*Spoiler* Buffy #12 *Spoiler*

[Jkid099]

Once again, a comic is somewhat spoiled by the mainstream media ... well, the comic itself wasn't ... but merely an event in it (thankfully it was in today's, and not yesterday's):

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/books/05buffy.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin

Buffy apparently sleeps with Satsu.

Based on the interview with Joss Whedon in the NY Times piece, this isn't intended to make Buffy a lesbian, nor will there be an inordinate amount of time spent proving she's not one either. Merely it will be here experimenting, and the only question that will come up will be whether or not she used Satsu.

Interesting development. :-)

[rwe1138]

Hmm...

I don't hate it. ;)

[KJS1982]

Would have liked to have seen that happen on the TV, to be perfectly honest.

[Johnny_Luck]

Would have liked to have seen that happen on the TV, to be perfectly honest.

wouldn't we all?

[The Cool Thatguy]

...I'll be in my bunk :D

[unkiedev]

It was a GREAT issue! This issue really had a lot of great Xander moments, as well as the joyous return of Andrew, plus a very special guest at the end! What a hoot!

[chickrockguitar]

Firstly, OMG!!!
Hm.
No. Didn't like that move.
I didn't mind Willow, when she came out, probably because of the way she came out. I was pissed that she wasn't with Oz anymore. But that was down to Seth Green wanting a Movie career rather than Tv. And, well, Tara was okay (after season 4).
But, Buffy, no. Not because I have anything against gay people (or characters) at all. Each to their own and all that. But, because she belongs with Angel. Mwhwha! A firm B/A Shipper here!!

[MadBastard]

Enjoyed the issue but was a bit taken aback by Buffy choosing to sleep with Satsu. While Buffy certainly isn't the first college age individual to experiment sexually, I think she mostly did it because, as she said earlier in Season 8, has had a really slow year, and because she's terribly, terribly lonely. However, where's that leave Satsu? As shown earlier, Satsu isn't experimenting, she's in love. While I certainly can't blame Buffy for making that choice, it seems deeply selfish. Which is bound to have some consequences.

[Enigmanaut]

Enjoyed the issue but was a bit taken aback by Buffy choosing to sleep with Satsu. While Buffy certainly isn't the first college age individual to experiment sexually, I think she mostly did it because, as she said earlier in Season 8, has had a really slow year, and because she's terribly, terribly lonely. However, where's that leave Satsu? As shown earlier, Satsu isn't experimenting, she's in love. While I certainly can't blame Buffy for making that choice, it seems deeply selfish. Which is bound to have some consequences.

Yeah, but that's so very Buffy. She'll save the world, she'll slay the demons... but she aint half selfish.

[KJS1982]

Lesbianism > Selfishness.

I think I can let her off :)

[Yoda]

Firstly, OMG!!!
Hm.
No. Didn't like that move.
I didn't mind Willow, when she came out, probably because of the way she came out. I was pissed that she wasn't with Oz anymore. But that was down to Seth Green wanting a Movie career rather than Tv. And, well, Tara was okay (after season 4).
But, Buffy, no. Not because I have anything against gay people (or characters) at all. Each to their own and all that. But, because she belongs with Angel. Mwhwha! A firm B/A Shipper here!!

If you read the interview with Whedon, he says that she's not gay and that this isn't even a "phase." It was just something that happened.

[ultramandingo]

....... lezbein , shezbian - its the return of Dracula's butt monkey !!!

[drwho]

wow buffy has jumped the shark i see. No wonder Sarah didnt want to continue that role. :p

[JeffreyWKramer]

Excellent issue, probably the best single issue to date.

The Asian vamps, the return of Drac, some excellent character development and funny lines... really hard to beat this issue.

[tangentman]

wow buffy has jumped the shark i see. No wonder Sarah didnt want to continue that role. :p

Considering she played a sociopathic bisexual teen, I don't see why she'd have a problem with a same-sex "Morning After" scene. While the scene shocked, I think it's still a believable action for Buffy. She despises being alone, and is historically uncomfortable with her own company. Would Buffy use a person who professed profound love for her, especially when she's feeling more cut off from the people around her? Absolutely!

The antagonists intrigue me. Of course, the writers CAN'T go wrong with Gothic Lolita vamps and Yakuza-meets-Goth boy vamps! :D If they're not sired by Dracula, I'm DEFINITELY along for the ride. Excellent issue, a good balance of humor, character development, and genuine menace.

[GRANT!]

Hey it makes more sense then the time she started boinking Spike.

[JeffreyWKramer]

The antagonists intrigue me. Of course, the writers CAN'T go wrong with Gothic Lolita vamps and Yakuza-meets-Goth boy vamps! :D If they're not sired by Dracula, I'm DEFINITELY along for the ride. Excellent issue, a good balance of humor, character development, and genuine menace.


Yeah, I'll be interested in seeing where they go with this, and what the connection between these guys and Drac really is. Maybe they were sired by him, or maybe we'll learn that in the Buffyverse, Drac is more connected to an Eastern line of vampires than to the ones Buffy usually fights. This has precedent in Eastern mythology, in which vampires often have the sorts of abilities often attributed to Dracula (and, in particular, are often portrayed as expert shapeshifters), not to mention some abilities (invisibility, for example) atypical in Western vamps.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Hey it makes more sense then the time she started boinking Spike.

Much as some people dislike Season 6 (and I also am not fond of some aspects of that season, though to some extent for different reasons than most), Buffy's relationship with Spike makes perfect sense in terms of where she was at in that point in time, both situationally and psychologically. I think they went a bit too far in a few areas - I share Ms. Gellar's feeling that the scene in the one episode where she and Spike had doggy-style sex on the balcony at the Bronze while watching the other Scoobies down below is out of character for Buffy - I think that in general, that relationship was among the best parts of Season 6.

I also have no problem whatsoever with the current developments. It's not like she is around any males that are likely partners for Buffy right now. She views Giles as a father (or did until she got pissed off by the recent stuff with Faith) and Xander as a brother, and Andrew is... well, he's Andrew, not to mention lots of hints of him being latent or closeted-gay.

[GRANT!]

Much as some people dislike Season 6 (and I also am not fond of some aspects of that season, though to some extent for different reasons than most), Buffy's relationship with Spike makes perfect sense in terms of where she was at in that point in time, both situationally and psychologically. I think they went a bit too far in a few areas - I share Ms. Gellar's feeling that the scene in the one episode where she and Spike had doggy-style sex on the balcony at the Bronze while watching the other Scoobies down below is out of character for Buffy - I think that in general, that relationship was among the best parts of Season 6.

Honestly I never had much of a problem with it. Though having sex with sociopathic killer with an unhealthy obsession towards you is more the a bit fucked up (Angelus doesn't count). But then again that was the season where Willow was coked out on magic and everyone engage in a song and dance number so Season Six was all about being fucked up.

I also have no problem whatsoever with the current developments. It's not like she is around any males that are likely partners for Buffy right now. She views Giles as a father (or did until she got pissed off by the recent stuff with Faith) and Xander as a brother, and Andrew is... well, he's Andrew, not to mention lots of hints of him being latent or closeted-gay.

Slayer compound is looking a lot more like the Wellesley Campus with superpowers.

[MadBastard]

Hey it makes more sense then the time she started boinking Spike.

God, yes. That made my skin crawl.

[saintsaucey]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/03/05/arts/buffy190.jpg

what are the words from this page i don't have the issue and i can't read that small.

[CBR News]

Scott Allie Breaks Down Buffy’s Big Day (Or Night?) - SPOILERS!

“Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 8” editor Scott Allie dishes on Buffy’s latest lover, the return of Fray, and gives updates on the book’s future writers including Jeph Loeb, Brad Meltzer and Jim Krueger. SPOILERS!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13259

[Dr. Chaos]

Sex with a hot asian girl.

It doesn't matter if you're a gay man or straight woman, thats just not something you pass on in life.

[Weapon Ick]

I don't see what the big deal is.

Here's my question: If, instead of a girl, Buffy had slept with Xander or any male in this issue would people still be paying this much attention to it?

It's 2008 btw.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Honestly I never had much of a problem with it. Though having sex with sociopathic killer with an unhealthy obsession towards you is more the a bit fucked up.

Buffy was herself more than a bit "fucked up" at that point, having come back from the dead, clawed her way out of her own coffin, seemed to have come back "wrong" or messed up in some way, etc. She was using Spike to feel something, and because she was having a lot of trouble expressing her feelings to her friends, and she let herself go somewhat wild sexually, but was not comfortable either with using Spike or where some of her sexual explorations led her.

[Dr. Chaos]

Though having sex with sociopathic killer with an unhealthy obsession towards you is more the a bit fucked up.
It's not like Spike was out killing innocent people, like Angel, he was pretty much done with it at that point.

[JeffreyWKramer]

It's not like Spike was out killing innocent people, like Angel, he was pretty much done with it at that point.

By then he'd been chipped for about two years and was more or less unofficially a part of the team for most of that time, plus Buffy had specifically depended on him to protect Dawn and Joyce, and he'd proven his mettle by refusing to betray Buffy under Glory's torture. She still wasn't truly okay with him, which is part of what made the relationship shameful to her, but it wasn't like she was portrayed as one of those weird women who start jailhouse romances with serial murderers.

[Generic Eric]

I have read about this developement on a couple of websites already. My favorite part is people tentatively waiting for some fanbody meltdowns.

[ZT4]

It's natural progression of Buffy's sexual fetish. Satsu will probably, unlike Spike, recognise it for what it is and not perspective over it, which Spike did and it led to a rather touchy rape (no help from Buffy, trying to return to who she valued Spike as before and not after can lead to a basketcase moment for a psycho vamp)

[Jamal]

First off I don't read Buffy, not that it not a good book or anything it's just not my thing.

With that said I was in the comic shop picking up my books and this guy comes in asking for the new Buffy issue. Now the girl helping him is not a comic reader ( The store mostly sell toys ) so she asks him what's so special about this book since he's buying five copies. Turns out the guys never bought a comic in his life and when I suggest that he should pick up some of the back issues they had he told me he didn't plan on reading the series, he didn't even like comic. He just wanted the book because he heard about Buffy's first lesbian scene and figured it would be worth a lot of money someday.

The way he was looking at that book like it was a golden egg made me want to backhand the yuppie prick! :evilangry

I know that this wasn't a gimmick and I have nothing bad to say about the creators, I thought it was just sad that this jackass was trying to make a buck off of something he couldn't give a crap about.

Such is Life :(

[JeffreyWKramer]

First off I don't read Buffy, not that it not a good book or anything it's just not my thing.

With that said I was in the comic shop picking up my books and this guy comes in asking for the new Buffy issue. Now the girl helping him is not a comic reader ( The store mostly sell toys ) so she asks him what's so special about this book since he's buying five copies. Turns out the guys never bought a comic in his life and when I suggest that he should pick up some of the back issues they had he told me he didn't plan on reading the series, he didn't even like comic. He just wanted the book because he heard about Buffy's first lesbian scene and figured it would be worth a lot of money someday.

The way he was looking at that book like it was a golden egg made me want to backhand the yuppie prick! :evilangry

I know that this wasn't a gimmick and I have nothing bad to say about the creators, I thought it was just sad that this jackass was trying to make a buck off of something he couldn't give a crap about.

Such is Life :(

Eh, there's always some idiots out there like that, and they're always pretty much wrong, because the "heat" of these hot books almost always cools down pretty quickly. If he's smart with timing, he might make a fair profit given his limited investment, but anyone dim enough to go that route even though he doesn't know squat about comics will almost certainly hold on too long, expecting that the value of the books will continue to increase indefinitely, rather than being smart enough to sell when the book is sold out but still hot. Anyone that thinks they're going to make a mint by buying a lot of copies of a current mainstream comic is a moron.

[ultramandingo]

......... i bet the offices of wizard are packed with cases of buffy 12 - ka ching $

[drwho]

That man may have a good idea. Does buffy have her own website with a board. id be curious to know what the usual non comic readers reactions are.

[Angelus II]

That man may have a good idea. Does buffy have her own website with a board. id be curious to know what the usual non comic readers reactions are.

Here you go. http://www.buffy-boards.com/

[hangmanjury]

Eh, there's always some idiots out there like that, and they're always pretty much wrong, because the "heat" of these hot books almost always cools down pretty quickly. If he's smart with timing, he might make a fair profit given his limited investment, but anyone dim enough to go that route even though he doesn't know squat about comics will almost certainly hold on too long, expecting that the value of the books will continue to increase indefinitely, rather than being smart enough to sell when the book is sold out but still hot. Anyone that thinks they're going to make a mint by buying a lot of copies of a current mainstream comic is a moron.
Whether it's comics, toys, cards, or whatever, it's the stuff you don't ever expect to hit it big that actually do. I strongly doubt this guy will make much in the way of profit.

[Chiasm]

The only angry vitriol I would expect is from the gay community itself. Well beyond the conservative zealots that is who complain about everything but who cares about them. Given how defensive some gays are about Willow / Tara any time you suggest that Willow isn't truly gay but rather bisexual (which is what I believe given the fact she obviously loved both Xander and Oz without reservation) I can totally see some of them becoming militant if Buffy goes back to a guy now.

My take on Willow and why I say she is bisexual. All Willow wants is someone who will love her unconditionally and not betray her. When we first met Willow she was madly in love with Xander but he didn't reciprocate and instead went first to Buffy and then to Cordelia, the latter of which was a huge betrayal to Willow as evidenced by her reaction when she caught Xander and Cordelia making out. Willow turned to Oz and did fall truly in love with him but then he betrayed her as well. In walks Tara who never did anything but love Willow unconditionally and never betrayed her. And Willow loved her back. But none of that makes Willow gay to me and its sloppy writing in my mind in the post Tara's death Buffyverse to call her a lesbian. Willow could perfectly happy with anyone who was good to her and loved her. Gender is irrelevant. Thus she is bisexual.

[Exitmat]

I loved the issue.

As I read it I hated it, then thought it was hot, then hilarious. I'm interested in seeing where they go with this storyline (Buffy's personal one and the asian japanese biker gang/dracula storyline). More great stuff from Drew Goddard and Joss Whedon.

[The Xenos]

Well. That.. was nice. C'mon. Cute Asian girl has the hots for you. Can you blame her? Plus I sure the hell like this better than say Riley or some guys she was with. Though this seems more like a fling than a relationship. Oooo. It was with another woman. Whoop.

Plus.. I think the bigger surprise.. Dracula's back.

Also, Japanese vampires who seem to read too much Gothic Lolita Bible. WTF?

...I'll be in my bunk :D

lol. Nice.

[KJS1982]

Hey, if a female vampire slayer took a shine to me, I'd be in bed within seconds! Literally!

I was kinda pleased to see Dracula.

In the TV show he came off as kinda weak, and his voluntary disappearance proved he wasn't dead, so I think it's kinda cool that he would reappear.

[Teh m0nk3y]

Loved the part where Satsu and Buffy decide to keep it secret for the moment, only to have almost the entire Scooby gang walk into the room by accident. Had me laughing pretty much out loud.
Xander: "Oh Merciful Zeus!" :D


The rest of the issue was great and felt vintage Buffy.

[red-handed]

those vamps were too much
i loved it...
D: Hello Manservant
X: Hey How's It Going... Master {shame-face}
classic...
I love his return
Looking forward too see where this is going

[Hi-Fi]

Fantastic issue. The Scooby gang walking into Buffy's room was hilarious. Especially when Dawn saw what was happening through the window.

[Omega the Unknown]

well, I just dont see Buffy as being gay or bisexual.
after all this time to just "experiment" seems off to me.

I'm wondering how is this going to affect xander?
he has to think "i'm right here, and she has to experiment with forbidden love?"

oh, and please, please give xander a moment with dracula to prove he is not a "butt monkey".

[PBR]

those vamps were too much
i loved it...
D: Hello Manservant
X: Hey How's It Going... Master {shame-face}
classic...
I love his return
Looking forward too see where this is going

I hope the first panel of #13 is

X: "....bator" :D

[The Xenos]

I hope the first panel of #13 is

X: "....bator" :D

:eek: That would be brilliant!

[Teh m0nk3y]

well, I just dont see Buffy as being gay or bisexual.
after all this time to just "experiment" seems off to me.

I'm wondering how is this going to affect xander?
he has to think "i'm right here, and she has to experiment with forbidden love?"

oh, and please, please give xander a moment with dracula to prove he is not a "butt monkey".

Xander is currently wooing a different Slayer. So the guy is in no position to question whom Buffy decides to sleep with.
Secondly, Buffy using other people for sex during times of hardship is part of her history. Point being season 06 as an example.
At least Satsu doesn't only have a pulse, she's also a hundred percent human.

[Omega the Unknown]

I dont think buffy has used men THAT often, maybe once with spike?
not exactly a reoccurring flaw.

as far as xander, well he would drop that new girl in a heartbeat for his buff.

he has carried the torch for buffy so long.... he may not try anymore, but I have to believe it is still there.

of course this is from a guy who STILL hopes xander and willow end up together.

[Exitmat]

Xander hasn't been into Buffy since season 2--roughly 6 years ago. He also never showed any jealousy toward Parker, Riley (he actually was the one who tried more than anyone to save their relationship), or Spike (just disdain). Xander moved on when he started dating Cordelia, and later Anya. To me it's pretty clear from the way they've written his character over the years that he's grown out of his highschool crush on Buffy. It's possible something could one day re-light the fire he had for her, sure, but I don't think he's still holding out for her now.

[Blueferret]

Xander hasn't been into Buffy since season 2--roughly 6 years ago. He also never showed any jealousy toward Parker, Riley (he actually was the one who tried more than anyone to save their relationship), or Spike (just disdain). Xander moved on when he started dating Cordelia, and later Anya. To me it's pretty clear from the way they've written his character over the years that he's grown out of his highschool crush on Buffy. It's possible something could one day re-light the fire he had for her, sure, but I don't think he's still holding out for her now.

I was thinking the same thing. Xander to me is nothing but a big brother to Buffy at this point. Of course, he's a horny male, but as far as obsessing on Buffy, not so much.

[KJS1982]

I hope the first panel of #13 is

X: "....bator" :D

Hahaha, that would be awesome.

"Dark Prince... bator" was the pinnacle of that episode.

[Obsidian Thought]

I wasn't happy when I heard about Buffy wandering onto the other side of the tracks. I didn't like it when they did it to Willow; it's out of character to me personally and it's a cheap gimmick everyone uses now "oh let's make the character gay for the hell of it" as if it gives a character more depth... please. But I don't read it so... no skin off my nose. Buffy was through and over with her last tv episode for me. It bothers me though that they're doing that to her character.

[Angelus II]

I wasn't happy when I heard about Buffy wandering onto the other side of the tracks. I didn't like it when they did it to Willow; it's out of character to me personally and it's a cheap gimmick everyone uses now "oh let's make the character gay for the hell of it" as if it gives a character more depth... please. But I don't read it so... no skin off my nose. Buffy was through and over with her last tv episode for me. It bothers me though that they're doing that to her character.

Totally agree. Reasons like this is why I pay very little attenion to Buffy.
Don't expect Buffy to help Angel now!!!

[Exitmat]

I wasn't happy when I heard about Buffy wandering onto the other side of the tracks. I didn't like it when they did it to Willow; it's out of character to me personally and it's a cheap gimmick everyone uses now "oh let's make the character gay for the hell of it" as if it gives a character more depth... please. But I don't read it so... no skin off my nose. Buffy was through and over with her last tv episode for me. It bothers me though that they're doing that to her character.
Totally agree. Reasons like this is why I pay very little attenion to Buffy.
Don't expect Buffy to help Angel now!!!
I love how the people that don't like the storyline are the people that didn't read it.

[KJS1982]

I love how the people that don't like the storyline are the people that didn't read it.

I know. Love it too.

Maybe keeping up with the story would help to understand the reasons behind it. Jumping to conclusions isn't helping anyone.

Frankly, I don't have a problem with it.

In a world where a woman has slept with what are effectively cold, reanimated corpses, it's not that unrealistic to think she'd also resort to women in her hour of need.

Besides, it's sold comics, it's a point of interest. It's doing what the writers hoped, so good for them.

[The Xenos]

Wow. Yeah. Pretty amazing that people who don't even know the circumstances or what actually happened are complaining. Plus that line that the show ended with "with her last tv episode" is a slap in the face of the guy who made the show. With fans like these, who needs critics?

Meanwhile, I don't think Satsu would be bad if it was more than a fling, but I don't see Buffy getting involved with anyone. Though certainly I like her better than Spike. I never quite got that and moreso never got the fan following for it. Spike was cool, but I never figured him and Buffy as a couple.

[Obsidian Thought]

Maybe I was a little harsh with the statement I made about Buffy being over with her last episode. I did enjoy Buffy: The Vampire Slayer immensely, I really did and I am an admirer (never liked the word fan seeing as how it's short for fanatic). I think Buffy will do well as a comic book; there's more room to do epic storylines.

And all of you are correct, I don't know the circumstances around Buffy sleeping with a girl. But circumstances or not and I might be in the minority, I would prefer Buffy stick with men. That's just how I feel.

[The Xenos]

Actually, if you look at the actual story and dialouge, it doesn't seem like she's switching sides. The girl had a crush on her and Buffy went with it. Even Whedon in an interview after said it was more experimentation. I think it was very realistically handled and very well done. It didn't seem too suprising, at least not in hindsight.

[enkithoth]

I see a lot of arguing over the "why's," but it's seemed obvious to me that, possibly due to her f**ked-up relationship with Angel, Buffy basically humps for comfort. She becomes more and more sexual as the seasons progress. I think Spike's attempted rape clearly threw her, but this night with Satsu doesn't surprise me in the slightest. It's just the same old Buffy, taking Peaches advice and f**king the pain away.

Overall I thought it was a solid issue, with some nice Goddard humor and probably one of the most memorable moments in Buffydom (specifically the continual entry of people into the bedroom).

My problem is with what happened to the scythe. Does anyone else feel the two vampires got it rather cheaply? Sure, they're awesome and can shapeshift and stuff, but they just walked in there and took it? C'mon, the Scoobies and the Slayers have dealt with more than vampires. No warding spells, alarms...nothing? Eh, it felt too easy to me, like they just needed it to happen. Thoughts?

[Chiasm]

Plotwise the scythe has to go. Its a mini Deus Ex Machina and it would seem that future plots are going to possibly deal with deslayering of everyone but probably Buffy and Faith. Logically the scythe would be needed for that. Furthermore, its been revealed that an upcoming story arc is going to deal with Fray and we know from her history there will come a day when there was only single slayer left right before an apocolypse and we know that the scythe was lost. So I really don't have a problem with it being taken.

P.S. The spoiler in my tags doesn't give away much other than to reveal who an upcoming arc is about. I know nothing about the details of the arc.

[red-handed]

My problem is with what happened to the scythe. Does anyone else feel the two vampires got it rather cheaply? Sure, they're awesome and can shapeshift and stuff, but they just walked in there and took it? C'mon, the Scoobies and the Slayers have dealt with more than vampires. No warding spells, alarms...nothing? Eh, it felt too easy to me, like they just needed it to happen. Thoughts?

you know i was thinking the same thing... its basically a slayer castle
and no-one was able too stop three vamps...
then again that had me thinking that maybe they had some inside
help especially after seeing Drac make an appearance on the last page...
Like maybe someone was under mind control, shutting off alarms and whatnot

i also thought one of the funniest moments happened when the
Male vamp touched the scythe after Buffy was all "Okay i try
to be miss share-and-share-alike... but i really don't like it
when people touch my stuff."
the expression on his face as he was touching it was priceless..

side note why is everyone putting Fray in spoiler warnings...
every true Buffy fan know where the scythe made its first
appearance... ummm... yeah...

[Chiasm]

side note why is everyone putting Fray in spoiler warnings...
every true Buffy fan know where the scythe made its first
appearance... ummm... yeah...

Because an upcoming storyline is centered around Fray. Some might consider it a spoiler to even know that much.

[enkithoth]

Plotwise the scythe has to go. Its a mini Deus Ex Machina and it would seem that future plots are going to possibly deal with deslayering of everyone but probably Buffy and Faith.

I can't disagree with you here (not that I want to, I suppose), but I think the scythe could be used for so much more, being that it represents the feminine side of the Slayer, which is ironic, what with it being a huge spiky phallus and all. To me it seems like they haven't really learned all there is to know about the scythe, or at least what its capabilities may be. Its creators, and I forget their names at the moment, were only mentioned briefly in the series, and that just begs to be exploited, story wise.

[mgs]

not knowing much about the Buffyverse, it was a quick, little issue that treated the lesbian thing as kinda quirky and fun.

[Generic Eric]

not knowing much about the Buffyverse, it was a quick, little issue that treated the lesbian thing as kinda quirky and fun.
Lesbian Buffy thing is working out well. It has got people talking.

[Robo Ape]

Lesbian Buffy thing is working out well. It has got people talking.

And what SMG thinks about it, as well as most of the rest of the actors.

Link. (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1583923/story.jhtml)

[Generic Eric]

And what SMG thinks about it, as well as most of the rest of the actors.

Link. (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1583923/story.jhtml)

It may of killed half of Buffy's remaining audience for it too.:rolleyes:

[Exitmat]

It may of killed half of Buffy's remaining audience for it too.:rolleyes:
"It" what?

[Generic Eric]

"It" what?

Excuse me. If I have offended you. This conversation bores me because it is all controversal and stuff.:rolleyes:

[Robo Ape]

It may of killed half of Buffy's remaining audience for it too.:rolleyes:

I got the impression from that article that of the cast only Nicholas Brendan is actually following the comic series.

[Generic Eric]

I got the impression from that article that of the cast only Nicholas Brendan is actually following the comic series.

True enough. I'm not really plugged into the Buffy fan community. This series is something that I follow casually without seeing every episode and knowing the whole mythology. Buffy #12 being all controversal even got me curious what was going on and what the overall fans thought of it.

[Exitmat]

Excuse me. If I have offended you. This conversation bores me because it is all controversal and stuff.:rolleyes:

Offended? What? Where did you get that? I was just asking you to clarify your "its" because your overuse of pronouns killed all of your sentence's intended (I assume) definitive meaning. And now with your last message you're making even less sense.

What planet are you on?

I got the impression from that article that of the cast only Nicholas Brendan is actually following the comic series.And Seth Green.

I'm actually kind of surprised SMG didn't know about the comic as her husband, Freddy Prince, is reportedly a pretty big comic nerd.

[tangentman]

All I've got to say is this: Amber Benson's bangs killed! :)

[Robo Ape]

True enough. I'm not really plugged into the Buffy fan community. This series is something that I follow casually without seeing every episode and knowing the whole mythology. Buffy #12 being all controversal even got me curious what was going on and what the overall fans thought of it.

What's almost as interesting from the article is to see who didn't appear. I thought when this event was orginally announced that there was more of the cast listed to appear?

[Generic Eric]

What planet are you on?

I really should proof read my posts.:) I did not know what 'it' you were talking about when you posted. Live and learn.:rolleyes:

[JohnQRotten]

People just need to chill. I knew plenty of girls that went lesbian in college for a little while and then went back. I personally thought they would go that way for Willow but I think they were worried that too many people would scream that it was dishonoring the memory of Tara. I think Buffy just wants attention and is willing to take it from anybody (see Buffy and Spike in Season 6). Besides who could understand Buffy better than another Slayer?

[Charles RB]

My favourite cast reaction:

Buffy's getting some action?" Gellar asked. "Nice, good for her."

WIN. :D

[Robo Ape]

People just need to chill. I knew plenty of girls that went lesbian in college for a little while and then went back. I personally thought they would go that way for Willow but I think they were worried that too many people would scream that it was dishonoring the memory of Tara. I think Buffy just wants attention and is willing to take it from anybody (see Buffy and Spike in Season 6). Besides who could understand Buffy better than another Slayer?

Willow should never go back & their isn't any reason why she should do after all just because she started off straight doesn't mean she has to go back there. It also has the bonus of giving her character an extra dimension.

These days they seem to be portraying Willow in an almost 'goddess' fashion as she often seems to be so powerful that they keep having to put her out of the story otherwise she would just end up as an easy solution to every dramatic problem.

[CrossoverManiac]

I don't give a rat's ass about Whedon's attempt at fan service. I want to see more badass transmogrifying vampires.