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Super Hero Guy
02-25-2008, 08:51 PM
I just have to make this clear for everyone - my name is John. My name is not Jonathan. John and Jonathan are two separate names with two separate etymologies, and a look at history can produce a vast number of examples of people named only John. The fact that my full name isn't Jonathan is NOT odd, don't try to tell me that it is, don't try to tell me that John is always and only used as a short for for Jonathan. Thank you.

Ben Morgan
02-25-2008, 08:51 PM
...did someone on this board call you John?

DoctorDoom
02-25-2008, 08:53 PM
Shouldn't this be for the rant thread?

Athena Bast
02-25-2008, 08:55 PM
I just have to make this clear for everyone - my name is John. My name is not Jonathan. John and Jonathan are two separate names with two separate etymologies, and a look at history can produce a vast number of examples of people named only John. The fact that my full name isn't Jonathan is NOT odd, don't try to tell me that it is, don't try to tell me that John is always and only used as a short for for Jonathan. Thank you.

My name's Tina. People always ask me what it's short for. I usually tell them "It's short for a lot of things but in this case it's long for my name."

mattx110
02-25-2008, 08:57 PM
My name's Tina. People always ask me what it's short for. I usually tell them "It's short for a lot of things but in this case it's long for my name."
Someone in my class today said "my name is Charles but you can call me Charlie for short".

That's not shorter Charles...

StoneGold
02-25-2008, 09:40 PM
Your name is mud.

Just a Shadow
02-25-2008, 09:48 PM
I just have to make this clear for everyone - my name is John. My name is not Jonathan. John and Jonathan are two separate names with two separate etymologies, and a look at history can produce a vast number of examples of people named only John. The fact that my full name isn't Jonathan is NOT odd, don't try to tell me that it is, don't try to tell me that John is always and only used as a short for for Jonathan. Thank you.

I know your pain so well. I share your name and it bugs the shit out of me when people call me Jonathan.

Dan Apodaca
02-25-2008, 09:57 PM
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Bouncing Boy
02-25-2008, 10:43 PM
I feel the same way when people call me Marcus. Marc is short for Marcus, Mark isn't

Jack Zodiac
02-25-2008, 10:55 PM
"Jack" is short for "Waytoogoddamnaweseomeforyoufuckin'jackasses."

Pól Rua
02-25-2008, 11:50 PM
Just don't call me late for dinner.

Ben Morgan
02-25-2008, 11:51 PM
What's that short for? ;)

Pól Rua
02-25-2008, 11:57 PM
What's that short for? ;)

McLateforDinnerasaurus.

Ben Morgan
02-25-2008, 11:58 PM
See, I'd just call you Mack for short

Rachel Grey
02-26-2008, 12:32 AM
TETSUUUOOO!!

StoneGold
02-26-2008, 12:37 AM
Jane?
.

Jack Zodiac
02-26-2008, 12:46 AM
TETSUUUOOO!!

KANEEEDAAA!!

Gary_B
02-26-2008, 01:13 AM
I know a Jonathan and conversationally you'd think his abbreviated name is John, but when you look at it on paper it's actually Jon.

I grew up in the city and everyone understood that my name is Gary. One day my parents moved my whole family to a small German farm town and suddenly everyone thought my name is Garry.

Your name is mud.

Harcourt Fenton Mudd!!

http://www.electronic-replicant.com/media/har-COURT.jpg

Valmore
02-26-2008, 05:50 AM
Okay, okay Jonathan, no need to get your panties in a wad over it.

- Beauregard.

Matt Algren
02-26-2008, 07:47 AM
If you have a name that uses weird rules, blame your parents, not the people who don't understand the weird rules.

Cei-U!
02-26-2008, 08:45 AM
I feel your pain, bubba. "Kurt" is not short for "Curtis." If it were "Curt," sure, but it's KURT WITH A K, YOU FREAKIN' MORO...

um...

Sorry. Longstanding pet peeve.

Cei-U!
I fitch a pit!

Zero Hunter
02-26-2008, 02:13 PM
Hey at least they don't spell it wrong. My first and middle name are Kristopher Alan and nearly every person I have come across spells it Christopher Allen. On top of the at least 75% want to spell my last name Height instead of how it is supposed to be Hite.

4thHorseman
02-26-2008, 02:47 PM
My name is Josh yet within two minutes of talking to someone, they think it's Jason. Irritating.

Just a Shadow
02-26-2008, 03:03 PM
My name is Josh yet within two minutes of talking to someone, they think it's Jason. Irritating.

that kinda mixup is just plain peculiar.

sehthan
02-26-2008, 03:03 PM
TETSUUUOOO!!



KANEEEDAAA!!


FUUUMAAAAAAAAA!!


I know, it's a different anime. But it's fun to yell.

Deskad
02-26-2008, 03:09 PM
Shit was SO cash.

Demon wizard
02-26-2008, 03:34 PM
My name is Jack and I always get people asking if my real name is John. :confused:

4thHorseman
02-26-2008, 03:52 PM
that kinda mixup is just plain peculiar.


Yeah, it's become so common I don't even bother correcting people anymore.

Athena Bast
02-26-2008, 04:59 PM
My name is Josh yet within two minutes of talking to someone, they think it's Jason. Irritating.

that kinda mixup is just plain peculiar.

My name's Tina but people insist on calling me Jennifer.

Just a Shadow
02-26-2008, 05:01 PM
My name's Tina but people insist on calling me Jennifer.

That is also really, really strange.

Jack Zodiac
02-26-2008, 05:16 PM
My name's Tina but people insist on calling me Jennifer.

Oh, of course, 'cause Tina's, y'know... ya have the "T" and the "A" in there, and "Jennifer" has a "J" and and "F." I mean... who wouldn't make that mistake?

BoosterBronze
02-26-2008, 05:17 PM
I get the same confusion when I tell people that I'm the daddy mack, but they insist on thinking that I'm the mack daddy.

GozertheGozarian
02-26-2008, 05:25 PM
It's Jeffry, one e. Not -ery, or -rey, or any other variation with two e's. I'll still have to kill you if you call me that though.

sehthan
02-26-2008, 05:35 PM
I get the same confusion when I tell people that I'm the daddy mack, but they insist on thinking that I'm the mack daddy.

Either way, you'll make them Jump! Jump!

mattx110
02-26-2008, 05:36 PM
It's Jeffry, one e. Not -ery, or -rey, or any other variation with two e's. I'll still have to kill you if you call me that though.
Geoff? That you?

K'Nort
02-26-2008, 05:59 PM
Kristin
Kirsten
Christine
Christina
Kirsty
etc
etc
etc

Spike-X
02-27-2008, 01:02 AM
Kristin
Kirsten
Christine
Christina
Kirsty
etc
etc
etc
You forgot 'man' and 'dude'.

howyadoin
02-27-2008, 01:04 AM
You forgot 'man' and 'dude'.Jesus, warn me the next time you're gonna say somethin' like that. Rum & Coke up the nose is not fun.

mattx110
02-27-2008, 01:05 AM
Umm... hispanics and their kin spell my name with one T. Italians and Germans spell it correctly.

howyadoin
02-27-2008, 02:19 AM
Umm... hispanics and their kin spell my name with one T. Italians and Germans spell it correctly.Racist.


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kloudsurfer
02-27-2008, 04:04 AM
My brothers name is 'Dave'. Not 'David', his entire name is 'Dave'.

I still think my parents are just evil.

dingo
02-27-2008, 04:18 AM
My brothers name is 'Dave'. Not 'David', his entire name is 'Dave'.

I still think my parents are just evil.

Yeah, that isn't nice.

Matt Algren
02-27-2008, 08:11 AM
Umm... hispanics and their kin spell my name with one T. Italians and Germans spell it correctly.
Huh. I haven't gotten that one very much. I get the one T in Matthew, but not so much Matt.

My last name's a nightmare, though.

Gingold
02-27-2008, 08:30 AM
I occassionally get telemarketers who think that "Daniel" is pronounced "Danielle." What the fuck?

Copper
02-27-2008, 09:06 AM
No worse than people who think that "Michael" is spelled "Micheal". Oh and God help you if you're italian and named Michele.

Forefinger
02-27-2008, 09:12 AM
I just have to make this clear for everyone - my name is John. My name is not Jonathan. John and Jonathan are two separate names with two separate etymologies, and a look at history can produce a vast number of examples of people named only John. The fact that my full name isn't Jonathan is NOT odd, don't try to tell me that it is, don't try to tell me that John is always and only used as a short for for Jonathan. Thank you.

"Jon" is frequently used as a shortened version of "Jonathan". "John" is a different name, but unless people see it written, I doubt they think anything of the difference.

Ben Morgan
02-27-2008, 09:13 AM
What about J'onn?

Forefinger
02-27-2008, 09:14 AM
What about J'onn?

Ask someone from Mars.


SMDFF!

Puma
02-27-2008, 09:15 AM
My Dad and brother are named Ruskin, the number of people that want to call them Russell is amazing.

Matt Algren
02-27-2008, 09:23 AM
No worse than people who think that "Michael" is spelled "Micheal". Oh and God help you if you're italian and named Michele.French too.

I love that name, but I can't imagine any American giving it to a boy. Not unless they hate kids.

My Dad and brother are named Ruskin, the number of people that want to call them Russell is amazing.
There for a while in the 80s, I bet one or both were called Teddy Ruskin.

Puma
02-27-2008, 09:24 AM
French too.

I love that name, but I can't imagine any American giving it to a boy. Not unless they hate kids.


There for a while in the 80s, I bet one or both were called Teddy Ruskin.

Fortunately no.

Huh?
02-27-2008, 10:03 AM
My name is Ryan, and I have stopped correcting people. It is just too much work. On the phone it is nearly impossible for someone who doesn't know me to get it right the first time.

What is really cool, though, is that other people named Ryan always get it right. We have a built in sensor where we can tell whether you said Brian or Ryan no matter how bad the connection is.

Cei-U!
02-27-2008, 10:07 AM
My great-grandmother called me "Kirk" until the day she died... and I was sixteen when the old gal passed!

Cei-U!
I summon the mistaken identity!

Jack Zodiac
02-27-2008, 10:36 AM
My name is Ryan, and I have stopped correcting people. It is just too much work. On the phone it is nearly impossible for someone who doesn't know me to get it right the first time.

What is really cool, though, is that other people named Ryan always get it right. We have a built in sensor where we can tell whether you said Brian or Ryan no matter how bad the connection is.

I just call every other Ryan or Brian I meet Ryan, and then when they tell me it's Brian, I go, "Ohhh, Brian," like that's a weird name.

Ben Morgan
02-27-2008, 10:40 AM
Or Bryan

.

Huh?
02-27-2008, 11:11 AM
I just call every other Ryan or Brian I meet Ryan, and then when they tell me it's Brian, I go, "Ohhh, Brian," like that's a weird name.Lol. Never heard anyone do that before, but it would be funny.

Mike Pothier
02-27-2008, 11:24 AM
Mike is not short for Michelangelo, but nobody makes that mistake. I wish they did, it'd be pretty cool

Ben Morgan
02-27-2008, 12:07 PM
Does anyone use Bartholomew anymore?

jessecuster3
02-27-2008, 12:28 PM
Does anyone use Bartholomew anymore?

I've known a couple of Barts.

JDogindy
02-27-2008, 01:25 PM
I have issues with John, however it's that people keep misspelling it. My full name is "Johnathan", not "Jonathan".

howyadoin
02-27-2008, 01:39 PM
I have issues with John, however it's that people keep misspelling it. My full name is "Johnathan", not "Jonathan".It's not "those people" that are misspelling it.

Matt Algren
02-27-2008, 01:50 PM
I have issues with John, however it's that people keep misspelling it. My full name is "Johnathan", not "Jonathan".
How do you think the Billys and the Dicks and the Mikes feel?

Unrelated, but I always thought it was cool that you could abbreviate William as Wm. If that were my name, I'd totally sign things that way.

howyadoin
02-27-2008, 01:51 PM
How do you think the Billys and the Dicks and the Mikes feel?I'm not really concerned with how dicks feel.

Matt Algren
02-27-2008, 01:59 PM
I'm not really concerned with how dicks feel. Out on the balcony, when Reginald kissed Diana's lips, her knees went weak. Slowly, he pulled her top down, exposing her soft, unyielding breasts. Just the sight of those breasts made Reginald's penis very hard. His penis was of considerable size, and now beads of sweat slowly ran down his penis, making it glisten like a strong swimmer fresh from out of the pool. It was a fantastic penis, that seemed as strong as a horse's leg, yet as delicate as a flower wrapped in silk. What a grand, grand penis. Diana's nipples...

Uh, let's see…

Diana's nipples…

Oh, writer's block, writer's block! Hmmm. Crap! I'm stuck. Oh well, maybe that's enough writing for today, Mr. Hat.

mattx110
02-27-2008, 02:24 PM
Huh. I haven't gotten that one very much. I get the one T in Matthew, but not so much Matt.

My last name's a nightmare, though.
Well, I use Matthew most of the time.

Zero Hunter
02-27-2008, 05:46 PM
You know who I really feel bad for are all these kids coming up now who's goofy parents gave them those weird madeup names. Those poor bastards are going to be correcting peoples spelling the rest of their lives.

Ben Morgan
02-27-2008, 05:46 PM
There was that sports fanatic who named his kid ESPN (pronounced Espen) a while ago

Puma
02-27-2008, 06:32 PM
You know who I really feel bad for are all these kids coming up now who's goofy parents gave them those weird madeup names. Those poor bastards are going to be correcting peoples spelling the rest of their lives.
Like 'Oshun'?


I feel for that girl.

Super Hero Guy
02-27-2008, 06:37 PM
Ok, I should explain the hostile tone in the original post. I'm usually not upset with people calling me Jonathan, it's just that a while ago somebody did and I corrected them, and they thought that was weird. Then he got on about how parents shouldn't give their children nick names, that it's informal and stupid. I explained to him that John wasn't the same as Jonathan, but he didn't believe. He said John was always just a short form for Jonathan.

Being the petty human that I am, I looked it up, and made sure that the two names did indeed have separate etymologies. I went back with this proof, explaining they were both based on translations of different Hebrew names found in the Bible. His response? "I'm an atheist. You might as well tell me you got your information from a Superman comic."

So yeah, I got a tad irritated.

Puma
02-27-2008, 06:38 PM
Ok, I should explain the hostile tone in the original post. I'm usually not upset with people calling me Jonathan, it's just that a while ago somebody did and I corrected them, and they thought that was weird. Then he got on about how parents shouldn't give their children nick names, that it's informal and stupid. I explained to him that John wasn't the same as Jonathan, but he didn't believe. He said John was always just a short form for Jonathan.

Being the petty human that I am, I looked it up, and made sure that the two names did indeed have separate etymologies. I went back with this proof, explaining they were both based on translations of different Hebrew names found in the Bible. His response? "I'm an atheist. You might as well tell me you got your information from a Superman comic."

So yeah, I got a tad irritated.
The guy sounds like an idiot.

Gezora
02-28-2008, 12:26 AM
Being the petty human that I am, I looked it up, and made sure that the two names did indeed have separate etymologies. I went back with this proof, explaining they were both based on translations of different Hebrew names found in the Bible. His response? "I'm an atheist. You might as well tell me you got your information from a Superman comic."

Sounds like someone in serious need of an ass whupin' if ya ask me.

Speaking of me, let's talk about that for a bit. Is Arturo hard to pronounce? I ask because whenever I tell people my full name, most have to phonetically drawl it out, like it doesn't fit in their mouths quite right. At about fifteen, I just started introducing myself as Art.

People's first guess? Arthur. Second guess? Artemis.

:confused:

I don't get it either, Plank.

Valmore
02-28-2008, 05:53 AM
Being the petty human that I am, I looked it up, and made sure that the two names did indeed have separate etymologies. I went back with this proof, explaining they were both based on translations of different Hebrew names found in the Bible. His response? "I'm an atheist. You might as well tell me you got your information from a Superman comic."

Wow, that's pretty stupid. Even people who don't believe in God know that the Bible does exist and people used to draw upon it for names, and that people still do.

Or does he just think the Jews don't exist?

And actually, the ridiculous naming in Venezuela got so out of hand that the government once sponsored a program to get new parents to name their children from a traditional spanish list. Why? Babies named "Batman" and "Superman" as well as having the first name "Hitler" were popping up. True story - I read it in the latest mental_floss magazine.

howyadoin
02-28-2008, 02:48 PM
And actually, the ridiculous naming in Venezuela got so out of hand that the government once sponsored a program to get new parents to name their children from a traditional spanish list. Why? Babies named "Batman" and "Superman" as well as having the first name "Hitler" were popping up. True story - I read it in the latest mental_floss magazine.Shit, "Batman Hitler" would be an awesome name.

mattx110
02-28-2008, 03:16 PM
Shit, "Batman Hitler" would be an awesome name.
If Frank Miller has kids... That dream might come true.

Your Imaginary Pal
02-28-2008, 03:19 PM
Yeah well all know John is short for Johnny Boy.
Here's to you Johnny Boy.

howyadoin
02-28-2008, 05:37 PM
If Frank Miller has kids... That dream might come true.Especially if the kids were retarded.

jessecuster3
02-28-2008, 05:47 PM
There was that sports fanatic who named his kid ESPN (pronounced Espen) a while ago

My girlfriend keeps telling me about a girl named Abcd (pronounced a-bee-cee-d)

howyadoin
02-28-2008, 05:54 PM
My girlfriend keeps telling me about a girl named Abcd (pronounced a-bee-cee-d)If she had a brother named 1234, he could be in a Ramones tribute band.

BlairH
02-28-2008, 08:50 PM
I just have to make this clear for everyone - my name is John. My name is not Jonathan. John and Jonathan are two separate names with two separate etymologies, and a look at history can produce a vast number of examples of people named only John. The fact that my full name isn't Jonathan is NOT odd, don't try to tell me that it is, don't try to tell me that John is always and only used as a short for for Jonathan. Thank you.

I hear that. My middle name is John, and under no circumstances, would I ever consider accepting "Jonathan"

Valmore
02-28-2008, 09:02 PM
I hear that. My middle name is John, and under no circumstances, would I ever consider accepting "Jonathan"

Jonathan, you bloody wanker, shut yer yap and drink yer pint. Or I'll rename you Hitler-El.

Dan Apodaca
02-28-2008, 09:17 PM
Hey at least they don't spell it wrong. My first and middle name are Kristopher Alan and nearly every person I have come across spells it Christopher Allen. On top of the at least 75% want to spell my last name Height instead of how it is supposed to be Hite.

Maybe you spell your name wrong, and not them?

K'Nort
02-29-2008, 03:15 PM
Then he got on about how parents shouldn't give their children nick names, that it's informal and stupid.

I went to college with a guy who raged against anyone (we know at least two examples) who had a last name that was a common first name. Like anyone can control that. Drove me nuts.


His response? "I'm an atheist. You might as well tell me you got your information from a Superman comic."

So yeah, I got a tad irritated.

Understandable. I doubt any of the board athiests would support that 'logic.'


My girlfriend keeps telling me about a girl named Abcd (pronounced a-bee-cee-d)

Has she actually met her? Because otherwise it's urban legend. Usually racist to boot. Tom wrote a good piece on that about a year ago.

K'Nort
02-29-2008, 03:17 PM
And where's Gilda or Ed?

"You spell your name wrong."

Is that even proper? Shouldn't it be incorrectly? Isn't this an adverb/adjective thing?

Ben Morgan
02-29-2008, 03:20 PM
Hey at least they don't spell it wrong. My first and middle name are Kristopher Alan and nearly every person I have come across spells it Christopher Allen. On top of the at least 75% want to spell my last name Height instead of how it is supposed to be Hite.
I'll keep that in mind

Matt Algren
02-29-2008, 03:35 PM
My name is Jack and I always get people asking if my real name is John. :confused:
John >> Jack is fairly common. I've never understood why.

K'Nort
02-29-2008, 03:36 PM
John >> Jack is fairly common. I've never understood why.

Me neither.

Ben Morgan
02-29-2008, 03:36 PM
I never got the relation between Jack and John

Silver Knight
02-29-2008, 06:31 PM
I just have to make this clear for everyone - my name is John. My name is not Jonathan. John and Jonathan are two separate names with two separate etymologies, and a look at history can produce a vast number of examples of people named only John. The fact that my full name isn't Jonathan is NOT odd, don't try to tell me that it is, don't try to tell me that John is always and only used as a short for for Jonathan. Thank you.

I have a somewhat simular problem

My full first name is Jonathan, although Ive gone by Jon since the third grade. Everybody spells it wrong. John, Jhon, or they say Jonathan.

I bugs me to be called by my full name, its so weird. Why cant people get it right? The only two people that call me Jonathan anymore is my mom(obvious) and my roomie(to be a dick)

Paradox
03-02-2008, 11:52 PM
"Short for" is a stupid concept that needs to be eliminated. Other versions of your name are not "short for" your name, they're nicknames. "Short" hasn't got a thing to do with it. And the guy who says that any name is "always" short for another is a moron. One nickname for Margaret is Peggy, but that doesn't mean every Peggy is a Margaret.

howyadoin
03-03-2008, 01:12 AM
"Short for" is a stupid concept that needs to be eliminated. Other versions of your name are not "short for" your name, they're nicknames. "Short" hasn't got a thing to do with it. And the guy who says that any name is "always" short for another is a moron. One nickname for Margaret is Peggy, but that doesn't mean every Peggy is a Margaret.Sure thing, Steve-aroonie.

Super Hero Guy
03-03-2008, 07:49 PM
For the Jack/John question -

http://www.behindthename.com/name/jack

Gary_B
03-03-2008, 08:35 PM
My girlfriend keeps telling me about a girl named Abcd (pronounced a-bee-cee-d)

If she had a brother named 1234, he could be in a Ramones tribute band.

This reminds me of the kid Charlie Brown knew named 555 95472.

From wiki:

As 5 once explained to Charlie Brown, his father, morose and hysterical over the preponderance of numbers in people's lives, had changed all of the family's names to numbers. Asked by Lucy van Pelt if it was Mr. 95472's way of protesting, 5 replied that this was actually his father's way of "giving in." 5 also has two sisters named 3 and 4. ("Nice feminine names," in Charlie Brown's estimation to which 5 responds, "We think so."). It can be assumed that their parents are named 1 and 2.

I went to college with a guy who raged against anyone (we know at least two examples) who had a last name that was a common first name. Like anyone can control that. Drove me nuts.

He would have hated my oldest brothers' high school buddy Paul Mike. Paul had a brother named Michael (seriously) and naturally everyone called him Mike Mike.

Hellbaby
03-03-2008, 08:46 PM
My name is Jonathan, but I go by Jon sometimes. I really don't care.