WWLA: The X-Men Panel

[CBR News]

New creative teams on "Astonishing" and "Uncanny!" She-Hulk in "X-Factor!" Terry Dodson exclusive to Marvel! Plus, your very own call from Ed Brubaker! Marvel mutants gone mad!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13374

[timbox]

Greg Land's Cannonball needs to go die.

[Kid Icarus]

Look who's all on that mysterious cover though!
I see Surge and maybe Rogue
And Cyclops in an ugly uniform!
oh
and Hepzibah

[Sentinel K]

Land on Uncanny?

**** that ****.

Huzzah for Fraction though!

[Pach!]

Porno Face Pixie is fail.

[Hi-Fi]

Go away, Greg Land!

Stay, Mike Choi!

[CaptainCanada]

The great news of Fraction and Brubaker working on Uncanny is cancelled out by the horrible, horrible art of Greg Land. Why, Marvel, why? Land is a hack and a thief, whose 'art' encapsulates all the worst features of modern comic art, utterly lacking in dynamism, consistency, and respect for women.

Terry Dodson's cool, though.

[Hi-Fi]

OK, time to find out who's on that cover, from left to right:

Rockslide, Magma (?), Anole, Nezhno, Domino, Pixie, Emma, Man, Woman, Cannonball, Warpath, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Rogue, Dani, Amor, Storm, Wolverine, Woman, Flying Sunspot, Flying Cyclops, Hepzibah, Dust, Mercury (!!), Iceman, Beast, Angel, Man.

I suppose the Uncanny X-Men, X-Force, Astonishing X-Men and Young X-Men will be living under the same roof.

Biggest surprise was seeing Domino on that group. I really like her, so I'm happy.

[Pach!]

Dazzler Week
Dazzler will be back in "Uncanny X-Men" #501, as the "mutant madonna," discovering a "late career as a mutant entertainer in San Francisco. We're building a team where it's not very team based, but more ensemble based."

[Optic Rage!]

OK, am i seeing thing or does Cyclops have a jetpack on in the group picture by Land??

[Kid Icarus]

im going to say yes

[Hi-Fi]

LOL, McCann mentioned CBR!

<3

[Peter F.]

OK, time to find out who's on that cover, from left to right:

Rockslide, Magma (?), Anole, Nezhno, Domino, Pixie, Emma, Man, Woman, Cannonball, Warpath, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Rogue, Dani, Amor, Storm, Wolverine, Woman, Flying Sunspot, Flying Cyclops, Hepzibah, Dust, Mercury (!!), Iceman, Beast, Angel, Man.

I suppose the Uncanny X-Men, X-Force, Astonishing X-Men and Young X-Men will be living under the same roof.

Biggest surprise was seeing Domino on that group. I really like her, so I'm happy.

I think that the unnamed woman is X-23. Not sure about the two unnamed guys though, I'm thinking maybe Elixir and Hellion, but I'm not sure.

[Flameworthy]

Great to hear about Dazzler for a change. I think most of the redesigns are fug though.

[Flatscan]

Fraction on Uncanny is good.

Why must Land insist on pornstarizing Pixie? It just seems wrong. I'm not a big fan of the X icon on everyone's redesigned uniforms either.

[CaptainCanada]

Why must Land insist on pornstarizing Pixie?
That's how he draws all his female characters.

[tetragene]

So Storm is apparently on the Astonishing team (unless I'm late finding this out, lol). I actually kinda like her costume in the group AXM pic, I realize I may be in the minority though.

I don't like Emma's new costume :(

[quote]Dazzler will be back in "Uncanny X-Men" #501, as the "mutant madonna," discovering a "late career as a mutant entertainer in San Francisco. We're building a team where it's not very team based, but more ensemble based."[/quote0

Yes! Awesome news. I really hope it blossoms into something good for a change. Minus 10 points for the Madonna reference instead of Kylie though :p

[Flatscan]

That's how he draws all his female characters.
Yes, I realize this. I'm saying it's unfortunate given what her character is like.

[Hi-Fi]

Is that really Rogue? If so, I dislike her new look.

[CaptainCanada]

So Storm is apparently on the Astonishing team
They've said the only person they'll confirm is on it is Cyclops; they've had Bianchi churn out a bunch of random pieces of art with different characters on it, so we don't know who the rest of the team will be.

[Flameworthy]

Is that really Rogue? If so, I dislike her new look.

Me too. I loved her green hood. That costume was a classic and should have stayed. The only new costume I really like is Beast's, who was in desperate need of one for quite some time.

[Don Quixote]

I think that the unnamed woman is X-23. Not sure about the two unnamed guys though, I'm thinking maybe Elixir and Hellion, but I'm not sure.

I'm pretty sure the guy on the far right is Hellion. Long hair and the New X-Men glove/armour things. I was hoping to see a return to his black and red costume when he reappears, though. A haircut as well.

And the two under Pixie's left arm look like Elixir and X-23 to me, too.

But why is Cyclops flying? And is Pixie just in the foreground so Land can draw that mouth open orgasm face that he loves so much? I hope it's not indicative of her presence in the X-verse.

[Hi-Fi]

Me too. I loved her green hood. That costume was a classic and should have stayed.
Right?

I wonder why Domino is there. X-Force or Uncanny X-Men, which one do you guys think she's joining?

[Hi-Fi]

Who's that woman flying next to Iceman?

[Catlin]

Ooh, Layla Miller one-shot!

[Omega Alpha]

Someone has to inform Greg Land that Cyclops can't fly.

[Pach!]

Who's that woman flying next to Iceman?

The one beside storm is probably Surge. The one on the extreme right is probably Hellion, and the one beside X-23 looks like Elixir.

[Mr. Eymed]

Someone has to inform Greg Land that Cyclops can't fly.

He can, with that jetpack he has strapped on...

[Hi-Fi]

The one beside storm is probably Surge. The one on the extreme right is probably Hellion, and the one beside X-23 looks like Elixir.
Surge... flying? But then again, Rogue also seems to be flying.

[Pach!]

Surge... flying? But then again, Rogue also seems to be flying.

Cyclops too.

She has a New X-men uniform though.

[frog]

Beast's costume redesigned? Thank you, Bianchi!

[Toboe]

<3 Layla Miller one-shot

Greg Land's Pixie is FAIL. What exactly are Rogue and Surge doing flying? And Cyclops with a jetpack???

I like most of the redesigns, but WHY would they get rid of Rogue's hood? It was a classic!

I suppose the tiny figures are Elixir, X-23 and Hellion...

Best thing about the cover: Domino. I want her on X-Force!

[Ogre U AHole]

Kinda non-plussed by all this X-news.

X-Men - I enjoy Carey's writing but the idea of exploring Professor X almost exclusively doesn't intrigue me like a group of muties punching bad guys in the face and dealing with oppression and all that jazz.

Uncanny X-Men - Brubaker's most recent non-Messiah arc with Storm and the Morlocks bored me to tears. I really like Fraction on The Order but cannot stand Greg Land's "art". Not completely thrilled with the line-up either.

Astonishing X-Men - Never read before due to lack of interest in the characters and annoying Whedon fans turning me off. I like Ellis but still can't stand the team. I'm one of the weirdest X-Fans because I hate all the X-Men mainstays: Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Cable, Jean Grey, etc. YUCK. It's actually a miracle and a compliment to Carey's writing that I enjoyed his X-Men arcs as much as I did.

X-Force - Hate Wolverine, hate X-23, too much stabby slashy. Not interested.

Young X-Men - I picked up some issues into the recent Magik arc and quite enjoyed Kyle and Yost's quippy-angsty yet somehow fun writing. Some of the characters grew on me but not enough to really get me to buy this.

Wolverine/Wolverine: Origins/Logan/whatever else Big Poochie shows up in - Blech. I'm most bummed that Fabian will no longer be writing Deadpool when the character might get the slightest shot in the arm from the rumored appearance in the Wolverine movie. So any curious movie goers will be treated to mediocre 'Pool instead of wicked-awesome 'Pool.

Cable - Hate Cable, the whole baby deal seems like a lift from Shoot 'Em Up/Lone Wolf and Cub/whatever. I really like Bishop but that preview art was all sorts of fugly.

X-Factor - I'm most intrigued by this. I respect David as a writer but the previous line-up didn't really have a character that drew me in or made me want to read the book. Enter Darwin. Now I'll probably check it out.

God, my favorite characters have been hosed.
Bishop - bad guy? In book starring character I don't like drawn by an artist whose style I don't like.

Sunfire - bad guy? Downplayed to nothing more than a guy to fly up center backround for neat group shots.

Omega Sentinel - bad girl? In book about boring old Professor X

Shatterstar - gay? Limbo.

Beast - Starred in pointless Endangered Species back-ups and still being held hostage under the oppresive scene-stealing of Cyclops, Wolverine, Emma, and now it looks like Storm as well.

Cannonball and Iceman - Carey really did some great stuff with these two. Now - limbo.

Husk - Limbo.

Rachel Summers/Grey - Exiled to space with the crappy Vulcan storyline. What about the bad-ass Shi'ar "deathmark"? Far more interesting than retcon-boy emperor of space.

Deadpool - Way is no Nicieza.

Lady Mastermind - Pretty much fine with her going back evil. Her going dead, not so much.

Darwin - The only character I really have hope for in the new scheme of things.

Nightcrawler - Seemed relegated to nothingness in Brubaker's Uncanny. Did he do anything relevant? Got some decent action in Messiah Complex. Like the interaction with him Colossus and Wolverine in Uncanny right now. Looks to be joing the Astonishing cast where he'll be backseat once again to Cyclops, Wolverine, and Storm.

Colossus - Turned off by death and weird un-deathing. Turned off by Whedon fanboys and Kitty fascination. New Defenders member? WTH?

Jubilee - Depowered and no-longer Jubilee-esque in boring New Warriors (Former Mutants) book.

Rockslide - Not enough by himself to get me to try Young X-Men.

Outlaw - As much as I like Nicieza, he's done pretty much all of nothing with her in C&D since she showed up. I'm assuming Limbo once that book goes.

Sunspot - Limbo?

[Nadia Bjorlin]

New creative teams on "Astonishing" and "Uncanny!" She-Hulk in "X-Factor!" Terry Dodson exclusive to Marvel! Plus, your very own call from Ed Brubaker! Marvel mutants gone mad!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13374

WHOA! She Hulk is coming for Monet?! Why? And I hope David doesn't bring back Jean Grey. "Light up the internet like a christmas tree". Meh.

[frog]

It's good to see Armor appearing in the art again. I'd just like to see her and Blindfold together.

[frog]

Omega Sentinel - bad girl? In book about boring old Professor X



Karima hasn't turned bad. Pixie's dagger got rid of Malice and she's in Legacy to look after Professor X.

[rwsmith]

Looks good to me. Creative teams on the books I read (Astonishing, Uncanny, X-Force and the Wolverine books) all make me pretty happy. Don't really care about anything else.

[Imraith Nimphais]

What I would have liked clarified is the whole 1 character running around in several books at the same freaking time issue...Storm is now QUEEN of Wakanda, when will she have the time to go off and play X-man?...And of course, there is Wolverine...will he stop running off to be everyone ELSE's favourite mutant side-kick? I remember back in the eighties, Wolverine and Kitty were noticeably absent from the pages of UXM for a few issues beacuse...they were off in Japan (during the W/K limited series)...this was actually mentioned, in comic, by Storm (circa UXM 192?). That's the kind of editing/writing management/thinking I would like to see. If he's off on a special ops assignment in X-force, he *should not* be seen flying off to the Savage Land with Rogue and team AND battling the Hellfire Club with Emma and Cyclops...all at the same time. It just does not seem plausible...and yes I know this is Marvel and one should expect the im-plausible...but still...

[rwsmith]

Why does that need to be clarified? People can do a lot of things in a month's time. Nick Fury used to be all over the place. Now Iron Man is. Wolverine is too. So what? If you can suspend disbelief enough to accept teleporting mutants and dudes who shoot force blasts from their eyes, I don't think it's too much to accept that some characters stay really busy. :rolleyes:

[chickrockguitar]

Wither in X-Force! Woo!
It had to happen, right? :D :D :D

[Imraith Nimphais]

and I understand that, rwsmith, I really do...but you have to acknowledge, real-time and marvel-time are not the same even if you do have a teleporter on the team...what I am asking for is just a tighter structure as to who is where and doing what and when. As a group of writers working on several DIFFERENT titles (at the same time, I might add) but pulling from just ONE group of characters, this approach seems to make some logical sense...at least to me.

[End of Time]

I'm on the fence where all this news is concerned.

Might end up decent, might actually end up disastrous.

Seeing the New-X-men kids popping up all over the place just seems really forced.

Brubaker teaming up on creative duties, why does that come as a shock? A spiderman-like format perhaps? I can't imagine Marvel's latest golden boy being relegated to this position.

It feels as if the X-men have reached their last days as a succesful franchise, editors keep limiting the pool. Characters are getting thrown together, titles and teams get merged to keep people from leaving the titles...

[myspidernadsaretingling]

Speaking with some sense I hope, Cyclops does deserve some time in the spotlight but having said that I don't want what I consider 3 books dedicated just to how "awesome he is." We have been there done that with many arcs involving him, JEAN and his baby. But at the core, x-men has always been a team book so please don't fuck it up by exploring cyclops and emma having coitus and expounding upon how he can pass wind now without second guessing himself. Reading from both panels, I am still not sold on "young x-men." It seems forced and re-hashed. I argue this because I was also on the "new x-men" hate bandwagon back in the day but when kyle-yost took over it truly became something worthwhile and I was excited to see where it was heading. Also the last 2 issues had some of the best dialog between the kids and X-men I have seen in a long time. "*&$%ing" pixie dust line with logan will always crack me up. Poof they are now gone sigh.... I would like to say though that armor joining AXM is kick ass. I really see a nice Kitty/Jubes and wolverine vibe there. Along with that Storm making a return to here "rightful" place in the x-men I was really hoping for a continued lineup now that we have colossus back. How awesome would it be to see logan, orroro, piotr, kurt back in action with say, proudstar and rogue or even anole, gentle and dust. That in my opinion should be the dynamic. A progression in the generation of x-men. BUT I suffered through the days of chuck Auesten so I will be getting these books no matter how bad they get and thats aiming low.

[podmark]

Lots of cool news.

That Uncanny cover would have been all kinds of awesome if it wasn't by Land.

[Michael P]

I'd like to congratulate Hannibal Tabu on a panel report so terribly, incomprehensibly written, I went to Newsarama instead.

Also: Sitterson. Aubrey Sitterson. I imagine it was written down somewhere up front, possibly on a glaringly obvious placard.

[Hi-Fi]

I'd like to congratulate Hannibal Tabu on a panel report so terribly, incomprehensibly written, I went to Newsarama instead.

I sadly agree. I love CBR, but the Newsarama panel coverage was much better written and had even more relevant information.

[La Fea]

OK, time to find out who's on that cover, from left to right:

Rockslide, Magma (?), Anole, Nezhno, Domino, Pixie, Emma, Man, Woman, Cannonball, Warpath, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Rogue, Dani, Amor, Storm, Wolverine, Woman, Flying Sunspot, Flying Cyclops, Hepzibah, Dust, Mercury (!!), Iceman, Beast, Angel, Man.

I'm pretending the girl in the back with the ponytail is Sofia.

I hope you all will let me be.

Is that really Rogue? If so, I dislike her new look.

Which one is Rogue???????

Right?

I wonder why Domino is there. X-Force or Uncanny X-Men, which one do you guys think she's joining?

I'm thinking and hoping X-Force.

Ooh, Layla Miller one-shot!

Right???????

I wonder if Raimondi is leaving X-Factor to do various one-shots.

WHOA! She Hulk is coming for Monet?! Why? And I hope David doesn't bring back Jean Grey. "Light up the internet like a christmas tree". Meh.

Yes????? She-Hulk vs. Monet should be interesting.

[Christoffer]

Astonishing looks pretty sweet, I would like to see less shading on Bianchi's characters (as someone else mentioned) but other than that it looks great.

Fraction and Terry Dodson sounds great, but Land... F*CK!. I'll probobly pick up the arcs Dodson does and ditch Lands. I'm not really sure about the direction of Uncanny but it'll be interesting to see where they are going with it. Btw, is Uncanny gonna have the same roster as Astonishing?

X-Factor, seems like I will be dropping this title. I'm not a fan of the new artist and the two new characters..

Young X-Men sounds interesting but the main cast, not so much. I'll give it a shot though.

X-Force is my favourite X-book atm, I just hope the two new characters aren't claws :P

Also, when do you guys think Legacy will be leaving X-Men history and will start to be about their situation?

[claimtosubclaim]

Also, when do you guys think Legacy will be leaving X-Men history and will start to be about their situation?

In the 2nd arc when Rogue and Gambit show up.

[podmark]

So I've identified everyone except the woman between Cannonball and Storm. Is that Rogue? Jean? I dunno.

Also almost everyone who was on the X-teams at the end of Messiah Complex is present. Notable exceptions are Wolfsbane and Prodigy.

[rwsmith]

I'm thinking and hoping X-Force.

I'm thinking Domino joins X-Force too. Makes the most sense considering her personality and skillset. Plus she has history with Logan. If I remember correctly they had a fling in the New X-men Annual back when Grant Morrison was writing.

[ToxicTeen]

Wither in X-Force! Woo!
It had to happen, right? :D :D :D

That's all I wanted to know. :)

Now I have to wait an extremely long time for when the trade of that story comes out.

[pryde15]

It's sad when Land begins to use the same images over and over...

How many times have we seen porn face?

[We R. Venom]

It's sad when Land begins to use the same images over and over...

How many times have we seen porn face?

Not nearly enough! Bom Chicka Wah Wah.

[pryde15]

It wouldn't both me as much, if it wasn't on Pixie lol.

[We R. Venom]

It wouldn't both me as much, if it wasn't on Pixie lol.

That is by far the worst I have seen of his work, my god. Pixie is the cutest sweetie ever, and she looks like fuckin' MOJO!

[pryde15]

That is by far the worst I have seen of his work, my god. Pixie is the cutest sweetie ever, and she looks like fuckin' MOJO!

Exactly! She should be drawn more along the lines of how Bachalo & Young portrayed her, not as orgasm face :(

[Ogre U AHole]

It's sad when Land begins to use the same images over and over...



No crap. Look at jet-pack Cyclops and Warpath from the same damn poster.

[Flâneur]

At least we know what Pixie has been up to in San Fran!

And pryde, there's a flaw with your team name since Kale is a 'fag' as well now!

[We R. Venom]

Is that Domino below Nehnzo?(whatever) And Firestar next to pixie? No Prodigy?

[pryde15]

At least we know what Pixie has been up to in San Fran!

And pryde, there's a flaw with your team name since Kale is a 'fag' as well now!

:(

I can't believe this, I will not except this until after I am elminated or I win!

[pryde15]

Anyways, yay Dani (I think it's her on it) hopefully you will become a regular cast member again :D

But the lack of Karma saddens me :(

[Butters]

Dani and Elixir make me happy.

LOL at Land's Pixie.

[Stephane Garrelie]

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j252/StephaneGarrelie/dzs.jpghttp://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j252/StephaneGarrelie/Point20dexclamation1.gif

[Flâneur]

:(

I can't believe this, I will not except this until after I am elminated or I win!

So ... after the first round then?:p

[Grunty]

You know whats funny? While i beginn to give up on it, a part of my mind is always searching for a certain name to apear in such anouncements.
However i'm more and more sure it will never happen.
...

Anyway, i think its yet again true what Mikey Carey once told. That the X-men writers really planned everything out for the next two years. Since at the moment it still seems like they actualy follow some kind of plan.

Man i really hate Grag Land for giving Pixie, of all girls in that picture, the famous "orgasm face".

Domino joining the X-men will clearly make some people happy i guess.

What i wonder is why they try to make such a fuss about keeping the Astonishing cast a secret, even thought one of the promotional pictures already shows them?

All in all it seems to be an more or less intresting year to come.

[pryde15]

So ... after the first round then?:p

:eek:

That is the second time someone has said this to me! I didn't do that bad last time :(

[Flâneur]

:eek:

That is the second time someone has said this to me! I didn't do that bad last time :(

We're just teasing. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll do great, until you come up against us!;)

[MarvelGirlBoy]

That cover would actually be pretty awesome if it wasn't for Pixie and Cannonball. Cannonball looks like a creepy CK model.

Emma, Beast, Storm and Wolverine look good though.

Ooh, Northstar and Firestar! *Starry starry night...* And Layla one-shot! Woot!

And Bianchi's Beast and Emma are also really nice. ...Can't say the same for his Nightcrawler.

So much news and piccies...

Really badly written article, though. :confused: And "New" instead of "Young" makes me :(

Emma, Storm and Rogue HAVE to be in a team together. The breasts and egos doing battle would just make MC a worthwhile intermediary.

[creaky]

Ewwwwww Land.:(

[Muggs]

Cool that Domino's coming back. She'd be great for X Force, plus she can go look for Risque. WHO'S NOT DEAD! She's just in hiding. Where's Faded?

And speaking of off panel deaths/never been confirmed. Magma and Dani can go and find Bedlam.

None of that will happen, but it would be sweet if it did.

[dabig2]

Every single one of those poses has been recycled in every one of his covers and interiors. It gets real old. And when did Pixie start giving out flying blowjobs. She still needs 5 more years.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

Cool that Domino's coming back. She'd be great for X Force

AHH. It just clicked. I'm sure that's where she's headed.

It also ties into her surprise presence in Wolverine and the X-Men's Brotherhood.

[Deus ex Chris]

Emma, Storm and Rogue HAVE to be in a team together. The breasts and egos doing battle would just make MC a worthwhile intermediary.
We saw it briefly under Milligan. Storm won that fight. <3

[Stagier]

AHH. It just clicked. I'm sure that's where she's headed.

It also ties into her surprise presence in Wolverine and the X-Men's Brotherhood.

rocketpack cyclops, toybiz rejoice....

i don't know who half of the people in the land spread is.

wonder if color will help,

seeing the new bianchi sketch, makes you wonder about the first one we saw months ago. the one with x-23.

emma's big chest x is def. fail

pony tail is cessily

looking forward to dodson though.

[Muggs]

AHH. It just clicked. I'm sure that's where she's headed.

It also ties into her surprise presence in Wolverine and the X-Men's Brotherhood.

Didn't know about her appearence there. But it would make sense. I imagine alot of what happens in the X comics over the next few years ties into/refects/tries to get a rub off the cartoon and the Wolverine movie. Cross promotion and shit.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Is that Cyke sporting a jetpack, lol...? :D

[Red Lotus]

man the Layla here know freaking everything. So I'm guessing the second part of the Fraction thing is going to come true to.

Its funny that said they would bring Jean back and that they would kill her again.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

We saw it briefly under Milligan. Storm won that fight. <3

Heh.

"It is not up for discussion." / "if it is at all possible for you not to tell me what to do, I would greatly appreciate it."

Milligan's Storm was perfection. There wasn't enough Rogue in the altercations to satisfy me, though, and no way would Emma be that passive. I want to see spandex at dawn!

[La Fea]

Heh.

"It is not up for discussion." / "if it is at all possible for you not to tell me what to do, I would greatly appreciate it."

Milligan's Storm was perfection. There wasn't enough Rogue in the altercations to satisfy me, though, and no way would Emma be that passive. I want to see spandex at dawn!

That was the one arc of Milligan's run I missed (I was going a bit insane over Larocca's art). It sounds like a winner, though. :(

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Not really, no.

A few fab !b**ch!Storm! moments aren't quite enough to redeem it.

[La Fea]

Not really, no.

A few fab !b**ch!Storm! moments aren't quite enough to redeem it.

I heard there were talking gorillas as well.

Plus points or minus points?

I might never know.

[Hi-Fi]

Storm was great in that arc. Rogue was... having problems with Gambit. She was pissed at him after the Foxx thing. Though it was superfunny when Rogue made a joke about the bodies they found and when Gambit followed it with another joke, she was all: "OMG These people DIED, Gambit! Show some respect!"

LOL

[Slung]

Where's Jean? Its time. Dammit! Its time!

Giant-Ass FAIL!!!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I heard there were talking gorillas as well.

Plus points or minus points?

I might never know.

The Gorillas definitely were a OMG!LOL!WTF plus.

Concept was a howler. Book was meh.

[cpahl2000]

How good is being a X-fan these days. A good news after another.Greg Land and Terry Dodson on Uncanny X-men,you just to be kidding,but it´s true.Young X-men,Cable X-force and other releases what i´m going to say,2008 is a X-year.

[pryde15]

We're just teasing. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll do great, until you come up against us!;)

lol I was so sad when I was eliminated in Mutant League, I had the best move ever, planned for the Ocean match.

Whirlpool ala Asylum, with some Skids surfing :D

[ChristosSoter]

Mercury (!!)

I do not see her.

Anyways, about the cover, FAIL!!!! Hellion appears nowhere.:(

Is that Nori?!?!

[Deus ex Chris]

That was the one arc of Milligan's run I missed (I was going a bit insane over Larocca's art). It sounds like a winner, though. :(

Not really, no.

A few fab !b**ch!Storm! moments aren't quite enough to redeem it.
LOL

It's true. It was terrible, but Milligan wrote a fierce Storm. He should do a Storm/Emma mini or take over as Black Panther writer. We'd see Black Panther taking it from Storm constantly. WIN

[pryde15]

I do not see her.

Anyways, about the cover, FAIL!!!! Hellion appears nowhere.:(

Is that Nori?!?!


If you are going to steal Deus Ex Chris line, you should atleast give him some credit!

Cessily is the one with the ponytai, and I would say lucky Hellion, he is saved from Land :D
Besides we all know he will be appearing at some point.

[ChristosSoter]

Oops, Deus Ex Chris, I give you credit for your line.

Oh, I see her.

[Hakael]

I do not see her.

Anyways, about the cover, FAIL!!!! Hellion appears nowhere.:(

Is that Nori?!?!

I thought that was Julian on the far right... granted, he doesn't look anything like Julian but who else wears the last NXM suit and has long hair?

[Deus ex Chris]

Wait, what's my line? FAIL? I'm pretty sure I didn't make that up. LOL

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wait, what's my line? FAIL? I'm pretty sure I didn't make that up. LOL

Pal, I would so DIE of laughter if there was an actual WAR over who brought that line.

To CBR.

In 2008.

ROTFLMFAO.

[Deus ex Chris]

There would be no argument from me. I'm fairly certain I stole it from Ben or Kalen.

[pryde15]

Wait, what's my line? FAIL? I'm pretty sure I didn't make that up. LOL

Well I identify it with you, since you use it the most often lol :D

[ChristosSoter]

Fine, I give credit to whoever wants it.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

LOL

It's true. It was terrible, but Milligan wrote a fierce Storm. He should do a Storm/Emma mini or take over as Black Panther writer. We'd see Black Panther taking it from Storm constantly. WIN

I liked it! There were definitely *I could be staring at the ceiling instead of reading this* moments, but I liked his political Africa. And the apes were hilar.

Then we got onto Daaps and Foxxes and I felt betrayed!

[We R. Venom]

Fine, I give credit to whoever wants it.

I'll take it.

[Deus ex Chris]

Well I identify it with you, since you use it the most often lol :D
LOL
I liked it! There were definitely *I could be staring at the ceiling instead of reading this* moments, but I liked his political Africa. And the apes were hilar.
I dug his commentary on Africa. He definitely introduced some interesting ideas in that arc--all of which concerned Storm specifically. Maybe he should just write a Storm ongoing.

[ChristosSoter]

I'll take it.
Fine, you get the credit.

[We R. Venom]

Fine, you get the credit.

Thank you kindly, sir.:D

[MarvelGirlBoy]

LOL

I dug his commentary on Africa. He definitely introduced some interesting ideas in that arc--all of which concerned Storm specifically. Maybe he should just write a Storm ongoing.

If he did, and Storm spent all the time pwning the Black Panther with comments like "if you could try not telling me what to do...", I'd actually buy multiple variant covers. It'd be like flipping the birdie at Hudlin in graphic feminist form.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

If he did, and Storm spent all the time pwning the Black Panther with comments like "if you could try not telling me what to do...", I'd actually buy multiple variant covers. It'd be like flipping the birdie at Hudlin in graphic feminist form.

You know, I have somewhat of a moral objection to support any form of !angry! feminism heralded by Claremazons (the insanely creepy angle - you all know what I'm talking about), but I *almost* hate Hudlin's work more, lol.

Tough call.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

You know, I have somewhat of a moral objection to support any form of !angry! feminism heralded by Claremazons (the insanely creepy angle - you all know what I'm talking about), but I *almost* hate Hudlin's work more, lol.

Tough call.

Claremazons > Hudlin fawning slaves.

I'm not a fan of the former either, but Storm needs to be reclaimed. Maybe her solo could begin with her shaving the mohawk back into shape! Oh how I loved Storm in the days of mo'!

T'Challa would actually have a seizure.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Claremazons > Hudlin fawning slaves.

Oh, don't get me wrong, Hudlin's ladies are a total joke.

But Claremazons basically are a joke that isn't quite self-aware. :(

[Flâneur]

Pal, I would so DIE of laughter if there was an actual WAR over who brought that line.

To CBR.

In 2008.

ROTFLMFAO.

IT WAS ME!!!!!!

for srs

[We R. Venom]

IT WAS ME!!!!!!

for srs

Does this mean I have to give back my credit?

[La Fea]

Who are those three?????

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9312/500coverwnamesxj5.jpg

[Hakael]

Who are those three?????

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9312/500coverwnamesxj5.jpg

magma, rogue, surge?

and the one in the middle... def. not Sofia. I'm thinking Moonstar or Kitty (even with Kitty's current status)

[Hi-Fi]

Wind Dancer! LOL! Oh, Fea.

Those are Magma, Rogue and according to Andres, Surge.

[pryde15]

Magma is probably the far left, and Hi-Fi said he spotted Dani. I will be crushed if she is not there :(

[Hi-Fi]

Magma is probably the far left, and Hi-Fi said he spotted Dani. I will be crushed if she is not there :(
Dani is the one La Fea says is Sofia. ;)

[La Fea]

magma, rogue, surge?

I like those guesses!

They make sense (and at the same time...don't; Surge flying and not only flying but...complacently? OOC!!!).

Wind Dancer! LOL! Oh, Fea.

Is her pose not that of a Tornado Ballerina? :o

Magma is probably the far left, and Hi-Fi said he spotted Dani. I will be crushed if she is not there :(

I'm pretty sure she's in the spot I'm pretending is Sofia. ;)

[pryde15]

Dani is the one La Fea says is Sofia. ;)

Yay! The New Mutants will not be forgottn :evilsmile

I think I will crop in a picture of Karma lol :D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Man, I really feel uncomfortable with this specific rendition of Pixie.

I get this feeling the artist was told at the very last minute he wasn't drawing SYRIN or something.

[Hi-Fi]

I do love Hepzibah's expression. She's just so much fun!

[pryde15]

Man, I really feel uncomfortable with this specific rendition of Pixie.

I get this feeling the artist was told at the very last minute he wasn't drawing SYRIN or something.

Nope, he realize he didn't have any good porn left, so he just reused one that he did for Scarlet Witch :D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Nope, he realize he didn't have any good porn left, so he just reused one that he did for Scarlet Witch :D

Are you implying Pixie's facial features aren't due to an attempted sonic scream?? PERV. :eek:

[pryde15]

Are you implying Pixie's facial features aren't due to an attempted sonic scream?? PERV. :eek:

LOL. Perv? How rude! :p

[La Fea]

I do love Hepzibah's expression. She's just so much fun!

LMAO! She looks like she's still dancing in the 60's!

That's hot.

[pryde15]

Oh and I found the image I was talking about :D

http://mightygodking.com/images/Ultimate_Power_2/up2-14.jpg

[creaky]

Land just might ruin this.

[La Fea]

Oh and I found the image I was talking about :D

http://mightygodking.com/images/Ultimate_Power_2/up2-14.jpg

LOL!!! If it wasn't for Wanda, I'd really like that image.

[Hakael]

oh man, thats funny... Pixie is Ultimate Wanda now apparently...

[david r]

This is great news! Ed Brubaker & Matt Fraction Bring The Awesome to Iron Fist. So I hope they Bring The Awesome to X-Men as well.

Any writer that can Bring The Awesome is 100% in my book. Bring That Awesome, baby!!

[Ann Nichols]

<snip>The only new costume I really like is Beast's, who was in desperate need of one for quite some time.

YES!


I'd like to congratulate Hannibal Tabu on a panel report so terribly, incomprehensibly written, I went to Newsarama instead.
<snip>


LOL

oh man, thats funny... Pixie is Ultimate Wanda now apparently...

They are awfully similar, aren't they? :p

The X-books news doesn't have me squealing with delight, but it doesn't have me retching, either.

[myspidernadsaretingling]

MAN LAND ON UXM IS AWESOME, AND NOW IF WE CAN GET LEIFIELD BACK ON
X -FORCE WITH HIS AWESOME "MY Characters don't need ankles" art I am SO THERE.:rolleyes:

[DasPoppen]

I was really happy when I read that Fraction will write Uncanny but then... I discovered that Land is doing art. What the heck?? Marvel has so many telented artists and they give it to HIM??? :confused:

[Butters]

I kind of feel bad for Land. He seems to get quite a bit of criticism. His Pixie on that cover is ridiculous, but still, feel bad for him.

[La Fea]

This is great news! Ed Brubaker & Matt Fraction Bring The Awesome to Iron Fist. So I hope they Bring The Awesome to X-Men as well.

Any writer that can Bring The Awesome is 100% in my book. Bring That Awesome, baby!!

Right???????

[Slung]

I kind of feel bad for Land. He seems to get quite a bit of criticism. His Pixie on that cover is ridiculous, but still, feel bad for him.

Yeah, I thought Endsong looked pretty hot when I first got it.

Now, I'm sort of tired of seeing the same poses and faces over and over, but it isn't like he can't draw ankles or something.

[Omega Alpha]

I kind of feel bad for Land. He seems to get quite a bit of criticism. His Pixie on that cover is ridiculous, but still, feel bad for him.

Well, you know, if he didn't dedicated himself to copy pictures and the work of other artists and did nothing but trace, maybe he wouldn't get so much criticism.

[Butters]

Well, you know, if he didn't dedicated himself to copy pictures and the work of other artists and did nothing but trace, maybe he wouldn't get so much criticism.

Oh. Alright then.

[d newton]

"Daken will be coming back, the son of Wolverine".
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Kill him quickly.

Well, you know, if he didn't dedicated himself to copy pictures and the work of other artists and did nothing but trace, maybe he wouldn't get so much criticism.
Have you read his run on Nightwing yet?

[creaky]

Oh. Alright then.

To further convince you not to shed any tears, here's (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/5171660.html?thread=190210508#t190210508) an animated gif (in the comment section) of the Uncanny #500 cover, showing that he not only traced old tracings, but he also traced the same pose three times on the same cover.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

I had no idea it was that prolific.

That's shocking.

Ugh.

FOR OUR #500 ISSUE??????????? NO!

[podmark]

To further convince you not to shed any tears, here's (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/5171660.html?thread=190210508#t190210508) an animated gif (in the comment section) of the Uncanny #500 cover, showing that he not only traced old tracings, but he also traced the same pose three times on the same cover.

Wow that's bad, my respect for Land is just free-falling.

[rZi]

What the hell?!

That gif is what the hell?! Why is he tracing everything?

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6936/uncannyxmen500covcf1.gif

[End of Time]

he might trace everything... I kind of like his Beast...

He looks fierce... and like a cat... not so much a drowned cat, but a really cool hardcore superduper cat from some exotic country... like a lion or something... or a tiger... or a Liger! No no no a Tigon!

[Christoffer]

everybody has lots of sex
Given Lands history of tracing porn, having him work on UXM should really be a no-brainer though :P

I kid, I kid.

[Christoffer]

In the 2nd arc when Rogue and Gambit show up.
I have a feeling that because Rogue touched Mystique, her mind will wander through the past as well though :/

[scouse mouse]

The Greg Land news is terrible, but the returns of Firestar and Northstar is great. There is a lot of really fantastic stuff coming up both X and wider Marvel related. I haven't been this excited about comics for years!

[Novaya Havoc]

This Dazzler news brings me closer to the rapture.

All other news is nice.

I'll take a hot pornface Dazzler over ugly NEX Dazzler!

[ExodusCloak]

I must be one of the few who actually doesn't mind Land on UXM? I mean honestly his work is less cluttered and confusing then some of Bachallo's and Ramos's stuff. And I have never been a fan of Larroca. Porn face or not his art is crisp I'd take that over most artists work.
Love Emma's new costume...well it doesn't look that different but still love it.

[Starfish]

WOO!!! for Mercury appearing on a cover again!
BOO!!! for Land being the one who drew it!

And I did not need Pornface Pixie. This is so wrong it will give me bad dreams. ><

[rwsmith]

I really don't see what the big deal is about Land's tracing or re-using the same poses. When's the last time you saw your favorite comic character in a truly original pose?

I mean, I've seen Wolverine in the same menacing crouch about a thousand times, so at this point I wouldn't even care (or probably even notice) if artists just starting reusing previous panels. Seriously.

[timbox]

I don't mind Land's technique at all. I usually like his stuff. I just really don't like his Cannonball in this one.

[jmc247]

Wow, the cover of the 200th issue of New X-Men was miles and miles better then this. Hell, this isn't worthy for the cover of a mini series let along Uncanny 500.

[DDM]

I don't mind Land's technique at all. I usually like his stuff. I just really don't like his Cannonball in this one.

Land's technique is not a true talent. Anyone with tracing paper can find poses in various places & reconfigure them to look like someone else. I find his "art" to be a joke because he is so dependent on his tracing paper. Without tracing paper, Land would not have a career. This is why he should not be hired in the first place.

Anyone with a good eye for detail in art can identify Greg Land is a fraud since he traces virtually every major character, and the same character looks different depending on the pose.

The editors should have caught this a long time ago...

[Brian M.]

Dropped the ball on the #500 cover. Hopefully the variants are better b/c I don't really wanna buy this one.

[We R. Venom]

I thought I would jump at a Land cover, but right now it does not look great at all. I do hope theres at least more. Maybe a Dodson cover.

[Kid Icarus]

I thought I would jump at a Land cover, but right now it does not look great at all. I do hope theres at least more. Maybe a Dodson cover.

oh, I thought the Land cover was the varient
and was happy my comic store rarely got enough
for me to buy


darn

[rwsmith]

Land's technique is not a true talent. Anyone with tracing paper can find poses in various places & reconfigure them to look like someone else. I find his "art" to be a joke because he is so dependent on his tracing paper. Without tracing paper, Land would not have a career. This is why he should not be hired in the first place.

Anyone with a good eye for detail in art can identify Greg Land is a fraud since he traces virtually every major character, and the same character looks different depending on the pose.

The editors should have caught this a long time ago...

This may come as a shock, but I'm pretty darn sure that the X-editors are aware of Land's penchant for tracing and re-using poses. They just don't give a damn because the sales on his books indicate that the majority of fans really don't give a flip either. Ultimate FF and Ultimate Power both sold well, and I'm sure his Uncanny X-men will be no different.

I'm actually kind of pumped about the news, as I like both Land and Dodson. They're not my favorite artists out there, but they're pretty good IMO.

And, regardless of how he does it, Land manages to crank out pretty pictures that convey what the writer wants to get across in his story. Dodson does the same (despite people's criticism of his work for being too "cheesecake"). That's all I'm looking for in a comic book artist. Someone who can tell a story with pictures in a coherent and understandable fashion. Both of these guys can do that far better than Bachalo and Ramos, at least IMO. And both of these guys have more energy in their work than Olivetti and Eaton (again, IMO).

So, yeah, I think this news is good.

[frog]

Land doesn't get the characters. Anyone that draws Pixie to look like a Lolita obviously didn't research her personality at all. I wouldn't have been able to identify her without her wings.

It may draw new readers but I prefer artists that actual can capture the true essence of a character and recognize that there is more to the women (some of them, at least) than sexual appeal, and only the most blatant kind at that.

Bachalo's characters have a charm that's missing from Land's work. I prefer Ramos as well and I would have been much happier with Choi.

[timbox]

Don't get me wrong, I don't have as much respect for Land as I do for other artists, but like rwsmith said, I'm sure the editors are aware of his technique.

and yes, a lot of his characters don't look how they should, Pixie is a screaming example, there are many artists I would rather see on Uncanny, but whatever :/

[Christoffer]

What I don't get is obviously Marvel knows about his tracing and so on and that alot people don't like him... why are they having him draw the #500 issue?

[Brian M.]

I don't care that Land traces or uses references whatever. It's the pornstar look he gives them all. Pixie in that cover looks like she's scream for more dick, not more cowbell.

[DDM]

This may come as a shock, but I'm pretty darn sure that the X-editors are aware of Land's penchant for tracing and re-using poses. They just don't give a damn because the sales on his books indicate that the majority of fans really don't give a flip either. Ultimate FF and Ultimate Power both sold well, and I'm sure his Uncanny X-men will be no different.

I'm actually kind of pumped about the news, as I like both Land and Dodson. They're not my favorite artists out there, but they're pretty good IMO.

And, regardless of how he does it, Land manages to crank out pretty pictures that convey what the writer wants to get across in his story. Dodson does the same (despite people's criticism of his work for being too "cheesecake"). That's all I'm looking for in a comic book artist. Someone who can tell a story with pictures in a coherent and understandable fashion. Both of these guys can do that far better than Bachalo and Ramos, at least IMO. And both of these guys have more energy in their work than Olivetti and Eaton (again, IMO).

So, yeah, I think this news is good.

I'm sure the editors do know about Greg Land's tracing talent which makes them all the more culpable in pushing this poseur as someone he's not. However, this is no excuse for him to be billed as an artist. He's not. Greg Land is a tracer.

Greg Land simply has no business being in the comic book industry as a tracer. His tracing talents could be used within the company as someone who fixes art mistakes, but then his tracing would be less noticable.

[Brian M.]

I'm sure the editors do know about Greg Land's tracing talent which makes them all the more culpable in pushing this poseur as someone he's not. However, this is no excuse for him to be billed as an artist. He's not. Greg Land is a tracer.

Greg Land simply has no business being in the comic book industry as a tracer. His tracing talents could be used within the company as someone who fixes art mistakes, but then his tracing would be less noticable.

You make awful strong statements behind a computer screen.

[Novaya Havoc]

Eyes on the Prize, guys!

Dazzler. The Dynamic Diva and Mutant Madonna. Fabulized. In San Francisco. Surrounded by her gays. Sipping Dazzletinis.

Pornface or no, nothing can stop that much sexyfabulosity!

[Brett P]

I'm really liking the sound of Uncanny from #500 - two great writers and an ensemble cast is pretty exciting.

That cover must be the "image of something BIG" that Yost said Anole was on.

Loving Bianchis redesigns for the most part, and that team lineup(?) shot is amazing. Great to see Armor there.

I'm liking his redesigns for the most part. A bit weird to see the New X-Men in ther "training" costumes still, and It's gonna be interesting to see why the Young X-Men are a seperate group when seemingly some of the students will be involved in the main books.

[Optic Rage!]

Ugh, that cover is CRAP.

I dont care about how they are drawn[aside from Pixie gaging for more] its just the postions are so messed up

This is supposed to be one of the most important covers in the history of the x-men line and Pixie gets the most attenion....WHAT?

Why the hell does Cyclops have a jetpack on?? WTF?? I dont recall Cyclops ever having used a jetpack, i mean....WTF IT MAKES NO SENSE its supposed to be a legendary picture.

Were is JEAN?? ugh, X-Men 200 cover was MILES better.

[frog]

So Cyclops may be using a jetpack for the first time in #500. That bothers me the least about the cover.

[timbox]

The main thing I get out of this cover is a good feeling of hope that a lot of the characters pictured are going to be used in a book somewhere.

[frog]

The main thing I get out of this cover is a good feeling of hope that a lot of the characters pictures are going to be used in a book somewhere.

Yes, it is nice to see some of them again. Hopefully it's indicative of who really will be appearing in the book, unlike the X-Men 200 cover.

[jmc247]

The main thing I get out of this cover is a good feeling of hope that a lot of the characters pictures are going to be used in a book somewhere.

Yes, this isn't like the X-Men 200 cover which had all the important and semi important X-Men over the years.

For a cover as important as Uncanny 500 this cover is deeply disappointing on a number of levels.

[Brian M.]

Yes, this isn't like the X-Men 200 cover which had all the important and semi important X-Men over the years.

For a cover as important as Uncanny 500 this cover is deeply dissapointing on a number of levels.

Yea, it really is. The kinda cover I had hoped to see was something generational, start off w/ O5/Magneto since that's where it began, than work outwards. The New Gen X-Men, Hellifre Club, Sinister, The outback team, Reavers, Gambit, Jubilee, Acolytes...working outward in a huge gatefold type thing ala #200. It'd be a great homage to Uncanny #1 imo.

[Don Quixote]

What I don't get is obviously Marvel knows about his tracing and so on and that alot people don't like him... why are they having him draw the #500 issue?

I would hazard to guess that it's because Land books sell well, and internet opinion is not as good a barometer for the success of a book than some people might think.

For myself, I couldn't give a damn how Land puts his art together. It looks good and tells the story well. I'd rather have that than some hideous, albeit original, mess from the likes of Ramos or Yu.

[frog]

Yea, it really is. The kinda cover I had hoped to see was something generational, start off w/ O5/Magneto since that's where it began, than work outwards. The New Gen X-Men, Hellifre Club, Sinister, The outback team, Reavers, Gambit, Jubilee, Acolytes...working outward in a huge gatefold type thing ala #200. It'd be a great homage to Uncanny #1 imo.

Well, X-Men 200 had 3 covers - surely this isn't the only cover Marvel will put out for Uncanny 500! I'd like to see another Finch cover.

[Brian M.]

Well, X-Men 200 had 3 covers - surely this isn't the only cover Marvel will put out for Uncanny 500! I'd like to see another Finch cover.

Me too. I hope the variants are good, I'm sure Dodson will have one. I just don't like the cover, not the art, the cover.

[Novaya Havoc]

Ugh, that cover is CRAP.

I dont care about how they are drawn[aside from Pixie gaging for more] its just the postions are so messed up

This is supposed to be one of the most important covers in the history of the x-men line and Pixie gets the most attenion....WHAT?

Why the hell does Cyclops have a jetpack on?? WTF?? I dont recall Cyclops ever having used a jetpack, i mean....WTF IT MAKES NO SENSE its supposed to be a legendary picture.

Were is JEAN?? ugh, X-Men 200 cover was MILES better.

Storm doesn't have legs.

That's my favorite part about the cover. Like Athena springing forth from the head of mighty Zeus, so too does Storm spring from Wolverine's BICEPT.

[Hi-Fi]

Dodson will probably have one cover as well. He said over at Newsarama that #500 will be drawn by he and Land. Since #501 is the beginning of a new arc by Fraction, I think #500 will be some kind of moving day issue, which sounds really sexy.

[jmc247]

Yea, it really is. The kinda cover I had hoped to see was something generational, start off w/ O5/Magneto since that's where it began, than work outwards. The New Gen X-Men, Hellifre Club, Sinister, The outback team, Reavers, Gambit, Jubilee, Acolytes...working outward in a huge gatefold type thing ala #200. It'd be a great homage to Uncanny #1 imo.

I was hoping they were going to do that for X-Men Legacy. But, instead they decided to pick and chose the important eras in Xavier's life. I also had hopes they might do something similar for Uncanny 500, but I guess not. Well, I await the alternative covers.

[rwsmith]

Yea, it really is. The kinda cover I had hoped to see was something generational, start off w/ O5/Magneto since that's where it began, than work outwards. The New Gen X-Men, Hellifre Club, Sinister, The outback team, Reavers, Gambit, Jubilee, Acolytes...working outward in a huge gatefold type thing ala #200. It'd be a great homage to Uncanny #1 imo.

I hear what you're saying, but IMO that would be so...typical. It's been done before. Besides, it sounds like the X-men post-Messiah Complex are focused on the future and not the past, so I don't have a problem with the cover. It's got a bunch of the newer characters on it, and Cyclops is even sporting a jetpack!? :confused:

If that's not futuristic, I don't know what is. ;)

[Brian M.]

I hear what you're saying, but IMO that would be so...typical. It's been done before. Besides, it sounds like the X-men post-Messiah Complex are focused on the future and not the past, so I don't have a problem with the cover. It's got a bunch of the newer characters on it, and Cyclops is even sporting a jetpack!? :confused:

If that's not futuristic, I don't know what is. ;)

Maybe for #501, to represent the new direction, new focus...new dream? But #500 is iconic, thus the cover should be, not the same jumping at you Land poses we get for all his covers.

[Novaya Havoc]

I hear what you're saying, but IMO that would be so...typical. It's been done before. Besides, it sounds like the X-men post-Messiah Complex are focused on the future and not the past, so I don't have a problem with the cover. It's got a bunch of the newer characters on it, and Cyclops is even sporting a jetpack!? :confused:

If that's not futuristic, I don't know what is. ;)

The New X-Men aren't REAL X-Men. That's like putting Lois London and Stevie Hunter on the cover.

Well, at least Stevie was actually in Uncanny X-Men at some point and not some satellite title.

I'd even prefer my 1100011100101 on this cover front and center rather than deal with this New X-Men crazy!

[rwsmith]

Maybe for #501, to represent the new direction, new focus...new dream? But #500 is iconic, thus the cover should be, not the same jumping at you Land poses we get for all his covers.

Perhaps. Like someone else said, though, I'm sure there will be variants. So you'll probably get your "X-men through the ages" retrospective cover, and drawn by someone else to boot!

[jmc247]

It's got a bunch of the newer characters on it, and Cyclops is even sporting a jetpack!

Which was dumb, post issue 500 should be focused on the future, but 500 should be focused on the history of the X-Men.

And, Cyke on a jetpack is also dumb, it was stupid when they had Magneto wear a jetpack in the late 60s.

[DDM]

And, Cyke on a jetpack is also dumb, it was stupid when they had Magneto wear a jetpack in the late 60s.

Magneto did not wear a jet pack, but it was to enhance his then waining magnetic powers. After several defeats, Magneto's powers began to burn themselves out for some unexplained reason.

[Dagger]

I'm kinda excited that Pixie is going to be the "Kitty Pryde/Jubilee" character of the book! I really enjoyed what Kyle and Yost did with her over in New X-Men and she even became my favorite character of the cast from the Quest 4 Magik arc. I wonder when Magik is going to be coming back? Wasn't she supposed to be doing something like look for her soul sometime this year?

[Brett P]

Wither in X-Force! Woo!
It had to happen, right? :D :D :D

Looking forward to the inevitable Josh vs Kevin clash! Hope Cess is involved too!

The New X-Men aren't REAL X-Men.

Yost & Kyle & Cyclops and Emma would disagree with you. There were plenty of times in recent issues when they were specifically referred to as being X-Men. Cyclops told Surge as much.

That's like putting Lois London and Stevie Hunter on the cover.

Hardly! Did Lois or Stevie ever take down Nimrod?! :p

[Novaya Havoc]

Hardly! Did Lois or Stevie ever take down Nimrod?! :p

No, but Stevie Hunter had more character than any of them.

And Lois London had an original power.

[ChristosSoter]

Wither in X-Force! Woo!
It had to happen, right? :D :D :D
Are we sure that he is actually going to be on the team, or just in the book? As a villain perhaps?

[Teh m0nk3y]

No, but Stevie Hunter had more character than any of them.

And Lois London had an original power.

Still doesn't change the fact that Cyclops and Emma designated the New X-Men kids as an actual active X-Men unit.

[Brett P]

No, but Stevie Hunter had more character than any of them. And Lois London had an original power.

Still not enough to get them into an X team though, right?

Most of the NXM cast had character by the bucketload. Plenty of them had unique powers too.

I don't know, confirmation of Dazzler in Uncanny and you're still hatin'!

I hope she gets on well with Pixie :D

[Novaya Havoc]

Still doesn't change the fact that Cyclops and Emma designated the New X-Men kids as an actual active X-Men unit.

So Frenzy and Sunpyre are X-Men?
And... PAULIE PROVENZANO?

[Brian M.]

Still doesn't change the fact that Cyclops and Emma designated the New X-Men kids as an actual active X-Men unit.

Well they kinda had too, the dumb ass kids wouldn't listen to them when they gave them orders to stay put and shut the hell up. So might aswell make them an active team. That way when they killed for doing something stupid, Cyke can just shrug his shoulders and go "it happens to all X-Men".

[Dagger]

I really like Colossus' new uniform. It's too bad they had to change Angel's. His blue halo uniform is my absolute favorite. And bring on the Pollina/Aguire-Sacasa revelations mini!!!!

Now, if only Karma could get her own mini:(

[Brett P]

So Frenzy and Sunpyre are X-Men?
And... PAULIE PROVENZANO?

They're not on the cover to Uncanny #500 so evidently not ;)

I really like Colossus' new uniform. It's too bad they had to change Angel's. His blue halo uniform is my absolute favorite. And bring on the Pollina/Aguire-Sacasa revelations mini!!!!


Eeee! I didn't notice his costume had changed. Must go back and look. I hope it's still blue and white atleast! I was going to get the revelations mini until I saw the preview art. Angel looked like a Dr Seuss character spliced with spaghetti...yet apparently everyone loves it!

[La Fea]

I don't mind Land's tracing as much as I mind his stringy, weird looking hair.

[Daithi]

That way when they killed for doing something stupid, Cyke can just shrug his shoulders and go "it happens to all X-Men".

Yeah just ask Caliban! He died an X-Men indeed.

[ClanAskani]

Greg Land on X-Men is highly disappointing, and seeing the horrible way he's drawing Pixie shows that no one at Marvel has a problem with his O-faces. (What is wrong with them????)

[Nyssane]

Land would be a lot better if not for his blowjob faces which all look the same. All his women have the same identical face

[pryde15]

I really like Colossus' new uniform. It's too bad they had to change Angel's. His blue halo uniform is my absolute favorite. And bring on the Pollina/Aguire-Sacasa revelations mini!!!!

Now, if only Karma could get her own mini:(

Or make it onto a X-team :(

She is an amazing character, now only if writers would use her more :(

[Brett P]

Wait, why the heck isn't Dazzler on the cover of #500? If she's supposed to be making her glorious return in #501 you would have thought she'd be on it.

[Quinnhop]

If she's supposed to be making her glorius return in #501, then I'd expect her be on the cover of...501.

Also, anyone else starting to get the feeling that all "Divided We Stand" has accomplished is the 'Wolverination' of Cyclops? Suddenly he's in Uncanny, Astonishing, Young X-Men, X-Force, etc. calling all of the shots. I'm not sure I like that.

And really, just from what I'm hearing so far, none of these books seem as "clearly defined" as the editors would like to think. If anything Pre-Messiah Complex had more "defined" titles...

X-Men: Freelance Team
Uncanny X-Men: Homebase Team
Astonishing: Self-Contained, Whedonesque Team
New X-Men: Young/Developing Team
X-Factor: Investigative, Street-Level Team

But yeah...

I'm not seeing the added definition of book orientation in the wake of Messiah Complex... If anything, they're blurring more than ever.

[DDM]

If she's supposed to be making her glorius return in #501, then I'd expect her be on the cover of...501.

Also, anyone else starting to get the feeling that all "Divided We Stand" has accomplished is the 'Wolverination' of Cyclops? Suddenly he's in Uncanny, Astonishing, Young X-Men, X-Force, etc. calling all of the shots. I'm not sure I like that.

And really, just from what I'm hearing so far, none of these books seem as "clearly defined" as the editors would like to think. If anything Pre-Messiah Complex had more "defined" titles...

X-Men: Freelance Team
Uncanny X-Men: Homebase Team
Astonishing: Self-Contained, Whedonesque Team
New X-Men: Young/Developing Team
X-Factor: Investigative, Street-Level Team

But yeah...

I'm not seeing the added definition of book orientation in the wake of Messiah Complex... If anything, they're blurring more than ever.

I see a proliferation of X-books with no single definitive voice to separate them from one another. I thought Joe Quesada was going to streamline the X-books? Right, Joe's never a man of his word.

[Saturius]

If she's supposed to be making her glorius return in #501, then I'd expect her be on the cover of...501.

Also, anyone else starting to get the feeling that all "Divided We Stand" has accomplished is the 'Wolverination' of Cyclops? Suddenly he's in Uncanny, Astonishing, Young X-Men, X-Force, etc. calling all of the shots. I'm not sure I like that.

And really, just from what I'm hearing so far, none of these books seem as "clearly defined" as the editors would like to think. If anything Pre-Messiah Complex had more "defined" titles...

X-Men: Freelance Team
Uncanny X-Men: Homebase Team
Astonishing: Self-Contained, Whedonesque Team
New X-Men: Young/Developing Team
X-Factor: Investigative, Street-Level Team

But yeah...

I'm not seeing the added definition of book orientation in the wake of Messiah Complex... If anything, they're blurring more than ever.

Marvel's been like this for about the past ten years. All talk. They hype these huge changes under the guise that they're doing it to give titles "direction" and a more defined purpose when all they're really doing are canceling titles and replacing them with others that are redundant or just plain not needed. They really need to stop revamping the line every 2 seconds. It seems like every time I blink there's a new direction popping up, new titles, titles being canceled, artists and writers being replaced etc. etc. There's no sense of stability at all anymore. Which I guess can be good if you don't like how a book is being written. Just wait a couple of weeks and surely the artist and writer will have changed by then. I gurantee you in two-three years they'll be ANOTHER needless wide change to the X-books even though they won't have scratched the surface of their current "new" direction. (Decimation, I'm looking at you!)

[Christoffer]

Uncanny X-Men: Homebase Team
What?, if anything Uncanny was the Away team.. they where in space for a year.

[Brian M.]

I see a proliferation of X-books with no single definitive voice to separate them from one another. I thought Joe Quesada was going to streamline the X-books? Right, Joe's never a man of his word.

Just shut up. Every damn post is a post bashing people and a process you have no freaking clue about. If each and every book was to have the same freaking voice what's the damn point of seperate books? Uh? NOTHING!

[DDM]

Just shut up. Every damn post is a post bashing people and a process you have no freaking clue about. If each and every book was to have the same freaking voice what's the damn point of seperate books? Uh? NOTHING!

Joe Quesada cancelled several X-books when he was hired, but he replaced with other x-books. How is that streamlining the franchise? Furthermore, the X-books individually are all blurring together losing their own individual identities. How is that helping anyone? It's not.

What makes Astonishing X-Men different from Uncanny X-Men? How is Uncanny X-Men different from X-Men? What is New X-Men considering X-Men was called New X-Men a few years ago? The only book I see with a distinctive tone & voice is X-Factor.

Bashing people is telling someone to "shut up." Telling someone to shut up on a message board is the wrong way to go. It's a good way to get banned yourself. I'm offering constructive criticism.

[Brian M.]

Joe Quesada cancelled several X-books when he was hired, but he replaced with other x-books. How is that streamlining the franchise? Furthermore, the X-books individually are all blurring together losing their own individual identities. How is that helping anyone? It's not.

What makes Astonishing X-Men different from Uncanny X-Men? How is Uncanny X-Men different from X-Men? What is New X-Men considering X-Men was called New X-Men a few years ago? The only book I see with a distinctive tone & voice is X-Factor.

Bashing people is telling someone to "shut up." Telling someone to shut up on a message board is the wrong way to go. It's a good way to get banned yourself. I'm offering constructive criticism.

No you're not.

You're sitting there behind a computer and bashing a person and editors you don't know and it's pathetic.

If I have to explain why the books are different to you than we're in a lot of trouble b/c you don't have reading comprehension.

If the books are all blurring together losing their individuality than they are forming a single voice...which is what you said they weren't doing in your last post. Which is it DDM? Are they all different or all the same? Or should we just forget the books and start bashing editors and writers?

[Flameworthy]

Wait, why the heck isn't Dazzler on the cover of #500? If she's supposed to be making her glorious return in #501 you would have thought she'd be on it.

Probably because they're saving her sexy new look for a solo cover for #501.

[CaptainCanada]

What makes Astonishing X-Men different from Uncanny X-Men? How is Uncanny X-Men different from X-Men? What is New X-Men considering X-Men was called New X-Men a few years ago? The only book I see with a distinctive tone & voice is X-Factor.

At present, Uncanny X-Men is the main team book, the flagship that focusses on the whole picture; AXM, well, it's sort of a boutique that lets big name creators tell stories in a continuity-loose situation, so we'll have to wait and see what Ellis' tone will be; X-Men: Legacy and Young X-Men's distinctions are rather obvious, one would think.

[La Fea]

Wait, why the heck isn't Dazzler on the cover of #500? If she's supposed to be making her glorious return in #501 you would have thought she'd be on it.

Maybe she's "Magma", the mysterious figure to the left, to the left.

No you're not.

You're sitting there behind a computer and bashing a person and editors you don't know and it's pathetic.

If I have to explain why the books are different to you than we're in a lot of trouble b/c you don't have reading comprehension.

If the books are all blurring together losing their individuality than they are forming a single voice...which is what you said they weren't doing in your last post. Which is it DDM? Are they all different or all the same? Or should we just forget the books and start bashing editors and writers?

You're mean.

[jester1436]

What makes Astonishing X-Men different from Uncanny X-Men? How is Uncanny X-Men different from X-Men? What is New X-Men considering X-Men was called New X-Men a few years ago? The only book I see with a distinctive tone & voice is X-Factor.


While I can almost see the argument about the first three X-Men titles - although it's generally a weak one when you actually bother to read the titles and pick up the differences in tone and the kinds of stories being told - there is honestly nothing that would support the "What is New X-Men". It was the student title. Not particularly hard to grasp in the slightest and one of the most obvious offshoot titles in the X-Franchise. There's no way you'll get me believing the recent New X-Men series is somehow confused with Morrison's X-Men run by people who actually read comics.

[claimtosubclaim]

What makes Astonishing X-Men different from Uncanny X-Men? How is Uncanny X-Men different from X-Men? What is New X-Men considering X-Men was called New X-Men a few years ago? The only book I see with a distinctive tone & voice is X-Factor.


AXM under Warren Ellis is supposed to address the larger scope; how the rest of the world is affected by and reacts to the potential mutant extinction. Ellis seems to be fond of mixing social politics with superheroics.

Uncanny X-Men is the core X-book where we'll see a rotating ensemble. The more traditional canon stories will be here. They will have a new home base and a new mission statement.

X-Men: Legacy is a solo book, for starters, with a few others as supporting cast. Aside from the attempt to repair Xavier's mind, it's about the old dogs of mutantkind. Carey will be touching on the future roles of Xavier, Magneto, and Shaw in current mutant affairs; what purposes they served, and what new purposes they might need to have in order to stay relevant in the game.

X-Factor is about a Private Investigation agency of mutants.

X-Force is a black ops team assembled to take out already-known mutant threats before those threats come to their doorstep. It's already shaping into what will likely be an all-out war against the Purifiers.

Sounds pretty diverse to me, considering how a few years ago, every book was just "one of the many squads of X-Men from the mansion fighting bad guys."

[dotdotdot]

why would anyone take ddm seriously? he lives in such a bubble. also the avatars.

[Michael P]

Y'know who'd be good as an artist on Uncanny? Patrick Zircher. It's high time he stepped up to the big leagues.

[La Fea]

why would anyone take ddm seriously? he lives in such a bubble. also the avatars.

Power Pack?

[Pixie_Solanas]

I love how Fraction called SF the "most tolerant place in the country".

That's scary, because it really isn't. :D It's an overpriced shithole that's has no soul because it's all been driven away at the expense of the millionaire property owners and their legion of Range Rovers and Stokke baby strollers.

[Michael P]

Yeah, but you can have sex with anything you want, and they won't bat an eye.

[dotdotdot]

Power Pack?

i'm thinking of the history of weird beefcake avatars

[claimtosubclaim]

The way San Franciscans perceive SF and the way the rest of the world does is quite different. They only know the stereotypes.

But hey, I'd love to see the X-Men fighting in the Mission, or Kurt, Logan, and Peter getting a beer at a pub in Haight, so I'll welcome the change.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Yeah, but you can have sex with anything you want, and they won't bat an eye.

Are you kidding? Just some innocent bestiality will get the PETA freaks on your ass so quick.

[DDM]

AXM under Warren Ellis is supposed to address the larger scope; how the rest of the world is affected by and reacts to the potential mutant extinction. Ellis seems to be fond of mixing social politics with superheroics.

Uncanny X-Men is the core X-book where we'll see a rotating ensemble. The more traditional canon stories will be here. They will have a new home base and a new mission statement.

X-Men: Legacy is a solo book, for starters, with a few others as supporting cast. Aside from the attempt to repair Xavier's mind, it's about the old dogs of mutantkind. Carey will be touching on the future roles of Xavier, Magneto, and Shaw in current mutant affairs; what purposes they served, and what new purposes they might need to have in order to stay relevant in the game.

All of these elements can exist in one book. X-Men Legacy is only 12 issues then the book will either revert back to being X-Men or the book will be cancelled.

Joe Quesada said he wanted Astonishing X-Men to be the "core" X-Men book. However, how can it be when it's 3-4 months late consecutively?

These three X-Men books really have no distinctive voice from one another. They even have the same noun: X-Men.

X-Factor is about a Private Investigation agency of mutants.

Yes.

X-Force is a black ops team assembled to take out already-known mutant threats before those threats come to their doorstep. It's already shaping into what will likely be an all-out war against the Purifiers.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97720903230.1.GIF

What's old is new, repackaged & replaced, but it still is the same old book.

[DDM]

Power Pack?

Cannonball & Magma being held by Binary; the image is from The New Mutants #51:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/56757119524.51.GIF

[dotdotdot]

What's old is new, repackaged & replaced, but it still is the same old book.

sorry man. rogue militant team without mansion approval isn't the same as a cyclops mandate to end threats before they rise. at all.

[Teh m0nk3y]

What's old is new, repackaged & replaced, but it still is the same old book.

Except for the part were the new iteration of X-Force is really a Black Ops/ Wet Works unit under the command of Scott with Logan as the field leader. While the old version was a strike force that didn't do much of its supposed mission statement. If Liefield can understand this, than I'm amazed that you don't.

[DDM]

Except for the part were the new iteration of X-Force is really a Black Ops/ Wet Works unit. And the old version was a strike force that didn't do much of its supposed mission statement. If Liefield understands this, than I'm amazed that you don't.

X-Force defied Xavier as they went their separate militant path. Black ops are trained in the military. The themes are quite similar.

[La Fea]

Cannonball & Magma being held by Binary; the image is from The New Mutants #51:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/56757119524.51.GIF

Oh, lol!

I don't know why I thought Power Pack. They wouldn't need Astronaut suits, right???

[Teh m0nk3y]

X-Force defied Xavier as they went their separate militant path. Black ops are trained in the military. The themes are quite similar.

Except that Scott, the current head of the X-Men, is giving X-Force it's marching orders. With lethal intent.

[dotdotdot]

X-Force defied Xavier as they went their separate militant path. Black ops are trained in the military. The themes are quite similar.

it's such a stretch though. obviously the idea for the name came from the fact that the earlier book was also the more militant one at the time, but you're still really reaching to try to make this silly point.

[jester1436]

X-Force defied Xavier as they went their separate militant path. Black ops are trained in the military. The themes are quite similar.

Old X-Force was a team of rebellious students trying to become a pro-active mutant army of sorts. It was totally pulling away from the more traditional X-Men approach and setting them oppositional to the X-Men.

New X-Force is a small cluster of mutants doing black ops work undercover and without the general knowledge of the X-Men or past team mates, at least yet. They're working within the X-Men system doing un-X-Men things.

They're not alike at all. Anymore so than the ORIGINAL X-Force of X-Men named military experiments or the third X-Force that became X-Statix. Every single group to carry the name has been distinctive from each other.

[frog]

I don't think I've seen this (http://media.comics.ign.com/articles/859/859898/img_5366186.html)anywhere yet - looks like another cover for X-Men: Divided. It features Nightcrawler, Nezhno, Storm, Anole and Cannonball.

[DDM]

I don't think I've seen this (http://media.comics.ign.com/articles/859/859898/img_5366186.html)anywhere yet - looks like another cover for X-Men: Divided. It features Nightrcrawler, Nezhno, Storm, Anole and Cannonball.

It's the cover to a 2 part X-Men related limited series.

[DDM]

Old X-Force was a team of rebellious students trying to become a pro-active mutant army of sorts. It was totally pulling away from the more traditional X-Men approach and setting them oppositional to the X-Men.

New X-Force is a small cluster of mutants doing black ops work undercover and without the general knowledge of the X-Men or past team mates, at least yet. They're working within the X-Men system doing un-X-Men things.

They're not alike at all. Anymore so than the ORIGINAL X-Force of X-Men named military experiments or the third X-Force that became X-Statix. Every single group to carry the name has been distinctive from each other.

Current old-new X-Force is a proactive force except unlike the old, old X-Force, the old-new X-force kills. But then now does the X-Men. So how do they stand out from the crowd again besides old-new X-force being the Lupine Avengers? They don't.

[Pach!]

Current old-new X-Force is a proactive force except unlike the old, old X-Force, the old-new X-force kills. But then now does the X-Men. So how do they stand out from the crowd again besides old-new X-force being the Lupine Avengers? They don't.

X-force doesn't chill at a base,until they're attacked and then go do something about. X-force goes after them before they get a chance to attack for good. That's the main difference.

[claimtosubclaim]

You're just nitpicking, DDM. The premises of the books can only go so far because it's all in the same universe, and everyone is a mutant fighting for mutants. Tell us how you would streamline the books (with both artistic integrity and financial sensibility in mind).

[frog]

Okay, this quote from a Wizard Entertainment article (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/031508wwlaxmenpanel.html)sounds like each issue of Uncanny will have two different stories instead of going bimonthly as was previously speculated. That's interesting, but with two artist for each issue, will it stay on schedule?

And with two writers on the book, Uncanny will begin to split artists on each issue as Greg Land (Ultimate Power) will draw the front half with rotating artists on the back half, starting with the newly Marvel exclusive Terry and Rachel Dodson. Fraction also said that he and Brubaker had plans for something called “The Hellfire Cult.”

[timbox]

Hmm, that Uncanny dueling artist thing doesn't make much sense.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Hmm, that Uncanny dueling artist thing doesn't make much sense.

I truly hope the person reporting that info was mistaken...if not, then you are quite correct timbox...that MO makes ABSOLUTELY no sense, what-so-ever.

[Butters]

It's a rotating cast, right? Maybe the first half will follow one character or group of characters, and the other will follow another character or group of characters.

[DDM]

You're just nitpicking, DDM. The premises of the books can only go so far because it's all in the same universe, and everyone is a mutant fighting for mutants. Tell us how you would streamline the books (with both artistic integrity and financial sensibility in mind).

Streamlining the books means each book has its own separate identity that readers can distinguish with ease. Currently, Astonishing X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, & X-Men all blur together with one very obscured message about the end of the mutant race. Therefore, it makes all mutant books irreverent.

[DDM]

It's a rotating cast, right? Maybe the first half will follow one character or group of characters, and the other will follow another character or group of characters.

Uncanny X-Men seems to be going Legion of the Super-Heroes route. :rolleyes:

[Butters]

Uncanny X-Men seems to be going Legion of the Super-Heroes route. :rolleyes:

Yeah, pretty much. Time travel and alternate realities have fudged both continuities up massively, so it may as well.

[pryde15]

Uncanny X-Men seems to be going Legion of the Super-Heroes route. :rolleyes:

There's nothing wrong with that either. Legion of Superheroes is my favorite title out there at the moment. Shooter is doing an amazing job at developing each character, and telling multiple stories, that blend into one. The characterization is better than has been since the series started, and the art is incredible. If the writer is able to handle a rotating cast, and the cast is that large, then so be it. The reboots are annoying, but DC has already given evidence that they plan on tying the different continuities up, or giving us some type of closure.

oh and he didn't ask what streamline meant, he asked how you would streamline it ;)

[Pach!]

Streamlining the books means each book has its own separate identity that readers can distinguish with ease. Currently, Astonishing X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, & X-Men all blur together with one very obscured message about the end of the mutant race. Therefore, it makes all mutant books irreverent.

Are you currently reading X-men? It's not the same at all.


Uncanny is the classic book.


And Astonishing is perhaps, a bit like Uncanny but that's still. 2 books out of like 7 that are similar. They have done a good job streamlining.

[Butters]

They do seem to be getting streamlined alright.

Astonishing is the basic "team" book that is more self-contained.

Uncanny is the book with a large rotating cast that is apparently the center of the X-universe.

X-force is the book for people into stern-faced bloodletting and low-lighting.

Young X-men I guess is supposed to be the book with teen characters, which usually has the premise of "X-men in training." They seem to be marketting them as their own team that is at odds with the adults though, so I guess they are just the book with young mutants.

X-men Legacy is a weird experimental book for the more curious fans.

X-Factor is the street level book.

Cable is the sci-fi, post-apocalyptic book with two guys that have cybernetic arms, guns, and menacing facial expressions.

There is also New Exiles for the alternate reality junkies and X-men: First Class for the O5 fans.

[Toboe]

Damn...

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m229/wondyfan/gregland.gif

[Novaya Havoc]

And right behind Hepzibah is another Emma/Storm/Invisible Woman. She's small, but she's there.

[Swashbuckler]

That's crazy. and quite depressing actually.

[frog]

I can't remember where I saw it, but another site someone had found the original poses for everyone but Beast on that Land spread.

No Land issue should ever be late due to slow artwork, at least.

[DDM]

They do seem to be getting streamlined alright.

Astonishing is the basic "team" book that is more self-contained.

Astonishing X-Men must be self-contained because it is always late for whatever reasons. However, a basic team book is not an identity. You can also describe any other team book that is late with this definition.

Uncanny is the book with a large rotating cast that is apparently the center of the X-universe.

Uncanny X-Men has a large rotating cast because it replaces writers every few years. The change does not come from the organic growth of characters leaving & replacing others with the writer staying on the book. Essentially, Uncanny X-Men has become unstable due to the writer's shift every few years. The editors are also mandating change with no rhyme or reason when a new writer comes aboard. It's like Chris Claremont's 17 years run on Uncanny X-Men without the depth, character development, & the logical change on steroids.

X-force is the book for people into stern-faced bloodletting and low-lighting.

Punisher X-Men? :rolleyes:

Young X-men I guess is supposed to be the book with teen characters, which usually has the premise of "X-men in training." They seem to be marketting them as their own team that is at odds with the adults though, so I guess they are just the book with young mutants.

"X-Men in training" used to be for The New Mutants, the novice students. However, again, Young X-Men just seems like a confusing concept given Uncanny X-Men, Astonishing X-Men, & X-Men already exist.

X-men Legacy is a weird experimental book for the more curious fans.

It's only 12 issues. I wouldn't call it experimental at all. Then the book is either cancelled or reverts back to X-Men.

X-Factor is the street level book.

This is the only book with the definite voice long established in Madrox.

[Joe Franklin]

No Land issue should ever be late due to slow artwork, at least.

True. Tracing old art and magazine photos is fast.:D

No late Uncanny X-Men.:cool:

[Toboe]

At least he should get new magazines.

[Joe Franklin]

At least he should get new magazines.

Don't like classic art styles?:D

[SYBERNYMPH]

Please Bring Back Lifeguard And Threnody !!!!!!!!

[streator]

has land ever personally commented on people pointing out his swipes? i'm sure he knows that some people feel negatively about it.