Has Nova already saved Conquest for you?

[RazaCosmica]

Like others here I've been somewhat dissapointed with Conquest, specifically the pacing, but the extra content from the Nova series, particularly Cosmo and the Annual, have more than made up for the weaker aspects of the event. Despite not being branded as Conquest, except for the Annual, has all the extra Nova goodness helped solidify the event for others as well?

[DaeJi]

Conquest is fine. True, it's not up to the original's standard, but it's still a good story none the less. Had the first Annihilation never happened, less people would be complaining. But yeah, Nova is a stronger book, though it doesn't save Conquest for me, since I don't see that Conquest needs saving.

[Comet Man]

Personally, I'm loving Conquest almost as much as Annihilation. I just think after Annihilation, we're all expecting way too much, since it was so excellent and set the bar so high.

Nova is fantastic though, and I think it's providing some sweet, sweet lagniappe for Conquest that's just fortifying it even more as a great major event that has nothing to do with Earth for now, but could, if the heroes fail in stopping it.

[freddy1428]

I find conquest really great, and I don't think Nova save the crossover, they do an amazing job in all the mini and the event, I really love Nova in the same way that Annihilation Conquest.

[StoneGold]

I don't know, I hated those filler issues in between when Nova escaped Gamora and Drax, and when they caught up to him.

[XPac]

I can't say Nova has saved Conquest... it seems somewhat seperate from the main story, to the point where I don't think one necessariy compensates for the other.

I will say that Nova is an overall fun solid book. There was one point where I sort of wished the book would pick up a bit, but it did so it's all good.

[Zero Hunter]

I don't know, I hated those filler issues in between when Nova escaped Gamora and Drax, and when they caught up to him.

They really aren't filler issues since they set up alot of stuff for the upcoming Guardians fo the Galaxy series that comes out after Conquest.

[mightiness]

Conquest has been great. Nova has been just as great.

[Alex Smith]

Star-lord saves conquest for me. Pretty much everytime he shows up a moment of hilarity comes with. Truthfully I've been diggin every part of Conquest so far except for Quasar's story line. The rest as been great.

[XPac]

Star-lord saves conquest for me. Pretty much everytime he shows up a moment of hilarity comes with. Truthfully I've been diggin every part of Conquest so far except for Quasar's story line. The rest as been great.

Yeah, I gotta give my props to Starlord too. If anything raised the bar for the entire Conquest event, it was Starlord. Certainly the character himself, but especially the mini. It's a shame Giffen couldn't contribute to Annihilation more than that. It's a definate highlight of the entire event so far.

[Baltho08]

So we all, with the exception of Daeji, agree that Quasar is the weak point of this thing? Okay, then, good; she is. This event started off weak, but has picked up, of late, especially w/ issue #4. I say we wait until the thing is over before we judge. Phyla isn't as good a Quasar as Wendell; Ultron isn't as good a villain as Kang or Annihilus; still, we should see what they do w/ it before we judge it.
Peace.

[XPac]

So we all, with the exception of Daeji, agree that Quasar is the weak point of this thing? Okay, then, good; she is. This event started off weak, but has picked up, of late, especially w/ issue #4. I say we wait until the thing is over before we judge. Phyla isn't as good a Quasar as Wendell; Ultron isn't as good a villain as Kang or Annihilus; still, we should see what they do w/ it before we judge it.
Peace.

I actually thought Wraith was the weakest point of Conquest. Phyla comes in second place.

[StoneGold]

I actually thought Wraith was the weakest point of Conquest. Phyla comes in second place.

Gotta agree. Although the Nova fill-ins were kind of crap as well. Really, the only one that didn't suck even partially was Star-Lord.

[Comet Man]

I loved the Wraith mini series, and I want to see more of him; hopefully in Guardians.

[RazaCosmica]

In terms of content, last time around we were treated to 28 issues of Annihilation, if you include Heralds of Galactus, the Nova Corps Files, the recap book, and What If. This time we're getting 29 issues of Conquest, if you factor in Nova 8-12 plus the Annual. As a long time fan of cosmic Marvel I'm thankful for all of these books and the fact that Guardians of the Galaxy is on the horizon.

[Expletive Deleted]

Yeah, I thought Wraith was the weakest link, too. Nice art, but it never really hooked me. Starlord was easily the best of the lot. Nova and Quasar were somewhere in the middle.

The main series itself . . . it's a mixed bag. Art-wise, I like Raney's pencils, but I really don't like D'Armata's colors. Story-wise, there are a lot of neat elements, but there's something missing. It's not . . . epic. And not just because it's not a big, flashy event like Annihilation. There's stuff happening, but I'm not getting the same urgent, "this is important" vibe that I got from the previous event.

[DaeJi]

Yeah, I thought Wraith was the weakest link, too. Nice art, but it never really hooked me. Starlord was easily the best of the lot. Nova and Quasar were somewhere in the middle.

The main series itself . . . it's a mixed bag. Art-wise, I like Raney's pencils, but I really don't like D'Armata's colors. Story-wise, there are a lot of neat elements, but there's something missing. It's not . . . epic. And not just because it's not a big, flashy event like Annihilation. There's stuff happening, but I'm not getting the same urgent, "this is important" vibe that I got from the previous event.

ED seems to be running on the same wave lenght as me. Except that I think Nova was the strongest of the lead-ins, with Quasar and Starlord taking up second and Wraith bring up the rear. Starlord was good, but I found it to be pretty slow and a lot of build up for kind of a fizzle of an ending.

[The Adventurer]

Nova has easily been the stronger title over Conquest. Which stinks because Annihilation really knocked it out of the park and I had high hopes for Conquest. Granted, Conquest is not BAD, its better then 90% of Marvel's other current output. But it isn't quite at the level of Annihilation. Honestly, its feeling more and more like a set up mini-series to launch Guardians of the Galaxy. Which is cool, because that title should rock face (I mean, Rocket Racoon AND Cosmo? In the same title? My god. It's full of STARS)


Anyway, in all honesty? I think Conquest is suffering form not having Andy Schmidt (and maybe Giffen too) at the helm, though I do think Dan Abnett is a fantastic storyteller mind and Bill Rosemann seems like a good guy. Its just not the same kind of chemistry it seems.

[40yearoldnovafan]

I've been enjoying Nova, most of all. I don't think Nova has had any "filler issues." It's just that DnA are trying not to tie Nova down completely to Annihilation and Conquest. So, although Nova has been affected by Conquest in the "filler issues" DnA are telling other great Nova sci fi stories. (At least I think they are great).

Now, I don't think Conquest is anywhere near as good as Annihilation, but I still think it's good. There was just so much greatness in the first, that it's hard to top. I am enjoying Conquest far more than Civil War and One More Day.

Jimmy

[The Adventurer]

Exactly, every issue doesn't have to deal with some big "event" ramifications (in this case Conquest). That's exactly the reason I hate 90% of Marvel, everything needs to tie into the current yearly event (House of Civil World War One More Invasion!) it seems.

[DaeJi]

Nova has easily been the stronger title over Conquest. Which stinks because Annihilation really knocked it out of the park and I had high hopes for Conquest. Granted, Conquest is not BAD, its better then 90% of Marvel's other current output. But it isn't quite at the level of Annihilation.

I think this is Conquest greatest problem. It isn't at the same level. It's still good, but it's not up to Annihilation standard. Probably because the story is less epic and more personal, and the threat isn't as pressing since this is after the war. I like Conquest, and it's a great story, but I like Annihilation better. Annihilation felt like a great moment in cosmic history, a turning point where the rules changed, while Conquest feels like an affect of that. Which it is....

[XPac]

Nova has easily been the stronger title over Conquest. Which stinks because Annihilation really knocked it out of the park and I had high hopes for Conquest. Granted, Conquest is not BAD, its better then 90% of Marvel's other current output. But it isn't quite at the level of Annihilation. Honestly, its feeling more and more like a set up mini-series to launch Guardians of the Galaxy. Which is cool, because that title should rock face (I mean, Rocket Racoon AND Cosmo? In the same title? My god. It's full of STARS)


Anyway, in all honesty? I think Conquest is suffering form not having Andy Schmidt (and maybe Giffen too) at the helm, though I do think Dan Abnett is a fantastic storyteller mind and Bill Rosemann seems like a good guy. Its just not the same kind of chemistry it seems.

That's a good point. In addition to whatever Andy did as an editor, I think having him on the boards communicating with us actually helped me appreiate the first Annihilation a lot. And obviously things are different when a different writer is involved. I think a lot of people felt Starlord was the best part of Annihilation... can't help but wonder what Conquest would have been like had Giffen write it instead of Dna.

Perhaps calling this event Annihilation hurt it somewhat since it raised a lot of people's expectations... people were expecting something similiar to the first. And that's not exatly what we ended up getting.

[StoneGold]

I've been enjoying Nova, most of all. I don't think Nova has had any "filler issues."

When the last issue has our hero barely escaping from his friends-turned enemies, and them chasing after him, and then the next couple issues feature space zombies and a talking dog with a Russian accent, it's either filler so the fight doesn't happen before the mini, or just really, really bad pacing.

[XPac]

I think this is Conquest greatest problem. It isn't at the same level. It's still good, but it's not up to Annihilation standard. Probably because the story is less epic and more personal, and the threat isn't as pressing since this is after the war. I like Conquest, and it's a great story, but I like Annihilation better. Annihilation felt like a great moment in cosmic history, a turning point where the rules changed, while Conquest feels like an affect of that. Which it is....

I think another potential problem is that people might be comparing it to Sinestro Corps.

In the same way people naturally compared Infinate Crisis to Civil War because the DC and Marvel events somewhat overlaped, I think a lot of people compared Sinestro Corps to Conquest. It's that natural DC vs Marvel rivalry.

Sinestro Corps, like Annihilation, provided the equivalent of a big buget summer action block buster event. By comparrison, Conquest almost ended up looking like a chick flick.

[40yearoldnovafan]

Exactly, every issue doesn't have to deal with some big "event" ramifications (in this case Conquest). That's exactly the reason I hate 90% of Marvel, everything needs to tie into the current yearly event (House of Civil World War One More Invasion!) it seems.

Marvel has "evented" me to death. One of the great things about the cosmic event is this - the only Marvel on-going title affected by these two events has been Nova (who was in limbo prior to Annihilation). Conquest did not force dramatic events to affect Marvel proper. Conquest did not make Peter Parker reveal his identity and then make a deal with the devil. It did not assist in the death of Cap or the break up of the Fantastic Four. Annihilation and Conquest only affected a Marvel world which was in limbo. Annihilation was brilliant, but not all encompassing. Conquest is good, but only affects the cosmic heroes.

I am tired of nearly all of Marvel's titles being taken over by one or two events. When I read Astonishing X-men, I want to read what Whedon and Cassady have planned for the team. If I read Iron Man, I don't want it to be "Agent of Shield" due to Civil War.

These all encompassing events have taken away Marvel's writers ability to tell great and independent stories. And this is what I hate the most.

Jimmy

[40yearoldnovafan]

When the last issue has our hero barely escaping from his friends-turned enemies, and them chasing after him, and then the next couple issues feature space zombies and a talking dog with a Russian accent, it's either filler so the fight doesn't happen before the mini, or just really, really bad pacing.
I still loved the stories. And I loved that they were not tied to the event. Many fans did not want all of Nova's stories to be tied to events. When Nova came back to Earth some fans did not like that his story was attached to "The Initiative."

Some fans wanted to see that Nova could survive without being tied to all the events. He went from Annihilation, to The Initiative, and then to Conquest. The more independent stories were fine with me and others. Numerous fans have even fallen in love with the main character from the "filler" issues. Can you say Cosmo?

I have seen many filler issues over many years of comic reading. But I will say this, my comic reading friend. If these were filler issues, I wish other comics had filler issues as good as these. I've seen filler issues that I considered stinkers. And they were in no way related to the main stories. They just came out of no where (NO PUN INTENDED). For example, months ago I was reading a Superman storyline which dealt with the future (Camelot). And right in the middle of the story line, theres a Joker story, a Jimmy Olsen story, and a story about hell. I thought I had missed issues and the end of the Camelot story line. Nova's stories have been related. He's still been on his quest, but got sucked, literally, into a different galaxy while on his quest.

Jimmy

[Zero Hunter]

When the last issue has our hero barely escaping from his friends-turned enemies, and them chasing after him, and then the next couple issues feature space zombies and a talking dog with a Russian accent, it's either filler so the fight doesn't happen before the mini, or just really, really bad pacing.

But like I said all that stuff with the talking dog and the Celsitial head are leading into the Guardians of the Galaxy book the DnA are writing. I see it as them just setting this stuff up now so that they don't have to waste time when the GotG books launchs so it can come out guns blazing.

[Will.S]

I don't know if Nova SAVED Conquest but I think the book certainly made it better by involving him, Drax & Gamora. On the other hand I think Nova still being infected by the virus has pretty much run its course so I'd like to have him back to normal at this point.

[z0mbie_aut0pil0t]

Nova is the best book period.

[stingerman]

Like others here I've been somewhat dissapointed with Conquest, specifically the pacing, but the extra content from the Nova series, particularly Cosmo and the Annual, have more than made up for the weaker aspects of the event. Despite not being branded as Conquest, except for the Annual, has all the extra Nova goodness helped solidify the event for others as well?

Nova, yes. Also, Star-Lord.

My problem with conquest and most of the minis is it seems like nothing is happening. Just read the last issue of each. Slow pacing, for some reason. I dont know if it ties into Secret Invasion or what. I think it kinda sucked for Conquest -for Ultron to be in Mighty Avengers at the same time (our time).

[stingerman]

Found this at Marvel.com http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2727.State_of_the_Marvel_Universe?:

-April sees the double-sized conclusion to ANNIHILATION: CONQUEST, and Bill Rosemann warned that fans who haven't been reading the regular NOVA series may want to track down the last couple issues which set up key elements for the event's conclusion. With the return of Warlock in the pages of NOVA, Rosemann wondered aloud, "What's up with Adam Warlock and Warlock coming into the same event?

[Mysterio's Helmet]

I'm of the opinion that Nova has pretty much been isolated in a way from Conquest. So....no, Nova hasn't saved Conquest.

Conquest has yet to be finished but I can't get into it. And I really, really enjoyed Starlord. But I don't think it's any one thing that has made me indifferent to Conquest. It's just a mishmash of problems that have lent itself to the overall "meh" factor coming from it.

Super Ultron. Pacing. Lacking heroes. And living in the shadows of Annihilation and Sinestro War all has tag teamed this title. When people say it's not bad...theyr'e right. But it's not good. And something that is mediocre is in a lot of ways worse than anything else devised.

And I've really enjoyed Rich and his travels in Nova so far. Totally separate even though it's connected. Does that even make sense?

[The Adventurer]

Lacking heroes.

Wait... what?

Starlord, Rocket Racoon, Groot, Mantis, Captain Universe, Ronan, Phayla, Moondragon, Wraith, Warlock, Super-Skrull, (technically Drax, Gamora, and Blastar probably count too.)


So... what? What lack of Heroes?


Anyway, something that has bugged me throughout the series is the apparent inconstancy with the ability of the Phalanx to infect biologicals. In the main series, it seems all you have to do is come in contact to get infected by the virus and you get circuitry eyes and are made a select. But in Wraith they were sticking heavy equipment into Super-Skrull and Ronan to get them to convert. And in Star-Lord there are thousands of Kree still going about their semi-normal lives on Hala, which struck me as very odd, you'd think they'd all be infected by this point and part of the collective. Its those kinds of things that have been bugging me about the editorial side of things of Conquest.

[Mysterio's Helmet]

Yes. They're lacking heroes. :rolleyes:


No. Reread it another way. I've found most of the heroes chosen for this ice capade really lacking.. Wraith, Phylla, and even Ronan and K'lrt come across as really not all that great to read this time around. I'm not rooting for anybody. Maybe Starlord and his gang. But really....even then I wouldn't be at a loss.

And in some cases I'm hoping for a little funeral pyre...........

Ok, I couldn't resist. LOL

[LungerTony]

I've been enjoying Conquest. It's a great story. Just that Annhilation was an amazing story. Probably one of the best purely cosmic stories in MU history. So Conquest has the unenviable position of trying to try to deliver the same punch as its immediate predecessor.
I guess there aren't as many cape-waving superhero-type of heroes in Conquest?

[Comet Man]

I don't really hear people saying it's just "not bad", I'm hearing them say it's very good, but maybe not as good as Annihilation, which just about all comics out right now aren't either.

Also, it's not finished yet, which is a pretty important detail.

Anyway, just as stingerman pointed out, it sounds like a lot of exciting stuff is being born out of this cosmic event, and I can't wait.

[gorthon616]

Wait... what?

Starlord, Rocket Racoon, Groot, Mantis, Captain Universe, Ronan, Phayla, Moondragon, Wraith, Warlock, Super-Skrull, (technically Drax, Gamora, and Blastar probably count too.)

So... what? What lack of Heroes?

Out of those how many are decent and get decent panel time? Conquests character's just don't have the same draw (or are as interesting) as the last core. Thanos, Surfer, Galactus, etc. etc. and the standbys that crossed over aren't seen all that much Drax, Nova (well in the mini), Kl'rt, Ronan, etc. etc. etc. Annihilation worked because it was sort of the last huzzah from the cosmic classics while re-igniting a new breed. Conquest (aside form Star-Lord) is more like a total relaunch of new characters.

Anyway, something that has bugged me throughout the series is the apparent inconstancy with the ability of the Phalanx to infect biologicals. In the main series, it seems all you have to do is come in contact to get infected by the virus and you get circuitry eyes and are made a select. But in Wraith they were sticking heavy equipment into Super-Skrull and Ronan to get them to convert. And in Star-Lord there are thousands of Kree still going about their semi-normal lives on Hala, which struck me as very odd, you'd think they'd all be infected by this point and part of the collective. Its those kinds of things that have been bugging me about the editorial side of things of Conquest.

Yes. This are definitely a bit wonky in the new breed of Phalanx. I remember when they did the Phalanx Covenant in X-Men and assimilation of organics was easier and different... it transformed them biologically rather than being a sort of mind control.

[XPac]

I don't really hear people saying it's just "not bad", I'm hearing them say it's very good, but maybe not as good as Annihilation, which just about all comics out right now aren't either.

Also, it's not finished yet, which is a pretty important detail.

Anyway, just as stingerman pointed out, it sounds like a lot of exciting stuff is being born out of this cosmic event, and I can't wait.

I think the problem for a lot of people though isn't just that it's not as good as the first Annihilation, but also that the event doesn't have the big epic feel that many feel it should have.

The first Annihilation and Sinestro Corps had that big summer blockbuster feel... Annihilation: Conquest feels quieter. Slower. It doesn't have the scope or the energy that a lot of people were necessarily looking for.

It is certainly valid to argue that we can't fully judge the event until it's over... and I do fully expect the last issue in particular to pop out. That said, it's a little late in the game for us to still be waiting for business to pick up. The fact that it hasn't really shows a pacing issue in the storytelling.

[Madrox84]

I have been enjoying both series, overall i probably enjoy Nova more.

However i did enjoy the Star Lord mini-series more than either, i would looove to see a Giffen/Green II Star Lord ongoing series.

[Alex Smith]

I think the problem for a lot of people though isn't just that it's not as good as the first Annihilation, but also that the event doesn't have the big epic feel that many feel it should have.

The first Annihilation and Sinestro Corps had that big summer blockbuster feel... Annihilation: Conquest feels quieter. Slower. It doesn't have the scope or the energy that a lot of people were necessarily looking for.

It is certainly valid to argue that we can't fully judge the event until it's over... and I do fully expect the last issue in particular to pop out. That said, it's a little late in the game for us to still be waiting for business to pick up. The fact that it hasn't really shows a pacing issue in the storytelling.

Exactly. the SCW is getting so much more praise than Conquest that it seems like its sucks. It certainly doesn't, but it's not monumental like SCW or the original Annihilation was either.

If Conquest had no Quasar, and someone else instead it would be quite a bit better. I simply can't stand her panel time at all.

I think you said you didn't like Wraith's mini either, which is one place we differ completely. I think his mini was my second favorite. Granted it's mainly because of the Super Skrull but still. He's got a Clint Eastwood kind of western flare to him, I dig it.

I'm surprised they haven't gotten the herald's involved again. The Silver Surfer just came off of In Thy Name, and as far as I know he doesn't really have anything going on. I guess the problem there is he's just way too powerful and would pretty much end the story himself.

That's another problem with Conquest. These guys just aren't as big of a threat as Annihilus was. The only reason they're as successful as they are is because the whole universe was in a rebuilding state from Annihilation. Conquest seems like it's just here to show what happens between Annihilation and the next huge cosmic event.

[Zero Hunter]

I'm surprised they haven't gotten the herald's involved again. The Silver Surfer just came off of In Thy Name, and as far as I know he doesn't really have anything going on. I guess the problem there is he's just way too powerful and would pretty much end the story himself.
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The Surfer and Galactus are set to be in the next story after Conquest in Nova's book.

[Trey]

space vaginas are not filler. Chopped off Celestial heads are not filler. Cosmo is not filler.

[1WEBHEAD]

As fun as NOVA has been, it still hasn't made up for the dissappointment I call CONQUEST.

It's not a bad story but after reading all the 3 ANNIHILATION hardcovers in one sitting before CONQUEST. . .you get the picture. . .