Nick Fury never did anything wrong.

[prodigy]

So why tf was he abandoned in the Supremeverse?

Loeb apologists, I need your insight here. I can't make sense of this.


Let's see... Dr. Doom can literally get away with anything he wants and nobody does anything but Nick Fury puts a recorder on Richards' probe and as payment he gets dropped off in an alternate dimension?


Hmmm.


See, this goes beyond the whole "Wow. These guys are pricks. I hate them." territory and deep into "PLOTHOLE" land.

[DeadXMan]

wasn't the recorded that was dirty not reed's pobe?
there for it is Nick fault

[prodigy]

wasn't the recorded that was dirty not reed's pobe?
there for it is Nick fault
I don't mean this in any negative way in the slightest, friend, but what is your native language?

[DeadXMan]

You'll be surprised what a few Incredible Hulks do to your native language, my unconventional conventionalist.;)

now what I meant was it was Nick's recorder that brought the fungus to this squad's reality, not Reed's probe itself.
E.G.: the fualt lays with Nick, not Reed.

[ultimate hulk]

You'll be surprised what a few Incredible Hulks do to your native language, my unconventional conventionalist.;)

now what I meant was it was Nick's recorder that brought the fungus to this squad's reality, not Reed's probe itself.
E.G.: the fualt lays with Nick, not Reed.

hahahahahaha u mean't to say you were browsin and commenting on the comic forum while wasted.:D :D :D :

anyway,it didn't had anything to do with nick fury or reed richards.
that doctor confessed to reed that they wanted to find a way to put a stop to hyperion,so he created to bacteria to kill him.
they found reed's probe and infected it with the bacteria making it seems like it was reed who was responsible for bringing the bacteria to their world.
seriously,i don't know for what reason nick fury was arrested,or why doctor doom is getting blame for anything.

i had the comic,but used it as toilet paper when i found out the hulk lost to the thing.
besides it was trashy writing anyway,same random fights for no reason.i didn't even know why they brought the hulk into the fight,the reason for that was pretty stupid also.

[carabas]

Since when do Nick Fury and SHIELD have that kind of technology anyway?

[dreyga2000]

You'll be surprised what a few Incredible Hulks do to your native language, my unconventional conventionalist.;)

now what I meant was it was Nick's recorder that brought the fungus to this squad's reality, not Reed's probe itself.
E.G.: the fualt lays with Nick, not Reed.

If I'm not mistaken wasn't it that "Smarest Man in the World" guy from the Supremeverse who created the fungus as dettrent against Hyperion. Who later used the probes as decoy?

If so wouldn't Fury be innocent?

[Yaw]

Loeb got rid of Nick Fury because he doesn't care about Black people.;)

He stated in a Wordballoon interview that he got rid of Nick Fury because he felt that everything began and ended with Nick Fury in the Ultimateverse and apparently he stifled the storytelling a bit.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Loeb got rid of Nick Fury because he doesn't care about Black people.;)

He stated in a Wordballoon interview that he got rid of Nick Fury because he felt that everything began and ended with Nick Fury in the Ultimateverse and apparently he stifled the storytelling a bit.

Jeph Loeb stifles storytelling.

Nick Fury wasn't a problem, he just doesn't know how to deal around it.

[carabas]

Nah, he just couldn't think of a way to 616ize Ultimate Fury, and he'd rather drop dead than use the Ultimate version of any character.

[Yaw]

Jeph Loeb stifles storytelling.

Nick Fury wasn't a problem, he just doesn't know how to deal around it.

c/s

The events of Ultimates 3 portray a pretty pathetic team of superheroes who get their based raided by unwanted visitors not once but 3 times (yes 3 Wolverine wasn't invited) in about 2 days. Even though the Ultimates separated from SHIELD if Nick Fury was around he would have stuck his nose in this business if Magneto was roaming freely around destroying shit or at least he should. In short, Nick Fury in Loeb's world would make him have to construct the poor plot a little better. But at the end of the day it's all about the $$ and Loeb clearly makes it.

[Vapour Trail]

Huge plot hole.

Let me get this straight, the number 2 in command of that helicarrier decided not to resist when Fury was dragged away kicking and screaming?

The entire military command structure on that ship just decided that was fine with them?

It's not like Fury said "leave me behind boys, I'll take the heat for this one, get everyone home safe."

And then Spider-man gets amnesia that any of this ever happened and spends the Death of a Goblin arc saying "where's Fury?"

And for Pete's sake Marvel, don't try and tell us Fury's arm is a robotic limb. It doesn't look like one and eventually someone with less regard for continuity will forget anyway. Let's just say that they have stem cells from Wolverine from his Weapon X days and used them to regrow Fury's arm. Nice and simple.

[Sean Whitmore]

So why tf was he abandoned in the Supremeverse?


Is THAT how that series ended?

Holy Jesus.


SEAN

[vampireboy97]

I agree that Nicky Fury only had the best intentions and well-being of the Ultimate Universe in mind when he participated in Doom's plan, but throughout all the Ultimate Series' he is usually one way or another, manipulating everyone wheather it be Spidey, the X-Men, the FF or even members of the Ultimates.

Not to mention keeping the U.S. president in the dark from some of the stuff that SHIELD's been doing (like in ULTIMATE SIX when he kept Spidey villains locked up without trial).

Simply put, his methods of protecting the country, (though effective) required constantly manipulating its heroes and it was only a matter of time before pissing these people off would result in kama coming back and biting him in the ass.

I'm not saying that the ultimate heroes used that whole ULTIMATE POWER crisis in the Supreme Universe as an excuse to dump Fury and make him the someone else's problem, but that it was gonna be the easiest way to resolve matters between the Ultimate heroes and the Supreme Squadron heroes. The fact that he pissed everyone off so much over the years just resulted in nobody speaking up for him or sheding a tear when he was traded off to the Squadron Supreme.

This makes a great part of the Ultimate storylines because we now get to see how things fall apart without him because he was the 'safety valve' to many of the Ultimate world's secrets.

Hopefully, we'll see him come back if those rumors about all the Ultimate Marvel books being cancelled after ULTIMATUM turn out to false.

[Blader5489]

Wow, I'm surprised Beast hasn't posted yet. :rolleyes:

[Brian M.]

Wow, I'm surprised Beast hasn't posted yet. :rolleyes:

I'm surpised you think you're better than someone else you've never met.

[prodigy]

I agree that Nicky Fury only had the best intentions and well-being of the Ultimate Universe in mind when he participated in Doom's plan, but throughout all the Ultimate Series' he is usually one way or another, manipulating everyone wheather it be Spidey, the X-Men, the FF or even members of the Ultimates.

Not to mention keeping the U.S. president in the dark from some of the stuff that SHIELD's been doing (like in ULTIMATE SIX when he kept Spidey villains locked up without trial).

Simply put, his methods of protecting the country, (though effective) required constantly manipulating its heroes and it was only a matter of time before pissing these people off would result in kama coming back and biting him in the ass.

I'm not saying that the ultimate heroes used that whole ULTIMATE POWER crisis in the Supreme Universe as an excuse to dump Fury and make him the someone else's problem, but that it was gonna be the easiest way to resolve matters between the Ultimate heroes and the Supreme Squadron heroes. The fact that he pissed everyone off so much over the years just resulted in nobody speaking up for him or sheding a tear when he was traded off to the Squadron Supreme.

This makes a great part of the Ultimate storylines because we now get to see how things fall apart without him because he was the 'safety valve' to many of the Ultimate world's secrets.

Hopefully, we'll see him come back if those rumors about all the Ultimate Marvel books being cancelled after ULTIMATUM turn out to false.
God... I hate Loeb more and more as I read your post.

Loeb is like the dude who got the idea to crucify Jesus.


Except worse.


Thing is, those Spidey villains don't need no damn trial. You cost millions in property damage, risk lives, take lives, steal millions - Screw it. Let the Punisher come for you. That's all there is to it.

Nobody has any reason to get pissed at Fury. He keeps the world safe and may not tell you the specifics but that's all that matters. He isn't running around taking innocent lives for no reason. Just shut your damn mouth and be happy that you're still breathing air - courtesy of Nick Fury.






You'll be surprised what a few Incredible Hulks do to your native language, my unconventional conventionalist.;)

now what I meant was it was Nick's recorder that brought the fungus to this squad's reality, not Reed's probe itself.
E.G.: the fualt lays with Nick, not Reed.
No, really. What's your native tongue?

No offense man... But it feels like you just busted out some online word translator thing.

[Blader5489]

I'm surpised you think you're better than someone else you've never met.

Wtf? Are you sure you're quoting the right person?

[Red Lotus]

If I'm not mistaken wasn't it that "Smarest Man in the World" guy from the Supremeverse who created the fungus as dettrent against Hyperion. Who later used the probes as decoy?

If so wouldn't Fury be innocent?

I thought that Fury and that guy were working together and because of that they almost destroyed that world.

[XPac]

I agree that Nicky Fury only had the best intentions and well-being of the Ultimate Universe in mind when he participated in Doom's plan, but throughout all the Ultimate Series' he is usually one way or another, manipulating everyone wheather it be Spidey, the X-Men, the FF or even members of the Ultimates.

Not to mention keeping the U.S. president in the dark from some of the stuff that SHIELD's been doing (like in ULTIMATE SIX when he kept Spidey villains locked up without trial).

Simply put, his methods of protecting the country, (though effective) required constantly manipulating its heroes and it was only a matter of time before pissing these people off would result in kama coming back and biting him in the ass.

I'm not saying that the ultimate heroes used that whole ULTIMATE POWER crisis in the Supreme Universe as an excuse to dump Fury and make him the someone else's problem, but that it was gonna be the easiest way to resolve matters between the Ultimate heroes and the Supreme Squadron heroes. The fact that he pissed everyone off so much over the years just resulted in nobody speaking up for him or sheding a tear when he was traded off to the Squadron Supreme.

This makes a great part of the Ultimate storylines because we now get to see how things fall apart without him because he was the 'safety valve' to many of the Ultimate world's secrets.

Hopefully, we'll see him come back if those rumors about all the Ultimate Marvel books being cancelled after ULTIMATUM turn out to false.

Yeah, I think removing Fury was necessary.

I think the Ultimate Unvierse is heading for some kind of "event," and the best way to allow that to happen is to take Fury off the table for a little while (I'm sure he'll return sooner or later, just as his 616 version will).

WIthout Fury, things will get a lot worse, as he flat out said.

[Brian M.]

God... I hate Loeb more and more as I read your post.

Loeb is like the dude who got the idea to crucify Jesus.


Except worse.



How anyone can take you serious after you post something like that is beyond me...seriously dude...comic book.

Calm down.

[Sean Whitmore]

How anyone can take you serious after you post something like that is beyond me...

Seriously.

The crucifixion was part of "the greatest story ever told".

How do you compare that to the guy who wrote "Hush"?


SEAN

[Scorpion13]

Whether Fury was culpable or not is up for debate.

What Im more concerned with is the fact that suddenly every superhero there suddenly got a lobotomy and had no qualms with simply leaving Nick in the alternate universe.

Alot of them wouldnt do that to murderous supervillains, but they do it to Nick, who has helped them out time and time again. Not to mention the very idea of stranding someone in a whole other dimension without any sort of trial or legal hearings or whatnot should have made Thor have a stroke. Not to mention how Cap should have reacted.

And this is AFTER Reed found out and exposed Burbank. It was HIS scheme, not Nick's.

The whole thing is garbage.

[mattx110]

Seriously.

The crucifixion was part of "the greatest story ever told".

How do you compare that to the guy who wrote "Hush"?


SEAN
Batman referencing "thirty pieces" in casual conversation with the guy who stabbed him in the back always seemed kinda off. Bruce probably read the Bible to find out what Ra's was doing in 2000 BC and again at 0 BC, but he doesn't seem like the type to use it's metaphors like that.

[DeadXMan]

There's no John Wayne in Hush .

E.G. The greatest story ever told > Hush

God... I hate Loeb more and more as I read your post.

Loeb is like the dude who got the idea to crucify Jesus.


Except worse.


Thing is, those Spidey villains don't need no damn trial. You cost millions in property damage, risk lives, take lives, steal millions - Screw it. Let the Punisher come for you. That's all there is to it.

Nobody has any reason to get pissed at Fury. He keeps the world safe and may not tell you the specifics but that's all that matters. He isn't running around taking innocent lives for no reason. Just shut your damn mouth and be happy that you're still breathing air - courtesy of Nick Fury.







No, really. What's your native tongue?

No offense man... But it feels like you just busted out some online word translator thing.

I refuse to retort on the doubt of my mastery of the English language, to a person that uses double negatives in the same post.

[ultimate hulk]

There's no John Wayne in Hush .

E.G. The greatest story ever told > Hush



I refuse to retort on the doubt of my mastery of the English language, to a person that uses double negatives in the same post.


c'mon man u don't need to get on the guy's ass about ur mastery of the english language.

he asked u a question on whether or not english is ur native language.
u didn't answer the question,so that has me now doubting too.
u avoided the question he was asking by saying that u were drunk off of incredible hulk

anyway,there r people that can't speak engilsh well,but knows how to write it well.
so ur mastery of the english language is the weirdest thing u ever said,and then u said the he uses double negatives in the same post.
u said it like writing english means u have master the english language.

why don't u just say what ur native language is? if ur native language is english then just say it's english?

ur mastery of the english language from writing? weirdest thing for a person who speaks english to say,isn't it?:D

[DeadXMan]

it's "you" not "U"
and "your" not "ur"

In fact "ur" is l33t for "you are"

[ultimate hulk]

it's "you" not "U"
and "your" not "ur"

In fact "ur" is l33t for "you are"

c'mon man! it's internet talk.so relax.:D

[DeadXMan]

By right you should be hung, for the cold blooded murder of the English tongue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owWPgUyK7DY

[carabas]

Batman referencing "thirty pieces" in casual conversation with the guy who stabbed him in the back always seemed kinda off. Bruce probably read the Bible to find out what Ra's was doing in 2000 BC and again at 0 BC, but he doesn't seem like the type to use it's metaphors like that.Umm, the thirty pieces of silver have become a common figure of speach a few centuries ago. There is no religious overtone to using it anymore.

[ultimate hulk]

By right you should be hung, for the cold blooded murder of the English tongue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owWPgUyK7DY

indeed my friend! indeed!:D :D :D :D

[IAMFuzzy]

Umm, the thirty pieces of silver have become a common figure of speach a few centuries ago. There is no religious overtone to using it anymore.
I completely disagree, but if you were to say that many people are ignorant of it then that's another matter entirely.

[Angelus II]

Don't know what is going on with this Nick Fury thing, but I kinda hope I do soon. When are we going to see he back in USM?

[carabas]

When are we going to see he back in USM?You'll have better luck quizzing people for winning lottery numbers.

[spiderman_rj]

me thinks cap america is a skrull :D

[Sonicjuce]

me thinks cap america is a skrull :D

wrong universe....

[MrPunch0]

wrong universe....

Is it? Loeb's got me so confused as to which one is which. :D

[hysang]

Wow.

I bailed on this book after the first issue with all the bad art...glad to see that was a good call.

[Netley]

Having a miniseries start with Bendis and end with Loeb just means it will go from interesting to suck. Any plot point that made sense initially will eventually end up seeming ridiculous. They seem like opposite ends of the modern-comics-writing spectrum to me. After reading that third act I wished I never bought the series to begin with.

And I was also surprised Peter was clueless about Fury's absence during "Death of a Goblin." Maybe Ultimate Fury is really hiding underground in anticipation of an alien invasion. Wataminute......

[hunter_peterson]

Yeah, Nick Fury got a bum rap. He was too awsome to be left behind, and Zarda too crazy to go with. And they actually used a Doombot in the Ultimate line. WTF. And surely Spider-man with his super-morals would have at least have tried to stop them.

[Red Lotus]

Having a miniseries start with Bendis and end with Loeb just means it will go from interesting to suck. Any plot point that made sense initially will eventually end up seeming ridiculous. They seem like opposite ends of the modern-comics-writing spectrum to me. After reading that third act I wished I never bought the series to begin with.

And I was also surprised Peter was clueless about Fury's absence during "Death of a Goblin." Maybe Ultimate Fury is really hiding underground in anticipation of an alien invasion. Wataminute......

I dont think he knew they left him.

[Netley]

I dont think he knew they left him.

You're probably right. Is Ultimate Fury in Ultimates 3 at all? I bought the first issue but the splash page festival made me not pick up any more. I bet Fury plays a role in Ultimatum. Millar/Hitch's Fury in Ultimates 1 and 2 was perfect and whenever he showed up in Ultimate Spider-Man it was always a treat. I'm not worried though, right around the corner it's 616 Fury's time to shine, in what I think is the most well played return of a character in comics since Cap was first thawed out of the ice (and it's not even out yet exactly haha).

[Mr. Sam]

You're probably right. Is Ultimate Fury in Ultimates 3 at all?

Nope. Not at all. It's pretty much X-Men anyhow.

I bought the first issue but the splash page festival made me not pick up any more. I bet Fury plays a role in Ultimatum. Millar/Hitch's Fury in Ultimates 1 and 2 was perfect

True story.

[Slyfer]

Alot of things didn't make sense in Ultimate Spiderman and Ultimates 2 and Ultimate Power. First off, Did Ultimate Power happened before or after Ultimates 2 because last I checked Nick Fury had one arm at the end of Ultimates #2. Why is it that Peter doesn't know where Fury is , is Ultimate Spiderman before Ultimate Power and wasn't magneto released after Ultimates # 2 so something doesn't quite make sense here ???

[Oblivion87]

Whether Fury was culpable or not is up for debate.

What Im more concerned with is the fact that suddenly every superhero there suddenly got a lobotomy and had no qualms with simply leaving Nick in the alternate universe.

Alot of them wouldnt do that to murderous supervillains, but they do it to Nick, who has helped them out time and time again. Not to mention the very idea of stranding someone in a whole other dimension without any sort of trial or legal hearings or whatnot should have made Thor have a stroke. Not to mention how Cap should have reacted.

And this is AFTER Reed found out and exposed Burbank. It was HIS scheme, not Nick's.

The whole thing is garbage.

I agree with you, it just seems like they wanted an excuse to dump Fury in Supremeverse. Although It might have been done in order to have a setup for some kind of sequel.

[carabas]

I agree with you, it just seems like they wanted an excuse to dump Fury in Supremeverse. Although It might have been done in order to have a setup for some kind of sequel.IIRC Loeb really wasn't keen on having Nick Fury around, to put it mildly. It may be more a case of them needing to dump him anywhere but in the Ultimate Universe.

[Netley]

IIRC Loeb really wasn't keen on having Nick Fury around, to put it mildly. It may be more a case of them needing to dump him anywhere but in the Ultimate Universe.

So Loeb doesn't like Fury, huh? I would guess that the feeling is mutual.

[Evil-Spidey]

Really there was no true in story reason to leave Fury in an alternate reality. The true villain was that Burbanck guy. Ok Fury worked with Doom but that didn't make any sense at all because Doom is trapped in another alternate reality, so he really only worked with a Doombot.

[Frank]

I'm reading this thread and laughing my ass off. It's like Loeb screwed up two cool Universes: the Ultimate Universe and the Supreme Power Universe. I mean The Ultimate Power mini-series was so dreadful. Also I cannot believe we're gonna have Ultimate Fury in Squadron Supreme 2. So pointless.

[IAMFuzzy]

me thinks cap america is a skrull :DI think Spidey was in this book. It would explain why he had amnesia in USM and why it was his idea to blame Fury in UP. The Skrulls are trying to weaken the Ultimate Universe in order to take it over during Ultimatum!

[saintsaucey]

Just curious what happened to the two guys who were posting earlier in the thread. Prodigy was the first one I noticed. then some other guy. Both banned.

[Blader5489]

IIRC Loeb really wasn't keen on having Nick Fury around, to put it mildly. It may be more a case of them needing to dump him anywhere but in the Ultimate Universe.

If that's true, why didn't he just kill him? The death of Nick Fury would be fit far more in tone with the Ultimate universe, and would truly be the spark that incites whatever the hell Ultimatum is supposed to be. Dumping him in an alternate universe for no reason is just...beyond stupid.

[Old No.7]

Just curious what happened to the two guys who were posting earlier in the thread. Prodigy was the first one I noticed. then some other guy. Both banned.

Who knows, but I'm glad that other guy got banned. He was a pain...:cool: