The only way that couls solve illegal immigaration (this is not a bigot post)

[jka12002]

in my opinion;

Make Mexico officially part of the USA, we wouldnt need the border anymore and the mexicans can come to the USA with no hassle.

if theres any mexicans on this forum, im not trying to be racsist, so dont think that.

[Generic Eric]

in my opinion;

Make Mexico officially part of the USA, we wouldnt need the border anymore and the mexicans can come to the USA with no hassle.

if theres any mexicans on this forum, im not trying to be racsist, so dont think that.

What this theory is missing is a few graphs and a pie chart.:rolleyes:

[mattx110]

in my opinion;

Make Mexico officially part of the USA, we wouldnt need the border anymore and the mexicans can come to the USA with no hassle.

if theres any mexicans on this forum, im not trying to be racsist, so dont think that.
I completely agree.

[Samurai]

in my opinion;

Make Mexico officially part of the USA, we wouldnt need the border anymore and the mexicans can come to the USA with no hassle.

if theres any mexicans on this forum, im not trying to be racsist, so dont think that.

I've got 3 words for that suggestion:

Oh.

Hell.

NO!

[mattx110]

I've got 3 words for that suggestion:

Oh.

Hell.

NO!
Why not? I think it could go well.

[Ben Morgan]

It's a possibility

[StoneGold]

Or, just wait until the peso surpasses the dollar.

[Floyd The Barber]

in my opinion;

Make Mexico officially part of the USA, we wouldnt need the border anymore and the mexicans can come to the USA with no hassle.


That'd be a great idea if the government didn't already have it the way they really like it already. If Mexico was a state, then they'd have to pay Mexicans the federal minimum wage. Then what would be the point of Mexicans working? Who'd do all that construction work for 50 cents an hour?
How'd we occupy all those rednecks that plan on building that wall? What issues would local Republicans have left to run on?

[Chris Nowlin]

I think we half-implented this idea over a century ago. It would just be finishing what we started.

[cactusmaac]

The obvious thing to do would be to severely crack down on employers who use illegal immigrants and institute a guest worker program. Like in the Middle East and Singapore, Mexicans could get work in the US without having access to government benefits. It probably won't happen because Americans are very used to the idea of immigrants coming in and working their way towards citizenship and full integration.

[OverMaster]

Make Mexico officially part of the USA, we wouldnt need the border anymore and the mexicans can come to the USA with no hassle.

Hmm, I think there are, you know, quite a few Mexicans who would oppose that.

Not all of us Latins are so desperate to become colonies again, FYI.

[Puma]

Unfortunately you are framing this debate into a US v Mexico situation and while the majority of people illegally in the US are from Mexico quite a number are from Central America and Asia. There is also the problem of people overstaying their VISAs and work permits. The US needs to look beyond a fence, which IMO won't solve anything, and crack down on employers, create a guest worker program (and keep tabs on participants) and remove the born in the USA thus a citizen clause; make it "born in the USA to US citizens= citizen". Right now one of the biggest moral debates is what to do with parents who are here illegally but have kids that are US citizens. I really believe this needs to be addressed.

[dingo]

Aside from the fact that Mexicans almost certainly don't want that (as pointed out above), all that does is move the border.

[DWEarhart]

Abolish child labor laws. Border problems solved, new problems start.

[BoosterBronze]

I would much rather made Cuba part of the US. They don't have a leader, and it looked like a pretty neat place in Godfather II.

[BoosterBronze]

in my opinion;

Make Mexico officially part of the USA, we wouldnt need the border anymore and the mexicans can come to the USA with no hassle.

if theres any mexicans on this forum, im not trying to be racsist, so dont think that.

Isn't that called... conquest?

[DonC]

in my opinion;

Make Mexico officially part of the USA


Mexico has oil?

[heretic]

I would much rather made Cuba part of the US. They don't have a leader, and it looked like a pretty neat place in Godfather II.They would be even less pleased than the Mexicans.

I agree about seriously enforcing labor laws, but the idea of having people over here legally and denying them any chance to even gain political rights rubs me the wrong way.

HTG

[Puma]

Mexico has oil?

Yes. They nationalized the oil companies (many US owned) quite some time ago.

[K'Nort]

Mexico has oil?

They're in fourth place in terms of amount of oil we import, yes.

Speaking of expanding, Canada is first.


But yeah, a heck of a lot of illegal immigrants aren't from Mexico so that should really end the discussion there.

[PatrickG]

That'd be a great idea if the government didn't already have it the way they really like it already. If Mexico was a state, then they'd have to pay Mexicans the federal minimum wage. Then what would be the point of Mexicans working? Who'd do all that construction work for 50 cents an hour?
How'd we occupy all those rednecks that plan on building that wall? What issues would local Republicans have left to run on?

Most illegals I know make between 7 and 20 dollars an hour. They aren't coming here to do jobs at substandard wages and they have legit looking fake IDs. They pay taxes and SSI (under someone else's ID).

They DO take jobs that would go unfilled otherwise. Like kitchen jobs, roofing work, beheading chickens. But they get paid what white guys would get paid for it and generally what the market will allow for.

There's a limit on what people will pay for chicken, for instance. So you can't really pay more than $15 an hour to behead them, for instance. And you need people willing to do it.

Most white guys I know would rather be in IT or retail and would collect unemployment or mooch before they'd behead chickens. But $15 an hour is probably a fair wage for the job.

There are 10 million illegals in this country. Getting them out would be like trying to exile the population of Manhattan while giving them a 20 year head start to hide. And if we could afford to get rid of them and we could get rid of them, we'd have the cost of a lot of goods go up, we'd have industries that would grind to a halt and we'd have jobs that would go unfilled despite paying fair wages for the skill/work required.

Border control is not a traditional American value, nor are most of the policies and stances implemented post-WWII.

What we need are free, easy, cheap and fast visas for all residents of the North American continent coupled with controls like driver's licenses and quick background checks.

We do have a problem with criminals from Latin America squeaking into the country with fake IDs. However, the fake IDs are easily available and exploitation of immigrants exist because of a large black market of human trafficking that exists because we try to keep out people who want fair work at fair wages.

I say... Open the borders but don't open benefits of citizenship like SSI and welfare. Make it easy for Latinos to cross borders and find work and regulate them properly by giving them driver's licenses and a paper trail.

Citizenship does deserve some work and it should be fair to the backlog of people who have applied. However, you shouldn't need to be a citizen to live and work in this country or cross the border freely. You should simply state your desire to do so and not be a serious criminal. Same for Asian immigrants.

And I think the reverse applies to. I think Americans should be free to establish permanent residence in Germany or the UK easier provided they have the credentials -- although I can accept that citizenship and a say in government should require better credentials.

But a person's nation of permanent residence should be the free choice of any free person, with citizenship being a separate issue. People should live where they want and travel across any and all borders freely provided there are no bending criminal/legal issues that would create a problem.

[cactusmaac]

They're in fourth place in terms of amount of oil we import, yes.

Speaking of expanding, Canada is first.


But yeah, a heck of a lot of illegal immigrants aren't from Mexico so that should really end the discussion there.

According to Wiki, 57% come from Mexico and a further 24% come from Central America, most likely entering in via Mexico.

[mattx110]

They're in fourth place in terms of amount of oil we import, yes.

Speaking of expanding, Canada is first.


But yeah, a heck of a lot of illegal immigrants aren't from Mexico so that should really end the discussion there.
Canada has ties to Europe. They might be pissed.

Unionizing with Mexico is a great idea, and would solve more problems than it'd create.

[K'Nort]

Canada has ties to Europe. They might be pissed.

Unionizing with Mexico is a great idea, and would solve more problems than it'd create.

I think you mean uniting.

[mattx110]

I think you mean uniting.
Well, we have a union of states, don't we?

[Grazzt]

Well, we have a union of states, don't we?

Yes, because "Union" is a noun. You don't make up a verb out of a noun unless you don't already have a serviceable verb.

[K'Nort]

Yes, because "Union" is a noun. You don't make up a verb out of a noun unless you don't already have a serviceable verb.

Well unionize is a real verb. But in the context of organized labor. Which makes it more confusing in this context than if it were simply a made-up word.

[thehod]

in my opinion;

Make Mexico officially part of the USA, we wouldnt need the border anymore and the mexicans can come to the USA with no hassle.

if theres any mexicans on this forum, im not trying to be racsist, so dont think that.

Or you could make the US part of Mexico and get the same result.

[Matt Algren]

Or you could make the US part of Mexico and get the same result.
But then we'd all be Mexicans.

THIS IS NOT A BIGOT POST!!!!!!

[BoosterBronze]

Or you could make the US part of Mexico and get the same result.

Then the corrupt Mexican government would mismange the USA's resources and we'd all immigrate to Canada.

[thespianphryne]

Then the corrupt Mexican government would mismange the USA's resources and we'd all immigrate to Canada.

Annexe the whole northern continent.

[StoneGold]

This'd do it.

http://www.billfryer.com/dsc/newimages/cat5.jpg



Damn Chinese.

[Matt Algren]

Then the corrupt Mexican government would mismange the USA's resources and we'd all immigrate to Canada.
Legally? Hell no, we're Mexican!

NOT RACIST!






















Please don't hurt me Guapo.

[Huh?]

Start punishing corporations that hire illegals, build a secure border and then begin allowing illegal immigrants that are already here, and don't have a felony conviction, to work toward citizenship.

I have no problem with people being here if they have to pay the same taxes, health insurance, social security etc. that I have to pay.

[Samurai]

I really like Lars Larson's solution. If any employee's Social Security number doesn't match their name, proving they are a legal resident or citizen, the company cannot deduct that person's payroll from their taxes. That would penalize companies with fraudulent workers thousands of dollars per illegal employee, and provide a monetary incentive to hire legal residents over illegals.

[Huh?]

I really like Lars Larson's solution. If any employee's Social Security number doesn't match their name, proving they are a legal resident or citizen, the company cannot deduct that person's payroll from their taxes. That would penalize companies with fraudulent workers thousands of dollars per illegal employee, and provide a monetary incentive to hire legal residents over illegals.Yeah, that is the way to do it.

One of the poster's above talked about the fact that many illegals are being paid fairly (which I doubt), but the reason a corporation can afford to pay someone $15 an hour is because they don't have to pay for any benefits (since the person would not be able to pass the smell test of an insurance company), and they are allowed to deduct the wages from taxes, so it is a lot cheaper to hire an illegal at $15 an hour than it is to hire a citizen.

[Matt Algren]

I really like Lars Larson's solution. If any employee's Social Security number doesn't match their name, proving they are a legal resident or citizen, the company cannot deduct that person's payroll from their taxes. That would penalize companies with fraudulent workers thousands of dollars per illegal employee, and provide a monetary incentive to hire legal residents over illegals.
Hm, I just can't figure out a way around that.

[Winslow]

I think we should implement the grandfather rule.

If your grandfather wasn't born here, go back to where you came from demmit!

[HomerJay]

What this theory is missing is a few graphs and a pie chart.:rolleyes:
Very well then...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/HomerJay64/OneGraph.jpg

If your grandfather wasn't born here, go back to where you came from demmit!
Sweet. I look forward to the large-breasted Eastern European women.

[Paul McEnery]

Annexe the whole northern continent.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

The West and the North-East secede and form CanaMex.

And then we invade Texas.

[Paul McEnery]

I think we should implement the grandfather rule.

If your grandfather wasn't born here, go back to where you came from demmit!

I've tried, but my mother found it too uncomfortable.

[Just a Shadow]

I would be so pissed if the US annexed a country and that country was not Canada!

[Paul McEnery]

I would be so pissed if the US annexed a country and that country was not Canada!

It would make a better attic.

[Mike Pothier]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

The West and the North-East secede and form CanaMex.

And then we invade Texas.

CanaMex, that sounds like a laxative.

[Paul McEnery]

CanaMex, that sounds like a laxative.

We will operate on trickledown economics.

[Pinball]

Very well then...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/HomerJay64/OneGraph.jpg


42d? hmmm.
Uschi Digard? no...
Candy Samples? no...
Christy Canyon? no...
Sylvia McFarlane? no...
Kitten Natividad? no...
If your grandfather wasn't born here, go back to where you came from demmit!
Sweet. I look forward to the large-breasted Eastern European women.
Bea Flora, yeah!

[jka12002]

well im glad that you guys are not mad at me for posting this, just thought i share this idea.

[LtMarvel]

in my opinion;

Make Mexico officially part of the USA, we wouldnt need the border anymore and the mexicans can come to the USA with no hassle.

if theres any mexicans on this forum, im not trying to be racsist, so dont think that.
No no no. Then all those people from Guatemala and Belize will cross the border and take all those jobs that none of us want to do....

On the other hand, the border to guard would be much smaller...

[Nick Soapdish]

No no no. Then all those people from Guatemala and Belize will cross the border and take all those jobs that none of us want to do....

On the other hand, the border to guard would be much smaller...

We should go all the way down to the Isthmus.

[howyadoin]

I would be so pissed if the US annexed a country and that country was not Canada!Fuck, why the hell would you want something like that?

[Winslow]

Sweet. I look forward to the large-breasted Eastern European women.

Exactly. It could be win-win for many people.

By the way, why we would even think Mexico would even want us to annex them is kind of baffling.

Secondly, I'm pretty sure Mexico would object to New Jersey's corrupt political system. They wouldn't want that crap in their own country.

[Matt Algren]

Fuck, why the hell would you want something like that?
Cheaper prescriptions.

[elldot21]

I completely agree, BUT, we'd have to go in militarily to root out corruption/drug lords and replace them with our own corruption/porn lords.

On the whole though, I think the Mexican people need to make their country worth staying in. It's their country, in the long run, nobody can fix it but them.

[BoosterBronze]

I completely agree, BUT, we'd have to go in militarily to root out corruption/drug lords and replace them with our own corruption/porn lords.

On the whole though, I think the Mexican people need to make their country worth staying in. It's their country, in the long run, nobody can fix it but them.

Sheesh, next you'll be saying that about Iraq.

[elldot21]

Sheesh, next you'll be saying that about Iraq.

different circumstances in Iraq wherein the Military option works because

A: Dictator=no chance for change without outside intervention. Justification for occupation.
B: Distance prevents/decreases chance of AMERICAN political corruption from ruining the efforts-though they have tried resulting in hampered efforts and skewed perspectives about progress and justification of Iraqi occupation. But on the whole, the military has had and continues to have the opportunities it needs to give Iraqi's the chance they need to run their country.

If America could get it together politically and deal with it's own corruption, then I actually do think a military occupation and integration of Mexican culture into American would work great. Then again, if America had it together, then a military option wouldn't even be necessary as other economic and political leverage could be used to foster change in Mexico. Enough that illegal immigration for work/freedom needn't occur.

[K'Nort]

I think we should implement the grandfather rule.

If your grandfather wasn't born here, go back to where you came from demmit!

Marital problems?

[Guapo Méndez]

Ain't never gonna happen.
The US is not going to annex Mexico, and there are virulent sectors in our society that are rabidly anti-US.
You'd kiss good-bye those cheap prices for fruits and vegetables.
Yes, we have oil, but the Cantarell oil well is drying up. Rumor has it the well will be dry in 8 years.

Besides, we're about a generation from assimilating the US, so we're not that interested.

We're renaming the whole thing to Mexicusa.

[Paul McEnery]

Ain't never gonna happen.
The US is not going to annex Mexico, and there are virulent sectors in our society that are rabidly anti-US.
You'd kiss good-bye those cheap prices for fruits and vegetables.
Yes, we have oil, but the Cantarell oil well is drying up. Rumor has it the well will be dry in 8 years.

Besides, we're about a generation from assimilating the US, so we're not that interested.

We're renaming the whole thing to Mexicusa.

I thought the Mexicuse was "no habla ingles".

[Guapo Méndez]

I thought the Mexicuse was "no habla ingles".

Only when you want to evade the IRS man.

[mattx110]

Ain't never gonna happen.
The US is not going to annex Mexico, and there are virulent sectors in our society that are rabidly anti-US.
You'd kiss good-bye those cheap prices for fruits and vegetables.
Yes, we have oil, but the Cantarell oil well is drying up. Rumor has it the well will be dry in 8 years.

Besides, we're about a generation from assimilating the US, so we're not that interested.

We're renaming the whole thing to Mexicusa.
I'd be cool with that.

The goal is the death of "nation" and "state" as concepts.

I'm a wily bastard.

[Paul McEnery]

I'd be cool with that.

The goal is the death of "nation" and "state" as concepts.

I'm a wily bastard.

I think we need a President called Nate Station.

[Matt Algren]

Ain't never gonna happen.
The US is not going to annex Mexico, and there are virulent sectors in our society that are rabidly anti-US.
You'd kiss good-bye those cheap prices for fruits and vegetables.
Yes, we have oil, but the Cantarell oil well is drying up. Rumor has it the well will be dry in 8 years.

Besides, we're about a generation from assimilating the US, so we're not that interested.

We're renaming the whole thing to Mexicusa.Is that pronounced like Speedy Gonzales would say it? Me-he-ku-sa?

I want to be ready when the they roll out the new Himno nacional is rolled out.