New Characters

[hunter_peterson]

You never see threads for original characters on this board, so here's one.

List original characters that you think would work well in the Ultimate Universe.

[Radioactive Zombie]

Like, not from 616?

In that case, a new enemy that isn't a total cliche or a mangling of an already popular hero.

[Will.S]

Aside from Geldoff has there been any new noteworthy characters in the Ultimate Universe? I think they've spent too much time re-creating characters in different ways and really squandered creating some brand new ones.

[Young Avenger]

What was the name of the Mary Sue Kirkman created when he start his X-Men run? He was new.

[Netley]

Kenny from USM is original, right? Or is he based in someone from old school 616? Either way, he's been there from the beginning, and he's turning out to be a really interesting character.

That Magician guy Kirkman created early in his Ultimate X-Men run who had reality warp powers or whatnot was pretty cool.

Geldof seemed like Bendis lost a bet and had to create Geldof (whatever that means).

As far as not-yet-created original characters for the Ult U, I think they should do something cosmic! Not like a Thanos thing or anything like that (though I would be down for an Ult Infinity Gaulntlet! But that's a whole other rant haha) I'm talking about something on that big time/space/sci-fi/planetary-ish/alan-moore-ish/metaphysical level while it's still such a new universe.

...Though after reading that back maybe that wouldn't be the right thing for the Ult U haha

[desanth]

Hmm, well
UXM: Magician
USM: Geldoff, Kenny(aka Kong)
UFF: none
Ultimates: not sure but Hurricane, Cap Middle East(I think he's supposed to be wonderman ultimization with the W on his costume, but who knows) and the multiplying man(he's a James Maddox knockoff, used genes from a mutie to get his powers or something)

The problem with making original characters is that there still aren't 616 characters introduced that already have a fanbase. Why go with a new guy when you got a real popular 616 you still haven't Ultimized? Bendiis has created a solution to this and thrown a whole bunch of 616 Ultimizations as throwaways like Vulture, Omega Red, Rhino, etc while making it part of a subplot(which was the Tinkerer).

I wouldn't mind UFF having some original villain/characters, especially since I don't really know any 616 FF villains but so far I haven't been interested in any characters shown since Ultimate Namor. The Ultimates have enough 616 threats to Ultimize and any knew type of threat would be considered a knockoff of something(how else do you get an Ultimate size threat?)

[togeteiku42]

don't forget Hawk-owl and Woody

[DrBentonQuest]

I'm pretty sure you'll find Hawk-Owl is the Ultimate version of Nite-Owl from the Watchmen.

[hunter_peterson]

Um... not to harp, but you kinda missed the point. Like, make Up new characters, not list the current ones. Anyway, most of those have counterparts. And before you say Kong; he's totally Ultimate Bendis.:D

[ThePhenom]

I'm pretty sure you'll find Hawk-Owl is the Ultimate version of Nite-Owl from the Watchmen.

I think that's a bit rigid, there are so very many characters you could compare him to other than Nite-Owl.

[hunter_peterson]

Hawk-Owl=Ultimate Batman. That was the whole idea.

[Evil-Spidey]

I think Bendis could and will create new villains for USM. Geldoff was not really a villain more like a lost disorientated guy who was in need for someone who told him what's the right thing to do.

[ULTIMATE VENOM]

The problem with trying to create new characters is that there are so many good ones. it's hard to top the ones already existing.

[carabas]

The real problem with creating new characters is that it has been proven time and again that comicsfans really couldn't care less about new characters, and will actively avoid books that feature new characters.

[Evil-Spidey]

Yeah when was the last time new heroes or villains had any success? Most of the new 616 characters only last as long as the writers who created them.

[DeREk FrEEsT]

Yeah when was the last time new heroes or villains had any success? Most of the new 616 characters only last as long as the writers who created them.

Well Gravity was considered cool and if I'm correct wasn't there syndicate in Vaughn's run?


The main problem for creating characters isn't that no body else wants to use them. It's more of the situation well this guy created the character and where do I have the right to mess around with him if I don't ask permission.

See if writers would just ask the original creator for permission than you'd get to see more of the new characters. Bendis did it for Vaughn's hood and so did the guy on intiative for Ant-man.

Also the last big issue on creating new characters is you have a whole universe of so many characters that haven't gotten used at all. I like the idea of having new characters but giving them old names or vice versa for throwbacks to the fans.

[carabas]

Well Gravity was considered cool and if I'm correct wasn't there syndicate in Vaughn's run?New characters are created all the time. New successful characters, not so much.
At least, I don't see any Gravity ongoing books in the top 10. Or top 100 for that matter.

The last really succesfull character dates back to 1971 or thereabout: Wolverine.

[Evil-Spidey]

Well Gravity was considered cool and if I'm correct wasn't there syndicate in Vaughn's run?

Gravity is cool and i like him but that doesn't mean he's a successfull new character. Comic limbo is already welcoming him again. Even the Sentry had more success but he's already 8 years old.



The most really succesfull character dates back to 1971 or thereabout: Wolverine.
Yeah ok but i would count some of the charcters that had semi long ongoings or started appearing regulary after their introdution.

It's kinda sad that most of the characters that can hold their own ongoings are characters who were created in the 60s.

Captain America
Spider-Man
Hulk
Thor
Iron Man
Daredevil
Wolverine

These 7 seem to be the only solo heroes that seem to be able to hold their own titles. Reboots don't count because it's still the same the same ongoing just with a new #1. Everyone else just seems to be able to have their regular team book stays.

[hunter_peterson]

Didn't Gravity get killed in the Beyond mini?

Such a waste.

[Evil-Spidey]

Yes but i think he came back in some recent Fantastic Four issues.