What Do We Want?

[Ramirez IV]

We can speculate about what Ultimatum might be 'til the cows come home, run a bath and wake up the next morning wishing they were still sipping margaritas in the Costa Del Sol. (Though Loeb's less-than-ultimate Ultimates run seems to have reduced overall interest a bit)

But what do people want to see happen?

Personally, after the disruption comes...

. Peter Parker: Director of SHIELD
. Nick Fury: Coffee Boy
. Wolverine measuring his height against a wall with chalk and standing next to it before every new issue he appears in
. Magneto apologises to everyone and opens a tanning salon in Ohio
. Something involving Reed Richards and a combine harvester
. Ultimate Dirk Anger

These... may not happen. But the thought's what counts.

Any ideas?

[Tobias Drake]

Jessica Drew. If we get her back, I'm happy.

[carabas]

Ultimate Chitari Kill Krew.

Ultimate Aztek the Ultimate Ultimate Man.

[prodigy]

Loeb fired, ashamed, blacklisted and begging for money on the street.

[carabas]

Loeb fired, ashamed, blacklisted and begging for money on the street.Vindictive critter, aint'ya.

[DeREk FrEEsT]

No more Dr.Doom.

Victor Van Damme- Doctor Druid If you have Victor with the same personality as his 616 counterpart it gets annoying becuase Doom's only goal is to make Reed Richard in defeat. Yeah that's cool but it's been represented too much. It's time Victor moves up and really tries to take on the big powerful creatures of the Universe. I see alot of poetential to build him up as (the one in USM is only the son not the original and he's not even as powerful as his dad) Dr.Strange's student or Dr.Druid's student.

I would really love to see that big time if I get a chance to write it then I will, but first I need to make sure I can do it before anyone else messes with him and has him go into the villian direction.

[3D Master]

Two things:

1. Ultimate Sentry.

It would be damn nice to see the guy actually around since nearly the beginning, instead of suddenly pop up.

Of course, since he isn't a Marvel classic, he can be changed COMPLETELY, as in:

If 616 Sentry is Marvel's Superman, than Ultimate Sentry should be Marvel's version of that other great alien refugee: Son Goku.

He should be a guy that has learned to tap into his chi / ki on Son Goku's level. A late teen or early twenties, who does NOT where a Super Hero costume, nor a disguise. He should simply be in normal clothes with a belt that contains the S (some kind of family shield thing possibly), thus gaining the nickname Sentry. His chi / ki flame when he really goes all out should be golden, hence his second nickname, the Golden Guardian.

Also, the guy shouldn't be an American at all. I'm thinking part French and part Japanese (from which he learned the chi thing and pushed it way up), and a guy that's truly out to protect the world, and to hell with any individual country. So we should see him operate just about anywhere else, and become beloved over time by the people (and hated by just about every government out there).

There'd be a shit load of potential, including what he would mean to mutants, their status and to themselves, as well as magneto. Here's a normal old human that is faster, more powerful, and has some flashy attacks greater than any mutant.

Something like that would have much, much, and very interesting potential, especially if he has according to believe gained immortality through this. You could have him (maybe with Thor or so) gallivanting around the universe centuries down the line in several mini-series.


2. More Ultimate Spider-woman/Jessica Drew - hell her own book

The female clone of Peter Parker with his memories.

Seeing "Peter Parker" having to handle all the femininity aspects, and his/her sexuality, the "software personality's" versus the "hardware brain wiring" has got to be interesting. After all Peter Parker is into chicks, he's heterosexual, so Jessica Drew's body has got to be heterosexually wired and thus responding to guys, yet the personality formed from the memories is into girls, and that conflict has got to be damn interesting.

The first time she involuntarily checks out a guy's ass, or goes, 'Hm, nice broad shoulders', has got to be the mother ffing, "WHAT THE HELL!? WHAT THE HELL!?" moments ever.

You can pull a shitload of both drama and humor out of the situation - it's nothing but raw, untapped potential.

[ZT4]

I could see that being comedy gold had she not significantly enjoyed her ackward hug with Peter.

[Butch Mapa]

There is only one Dirk Anger, and he was already the most Ultimate Dirk Anger a Dirk Anger could be.

[desanth]

No Ultimate Sentry, a superman type guy just doesn't fit anywhere really, we got heavy hitters already. Although I'd love to see a joke scene where someone with a scouter says, "His power level.. Its over 10,000!" Or even a character that is mid level with cool DBZ powers would be interesting. Heck, just make a powerless Japanese guy that cosplays and put him on the Defenders.

More Spiderwoman would be interesting, but it'd be hard to decide what to do with her exactly. I mean, where does she fit into the grand scheme of things? And I don't think I want to have her identify her sexuality that much, I think its something that you look too deeply into it doesn't become fun anymore.
I think it'd be interesting to see an issue with her on the island of misfit heroes/villains: we can have Geldoff, Magician, Namor, and other characters that seem to be pushed off to the side and forgotten.

[Netley]

Two things:

1. Ultimate Sentry.

It would be damn nice to see the guy actually around since nearly the beginning, instead of suddenly pop up.

Of course, since he isn't a Marvel classic, he can be changed COMPLETELY, as in:

If 616 Sentry is Marvel's Superman, than Ultimate Sentry should be Marvel's version of that other great alien refugee: Son Goku.

He should be a guy that has learned to tap into his chi / ki on Son Goku's level. A late teen or early twenties, who does NOT where a Super Hero costume, nor a disguise. He should simply be in normal clothes with a belt that contains the S (some kind of family shield thing possibly), thus gaining the nickname Sentry. His chi / ki flame when he really goes all out should be golden, hence his second nickname, the Golden Guardian.

Also, the guy shouldn't be an American at all. I'm thinking part French and part Japanese (from which he learned the chi thing and pushed it way up), and a guy that's truly out to protect the world, and to hell with any individual country. So we should see him operate just about anywhere else, and become beloved over time by the people (and hated by just about every government out there).

There'd be a shit load of potential, including what he would mean to mutants, their status and to themselves, as well as magneto. Here's a normal old human that is faster, more powerful, and has some flashy attacks greater than any mutant.

Something like that would have much, much, and very interesting potential, especially if he has according to believe gained immortality through this. You could have him (maybe with Thor or so) gallivanting around the universe centuries down the line in several mini-series.


2. More Ultimate Spider-woman/Jessica Drew - hell her own book

The female clone of Peter Parker with his memories.

Seeing "Peter Parker" having to handle all the femininity aspects, and his/her sexuality, the "software personality's" versus the "hardware brain wiring" has got to be interesting. After all Peter Parker is into chicks, he's heterosexual, so Jessica Drew's body has got to be heterosexually wired and thus responding to guys, yet the personality formed from the memories is into girls, and that conflict has got to be damn interesting.

The first time she involuntarily checks out a guy's ass, or goes, 'Hm, nice broad shoulders', has got to be the mother ffing, "WHAT THE HELL!? WHAT THE HELL!?" moments ever.

You can pull a shitload of both drama and humor out of the situation - it's nothing but raw, untapped potential.

Dude YOU should replace Loeb on Ultimatum!

But leave Ultimate Jessica Drew out of Ultimatum - just give her her own book by Bendis!

[desanth]

I almost forgot what this thread was about.

At Ultimatum I want to see Ultimate Stephen Colbert becoming president of the US and then going on a power trip that sets the government against mutants and superhumans. Ultimatum: Leave America, its only for Americans.

Or..

Jeph Loeb takes a dump in his hand and throws it at the readers. Ultimatum: Let this room full of monkeys with typewriters to write all UU stories from now on or Jeph Loeb will.
Either way we are screwed and will have to face the fruit of Jeph Loeb's excrement. Well maybe his fertilizer will be good for something...

[Netley]

At Ultimatum I want to see Ultimate Stephen Colbert becoming president of the US and then going on a power trip that sets the government against mutants and superhumans. Ultimatum: Leave America, its only for Americans.


I don't think even Steven Colbert could save Ultimatum from Loeb.

I feel bad "bashing" the guy like this, cause I have no problem with him or his older material. But I have to be honest and say that I am very disappointed he's writing this, and I wish Bendis, Millar, Vaughan, or even Kirkman were writing it instead, since it's supposed to "bookend" the Ultimate universe along with Ultimate Origins.

[3D Master]

More Spiderwoman would be interesting, but it'd be hard to decide what to do with her exactly. I mean, where does she fit into the grand scheme of things? And I don't think I want to have her identify her sexuality that much, I think its something that you look too deeply into it doesn't become fun anymore.

It has nothing to do with "identifying sexuality", it all has got to with EXPLORING sexuality. She's the absolute perfect character to explore a whole sexuality and gender spectrum (as background to her super hero antics of course). There's a lot of interesting things to do. And as for grand scheme of things; does she need to fit into the grand scheme of things? The world is a big place, there are a lot of places she can be having adventures.

[Mister Mets]

Some ideas. More to come possibly.

1. Always excellent creative teams. Otherwise, what's the point to the Ultimate line?

2. Exciting and Accessible Storylines. Otherwise, what's the point to the Ultimate line? Some of their recent stories just weren't that appealing as concepts. The Ultimate Fantastic Four VS disguised versions of the New Gods probably wasn't the best first arc for Carey.

3. Breakout Talent- Bendis and Millar became superstar writers after the success of their Ultimate books. We should demand the same of every future writer to tackle the series. It's a criteria in which Mike Carey and Robert Kirkman have failed.

4. Less Projects- Currently there are three mini-series starring Ultimate Iron Man. I'm still not sure why Ultimate Power couldn't have been an arc of Ultimate Fantastic Four. Overexposure's really not helping the Ultimate line.

[Mister Mets]

I just realized Matt Fraction is probably the perfect writer for Ultimate Fantastic Four And/ or Ultimate X-Men (though this likely won't happen because he is busy writing Invincible Iron Man, Punisher War Journal and Casanova, and co-writing Iron Fist and Uncanny X-Men.)

He's not an A-list writer yet, but I suspect that will change by the end of the year (which is the perfect description of the ideal Ultimate writer.) Casanova's second volume has demonstrated his skill in writing an ensemble book. Ultimate X-Men would work with some of the edginess of the book, while the weird concepts in Casanova demonstrate that he'd be perfect for updating Lee/ Kirby (and John Byrne and even Waid/ Wieringo) in Ultimate Fantastic Four.

So that would be one thing I'd want for the Ultimate books. :D

[Slyfer]

Leob is writing Ultimatum , oh my GOD WE'RE SCREWED!

[carabas]

Leob It's Loeb, not Leob.

[Evil-Spidey]

I just hope Ultimatum has no effect on USM and Bendis can just go on with his storys like it never happened. As for the other 3 they can screw with those as much as they want as they are not very good or interesting at this point anymore.

[Netley]

I just hope Ultimatum has no effect on USM and Bendis can just go on with his storys like it never happened. As for the other 3 they can screw with those as much as they want as they are not very good or interesting at this point anymore.

I hear what you're saying. From what I've read in interviews and such, it looks like USM will be relatively unscathed (thank goodness!)

[Slyfer]

It's Loeb, not Leob.

Dammit , I caught his illness, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


I want Loeb off ULTIMATES, PERIOD, for all eternity, better yet, let Ellis come to ULTIMATES , now that would be something special :)

[Nics23]

What is Ultimatum?

Any way things I would like to see in a few books. Spiderwoman comming back.

I agree with the above poster make Doom a real threat in the UMU. I think the dude should be able to give the ult a good fight.

[Slyfer]

I thought Millar already established that DOOM is the single greatest treat to the UMU , heck dude is technically more powerful than Thor .

[Obsidian Thought]

A redefined and bold new Ultimate Universe. I'd like the TPTB to create a solid and grounded direction for each title. More character development and deeper plot/story progression. Overall, I want to see the Ultimate Universe portrayed as strongly as the 616 is portrayed when all is said and done.

[Mr. Sam]

I completely agree with you there, my friend. The UMU can afford to be a lot more concise with things, however.

[Evil-Spidey]

I thought Millar already established that DOOM is the single greatest treat to the UMU , heck dude is technically more powerful than Thor .

Problem is there is no Dr.Doom anymore in the UU, only Doombots are left.

[hunter_peterson]

He'll be back. Like Ahnuhld. He'll be back. ;)

[Slyfer]

DOOM is integral to the UMU , why because he has uncovered all the secrets of Atlantis which makes him a heavy duty hitter, hmmm come to think of it do we have an Ultimate Stephen Strange ???

[Evil-Spidey]

Right now it seems he's only integral to the stomach of these guys:

http://www.headinjurytheater.com/images/mzomb%20marvel%20zombie%20craziness.jpg

and yes we have a Ultimate Dr.Strange i guess you haven't read USM?

[Tobias Drake]

Right now it seems he's only integral to the stomach of these guys:

http://www.headinjurytheater.com/images/mzomb%20marvel%20zombie%20craziness.jpg

and yes we have a Ultimate Dr.Strange i guess you haven't read USM?

Given that Ultimate Doom doesn't seem to have an ounce of flesh on him, I don't think those guys will care much.

[Hollowpoint_Ninja]

I want to see the Ultimate hulk Vs. Wolverine series get finished... and I want Ultimate Mephisto to ret-con Loeb and Kirkman's stories out of existence. :evilsmile

[ThePhenom]

I want to see the Ultimate hulk Vs. Wolverine series get finished... and I want Ultimate Mephisto to ret-con Loeb and Kirkman's stories out of existence. :evilsmile

Maybe that's why Ultimatum involves UXM, UFF and the Ultimates... A serious bout of amnesia by an Ultimate Mephisto will retcon Loeb, Kirkman and the last few arcs by Carey out of here...

[DeadXMan]

A beer and see somthing nekid!!:D

[Evil-Spidey]

Given that Ultimate Doom doesn't seem to have an ounce of flesh on him, I don't think those guys will care much.
They ate the Silver Surfer, Ego the living Planet and freakin Galactus who has not even a true body! If Doom wasn't their lunch they could have infected him with the Virus, i mean even the Thing, Colossus and Vision got infected.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

How about taking a lame character and making him cool in the 616 universe.

[Tobias Drake]

They ate the Silver Surfer, Ego the living Planet and freakin Galactus who has not even a true body! If Doom wasn't their lunch they could have infected him with the Virus, i mean even the Thing, Colossus and Vision got infected.

IIRC, Colossus is organic. It's just his skin that turns to metal. Thing...I don't know about Thing. I know Ultimate Thing has organic muscle tissue under his rock skin, I can't say for sure about 616 (though, since this isn't 616 Thing, hard to say how much it matters). Vision...I don't know Vision well enough to even begin to guess.

Doom, however, appears to be a spirit inhabiting a set of armor. Nothing organic to be infected, and unless these guys have a taste for metal, there's nothing in him for them to eat. Even Surfer, they had to peel back the silverish skin to get at the fleshy tissue underneath; they wouldn't eat the silver parts. I just can't see how they would even care about an animated suit of armor with no meat to devour.

[IronStarks]

I want a Ultimates Ongoing. Its ALL i want

[ultimatespyder20]

Expand the Ultimate U a little bit...make it possible for new and interesting stories. Hell, give the Ultimate U its own Multiverse. ;)

That's what I want.

Alec

[ultimatespyder20]

I just hope Ultimatum has no effect on USM and Bendis can just go on with his storys like it never happened. As for the other 3 they can screw with those as much as they want as they are not very good or interesting at this point anymore.

Seconded! :cool:

Alec

[Will.S]

Some ideas. More to come possibly.

1. Always excellent creative teams. Otherwise, what's the point to the Ultimate line?

2. Exciting and Accessible Storylines. Otherwise, what's the point to the Ultimate line? Some of their recent stories just weren't that appealing as concepts. The Ultimate Fantastic Four VS disguised versions of the New Gods probably wasn't the best first arc for Carey.

3. Breakout Talent- Bendis and Millar became superstar writers after the success of their Ultimate books. We should demand the same of every future writer to tackle the series. It's a criteria in which Mike Carey and Robert Kirkman have failed.

4. Less Projects- Currently there are three mini-series starring Ultimate Iron Man. I'm still not sure why Ultimate Power couldn't have been an arc of Ultimate Fantastic Four. Overexposure's really not helping the Ultimate line.
Same here.

[Alan2099]

We want either completey unque takes on characters and storylines so different from the originals that they might as wel not even claim to be based on them

OR

We want familiar characters and stories so similiar to what we've already gotten they might as well just reprint old stuff.

Either way (or anything in between) we get to have fun complaining about it.

[filthysize]

Captain America, Hollywood superstar, teaching "good ole days" morals to today's young starlets.

[Tobias Drake]

We want top-quality material from the best writers in the world and we want it given away for free!

...what? It asked what we WANT, not what we could plausibly get!

[hunter_peterson]

I want Leob to get his act together for Ultimatum. He can do good, you know.

Also, you remember how Queseda mentioned one title already published in the Ultimate U back when it was launched? I know what it is; Supreme Power. It's basically an Ultimisation of the orginal Squadren Supreme, and Ultimate Power included it. But he also included the originals... guess they ran out of ideas.

[Evil-Spidey]

IIRC, Colossus is organic. It's just his skin that turns to metal. Thing...I don't know about Thing. I know Ultimate Thing has organic muscle tissue under his rock skin, I can't say for sure about 616 (though, since this isn't 616 Thing, hard to say how much it matters). Vision...I don't know Vision well enough to even begin to guess.

Doom, however, appears to be a spirit inhabiting a set of armor. Nothing organic to be infected, and unless these guys have a taste for metal, there's nothing in him for them to eat. Even Surfer, they had to peel back the silverish skin to get at the fleshy tissue underneath; they wouldn't eat the silver parts. I just can't see how they would even care about an animated suit of armor with no meat to devour.

They don't seem to be very strict with choosing their food but i think we all know that Doom will come back someday anyway. I am just interested to see how they explain how Doom got out of the Marvel Zombies Universe without even scratching the Zombies.