Should the Ultimate Six return?

[Angelus II]

Should the Ultimate Six return? Who should replace Gobby and Spidey, not being members this time?

[rajincajun689]

I'd like them to return with Carnage and Scorpion added.

[Vapour Trail]

Scorpion and Vulture...... or Mysterio

[Splatt]

Venom and Beetle?

[Mister Mets]

If Bendis wants to do it, sure. Otherwise, probably not.

A possible line-up would be Doctor Octopus, Electro, Sandman, Kraven, Venom and Vulture.

If Venom's unavailable, Rhino makes a good alternative as a heavy hitter.

Vulture and Doctor Octopus can argue over leadership.

[saintsaucey]

Shocker and Ringer

[Netley]

If Bendis wants to do it, sure. Otherwise, probably not.

A possible line-up would be Doctor Octopus, Electro, Sandman, Kraven, Venom and Vulture.

If Venom's unavailable, Rhino makes a good alternative as a heavy hitter.

Vulture and Doctor Octopus can argue over leadership.

Good call, I could definitely see that.

(Man, the intro story for Ultimate Kraven back in USM was so hilarious! All that build up of of hunting Spidey on his reality show only to be taken out on camera by like one punch haha.)

[Shadow ES]

Is there really a motivation for them to team up again? The first time they all shared a prison and broke out together. They followed Norman and ended up getting caught. Why do that again, even with a different leader?

[desanth]

Is there really a motivation for them to team up again? The first time they all shared a prison and broke out together. They followed Norman and ended up getting caught. Why do that again, even with a different leader?

I totally agree, in the Ultimate Universe these guys wouldn't team up again. To try it would just be lame and reak of 616. If the Sinister Six show up again, I think that Marvel would have run out of fresh ideas to try out.

[spiderman_rj]

please do not disgrace the ultimate six with venom,even though the uversion is beter than 616

[Alan2099]

I totally agree, in the Ultimate Universe these guys wouldn't team up again. To try it would just be lame and reak of 616. If the Sinister Six show up again, I think that Marvel would have run out of fresh ideas to try out.

Fresh ideas in the Ultimateverse? Surely, you jest.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Is there really a motivation for them to team up again? The first time they all shared a prison and broke out together. They followed Norman and ended up getting caught. Why do that again, even with a different leader?

Because their is strength in numbers. The last time they tried to team up, they did something foolish like attack the White house and got their butts kicked by the Ultimates, this time they could be more low key, their and kill Spidey or take over the underworld, things that wouldn't draw the attention of SHIELD.

The last time they teamed up they got into a fight where they were outmatched, this time they don't have to repeat the same mistake.

[togeteiku42]

I think it be ok if done right. Maybe have Dr. Octopus be leader, and after hearing Norman is dead decides that he is going to go kill spidey. So he gathers up some villains to help him. And learning from Normans mistakes, he is just going to go straight for spider-man, knowing he'll have an advantage with a 6 on 1 battle. And he can choose to have six for the same reason Norman did, saying that that was one thing Norman did right. But i dont think he should get Kraven because he will know how week he really is. And I also think it have to wait till there are some other villains that are stronger than the other current villains. And even though Venom is strong and a good character, I don't think he would fit in the Ultimate Six.

[Angelus II]

If Bendis wants to do it, sure. Otherwise, probably not.

A possible line-up would be Doctor Octopus, Electro, Sandman, Kraven, Venom and Vulture.

If Venom's unavailable, Rhino makes a good alternative as a heavy hitter.

Vulture and Doctor Octopus can argue over leadership.

Sound awesome. But I don't think Doctor Octopus would let Electro back on the team after what he did to him in issue #113.

[Siddon]

I'd like to see an Ulimate six with characters who were never or could never be memebers of the Sinister Six and Electro


Electro
Iron Fist
Madrox
Moebious
Punisher
Ulimate Songbird

[hunter_peterson]

I don't think that Vulture would try to lead, or even get involved. And I doubt that Venom or Carnage would join. Sandmans in jars... I don't think it even could happen anytime soon, but I would like:

Doc Ock-Leader/schemer. Heavy hitter, but prefers the others to do it for him
RHINO-Heavy hitter/demolition. A Real heavy hitter. Also a genius-type. (smart guy in a suit...)
Electro-Sabatuer (like when he detroyed SHEILD's defences)/heavy hitter.
Sandman-Infiltrator/heavy hitter.
Scorpion-That little crazy guy who isn't that helpful sometimes, but other times goes nuts and kicks butt. Also to screw with Peter/MJ/May, whatever. Picked on by the others for being a clone of the enemy/used to frame Peter.
Vulture-Aerial support.

What I like about this set-up is that they could all accidentally take each other out. Sandman accidentally gets sand in RHINO. Electro accidentally zaps Vulture. Vulture falls on Doc Ock. Doc Ock's legs knock open a fire hydrant and turn Sandman to mud/ electricute Electro. Scorpion squirts acid on... well anyone but Sandman.

Not to say all of them taking each other out would be a good ending, but it's nice to have the versatility.

[Shadow ES]

this time they could be more low key, ...take over the underworld,

But that's never been a goal of any of the previous members.

[Evil-Spidey]

Shocker
Boomerang
Killer Shriek
Omega Red
Ringer
Rhino

[carabas]

Doc Ock-Leader/schemer. Heavy hitter, but prefers the others to do it for him
RHINO-Heavy hitter/demolition. A Real heavy hitter. Also a genius-type. (smart guy in a suit...)
Electro-Sabatuer (like when he detroyed SHEILD's defences)/heavy hitter.
Sandman-Infiltrator/heavy hitter.
Scorpion-That little crazy guy who isn't that helpful sometimes, but other times goes nuts and kicks butt. Also to screw with Peter/MJ/May, whatever. Picked on by the others for being a clone of the enemy/used to frame Peter.
Vulture-Aerial support.Why on Earth would this bunch of misfits team up? Half of them don't even kno each other. Why would Scorpion, who is a Peter Parker, get involved with Ock or any of the villains?

Since when is the Rhino a smart guy by the way? He hasn't even had dialogue.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

But that's never been a goal of any of the previous members.

Incorrerct: Electro, Sandman, etc are interesting in moeny pure and simple, which is what a new Six can provide. They can be like a super villain mafia, the goal is money and revenge against spider-man, get trying to kill the president or destroy SHIELD.

If say Chameleon is introduced and wants to take over the underworld, he can easily use his disguise powers to gather five other villians: Vulture, Rhino,
Kraven, Electro and Sandman, he could sway them with the moeny they can make as a team and a much better chance for revenge against Spidey.

[hunter_peterson]

I didn't say it was plausible. I said I would like that to happen. And in the Spider-man game he was a scientist. And yes, I do know that the game is not in continuity, but why would Bendis think up two origins for a character?

Also I assume they have met in the Triskelion, and Doc Ock created Scorpion. He might want to make use of that investment. Also, Peter was forced to work with the first Six, and he was perfectly sane. The Scorpion is quite insane, and may have no real memory of Peter's life, just chunks.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

I didn't say it was plausible. I said I would like that to happen. And in the Spider-man game he was a scientist. And yes, I do know that the game is not in continuity, but why would Bendis think up two origins for a character?

Also I assume they have met in the Triskelion, and Doc Ock created Scorpion. He might want to make use of that investment. Also, Peter was forced to work with the first Six, and he was perfectly sane. The Scorpion is quite insane, and may have no real memory of Peter's life, just chunks.

Still it wouldn't make sense if Ock let Electro on the team, considering Electro recently attacked Ock.

Again I wouldn't mind if the whole team was made up of B-listers, who haven't gotten a focus arc yet. With Ock's wiliness to work for the government, other villains may not trust him. I think a new six team would need a lot fresh blood to be interesting. Plus they should have a leader who is low key, because not being low key is what got them defeated in the first place. Ock is kinda overexposed anyway. I would rather the Six not get overshadowed by Ock and the story become another Ock vs. Spidey story.

Chameleon being introduced and using his powers of disguise to gather: Electro, Sandman, Vulture (give him some balls), Rhino and Kraven. Their goal is gain control of the underworld and kill Spidey.

That would make them more off beat then in the last story.

[hunter_peterson]

I know it does'nt make sense.

They need a better motivation than "control the underworld". That's the motivation super-villains have before they get a real one.

[BeastieRunner]

I'd like a Crazy Ass B-Team Six:

Deadpool
Spot
Rhino
Shocker
Scorpion
Chameleon (Leader)Chameleon has the ability to absorb other's powers so this Six takes down a newly reformed but less powerful Six:

Electro
Vulture
Sandman
Kraven
Beetle
Doc Ock (Leader)Then we can get a Six vs. Six brawl with Spider-Man in the middle! :D

[The Master Meglomaniac]

I know it does'nt make sense.

They need a better motivation than "control the underworld". That's the motivation super-villains have before they get a real one.

Many super villains still retain that motive (Tombstone and Chameleon in the 80s and 90s both were trying to control the underworld as well). Besides most of the thug villains would get behind that instead some over the top plan to attack the white house.

The Six having a low key scheme makes more sense, plus they wouldn't like Ock at this point.

[Angelus II]

I'd like to see an Ulimate six with characters who were never or could never be memebers of the Sinister Six


Like a Ultimate Losers (The Legion of Losers).

[Evil-Spidey]

Shocker
Boomerang
Killer Shriek
Omega Red
Ringer
Rhino


I'll replace Omega Red with Spot.
Shocker
Boomerang
Killer Shriek
Spot
Ringer
Rhino

[hunter_peterson]

I didn't say the plan should be in-your-face, but I'm sure that they would need a better reason than that to team together. And wasn't Tombstone out to get Robbie at the Bugle, and then later join the Sinister 12 to get revenge on Spidey? And I know that Chameleon got a different motivation, too.

And I love this team:

Deadpool
Spot
Rhino
Shocker
Scorpion
Chameleon (Leader)

That was a great idea, BeastieRunner. I love ALL of those characters.

[BeastieRunner]

That was a great idea, BeastieRunner. I love ALL of those characters.

Thanks but I'd like to make a change:

Deadpool
Spot
Rhino
Shocker
Scorpion
Beetle (Leader)

That would be awesome/funny/crazy/stupid all rolled into one. Beetle could be trying to make them better at what they do and upgrade/train them. Perhaps the old Six would come back because we finally find out what Beetle wanted with all those samples in the video game.

[Angelus II]

Venom should be part of it for sure.

[hunter_peterson]

Yeah, probably better to stick to introduced characters.

[Ramirez IV]

'Since when is the Rhino a smart guy by the way? He hasn't even had dialogue.'

I think.... he was this tiny little guy in the big Rhino suit in the videogame. However, Symbiote War or whatever it's called may retcon this out of the ballpark. Not sure if he was a genius though. My vote:

Doc Ock
Electro
Scorpion
Spot
Rhino
Ultimate Mysterio (It has to happen. And not Ultimate Bruce Campbell)

Actually, Mysterio deserves his own arc first. Give the man some respect.

[togeteiku42]

'Since when is the Rhino a smart guy by the way? He hasn't even had dialogue.'

I think.... he was this tiny little guy in the big Rhino suit in the videogame. However, Symbiote War or whatever it's called may retcon this out of the ballpark. Not sure if he was a genius though. My vote:


I liked the idea of the Rhino just being what was pretty much a tank suit with just a little guy inside it. But I think you are right, and will probably be retconned out. If you look at recent pictures of him, the face looks like a real human face, and it moves and even drools. so that wouldn't work with the little man thing.


Actually, Mysterio deserves his own arc first. Give the man some respect.

If they are going to make Mysterio an actual villain, they should have the actor from the movie decide he wants to be a villain, for some reason i can't think of right now, and so he takes up his movie role as the part.

[desanth]

Bah, since you guys seem all primed up, I'm still against the idea of another Ultimate Six, but if anything:
Ultimate Six made out of all the Tinkerers thugs(the ones I can think of are Vulture, Omega Red, (maybe Rhino), pretty much anyone else that the Tinkerer geared up to get revenge on Roxxon industries(this would give them a common cause in a way)
Ultimate Six made out of Kingpin thugs(the trio[forgot their names], Elektra, etc)

Bah, the more I try to think of a reason for these guys to band together, the more I think it's silly.

[Shadow ES]

A band of Tinkerer thugs would be cool. Another of his creations showed up before Omega Red. I think it was...Gladiator? It started with a 'g'. He was tearing up a museum, I think.

[Evil-Spidey]

Yes his name is Gladiator but i think it was nowhere stated that he is one of Tinkerers thugs.

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