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Hawkman

03-13-2008, 12:27 AM

You know, I'm the type of comic book fan that believes if you don't like something, you should drop it. Don't complain with each issue's release; just be done with it.

That said, for the life of me, I can't figure out why I won't drop Countdown. It's probably because it's so close to the finish line that I figure, hey, something good has to happen soon, right?

In comparison to the previous issue, though, this one wasn't that bad. At least it felt like some progress was made, anyway. However, there were still frustrating lapses in judgment. Why, for example, didn't the Challengers stick around and try to explain to the League what was going on? They didn't seem like bad guys, after all. And how come Harley's "Puddin'" not knowing her was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back in determining it wasn't their Earth? Five pages earlier we were left to believe they had just been erased from everyone else's collective memories.

On another note, something I've noticed over the past few months: Beechen sure does love the ellipsis (...). That's not a critique, though, just a simple observation. Every book he writes seems to be laced with 'em.

wolverine316

03-13-2008, 08:46 AM

Countdown sucks ass. I will keep reading it because I feel there will be a great payoff in the end.

crimson red

03-13-2008, 08:53 AM

My money is on Superman-Boy Prime finding an acceptable Earth and making it in his image of his perfect Earth. Anybody else getting that vibe?

No I'm not getting that vibe because I have no idea what you're talking about. why does the thread title say SPOILERS? where are they?

Jack Zodiac

03-13-2008, 10:35 AM

Countdown sucks ass. I will keep reading it because I feel there will be a great payoff in the end.

Well, hey, good luck with that! ;)

So they wind up on Earth-1, the real Justice League thinks they're villains, they think they've been erased from everybody's memories (because that's the first, logical response I'd have after hopping around the multiverse), and hilarity ensues? Sounds amazing. So the Great Disaster's going to go down on an Earth that doesn't matter and everyone who bought Countdown for an entire year gets to feel shame and disappointment. Sweet.

dupersuper

03-13-2008, 12:01 PM

Kyle was carrying around a guy with a highly contageous lethal illness without power ringing up a containment sphere of some kind...WHY??? After Atom saying they could all be infected, they split off into different groups like they're TRYING to spread it faster...WHY??? :confused:

brundlefly

03-13-2008, 12:54 PM

That said, for the life of me, I can't figure out why I won't drop Countdown. It's probably because it's so close to the finish line that I figure, hey, something good has to happen soon, right?

I sympathize with your plight. I keep reminding myself, "It's almost over, it's almost over.."

Oh, Countdown, why can't I quit you?

Choppa

03-13-2008, 02:57 PM

I thought we weren't seeing Earth-1 until 2009?

LordEd1976

03-13-2008, 03:21 PM

I thought we weren't seeing Earth-1 until 2009?

So then maybe this isn't Earth-1

Rattlehead

03-13-2008, 03:27 PM

I thought we weren't seeing Earth-1 until 2009?

Nobody knows, especially not at DC. This new multiverse has become a mess rather quickly.

Orbitron

03-13-2008, 03:50 PM

Countdown has seemed forced from the beginning! It was just produced based on the success of the 52 weekly series. However, why did DC not understand that Beechen/Dini/Palmiotti/Gray does not equal Morrison/Waid/Johns? I'm only remotely interested because it will flow into Final Crisis, which will hopefully be better with Morrison on it. Although, a human-history spanning story for DCU would take more than 8 issues wouldn't you think?

Countdown has been bad pretty much throughout, but at least New Gods has been good and Arena was also cool, if not forced.

Smokeyjay

03-13-2008, 04:07 PM

I'm actually picking up the last 10 issues of Countdown, because I was expecting some huge payoff.

But all they have been doing is standing around talking in circles.

It feels like DC has given up on Countdown and are looking past it by setting it up for some next major event.

And the art is terrible.

JCAll

03-13-2008, 04:33 PM

Oh, Countdown, why can't I quit you?

I blame Keith Giffen.
Seriously, hear me out.

We know Countdown sucks, EVERYONE knows Countdown sucks, but we keep reading it anyway. And yet when the time comes to list off all the god awful things that make Countdown a turd, NOBODY says Keith Giffen.

I think he's some type of high power telepath, forcing us to keep reading yet erasing his own involvement from our minds.

JCAll

03-13-2008, 04:40 PM

Also, in the spot where they preview next week's cover, didn't they recyclt a cover from a couple weeks ago that they decided no to even use?

Contrats Countdown, not only do you suck so bad that you're getting retconned out of existence before you even finish, but you're giving me @#$%ing Deja-Vu!

Ha1fdime

03-13-2008, 05:13 PM

Phoney Bone

03-13-2008, 06:09 PM

I blame Keith Giffen.
Seriously, hear me out.

We know Countdown sucks, EVERYONE knows Countdown sucks, but we keep reading it anyway. And yet when the time comes to list off all the god awful things that make Countdown a turd, NOBODY says Keith Giffen.

I think he's some type of high power telepath, forcing us to keep reading yet erasing his own involvement from our minds.

Right on!

It's the same telepathy he uses to convince everyone that Dan DiDio is soley responsible for destroying "The Giffen League" and ignore just how much Giffen, Morrison and Johns (everybody's Golden Boys) have been responsible for what has happened to the JLI characters over the last few years.

His telepathy also keeps people who don't like it thumbing through it in the stores.... and keeps people who don't even do that much commenting on it.

Giffen is an evil GENIUS!!!

I still like Countdown, though. It's better than 80% of the trash from DC and 99% of the trash from Marvel.

Jack Zodiac

03-13-2008, 06:23 PM

I still like Countdown, though. It's better than 80% of the trash from DC and 99% of the trash from Marvel.

If you don't mind, I'd like to nominate this for the 2008 International Hyperbole Awards. I think that'd sound just as crazy in any language. ;)

Phoney Bone

03-13-2008, 06:33 PM

If you don't mind, I'd like to nominate this for the 2008 International Hyperbole Awards. I think that'd sound just as crazy in any language. ;)

Hush, you!

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Jack Zodiac

03-13-2008, 06:38 PM

Hey, man. Devil Dinosaur and Moon Boy are pure badass. Don't beat yourself up for having a momentary lapse in good taste. :p

Phoney Bone

03-13-2008, 06:50 PM

"Momentary lapse"?

You should see my Sonic Disruptors, Secret Wars II, Savage She-Hulk (first series)and Thriller runs.

(EVERY ISSUE... Yeah, Me!)

NMoline

03-13-2008, 07:34 PM

Well, hey, good luck with that! ;)

So the Great Disaster's going to go down on an Earth that doesn't matter and everyone who bought Countdown for an entire year gets to feel shame and disappointment. Sweet.

I have yet to see how I would feel shame and disappointment if this did happen? There could still be a really good story there. However, it is also not settled that the great disaster will go down on Earth-1; I prefer to wait and see what the great disaster actually is and where it really will go down.

Jack Zodiac

03-13-2008, 08:36 PM

Well, if you aren't ashamed of Countdown yet, you probably never will be.

JCAll

03-13-2008, 09:12 PM

Right on!

It's the same telepathy he uses to convince everyone that Dan DiDio is soley responsible for destroying "The Giffen League" and ignore just how much Giffen, Morrison and Johns (everybody's Golden Boys) have been responsible for what has happened to the JLI characters over the last few years.

His telepathy also keeps people who don't like it thumbing through it in the stores.... and keeps people who don't even do that much commenting on it.

Giffen is an evil GENIUS!!!

I still like Countdown, though. It's better than 80% of the trash from DC and 99% of the trash from Marvel.

Oh my god! I just figured it out!

It WASN'T Maxwell Lord mind screwing people in Infinite Crisis. It was Keith Giffen all along!
Why Keith? Why sacrifice Max Lord (And Blue Beetle) to further your own evil goals!?

drwho

03-13-2008, 09:30 PM

So what does everyone think will be the final conclusion to countdown?

Flamebird

03-13-2008, 11:37 PM

So what does everyone think will be the final conclusion to countdown?

Wait, you mean you think that there will actually BE a conclusion?

BWHAAHWAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! ;)

This is the NEW DC, where stories never end; they just fade away, if we're lucky.

Buried Alien

03-14-2008, 12:53 AM

the superman in the beginning obviously wasn't new earth supes. i am betting it is prime impersonating him. just look at how angry he looks when we see him. this has got to be a new earth the challengers haven't been to yet and atom just miscalculated their departure.

At first, I thought this might be our first glimpse of the new Earth-1, but Didio has said that Earth-1 wouldn't be showing up until 2009, after FINAL CRISIS had wrapped up.

Besides, if Earth-1 is what I *think* it is, then the Earth we saw in COUNTDOWN TO FINAL CRISIS # 7 totally has the wrong vibe.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

the4thpip

03-14-2008, 04:17 AM

At least they brought back fan favorites, the Hairies.

worstblogever

03-14-2008, 07:00 AM

At least they brought back fan favorites, the Hairies.

A few issues back, actually.

And... have they even done anything yet? Other than follow behind Jimmy Olsen like a bunch of mooks?

Captain Smith

03-14-2008, 10:19 AM

I dropped the whole deal. My view - if they come up with another Earth (1) which is the real deal and makes the current crew irrelevant - who gives a crap.

The multiple Earths, killing over some of the good Elsewhere characters, the stupid Arena plot - just a marking ploy.

MWGallaher

03-14-2008, 11:42 AM

A few issues back, actually.

And... have they even done anything yet? Other than follow behind Jimmy Olsen like a bunch of mooks?

I assume they took Jimmy to Apokolips...not that I recall the Hairies even knowing about the existence of the planet, much less having teleportation technology. Maybe they swiped it from this issue's JLA? Obviously the security on their tech isn't all that tight if an "enemy" can activate it--without, apparently, actually touching any controls--to transport himself and all his cohorts (without also transporting the JLA!) to a random location.

JCAll

03-14-2008, 05:05 PM

I assume they took Jimmy to Apokolips...not that I recall the Hairies even knowing about the existence of the planet, much less having teleportation technology. Maybe they swiped it from this issue's JLA? Obviously the security on their tech isn't all that tight if an "enemy" can activate it--without, apparently, actually touching any controls--to transport himself and all his cohorts (without also transporting the JLA!) to a random location.

Jimmy has the combined power of all the dead New Gods right now.
So far he only uses it to think up Boomtubes when he needs them.

Choppa

03-14-2008, 06:08 PM

Nobody knows, especially not at DC. This new multiverse has become a mess rather quickly.

But iirc it was Didio himself who said that. Either him or Johns, I can't remember.

Paul Newell

03-14-2008, 06:51 PM

Who said they were on Earth 1? Going from the fact that the JLA's HQ is similar to the New Earth HQ, then this world could be almost, but not quite the same as New Earth and accomodate the changes mentioned.

There was a Blue Beetle in Countdown: Arena who was similar to, but not quite the same as the current Blue Beetle...Perhaps this is that Earth? 39 I think it was.

JCAll

03-14-2008, 07:53 PM

Who said they were on Earth 1? Going from the fact that the JLA's HQ is similar to the New Earth HQ, then this world could be almost, but not quite the same as New Earth and accomodate the changes mentioned.

On that note, when the hell DID they decide to rebuild the Hall of Justice?
I thought DC liked distancing itself from Superfriends as much as possible.

Paul Newell

03-14-2008, 08:13 PM

On that note, when the hell DID they decide to rebuild the Hall of Justice?
I thought DC liked distancing itself from Superfriends as much as possible.
They did it recently, during Meltzer's run...Issue #6 or 7.

the4thpip

03-15-2008, 02:51 AM

On that note, when the hell DID they decide to rebuild the Hall of Justice?
I thought DC liked distancing itself from Superfriends as much as possible.

That hasn't been the case for a few years now. Alex Ross' "Justice" series was an attempt at a "serious" Super Friends story. There was Giffen/deMatteis' "Super Buddies" story and currently there is a Johnny DC Super Friends title back on the stands.

Rio_de_Janeiro

03-15-2008, 10:22 AM

so why has everyone ignored Zan and Jayna so much? They are already in the DCU proper...since Extreme Justice, if I recall properly...and their origin story was quite ok (and even let the door open for a legion of superheroes root there...)..they also showed up in one of the incarnations of the titans, albeit in one of those panels where everyone, including the kitchen sink was present.

i'd love to see them in action again, especially because gleek is nowhere to be seen. i even remember falling completely for the wizard april fool's which stated alex ross was writing "form of water" as one of those DC issues he did.

cheers,
rio

JCAll

03-15-2008, 08:06 PM

That hasn't been the case for a few years now. Alex Ross' "Justice" series was an attempt at a "serious" Super Friends story. There was Giffen/deMatteis' "Super Buddies" story and currently there is a Johnny DC Super Friends title back on the stands.

I think the whole Super Buddies thing is a JLI thing, not that that's bad, but dang I'm way behind on my Superfriends knowledge.

the4thpip

03-16-2008, 05:20 AM

botch

03-16-2008, 08:10 AM

Well, hey, good luck with that! ;)

So they wind up on Earth-1, the real Justice League thinks they're villains, they think they've been erased from everybody's memories (because that's the first, logical response I'd have after hopping around the multiverse), and hilarity ensues? Sounds amazing. So the Great Disaster's going to go down on an Earth that doesn't matter and everyone who bought Countdown for an entire year gets to feel shame and disappointment. Sweet.

But you don't even read the comics.

"So the Great Disaster's going to go down on an Earth that doesn't matter and everyone who bought Countdown for an entire year gets to feel shame and disappointment. "

you sound like that ranting guy no one likes on aintitcool that dude industrykiller. always complaining about movies he hasn't watched.

botch

03-16-2008, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Phoney Bone
I still like Countdown, though. It's better than 80% of the trash from DC and 99% of the trash from Marvel.

Now this is quote of the year.

Countdown is better than Immortal Iron Fist, Captain America, Daredevil, Ultimate Spider-Man. Amazing.

botch

03-16-2008, 08:17 AM

That hasn't been the case for a few years now. Alex Ross' "Justice" series was an attempt at a "serious" Super Friends story. There was Giffen/deMatteis' "Super Buddies" story and currently there is a Johnny DC Super Friends title back on the stands.

This is the reason why Marvel will always be more popular than DC. They will never get it will they?

Jack Zodiac

03-16-2008, 10:52 AM

But you don't even read the comics.

"So the Great Disaster's going to go down on an Earth that doesn't matter and everyone who bought Countdown for an entire year gets to feel shame and disappointment. "

you sound like that ranting guy no one likes on aintitcool that dude industrykiller. always complaining about movies he hasn't watched.

Do I need to read !@#$ to know it's !@#$? Just scanning it in the store I can tell how godawful it is, and then hearing all these poor suckers complaining each week that their book is horrible pretty much justifies it. I don't need to see "The Simple Life" or "The Hills" for myself to know they're !@#$in' crap. And yet people watch it like they're getting paid to.

Countdown is the reality TV show of comics. Everyone knows it sucks, but they just keep readin' it.

Black Manta

03-16-2008, 11:04 AM

Does anyone remember the resound Earth Prime didn't have any heroes? The was a character named Ultraa who was our version of Superman. He decided that becoming a superhero would cause too much destruction and left Earth Prime. So Earth Prime already had a Superman.

Why bring this up? I'm hoping Ultraa comes out of nowhere and takes out Prime.

the4thpip

03-16-2008, 03:38 PM

This is the reason why Marvel will always be more popular than DC. They will never get it will they?

I have no idea what that has to do with Marvel or DC? I could force you to read Araña, you know.

matt_hatyber

03-16-2008, 04:18 PM

Well, hey, good luck with that! ;)

So they wind up on Earth-1, the real Justice League thinks they're villains, they think they've been erased from everybody's memories (because that's the first, logical response I'd have after hopping around the multiverse), and hilarity ensues? Sounds amazing. So the Great Disaster's going to go down on an Earth that doesn't matter and everyone who bought Countdown for an entire year gets to feel shame and disappointment. Sweet.

ok well from the looks of it, the great disaster will probally multi-verse threat level, and not just earth threat level.

botch

03-16-2008, 10:16 PM

I have no idea what that has to do with Marvel or DC? I could force you to read Araña, you know.

I meant it in the sense that Superfriends is cheesy and no one but a few people like the Silver Age JLA. But DC continue to retread it's steps. instead they should reinvent their characters like Marvel has done with Captain America, Iron Fist and Daredevil.

JCAll

03-16-2008, 10:30 PM

This is the reason why Marvel will always be more popular than DC. They will never get it will they?

Marvel's only more popular because of Howard the Duck :p

Or course, he doesn't actually have a book right now, but he's still the Man!
...er, Duck.

the4thpip

03-17-2008, 04:27 AM

I meant it in the sense that Superfriends is cheesy and no one but a few people like the Silver Age JLA. But DC continue to retread it's steps. instead they should reinvent their characters like Marvel has done with Captain America, Iron Fist and Daredevil.

But Justice was a huge hit for them.
And Marvel is currently retreading 70s and 80s plots from a cartoon-based series (Rom) with Secret Invasion.

And what Marvel is currently doing with Cap, Iron Fist and Daredevil is pretty much what DC did in the 90s with Azbats, Reign of the Supermen and Kyle Rayner.

botch

03-17-2008, 06:41 AM

And what Marvel is currently doing with Cap, Iron Fist and Daredevil is pretty much what DC did in the 90s with Azbats, Reign of the Supermen and Kyle Rayner.

You did not just say that. delete this post before it becomes someones signature on newsarama. Or mine.

carabas

03-17-2008, 09:24 AM

And what Marvel is currently doing with Cap, Iron Fist and Daredevil is pretty much what DC did in the 90s with Azbats, Reign of the Supermen and Kyle Rayner.Did the old Daredevil turn evil and was he replaced by some kid? Seems like something I'd have noticed.

The deah of Cap is a good story. The death aof Superman was, at best, a bad gimmick. Knightfall was okay, but I don't see how a massive, overhyped Batman epos can in any way be compared to an Iron Fist book.