saying?
Swashbuckler has a big giant point.

Dazzler just ISN'T and never HAS been a great big success. Why emulate Madonna when she's more of a Princess Superstar?
Why emulate Madonna when Princess Superstar is more unique and interesting than Madonna has been in 15 years? Or more.

--Dazz

Because no one knows who Princess Superstar is?

Because "Mutant Madonna" is really nothing more than a fun PR angle?

Because that distinction would set Dazzler apart from the other X-Men -- not to mention other MU superheroes -- rather than just make her "Generic Superhero v. 10192 who happens to sing?"

Because when making her "Generic Superhero v. 10192 who happens to sing" it resulted in character failure for several years and canned one title?

Take your pick, chica.

Dazzler
03-19-2008, 03:49 PM
Because no one knows who Princess Superstar is?

Because "Mutant Madonna" is really nothing more than a fun PR angle?

Because that distinction would set Dazzler apart from the other X-Men -- not to mention other MU superheroes -- rather than just make her "Generic Superhero v. 10192 who happens to sing?"

Because when making her "Generic Superhero v. 10192 who happens to sing" it resulted in character failure for several years and canned one title?

Take your pick, chica.

Well, I wasn't saying that she should BE Princess Superstar, actually.
And yes, I understand WHY they would say that she's the "mutant madonna."
But making her a generic "glam diva" is about the same thing as making her the generic "superhero that sings".
She's more of Princess Superstar because she's always been on the indie/cult edges rather than being someone who sells out Wimbley. The one, count em, ONE time she's performed before a huge audience, she was the opening act.
Making her all about success now is not going to make her a more interesting character.

--Dazz

tetragene
03-19-2008, 03:50 PM
Isn't that kinda what you were saying?
Swashbuckler has a big giant point.

Dazzler just ISN'T and never HAS been a great big success. Why emulate Madonna when she's more of a Princess Superstar?
Why emulate Madonna when Princess Superstar is more unique and interesting than Madonna has been in 15 years? Or more.

--Dazz

I think it boils down to more of a stylistically and musically basing than a "so and so is more/less popular/successful, they should base Dazzler off her." Stylistically and musically you can't get any closer to Dazzler, in my mind, than Kylie or Madonna. You can argue voices, range, age, credibility, popularity, etc, etc all the live long day--those are the closest real-world counterparts you'll get to Dazz (and vice versa) when it comes to style and music.

Novaya Havoc
03-19-2008, 06:47 PM
Well, I wasn't saying that she should BE Princess Superstar, actually.
And yes, I understand WHY they would say that she's the "mutant madonna."
But making her a generic "glam diva" is about the same thing as making her the generic "superhero that sings".
She's more of Princess Superstar because she's always been on the indie/cult edges rather than being someone who sells out Wimbley. The one, count em, ONE time she's performed before a huge audience, she was the opening act.
Making her all about success now is not going to make her a more interesting character.

--Dazz

Don't play canon wars. I'm talking about marketable/effective characterization.


We saw what happened when Dazzler's character MO was all "I'm so hated and feared and hate myself" blah blah blah. What did it do for the character?

Well, we got:

Two, TWO, stories that were precursors to the "critically acclaimed" Storm: The Arena.

Lila Cheney not-so-fly girl.

"Oh, dumb silly me!"

Her secret desire to be a bag lady so she could manage expectations.

Mojoworld Rebllll.

And then, of course, the very noir "edgy" Ali just like every noir "edgy" superhero ever. But instead of training in the Danger Room or reading Proust, she'd sing in her spare time.


That's not character diversity. Hell, it's not even a character M.O. Dazzler needs to be reworked, and reworking her as a glam gay/mutant subculture sensation who has lofty self/societal ambitions? SENSE. Lots of it.

"Let's hang around and do good, and sometimes I'll sing because that's my character hook since the inception?" Doesn't work. Hey -- we saw what we got with Dazzler when the singing was dropped altogether: Mojoworld. Where she was "Longshot's Wife."


She's the Dazzler. Not the Broodler the Sulkler or the ActivistCounterCulturaler. She's the Dazzler and she dazzles.

"You're going to be okay, Ms. Alison Blaire!"

Dazzler
03-19-2008, 06:53 PM
I think it boils down to more of a stylistically and musically basing than a "so and so is more/less popular/successful, they should base Dazzler off her." Stylistically and musically you can't get any closer to Dazzler, in my mind, than Kylie or Madonna. You can argue voices, range, age, credibility, popularity, etc, etc all the live long day--those are the closest real-world counterparts you'll get to Dazz (and vice versa) when it comes to style and music.
I can certainly understand why some people would see her that way. There are more times than not I'm listening to Kylie and thinking...yeah...this is Dazzler.
And style-wise, I think Kylie is certainly a Dazzler fit.
(I'll leave Madonna out...she's not exactly fresh anymore in my mind.)

But, personally, I think of Dazzler as not quite as spectacle oriented as Kylie and Madonna, and a little more music based rather than entertainment based. "Divas" focus more on spectacle, whereas I've always seen Dazzler focus more on music. Yeah, she's a dancer and has the skates and light show and all, but she's always performing on pretty much bare stages in the dreaded "indie/underground" clubs (even her Carnegie hall appearance was pretty spectacle-less) or small dance clubs with actual bands.

Plus, I find her pretty schticky. And that's okay, to me. Even in her first appearance, she was already retro. You could certainly look at her ironically in that light, and if her entire persona is built upon being tongue-in-cheek (as I see her), she's not so much an earnestly glam performer as a take on glam.

But, ultimately, it's a good thing for all of us that we can make her be whatever we want in our minds. None of us are really ever going to "hear" Dazzler. Because I'm the devil and like indie music, she is more Princess Superstar/MIA/Peaches/Old School Blondie than anything else, whereas others, as is the fun of it, could see her as Madonna, Barbara Streisand, Janet Jackson, Tom Jones, or anybody.

--Dazz

Novaya Havoc
03-19-2008, 06:57 PM
But, personally, I think of Dazzler as not quite as spectacle oriented as Kylie and Madonna, and a little more music based rather than entertainment based. "Divas" focus more on spectacle, whereas I've always seen Dazzler focus more on music.

You can't just brush over her lights. She is the Dazzler. She has lightshows that compliment - or upstage - her music.

The whole character lives in spectacle. Her lightshows set her apart. She's nothing if not spectacle.

You want the indie grunge music with no spectacle? To Lila Cheney with you.

Hi-Fi
03-19-2008, 06:58 PM
Dazzler should be the mutant Aimee Mann. Or Stevie Nicks! Or maybe Regina Spektor? Or any other singer I love? I do like Kyle and Madonna. But they're not that special to me.

Pach!
03-19-2008, 06:59 PM
I think Dazzler should not be an unknown indie act, but rather close to being a huge pop/disco star so she would work as a bridge between humans and mutants.


If Princess Superstar was an alien the headlines would not be "Princess Superstar is an alien!" but rather "Who the eff is Princess Superstar?"

Dazzler
03-19-2008, 07:03 PM
You can't just brush over her lights. She is the Dazzler. She has lightshows that compliment - or upstage - her music.

The whole character lives in spectacle. Her lightshows set her apart. She's nothing if not spectacle.

You want the indie grunge music with no spectacle? To Lila Cheney with you.

Piffle. I stick with Dazzler.
Her lights may upstage her music, but it always has been music first with her. Even before she had the lights.

--Dazz

Hi-Fi
03-19-2008, 07:12 PM
Who the hell is Princess Superstar? Is that a real singer?

Dazzler
03-19-2008, 07:14 PM
Who the hell is Princess Superstar? Is that a real singer?
Yeah, she's real. She's out of NYC. Youtube her. Personally, I think she's hilarious and has a great sound. Others...not so much.

--Dazz

tetragene
03-19-2008, 08:15 PM
See for me the lights were always a big part of Dazzler's stage/music persona because she used them to set her apart from all the others. Her "built in" lightshows, rollerskates, and silver get-up were her way of making her stage show distinctive. If it was only about the music then why would she even bother creating a lightshow to accompany her singing? It was there to "dazzle" people--to put on a hell of a performance/show. Her voice was always said to be great and pure--but the captions always talked about the performance aspect of her as well. IMHO she's just as much a performer as she is a musician.

Dazzler
03-19-2008, 08:25 PM
See for me the lights were always a big part of Dazzler's stage/music persona because she used them to set her apart from all the others. Her "built in" lightshows, rollerskates, and silver get-up were her way of making her stage show distinctive. If it was only about the music then why would she even bother creating a lightshow to accompany her singing? It was there to "dazzle" people--to put on a hell of a performance/show. Her voice was always said to be great and pure--but the captions always talked about the performance aspect of her as well. IMHO she's just as much a performer as she is a musician.
No doubt about that, honestly.
I'm sure she was vying for distinction, but every performer that's not crunchy granola uses lights and has something of a stage show. Dazzler is, of course, a musician devoted to dance and feel-good music, so naturally something other than standing at a microphone with a guitar went along with her act. Luckily, her powers were to make light shows! I just don't think she's on the strapped to a disco-ball crucifix end of spectacle. She's never even had back-up dancers!
It's not *only* about the music, but I believe she always puts that before anything else.

--Dazz

Animalia
03-19-2008, 09:41 PM
Dazzler!!!!!!!!!
All I Can Say Is Yaay, Yaay, And More Yaay

Novaya Havoc
03-19-2008, 09:59 PM
No doubt about that, honestly.
I'm sure she was vying for distinction, but every performer that's not crunchy granola uses lights and has something of a stage show. Dazzler is, of course, a musician devoted to dance and feel-good music, so naturally something other than standing at a microphone with a guitar went along with her act. Luckily, her powers were to make light shows! I just don't think she's on the strapped to a disco-ball crucifix end of spectacle. She's never even had back-up dancers!
It's not *only* about the music, but I believe she always puts that before anything else.

--Dazz

No. Dazzler: The Movie. It was about her light powers.

She owns her mutant gift.

She's not hiding it and trying to focus on the music.

The lights are an intrinsic element of the "Dazzler" stage persona. And that's what it is. "Dazzler." Dazzler dazzles.

Alison Blaire sings.

She isn't Alison Blaire. She is Dazzler.

Animalia
03-19-2008, 10:08 PM
:D do u all think Dazzler is going to have her pink hair in UXM? :D

jester1436
03-19-2008, 10:13 PM
:D do u all think Dazzler is going to have her pink hair in UXM? :D

The sexy Marvel magic eight ball (Jim McCann) says no. No, she will not have pink hair.

Novaya Havoc
03-19-2008, 10:31 PM
:D do u all think Dazzler is going to have her pink hair in UXM? :D

:D No, I don't! But I'm sure that all the posters are just going to love you around here! :D

Animalia
03-19-2008, 11:03 PM
The sexy Marvel magic eight ball (Jim McCann) says no. No, she will not have pink hair.

good. prefered her blonde

Pink Bat Maxine
03-20-2008, 09:49 AM
But, ultimately, it's a good thing for all of us that we can make her be whatever we want in our minds. None of us are really ever going to "hear" Dazzler. Because I'm the devil and like indie music, she is more Princess Superstar/MIA/Peaches/Old School Blondie than anything else, whereas others, as is the fun of it, could see her as Madonna, Barbara Streisand, Janet Jackson, Tom Jones, or anybody.

--Dazz

I could definately see her as an old school Debbie Harry..... but a Debbie Harry who was still waiting tables at Max's Kansas City 'cause her career hasn't launched into the stratosphere yet.

I like to read about Dazzler being an 'up and comer', someone trying to land that major label deal than the been-there-done-that top 40 sensation that's on everyone's lips around the world. She should still be striving, IMHO. That was part of the fun of her original series, and I think the dynamic works well.

Jase Q
03-20-2008, 09:55 AM
:D No, I don't! But I'm sure that all the posters are just going to love you around here! :D


so long as its not that horrible disco look :evilsmile

Novaya Havoc
03-20-2008, 11:05 AM
so long as its not that horrible disco look :evilsmile

I'm gonna betchslap you, deck!

metalgorgomon
03-20-2008, 12:32 PM
good. prefered her blonde

We don't even know that it's gonna be blonde. Or Jim McCann already stated that? I don't really care what color her hair will be. She's a star, she's gonna pull it off whatever color her hair is. And yes.. including pink.:D

jester1436
03-20-2008, 01:51 PM
We don't even know that it's gonna be blonde. Or Jim McCann already stated that? I don't really care what color her hair will be. She's a star, she's gonna pull it off whatever color her hair is. And yes.. including pink.:D

I already said the sexy Marvel eight ball (Jim McCann) said BLONDE.

BLONDE.

metalgorgomon
03-20-2008, 06:03 PM
I already said the sexy Marvel eight ball (Jim McCann) said BLONDE.

BLONDE.

That's great. What about the haircut? Is she going to keep the short one in NEXC or going back to the long blonde hair or she's gonna have a new one?

Flâneur
03-20-2008, 09:10 PM
All the avid arguing in this thread about why Dazzler has to be Kylie or Madonna is making me less like the comparison. :(

If Dazzler is going to debut (again) in 501 does that mean Land shall be 'drawing' her?

tetragene
03-21-2008, 03:13 AM
All the avid arguing in this thread about why Dazzler has to be Kylie or Madonna is making me less like the comparison. :(

If Dazzler is going to debut (again) in 501 does that mean Land shall be 'drawing' her?

lol, I don't think anyone's been arguing that she "has" to be either of them--just arguing why they feel the comparison is appropriate in the first place since some posters indicated they didn't understand why the two were compared to Dazzler or thought Dazzler was an indie/guitar-toting/coffee house artist.

Flâneur
03-21-2008, 03:20 AM
lol, I don't think anyone's been arguing that she "has" to be either of them--just arguing why they feel the comparison is appropriate in the first place since some posters indicated they didn't understand why the two were compared to Dazzler or thought Dazzler was an indie/guitar-toting/coffee house artist.
Kylie's video to 'You did it again' solves all these dilemmas!

I just don't like disagreements when they're not started not by me. :o

Pink Bat Maxine
03-21-2008, 07:07 AM
That's great. What about the haircut? Is she going to keep the short one in NEXC or going back to the long blonde hair or she's gonna have a new one?

Logically, it couldn't be THAT long. Unless...... UNLESS.....!!!!

Can you say 'Mutant Hairstylist?' With hair growing/dying powers. And where better to find this fine fellow than in San Francisco?

Jack Flash
03-21-2008, 07:24 AM
Logically, it couldn't be THAT long. Unless...... UNLESS.....!!!!

Can you say 'Mutant Hairstylist?' With hair growing/dying powers. And where better to find this fine fellow than in San Francisco?

or she could get some Weave.

metalgorgomon
03-21-2008, 09:17 AM
or she could get some Weave.

What about a short-platinum blone-weavy one? Marilyn Monroe-ish?

drwho
03-21-2008, 06:53 PM
Brian Bendis disses Dazzler

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2951.TGIF~colon~_Best_of_the_B-Listers

tetragene
03-21-2008, 07:34 PM
Brian Bendis disses Dazzler

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2951.TGIF~colon~_Best_of_the_B-Listers

Pretty sure he's joking--he's expressed before how much he loves Marvel's 80's solo heroines. And he's the only reason we got Dazzler in Ultimate or House of M (and according to what I've heard, wanted her for New Avengers)

besides, even if he's not joking I'm SURE he's referring to Uncanny X-Men or New Excalibur Dazzler sucking :p ;)

Novaya Havoc
03-21-2008, 07:34 PM
Brian Bendis disses Dazzler

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2951.TGIF~colon~_Best_of_the_B-Listers

And here is my response on Bendis's HOMOPHOBIA! (http://novayahavoc.blogspot.com/2008/03/hate-speech-brian-michael-bendis-makes.html)

I love Ben Morse.

satchmo the dragon
03-21-2008, 07:38 PM
pop music sucks.

Novaya Havoc
03-21-2008, 07:44 PM
pop music sucks.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/pspauld/tinyviolin.jpg

Would you like me to play it for you?

I can put a synthesizer beat to it, too.

satchmo the dragon
03-21-2008, 07:46 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/pspauld/tinyviolin.jpg

Would you like me to play it for you?

I can put a synthesizer beat to it, too.

Should have used that pic for someone who was whining about something.

Novaya Havoc
03-21-2008, 07:48 PM
Should have used that pic for someone who was whining about something.

Is this one better for you?

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/47/You_win_the_prize.jpg

satchmo the dragon
03-21-2008, 07:55 PM
Is this one better for you?

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/47/You_win_the_prize.jpg

The text makes sense but the picture is offensive and you should be banned.

Novaya Havoc
03-21-2008, 07:58 PM
The text makes sense but the picture is offensive and you should be banned.

!!! You're not the first to call for such. But like Esther, I shall save my people.

Slung
03-21-2008, 08:23 PM
!!! You're not the first to call for such. But like Esther, I shall save my people.

Nicely tied into Purim. Although, I always imagined Esther to be a shrewd and clever queen and you are no...

wait...

never mind.

EDIT: Let me add a smiley before I get told, again, that I'm a homophobe. :D

Yeahbuhwhat?

Novaya Havoc
03-21-2008, 08:50 PM
Nicely tied into Purim. Although, I always imagined Esther to be a shrewd and clever queen and you are no...

wait...

never mind.

EDIT: Let me add a smiley before I get told, again, that I'm a homophobe. :D

Yeahbuhwhat?

I embody Esther. Are you Jewish, Slungo?

Slung
03-21-2008, 08:56 PM
I embody Esther. Are you Jewish, Slungo?

Nah, I'm just culturally aware. :)

I'm THAT cool.

Animalia
03-21-2008, 08:59 PM
Brian Bendis disses Dazzler

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2951.TGIF~colon~_Best_of_the_B-Listers

Bendis, Bendis, Bendis. How I hate him....

lockerogue
03-21-2008, 09:06 PM
Bendis, Bendis, Bendis. How I hate him....

We should cut his balls off, cook them, then feed them to him. Asshole