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cubsrule!
02-29-2008, 09:57 PM
I'm not sure if you all know about the "much ado about nothing brouhaha" happening between Brian Bendis and Grant Morrison (or maybe I should say DC vs. Marvel fans...or...I dunno, whatever). But here are the comments that started it:


So, what’s the hard sell for Final Crisis?
MORRISON: It’s also what the DCU stands for. It’s the apocalypse. It’s Revelations. It’s the hard-edged, death metal version of the DCU. It’s cooler than anything Marvel’s doing for the next year. If you like superheroes, this is the ultimate superhero story. That’s what I would say. We wanted something that’s really like the cover of a Slayer album.


Marvel’s big event—Secret Invasion—launches the month before you. How do you think this event will compete with that?
MORRISON: We’re going to kick their ass so hard. [Laughs] Marvel had its big year last year with Civil War, which was an amazing event and really changed the Marvel landscape. With Secret Invasion, we’ve seen the Skrull thing before. We’ve seen it in the Kree-Skrull War, again in series like the Fantastic Four. They’re kind of resting this year. [Laughs] So if you’re a Marvel fan, come over here. There’s only one book to read this summer. It’s simple.

From this interview: http://www.wizarduniverse.com/022908finalcrisis3.html

Now, this thread was started at the Bendis boards with someone claiming that Morrison was taking shots at Marvel, SI and Bendis, himself: http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=143322

Anyway, Bendis replies, in the thread, with this:


knowing what everyone in the industry knows about whats going on with 'his' book behind the scenes, even jokingly, he really should keep his yap el shutto.

Anyway, other posters say stuff and blah blah blah...

The reason I made this thread is b/c of this post from bendis:


guys calm down. he shit talked. so what? i thought it was a little beneath him too, but, hey, its comics. he's having a row, as they say.

same shit gail does all the time. they must teach a class in it over there.

and although i pulled a hammy holding in the jokes goofing on that picture, i say let it ride.

in 2012 when final crisis is done, we'll see what's what

Gail does this all the time? Since when?

BTW, sorry it took so long to get to the point...

BnL
02-29-2008, 10:37 PM
I've seen Gail joke around with other creators, and I've seen her talk about her own experiences in the industry, positive and negative. But I have to say, I've never seen her "talk shit," especially not the kind of childish stuff you've quoted there.

Sabrinaset
02-29-2008, 10:40 PM
knowing what everyone in the industry knows about whats going on with 'his' book behind the scenes, even jokingly, he really should keep his yap el shutto.

What in the name of Paris Hiltons STD-infested vagina does Bendis mean by this...?

Night Swordsman
02-29-2008, 10:41 PM
Gail is actually one of the more polite comic creators out there. Does she take shots? She might make a humorous jab once in awhile,but i never actually see her making hateful statements at any creator or company without justification,and No,i do not remember Gail making jabs at Marvel.

She DOES enjoy causing trouble on the Bendis Board,however. All well and good,as she is i believe a friend of his. :) And does his hair on a regular basis.

Floyd The Barber
02-29-2008, 10:49 PM
Wrestling fans would call you guys "marks". Wikipedia some wrestling terms. It's all good competitive fun between creative individuals meant to spark controversy among the unknowing masses. I for one appreciate it for what it is and think it's hilarious. Don't expect them to come right out and tell you that though. It'd be breaking "kayfabe" (all you non-wrestling fans can look that one up too). Me personally, I'll be buying FC and SI. What self-respecting superhero fan wouldn't be interested in both? Especially now. Kudos to Grant, Brian, and Gail.

Jack Zodiac
02-29-2008, 10:50 PM
"knowing what everyone in the industry knows about whats going on with 'his' book behind the scenes, even jokingly, he really should keep his yap el shutto."

Pfffffffffffffffft! Suck a craggy green cock you big bald fuck! :D

AllisterH
02-29-2008, 10:51 PM
Gail has said that she prefers DC women to Marvel women. I also think she simply prefers the characters from DC because of the inherent "feel-good" nature of the DCU.

I don't think Gail hates Marvel but I betcha if you asked Gail, which characters do you wish you could write, more of them will be DC characters.

(personally, I still can't see how...Sure, Scarlet Witch, Sue were useless in the 60s and DC had WW, but by the 70s? The Defenders women, the Wasp,the X-men with Claremont at the helm? The Marvel women had a voice and presence that in general, the DC women didn't have until Perez & Wolfman on the NTT)

DaeJi
02-29-2008, 10:55 PM
Every creator takes shots at each other. Damn near all of it is in good fun. Ever see a group of friends tease each other? It's like that.

Tyr
02-29-2008, 10:56 PM
Wrestling fans would call you guys "marks". Wikipedia some wrestling terms. It's all good competitive fun between creative individuals meant to spark controversy among the unknowing masses. I for one appreciate it for what it is and think it's hilarious. Don't expect them to come right out and tell you that though. It'd be breaking "kayfabe" (all you non-wrestling fans can look that one up too). Me personally, I'll be buying FC and SI. What self-respecting superhero fan wouldn't be interested in both? Especially now. Kudos to Grant, Brian, and Gail.

Sounds about right, except I won't be buying either one, I hate crossovers.

cubsrule!
02-29-2008, 10:57 PM
Maybe Bendis was joking. However, and maybe I'm alone here, it didn't really seem like it from those posts in that thread.

Anyway, I was puzzled by his Gail comment, b/c I've never seen her take a jab at Marvel. I could be mistaken, though...

AaronJ
02-29-2008, 10:59 PM
God, Morrison was just having a good time. Some people need a sense of humor infusion, stat!

I mean, if you read the whole interview, it's obvious he's having some fun with people.

Night Swordsman
02-29-2008, 11:02 PM
Gail has gone on record saying her first comics were DC ones,iirc,and has a fondness for them. Especially the Marvel Family. She has the right to prefer DC over Marvel,it does NOT mean she dosn't LIKE marvel,however.

Floyd The Barber
02-29-2008, 11:04 PM
Sounds about right, except I won't be buying either one, I hate crossovers.

Hey Tyr, taker of Fenris' hand, (awesome name btw),
Yeah, I shoulda added... "unless you're completely tired of this sorta thing"(which is completely understandable).
I'll give DC point though, IC was waaay better IMO than CW. But I got high hopes for SI for some reason though. Probably because Bendis is writing it. I just pray it has a definitive ending. If it's one more bullshit "oh this is meant to set things up for things to come" deal then I'm a be about done too.

Tyr
02-29-2008, 11:07 PM
Gail has gone on record saying her first comics were DC ones,iirc,and has a fondness for them. Especially the Marvel Family. She has the right to prefer DC over Marvel,it does NOT mean she dosn't LIKE marvel,however.

Of course not, she's written for Deadpool, and is on record for saying she likes the character. She also likes Spider-Man, she's said as much on her N3rdcast interview. There really isn't such a thing as company loyalty anymore when it comes to writers, and artists, they'll gladly play on both sides of the fence, if it means they get to write their favorite characters and get a nice benefits package out of the deal.

Floyd The Barber
02-29-2008, 11:09 PM
Every creator takes shots at each other. Damn near all of it is in good fun. Ever see a group of friends tease each other? It's like that.

Personally, If I hang with my bros and more than 30 mins go by without a cut-down I'm calling "Clone!".

Night Swordsman
02-29-2008, 11:13 PM
Comics are a Business First,Entertainment Second. Gail likes the people she meets,and is a pretty nice person.

But...zomg....she has a SENSE of HUMOR!

Metronome35
03-01-2008, 03:06 AM
Marvel had its big year last year with Civil War, which was an amazing event
I must say, it's rather sporting of him to say that.

TCJohnson
03-01-2008, 05:01 AM
Gail does this all the time? Since when?

BTW, sorry it took so long to get to the point...

Not about Marvel, but about Bendis. She takes shots at Bendis all the time. And Bendis does the same with her. They are friends and it is all in good fun.

K-DoG7p7
03-01-2008, 05:41 AM
Also.. Spider-Man is gay

KevinTBrown
03-01-2008, 06:59 AM
First of all to cubsrule: LOVE the name!!! :D


As to the thread topic: Even if he was joking, what little respect I had for Bendis is now out the window. He went out of his way to include Gail's name for no other reason than to be a prick. (Yeah, going against my own "rules" here in calling a spade a spade.) It may eventually be revealed to be nothing but "fun and games", but I did NOT see it that way.

As far as his little comment about the book being late in the end, Marvel needs to get their own house in order before their creators start saying shit like that.

Chiroptera
03-01-2008, 07:04 AM
Wise man say: Behind every joke or insult there is a grain of truth.

Yes they take jabs at each other, yes it's all in good fun. But when they take these jabs they usually do target some very true flaws in one anothers professionalism. This, inturn, usually shows by the other persons counter-attack being more aggressive than you might expect when somethings supposed be "just a joke."

I think such was the case here.

Gail Simone
03-01-2008, 07:35 AM
Gail has said that she prefers DC women to Marvel women. I also think she simply prefers the characters from DC because of the inherent "feel-good" nature of the DCU.

I don't think Gail hates Marvel but I betcha if you asked Gail, which characters do you wish you could write, more of them will be DC characters.

(personally, I still can't see how...Sure, Scarlet Witch, Sue were useless in the 60s and DC had WW, but by the 70s? The Defenders women, the Wasp,the X-men with Claremont at the helm? The Marvel women had a voice and presence that in general, the DC women didn't have until Perez & Wolfman on the NTT)

I have a natural preference for the DC characters, and I think the terrible, terrible quality of the early Marvel characters is the one flaw in an otherwise amazing Lee/Kirby/Ditko universe (they've since made it up with the X-women).

But I LIKE Marvel. I had a great time writing in that universe. I don't know why people want to believe this bad stuff all the time (not you, A, you are being accurate).

Gail

Gail Simone
03-01-2008, 07:39 AM
First of all to cubsrule: LOVE the name!!! :D


As to the thread topic: Even if he was joking, what little respect I had for Bendis is now out the window. He went out of his way to include Gail's name for no other reason than to be a prick. (Yeah, going against my own "rules" here in calling a spade a spade.) It may eventually be revealed to be nothing but "fun and games", but I did NOT see it that way.

As far as his little comment about the book being late in the end, Marvel needs to get their own house in order before their creators start saying shit like that.

I love Brian, but he has a huge defensive streak about Marvel. He jumps up swinging over even pretty mild charges.

HOWEVER, I feel for him absolutely in this case, it can't be fun to have your work dismissed as a retread of old stories when you've worked so fricking hard on something. And let's be real, Brian is a top professional for a reason. He is NOT going to write something that's a complete retread.

I think Grant's partly kidding, anyhow.

Gail Simone
03-01-2008, 07:39 AM
Also.. Spider-Man is gay

I KNOW!

That's what I've been SAYING!

TCJohnson
03-01-2008, 07:48 AM
And you are wrong! Tell me your lyin'! Tell me your lyin'!

Alexx1
03-01-2008, 07:50 AM
First of all to cubsrule: LOVE the name!!! :D


As to the thread topic: Even if he was joking, what little respect I had for Bendis is now out the window. He went out of his way to include Gail's name for no other reason than to be a prick. (Yeah, going against my own "rules" here in calling a spade a spade.) It may eventually be revealed to be nothing but "fun and games", but I did NOT see it that way.

As far as his little comment about the book being late in the end, Marvel needs to get their own house in order before their creators start saying shit like that.


I see your point and even agree. It may all be in jest and innocent fun, hype as I've seen others on the boards want to say. If Bendis had a grip, issues with what Morrison said, cool, fine, take your swipe at him. But it is whack to bring up someone else's name, no matters whose it is, into the ruckas. You shouldn't handle you business and get down like that.

Gail Simone
03-01-2008, 08:24 AM
It was crappy to drag me into it.

I like Brian, but I think he's still pissed at me over my mentioning the whole 'crazy bitches' thing.

He couldn't be nicer in person. I have no idea what's up. Maybe he doesn't like me teasing him on his board.

K-DoG7p7
03-01-2008, 08:38 AM
'crazy bitches' ? what is this now? sounds like I missed something :P

Christopher Cross Is God
03-01-2008, 08:40 AM
I must say, it's rather sporting of him to say that.

Perhaps it was sarcasm?

TCJohnson
03-01-2008, 08:43 AM
'crazy bitches' ? what is this now? sounds like I missed something :P

http://blog.newsarama.com/page/3/?p=747

Still, it was 2 years ago.

But really, in this later round I don't see any real malicious intent anywhere.

Alexx1
03-01-2008, 09:23 AM
But really, in this later round I don't see any real malicious intent anywhere.

I can only speak for myself but my issues isn't his intent. Like I said above, it could be nothing more than hype, in fun jest, ribbing, whatever, but you don't pull somebody else into the frey. That's a bitch move. And, IMO, you don't need a psychology degree to see this isn't just about hype and fun. It's laughable the notion this is just two creators (Bendis/Morrison) having a respectful jest towards one another. Let's not pretend this isn't about personal egos. I read between the lines of what Bendis and Morrions for that matter were saying. If fans want to dilude themselves into thinking this is just DC/Marvel hype, so be it. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. I'm going to read my DC titles I've alway been reading and my few Marvel titles. That was never my grip. And I guess it's all about your honor/behavorial code, but if I got beef or take offensive with someone and I'm addressing them or what they said, it would be craptastic of me to throw someone else's name up in that. When you do that, all I know is it feel like a whole a lot of player hating.

Night Swordsman
03-01-2008, 09:24 AM
http://blog.newsarama.com/page/3/?p=747

Still, it was 2 years ago.

But really, in this later round I don't see any real malicious intent anywhere.

I loved Tamora Pierce's comment later down: WWJWD (What Would Joss Whedon Do?)

Priceless. :)

NickThompson
03-01-2008, 10:03 AM
On one hand, I can understand why Bendis would get pissy. Morrison is bigging up his event (Which we know nothing about so far) by taking possibly unfair shots at Bendis' event.

On the other hand though, it seems a bit of a humourful jab more than a serious attack. Morrison seemed harsher about Frank Miller, for example. It's what people in the comic business do, they make these little jabs. Jeph Loeb was mocking Marvel, goes Marvel exclusive, starts mocking DC. Few years the cycle might continue. I don't think there is any malice involved, I doubt people get hurt feelings out of it usually (Well, except that "We'll only do this if Quesada is fired" thing :) ).

Sabrinaset
03-01-2008, 10:09 AM
Hey Tyr, taker of Fenris' hand,

Re-read your mythology. Fenris took Tyr's hand, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenris) not the other way around.

Jack Zodiac
03-01-2008, 10:12 AM
KER-MYTHSCHOOLED!

Michael P
03-01-2008, 10:13 AM
It was crappy to drag me into it.

I like Brian, but I think he's still pissed at me over my mentioning the whole 'crazy bitches' thing.

He couldn't be nicer in person. I have no idea what's up. Maybe he doesn't like me teasing him on his board.

Maybe he's a pussy who needs to grow some thicker skin.

Really, I'm surprised this has even become a thing. Well, no, I'm not, but it's still ridiculous. Morrison dropped some empty smack talk in an interview. Big deal. What, did they think he was going to say, "Oh, no, Secret Invasion will probably be way better than what I'm working on, so please don't give me your money"?

Everyone involved needs to get the hell over it. Marvel vs. DC is infantile granfalloonery anyway.

Night Swordsman
03-01-2008, 10:13 AM
<applauds Bree> :)


I would like to add that i agree,the whole "Marvel Vs. DC" thing is idiotic. Some like one,some like the other,some like both,some like neither. But there is no reason to HATE on either of them. If you do not like one or both,don't read them. They are not holding a gun to your head asking you to cheerlead for them. They got Brian and Grant to do that too. :D

Michael P
03-01-2008, 10:15 AM
Fracking double posts.

cubsrule!
03-01-2008, 10:17 AM
First of all to cubsrule: LOVE the name!!! :D

Haha, thanks.

cubsrule!
03-01-2008, 10:19 AM
I think Grant's partly kidding, anyhow.

As do I.

And I don't think folks realize that it wasn't Grant that brought up the subject. The interviewer singled out Secret Invasion and Marvel. Grant answered the question and then laughed about it, which seems to me like he was joking.

cubsrule!
03-01-2008, 10:21 AM
The thing about Morrison's comment is that I don't think he's saying whether he liked CW or not. He's just recognizing how well it did sales-wise.

Tad Sivana
03-01-2008, 10:21 AM
Yes, Gail takes shots at Marvel.
In fact, Marvel gives all their writers shots - of Storoids, inhuman growth hormones created from the combined RNA of Lee and Kirby. This drug increases their output and swells their heads.
The shots are administered directly into the brain through the ocular nerve.
Bendis was an early user and has failed many drug tests.
Overuse of Storoids can cause you to become paranoid. This was the genesis of the 'Civil War' arc last year.
Early warnings are the introduction of monkeys and apes into you storylines...we all know what happened to poor Kurt Busiek.
Gail - be warned!

Jack Zodiac
03-01-2008, 10:24 AM
Yes, Gail takes shots at Marvel.
In fact, Marvel gives all their writers shots -

GASP! The Infinity Formula's real!? :eek:

cubsrule!
03-01-2008, 10:24 AM
I can only speak for myself but my issues isn't his intent. Like I said above, it could be nothing more than hype, in fun jest, ribbing, whatever, but you don't pull somebody else into the frey. That's a bitch move. And, IMO, you don't need a psychology degree to see this isn't just about hype and fun. It's laughable the notion this is just two creators (Bendis/Morrison) having a respectful jest towards one another. Let's not pretend this isn't about personal egos. I read between the lines of what Bendis and Morrions for that matter were saying. If fans want to dilude themselves into thinking this is just DC/Marvel hype, so be it. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. I'm going to read my DC titles I've alway been reading and my few Marvel titles. That was never my grip. And I guess it's all about your honor/behavorial code, but if I got beef or take offensive with someone and I'm addressing them or what they said, it would be craptastic of me to throw someone else's name up in that. When you do that, all I know is it feel like a whole a lot of player hating.

He didn't just bring Gail into this, though, imo. He said that "they must teach a class on it over there."

I might be reaching, but isn't that an indictment (sp?) on the DC brass?

Kevinroc
03-01-2008, 11:13 AM
GASP! The Infinity Formula's real!? :eek:

I think that's the secret to Stan Lee. :p

Jack Zodiac
03-01-2008, 11:48 AM
I think that's the secret to Stan Lee. :p

I thought the Infinity Formula was supposed to keep you from getting any older, not just making you live forever as your body goes and your brain gets wackier. ;) Unless being a crazy old man is one of the side effects of not getting your booster shot every year!

Tobias March
03-01-2008, 11:55 AM
What drives me nuts is that Stan Lee was the master of hucksterism, playing the showman etc. It's unfortunate that those who attempt to follow his lead today - and occasionally BB does appear to be trying for that RingMaster's hat - fail at it so terribly. In the exchanges quoted above and his letter cols he comes off as a big fanboy (so does Kevin Smith of course, who then had Stan Lee appear in his movie...which was admittedly sweet)

Whereas Grant always appears witty in his appearances in print (and I've seen the video of him taken at a Disinfo conference were he's loaded and ranting about magic(k) "It REALLY WORKS!"), if occasionally despairing over some of the reception his work gets (Seaguy, anyone).

Then you have Gail who is charm personified and clearly is aiming to make an objective assessment of whatever situation she is commenting.

It's interesting.

Tyr
03-01-2008, 12:17 PM
Re-read your mythology. Fenris took Tyr's hand, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenris) not the other way around.

I would have called him on that myself, but I'm to nice a guy I guess.

Erik Burnham
03-01-2008, 12:31 PM
What drives me nuts is that Stan Lee was the master of hucksterism, playing the showman etc. It's unfortunate that those who attempt to follow his lead today - and occasionally BB does appear to be trying for that RingMaster's hat - fail at it so terribly.

Stan did - and does - always seem good-natured, though.

Much of the attempts to follow his lead don't necessarily feel the same. It's the same thing processed in a different way, I guess.

K-DoG7p7
03-01-2008, 12:40 PM
Gail.. Nice pwning on the bendis board :P

NickThompson
03-01-2008, 12:43 PM
Stan did - and does - always seem good-natured, though.

Much of the attempts to follow his lead don't necessarily feel the same. It's the same thing processed in a different way, I guess.

I think a part of it is because you're comparing 196X to 200X.

Alexx1
03-01-2008, 01:02 PM
He didn't just bring Gail into this, though, imo. He said that "they must teach a class on it over there."

I might be reaching, but isn't that an indictment (sp?) on the DC brass?

I didn't view it as a compliment. Nor did I view Morrison's interview and comments "lite" and "innocent". As you alluded earlier you agree he was 'PARTLY" kidding in his remarks. Well that must mean some PART was not. Morrison knew what he was saying and doing and he meant every word. He knew it was going to ruffle a certain someones feathers. Writer's say what they mean and mean what they say if I know nothing else. I promise you Bendis doesn't find them funny or light hearted or no big deal even if he perpetrates like it's all gravy. And the fact is he did bring Mrs. Gail into this. No one on Bendis board brought up Mrs. Gail's name. It was Bendis who inserted her name and now as a result we have threads all over the various message boards because it has now taking on another life of it's own and folks talking about about Mrs. Gail and Bendis when the conversations should have been limited to Morrison/Bendis/DC/Marvel.

Gail Simone
03-01-2008, 01:40 PM
Honestly, I think Brian is still a little pissed about the 'crazy bitches' stuff, and this maybe has been festering with him a while.

I harbor no ill will, but I do think it's a little silly.

It's just net nonsense, it'll all work itself out in the end.

Gail

Tyr
03-01-2008, 01:53 PM
Honestly, I think Brian is still a little pissed about the 'crazy bitches' stuff, and this maybe has been festering with him a while.

I harbor no ill will, but I do think it's a little silly.

It's just net nonsense, it'll all work itself out in the end.

Gail

I hope so, since your both gonna be showing up at the Emerald City Comicon in a couple of months.

the4thpip
03-01-2008, 02:27 PM
http://blog.newsarama.com/page/3/?p=747

Still, it was 2 years ago.

But really, in this later round I don't see any real malicious intent anywhere.

I didn't even know newsarama picked up on that.

Now I feel guilty... I tall started with my Andy Schmidt interview.

Erik Burnham
03-01-2008, 03:07 PM
I think a part of it is because you're comparing 196X to 200X.

I'm really not. I am aware that cynicism and sarcasm is far more common these days in everyday communication.

I'm saying that the tone doesn't always come off as good-natured, which Stan's does.

Sometimes today's creators come off as good-natured in their ribbing. Sometimes they come off in a less flattering light.

I think they're trying to ape something Stan had a definite talent for, that type of close-to-the-fans salesmanship, hucksterism, and ribbing that came off as kind as opposed to mean-spirited.

And how you view something certainly changes with degrees of familiarity.

Maybe Stan's talent was making people feel closer sooner.

I dunno.

Pass the chips.

BnL
03-01-2008, 03:40 PM
But it is whack to bring up someone else's name, no matters whose it is, into the ruckas. You shouldn't handle you business and get down like that.

Now you're dragging Greg Rucka into this? Hypocrite.

Floyd The Barber
03-01-2008, 04:09 PM
Re-read your mythology. Fenris took Tyr's hand, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenris) not the other way around.

Yep. Brainfart on my part. Don't need to re-read it as much as I need to quit posting UTI.


I would have called him on that myself, but I'm to nice a guy I guess.

Hey, It woulda been no big deal at all. I don't take offense to being corrected if I'm actually wrong.
:)

Gail Simone
03-01-2008, 04:16 PM
I'm really not. I am aware that cynicism and sarcasm is far more common these days in everyday communication.

I'm saying that the tone doesn't always come off as good-natured, which Stan's does.

Sometimes today's creators come off as good-natured in their ribbing. Sometimes they come off in a less flattering light.

I think they're trying to ape something Stan had a definite talent for, that type of close-to-the-fans salesmanship, hucksterism, and ribbing that came off as kind as opposed to mean-spirited.

And how you view something certainly changes with degrees of familiarity.

Maybe Stan's talent was making people feel closer sooner.

I dunno.

Pass the chips.


It's true, I think some of that, in my case, is just that I have kind of a Yabs-y sense of humor, that's how I got to know these guys. In some other cases, I think the Stern-esque kind of joking comes off a little harsher than maybe is ever actually intended.

But like I say, it's already forgotten. IF Brian's mad, it's a one-sided deal, but I sincerely doubt he'd actually stay mad. He's a good guy.

Gail

NickThompson
03-01-2008, 04:28 PM
I'm really not. I am aware that cynicism and sarcasm is far more common these days in everyday communication.

I'm saying that the tone doesn't always come off as good-natured, which Stan's does.

Sometimes today's creators come off as good-natured in their ribbing. Sometimes they come off in a less flattering light.

I think they're trying to ape something Stan had a definite talent for, that type of close-to-the-fans salesmanship, hucksterism, and ribbing that came off as kind as opposed to mean-spirited.

And how you view something certainly changes with degrees of familiarity.

Maybe Stan's talent was making people feel closer sooner.

I dunno.

Pass the chips.
Maybe. I do think that there is something of a validity to my point though. I say the same when people talk of modern comics being darker too though :)





And since we're on the subject, I think the best promoter of their own stuff is Millar. Look at the sales estimates, he can get a creator owned mini to sell better than some other top creators can get a top character to :)

Gail Simone
03-01-2008, 04:46 PM
Mark Millar is a marketing god.

Plus, he writes damn good comics.

Bo Bo
03-01-2008, 04:58 PM
Every afternoon at 5, Gail heads into the Marvel office and takes a shot of tequila...


*reads thread*

oh wrong kind of shots, sorry :o

Tyr
03-01-2008, 06:32 PM
Every afternoon at 5, Gail heads into the Marvel office and takes a shot of tequila...


*reads thread*

oh wrong kind of shots, sorry :o

You do know that Marvel's office is on the East Coast right? Which makes that paticular feat even more impressive! :D

Erik Burnham
03-01-2008, 06:44 PM
[QUOTE=NickThompson;6431855]Maybe. I do think that there is something of a validity to my point though. I say the same when people talk of modern comics being darker too though :)

If your point was that I was confusing it, eff you! (;

If not, sure, why not. Heh.

As to modern comics being darker?

Nah, not even close.

But many modern comics do revel in it a hair too much.

Erik Burnham
03-01-2008, 06:45 PM
You do know that Marvel's office is on the East Coast right? Which makes that paticular feat even more impressive! :D

Maybe they have Klondike bars, too. That could be what Gail would do for a Klondike bar: transcontinental tequila.

Yup.

Erik Burnham
03-01-2008, 06:47 PM
It's true, I think some of that, in my case, is just that I have kind of a Yabs-y sense of humor, that's how I got to know these guys. In some other cases, I think the Stern-esque kind of joking comes off a little harsher than maybe is ever actually intended.

But like I say, it's already forgotten. IF Brian's mad, it's a one-sided deal, but I sincerely doubt he'd actually stay mad. He's a good guy.

Gail

I was told his vengeance knows know bounds.

On the other hand, that could just be because his vengeance has bad knees and can't jump like it used to.

*rimshot*

NickThompson
03-01-2008, 08:00 PM
Maybe. I do think that there is something of a validity to my point though. I say the same when people talk of modern comics being darker too though :)

If your point was that I was confusing it, eff you! (;

If not, sure, why not. Heh.

As to modern comics being darker?

Nah, not even close.

But many modern comics do revel in it a hair too much.

Tis a fair point.

ForkedTongue
03-01-2008, 10:09 PM
In other news, Spicy Sweet Chili Doritos are pretty gross.

the4thpip
03-02-2008, 06:26 AM
In other news, Spicy Sweet Chili Doritos are pretty gross.

Are you trying to start a feud with Kurt Busiek?

twilight
03-02-2008, 06:44 AM
And since we're on the subject, I think the best promoter of their own stuff is Millar. Look at the sales estimates, he can get a creator owned mini to sell better than some other top creators can get a top character to :)

I've noticed recently if I check out an interview with him it makes me want to buy whatever it is he's hyping.

I don't since I'm poor but the point still stands.

-Twi

Tobias March
03-02-2008, 08:03 AM
Hmmm (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=211720)? Was Gail banned from Jinxworld for showing up the Bald One? (the other bald one....okay we'll call Grant the Bald Yin).

What actually happened?

NickThompson
03-02-2008, 08:17 AM
Hmmm (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=211720)? Was Gail banned from Jinxworld for showing up the Bald One? (the other bald one....okay we'll call Grant the Bald Yin).

What actually happened?
She wasn't banned, the thread just got deleted.

Tobias March
03-02-2008, 08:24 AM
She wasn't banned, the thread just got deleted.

I asked because someone in that thread mentions she may have been.

NickThompson
03-02-2008, 08:31 AM
I asked because someone in that thread mentions she may have been.
Yeah, but that guy seems a tad biased in his view ;)


What basically happened as far as I can tell was that Morrison was joking around, Bendis was joking around (His original post had smiley faces and stuff), people took them wayyy too seriously, stuff escalated, thread got deleted. The Gail stuff was on the side, that may not have been as joking but I don't know.

The thread was getting a bit out of hand outside of Bendis and Gail anyway.