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sabongero
03-15-2008, 12:44 PM
After being left hanging with issue #30 last year, Manhunter fans finally found out great news with the continuation of the series in June.

Personally, I love the series, and it has grown on me. Thanks Marc Andreyko. Jate Spencer is great with all her flaws (hope she starts smoking again haha), and her supporting cast was cool as well. Cameron Chase, Dillon, even director Bones, etc...

But I don't want to write what I think. I want to ask the people in this forum, what is their verdict? What were the strong points of the series ? If there were weak ones, how can it be improved ?

I'm not denying that I hope it will be a mostly positive verdict. I hope this series reaches in the triple digits.

Deathstroke
03-15-2008, 12:57 PM
The series rocks, period!

drwho
03-15-2008, 04:04 PM
Towards the end I liked the supporting characters more than the main character.

Antrustion
03-15-2008, 05:51 PM
Towards the end I liked the supporting characters more than the main character.

That's pretty close to my view. I like the book, but I think the supporting cast is actually more interesting and likable than Kate Spencer herself. I find it interesting that you found that was more the case near the end. I actually outright disliked Kate after reading the first trade and probably would have given up on the book if I hadn't already had the next 2 trades. I actually grew to like the character as the book went on.

Libaax
03-15-2008, 05:53 PM
I didnt like the last arc much despite WW being a client made sense and it was a ploy to sell more(which is a good thing in this case).

The issues before that was great, 5 stars !

It was my ideal street level hero/heroine. Its how other street level heroes should be written. The writing and the sense of humor was great. Good humor is rare in the soap drama and gloom of most series of Manhunter type.


Only thing i didnt like much was the art. It wasnt as good as the writing.

Hope this new artist the Alias guy is very good.

rwe1138
03-15-2008, 05:56 PM
One of my all-time favorite series.

Babylon23
03-16-2008, 08:28 PM
A great and highly underrated series. Kate Spenser is one of the most interesting lead characters in comics. Plus, the book has an excellent supporting cast.

Christopher Cross Is God
03-16-2008, 08:47 PM
A great and highly underrated series. Kate Spenser is one of the most interesting lead characters in comics. Plus, the book has an excellent supporting cast.

Agreed.

It's one of the only comic series I have ever read where I liked every single issue........Not one dud to be found.

ashez2ashes
03-16-2008, 11:46 PM
Sweet, more Manhunter. I really enjoyed the first two TPBs (hmm I need to pick up the third). Although, I think the series pace was hurt with that stupid Year Later stuff (not the authors fault though). Could never quite figure out how Kate was suddenly accepted by the capes commuinty. They were all against her in the beginning when she was offing super villians. I hope Kate kills some villians again, that was really badass.

The Xenos
03-17-2008, 04:16 AM
I'm surely looking forward to a new series. I'm torn between 4 and 5, but I'm nit picky like that. Well, I guess it it one of the best DC around today. You know, if it ever comes out again.

tangentman
03-17-2008, 08:16 AM
I LOVED Manhunter! I thought Andreyko explored the "vigilante" angle with intelligence, humor, and insight. The cast--AND villains--were presented as three-dimensional people, rather than "grim'n'gritty" cliches. That Kate Spencer was so unsympathetic actually worked for me. I think there are more unlikeable lawyers (and white collar pros) than not, and this seemed like a very realistic characterization to me.

Andreyko also made good use of B- and C-listers of the DCU. His Copperhead, Shadow Thief, Obsidian, Cameron Chase, Merlyn, Dr. Moon, and Phobia were simply outstanding to me! Therefore, I loved seeing Wonder Woman show up for the final arc. I think that nicely contrasted the tone set earlier in the series--it showed Kate having "arrived" as a lawyer and a heroine.

I strongly disagree with the earlier comment about the art, too. I liked the art and thought it worked well with the mood of the series. Personally, I'm LONG past ready for a Manhunter relaunch!

rwe1138
03-17-2008, 05:13 PM
Dylan Battles is one of the best characters ever, in any medium.

Mysterio's Helmet
03-17-2008, 07:54 PM
I heard one thing:

Marc vows to kill more villians. Starting with this new arc. And he promises that one day Kate will castrate Dr. Light (or kill him...) Whatever's easier.



As for the book itself, I found myself waiting for that Wednesday to roll around so I could read this title. I love Kate and I think she's just the most well rounded character. And Dylan....what can you say about a loveable weasel?? Best supporting character in all of comics. That's about as high a compliment as I can pay.

Can't wait. It's always been a book that's struggled hence the mishmash of artists. But despite it all, the book is a solid read. If you're on the fence about it, don't be. Pick it up and enjoy!

Gozwald73
03-17-2008, 09:03 PM
I never read the series but heard lotsa good things about it. Now that I've read a little about Ms Spencer via her appearances in Birds of Prey, I'm gonna jump on board. She's a fiesty girl and the series should be fun. Hmm hope I can track down the back issues.

:)

marc andreyko
03-17-2008, 11:15 PM
goz-

send me your address and i'll send you a grab bag assortment of issues! for free! (and signed, if you so desire!)

marc andreyko

estee
03-18-2008, 09:26 AM
I jumped on board late...pretty much the last arc with Wonder Woman and I thought it was great stuff.

So I'm glad its back.

Wanna lay bets on how long it takes before it gets cancelled again.

rwe1138
03-18-2008, 04:28 PM
Wanna lay bets on how long it takes before it gets cancelled again.

No. :evilangry

Libaax
03-18-2008, 04:48 PM
goz-

send me your address and i'll send you a grab bag assortment of issues! for free! (and signed, if you so desire!)

marc andreyko

In newsarama article i was reading about the latest interview about the series i read someone in the forum post about a Manhunter T-shirt, is there really one ? I would easily pay for it if there was one !

drwho
03-18-2008, 04:51 PM
Dc would have been smarter to relaunch the thing with a number 1.

LungerTony
03-19-2008, 11:45 PM
In newsarama article i was reading about the latest interview about the series i read someone in the forum post about a Manhunter T-shirt, is there really one ? I would easily pay for it if there was one !

Lol. I read that same Newsarama post...and wanted one too!
I would definantly buy a Manhunter T-shirt.

And Manhunter coming back is such great news. It was my first and only DC title for quite some time (Marvel guy). I only started to get BoP because she was cast on it.
Hands down, Kate Spencer was the coolest superheroine I ever read in mainstream comics. And as far as killing super-villains...its about time a superhero applied some common sense.

Manhunter is easily one of the best superhero comics, period. I couldn't have been more stoked when I first caught whiff it was being brought back to life. Now I am psyched I saw it on the solicits.

sabongero
04-01-2008, 10:31 PM
Dc would have been smarter to relaunch the thing with a number 1.

From a business standpoint that is the best way to do it to attract new readers. But Manhunter has a core fan base and can progressively attract new readers. Personally I'd rather have DC continue with issue #31 just to have continuity from the previous issue #30.

And I really liked this series. Like I said before...hey Marc Andreyko hope this goes to like issue #300 or so man. Keep up the great work. And keep the Chase and Dylan relationship intact. It makes for some amusing quiet times when they're together.

Bored at 3:00AM
04-01-2008, 10:46 PM
I gave it a couple chances to grab me, but I just don't see what people are so excited about with this series. Although, given the sales numbers, I'm obviously not the only one.

It didn't help that they wiped out the entirety of Ostrander's wonderful Manhunter series for no good reason.

Stanlos
04-02-2008, 03:17 PM
I had heard the hype of Manhunter, but given that I had been burned by so many "new" books that would die shortly thereafter, I decided to pass. I was phasing out comics until the Countdown 80 Page Giant lured me back in. My Completist tendencies spurred me to pick up the OMAC tie-ins and . . . WOW. I picked up as many back issues as I could find and then the Gods blessed us with that first trade . . .

What can I say? I think the best way to describe it would be that Kate Spencer and her supporting cast sounded like People You Know. They were so fully rendered and so wonderfully human! It was like those wonderful instances at the supermarket where you are shopping intently and a random guy strikes up a convo for like two minutes and you are instant friends.

Reading those back issues and trades was like that for me.

And the costume and its origin rule!

Spectreguy
04-02-2008, 06:50 PM
:D :D MANHUNTER IS BACK!!! :D :D
spectreguy(who really likes Manhunter)

drwho
04-02-2008, 07:09 PM
For anyone that did not read the Chase series you should because it was great.

rwe1138
04-03-2008, 05:48 PM
For anyone that did not read the Chase series you should because it was great.

Indeed. Love me some Cameron.

LungerTony
04-04-2008, 09:46 PM
My verdict: I WANT!

sabongero
05-16-2008, 12:43 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16410

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16410

June 4 is the official day that Manhunter is back. I am going to go back to reading current comic books on a regular basis starting June 4.

the4thpip
05-16-2008, 02:32 AM
I got the first two trades (signed by Marc) at the Unscrewed! charity auction for artists ripped off by Rick Olney. I hadn't been interested in the series before that, but loved them so much I picked up trades 3 and 4, and now put the series on my pull list and will be looking forward to it every month!

Lester C.
05-16-2008, 03:59 AM
What did you guys think of the one year later jump in the book. I thought it was really confusing at first, then I got angry because I felt robbed. I know that doesn't make sense, is that by not seeing the many changed played out over the course of many issues I felt deprived somehow.

the4thpip
05-16-2008, 04:29 AM
What did you guys think of the one year later jump in the book. I thought it was really confusing at first, then I got angry because I felt robbed. I know that doesn't make sense, is that by not seeing the many changed played out over the course of many issues I felt deprived somehow.

You do realize that all DC books did that, don't you?

Catwoman had a baby, the Teen Titans had lost all the non-teens and Batman was suddenly gay.

Lester C.
05-16-2008, 04:44 AM
You do realize that all DC books did that, don't you?

Catwoman had a baby, the Teen Titans had lost all the non-teens and Batman was suddenly gay.

Suddenly gay:confused: I think until recently he was always gay. Asexual at any rate.

ashez2ashes
05-16-2008, 09:45 AM
I'd have to agree that the OYL crap hurt Manhunter the worst since it was just starting out. I too felt robbed, since we got to see her progress from the beginning and she was still a rookie before the skip. It was like missing most of the middle of the season of your favorite show. Sure you know how it ends up, but the important part was getting there not what happens in the end.

Damiean Dark
05-16-2008, 12:02 PM
I think Manhunter is the most underused character in DC and the most interesting.

Ghost Shark
05-18-2008, 09:36 PM
I think Manhunter is the most underused character in DC and the most interesting.

Ditto.

I was thrilled to see her turn up in BIRDS OF PREY, and I hope her series gets noticed big time when it re-starts, and sells tonnes of copies.

sabongero
05-18-2008, 10:43 PM
Yup, the One Year Later story line hurt the series. In fact it did not only hurt Manhunter, it hurt the other DC books as well. It's good she's being utilized in the Birds of Prey. She had good chemistry with Huntress in Birds of Prey #108, which was the last issue I bought for that series. But I just recently bought #109 - #117 this weekend. I was in the store and I saw Manhunter on the cover page of a few of the subsequent issues, so I just had to get it. I hoped that MacKeever and the new scrbie, Tony Bedard "gets" Manhunters core character.

sabongero
06-05-2008, 12:26 AM
Has anyone picked up issue #31 yet ? Darn my local store ran out. And this other store only ordered a few and it ran out as well.

I'm jut curious if the story is a continuation from issue #30 of last year ... after the corner location explosion.

rwe1138
06-05-2008, 08:44 AM
I'm jut curious if the story is a continuation from issue #30 of last year ... after the corner location explosion.

That plot point wasn't referenced in #31. But I know that Marc has said it will be followed up on.

Fabio13
06-05-2008, 08:49 AM
#31 was my first issue of Manhunter ever, but the recap page filled me in well enough to understand what was going on.

Overall I really enjoyed this issue and loved the vibe I got from it. Why I didn't pick up this title earlier when it was still in production is beyond me but Andreyko and Gaydos can count me on board as a long term reader.

now time to head over to wikipedia for a more detailed history on the Manhunter.

4/4 stars

AlistairCrane
06-05-2008, 10:50 AM
I could only give it 3 stars because of the awful artwork.

sabongero
06-05-2008, 10:56 AM
I could only give it 3 stars because of the awful artwork.

Can you let us know what made the art awful ?

AlistairCrane
06-05-2008, 01:39 PM
Can you let us know what made the art awful ?

I think it's pretty self-evident, but I'll spell it out:

the inking, lack of detail, the dark, muted colours, the panel layouts, and the sharp change in style from Jesus Saiz and Javier Pina's work. Now I saw the previews of Gaydos' uncoloured art, and that was nice, so most of my problem comes with the colouring. It's awful. But it's also his pencils: Kate looks fat and her face is very unattractive.

tangentman
06-05-2008, 02:58 PM
I couldn't disagree more. I think Gaydos makes a wonderful addition to the book. Manhunter occupies a dark corner of the DCU. It's gritty, while maintaining sardonic humor. It's violent, although never gratuitous. The edgier elements are nicely balanced by portraying realistic human relationships. Gaydos brings this appropriate paradox to the book.

When I read the recap at the beginning, I could only think how Gaydos really captured the essence of the characters. I think he brings an interpretation to Kate that still maintains her "Kateness", if you will. His style complements the tone set by Andreyko. I think they're a wonderful duo and hope to see them work together for years to come!

That aside, let me say, Marc, how THRILLED I felt to pick up Manhunter yesterday! I thought the opening fight with Atomic Skull brought us back with a BANG! The fight was grisly, yet funny at the same time. The mystery of the missing migrants is a compelling one, and the surprise appearance at the end actually worked for me.

One minor nitpick: when we last saw Manhunter, wasn't a clinic being bombed? I looked forward to that story, and hope it hasn't been entirely discarded.

Great comeback, Marc! Thanks for your perseverance, and for bringing such a superb series!

tangentman
06-05-2008, 03:02 PM
EDIT: HATE the double posts.

Aaron King
06-05-2008, 03:58 PM
I actually thought Kate wasn't plain enough. In Andreyko's introduction to the first trade, he said something about all heroines having large breasts or cleavage or the like and that he wanted to get away from all that. But here's Kate in a tank top with cleavage. It wasn't a big deal or anything; it just wasn't what I expected.

josh straightedge
06-05-2008, 09:13 PM
I'm so glad Manhunter is back. One of the better DC books.

FunkyGreenJerusalem
06-05-2008, 09:20 PM
I got the first two trades as they came out, but I'm not a fan.
I feel there was potential in the concept and characters, but it didn't hold up.
Especially in the second trade, where the issue cliff hangers were appearances by villains who weren't even named, and seemed to be appearing to attack without motive.
I also feel it suffered from weak characterisation of the main character - trying a little to hard to make her a real person with real problems - for instance seems obsessed with her own smoking more than any smoker in the history of smokers (which of course was just a lazy writing shortcut to show the sort of person she is - smokers are a set breed after all).
Not too mention the amount of crossovers and continuity rammed in there to try boost sales - kind of defeated the purpose of setting it in LA.

AlistairCrane
06-05-2008, 11:13 PM
I couldn't disagree more. I think Gaydos makes a wonderful addition to the book. Manhunter occupies a dark corner of the DCU. It's gritty, while maintaining sardonic humor. It's violent, although never gratuitous. The edgier elements are nicely balanced by portraying realistic human relationships. Gaydos brings this appropriate paradox to the book.


Glad you like it, but if the art stays shitty, I'll drop the book.

elise
06-11-2008, 04:27 PM
Bah, finally got to my comic shop today, looking forward to reading this issue... and they were all gone. :(

marc andreyko
06-12-2008, 04:28 AM
have 'em reorder!!!! :)

marc

elise
06-12-2008, 06:08 AM
have 'em reorder!!!! :)

marc

I asked them to order one for me. :smile:

Deathstroke
06-12-2008, 06:10 AM
I really enjoyed issue #31 and can't wait to see where we are going to be taken on this restarted journey of Manhunter.

Ghost Shark
06-13-2008, 08:31 AM
goz-

send me your address and i'll send you a grab bag assortment of issues! for free! (and signed, if you so desire!)

marc andreyko

Now that's cool.

Excellent job so far, Marc. Keep up the great work!

sabongero
06-15-2008, 03:58 PM
I finally got my Manhunter #31. Haha It was the fifth comic book shop I went to. And this was behind another comic in another section at the very corner. Someone was hiding it, I'll bet he's in for a surprise tomorrow that it's not there anymore.

I like the supporting characters and looks like great grandpa is cooler than grandpa. After all he's taking great grandson to get some pizza, albeit he has to get permission first from Kate. After all grandpa (the late father of Kate) wasn't too nice. And that's putting it mildly.

Hey Marc, I hope you keep these new supporting characters. Besides being Legacy on Kate's family, it's a nice interaction for Kate outside the uniform that keeps her character grounded.

Oh and I hope in future issues she has problems going back to smoking again.

Come on withdrawal problems. Like a really bad-ass fight or storyarc that drives her to go back smoking because of the stress from that storyarc. Right ?

Libaax
06-19-2008, 12:26 PM
I just picked up 31 from my LCS.


I must say whoever choose Gaydos as the artist is a genius! His dark style and how he draws Kate and Kate in costume is awesome.

I thought the one thing that brought down the level of Manhunter in the first 30 issues was the art,colors. Good see Gaydos and the rest of the art team being such a good fit.

I enjoyed the story alot, i laughed several times at Kate's usual witty banter in that fight and in the end with in Mexico.

The surprise at the end was awesome for me as im a big fan of that character, along with Kate he/she is my new favorit in DCU :)

Graymask
06-19-2008, 04:20 PM
I like Marc Andreyko's writing and a lot of friends really pimped Manhunter to me a while back, so I went out and got the trades. By the end of the second book, I was actively rooting for the villains.
Really good writing and an interesting supporting cast, but I can't stand Kate Spencer/Manhunter. She just makes me want to go out and punch something. :evilangry:

Libaax
06-19-2008, 04:25 PM
I like Marc Andreyko's writing and a lot of friends really pimped Manhunter to me a while back, so I went out and got the trades. By the end of the second book, I was actively rooting for the villains.
Really good writing and an interesting supporting cast, but I can't stand Kate Spencer/Manhunter. She just makes me want to go out and punch something. :evilangry:

Hey as long as you like the series and the writing thats enough.

I dont like every character of the series but i love it overall.

Good to see people giving this comic a chance.

Im pimping it to everyone at my LCS.

Pixie_Solanas
06-19-2008, 04:58 PM
Marc Andreyko is an awesome guy. Hooked me up nice and proper with some freebie issues.

sabongero
06-30-2008, 10:51 PM
Manhunter #32 is coming out this Wednesday. I'm picking this up. Who else's picking this up ?

I wonder when will Andreyko go back to the story and continue the end of issue #30 where the corner store blew up.

rwe1138
07-01-2008, 02:30 PM
Manhunter #32 is coming out this Wednesday. I'm picking this up. Who else's picking this up ?

I haven't missed an issue yet. :wink:

Joe Scott
07-01-2008, 04:02 PM
Just adding my voice to the chorus of supporters, I too think Manhunter is great! Also like a few others I thought to check it out via Birds of Prey, I enjoyed ish 31 keep up the good work Marc.

sabongero
08-16-2008, 10:07 AM
Three issues in since coming back in June, the first two were very solid. I haven't picked up the latest one yet, but the store owners claimed the latest issue wasn't up to par as the other two. You guys agree ? Hey, Andreyko can have an off-month. All in all, it's been a solid series right ?

Libaax
08-26-2008, 05:46 AM
I agree the last issue wasnt as good as the first two but still it had some really interesting developments.

I think it has become even better since coming back. Gaydos+ fleshing out the family history of Kate+ interesting real world story about the killings etc

sabongero
09-18-2008, 07:09 PM
Did the last issue turn off a lot of straight male readers of Manhunter ? It's the one that featured ** spoiler ** two men kissing. Or is it because there was a downturn on the quality of the work. I haven't read the lastest issue as I am up to 32 only. How's the few issues since the relaunch starting on ssue #31 ?

marc andreyko
09-18-2008, 10:20 PM
i can't imagine that the Obsidian/Damon scene in #34 "turned off" straight male readers anymore than i was "turned off" by Peter and Mary Jane or Reed and Sue or Scott and Jean or Dick and Kory and Barbara or... you get the picture.

and it was not the first time they kissed in the book either.

i firmly believe that "staright" men who have an issue with a kissing scene between two men need to look inward and see why. none of my straight friends bat an eyelash anymore than i do when i see starights "flaunting their sexuality";)

i do appreciate the attempt at starting a controversy, tho!

marc

JumpingJupiter
09-18-2008, 10:28 PM
For me I felt it was wedged in.

marc andreyko
09-18-2008, 10:57 PM
ok, but did you feel that way because it was a gay scene or because of story structure?

reflecto
09-18-2008, 11:51 PM
Marc, the story structure was fine. Yes, this most recent issue felt slightly choppy. Yes, that's true. Please don't let some homophobe (and let's go ahead and call a spade a spade) tell you that the gay content irreparably damaged the narrative. That simply isn't the case. That absolutely didn't occur.

Hawkman
09-19-2008, 01:00 AM
Marc, I'm a straight male, and I didn't feel that scene was wedged in at all. Felt very natural to me, no different than if it were a guy and girl. I suppose I could see the way the panel focused in on the lips causing some to view it as a "statement," but I viewed it as more of a way to show what was otherwise going to be an intimate moment suddenly and unexpectedly being interrupted. Didn't think twice about it.

And so I'm on topic for the thread at large, this is one of the most consistently entertaining books on the shelf right now. I give it a very solid 4 out 5, month in and month out. It's disheartening to me that its sales aren't higher, because I really want it to continue. Big thanks to the folks on this board for constantly plugging it and causing me to take notice, as well as to you, Marc, in particular, for personally introducing me to it.

sabongero
09-19-2008, 01:11 AM
i can't imagine that the Obsidian/Damon scene in #34 "turned off" straight male readers anymore than i was "turned off" by Peter and Mary Jane or Reed and Sue or Scott and Jean or Dick and Kory and Barbara or... you get the picture.

and it was not the first time they kissed in the book either.

i firmly believe that "staright" men who have an issue with a kissing scene between two men need to look inward and see why. none of my straight friends bat an eyelash anymore than i do when i see starights "flaunting their sexuality";)

i do appreciate the attempt at starting a controversy, tho!

marc

Hey Marc thanks for commenting on the thread. I already know about Kate's co-worker and Obisdian's relationship early in the series.

Just thought the Manhunter thread was kind of slow lately. So I decided to infuse some "controversy" like you said, so I can generate a little interest on the title in my own way. After all, I like the series hands down. And I love Kate's character.

But hey come on, have her smoke again. I love it when she's chasing the bad guy and she gets winded a little and like has some inner monologue reflecting "I gotta quit smoking". Those were cool. Keeps her grounded even more.

Keep up the good work man. I gotta get 33 and 34. Looks like I have to go to Manhattan to actually get you comic book. It's hard to get an issue of Manhunter, do you know that ?

By the way Mark ... I hope DC gives you a shot at writing a story arc on Batman Confidential. I am curious as to see you write a Batman storyline. I want to see how you will make Batman menacing to other characters. Like that guest appearnce he did and scared the living beejeezus out of Kate. Now that was freegin laugh out loud funny. Come on man, have him make another guest appearnce.

JumpingJupiter
09-19-2008, 01:56 AM
ok, but did you feel that way because it was a gay scene or because of story structure?

Good question. Frankly, I'm not gay proud for my own reasons. But I'm not homophobic either. At least I don't think I am. Haven't known that many gay people. I don't think it's very becoming to quickly accuse someone of being homophobic btw. Not that you did that, but some people do.

I like Manhunter. One of the very few titles I buy. Have all the trades too so, if I was homophobic I probably wouldn't be such a fan.

No I don't think it was because it was a gay scene. But I can't say it was because of story structure either because I don't know that much about writing. I'm just a reader. The issue as a whole didn't excite me like most of the other Manhunter stories. And that scene struck me as confusing. Wait, let me go re-read it...

Hmm, I see. It was foreshadowing right? Obsidian will go help Kate?

Well, I don't know now. I guess to me it sticks out for some reason. Yeah, maybe it makes me uncomfortable because it's a gay scene. To me there's nothing wrong with thinking that. I'm me. I have to be me and have my own beliefs/opinions. And you have to be you. It's cool.

*shrug* I didn't mean to offend anyone.

$5 Milkshake
09-19-2008, 02:23 AM
Good question. Frankly, I'm not gay proud for my own reasons. But I'm not homophobic either. At least I don't think I am. Haven't known that many gay people. I don't think it's very becoming to quickly accuse someone of being homophobic btw. Not that you did that, but some people do.

I like Manhunter. One of the very few titles I buy. Have all the trades too so, if I was homophobic I probably wouldn't be such a fan.

No I don't think it was because it was a gay scene. But I can't say it was because of story structure either because I don't know that much about writing. I'm just a reader. The issue as a whole didn't excite me like most of the other Manhunter stories. And that scene struck me as confusing. Wait, let me go re-read it...

Hmm, I see. It was foreshadowing right? Obsidian will go help Kate?

Well, I don't know now. I guess to me it sticks out for some reason. Yeah, maybe it makes me uncomfortable because it's a gay scene. To me there's nothing wrong with thinking that. I'm me. I have to be me and have my own beliefs/opinions. And you have to be you. It's cool.

*shrug* I didn't mean to offend anyone.

If it makes you feel any better, Reflecto hadnt called anybody a homophobe in over 48 hours, so SOMEBODY had to take that bullet.

Karl O'Neill
09-19-2008, 03:10 AM
it's really, really good, I am glad i gave it a shot, love all the little subplots with dylan battles and the joker.

Karl O'Neill
09-19-2008, 03:12 AM
it's really, really good, I am glad i gave it a shot, love all the little subplots with dylan battles and the joker.

Karl O'Neill
09-19-2008, 03:13 AM
it's really, really good, I am glad i gave it a shot, love all the little subplots with dylan battles and the joker.

Karl O'Neill
09-19-2008, 03:14 AM
it's really, really good, I am glad i gave it a shot, love all the little subplots with dylan battles and the joker.

marc andreyko
09-19-2008, 04:05 AM
jupiter-

i'm not calling you homophobic and didn't mean to imply it. i asked because i was curious what bothered you - content or narrative structure.

and it takes an honest person to admit that something makes them uncomfortable, BUT, it was not a moment of "let's sneak in the gay agenda". it had been awhile since we had seen damon and todd, so i wanted to touch base with them (and they will be a big part of the next arc).

in fact, mister heterosexual michael gaydos punched up the kiss so much that i called him when i got the art and told him "that page is mine!":)

marc

p.s. thanks for readin' Manhunter! every reader means a lot!

sabongero
10-19-2008, 11:31 PM
Too bad its cancelling by issue #38. I liked this series. Did you guys know it's being cancelled? I hope the DC editorial board will change their mind.

Andreyko Confirms Manhunter Cancelation
by CBR News Team, Editor

Fri, October 17th, 2008 at 11:43AM PST

"Manhunter" #36 on sale November 5

Writer Marc Andreyko confirmed in a Facebook posting that “Manhunter,” his critically acclaimed superhero series from DC Comics, has been cancelled. “Anyone up for a third letter-writing campaign ('specially retailers)?” Andreyko wrote, referring to the previous fan-driven campaigns to keep the poorly selling title on the stands.

"Manhunter" follows the heroic adventures of Kate Spencer, a lawyer turned superhero who repurposes the weaponry and armaments of captured or fallen villains to bring her own brand of justice to the DCU. The series has been called a superhero “Law & Order,” with real-life events, issues and themes heavily informing the book’s content.

The much-lauded title premiered in 2004 and quickly earned itself a small but vocal fanbase. In 2006, DC announced plans to cancel the book with issue #25, but when fans mounted a huge campaign to keep the book alive, the publisher relented and commuted “Manhunter’s” sentence for another five issues. Sales did not improve significantly, and the title was cancelled with issue #30.

Reportedly strong trade paperback sales and support from DC editorial resulted in “Manhunter” being resurrected earlier this year, beginning where it left off at issue #31. Evidently, the latest incarnation of the title did not perform up to expectations. “Manhunter” #38 will be the final issue of the series.

CBR Staff Writers Robert Taylor and Jeffrey Renaud contributed to this story.

apoehler
10-20-2008, 05:41 PM
Too bad its cancelling by issue #38.
This was a decent series, but it had its chance. It was never outstanding, and it never broke through in a way that put it on another level. Let it die.

marc andreyko
10-20-2008, 05:46 PM
thanks, aaron!

JumpingJupiter
10-21-2008, 05:30 PM
jupiter-

i'm not calling you homophobic and didn't mean to imply it. i asked because i was curious what bothered you - content or narrative structure.

and it takes an honest person to admit that something makes them uncomfortable, BUT, it was not a moment of "let's sneak in the gay agenda". it had been awhile since we had seen damon and todd, so i wanted to touch base with them (and they will be a big part of the next arc).

in fact, mister heterosexual michael gaydos punched up the kiss so much that i called him when i got the art and told him "that page is mine!":)

marc

p.s. thanks for readin' Manhunter! every reader means a lot!

Sorry for the dealyed response. I know you weren't saying I'm homophobic, someone else in the thread did.

It's cool.

Go Go
10-21-2008, 06:05 PM
I love, love, love Manhunter! Kudos to Mr. Andreyko & Company for putting together a wonderful series! I love Kate Spencer as Manhunter, and I love the stories told in the series. I am glad to see Obsidian have a happy and secure relationship, and love seeing two men kiss in a comic book. As a gay man, I'm not saying that all comics need to have two men kissing in it. In this case, however, it was appropriate. Thank you for always putting together a book that I love to read and re-read!

Pixie_Solanas
10-21-2008, 06:09 PM
This is a damn shame. I hope Marc Andreyko gets a shot scripting another title soon enough.

JumpingJupiter
10-21-2008, 06:44 PM
I'm currently re-reading the entire series for the fourth time. There are so few parts that I don't like in this run!

So much fun to read!

dancj
10-22-2008, 05:59 AM
I've just realised - Marc Andreyco is the guy they should have put on Checkmate

sabongero
10-23-2008, 01:08 AM
I've just realised - Marc Andreyco is the guy they should have put on Checkmate

We all have our opinions, and I respect your opinion on this. And I like Andreyko's work in Mnahunter. He has done such a phenomenal job with Manhunter, that it is one of the unknown gems around in the world of sequential art today.

But as far as Chekmate is concerned, Greg Rucka is the main man in Checkmate. Greg was born to do that series. And as good as any writer working in DC right now, they can only do half as good as Greg Rucka did in that series. The mood, atmosphere, and storylines in Checkmate are Greg Rucka's forte in writing that type of series. And no one can match him on that.

Just my humble opinion of course. No disrespect intended on Marc Andreyko.

Here's a link on on one of the threads on Greg Rucka;s Checkmate

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=186999&highlight=verdict+checkmate

tangentman
10-23-2008, 07:21 PM
Marc, I felt sad to hear the news of cancellation. Manhunter is one of my "must haves" from DC, and the cancellation will cost the money I spent on it. Until Power Girl comes out, there's nothing out there strong enough to replace your series. I enjoyed your work, and appreciated the top-notch characterization, clever plots, and balls out action sequences. Finally bringing Todd Rice out of the closet only sweetened the experience! :biggrin:

Hopefully, DC realizes what a superior talent they have in you and immediately place you on another title. Forget Checkmate, I'm all about seeing you on Birds of Prey!

echopryme
10-23-2008, 07:26 PM
This is a damn shame. I hope Marc Andreyko gets a shot scripting another title soon enough.


I will tell you emphatically...


We want him over at Wildstorm. We've been talking about it here and there.

Babylon23
10-23-2008, 07:43 PM
It's definitely a shame to see Manhunter come to an end. While I'm a little annoyed, I'm thankful that DC gave the series another chance. We got 14 more issues of Manhunter than we would have had if they'd just let it die the first time around.

Shot
10-23-2008, 11:12 PM
I will definitely miss this title. It's been my favorite every month since the re-launch. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Manhunter will come back, but in the meantime I'm going to be following Marc wherever he goes.