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Evil-Spidey
03-14-2008, 12:00 PM
I thought this could be somehow useful what do you think about it and can you tell if i forgot someone?

Enemies
Shocker
Entforcers = Fancy Dan / Ox / Montanna
Electro
King Pin
Rocket Racers
Kraven
Dr. Octopus
Spider-Man Imposter (Just a Guy)
Rhino
Venom
Elektra
Sandman
Gladiator
Punisher
Boomerang
Nightmare
Killer Shriek
Hammerhead
Donald Roxxon
Silver Sable & her Wild Pack
Vulture
Tinkerer
Spider-Slayers
Omega Red
Deadpool & his Reavers
Ringer
Kangaroo
Scorpion (Peter Parker clone)
Carnage 2 (Gwen Stacy clone)
Spot


Allies
X-Men = Cyclops / Jean Grey / Storm / Nightcrawler / Colossus / Iceman / Wolverine
The Ultimates = Iron Man / Thor / Wasp
Sharon Carter
Fantastic Four = Mr.Fantastic / Invisible Woman / Human Torch / The Thing / Franklin Storm
Black Cat
Dr.Strange
Shang-Chi
Kitty Pride / Spider-Girl
Daredevil
Morbius
Spider-Woman (Peter Parker clone)
Firestar (Liz Allen)


Regular friends / family / "enemies"
Aunt May
JJ Jameson
Robbie Robertson
Ben Urich
Flash Thompson
Kong


Other
Mary Jane / Demogoblin
Nick Fury
Captain America
Hawkeye
Hulk / Bruce Banner
Lizard / Curt Conners
Miles Warren (Harry Osborn's hypnotherapist)
Geldoff (new character)
Mysterio (Random Actor)
Ben Reilly (Curt Connors assistant)
Molten Man (Mark Raxton's musicband)
Moon Knight / Ronin
Iron Fist
Blade
Damage Control (The Ultimate Wrecking Crew)
Cassandra Web


DEAD
Uncle Ben - killed by a small fry criminal
Justin Hammer - killed by Dr.Octopus
Captain Stacy - killed by a bomb thrown by the Spider-Man imposter
Gwen Stacy - killed by Carnage 1
Carnage 1 - killed by the fire in a industry chimney
Silvermane - killed by Hammerhead
Jean De Woff - killed by Punisher
Kaine (Peter Parker clone) - killed by A Shield Agent
Tarantula (Peter Parker clone) - killed by Dr.Octopus
Richard Parker (Peter Parker clone) - killed by superfast cloneaging
Hobgoblin (Harry Osborn) - killed by Green Goblin
Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) - killed by Carol Danvers


Possible Appereances / People who haven't appeared in USM or the Ultimate Universe in general so far
Alistair Smythe
Alyosha Kravinoff
Armada
Aura
Basilisk
Big Wheel
Black Fox
Black Tarantula
Blood Rose
Blood Spider
Calypso
Cardiac
Carlyle
Carolyn Trainer
Carrion
Chameleon
Chance
Conundrum
Crime-Master
Crown
D.K.
Delilah
Digger
The Doppelganger
Dspayre
Eel
Fly
Fogg
Freak
Frog-Man
Fusion
Fusion (Pink & Hubert Fusser)
Gibbon
Grey Goblin
Grim Hunter
Grizzly
Humbug
Hydro-Man
Hypno-Hustler
Jackal
Jack O'Lantern
Joystick
Judas Traveller
Klaw
Knight
Looter
Man Mountain Marko
Miss Arrow
Mister Negative
Man-Killer
Man-Wolf
Mindworm
Morlun
Mr. Hyde
Overrive
Prof. Mendel Stromm
Prowler
Puma
The Queen
Quicksand
Radioactive Man
Richard Fisk
Ringmaster
Roderick Kingsley
Rose
Scarecrow
Scorpia
Scream
Shadrac
Shaker
Shathra
She-Venom
Shriek
Sin-Eater
Slyde
Spider-X
Spidercide
Stegron
Stunner
Thousand
Tombstone
Tracer
Seward Trainer
Trapster
Vermin
Walrus
White Rabbit
Will-O-The-Wisp

Evil-Spidey
03-14-2008, 01:12 PM
Sorry for the triple topic posting, this one here is the right one.

NHBelongsToMe
03-14-2008, 01:13 PM
As I posted elsewhere:

Iceman? At least recently, in any event.
And would we call Iron Fist an ally? He's kind of a traitor.

Evil-Spidey
03-14-2008, 01:20 PM
Yeah ok update the list for Iron Fist but i kinda didn't want to add the FF, X-Men and Ultimates / Nick Fury to the list because of their own books.

Ahh screw it i'll add them

Netley
03-14-2008, 02:08 PM
Wow, great list! (But what do you mean by possible appearances?)

Evil-Spidey
03-14-2008, 02:51 PM
Possible Appearances are characters that haven't appeared in Ultimate Spider-Man / Ultimate Universe yet but could have a chance (some more, some less) to do so later.

Netley
03-14-2008, 02:54 PM
Possible Appearances are characters that haven't appeared in Ultimate Spider-Man / Ultimate Universe yet but could have a chance (some more, some less) to do so later.

Ah. Well, in that case, I'm rooting for an Ultimate Tombstone!

ultimatespyder20
03-14-2008, 04:10 PM
Hydro-Man & Prowler.
Bendis, Give Them a Series. :D

Alec

Angelus II
03-15-2008, 07:12 AM
I don't see how Demogoblin is a villain. Maybe pick her--or it in other 'til we know for sure.

Evil-Spidey
03-15-2008, 07:16 AM
Demogoblin attacked good guys so it is a villain just like Bruce Banner could be a ally and the Hulk a vilain.

Angelus II
03-15-2008, 07:17 AM
Ben R. should be label as connors assistant.

And is Jameson on that list.

Evil-Spidey
03-15-2008, 07:40 AM
Ok i labeled Ben Reilly and added Jameson to the list.

the_dude
03-16-2008, 01:51 PM
i dont ever remember that mary jane was define as demogoblin.

carabas
03-16-2008, 03:31 PM
I think we can move the Ultimates, or at least Captain America and Howkeye, out of the Ally cathegory.

timomcshade
03-16-2008, 07:00 PM
Hey i was bored and thought this could be somehow useful what do you think about it and can you tell if i forgot someone?

Enemies
Rocket Racers
Boomerang
Killer Shriek
Wild Pack
Tinkerer
Spider-Slayers
Omega Red
Ringer
Kangaroo
Spot

Allies
Firestar (Liz Allen)

Kaine (Peter Parker clone) - killed by A Shield Agent
Tarantula (Peter Parker clone) - killed by Dr.Octopus
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OK I have every Ulti-Spidey up to #117. I only buy the trades. I like those better as I'm a reader not a collector. I have not seen any of these characters in those 117 issues plus the team-ups and the Ultimate 6 crossover. Did I miss them or did they show up after 117?

As for Kaine and Tarantula clones which ones were they? Were they in Clone Saga?

When was it confirmed that kitty is Spider-Girl and MJ was DemoGoblin? I thought MJ looked more like Jackal.

Evil-Spidey
03-17-2008, 11:17 AM
i dont ever remember that mary jane was define as demogoblin.
Bendis said that her transformation during the clone saga is the ultimate demogoblin.


I think we can move the Ultimates, or at least Captain America and Howkeye, out of the Ally cathegory..
Uhh, why?


Enemies
Rocket Racers
Boomerang
Killer Shriek
Wild Pack
Tinkerer
Spider-Slayers
Omega Red
Ringer
Kangaroo
Spot

Allies
Firestar (Liz Allen)

Kaine (Peter Parker clone) - killed by A Shield Agent
Tarantula (Peter Parker clone) - killed by Dr.Octopus

OK I have every Ulti-Spidey up to #117. I only buy the trades. I like those better as I'm a reader not a collector. I have not seen any of these characters in those 117 issues plus the team-ups and the Ultimate 6 crossover. Did I miss them or did they show up after 117?

As for Kaine and Tarantula clones which ones were they? Were they in Clone Saga?

When was it confirmed that kitty is Spider-Girl and MJ was DemoGoblin? I thought MJ looked more like Jackal.

Wild Pack
http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/ultimatespiderman/087/ULTSM087_int-4.jpg

Omega Red
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/661/661901/ultimate-spider-man-20051026015754285.jpg

Ringer & Spider-Girl
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/688/688617/ultimate-spider-man-20060214013958956.jpg

Spot
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/780/780605/ultimate-spider-man-20070413041306444.jpg

Firestar (Liz Allen)
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/854/854039/ultimate-spider-man-119-preview-20080221025940890.jpg



Rocket Racers - Issue 22 first few pages

Boomerang - Issue 61 Carnage arc, seen fighting the Punisher

Killer Shriek - First chapter of Hobgoblin arc

Tinkerer - Last chapter of Silber Sable arc

Spider-Slayers - Clone Saga Nick Fury calls his army which appears before Peters house Spider-Slayers

Kaine is the one with the ugly face and Tarantula the black one with six arms
http://www.kingscomics.com.au/catalog/images/prodimg/img5293.jpg

carabas
03-17-2008, 04:56 PM
Uhh, why?Because after Venom trashed their 70's Avengers Mansion, the Ultimates (well, Hawkeye and Cap) attacked Spider-Man (because he's obviously an ally of the spider-themed Venom, at least according to Hawkeye's skewed thought processes).
Spidey got shot at, drugged, and then Cap and Hawkeye left him passed out in some park in New york in the middle of the night.
I reckon they're of Peter's christmas card list.

desanth
03-17-2008, 08:51 PM
Because after Venom trashed their 70's Avengers Mansion, the Ultimates (well, Hawkeye and Cap) attacked Spider-Man (because he's obviously an ally of the spider-themed Venom, at least according to Hawkeye's skewed thought processes).
Spidey got shot at, drugged, and then Cap and Hawkeye left him passed out in some park in New york in the middle of the night.
I reckon they're of Peter's christmas card list.

Don't forget he got raped in the park after they left him. :D

timomcshade
03-18-2008, 06:32 AM
Thanks. I did miss them except liz allen as that is from the issues I don't have yet.

Angelus II
03-18-2008, 06:39 AM
Demogoblin attacked good guys so it is a villain just like Bruce Banner could be a ally and the Hulk a vilain.

Still, we really don't know what side Demogoblin is on. You are just assuming that 'it' is a villain since the 616 version was.

It kinda like giving a dog a shot. Sometime it will attack if it feel provoke, that doesn't mean it evil. And that exactly what happen to MJ.

Evil-Spidey
03-18-2008, 11:00 AM
Because after Venom trashed their 70's Avengers Mansion, the Ultimates (well, Hawkeye and Cap) attacked Spider-Man (because he's obviously an ally of the spider-themed Venom, at least according to Hawkeye's skewed thought processes).
Spidey got shot at, drugged, and then Cap and Hawkeye left him passed out in some park in New york in the middle of the night.
I reckon they're of Peter's christmas card list.

Did that happen in Ultimates 3? Because i know that that didn't happen in USM or Ultimates 1 or Ultimates 2.


Still, we really don't know what side Demogoblin is on. You are just assuming that 'it' is a villain since the 616 version was.

It kinda like giving a dog a shot. Sometime it will attack if it feel provoke, that doesn't mean it evil. And that exactly what happen to MJ.
No i'm not assuming anything, especially not because of something that happened in 616. Otherwise i wouldn't have Punisher, Silver Sable, Elektra, Iron Fist and Ronin in the enemy category. Demogoblin attacked the Fantastic Four who are clearly good guys making it evil. It's really the same like with the Hulk when he eats/attacks inncontinent persons this falls into the catergory evil even tough he may just follow his instinct.

carabas
03-18-2008, 11:20 AM
Did that happen in Ultimates 3? Because i know that that didn't happen in USM or Ultimates 1 or Ultimates 2.Ultimates 3, issue 2.

Originally Posted by carabas
Still, we really don't know what side Demogoblin is on. You are just assuming that 'it' is a villain since the 616 version was.Eh, that wasn't me you're quoting there.

Evil-Spidey
03-18-2008, 11:27 AM
Ultimates 3, issue 2.

Eh, that wasn't me you're quoting there.
Ok then i will move Cap and Hawkeye into the enemy catergory and i guess i'll have to buy Ultimates 3 even though i didn't wanted to because of the art.


Eh, that wasn't me you're quoting there.
Changed it.:p

carabas
03-18-2008, 01:24 PM
Ok then i will move Cap and Hawkeye into the enemy catergory and i guess i'll have to buy Ultimates 3 even though i didn't wanted to because of the art.I's like two pages or so. If you have to, just flip though it in the store. Don't encourage them of making more of this crap.

Ramirez IV
03-20-2008, 07:00 AM
Ultimate Gibbon. It's time.

Evil-Spidey
03-27-2008, 11:58 AM
Did i forget someone on the list or who do you think is in the wrong category?

becominAfanAgain
03-27-2008, 12:59 PM
WOW!!! That is a great lists no doubt I have a lot of catching up to do.

timomcshade
03-28-2008, 05:07 AM
Did i forget someone on the list or who do you think is in the wrong category?


No way Dude it is an awesome, very complete list. Like I mentioned in a previous post I have read every issue and I missed characters. Actually you should do a similar list for ALL the Ultimate books but do it for the Universe.

Angelus II
03-28-2008, 06:31 AM
No i'm not assuming anything, especially not because of something that happened in 616. Otherwise i wouldn't have Punisher, Silver Sable, Elektra, Iron Fist and Ronin in the enemy category. Demogoblin attacked the Fantastic Four who are clearly good guys making it evil. It's really the same like with the Hulk when he eats/attacks inncontinent persons this falls into the catergory evil even tough he may just follow his instinct.

That's call assuming.

Logan attack the X-Men (UXM #3). He isn't evil.

Nightcrawler attack the X-Men (UXM annual #2)

I could go on with this.

hunter_peterson
03-28-2008, 06:43 AM
I agree. Mary Jane was confused and scared. She had no means of discerning a threat.
But Wolverine may be evil...;)

Angelus II
03-28-2008, 07:30 AM
I agree. Mary Jane was confused and scared. She had no means of discerning a threat.
But Wolverine may be evil...;)

Yeah, anything possible with Wolverine.

Evil-Spidey
03-28-2008, 11:00 AM
That's call assuming.

Logan attack the X-Men (UXM #3). He isn't evil.

Nightcrawler attack the X-Men (UXM annual #2)

I could go on with this.

You really can't compare those. You can only compare MJ / Demogoblin with Bruce Banner / Hulk or persons who make similar transformations into monsters with diffrent personality then the person itself or just into a mindless creature.


No way Dude it is an awesome, very complete list. Like I mentioned in a previous post I have read every issue and I missed characters. Actually you should do a similar list for ALL the Ultimate books but do it for the Universe.

Maybe but i don't think i paid that much attention to the other books like i did with USM i reread every arc in USM at least 4-5 times. Actually i never paid that much attention to any other book. I could do it for Ultimates 1 and 2 but for 3 which is by Loeb i wait for the tpb. UFF i only really like the issues by Mark Millar 21-32 and UXM i read it up to the Cable arc issue 77 but never found UXM to be especially good or as interesting as USM or the Ultimates. However i plan to start reading all Ultimate books again maybe then i'll do it.

hunter_peterson
03-28-2008, 06:56 PM
Actually, it seems all of the Goblins are unable to control their early transformations.

Angelus II
03-29-2008, 06:03 AM
Actually, it seems all of the Goblins are unable to control their early transformations.

Right. Harry was only one to control it since they put him on some drugs to slow down the change.

Mary Jane's Goblin was only seen once, in the clone saga. We don't really know if she can control it like Harry did.

Demogoblin should be put in unknow.

Evil-Spidey
03-29-2008, 11:48 AM
Ok i did put Mary Jane / Demogoblin into the others category, i also put
Moon Knight / Ronin
Iron Fist
Blade
Captain America
Hawkeye
from allies to this category since none of these are cleary either enemys or allies to Spider-Man.

Shadow ES
03-29-2008, 05:25 PM
Cloak and Dagger appear in a police station in the Ultimate Knights issue.

hunter_peterson
03-29-2008, 07:59 PM
As a joke.

Evil-Spidey
03-30-2008, 05:42 AM
Speedball also appeared like that but those were really just jokes kind of a running gag i think. Maybe later there will be real versions of Ultimate Cloak and Dagger or Ultimate Speedball.

hunter_peterson
03-30-2008, 06:33 AM
I'd prefer Ultimate Penance.

Evil-Spidey
03-30-2008, 07:01 AM
You'll need to wait for Ultimate Nitro to blow up Ultimate Stanford for Ultimate Penance to appear after the Ultimate Civil War.;)

Angelus II
03-30-2008, 09:07 AM
Maybe later there will be real versions of Ultimate Cloak and Dagger .

We know that Dagger goes to Peter's school. Her real name (Tandy Bowen) was in USM #78.

Evil-Spidey
03-30-2008, 10:59 AM
I know of Ultimate Tandy Bowen but she has nothing to do with Ultimate Dagger so far!?

hunter_peterson
03-31-2008, 02:06 AM
Exactly. Like, Ms Marvel is appearing in Origins. That might have nothing to do with Carol Danvers. But there is a modern story too, I guess.

And in the Spidey game there was an Adrian Toomes that was unconnected with the Vulture.

timomcshade
03-31-2008, 05:27 AM
Exactly. Like, Ms Marvel is appearing in Origins. That might have nothing to do with Carol Danvers. But there is a modern story too, I guess.

And in the Spidey game there was an Adrian Toomes that was unconnected with the Vulture.


Yeah apparently FURY is currently away and Danvers is running S.H.I.E.L.D. This is stated in the "Death of a Goblin" Arc. Did I miss something? When did he go?

Bendis said that his upcoming issues are actually going to go back to the story of the game then jumping forward to how those events are causing all the trouble for Spidey. So maybe we will learn about that Toombs AND get to see more Ultimate Beetle!

Evil-Spidey
03-31-2008, 08:51 AM
Exactly. Like, Ms Marvel is appearing in Origins. That might have nothing to do with Carol Danvers. But there is a modern story too, I guess.

And in the Spidey game there was an Adrian Toomes that was unconnected with the Vulture.

Ultimate Miles Warren is another example of this. He had absolutely nothing to do with the Ultimate Clone Saga and a Ultimate Jackal is nowhere to be found so far. Also we have a Ultimate Ben Reilly but there's no Ultimate Scarlet Spider and if there were i doubt that guy would be it.

Yeah apparently FURY is currently away and Danvers is running S.H.I.E.L.D. This is stated in the "Death of a Goblin" Arc. Did I miss something? When did he go?
It happened in Ultimate Power, he is not even in the Ultimate Universe anymore, they left him in the Supreme Power Universe.

hunter_peterson
04-01-2008, 05:17 AM
Bendis said that his upcoming issues are actually going to go back to the story of the game then jumping forward to how those events are causing all the trouble for Spidey.

Where did you find this. In everything I've read on it he calls it an adaptation. Plus the game is impossible to fit into continuity, so this must be wrong.

timomcshade
04-01-2008, 06:24 AM
It happened in Ultimate Power, he is not even in the Ultimate Universe anymore, they left him in the Supreme Power Universe.

OH OK. Thanks. I haven't read Ultimate Power yet, trade has not been released, but that explains things.

In case you are wondering I am not bothered by the spoiler. If I was I wouldn't have asked the question.

timomcshade
04-02-2008, 04:42 AM
Where did you find this. In everything I've read on it he calls it an adaptation. Plus the game is impossible to fit into continuity, so this must be wrong.

It's possible I mis-interpreted what he meant. The story was either at Marvel.com or comics.ign.com(searched but cannot find the story and it MAY have been a video interview), but the next arc "Battle of the Symbiotes" goes back to the game.

ThePhenom
04-02-2008, 05:54 AM
Where did you find this. In everything I've read on it he calls it an adaptation. Plus the game is impossible to fit into continuity, so this must be wrong.

No, Bendis to this day is super insistent the game is in continuity, he even said it in that video interview the other week...

Angelus II
04-02-2008, 05:59 AM
No, Bendis to this day is super insistent the game is in continuity, he even said it in that video interview the other week...

I really don't care if the game is in continuity or not, all I care about is the return of Venom.

Evil-Spidey
04-05-2008, 11:39 AM
Where did you find this. In everything I've read on it he calls it an adaptation. Plus the game is impossible to fit into continuity, so this must be wrong.

Bendis said the first half of war of the symbiotes will adapt the video game and second part will be set in the present with a new story involving Gwarnage.

hunter_peterson
04-06-2008, 12:09 AM
Ah. That sounds way more awsome than I hoped for. Wonder how he'll tie them together story-wise?

Angelus II
04-06-2008, 09:32 AM
Bendis said the first half of war of the symbiotes will adapt the video game and second part will be set in the present with a new story involving Gwarnage.

Is there a link confirming this or something.

Evil-Spidey
04-06-2008, 10:37 AM
Is there a link confirming this or something.

Of course. http://www.marvel.com/videos/278.The_Ultimate%7Ecolon%7E_Brian_Bendis_on_Spidey

Evil-Spidey
04-12-2008, 03:31 AM
I put Nick Fury from allies to the others category because he's not anymore in the right universe to be a ally or enemy of Peter.