Ultimate Characters that need their backstories or motive expanded

[The Master Meglomaniac]

What Ultimate characters need their backstories or motive expanded. It seems to me a lot of villains in the UU are merely evil for evil's sake, many of them don't have motives and ones who do often have have very shallow motives. Why is Electro a criminal? Why did the Vulture become a rogue agent? Why doesn't any Ultimate villain have a tragic background?

[Angelus II]

Ultimate Spider-Woman
Ultimate Morbius
Ultimate Sandman
Ultimate Deadpool
Ultimate Kraven

[scouse mouse]

How, when and why did Ultimate Elektra turn into an assassin?

[ThePhenom]

How, when and why did Ultimate Elektra turn into an assassin?

She had to do it to save her family's business, during her college years I believe.

It was all in Ultimate Elektra and Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra...

[Desmodus]

Ultimate Daredevil.

It's a shame that he is only seen as a supporting character to Ultimate Elektra.

[Shadow ES]

All the villains in USM who just showed up, go beat, and disappeared.

[kel25]

Ultimate Spider-Woman
Ultimate Morbius
Ultimate Sandman
Ultimate Deadpool
Ultimate Kraven

Spider-Women: She is a clone of Spider-Man who has all of his memories. I'm sure her reason is the same "with great responsibility.." reason as Spider-Mans. She doesn't have much of a background because she is only around a year old at the most. Most of that time was spent in a lab.

Morbius: Seems like he is the son of Dracula that hunts other vampires. Seriously how many times has this plot been done?! I can name two other similar characters off the top of my head; Vampire Hunter D and Alucard. Here is to hoping we never see him, Blade, or any more supernatural stuff in the Ultimate Universe.

Sandman: We know he was a criminal so greed is probably his motive but little else is known. He is the only one on this list that could use more background.

Deadpool: He is a racist plain and simple. A majority of the Deadpool issue is him talking about his team and how they are all racist and modified themselves to fight mutants.

Kraven: His motivation is revenge. He was looking for a shot at higher ratings by hunting Spider-Man but was made a fool of. He genetically enhanced his abilities so he could fight him but Nick Fury put a stopped him. This made Kraven want revenge against Spider-Man even more.

[DeREk FrEEsT]

I want to see more history on:

Forge- He seems racist to Humans deadpool is to mutants. I'd love for the writers to create a foundation of how he became so pissed off at the world.

Tinkerer - I'd like to see him working for Tony Starks and see what those 2 could get done together. Also he seems like someone who probably end up being a House or George Mason type of character.

Son of Satan- He seems like someone that could build up a big fanbase if they have him earn his powers.

Venom ( I think he has much more potential to become a VERY BADASS threat to all). I could see him becoming the Stephen Saunders of the Marvel universe with his knowledge in Bio-Chemistry or was it biology?

Sabertooth- I love the military change and the fact he loves everything else on the planet besides humans. Kind of reminds me a little of Sensui from Yu Yu hakusho. He also seems way more smarter and anlytical about the issues on his life.



Geldolff- I think he could turn into a very anti government leader if handled right.

[Angelus II]

I want to see more history on:

Forge- He seems racist to Humans deadpool is to mutants. I'd love for the writers to create a foundation of how he became so pissed off at the world.

Tinkerer - I'd like to see him working for Tony Starks and see what those 2 could get done together. Also he seems like someone who probably end up being a House or George Mason type of character.

Son of Satan- He seems like someone that could build up a big fanbase if they have him earn his powers.

Venom ( I think he has much more potential to become a VERY BADASS threat to all). I could see him becoming the Stephen Saunders of the Marvel universe with his knowledge in Bio-Chemistry or was it biology?

Sabertooth- I love the military change and the fact he loves everything else on the planet besides humans. Kind of reminds me a little of Sensui from Yu Yu hakusho. He also seems way more smarter and anlytical about the issues on his life.



Geldolff- I think he could turn into a very anti government leader if handled right.

Yeah, we need more about Ultimate Venom. Can't wait untill the next arc.

[Angelus II]

This thread is for expanded backstories.

Spider-Women: She is a clone of Spider-Man who has all of his memories. I'm sure her reason is the same "with great responsibility.." reason as Spider-Mans. She doesn't have much of a background because she is only around a year old at the most. Most of that time was spent in a lab. We didn't get a good backstory like the clone version of Peter's father. When exact did they create Spider-Woman.

Morbius: Seems like he is the son of Dracula that hunts other vampires. Seriously how many times has this plot been done?! I can name two other similar characters off the top of my head; Vampire Hunter D and Alucard. Here is to hoping we never see him, Blade, or any more supernatural stuff in the Ultimate Universe. Why is he killing vampires?, where Dracul, his father?, Why is he in New York and not Romania?

Sandman: We know he was a criminal so greed is probably his motive but little else is known. He is the only one on this list that could use more background.We don't know what kind of criminal he was, and how it come to be that he became an experiment.

Deadpool: He is a racist plain and simple. A majority of the Deadpool issue is him talking about his team and how they are all racist and modified themselves to fight mutants.There should be more about this guy, not every racist have a costume. What the deal with the costume?

Kraven: His motivation is revenge. He was looking for a shot at higher ratings by hunting Spider-Man but was made a fool of. He genetically enhanced his abilities so he could fight him but Nick Fury put a stopped him. This made Kraven want revenge against Spider-Man even more.

That was during the story, we only got, like, one panel of his in Africa. That's what he was before he was hunting Spider-Man, a guy who hunt wild animals. It wouldn't hurt to add some more that into Kraven profile.

[desanth]

For those guys you want more backstory on people from USM seems like you just want to beat a dead horse with a stick even more. The explanations don't need to be elaborated, they are fine imo, elaborating seems unnecessary at this point, maybe ten years down the line when they run out of good story ideas.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

For those guys you want more backstory on people from USM seems like you just want to beat a dead horse with a stick even more. The explanations don't need to be elaborated, they are fine imo, elaborating seems unnecessary at this point, maybe ten years down the line when they run out of good story ideas.

Not really, besides the same over exposed villains: Ock, Gobby, Venom and kingpin, are any of the USM villains any remotely interesting?

616 Electro, Vulture, Sandman, Scorpion are far more interesting than their Ultimate counterparts and the joke with ultimate shocker has worn really thin. Why not give Ultimate Sandman his own arc, it would be better than the same four villains over and over again.

[hunter_peterson]

Actually, Venom only appeared in one arc, and every time Bendis has used the big super villains it was superb. He has a strong grasp on their character, and continues to keep them interesting. Also he is starting to flesh out the more minor villains post Death of the Goblin. Hell, the upcoming issue where Peter gets defeated and kidnapped appears to be a Shocker story.

But anyway, I want more Scorpion, Spider-Woman, Shocker, Sandman, Electro and Vulture.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Actually, Venom only appeared in one arc, and every time Bendis has used the big super villains it was superb. He has a strong grasp on their character, and continues to keep them interesting. Also he is starting to flesh out the more minor villains post Death of the Goblin. Hell, the upcoming issue where Peter gets defeated and kidnapped appears to be a Shocker story.

But anyway, I want more Scorpion, Spider-Woman, Shocker, Sandman, Electro and Vulture.

Venom appeared in one arc, but he still got way more face time then Sandman has. Plus symbiote villains overall have had way more arcs than any B-list villain, why should Carnage get an arc before Sandman?! Ultimate Carnage sucks as much as his 616 counter part.

Yes bendis has made some good use of the big villains, but these villains were already well used in the 616 universe, why not take someone who hasn't been well used in the 616 universe and use him well, instead of relying on the same overexposed villains all the time.

Plus there have been mis-steps, like Magneto-Ock.

Also, we don't know that is Shocker per say, so its too say to it is.

Plus we seen the minor villains used well yet. Magneto is the villain of this arc and there is an upcoming war of the symbiotes arc coming up, so the b-listers aren't getting as much focus as they should and Bendis has made terrible use of them in the past:

Ultimate scorpion and Vulture are total throwaway characters. Scorpion could have easily held his own arc, instead he is a bit player in the clone saga and an Kaine knock off. Vulture has been defeated by Cap off panel. Can you name one B-list villain that actually is fleshed out at this point?

[hunter_peterson]

Um, not to be rude but...
WHAT? You have not made good points at all, and please read and fully absorb my retort:

1) Niether Venom or Carnage are symbiotic. And the Ultimate versions of both of these characters are both better and completely different from their 616 counterparts, and such a comparison is unfair. Venom is a childhood friend of Peter who feels betrayed and is empowered by the cure for cancer, and Carnage is a prototype for extra-uterine cloning developed from Peter's DNA. Both are extremely personal foes of Peter.

2) Sandman and Electro are not minor villains, both were members of the Ultimate Six, the stongest members in fact, let down by their being simple thugs. They also have a common origin and a newly-developed hatred of Spider-man. They also know who he really is. They are obviously being set up for future use. Both have flesed out characters and origins, but they do deserve more usage. Sandman in particular. And with the War of the Symbiotes arc adapting the game, Sandman may be set to make a return. (hopefully we get Ultimate Beetle too, ;))

3) The Green Goblin was quite different than the 616 Goblin, as was the Hobgoblin. The alteration of Doc Ock's powers was to further distinguish him from his 616 counterpart, and is not such a bad idea as you make it out to be. And he does not control magentism, he controls metal. And the Kingpin has been used very much better than he has recently in the 616. The use of these characters is high-quality, just because they have been used before frequently does not make them over exposed.

4) There are a number of one-shots coming up to flesh out previously shown villains, such as Omega Red. And while Vulture was not fleshed out at all, hopefully he will recieve this treatment in the future. As an ex-SHIELD operative it would be interesting to see what made him get fired, as it is supposed to be a life-long contract.

5) Scorpion is most definately not a throw-away character. He has an interesting origin, and is capable of greatly upsetting Peter's life. And he is not a Kaine knock off, they have an Ultimate Kaine.

6) While little evidence exists for Shocker starring in that one-shot, logically he would be the best choice. The only other character that has been seriously suggested was Deadpool, but he is on Krakoa or thereabouts, while Shocker is close by, has been defeated many times, and is probably fed up. As such he could go after Spider-man and catch him off guard, not expecting such a loser to defeat him. And his Immomen costume matches the hand and weapon on the cover.

7) And as for other origins, remember that Bendis is writing Ultimate Origins, which may flesh some of these out. I do remember that he said Norman Osborn would appear pre-goblin era. The same could go for others.

And that is my rebuttal. :D

[Nyssane]

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[The Master Meglomaniac]

Um, not to be rude but...
WHAT? You have not made good points at all, and please read and fully absorb my retort:

Says you.


1) Niether Venom or Carnage are symbiotic. And the Ultimate versions of both of these characters are both better and completely different from their 616 counterparts, and such a comparison is unfair. Venom is a childhood friend of Peter who feels betrayed and is empowered by the cure for cancer, and Carnage is a prototype for extra-uterine cloning developed from Peter's DNA. Both are extremely personal foes of Peter.

They are based of the 616 symbiotes and are able to bond with others, they are symbiotes and even bendis has referred to therm as such. Ultimate carnage is more of a plot device then a character.


2) Sandman and Electro are not minor villains, both were members of the Ultimate Six, the stongest members in fact, let down by their being simple thugs. They also have a common origin and a newly-developed hatred of Spider-man. They also know who he really is. They are obviously being set up for future use. Both have flesed out characters and origins, but they do deserve more usage. Sandman in particular. And with the War of the Symbiotes arc adapting the game, Sandman may be set to make a return. (hopefully we get Ultimate Beetle too, ;))

How do they have fleshed out origins? Why did they let hammer turn them into freaks in the first place? Did they volunteer or was it agaisnt their will?

Do they have any personality beyond being stupid thugs? The 616 versions of these caracters are far better, they do things other than minion work once and a while. 616 Electro has a self esteem problem and once tried to kill himself, Sadman's failed attempts at reforming, those are way better character moments than anything Ultimate Electro or Snadman have done.



3) The Green Goblin was quite different than the 616 Goblin, as was the Hobgoblin. The alteration of Doc Ock's powers was to further distinguish him from his 616 counterpart, and is not such a bad idea as you make it out to be. And he does not control magentism, he controls metal. And the Kingpin has been used very much better than he has recently in the 616. The use of these characters is high-quality, just because they have been used before frequently does not make them over exposed.;))

First of all I don't like hulk goblin, a guy in a costume is way more realistic then a guy who turns into a mosnter.

second can you really ssay these characters are improvements over their 616 counterparts? Their 616 counterparts were already good villains and their Ultimate counter parts are not superior or even that much different in terms of personality.

Ock controlling metal is still stupid, its a pointless power that addes nothing the character, Ock shouldn't have powers besides his arms. He is supposed to be a genius who relies only on his arms and his mind, giving him other powers takes away from the spirit of the character.

Also are you saying kingpin has been misused during the latest DD run, which bendis also wrote?



4) There are a number of one-shots coming up to flesh out previously shown villains, such as Omega Red. And while Vulture was not fleshed out at all, hopefully he will recieve this treatment in the future. As an ex-SHIELD operative it would be interesting to see what made him get fired, as it is supposed to be a life-long contract.

Vulture recently got beaten by Cap off panel, how is that interesting or threatening? He is still a waste and bendis has done a lot of damage to him.


5) Scorpion is most definately not a throw-away character. He has an interesting origin, and is capable of greatly upsetting Peter's life. And he is not a Kaine knock off, they have an Ultimate Kaine..

Yeah and that's the difference between Kaine and scorpion, they are both Parker clones that are confused and messed up because the cloning process. Boring.

Mac Gargan is a billion times more interesting than that. Scorpion should be the ultimate anti Spider-man weapon, making him a clone addes nothing to the caracter.

That just makes an extension of Parker, an angle kaine already covers, Scorpion should be his own character.


6) While little evidence exists for Shocker starring in that one-shot, logically he would be the best choice. The only other character that has been seriously suggested was Deadpool, but he is on Krakoa or thereabouts, while Shocker is close by, has been defeated many times, and is probably fed up. As such he could go after Spider-man and catch him off guard, not expecting such a loser to defeat him. And his Immomen costume matches the hand and weapon on the cover...

It could be trapster for all you know.


7) And as for other origins, remember that Bendis is writing Ultimate Origins, which may flesh some of these out. I do remember that he said Norman Osborn would appear pre-goblin era. The same could go for others....

That's just baseless speculation.


And that is my rebuttal. :D

Good for you.

[hunter_peterson]

Okay.. here we go again. Sheeh.

1) This Venom is not a living creature, just a clump of cells. It is parasitic, feeding off it's host while giving only temporary benefit. And Eddie may have actually been absobed into the Suit, after all, he has melted more than once.

Carnage is an individual organism, not taking hosts. It has never taken a host, it has just fed on people. Carnage is a character first distinguised by memories of Peter's and Connor's lives, and is now distinguished by having the memories of Gwen and the trauma of discovering that she is a monster.

And Bendis refers to them as symbiotes because of the 616 versions and for ease of refferal.

2) Sandman most definately did not volunteer, he was illegaly bought from a prison. Electro probably recieved similar treatment, due to being sold to the Kingpin. As they were treated as property, their consent in experimentation would be unnessecary. As for why turn two criminals into superhumans, he needed test subjects. Thats it. Any psychological issues need not be present when one gains power. They could manifest later, and in reference to Sandman having trouble reforming, who cares? They are unrepetant criminals, and both have their own voice as characters. Thats enough.

3) I don't read Daredevil, but I know he has been used well there. I was reffering to the terrible usage in Back in Black.

And I have always wondered how one constructs a Goblin suit, a glider and an nigh-unlimited supply of pumpkin shaped bombs without the government catching on and taking you down, let alone how such a complete and tidy picture wanders into the head of someone who is criminally insane. An actual transformation solves all of these problems. Not to say that the 616 Green Goblin isn't awsome, though.

Doc Ock still relies on his arms as he has no really experience at using metal like Magneto. And I think it has something to do with him being allowed to always have arms, giving him more versatility. And his personality would make him lean more toward using his brain anyway.

4) I never said anything about his encouter with Cap, but it should be remembered that Ultimate Cap is far more capable than 616 Cap (debatably). What I said was interesting was that he somehow managed to get kicked out of SHEILD, which was stated by Fury as being a difficult task. And he needs at least a one-shot to flesh him out. Until then you should try to be more open, once the character is 3-D it is more easy to condemn.

5) Kaine and Scorpion are very different. Kaine remembers his life as Peter, but is horribly scarred, causing him to misunderstand how he can exist. He may have been slightly brain-damaged, causing his insanity and MJ obsession. But Scorpion has so far only spoken in quotes from past issues, and appears to have few (if any) memories of Peter's life. He is essentially a blank slate, ready to be written by his experiences with people.

6) As you said of my Origins segment, that is baseless speculation. The idea of these one-shots is to flesh out the more minor characters anyway, so a new character would defeat that purpose.

7) And as for this last section, while it is speculation, it is far from baseless. The series is all about the Super-Soldier project and it's ties to the rest of the Ultimate universe. As such these people that are connected to it are likely to be expanded upon.

And as for your comments on my unnumbered segments, they seem fully designed to brow-beat me and try to make me feel stupid. That is a rather childish thing to do. Also, responding to 4), 6) and 7) as you did was not well thought out, you just seem to want to respond to each segment as though you had a real opinion on each one. It was clear you did not.

And to the post above the one posted by this infant, I'm also curious about the Serpent Squard. I want to se them appear in Ultimate Fantastic Four.

[carabas]

Do they have any personality beyond being stupid thugs? The 616 versions of these caracters are far better, they do things other than minion work once and a while. 616 Electro has a self esteem problem and once tried to kill himself, Sadman's failed attempts at reforming, those are way better character moments than anything Ultimate Electro or Snadman have done.616 Electro and Sandman have had dozens of stories over literally decades. Ultimate Sandman has had one, Electro has had two. And neither of them had a starring role in those stories. There's a slight difference there. It's like complaining 616 Norman Osborn has more personality than 616 Mr. Negative.

First of all I don't like hulk goblin, a guy in a costume is way more realistic then a guy who turns into a mosnter.And a guy bitten by a radioactive spider dropping dead is more realistic than him developing superpowers.

Mac Gargan is a billion times more interesting than that. Scorpion should be the ultimate anti Spider-man weapon, making him a clone addes nothing to the caracter.This must be the first time in years that anyone has called the 616 Scorpion interesting.

[Angelus II]

Um, not to be rude but...
WHAT? You have not made good points at all, and please read and fully absorb my retort: Actually, you didn't made any good points.
Let me explain.

1) Niether Venom or Carnage are symbiotic. And the Ultimate versions of both of these characters are both better and completely different from their 616 counterparts, and such a comparison is unfair. Venom is a childhood friend of Peter who feels betrayed and is empowered by the cure for cancer, and Carnage is a prototype for extra-uterine cloning developed from Peter's DNA. Both are extremely personal foes of Peter.
Okay, maybe they aren't sybiotic like the their 616 counterparts. But the next arc is called "War of the Symbiotes." Which mean that Ultimate Venom and Carnage are symbiotic in some way.


2) Sandman and Electro are not minor villains, both were members of the Ultimate Six, the stongest members in fact, let down by their being simple thugs. They also have a common origin and a newly-developed hatred of Spider-man. They also know who he really is. They are obviously being set up for future use. Both have flesed out characters and origins, but they do deserve more usage. Sandman in particular. And with the War of the Symbiotes arc adapting the game, Sandman may be set to make a return. (hopefully we get Ultimate Beetle too, ;)) I got to agree that Sandman and Electro are minor villains. The Sandman only appear in Ultimate Six (and that one stand-alone which was part of Ultimate Six). Don't see how a quick appearance of the Sandman made he a major villain. If he a major villain where the hell is he? Electro, he a sidekick for a boss, a major villain--he not a major villain himself. I got to say that both of them got potential for becoming a major villain--but not yet.

3) The Green Goblin was quite different than the 616 Goblin, as was the Hobgoblin. The alteration of Doc Ock's powers was to further distinguish him from his 616 counterpart, and is not such a bad idea as you make it out to be. And he does not control magentism, he controls metal. And the Kingpin has been used very much better than he has recently in the 616. The use of these characters is high-quality, just because they have been used before frequently does not make them over exposed. Yes it does, and Bendis would agree. He did sent Kingpin to jail and killed both Osborn.

4) There are a number of one-shots coming up to flesh out previously shown villains, such as Omega Red. And while Vulture was not fleshed out at all, hopefully he will recieve this treatment in the future. As an ex-SHIELD operative it would be interesting to see what made him get fired, as it is supposed to be a life-long contract.We don't really know if Vulture will return. I'm surprise Bendis did him when he say he wasn't going to do a Vulture in issue #50.

5) Scorpion is most definately not a throw-away character. He has an interesting origin, and is capable of greatly upsetting Peter's life. And he is not a Kaine knock off, they have an Ultimate Kaine. Scorpion's origin is the same as Spider-Woman and the other clones.

6) While little evidence exists for Shocker starring in that one-shot, logically he would be the best choice. The only other character that has been seriously suggested was Deadpool, but he is on Krakoa or thereabouts, while Shocker is close by, has been defeated many times, and is probably fed up. As such he could go after Spider-man and catch him off guard, not expecting such a loser to defeat him. And his Immomen costume matches the hand and weapon on the cover. "The only other character that has been seriously suggested was Dead". I pretty sure I post that it could be Flash Thompson, since Bendis say he was planning a one-shot with him.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

616 Electro and Sandman have had dozens of stories over literally decades. Ultimate Sandman has had one, Electro has had two. And neither of them had a starring role in those stories. There's a slight difference there. It's like complaining 616 Norman Osborn has more personality than 616 Mr. Negative.

And a guy bitten by a radioactive spider dropping dead is more realistic than him developing superpowers.

This must be the first time in years that anyone has called the 616 Scorpion interesting.

1. Why don't Ultimate sandman or electro get their own arcs, that have been way more interesting than Carnage getting his own arc.

2. The ultimate universe was supposed to be more realistic, so what's up with Hulk goblin?

3. Scorpion has been used well in the past (his first story, MK Spidey, etc) and is still far more interesting than Ultimate scorpion.

[Angelus II]

1. Why don't Ultimate sandman or electro get their own arcs, that have been way more interesting than Carnage getting his own arc. Maybe in the future.

2. The ultimate universe was supposed to be more realistic, so what's up with Hulk goblin? Norman over dose himself with the Oz in issue #26, causing him to be a Hulk goblin. For Harry I really don't know why.

[Evil-Spidey]

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[The Master Meglomaniac]

Maybe in the future.

I think they should have gotten an arc before carnage.


Norman over dose himself with the Oz in issue #26, causing him to be a Hulk goblin. For Harry I really don't know why.

Not what i meant, if the ultimate universe so supposed to be realistic, why does Norman transform into a goblin, instead of being a nut in a costume.

[hunter_peterson]

I agree abot Omega Red and Morbius. Hopefully Red will get some depth in his issue.

And just because the arc is named War of the Symbiotes it does not mean that Venom and Carnage are symbiotes. It's bad science in the 616, and Venom has only ever had one host, Eddie used his own sample, not Peter's one. And Carnage has never even had a host. To suggest that they are symbiotic is simply retarded.

Electro and Sandman are major villains because they are above the Ringer, Omega Red and the Shocker. (Even though Shocker seems to be being buit up a bit.) And they very likely will get arcs about them in the future.

Bendis has removed all of these villains many times before, but I do hope that the Osborn's stay dead. It was just such a good story.

As you seem to have chosen an eariler post than my last one to complain about Scorpion, see my last post before this one. And Spider-woman is a female Peter, hence a very different character. Imagine having a guy's memories, in a girls body. I want to see more Spider-woman.

And Flash Thompson in a costume with Shocker's gun's? Yeah, thats real likely.

[Angelus II]

I think they should have gotten an arc before carnage. Agree.



Not what i meant, if the ultimate universe so supposed to be realistic, why does Norman transform into a goblin, instead of being a nut in a costume.
Why does Banner transform into a green monster called the Hulk?

[carabas]

Not what i meant, if the ultimate universe so supposed to be realistic, why does Norman transform into a goblin, instead of being a nut in a costume.It's not supposed to be more realistic in that regard, but in how people react to the sort of stuff 616 characters (and 616 civilians) just take for granted.

[Angelus II]

It's not supposed to be more realistic in that regard, but in how people react to the sort of stuff 616 characters (and 616 civilians) just take for granted.

I couldn't say it better myself.

[DeREk FrEEsT]

I get one with for Shocker:

Having him being labled as a pretty boy in prison. it would make alot of sense as to why he's always escaping from the joint. The way his body language can be at times in USM it kind of makes you think in your head that he might be running away from a rapist. This would be an interesting sub plot that leads onto a bi-sexual rapist villain. Let's get Peter actually scared of someone who wants his body sexually. Aw man I could see the rapist being Vermin, or Typhoid Mary. Yeah that's right I say having a female rapist and the victim being male would be more intimidating and very hard for anyone else to believe. So the rapes become a confidential torture. I could see Typhoid being prison guard at Ryker's who harrases shocker. Typhoid could be like that chick from oz who'd bug every inmate even using force to get sexual activities.

It may not be under the "realistic term" that some people are cooking up in this thread but It'd definantly be creatively original in some ways. The thing is with comics you could make it work without even opening it wide out for the public to actually know but more of an implying method.

[SensorBoy]

Tandy Bowen.

[togeteiku42]

I want to see Miles Warren get expanded upon.

I don't think he should become the Jackal either. He seems like a good guy, from what little we've seen. So I hope he continues dating Aunt May, but does not marry, and becomes somewhat of a father figure for Peter.

[Evil-Spidey]

We already had a clone saga, so i doubt he will have anything to do with clones.

Miles Warren was Harry Osborn's hypnotherapist that helped him repress memories about his father, The Green Goblin. Later in the Deadpool story arc of Ultimate Spider-Man, he was revealed to be dating Aunt May. His last appearance was a cameo in Ultimate Spider-Man #114, when Aunt May tried to introduce him to Peter, but they had to leave town because of Norman Osborn and he had a patient to handle.

[Mr. Sam]

Might as well talk about the European Defense Initiative again. Their motives are clear, pretty much what the Ultimates were before the Avengers killed and replaced them. However, their back story needs expanding. I doubt we'll ever be hearing from them again though. They don't exist in Loeb's world. Only the X-Men and those immediately affected by the X-Men do.

[togeteiku42]

We already had a clone saga, so i doubt he will have anything to do with clones.

Miles Warren was Harry Osborn's hypnotherapist that helped him repress memories about his father, The Green Goblin. Later in the Deadpool story arc of Ultimate Spider-Man, he was revealed to be dating Aunt May. His last appearance was a cameo in Ultimate Spider-Man #114, when Aunt May tried to introduce him to Peter, but they had to leave town because of Norman Osborn and he had a patient to handle.

I don't want him to have anything to with clones or be a villain of any sort. Just a reoccurring supporting character. Maybe someone that Peter can look up to as a role model and go to for help.

[DeREk FrEEsT]

I don't want him to have anything to with clones or be a villain of any sort. Just a reoccurring supporting character. Maybe someone that Peter can look up to as a role model and go to for help.

I think Miles could make a good Captain Stacy role model for peter in the Ultimate Universe.

Did anyone check out my Typhoid and shocker expantion I know it might seem a little crazy but it'd be an interesting approach to both of the characters.

[carabas]

I don't want him to have anything to with clones or be a villain of any sort. Just a reoccurring supporting character. Maybe someone that Peter can look up to as a role model and go to for help.Not going to happen. He's already pretty imoral, with having turned Harry Osborn's mind into a post-hypnotic potpourri at the request of Norman. Miles Warren pretty much created Harry's Hobgoblin persona.

[Evil-Spidey]

Maybe they will make him the Ultimate Mindworm or Ultimate Hypno-Hustler instead of Ultimate Jackal. Ultimate Mysterio would also fit but i want that actor called Bruce that appeared in the Hollywood arc to be Ultimate Mysterio.

[togeteiku42]

Not going to happen. He's already pretty imoral, with having turned Harry Osborn's mind into a post-hypnotic potpourri at the request of Norman. Miles Warren pretty much created Harry's Hobgoblin persona.

I actually just read reread the arc where it first shows him in a session with Harry. And even though he hypnotized him for Norman, he seemed to worry about what was going to happen to Harry. He tried to talk to Norman about it, but Norman just kind of shrugged him off. So he may not be perfect, but I don't think that he is evil, or is trying to be immoral. It could actually add to his character. He could try to be a good role model to Peter to make up for what he now realizes were bad choices in the past.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Maybe they will make him the Ultimate Mindworm or Ultimate Hypno-Hustler instead of Ultimate Jackal. Ultimate Mysterio would also fit but i want that actor called Bruce that appeared in the Hollywood arc to be Ultimate Mysterio.

I think they would need bruce campbell's permission before he could be Ultimate Mysterio and that would just be weird, it be like Chameleon being Jim Carey or something.

[carabas]

I actually just read reread the arc where it first shows him in a session with Harry. And even though he hypnotized him for Norman, he seemed to worry about what was going to happen to Harry. He tried to talk to Norman about it, but Norman just kind of shrugged him off.And rather than quit working for Osborn or talking to the authorities, reporting obvious child abuse, he went ahead and did it anyway.

[Evil-Spidey]

I think they would need bruce campbell's permission before he could be Ultimate Mysterio and that would just be weird, it be like Chameleon being Jim Carey or something.Well they could just call him Bruce Bellcamp or something like that or even something totally diffrent like Bruce Beck. It would be unique and fun though if they really made Bruce Campbell the Ultimate Mysterio but i agree that it would be stupid if the made that multiple times like your Jim Carey example.

[Angelus II]

Tandy Bowen.

Dagger!!!!

Bring it.

[Evil-Spidey]

Looks like i got my wish with Omega Red and the Shocker appearing and getting expanded in the next few months. Now i'll wait for a new Morbius arc and finally a true Ultimate Mysterio.

[Angelus II]

Looks like i got my wish with Omega Red and the Shocker appearing and getting expanded in the next few months. Now i'll wait for a new Morbius arc and finally a true Ultimate Mysterio.

Did Marvel confirmed that Shocker is behide issue #22?

[ThePhenom]

I always wanted a little more backstory on Cyclop's and Havok's childhood, I mean I guess it's safe to assume they were regular kids but still seems like there could be more story there.

Emma Frost's backstory... not this unfortunate non-sensical Hellfire thing Kirkman has given us.

The Lensherr/Maximoffs... little is really known save for the Savage Land parts and the (again) unfortunate Wungalore mountain in Loeb's U3.

Maybe a little back story for Thor... even how a God becomes a hippie? Then a cardboard cutout.

I assume some of the desirable histories otherwise such as Fury's, Xavier's and Wolverine's will get explained in Ultimate Origins... but these are the histories that seemed curiously absent to me.

[Angelus II]

Did anyone say Peter's parents? That will be good.

[Evil-Spidey]

Did Marvel confirmed that Shocker is behide issue #22?

I know the picture looks a little diffrent than Shockers regular equipment but it's still very similar and i think the description of the issue gave it pretty much away:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/May08/main/ultsm122.jpg

THE STORY:
The worst day in Peter Parker’s life! Spider-Man has been defeated and kidnapped! Wait till you see who did what the Green Goblin, the Kingpin and Doctor Octopus couldn't do! And can Kitty Pryde and Mary Jane team up to save him in time?

[Blaqueneto]

The Lensherr/Maximoffs... little is really known save for the Savage Land parts and the (again) unfortunate Wungalore mountain in Loeb's U3.The Lensherrs certainly need their backstories expanded. It would be nice to know what really happened with Magneto before the Savage Land years. One minute he says all his relatives died, but later it's revealed he does have family left. If only Loeb's nonsensical retcons could be completely forgotten.

To be honest, given how important Magneto's history is in 616, and how that shaped him there, it's a bit disappointing to see all that replaced with, well, not much really.

Another character I would like to see expanded upon is Namor.

[Angelus II]

I know the picture looks a little diffrent than Shockers regular equipment but it's still very similar and i think the description of the issue gave it pretty much away:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/May08/main/ultsm122.jpg

Maybe it J.Jonah Jameson. Issue #121 story is call The Worst Day in Spider-Man's life. So, issue #121 & #122 may be one story.

[Evil-Spidey]

Maybe it J.Jonah Jameson. Issue #121 story is call The Worst Day in Spider-Man's life. So, issue #121 & #122 may be one story.

Still think it's the Shocker, i mean look at the gun, that looks much more like one of the Shockers vibration devices than a regular gun.

[ULTIMATE VENOM]

When you think about it the worst day of his life could be getting beat by the Shocker. Im going with evil-spidey on it's Shocker.

[Azure Owl]

Not what i meant, if the ultimate universe so supposed to be realistic, why does Norman transform into a goblin, instead of being a nut in a costume.

Personally I always thought I was a nice touch that two compounds that were trying to accomplish the same result, i.e. recreating the effects of the supersoldier serum, had similar unintended side effects when they failed. Since both Banner’s formula and Oz were different approaches to the same thing, it makes sense that they’d be similar to one another.

[Angelus II]

When you think about it the worst day of his life could be getting beat by the Shocker. Im going with evil-spidey on it's Shocker.

I disagree, I think the worst day is being unmask by Jameson. He was unmasked in issue #10 "The Worst Thing". So, I'm sure Spidey gonna have more bad days than this one.

[Evil-Spidey]

Except this is not the 616 universe.