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Binker
03-13-2008, 03:01 PM
by Nathaniel Ruff (aka Binker on Newsarama, and Nate on BYTB)

WONDER WOMAN #18

Written by Gail Simone
Art by Bernard Chang
Cover by Terry Dodson and Rachel Dodson
Edited by Matt Idelson

PLOT:
Comics superstar Bernard Chang joins Gail Simone for a 2-part story that will take Wonder Woman to the furthest reaches of the galaxy, but not before the vicious alien race the Khund begin an assault on Earth! But before the invasion can begin, the relationship of Wonder Woman and Nemesis takes a defining turn.

REVIEW:
The next great thing to happen to the Amazing Amazon was giving Gail Simone the writing reins on the book. Her first arc, "The Circle", presented us with one type of story we can expect from Gail Simone's run. And man, me and everybody else are all right onboard! In that arc, Gail successfully showed a Princess Diana/Wonder Woman who was in everyway a woman, a warrior, an Amazon, and a princess. Greek mythology in terms of her Amazon nature was written well, and I loved the scenes where she fought while reciting her faith. In comparison, Gail Simone's run is already up there with others like George Perez, Phil Jimenez, and Greg Rucka among others. Now we're on a two-part storyline that will take Diana into the stars. When I first heard about this, for some reason even though she has already gone up there, the storyline reminded me of the arc William Messner-Loebs did on the book from issues #66-71. I did not read it, but I do know about it. So I'm sure if there will be any similarities, but without further ado, here is Gail Simone's Wonder Woman #18!

Once again, Gail Simone provides readers with Diana's greek background into the context of the story. I'll get to that later, but for now, let's focus on the main story here in regards of the aliens and such. The Khunds who appeared here happened to have appeared before, in both Perez' run, Loebs' space arc (a fact I mentioned this 2-parter's storyline reminded me of), and I believe they last appeared in Byrne's run. I never read those stories, so reading them here was a first for me compared to others who did those issues back then. Despite that, it is pretty much obvious that something is up in between scenes when Diana is not with them. And when you consider that Diana has to protect them against a member from the Green Lantern corps, as she narrates on the final page, it ain’t going to be simple. I suppose I should've talked a little more on these guys, but my mind was on something else in this issue. And this happens to go...

...back to the Greek background I was talking about; in this issue, Diana presents to Tom Tresser (Nemesis) a proposal of sorts in a courtship between the two. The way she presents it is totally based from her Greek roots, completely from Diana asking Tom to wear two tokens that would symbolize the bond from Diana's people and Gods. Reading that scene made me feel like Gail was probably reading my mind. For a time, I always wondered what would happen when a man fell in love with Diana, or any Amazon on Themyscira, and what would happen between these two worlds if they were to marry in a sense. Now, Diana presents a courtship, not a marriage, to Tom, but what Gail did was an answer to this question I had for awhile. The only other time we saw something like this concerning Diana and Themyscira was back in 1985/6 with the final issue of Wonder Woman Vol. 1 #329, where Diana and Steve Trevor got married. But not only was that pre-Crisis, but that was shown like a regular wedding no different than what you would see anywhere. What Gail did here literally fits with Diana's Greek origins. Thumbs up for that.

Another thing I want to mention happens to be a comparison from this to Diana and the loves of her life from past stories. Previous stories concerning Diana and her love life were always the same: either they were crushes, or flirtations between the two. We saw this from the pre-Crisis stories with Steve Trevor, to even the Trevor Barnes character from Phil Jimenez' run. What Gail did here was different: a character from a Greek myth background what’s to ask a man for a courtship would ask in a matter such as what she did in this issue. I have no problem at all with Phil Jimenez' run, I think he did a good job like any. But, if I recall correctly, while she was on model every time, when it came to the scenes between her and the Trevor Barnes character, who she was were taken out and replace with that of a regular woman and what she would do if she fell in love. Gail did something better, and something that fit the character more. While I have no problem at all with the previous writers, I have to say that this proves Gail is a smart writer.

Overall, we got ourselves yet another smart and exciting issue of Gail Simone's Wonder Woman. I know the title of this book is still "Wonder Woman", but it is Gail's version we're reading now. Like I said, how Gail presented the courtship scene between Diana and Tom was great as it fit the character completely with her Greek background. There is no point in saying this, but it has to be said yet again: Gail knows what she is doing, for she knows who and what Diana a.k.a. Wonder Woman is. What happens in #19 between her and Tom over this is something we have to wait, but I wonder what his answer will be.

RATING: Yay

Next Issue: Why has Diana side with the enemy? And who is the incredibly powerful DC figure that's trying to stop her?

estee
03-13-2008, 04:45 PM
Fricken triple Yay!

I loved Diana's awkwardness as she began the courtship with Tom. Asking if he'd like to go to the movies and such. Gail made cliches actually profound. The woman even bit her lower lip she was so nervous. Nice touch!

Just loving this book.

Perhaps the best title DC is making at the moment, IMO. :)

Samuraixsithlord
03-13-2008, 06:55 PM
i've always wanted diana to have a serious romance.

estee
03-13-2008, 08:10 PM
And not with another hero. ;)

Chiroptera
03-13-2008, 09:00 PM
I don't say this often but... There was only one redeeming quality of this issue for me was the ending. The whole WW vs GL thing caught my interest but...
The art. The art disgusted me in this.
Not because it was bad, it's not, it's quality art work. It just felt really REALLY out of place.
I'd love to see it for something like Teen Titans, but the art here was just a critical misplacment. Diana was given large eyes and a very large head on a rather skinny body, which left her looking more like a teenager than a woman. I felt like I was reading one of those old "The Adventures of Superboy" kind of comics with a mainstream hero de-aged to appeal to the young audience.


Like others said, I found the ritual itself funny, though Diana's awkwardness in it seemed out of place given that Gail's been writing her as a very confident person. I attribute this more to the art than the writing, she LOOKED less confident that usual.
I do still find myself to just be WAITING For someone to kill that irritating blonde bas. I just don't like the guy, didn't like him in Catwoman, didn't like him in his own series, don't like him in this. Screw getting rid of Jason Todd, I want to see Nemesis erased from the universe in the next Crisis.

The high flying alien planet adventure only added to the feel and as a result the whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth. The story wasn't bad either. Gail's work is always intriguing but for some reason it just... I don't know. I guess I got used to Wonder Woman getting back to her 'on earth' and magical roots, so an adventure to an alien world left me disappointed. After opening with such a strong and intriguing first story it felt... Odd. First comic I've been really disappointed in since Gail's run began.

TROUBLEZ
03-13-2008, 11:46 PM
I actually thought they were going to tease us for a very long time before actually getting Wonder Woman and Nemesis into a courtship or romance. I liked the dynamic that Nemesis has this crush/hero worship of Wonder Woman, and yet treats his partner Diana Prince as cumbersome, someone he doesn't need, but very slowly, warming up to her (as seen when he found out her birthday. Not a big deal but shows he's not a complete a$$).

I also thought the scene was awkward and happened too early.

Chiroptera
03-14-2008, 09:06 AM
I actually thought they were going to tease us for a very long time before actually getting Wonder Woman and Nemesis into a courtship or romance. I liked the dynamic that Nemesis has this crush/hero worship of Wonder Woman, and yet treats his partner Diana Prince as cumbersome, someone he doesn't need, but very slowly, warming up to her (as seen when he found out her birthday. Not a big deal but shows he's not a complete a$$).

I also thought the scene was awkward and happened too early.

Agreed. I didn't really think about it till you mentioned it, but that's part of what bothered me to. Their sudden pair up seems rushed.

Powerboy
03-14-2008, 03:09 PM
I love WW but for some reason can seldom get myself to deeply analyze the situation. I really loved it both for the nuances and for the fact that Gail Simone writes a WW that is what she should always have been since the days Marston said she was as strong and powerful as Superman and then subsequent writers always wrote her weaker. Gail's WW takes out the khunds easily, is their most revered opponent and seems about to show she can go toe to toe with a green lantern. About time.

4thHorseman
03-14-2008, 03:15 PM
For some reason I didn't get into the issue too much. Think it was partly due to my mood. Main parts that bugged me was

1. The art - not bad, just...I want Dodson back, we'll leave it at that
2. The courtship - just seemed out of place. No leeway or anything, just BAM right at the getgo. Would have liked to have Gail kind of lead more into that relationship a bit first.
3. The Khund fight - too fast. I'm glad she's not a pushover and all, but if this is how the fights are expected to go, then I'm not going to be impressed. Same thing happened when she fought the warrior amazons last arc. Too quickly beaten.

But I'm guessing next issue is where we find out why the lasso is one of the most powerful weapons in the DCU.

carabas
03-15-2008, 02:29 AM
Like others said, I found the ritual itself funny, though Diana's awkwardness in it seemed out of place given that Gail's been writing her as a very confident person. I attribute this more to the art than the writing, she LOOKED less confident that usual.I'd say that it was Gail's intent that she was less confident than usual: she has pretty much zero experience with this sort of thing. She's almost comparable to a teenager on a first date here.

Chiroptera
03-15-2008, 08:16 AM
I'd say that it was Gail's intent that she was less confident than usual: she has pretty much zero experience with this sort of thing. She's almost comparable to a teenager on a first date here.

Bull. The woman's pursued Superman and Batman in relationships and a guy like Nemesis has her nervous? That doesn't fly with me.
Hell I've got no where near the confidence Diana does (taking on an entire invasion army by herself?) but I've never been as nervous as she seemed when I've gone on a first date with someone, and I didn't have people like Batman and Superman on my "previously dated" list.

SensorBoy
03-15-2008, 04:45 PM
Nemesis????

What, was Ambush Bug not ready for a serious relationship? Or G'nort?

Seriously, pairing Diana up with Nemesis is going to need some reallllll solid writing to sell it.

Chiroptera
03-15-2008, 11:48 PM
Nemesis????

What, was Ambush Bug not ready for a serious relationship? Or G'nort?

Seriously, pairing Diana up with Nemesis is going to need some reallllll solid writing to sell it.

*Hands Sensorboy a club jacket and mug* Our meetings are Wednesdays and if their relationship doesn't go to crap and end with Diana giving Tresser a severe backhanded slap at the end of their final date then we will start holding protests outside Gail's house. :p

carabas
03-16-2008, 02:49 AM
I think that Nemesis is a fine choice. You just have to ignore his appearances in the first 14 issues of Wonder Woman, and look at the guy Ostrander wrote about in Suicide Squad.

Chiroptera
03-16-2008, 07:45 AM
I think that Nemesis is a fine choice. You just have to ignore his appearances in the first 14 issues of Wonder Woman, and look at the guy Ostrander wrote about in Suicide Squad.

If you look at it that way it MIGHT work (personally I disagree but that's a debate for another time), however to do that goes against the very nature of the story. We're reading about a character who's in wonder woman, at this moment in time, not in Suicide Squad back then.

To ignore the modern version of the character as he's portrayed in the comics he's in now, where said relationship is taking place makes no sense. It'd be like having a husband who treats you like dirt, but who was very loving and courteous before you go married, and having a friend say: "You just have to ignore how he treats you now and think about how he treated you back then."

carabas
03-16-2008, 08:01 AM
We're reading about a character who's in wonder woman, at this moment in time, not in Suicide Squad back then.

To ignore the modern version of the character as he's portrayed in the comics he's in now, where said relationship is taking place makes no sense."Look at it like this: Diana was behaving wildly out of character as well during the first 14 issues (not to mention Amazon Attacks). There simply is no way that the character Gail is writing about is the same one who thought she was an inhuman golem in Heinberg's run and didn't know what a credit card was in Picault's. I just figure that #15 was a fresh start and a clean break for both of them.

SensorBoy
03-16-2008, 01:19 PM
I think that Nemesis is a fine choice. You just have to ignore his appearances in the first 14 issues of Wonder Woman, and look at the guy Ostrander wrote about in Suicide Squad.

It's not his portrayal.

It's that he's nobody.

carabas
03-16-2008, 03:04 PM
You mean he's not Batman or superman or someone else with his own book?
If you'd read Suicide Squad you'd definitely be counting him among the Somebodies.

TROUBLEZ
03-16-2008, 09:15 PM
Look at it like this: Diana was behaving wildly out of character as well during the first 14 issues (not to mention Amazon Attacks). There simply is no way that the character Gail is writing about is the same one who thought she was an inhuman golem in Heinberg's run and didn't know what a credit card was in Picault's. I just figure that #15 was a fresh start and a clean break for both of them.

Yeah, for being one of the big three, she seemed awfully insecure and inept. I know somethings would be strange to her (like birthday celebrations at work, which made me laugh. then again that was by Gail), but not even knowing how to get through a turn stall??

The golem thing was weird too. Who Is Wonder Woman? was a silly title and journey. Wonder GIRL, okay. She didn't know who her parents were, what her real name was, nothing. Oh well...

Sean Whitmore
03-16-2008, 09:33 PM
It's not his portrayal.

It's that he's nobody.

Like Steve Trevor, Trevor Barnes, et al?


SEAN

Bored at 3:00AM
03-16-2008, 09:54 PM
Wonder Woman can't be with Nemesis because he's a nobody?

When did Diana become little more than a Star-****er?

Sean Whitmore
03-16-2008, 09:59 PM
Wonder Woman can't be with Nemesis because he's a nobody?

When did Diana become little more than a Star-****er?

She can't get off unless tabloid photographers are pawing at the bedroom window.


SEAN

Scott Taylor
03-18-2008, 05:29 PM
Its good. I like what Gail Simone is doing with the character almost as much as the Perez run. *gasp, no say it isn't so!*

JCAll
03-18-2008, 11:06 PM
Nemesis????

What, was Ambush Bug not ready for a serious relationship? Or G'nort?

Don't even TEMPT Keith Giffen.
Seriously, there's a new Ambush Bug title coming, and Giffen isn't above completely screwing people's favorite characters for his own personal amusement.

SensorBoy
03-18-2008, 11:50 PM
Don't even TEMPT Keith Giffen.
Seriously, there's a new Ambush Bug title coming, and Giffen isn't above completely screwing people's favorite characters for his own personal amusement.

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Sean Whitmore
03-18-2008, 11:59 PM
Heh, you just reminded me that they revamped G'nort as a badass in the recent Guy Gardener mini.

Honestly, is there a simpler illustration of what's wrong with DC these days than the words "badass G'nort"?


SEAN

Black Atom
03-19-2008, 01:00 PM
Put me in the "blah" column for this issue. This run is going exactly how I predicted so far. Every other issue, Wonder Woman is pitted against some kind of warrior, whether it be gorillas, nazis, Amazons or the Khunds this particular time, and makes short work of them. Is there anyone left who doesn't think Diana's an accomplished warrior? It seems like a particularly silly point to keep reiterating considering she's a woman who has shown she can tangle with Superman. Really, Wonder Woman could clap her hands and most of these fodder of the week "warriors" would topple over. It's one of the reasons I dropped Gail's Birds of Prey--I'd much rather read a book about where the main character seems like they're in danger, instead of constantly knocking down pushovers.

I agree with others that say the whole courtship of Nemesis seems to come out of nowhere. I think it would've worked better if Gail had started to portray him differently, but it seems unlikely that Diana would see anything in Nemesis the way he's been portrayed lately.