Skrull On The Runaways?!

[Animalia]

K, so I just found out today that the Runaways were getting their very own Skrull Invasion tie-in (aww, those kids are so cute.) But I'm confused. The team already has a skrull on it, and it's no secret. Is Xavin going to betray the team or work with them? :confused:

[Weapon Ick]

K, so I just found out today that the Runaways were getting their very own Skrull Invasion tie-in (aww, those kids are so cute.) But I'm confused. The team already has a skrull on it, and it's no secret. Is Xavin going to betray the team or work with them? :confused:

Well that's the question isn't it? What side will Xavin take in the conflict? To my knowlege he has never defied the skrull empire. He always seemed like a loyalist to me. I wonder if he actually knows about the invasion.

[XPac]

K, so I just found out today that the Runaways were getting their very own Skrull Invasion tie-in (aww, those kids are so cute.) But I'm confused. The team already has a skrull on it, and it's no secret. Is Xavin going to betray the team or work with them? :confused:

I think any team that has a Skrull on them (Runaways, Initiative, Young Avengers, She-Hulk) will definately have to tie in. In part there will probably be an issue of loyalty for some. But I also suspect they'll have to deal with a sort of Skrull witch hunt, maybe the Skrull equivalent of japanesse internment camps.

[Young Avenger]

Xavin is definitely a skrull loyality. I don't see him going against the empire especially after Annihiltion.

[DaeJi]

If asked, I see Xavin siding with the Skrulls. Even if he doesn't, he'll still be hunted down by S.H.I.E.L.D.

[Don Quixote]

Considering the breakthrough s/he and Karolina have had in issue #29, where they've come to realise Xavin sees herself as female, it'd be more likely, narratively, that Xavin would side with the Skrulls.

I just hope Xavin's presence on Earth hasn't been part of the Skrull plan, that she'll just have to decide to side with the Skrulls, rather than it be premeditated. And considering the fact none of the Runaways had a clue about Civil War until they brought S.H.I.E.L.D down on themselves by fighting Flagsmasher (or whatever he was called), I think the only way they'd find out about the Skrulls would be through Xavin somehow.

[Madrox84]

I'm not sure whether Xavin would side with the Skrull Invasion forces... He may side with Karolina, he/she does seem to genuinely love her.

Though it will be interesting to see how he reacts.

[mdg1]

You may be asking the wrong question:

What side will Karolina choose? After all, her people are allied with the Skrull now.

[Tobias Drake]

I think Xavin will side with the Skrulls, and will probably try and convince Karolina to side with them as well. As a Super-Skrull, I've often wondered if he might be a bit powerful compared to the others; now I'm wondering if this is why.

[Kaos]

Xavin gonna roll with the Skrulls fo'sho

[RonnieThunderbolts]

I find myself wondering which comics books with Xavin any of my fellow posters have read. I can't believe that so many think Xavin would side with the Skrulls, I think that we've got every reason to believe the opposite. Karolina is the readers' witness, Xavin left with Karolina when their families began to fight during their Wedding proceedings. She DIDN'T side with the Skrulls, he sided with Karolina. She is so dedicated that she has become a female by default, out of commitment and support to her. Xavin is sheltered, I could see her being torn a great deal, but for me, all of the characterization so far makes me feel she would side with the Runaways above just about anything.

[Toboe]

I find myself wondering which comics books with Xavin any of my fellow posters have read. I can't believe that so many think Xavin would side with the Skrulls, I think that we've got every reason to believe the opposite. Karolina is the readers' witness, Xavin left with Karolina when their families began to fight during their Wedding proceedings. She DIDN'T side with the Skrulls, he sided with Karolina. She is so dedicated that she has become a female by default, out of commitment and support to her. Xavin is sheltered, I could see her being torn a great deal, but for me, all of the characterization so far makes me feel she would side with the Runaways above just about anything.

I have quoted this statement.

Seriously, it's been shown over and over that Xavin considers Karolina the only good thing left on her (I suppose now it's a her) life, and will stand besides her no matter what. Both seem to have turned their backs on their people after their wedding mess, I don't see Xavin aiding the skrulls here.

And there's also the fact that they're, you know, the Runaways. Running away from their evil parents' influence? Some of the message must have struck with Xavin by now, and she has kind of fully integrated with the team as well. Also, the betrayal thing has already been done with Alex... So I seriously hope Xavin remains loyal to Karolina and the Runaways.

[Dr. Chaos]

I really do hope Xavin does something stupid and leaves the team.

The character is just annoying and doesn't gel with the Runaways at all, horrible plot device of a skrulll that should be dead by now.

[Kaos]

I really do hope Xavin does something stupid and leaves the team.

The character is just annoying and doesn't gel with the Runaways at all, horrible plot device of a skrulll that should be dead by now.

LIES! Xavin is a great idea.

[DaeJi]

I find myself wondering which comics books with Xavin any of my fellow posters have read. I can't believe that so many think Xavin would side with the Skrulls, I think that we've got every reason to believe the opposite. Karolina is the readers' witness, Xavin left with Karolina when their families began to fight during their Wedding proceedings. She DIDN'T side with the Skrulls, he sided with Karolina. She is so dedicated that she has become a female by default, out of commitment and support to her. Xavin is sheltered, I could see her being torn a great deal, but for me, all of the characterization so far makes me feel she would side with the Runaways above just about anything.

I've read the entire Runaways series. Xavin does feel for Karo, I think she's in love with her. But she is a Skrull, with emotional bounds and ties to the species that can't just be broken, even by the love of a beautiful woman. She choose to stay on Earth, yes, but a part of that reason was because their ship was broken. I see a lot of internal torment for Xavin over this; I see her deciding to side with her species, but then deflecting back to the Runaways when Karo and them become endangered.

[PaxHouse]

I've read the entire Runaways series. Xavin does feel for Karo, I think she's in love with her. But she is a Skrull, with emotional bounds and ties to the species that can't just be broken, even by the love of a beautiful woman. She choose to stay on Earth, yes, but a part of that reason was because their ship was broken. I see a lot of internal torment for Xavin over this; I see her deciding to side with her species, but then deflecting back to the Runaways when Karo and them become endangered.

....And this will probably be one of the situations in which Xavin{a} must face......Loyalty to her race or Loyalty to her teammates.....:confused:

[Titanium]

I'd much rather see Xavin's response to Annihilation than Secret Invasion. You'd think heshe would be interested in what destroyed the empire and what happened to the real Super Skrull.

[Animalia]

You may be asking the wrong question:

What side will Karolina choose? After all, her people are allied with the Skrull now.

Thats not even making a point. Karolina's people aren't involved in the war.

[gorthon616]

I'd much rather see Xavin's response to Annihilation than Secret Invasion. You'd think heshe would be interested in what destroyed the empire and what happened to the real Super Skrull.

Yeah. I'd like to see that too. Bendis is like "we had a Skrull in issue #1 of New Avengers... it's a mystery!" I'm more like... we had the destruction of one of the preeminent alien races of the universe, and no mainstream comic dealing with space or Skrulls has referenced it... it's a mystery!

[Netley]

I think any team that has a Skrull on them (Runaways, Initiative, Young Avengers, She-Hulk) will definately have to tie in. In part there will probably be an issue of loyalty for some. But I also suspect they'll have to deal with a sort of Skrull witch hunt, maybe the Skrull equivalent of japanesse internment camps.

Wow, that would be a really interesting take on it!

[filthysize]

I stopped reading Runaways when BKV left but I've read bits of Whedon's run here and there, so out of curiosity, are they still stuck in the past?

[Netley]

I stopped reading Runaways when BKV left but I've read bits of Whedon's run here and there, so out of curiosity, are they still stuck in the past?

Yes, but in more ways than you think (that was an attempt at making a joke about how late the book is).

Whedon's writing is great, but with Runaways, he ironically replaced one of the few writers that is better than he is (BKV).

[filthysize]

So, either they're gonna come back in time for the crossover, or they're gonna say frak it and have the tie-in jump ahead and possibly spoil something from Whedon's run?

[Netley]

So, either they're gonna come back in time for the crossover, or they're gonna say frak it and have the tie-in jump ahead and possibly spoil something from Whedon's run?

Yeah, I guess those are the options, huh. I sort of look at Whedon's Marvel work as somewhat out-of-continuity (due to both subject matter and lateness). Astonishing was amazing in it's own right and, although technically in continuity, seemed very distant from anything going on in any other X book.

I view runaways right now the same way, especially this current time travel story. Whedon is one of the few people who I give the benefit of the doubt in this instance, since he writes such enjoyable stories. The only shame (as I believe you're pointing out), is that if there are drastic changes in the works for Whedon's current story, those elements will be spoiled by showing the post-time travel team in the SI mini.

Additionally - no way does Xavin ditch Lucy in the Sky/the Runaways for Skrull loyalties! BKV created an amazing character in Xavin, completely independently of any SI/NA/MA events, and it would be a waste of said character to simply Skrullify him/her for SI.

But an outlaw Skrull on the run from both sides of the Skrull invasion? Dealing with the emotional pulls of prejudice, blood lineage, and new friends? Now that would be cool!

[Sweetbabyjezuz]

What about...

When the runaways come back to actual time it'll be post-skrull invasion.

Xavin would have no idea that the event took place.

And in his female form anybody non-runaway wouldn't know. They could just say she's some new member. But then eventually one of the other runaways leaks it out to a superhero/villan or something and bam...heshe gets taken out

[Netley]

What about...

When the runaways come back to actual time it'll be post-skrull invasion.

Xavin would have no idea that the event took place.

And in his female form anybody non-runaway wouldn't know. They could just say she's some new member. But then eventually one of the other runaways leaks it out to a superhero/villan or something and bam...heshe gets taken out

That would have been a brilliant way for Whedon to not have to deal with SI and continue his story in continuity. However, since there is an actual SI: Runaways mini, I think one has to assume they wind up back here midway through the invasion at least (though it probably doesn't interrupt Whedon's run). I think Marvel might have thought Whedon would have finished his run by the time SI started.

[Sweetbabyjezuz]

That's it.....where's my contract to be a writer damn it! Hehe...well that sort of ruins it. I did not know that there is an SI runaways mini, when will that be out?

[Onlooker]

I've already pointed this out, but what happened or seemingly happened between Karolina and Xavin in issue 29 doesn't necessarily establish or prove anything because it seems rather suspicious.

First, Xavin recently admitted that he/she doesn't know who he/she is. And now all of the sudden he/she comes out and says "I didn't realize that was in doubt"? Am I the only one who finds that at least a little strange?

Next, Xavin says this in response to Molly asking if changing to his/her human female form upon supposedly losing control make it the real him/her. It would seem highly unlikely that a human form could be the real Xavin when Xavin is actually a skrull and not a human.

Finally, after Xavin supposedly involuntarily changes to his/her human female form he/she outright says, "I simply wasn't concentrating... maintaining a false shape does take a measure of effort." But on the official marvel website it is outright stated:

"Once a new shape has been assumed, it takes a conscious act of will to assume another form or revert to natural. Hence, Skrulls do not spontaneously lose their assumed form when asleep or unconscious".

So either Whedon is ignoring what has been established about skrulls, intentionally or not, or Xavin lied and deliberately shifted to human female form and claimed it was unintentional all for the sake of pleasing Karolina. It wouldn't be the first time Xavin has done that kind of thing either, deceiving Karolina for the sake of pleasing her.

In other words it probably isn't wise to draw any conclusions about Xavin's part in the Secret Invasion based on the things that happened in issue 29 since there seems to be a decent chance that things aren't as they seem in that issue.

Another thing to consider is that Xavin has been essentially cut off from his/her own people for a while, so it would seem likely that he/she isn't even aware of the things that happened in the Annihilation storyline. So one thing to consider is how Xavin will react to that.

Let's not forget that the main reason that Xavin wanted to marry Karolina in the first place was for the sake of his/her people and maybe Karolina's people too. So what would happen if he/she was presented with the case that the invasion is for the the good of his her people?

Another thing is that as far as I can tell we were never given a detailed description of what happened when everything went horribly wrong with the arranged marriage. As far as I can tell Xavin and Karolina simply dropped everything and ran without really thinking about anything in all the ensuing chaos and destruction.

One could say that Xavin is actually a "runaway" by more by default than choice because he/she was cut off from his/her people. But what would happen if he/she were offered a chance to rejoin his/her people and serve them again, especially if they needed him/her now more than ever as a result of Annihilation?

Before serving his/her people and being with Karolina were essentially synonymous. But now they're going to be anything but. The only things Xavin has ever really cared about are his/her people and Karolina. But now it would seem that Xavin is going to be forced to choose between the two.

And even all that is assuming that Xavin isn't already a double agent secretly still working for his/her people. It's not like that kind of thing hasn't happened to the Runaways before either. Remember Alex Wilder?

[Netley]

That's it.....where's my contract to be a writer damn it! Hehe...well that sort of ruins it. I did not know that there is an SI runaways mini, when will that be out?

You know what, I was sure I read somewhere that there was an SI: Runaways mini, but now I can't figure out where. I'm still pretty sure there is one (though it must not be solicited yet), but I realize I could be totally wrong here - anyone know for sure?