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Crimson

03-05-2008, 02:36 AM

I'm so confused. When the game came out Bendis said we wouldn't get an adaption... and yet here we are two and a bit years after and now we are.

Oh and now it fits in like it was meant to when it came out two years ago?

Somewhere along the line something has gone wrong, surely. I mean why would you create a tie-in (in the hopes of bringing in new readers) that wouldn't tie-in for 2 years.

ThePhenom

03-05-2008, 04:28 AM

Whoops, double post...

ThePhenom

03-05-2008, 04:28 AM

Symbiote War :D. That's all that needs to be said...

The return of Gwen-Carnage, not so great...

Ramirez IV

03-05-2008, 04:35 AM

I'm happy to see Gwen back in any way, shape or form, however red and... disgusting. This is going to be amazing.

Billy Parker

03-05-2008, 05:00 AM

Somewhere along the line something has gone wrong, surely.

LET THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS BEGIN!! (Forgot to say that in my first post, teehee!)

carabas

03-05-2008, 05:08 AM

Crimson

03-05-2008, 05:41 AM

It seems pretty straightforward...
The game is in continuity. However, not everybody plays games (or some who do couldn't even get past the first of those bleeding annoying Human torch races and returned the game unfinished to the rental place), so if you want to use Venom again, you kinda have to explain what's happened to him when he was out in pixel-land.

It seems odd to me you advertise something as a tie in, only for it to tie in 2 years later. It just seems to me like, somewhere a few continuity slips made it not fit, and now Bendis is making it so it'll fit in fine.

I can't imagine anyone "oking" an attempt to bring new readers in (which they were hoping for) so far after the initial release. Everyone I knew who bought the game and don't read comics, barely had the energy to google Ultimate Spider-Man, let along pay enough attention to know it'll tie into the comics now.

I'm not complaining, I just would be interesting to know if this was the orignal plan.

And I seem to remember Bendis saying we wouldn't get a comic book adaption in one of his Q and As... most likely because I asked the question.

LET THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS BEGIN!! (Forgot to say that in my first post, teehee!)

It's not complaining.

xnef1025

03-05-2008, 05:53 AM

Nothing has gone wrong. He said the game adaptation portions are flashbacks. So he's just going to explain exactly where the game actually fits in to answer the continuity questions(eg. Silver Sable) that cropped up after the game was released.

Adapting the game may not have been Bendis' call. He may have just wanted to do Symbiote War as a sequel to the game, but one of the editors decided he needed to add the game adaptation flashback so readers that didn't play the game won't be lost. No company ever wants to come right out and say an editor chose path 'x' for a story though now days due to fanboys screaming "EDITORIALLY MANDATED SUXORS WAHHHHH!!" all over the internet regardless of if the editor made the right call or not.

carabas

03-05-2008, 06:38 AM

I can't imagine anyone "oking" an attempt to bring new readers in (which they were hoping for) so far after the initial release. Everyone I knew who bought the game and don't read comics, barely had the energy to google Ultimate Spider-Man, let along pay enough attention to know it'll tie into the comics now.It's not about gamers who don't read comics, it's about comics readers who don't game.
Venom had some development in the game. According to you the game can't be referenced for some reason in the actual book. So by your reasoning basically Venom has now become entirely unusable as a character in the Ultimate Spider-Man book.
And that just is wrong.

Gloom Cookie

03-05-2008, 07:10 AM

I want him to bring back Jessica Drew.

Punkrawk

03-05-2008, 08:31 AM

Haven't we already covered this in previous issues? I am not sure what he is hoping to add to the story.

Venom - Ultimate Spider-Man #33-39
Carnage - Ultimate Spider-Man #60-71
Clones - Ultimate Spider-Man #97-105

Video game Summary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Spider-Man_(video_game)

Gloom Cookie

03-05-2008, 08:35 AM

Not everyone has played the game. Venom didn't have the white spider on his costume the last time they showed him, either, yet he has it in Ultimates 3. This would at least explain where he's been and why he has it.

rwsmith

03-05-2008, 09:12 AM

Sounds pretty cool to me. I'll check it out.

CMBMOOL

03-05-2008, 09:32 AM

ultimate hulk

03-05-2008, 09:37 AM

I want him to bring back Jessica Drew.

i think bendis is overated.
he screwed up big time by bringing back freaking gewn stacy.
i don't like spiderman at all,but bringing people back from the dead is just too stupid.
is jessica drew dead? then let her stay freaking dead.:D

Crimson

03-05-2008, 09:41 AM

It's not about gamers who don't read comics, it's about comics readers who don't game.
Venom had some development in the game. According to you the game can't be referenced for some reason in the actual book. So by your reasoning basically Venom has now become entirely unusable as a character in the Ultimate Spider-Man book.
And that just is wrong.

I didn't say that. Didn't say that at all.

I'm just saying when it came out Bendis said we wouldn't get an adaption. We'd get follow ups to it because it takes place in the continuity but that is... its changed. I'd just be interested to know why.

carabas

03-05-2008, 09:41 AM

he screwed up big time by bringing back freaking gewn stacy. Too early to tell, but it's kinda doubtful that that really is Gwen stacy, just something that looks like her.

is jessica drew dead? then let her stay freaking dead.Well, she isn't dead. She just ran off.

spiderman_rj

03-05-2008, 11:28 AM

the venom spider logo was just to please the fanboys, bendis idea was to the suit be what is was a suit. in the game the logo made no sense at all,so venom absorve carnage,and all of sudenly he got a spider on the chest ? WTF !!
plus peter didnt know sable in the game,neither in the comic,so was he brainwashed ?
the game play no part at all in continuity.

Ultimate Interpol

03-05-2008, 11:45 AM

the venom spider logo was just to please the fanboys, bendis idea was to the suit be what is was a suit. in the game the logo made no sense at all,so venom absorve carnage,and all of sudenly he got a spider on the chest ? WTF !!

The venom suit was unstable until it got all of the venom cells from peter, once brock got them he's on 'in control'. Looking back when brock first made contact with the suit, he tried to make it form into Spider-Man's black suit, but then it got out of hand. Once he absorbed SpiderCarnage he became stable once again making the spider symbol appear. Because the original idea was to make it into Spidey's black suit. IMO.

The Sable thing is still wtf, bendis could just change it into being Elektra the whole time.:D

Billy Parker

03-05-2008, 01:01 PM

I am not sure what he is hoping to add to the story.

Uh that's what storyteling is.

i think bendis is overated.
he screwed up big time by bringing back freaking gewn stacy.

She hasn't been brought back yet (officially) but it seems like she will be.

This is going to be awesome stuff in USM.

Sonicjuce

03-05-2008, 01:22 PM

i think bendis is overated.
he screwed up big time by bringing back freaking gewn stacy.
i don't like spiderman at all,but bringing people back from the dead is just too stupid.
is jessica drew dead? then let her stay freaking dead.:D

Do you read the book? Doesn't sound like it...

Gwen was brought back as Carnage. We don't really know anything about it. Is she a clone of Gwen? Seems to be if I recall and she just dissapeared.

Jessica Drew is not dead.

Ultimate Hulk is a cry baby... Sorry I just had too...

ultimate hulk

03-05-2008, 02:16 PM

Do you read the book? Doesn't sound like it...

Gwen was brought back as Carnage. We don't really know anything about it. Is she a clone of Gwen? Seems to be if I recall and she just dissapeared.

Jessica Drew is not dead.

Ultimate Hulk is a cry baby... Sorry I just had too...

i don't like spiderman at all,what part in that don't you get.
but we all know bendis messed up,when he killed of the gwen chick.
so he pulled a cheat and brought her back as carnage,when carnage was supposedly dump in lava pipe,i think?
and yes i'm crybaby,but only from bad writing.:D

carabas

03-05-2008, 03:15 PM

but we all know bendis messed up,when he killed of the gwen chick.That he did.
so he pulled a cheat and brought her back as carnage,That remains to be seen. At least whatever it is in that SHIELD detention cell is not Gwen Stacy.
when carnage was supposedly dump in lava pipe,i think?There was more than one Carnage-specimen. Ultimate Ben Reilly stole some. Also, how is it that you know so much about this Gwen/Carnage composite when the story arc dealing with this hasn't even been started yet?

We R. Venom

03-05-2008, 03:34 PM

Great interview, and that One more day joke made me laugh...out loud, yes. But anyway, Ultimate Spidey is great and so is Bendis.

Prime24

03-05-2008, 03:48 PM

Bendis and this title can do no wrong. ult. spidey is miles ahead of his 616 counterpart and his freak of the week show (menace was downright cheesy). My only gripes with the book are

1)peter parker needs an arch nemesis now that osborn has kicked the bucket. he needs someone like smallville's version of lex luthor who does not have powers but is out to get him.

2)bendis needs to calm down on making all the chicks in the book have superpowers;

Mary jane - some sort of goblin (demogoblin?)

Gwen stacy - carnage

Kitty Pryde- mutant

Jessica Drew- Spider-woman

Liz Allen - firestar

Who's next jessica jones?

Apart from these, i've got nothin but love for this title

carabas

03-05-2008, 04:11 PM

1)peter parker needs an arch nemesis now that osborn has kicked the bucket. he needs someone like smallville's version of lex luthor who does not have powers but is out to get him.You mean someone like Wilson Fisk?

Joe Acro

03-05-2008, 04:21 PM

Them actually officially putting the game in continuity makes things... problematic.

ZT4

03-05-2008, 07:17 PM

Brock's sicko attitude will see Carnage as a kindred spirit, so possibly an offer to be his mate (we know he has an attraction to her from a previous embarrasing incident at his campus where she flat out rejected him based on age differentials), causes Gwen to be so repulsed, that she snaps and attacks him.

...I cant imagine telling my son Ultimate Venom is having wittle Symbiotes with Carnage when the only one he knows is a man. Seriously fucked up stuff if Bendis goes where I think he's going.

As for MJ's "Ultimate Demogoblin" persona, I think Bendis is trying to use it as sparingly as possible...if at all. That is what happens when you overwork a writer

HeckBoy

03-05-2008, 07:24 PM

It's been awhile since I've read the Clone Saga so I completely forgot about Carnage-Gwen Stacy still being around. Up until being reminded about her just now, I had it in my head that she died like the faux-Richard Parker clone.

Anyway, I would've liked if the original hadn't been killed off in the first place. Just once, I'd like to see Gwen alive and well in some ongoing adaptation of the Spidey mythos (altered realities/cameos aside). I guess I'll have to look to the new cartoon (as well as Spider-Man Loves Mary-Jane if/when it ever comes back) if I'm gonna want to see some alive Gwen action.

DeREk FrEEsT

03-05-2008, 07:53 PM

Toboe

03-05-2008, 07:58 PM

Sounds interesting, I'm glad he's gonna include the game story as flashbacks, since not all of us could play the game or at least long enough to get past the extremely annoying Human Torch race... I'm curious about his plans for Gwen Stacy as Carnage. I'm not a fan of the idea but there must be something to it.

2)bendis needs to calm down on making all the chicks in the book have superpowers;

Mary jane - some sort of goblin (demogoblin?)

Gwen stacy - carnage

Kitty Pryde- mutant

Jessica Drew- Spider-woman

Liz Allen - firestar

Who's next jessica jones?

Apart from these, i've got nothin but love for this title

It's been bothering me as well. I don't feel like there was any need to turn MJ into hairy goblin and Gwen into Carnage, it just doesn't feel right.

Liz Allen as Firestar is awesome, though.

DeREk FrEEsT

03-05-2008, 08:04 PM

Prime24

Jessica Jones is already in USM she's goth editor of Midtown High's newspaper.

HeckBoy

03-05-2008, 08:10 PM

Prime24

Jessica Jones is already in USM she's goth editor of Midtown High's newspaper.I think Prime [jokingly] mentioned her in regards to whether or not she'd get any powers like how all the other female characters are seemingly getting some.

spidervenom

03-05-2008, 09:06 PM

Hey even I own the Ultimate Spider-man video game and I'm excited to see it coming into the comic in some way shape or form. :)

I mean just because the game is there, doesn't mean that it's can't be a little different in the comics right ? :(

yeah, I guess. But from what Im hearing maybe they'll tie that loose end from the game when The Beatle took that sandman sample.

HaroldAllnut

03-05-2008, 10:20 PM

Hearing that made BMB fall a few notches in my book. He's proven that he could write Ultimate Spidey... and he's stooping to a vid game tie-in? Ugh. :mad:

Joe Acro

03-05-2008, 10:56 PM

I'm amazed no one has brought up the sliver sable incident that makes it COMPLETLY COMPLEX to bring into continuity.
Well, not in this thread, anyway.

togeteiku42

03-05-2008, 11:00 PM

All Bendis has to do is make little tiny changes from the game to make it fit in continuity. It's not that big of a deal. There are far bigger continuity errors than the ones created by this game.

As for myself, I'm way excited for this arc. The game was what introduced me to Ultimate Spider-man, and got me reading comics in general.

ZT4

03-05-2008, 11:58 PM

Hearing that made BMB fall a few notches in my book. He's proven that he could write Ultimate Spidey... and he's stooping to a vid game tie-in? Ugh. :mad:

The video game was meant to be in continuity at some point when he developed it.

bbmakdaddycomics

03-06-2008, 02:53 AM

I want him to bring back Jessica Drew.

me too, oh man, me too.

bbmakdaddycomics

03-06-2008, 03:13 AM

remember when brock tried to make a pass at gwen, that would play an essential role in carnage vs venom.

Nick MB

03-06-2008, 10:33 AM

Sounds like they'll be inserting the events of the game (or similar events, anyway) as a flashback continuity insert, like they did with the Sandman just before Ultimate Six, then pressing on with a present day storyline. Which works for me.

Sonicjuce

03-06-2008, 10:43 AM

Them actually officially putting the game in continuity makes things... problematic.

The whole Ultimate universe continuity is problematic already and has been for a long time now.

I'm actually surprised more people don't complain about that fact...

Crimson

03-06-2008, 10:52 AM

The whole Ultimate universe continuity is problematic already and has been for a long time now.

I'm actually surprised more people don't complain about that fact...

Which reminds me... we never did get Spider-Man mentioning the fight from Ultimates 2 like Bendis said we would.

I'm guessing that was just forgotten after the huge delays.

Netley

03-06-2008, 11:14 AM

I want him to bring back Jessica Drew.

Yeah, I'm really looking foward to when he brings her back! What a great twist on the character (name) for the Ultimate U!

And I'm also stoked for this upcoming arc. I don't play video games, so when the game came out and was supposed to be in continuity, I felt like I was missing some of the overall narrative of Ultimate Spidey (especially since Bendis wrote the game!) But now I get to see what I missed! From the tidbits you guys are mentioning, it sounds like some interesting stuff went down in the game (though I guess not the Human Torch race or whatever haha).

carabas

03-06-2008, 11:54 AM

The whole Ultimate universe continuity is problematic already and has been for a long time now.

I'm actually surprised more people don't complain about that fact...I'm not. The whole Ultimate line is more or less aimed at people who do not really care as much about the minutiae of continuity the way the average Chris Claremont devote does.

Ultimate Interpol

03-06-2008, 12:17 PM

The whole Ultimate universe continuity is problematic already and has been for a long time now.

I'm actually surprised more people don't complain about that fact...

People don't because it's mostly the Ultimates fault, the book took to long to complete so other writers couldn't really add it too their story. Check out how Kirkman noted the Sex tape in UXM #91. When Books come out monthly there is less of a chance of making mistakes and allows other books to acknowlege each other events.

Young Avenger

03-06-2008, 12:47 PM

I'm amazed no one has brought up the sliver sable incident that makes it COMPLETLY COMPLEX to bring into continuity. What also is an issue if the games brought into continuity is that we'll have 2 versions of the sentinal's creator. One who died recently in ultimate X-men. The other who's old in the USM game and is supposedly responsible for Peter's family's death.

Its not actually. Last time we see Sliver Sable in the game she got hit in the head pretty hard. You chalk that up to minimal memory loss.

The Lavetera thing is also an issue since the beetle is supposedly from that area. So there's lots of things that'll have to be taken out or fixed because bendis really wasn't writing the game and the book as though they would connect with each other.

That doesn't have to do with Venom or Carnage so it doesn't need to be brought up. Yes, Bendis did write the game.

Hearing that made BMB fall a few notches in my book. He's proven that he could write Ultimate Spidey... and he's stooping to a vid game tie-in? Ugh. :mad:

Bendis wrote game and it was always in continuity. I don't see it as a bad thing.

Billy Parker

03-06-2008, 01:10 PM

That video game USM was awesome!! Has that been said yet? 'Cause it was!!!

spiderman_rj

03-06-2008, 01:26 PM

Young Avenger

03-06-2008, 04:16 PM

I thought the game was ok. I didn't like the fact that the developers dumb down everything that made Spider-Man 2 great.

megabyte01

03-07-2008, 09:13 PM

no it wasnt,it was boring.....the races were anoying,the boss fights were all the same thing....persue and fight, i liked the jokes inserted in the game,but it was empty,and i hated that we only did one web strand ( i can understand how the made it easier for most people),and it was seriously flawed...you could stick to a wall like peter parker,and everyone just ignores you....meh.could at least make a mission failed as they recognize your face.

and so what silver got hit in the head,we are not talking about her forgetting it,but peter....in the game he never met her.....in the comics too.

the game was not without its problems. Its chase levels were unforgiving, its collection sub missions were a flawed way to lengthen the gameplay, and many elements did not integrate with the core game, such as the venom levels and beetle's involvement in the plot. The core of the game's frustration was its difficult web slinging mechanic. Once you mastered it, and using the spider sense to stay out of harm's way, you would be able to get through it and enjoy yourself. The problem is the developers did not do enough beta testing on its core demographic, casual gamers, to ensure they would be able to play through the game and succeed at a reasonable rate. In fact, if you look through the extras section after finishing the game, you can see telltale signs that this game was rushed, as many games are in order to make their ship dates.

The one aspect the game succeeded at was its presentation. The game excelled at giving you the freedom to swing anywhere in New York and do what spider-man does, and it was actually better when you could take your time and explore without rushing through to the end. This game, more than any other spider-man game before it, had the ability to bring its world to life in a way that worked well for both gamers and comic book fans. To tell you the truth, this game got me interested in USM in the first place and I now have the collection sitting on my bookshelf.

IAMFuzzy

03-08-2008, 10:54 AM

To tell you the truth, this game got me interested in USM in the first place and I now have the collection sitting on my bookshelf.
I had the exact same experience.

togeteiku42

03-08-2008, 11:04 AM

I had the exact same experience.

seems like it's happened a lot. looks like the game did it's job.

hunter_peterson

03-13-2008, 10:20 PM

Wow, the same experience for me. But, despite loving the game, I am 100% certain that it's not in continuity. There's just too many problems, and Bendis says that the arc will be an adaptation of the game, effectively stating that the spirit of the game will be preserved, not the game's status ias inclusive in continuity.

That said, I reeeeeeeally want the Beetle plot to be featured. The way the game had Venom segments and Peter segments was fantastic, and I actually think that would work very well int the comic. The addition of Gwarnage complicates things, though.

Is it sick that when the arc was announced that the mental image of Ultimate Venom making out with Ultimate Carnage popped into my head?

Yeah. I think that's sick.