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Marcus_Maximus
03-08-2008, 08:03 PM
I was just remembering Frank Miller's Dark Knight and all the problems the heroes had with Batman. "You effin' ruined everything!" I never got it but for part of the story line. Now, I get it and I love the way Frank wove it into All Star Batman and Robin.

How do I get it? All the heroes sold out. Sure that's the story line but its prophetic. Look at comics today. They all sold out. All of them. In Marvel, most heroes work for the government through the Superhero Registration Program or are outlaws soon to sell out for various reasons becuase SHIELD is too oppresive or that 50 State Initiative Program. Marvel's flagship character, Spiderman, made a deal with the devil (where in my eyes is the day he died). In DC, many heroes work with Checkmate (the government) or are affliated in some fashion with the government that has some Abu Gharib type place for villians.

Frank Miller's Batman and Robin would have none of that...just like me. His Dark Knight never sold out. But, we never saw that coming in 1986 did we?

So, big props and all acolades for Frank Miller as the supreme story teller...for telling the future. (Hell, Batman is what they called me in college for the Batman muscle shirt and black trench I had after I read the mini...easier and less offensive to me than saying "the huge black guy with the muscles" since they forgot my name.)

Just a side note on my life. This thread is for Frank Miller who trluy knows the essence of The Batman and who saw the future. I can deal with your lateness now. You always wait for a hero to return...no matter how long. Never change the Dark Knight, Sir.

Marcus_Maximus
03-08-2008, 08:43 PM
FM had the forsight to see to today............even down to the Batmobile in issue#2......damn.

Props.

Marcus_Maximus
03-09-2008, 12:37 AM
I'm watching a film called "Trade" right now, based on real life. Yes. We need a Dark Knight, we need a Frank Miller Dark Knight not a crisis, not an invasion, not a civil war...we need


Heroes.

WorstThingUS
03-09-2008, 03:07 AM
In Dark Knight the only hero who "sold out" was Superman. The others quit rather than answer the to government. You might want to try reading that again. And in DK2 we learn those that didn't quit were either prisoners or being blackmailed (if Superman didn't comply, the millions in Kandor would die). So there were in fact no "sell-outs" at all. Just Frank Miller showing just how much he hates bright and shiny superheroes, from Superman's constant humilation to Dick Grayson's hideous fate.

Marcus_Maximus
03-09-2008, 03:18 AM
In Dark Knight the only hero who "sold out" was Superman. The others quit rather than answer the to government. You might want to try reading that again. And in DK2 we learn those that didn't quit were either prisoners or being blackmailed (if Superman didn't comply, the millions in Kandor would die). So there were in fact no "sell-outs" at all. Just Frank Miller showing just how much he hates bright and shiny superheroes, from Superman's constant humilation to Dick Grayson's hideous fate.

So, I need to dig into my 6,000 comic collection to find that 4 issue mini series to remind me again. My bad. But, I was still right. The flagship of DC sold out just like another competitor's flagship..on DK2, right again...but I don't think I even have the 3rd issue and there's a reason for that...

You just don't like Frank Mller's Batman....admit it. LOL

WorstThingUS
03-09-2008, 03:34 AM
So, I need to dig into my 6,000 comic collection to find that 4 issue mini series to remind me again. My bad. But, I was still right. The flagship of DC sold out just like another competitor's flagship..on DK2, right again...but I don't think I even have the 3rd issue and there's a reason for that...

You just don't like Frank Mller's Batman....admit it. LOL

I enjoyed the first. The second was unmitigated garbage, on the level of Lucas going back to Star Wars. Sometimes creators should just leave well enough alone. You probably don't have the 3rd issue because you a) got sick of waiting or b) decided to cut your losses after #2. But it does undo Superman as a sell-out and makes him the victim of genocidal blackmail.

And you're wrong about the current DCU. Superman doesn't work for Checkmate any more than Batman does. Wonder Woman, however does work for the govt. in her civilian id.

Only 6,000? Tsk, tsk, tsk.