Sign the petition and save The Ultimates! Let's get Loeb out of here

[prodigy]

We must preserve talent and cherish good work. Let's get Loeb out of the Ultimate Universe and save one of the best titles.


http://www.petitiononline.com/removejl/petition.html

[Beast]

Yeah, cause Marvel's going to listen to a bunch of crying fanboys over the sales the book is getting. ;)

[Tobias March]

Done and done.

[malephoenix]

Yeah, cause Marvel's going to listen to a bunch of crying fanboys over the sales the book is getting. ;)

Now that issue three is out, what are the sales on the first three issues? What were the sales of the Season II issues?

[ANewHope]

Action speaks louder than words.

Thank you Loeb

[Beast]

Not to mention, Petitions don't work. You need to use snail mail and be respectful.

[Beast]

Now that issue three is out, what are the sales on the first three issues? What were the sales of the Season II issues?
We don't have sales info on Issue #3 yet. But according to the sales chart...

12/07 Ultimates 3 #1 of 5 - 131,401 + (12,683 Reorders)
01/07 Ultimates 3 #2 of 5 - 113,033

Ultimates 2:

12/04 Ultimates 2 #1 - 146,271
01/05 Ultimates 2 #2 - 114,963
02/05 Ultimates 2 #3 - 108,378
03/05 Ultimates 2 #4 - 105,255
04/05 Ultimates 2 #5 - 103,472
05/05 Ultimates 2 #6 - 102,026
07/05 Ultimates 2 #7 - 99,134
09/05 Ultimates 2 #8 - 95,980
12/05 Ultimates 2 #9 - 94,493
03/06 Ultimates 2 #10 - 94,900
06/06 Ultimates 2 #11 - 96,751
09/06 Ultimates 2 #12 - 99,538
05/07 Ultimates 2 #13 - 105,745

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Signed.

I know petitions don't work, but I'm just voicing my opinion. I'm not doing this to save the Ultimates, I just want better writing all around for Marvel and DC. And for this guy to continuously get big name titles even though his writing has been sub-par as of late is disheartening.

A lesser known writer should have taken this title. Heck, Gage or Ellis should have taken this title. Oh, and an artist that can keep a schedule without getting a massive head start would be great too.

[Brian M.]

Signed.

I know petitions don't work, but I'm just voicing my opinion. I'm not doing this to save the Ultimates, I just want better writing all around for Marvel and DC. And for this guy to continuously get big name titles even though his writing has been sub-par as of late is disheartening.

A lesser known writer should have taken this title. Heck, Gage or Ellis should have taken this title. Oh, and an artist that can keep a schedule without getting a massive head start would be great too.

I don't see a problem with giving an artist a head start...

[Beast]

I don't see a problem with giving an artist a head start...
Exactly. Especially with all the insane delays that plagued Ultimates 1 and 2.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Problem is, it shouldn't take massive delays for it to go on time.

Thing is, I don't trust Mad. After Battle Chasers, I just don't. I didn't like Hitch delaying 1 and 2, but don't value Mad's art nearly as much, so it's worse on him.

[Brian M.]

Problem is, it shouldn't take massive delays for it to go on time.

Thing is, I don't trust Mad. After Battle Chasers, I just don't. I didn't like Hitch delaying 1 and 2, but don't value Mad's art nearly as much, so it's worse on him.

So it's not that you really don't think it's bad to give them lead time, it's just you don't like Joe Mad art. Gotcha.

[prodigy]

Yeah, cause Marvel's going to listen to a bunch of crying fanboys over the sales the book is getting. ;)
Doesn't matter. If you wanna be immature and not contribute anything to this thread, then leave.

Obviously, this isn't a thread for people who somehow like Ultimates 3.

[Brian M.]

Doesn't matter. If you wanna be immature and not contribute anything to this thread, then leave.

Obviously, this isn't a thread for people who somehow like Ultimates 3.


Well the wording of the petition isn't exactly civil and really doesn't do a great job of getting across your point of veiw. When you insult the writer how do you expect the company to really take you serious? Presentation is pretty important and it'll help your voice get heard.

[Beast]

Well the wording of the petition isn't exactly civil and really doesn't do a great job of getting across your point of veiw. When you insult the writer how do you expect the company to really take you serious? Presentation is pretty important and it'll help your voice get heard.
Well said. But it's the internet fanboys. Easier to be rude than constructive.

[carabas]

Now that issue three is out, what are the sales on the first three issues? What were the sales of the Season II issues?Season 3 scores a bit lower, not that it matters much since sales on #1 & #2 are based on previews and were ordered sight unseen.

[DeadXMan]

At this point I won't these guys fanboys.

just a bunch of whiners thinking that using the Internet's Vail of invisibility to ruthlessly bash someone, Makes them cool.

you want know what the best way to tell marvel is with your wallet.
don't buy it, don't skim through it in the LCS, don't dl from a torrent. don't even post why you hate it, it is dead to you. posting your hatred is driving people to check it out, and see what hub bub is all about, and most of the time they like it and buys the title and that makes marvel money and that keeps lobe writing.

[Beast]

Season 3 scores a bit lower, not that it matters much since sales on #1 & #2 are based on previews and were ordered sight unseen.
They are? Cause on average they're higher than Ultimates 2. But ignoring the date is easier, isn't it?

12/07 Ultimates 3 #1 of 5 - 131,401 + (12,683 Reorders) = 143,084
01/07 Ultimates 3 #2 of 5 - 113,033

Ultimates 2:

12/04 Ultimates 2 #1 - 146,271
01/05 Ultimates 2 #2 - 114,963
02/05 Ultimates 2 #3 - 108,378
03/05 Ultimates 2 #4 - 105,255
04/05 Ultimates 2 #5 - 103,472
05/05 Ultimates 2 #6 - 102,026
07/05 Ultimates 2 #7 - 99,134
09/05 Ultimates 2 #8 - 95,980
12/05 Ultimates 2 #9 - 94,493
03/06 Ultimates 2 #10 - 94,900
06/06 Ultimates 2 #11 - 96,751
09/06 Ultimates 2 #12 - 99,538
05/07 Ultimates 2 #13 - 105,745

[Blader5489]

Sales are high because: a) it's only a 5-part book, and b) Joe Mad.

Nobody in their right mind is buying this for Loeb's writing.

[Beast]

Sales are high because: a) it's only a 5-part book, and b) Joe Mad.

Nobody in their right mind is buying this for Loeb's writing.
Well, I for one don't care about either of them. I'm buying it cause I enjoy it.

[Flâneur]

It's not like this will matter at all - subscriptions and initial orders were made based on the name of the book, not the writer and the series is so short and comics ordered so far in advance that Marvel's sales won't really drop even if people completely stop buying right now. Ultimates 4 is already finished too, apparently, so Marvel won't dismiss material they've already bought simply because of an online petition. They'd also be more prone to lose confidence in the title than Loeb at this point, which would be counter-productive, so unless EVERY Loeb title plummets in sales then nothing will happen.

[Shadow ES]

I feel like signing it would be like saying that I want him on some other Marvel title, when in reality I want to sign one saying I want him out of Marvel's office. I haven't enjoyed any print materials from him since Dark Victory.

His work on Heroes was ok.

[Blader5489]

Well, I for one don't care about either of them. I'm buying it cause I enjoy it.

I'm not talking about what you care about, I'm trying to explain why Ultimates 3 sales are generally so high--an argument that you introduced to this thread. Shorter books tend to sell more copies than longer ones (hence why so many new titles are launched and older ones relaunched).

Hell, as long as we're playing the numbers game, I should probably point out that Ultimates 3 thus far is still selling less than Ultimates 2 did (3.1 sold less than 2.1, 3.2 sold less than 2.2).

[sparta28090]

Looks Like Cap has beat us to it! Thanks Steve, you are the coolest!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/sparta28090/cap_letter.jpg

[chrismileslord]

I'm not talking about what you care about, I'm trying to explain why Ultimates 3 sales are generally so high--an argument that you introduced to this thread. Shorter books tend to sell more copies than longer ones (hence why so many new titles are launched and older ones relaunched).

Hell, as long as we're playing the numbers game, I should probably point out that Ultimates 3 thus far is still selling less than Ultimates 2 did (3.1 sold less than 2.1, 3.2 sold less than 2.2).

while it still may sell a little less than Ultimates 2, it still sells better than alot of other books, and to Marvel, sales means success. I think it is awesome all together though.

[Brian M.]

Looks Like Cap has beat us to it! Thanks Steve, you are the coolest!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/sparta28090/cap_letter.jpg

That can't be written by Steve Rogers, he can spell.

[NickThompson]

Petition, meet sales. Sales is bigger than you ;)

[chrismileslord]

That can't be written by Steve Rogers, he can spell.

HAHA Good Game. Well played sir.

[carabas]

They are? Cause on average they're higher than Ultimates 2. But ignoring the date is easier, isn't it?

12/07 Ultimates 3 #1 of 5 - 131,401 + (12,683 Reorders) = 143,084
01/07 Ultimates 3 #2 of 5 - 113,033

Ultimates 2:

12/04 Ultimates 2 #1 - 146,271
01/05 Ultimates 2 #2 - 114,963
I don't get it. I hadn't seen the reorder numbers when I made my post, but even with those Ultimates 2 is outselling it by 2000.

[sparta28090]

Touche' my friends! That was a major mistake on my part when I was joking around, and hehehe now the joke is on me.

This scene was really funny at another message board. We all took turns leaving a last letter to Stark from Cap. I have enclosed it below if you want to have fun with it....so, enjoy!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/sparta28090/Cap_letter_Tonybmp.jpg

[sparta28090]

Touche' my friends! That was a major mistake on my part when I was joking around, and hehehe now the joke is on me.

This scene was really funny at another message board. We all took turns leaving a last letter to Stark from Cap. I have enclosed it below if you want to have fun with it....so, enjoy!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/sparta28090/Cap_letter_Tonybmp.jpg

[sparta28090]

Touche' my friends! That was a major mistake on my part when I was joking around, and hehehe now the joke is on me.

This scene was really funny at another message board. We all took turns leaving a last letter to Stark from Cap. I have enclosed it below if you want to have fun with it....so, enjoy!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/sparta28090/Cap_letter_Tonybmp.jpg

[Angelus II]

Is this very going to work? I don't think they going to get rid of Loeb just because 1/4 of the fans doesn't like it.

Don't read it!!!

[Pach!]

LOL. I love the petition. It is the best thing ever! Even Angelina Jolie, Kanye West, John Byrne and Ultimate Hulk have signed!

[MrPunch0]

I've got to agree ... the petition isn't going to do squat.

Like all beloved comic book titles, they must go through a period of horrible writing and art in order for you to really appreciate the good stuff when it comes back.

That being said, Thank God this series is only half the length of the first two.

[Joe Franklin]

Obviously, this isn't a thread for people who somehow like Ultimates 3.

Well over 100K fans liked it according to the sales figures, so Loeb wins.:)

[prodigy]

Petition, meet sales. Sales is bigger than you ;)
Care, meet NickThompson. Care can't find you. ;)

Well over 100K fans liked it according to the sales figures, so Loeb wins.:)
Well I couldn't give a damn according to the fact that I already mentioned this wasn't a thread for fans of the book. So I wins. :)

[Joe Franklin]

Well I couldn't give a damn according to the fact that I already mentioned this wasn't a thread for fans of the book. So I wins. :)

You as 1 fan are not important to Marvel, but the over 100k masses of fans are. Loeb wins.:)

[prodigy]

You as 1 fan are not important to Marvel, but the over 100k masses of fans are. Loeb wins.:)
That's nice. Really. I mean, it's not like that hasn't already been mentioned, or as if the thought hadn't already crossed my mind.


You can leave the thread now k.

[Joe Franklin]

That's nice. Really. I mean, it's not like that hasn't already been mentioned, or as if the thought hadn't already crossed my mind.


You can leave the thread now k.


I like this thread, it's my favorite. Why would I leave it?;) :D

[Brian M.]

I like this thread, it's my favorite. Why would I leave it?;) :D

Exactly I like it too. It provides good comedic relief. I love all the people who signed it too. Probably 5 actual names on the whole thing.

[Pach!]

Care, meet NickThompson. Care can't find you. ;)


Well I couldn't give a damn according to the fact that I already mentioned this wasn't a thread for fans of the book. So I wins. :)

You must be confused about the concept of win.

[desanth]

Petition won't do a thing, but I think its the thought that counts. That's why I signed it. Thought the note to Tony Stark was hilarious too, I was cracking up.

[Joe Franklin]

Petition won't do a thing, but I think its the thought that counts.

Counts for what? A fanboyish rant? That's all.;) :D

[desanth]

Counts for what? A fanboyish rant? That's all.;) :D

It sounds like you're a Loeb fanboy. I think people that don't like Loeb's stuff are entitled to say so, just as people who do like it are entitled to say so. But you continually commenting here at least bumps this thread to the top and gives it more attention, so whatever dude, keep it coming.

[Joe Franklin]

It sounds like you're a Loeb fanboy.

Nope. I'm a Joe Madureira fanboy.:cool:

[carabas]

Well over 100K fans liked it according to the sales figures, so Loeb wins.:)Well, all you can really tell is that retailers ordeerd 108K of the things. If and how much the fans actually liked them remains to be seen.

[Brian M.]

There's a difference in being a fan of Loeb and trying to point out how poorly written this petition is. You complain about how bad Ultimates 3 has been written and then go and produce a petition that equals the same poor quality you complain about.

If you came off articulate and civil and like an actual human being it might get SOME attention but an intern at Marvel. But the way this is written, you've turned it into a joke instead.

[desanth]

Nope. I'm a Joe Madureira fanboy.:cool:

Well then that makes even less sense to me. Why would you care about a petition getting rid of Loeb then? :confused:

Know what, forget it, I don't want to know what fanboys think.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Somebody hacked the crap outta this poll. If it wasn't gonna be effective before, it'll never be now.

Thanks for the maturity to those who posted all that crap in there.

[Brian M.]

Somebody hacked the crap outta this poll. If it wasn't gonna be effective before, it'll never be now.

Thanks for the maturity to those who posted all that crap in there.

It matches the maturity of the statement that leads off that petition.

[desanth]

Somebody hacked the crap outta this poll. If it wasn't gonna be effective before, it'll never be now.

Thanks for the maturity to those who posted all that crap in there.

Its the internet, so people sign with fake names and post 'funny' stuff. If you get a real life petition, most of these people wouldn't have the balls to do such things. Of course you wouldn't get as much exposure either. The statement was pretty bad, next time don't put a statement. It's not like anyone will take the poll seriously and it could just say "Sign if you want to remove Jeff Loeb from writing for what is called the Ultimate Universe". You'll even net more people who might just dislike Jeff Loeb because he looks funny.

[Beast]

It matches the maturity of the statement that leads off that petition.
Heh. Bingo.

[Radical_dreamer]

You people are really detached from reality sometimes.

A) The book is selling like crazy.
B) It's 5-issues long. And already halfway long. Yes, Marvel would stop Mad! from drawing the last issues because Prodigy made a petition.
C) Your opinion is not universal.
D) NEVER has online whining changed the direction of a high selling book...or even a low selling one, really. Re-assess your importance in the industry to a more realistic level.
E) Get a clue.

Cheers

[Blader5489]

Yes, Marvel would stop Mad! from drawing the last issues

Actually, I believe those issues are (and have been) in the can--which is this book is actually shipping on time.

[Young Avenger]

I hate Ultimates 3 as well but this petition is absolutely pointless. Its bad enough that the presention is piss poor but the series is already halfway done. This petition is a waste of time and webspace.

[The Ray]

Here are some of the signatures.

99. Elliot McElliot eggo waffles are DEEEE-LI-SHUS !
98. Clifford Zmeck
97. Kingsumo Autoerotic asphyxiation as as legitimate a fetish as any of the so-called "normal" ones.
96. Esteban Figueroa Donde esta el banyo?
95. DeeeEssss Give me tips for picking up girls in bars for one night stands
94. cuando me chupas los huevos? chupa chup.
93. Rich Johnston
92. T. Archer Loeb for Pres! Loeb for Pres of Ultimate Marvel Universe! UNIVEERSSSSSS!
91. Johnny Utah Rich Johnston is the only white man to make me moist.
90. SDave So, we were talking and she asked me if I was the jealous type.
89. Jervis Tetch
88. Lame Mishuevos me encanta!
87. Zombie Speedball Wearing women's underwear is a welcome distraction from the stresses of my day.
86. Loe Brocks yeah!
85. Minston Molf
84. Dan Didio I want him for Infinite Crisis of the Final Earth
83. Kefky I like to eat poop.
82. Wark Willar
81. Day V So, guess who just called?
80. Jessie Spano I'm so exciiiited, I'm so exciiiited, I'm so...scared!!!
79. Lori Lemaris
78. Arnold Schwarzennegger Jenny is all that matters now...
77. Todd MacFarlane I wouldn't even make sub-standard action figures out of this garbage.
76. Jason Santana http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=142756 hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
75. Kamandi
74. Louie I want to dip my BALLS in it!
73. D No, here's the thing. She canceled twice, and now stood me up. That's three strikes. I no longer want this girl. I want nothing more to do with her. Unless last night was an honest to god mistake, then there is nothing I want to salvage. That is why I sent that message.
72. Christopher Chance
71. Thomas Monaghan
70. Will Eisner Help! Let me out of this box!

[ultimate hulk]

we don't expect any results from the petition,it's the freaking thought that counts.
everyone's sitting on their asses complaining about loeb horrible writing,and now when someone decides to to do a petition! everyone's complaining about how it won't work.
i'm sure the guy who made the petition didn't expect it to freaking work,he probably wanted to see how many people hated loeb work on ultimates 3

at least he had the balls to try something new! rather than sit on his ass complaining and doing nothing!

[ultimate hulk]

loeb needs to be on 616.

[ultimate hulk]

loeb! leave the ultimate universe alone!

[ultimate hulk]

we don't expect any results from the petition,it's the freaking thought that counts.
everyone's sitting on their asses complaining about loeb horrible writing,and now when someone decides to to do a petition! everyone's complaining about how it won't work.
i'm sure the guy who made the petition didn't expect it to freaking work,he probably wanted to see how many people hated loeb work on ultimates 3

at least he had the balls to try something new! rather than sit on his ass complaining and doing nothing!

[DeadXMan]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r314/raggtyman/it%20tools/threadrevival.jpg
dis you really needed to post three times to say that?

[DeadXMan]

oh Irony double post

[prodigy]

Kid Kamikaze10, ultimate hulk, I love y'all.

[Brian M.]

loeb! leave the ultimate universe alone!

Anyone hearing an echo?

We're not making fun of the petition b/c he's trying to get his point across, it's how he is getting his point across. A little tact is helpful when trying to persaude someone to do something for you.

You don't walk into a room full of people you persaude and say "Hey, you dumbshits over there, you're gonna listen to me b/c I know more shit than you, so just take my advice, my well thought out statement here and fucking listen to me"

It doesn't work like that.

[We R. Venom]

I love Ultimates 3. I havnt gotten to read #3 fully yet though. I love this book so far really. The art was what attracted me too it and the writing is what kept me on it. Just great writing! I love how all the characters are being portrayed and I'm going to get the trade when it's all said in done. I never really cared at all about the ultimate universe except maybe a few ultimate spidey trades but now i'm sure I will check some other stuff out too.

[ewan the didge]

it takes one good idea to change the world nd when it comes down to it there rigting thees storys for us and anough complantes will force them into acton:evilsmile

[ThePhenom]

we don't expect any results from the petition,it's the freaking thought that counts.
everyone's sitting on their asses complaining about loeb horrible writing,and now when someone decides to to do a petition! everyone's complaining about how it won't work.
i'm sure the guy who made the petition didn't expect it to freaking work,he probably wanted to see how many people hated loeb work on ultimates 3

at least he had the balls to try something new! rather than sit on his ass complaining and doing nothing!

Doing something... with the knowledge you will achieve nothing.

Let's ponder.

[Beast]

You know, complaining in multiple posts doesn't make your argument any stronger. ;)

[We R. Venom]

we don't expect any results from the petition,it's the freaking thought that counts.
everyone's sitting on their asses complaining about loeb horrible writing,and now when someone decides to to do a petition! everyone's complaining about how it won't work.
i'm sure the guy who made the petition didn't expect it to freaking work,he probably wanted to see how many people hated loeb work on ultimates 3

at least he had the balls to try something new! rather than sit on his ass complaining and doing nothing!

Let me asure you that creating useless petitions is nothing new in the world of comics. Barry Allen is still dead, Amazing Spider-man is the #1 book, and Loeb will continue to write Ultimates.

[ultimate hulk]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r314/raggtyman/it%20tools/threadrevival.jpg
dis you really needed to post three times to say that?

listen dude! i'm not trying to get my post count up.it's just it happen that everytime i tried posting.
the damed page wasn't opening up,thus resulting in multiple postings.:D

[ultimate hulk]

Let me asure you that creating useless petitions is nothing new in the world of comics. Barry Allen is still dead, Amazing Spider-man is the #1 book, and Loeb will continue to write Ultimates.

hopefully not for long.:D

[ultimate hulk]

You know, complaining in multiple posts doesn't make your argument any stronger. ;)

i know it doesn't loeb! i mean beast! it was multiple posting mistake.:D

[ultimate hulk]

Doing something... with the knowledge you will achieve nothing.

Let's ponder.

at least prodigy had the balls to put his words into action,and wasn't just all talk,you know what i mean.:D

[ultimate hulk]

Anyone hearing an echo?

We're not making fun of the petition b/c he's trying to get his point across, it's how he is getting his point across. A little tact is helpful when trying to persaude someone to do something for you.

You don't walk into a room full of people you persaude and say "Hey, you dumbshits over there, you're gonna listen to me b/c I know more shit than you, so just take my advice, my well thought out statement here and fucking listen to me"

It doesn't work like that.

sometimes my friend,you have to use filthy words to get your point across.:D

[ultimate hulk]

Kid Kamikaze10, ultimate hulk, I love y'all.

thanks man!:D

[Beast]

i know it doesn't loeb! i mean beast! it was multiple posting mistake.:D
Hah. The lame fanboy argument of calling out someone who likes the book as the writer. Cute.

And if that's the case, what's the excuse this time for the multiple replies?
sometimes my friend,you have to use filthy words to get your point across.:D
No, you really don't. Swearing for the sake of swearing denotes a lack of intelligence and class.

[Superbeast]

Quesada has stated Loeb is one of his favourite writers and would be next in line as Editor-In-Chief if he didn't have so many projects to handle. Unless someone makes a deal with Mephisto, we're all going to just hope this is revealed to have taken place in the Supreme Power universe instead during Ultimates Volume 5.

[Brian M.]

sometimes my friend,you have to use filthy words to get your point across.:D

No, it never is needed to get your point across. You would never talk to a boss like that.

[Joe Franklin]

No, it never is needed to get your point across. You would never talk to a boss like that.

If you are talking to your 13 year old comic book pals it works.;)

[Brian M.]

If you are talking to your 13 year old comic book pals it works.;)

Remember the first time you cursed with your friends and nothing bad happened to you? Freedom man, freedom.

[Joe Franklin]

Remember the first time you cursed with your friends and nothing bad happened to you? Freedom man, freedom.

Hanging out in our homemade fort, looking at dirty magazines, smoking stolen cigs and drinking beer from our fathers stash, and cursing like sailors. It was awesome times.:)

[Joe Franklin]

Ultimates vol.3 #1 second printing has sold out as well. Loeb wins again.:)
http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.2700.Ultimates_3_%231_Sells_Out_Again%21

[Beast]

Hanging out in our homemade fort, looking at dirty magazines, smoking stolen cigs and drinking beer from our fathers stash, and cursing like sailors. It was awesome times.:)
So apperantly you lived in a 'Stand By Me' reality?

[Beast]

Ultimates vol.3 #1 second printing has sold out as well. Loeb wins again.:)
http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.2700.Ultimates_3_%231_Sells_Out_Again%21
Wooo!! Congrats to Jeph Loeb, Joe Mad, and their fans!! :D

[Joe Franklin]

So apperantly you lived in a 'Stand By Me' reality?

Yep, Grew up in small town Oklahoma. :)

[Brian M.]

So apperantly you lived in a 'Stand By Me' reality?

I lived in that reality too. It really was a shitty clubhouse we had.

[Joe Franklin]

I lived in that reality too. It really was a shitty clubhouse we had.

My tree clubhouse was biult in a tree that hovered over a pond, so me and my pals fished for crawdads and perch all the time. It was a piece of junk clubhouse, but it was our piece of junk clubhouse.:cool:

[ThePhenom]

at least prodigy had the balls to put his words into action,and wasn't just all talk,you know what i mean.:D

I mean I get that, but being critical of work is pretty much within the point of a forum, without subjective opinions everyone would just be repeating what happened.

I hate Loeb's work on the title thus far, I whinge about it on this forum, but I don't believe that I can stop him from writing it, I don't feel empassioned enough to actually try and I think it would be mean-spirited if any of this actually came into fruition.

[Joe Franklin]

I mean I get that, but being critical of work is pretty much within the point of a forum, without subjective opinions everyone would just be repeating what happened.

I hate Loeb's work on the title thus far, I whinge about it on this forum, but I don't believe that I can stop him from writing it, I don't feel empassioned enough to actually try and I think it would be mean-spirited if any of this actually came into fruition.

:eek: Not to mention that he wished that Loeb would somehow die, so he couldn't write the Ultimates any longer.

[Mister Mets]

Petitions/ online movements can sometimes delay the cancellation of a book with low sales. I can't think of a single instance of online fans convincing a major comics company to reject a bestseller. It just doesn't work that way.

[Tobias March]

Petitions/ online movements can sometimes delay the cancellation of a book with low sales. I can't think of a single instance of online fans convincing a major comics company to reject a bestseller. It just doesn't work that way.

Oh, erm.....IF I Did It by O. J. Simpson. Was already a best seller on advance orders. Got pulled by Murdoch for undue emotional upset and then the monies were claimed by the family of one of the victims.

Take Loeb's paycheck and give it to Miller and Hitch as reparations money!

[Joe Franklin]

Take Loeb's paycheck and give it to Miller and Hitch as reparations money!


Millar should get it over Miller.:D

[Tobias March]

Millar should get it over Miller.:D

Oh I don't know.... ;)

[prodigy]

You know, complaining in multiple posts doesn't make your argument any stronger. ;)

Anyone hearing an echo?

We're not making fun of the petition b/c he's trying to get his point across, it's how he is getting his point across. A little tact is helpful when trying to persaude someone to do something for you.

You don't walk into a room full of people you persaude and say "Hey, you dumbshits over there, you're gonna listen to me b/c I know more shit than you, so just take my advice, my well thought out statement here and fucking listen to me"

It doesn't work like that.

If you are talking to your 13 year old comic book pals it works.;)
What exactly are the three of you doing here? You know full damn well this was an anti-Loeb thread and you're in here trying to get people riled up.

You desperately need to get lives. Pathetic.

[Beast]

Oh, erm.....IF I Did It by O. J. Simpson. Was already a best seller on advance orders. Got pulled by Murdoch for undue emotional upset and then the monies were claimed by the family of one of the victims.

Take Loeb's paycheck and give it to Miller and Hitch as reparations money!
I don't care how much you don't like Loeb. He's not murdered someone. :rolleyes:

[Beast]

What exactly are the three of you doing here? You know full damn well this was an anti-Loeb thread and you're in here trying to get people riled up.

You desperately need to get lives. Pathetic.
And you made this thread why? To get people riled up. To rip into a writer you don't like.

We know you don't want anyone arguing that the book is actually good and enjoyable, but that's just tough.

[ultimate hulk]

Hah. The lame fanboy argument of calling out someone who likes the book as the writer. Cute.

And if that's the case, what's the excuse this time for the multiple replies?

No, you really don't. Swearing for the sake of swearing denotes a lack of intelligence and class.

swearing my friend,makes you feel good.
why do you think people swear?anyway enough with that!

i dispised people with intelligence and class,they're nothing but a bunch of pretenders,they're no different from anyone else.

[ultimate hulk]

And you made this thread why? To get people riled up. To rip into a writer you don't like.

We know you don't want anyone arguing that the book is actually good and enjoyable, but that's just tough.

good and enjoyable? hahahaha you're so funny man!
you always know how to tell a good joke.:D
best damed joke i have heard in awhile,i haven't laugh this hard in a long time.
thanks for making me laugh man,i needed that.:D

[Brian M.]

Oh, erm.....IF I Did It by O. J. Simpson. Was already a best seller on advance orders. Got pulled by Murdoch for undue emotional upset and then the monies were claimed by the family of one of the victims.

Take Loeb's paycheck and give it to Miller and Hitch as reparations money!

You seriously aren't comparing a book about superheroes to a book about a guy who killed his ex-wife and her boyfriend?

What exactly are the three of you doing here? You know full damn well this was an anti-Loeb thread and you're in here trying to get people riled up.

You desperately need to get lives. Pathetic.

This from kid who wished Jeph Loeb to die...hilarious.

[Floyd The Barber]

I signed it.
You know...
All wild comparisons and uppity defensiveness aside...
Ultimates 3 #1 could easily fit into the top 20 or so worst comics I've read in my 25 years of reading comics.
I mean seriuosly...
the book had mischaracterizations, pointless fights, a comic book "death" and implied incest all wrapped up into like what...8 panels total?
How bad do you need it to be?
I could not fathom the tastes of anyone who would consider that a good read.

[DeadXMan]

It been hinted for last two volumes.

And sometimes you need to see pointless fights
why do think the new rambo was hit?

[Floyd The Barber]

It been hinted for last two volumes.


With the difference being Millar understands subtlety. Plus it's still gross...


And sometimes you need to see pointless fights

Uh...I don't know man. I kinda like it everything better with a "point".

why do think the new rambo was hit?

Because America eats up that type of soldier-savior stuff? And to tell the truth, to me, all the fights and killing in all the Rambo movies combined made more sense than that Venom fight.

[DeadXMan]

no they don't cause Rambo III pays tribute to the taliban.:p

[Floyd The Barber]

no they don't cause Rambo III pays tribute to the taliban.:p

Say huh who wha? I haven't actually seen the new one but I pray to God you're not serious!
:eek:

[ultimate hulk]

You seriously aren't comparing a book about superheroes to a book about a guy who killed his ex-wife and her boyfriend?



This from kid who wished Jeph Loeb to die...hilarious.

look man! all of us who liked ultimates 1,2 felt betrayed by marvel.
why give loeb who wanted to kill the ultimates and made them into the avengers the damed book to write?
it's going to harm the book in the end,because all the loeb lovers will leave when loeb is gone.
it's us the true ultimates fans who will stick around,you know?

prodigy and mothmonsterman are some of the people who are very hurt by what loeb is doing to our precious universe.

loeb belong in the 616 universe where horrible writing is always considered good.

[DeadXMan]

remember this was a good 14 yrs before 9/11, but yeah at the end of the film they dedicated it to the Afghan resistance fighters. (which compose of the taliban and the predecessor to Al quida. We trained UBL to be a guerrilla.)

I think they removed it on the re-releases

[DeadXMan]

look man! all of us who liked ultimates 1,2 felt betrayed by marvel.
why give loeb who wanted to kill the ultimates and made them into the avengers the damed book to write?
it's going to harm the book in the end,because all the loeb lovers will leave when loeb is gone.
it's us the true ultimates fans who will stick around,you know?

prodigy and mothmonsterman are some of the people who are very hurt by what loeb is doing to our precious universe.

loeb belong in the 616 universe where horrible writing is always considered good.

I've read& liked one and 2
I have no, problems with three.
and i wouldn't say i'm a loeb fan, his wolverine run was the worst I've read in years
he is responible fo the mess called Onslught and help in heroes reborn

[Floyd The Barber]

remember this was a good 14 yrs before 9/11, but yeah at the end of the film they dedicated it to the Afghan resistance fighters. (which compose of the taliban and the predecessor to Al quida. We trained UBL to be a guerrilla.)

I think they removed it on the re-releases

Oh...OK. I was thinking 3 was the newest one. How many have there been??? Sheesh. I think I only saw the 1st 2.

[DeadXMan]

four
1. in the USA dealing with shell shock and how they were treated when they got back home.(original ending have him kill himself, but changed due to audience polls)
2 he went back to Nam to pull out missing POWs
3 went to Afghanistan to rescue the col.
4. Joins some mercs to rescue missionaries from Burmese army

[Floyd The Barber]

four
1. in the USA dealing with shell shock and how they were treated when they got back home.(original ending have him kill himself, but changed due to audience polls)
2 he went back to Nam to pull out missing POWs
3 went to Afghanistan to rescue the col.
4. Joins some mercs to rescue missionaries from Burmese army

Yep. I only remember the 1st 2. Although from what you've said I think I'm kinda glad I missed #3.

[DeadXMan]

Yep. I only remember the 1st 2. Although from what you've said I think I'm kinda glad I missed #3.

you missing out on the hightest body count in a movie ever,untill the fourth movie came out
the helicopter chase between a cobra and a hinD.

just remember it takes place in 88 and is an action movie all the way
little story, massive explosions
Like a certain writer we're debating about.(Who also wrote Arnold's Commando movie and teen wolf)

[Brian M.]

look man! all of us who liked ultimates 1,2 felt betrayed by marvel.
why give loeb who wanted to kill the ultimates and made them into the avengers the damed book to write?
it's going to harm the book in the end,because all the loeb lovers will leave when loeb is gone.
it's us the true ultimates fans who will stick around,you know?

prodigy and mothmonsterman are some of the people who are very hurt by what loeb is doing to our precious universe.

loeb belong in the 616 universe where horrible writing is always considered good.

You're under the impression I didn't like 1 and 2. I did. A lot. Probably some of the best comics I've read. But this book from the start, was never going to be that. No one is really argueing with you b/c you don't like that book, it's rude, childish manner in which you folks insult others who are trying to enjoy it. Liking this book doesn't mean you're somekind of Loeb lover as you put it, just trying to read the new chapter in the Ultimates. So jump off the high off or join the conversation like an adult, unless you're under 18 then get parental permission.

[Beast]

You're under the impression I didn't like 1 and 2. I did. A lot. Probably some of the best comics I've read. But this book from the start, was never going to be that. No one is really argueing with you b/c you don't like that book, it's rude, childish manner in which you folks insult others who are trying to enjoy it. Liking this book doesn't mean you're somekind of Loeb lover as you put it, just trying to read the new chapter in the Ultimates. So jump off the high off or join the conversation like an adult, unless you're under 18 then get parental permission.
Bingo. I liked Ultimates 1 and 2.

Millar does Political Comics better than anyone else.

So I'm glad Loeb didn't try. Not to mention it wouldn't fit where Millar left things at the end of 2.

[Brian M.]

Bingo. I liked Ultimates 1 and 2.

Millar does Political Comics better than anyone else.

So I'm glad Loeb didn't try. Not to mention it wouldn't fit where Millar left things at the end of 2.

Exactly. I give Marvel credit that they didn't try and continue the tone that Millar brought. It would have ended really badly. Now Loeb has screwed up a bit on some continuity issues, I'm not a big fan of the new Thor, but I love Hawkeye's new direction so it's some quid pro quo for me. I really loved Ultimate Tony and hope to see what Loeb is trying to do w/ him. Other than some dialogue that feels a bit forced and Ultimate Thor's new characterization, I like the plot, it's a decent murder mystery.

[ultimate hulk]

You're under the impression I didn't like 1 and 2. I did. A lot. Probably some of the best comics I've read. But this book from the start, was never going to be that. No one is really argueing with you b/c you don't like that book, it's rude, childish manner in which you folks insult others who are trying to enjoy it. Liking this book doesn't mean you're somekind of Loeb lover as you put it, just trying to read the new chapter in the Ultimates. So jump off the high off or join the conversation like an adult, unless you're under 18 then get parental permission.

i guess you just like comics for the sake of liking comics? it doesn't matter how bad the comic is,you will read it won't you?
the new chapter sucks,it's an insult to good writing and i hope they recton that nonsense.:D

[Beast]

i guess you just like comics for the sake of liking comics? it doesn't matter how bad the comic is,you will read it won't you?
the new chapter sucks,it's an insult to good writing and i hope they recton that nonsense.:D
No. He just happens to enjoy a book that you don't. And no, Brian doesn't read books he doesn't like.

You're just simply going to have to realize that not everyone feels the same way you do.

And they're not going to retcon anything. Considering they've pretty much given Loeb the keys to the U.U. And you're so fired up about Loeb respecting Millar's continuity, but keep crying about wanting Loeb's retconned.

Hypocritical much?

[jpk]

i guess you just like comics for the sake of liking comics? it doesn't matter how bad the comic is,you will read it won't you?
the new chapter sucks,it's an insult to good writing and i hope they recton that nonsense.:D

I don't even know what to say to this. I didn't realize that we had christened an arbiter of good taste here on the boards.

You don't like Loeb's arc. We respect that. But others do like it, so let them have their own opinions about it.

[Croaker]

I don't even know what to say to this. I didn't realize that we had christened an arbiter of good taste here on the boards.

You don't like Loeb's arc. We respect that. But others do like it, so let them have their own opinions about it.

You dare speak out against the Arbiter of Good Taste!? Kneel before Zo--- er JPK!

[ultimate hulk]

No. He just happens to enjoy a book that you don't. And no, Brian doesn't read books he doesn't like.

You're just simply going to have to realize that not everyone feels the same way you do.

And they're not going to retcon anything. Considering they've pretty much given Loeb the keys to the U.U. And you're so fired up about Loeb respecting Millar's continuity, but keep crying about wanting Loeb's retconned.

Hypocritical much?

what continuity is loeb respecting? ok ok maybe he's trying too hard,i can forgive a guy for that.

but,i have a beef with loeb! he made the ultimate hulk lose to the thing!
that's an unforgivable act.it's something that can never and will never be forgiven.:D

[Beast]

what continuity is loeb respecting? ok ok maybe he's trying too hard,i can forgive a guy for that.

but,i have a beef with loeb! he made the ultimate hulk lose to the thing!
that's an unforgivable act.it's something that can never and will never be forgiven.:D
So that's your major beef with Loeb? It made sense in the context of the issue.

[Lombardo!]

if titles never changed their 'feels', we would have missed out on many great things. Morrison's Doom Patrol to the mindf(#& it was. Miller's Daredevil's gritty noir epic it became. PAD's X-Factor's pulpy detective book. Bru's espionage Captain America.

wishing Ultimates would have kept its 'political' feel once Millar and Hitch left is futile. i dont think Marvel gave any illusions in regards to this. they even cut the ties to SHIELD at the end of U2.

[carabas]

wishing Ultimates would have kept its 'political' feel once Millar and Hitch left is futile. i dont think Marvel gave any illusions in regards to this. they even cut the ties to SHIELD at the end of U2.I do believe that it is possible to loose the political feel of the book without completely reimagining all of the characters like Loeb has done. There is not a single one of them that even seems like the same person as the ones from vol. 1 and 2.

[Floyd The Barber]

I do believe that it is possible to loose the political feel of the book without completely reimagining all of the characters like Loeb has done. There is not a single one of them that even seems like the same person as the ones from vol. 1 and 2.

Some of them really did seem like different people. Especially Cap and Thor. I think what was missing was a lot of the humanity that Millar conveyed in the characters. Everyone acts so "over the top" in Lee's version. They're like caricatures instead of characters. It's like Ultimates X-TREME or something. And the vast contrast in Hitch's and Mad's art doesn't help that either.

[Abomination]

Yep, you might as well get over it. Ultimates 3 will never be the first two series. Millar is arguably the best writer in comics at the moment. Hitch is the perfect artist for the Ultimate U.

Joe Mads art, is inconsistant. One panel will be absolutely breathtaking and the next one will have Thor in it. Plus most of the costumes look absolutely ridiculous after the way they were protrayed by Hitch.

The story is fairly entertaining.

But the biggest difference in the style for me is this. When I was reading the 1st two series, they had the feel of realism. That these things were not out of the realm of possibility. It was almost like watching a live action movie in a comic book. The new book reads like a cartoon.

[Floyd The Barber]

It was almost like watching a live action movie in a comic book. The new book reads like a cartoon.

Bingo. That sums it up perfectly for me. Truth is, I've read a few good stories from Loeb, and back in the 90's I used to love Mad's X-Men. But this is just such a stark contrast in styles it's mesmerizing that Marvel wouldn't realize that there'd be a critical backlash.
It'd be like Jeff Smith doing a run on The Boys, Hellblazer, or MAX Punisher. As talented as Smith is, it'd still be all kinds of wrong.

[flapjaxx]

I agree that a petition is not going to change anything--especially since he's already under contract for future projects--but you guys should definitely do things like this if you feel that way. Marvel doesn't have time to read individual complaints, but a huge number of signatures like that is something they can readily interpret.

Millar does Political Comics better than anyone else.

You've got to be kidding me. This is like saying Murphy Brown was once the best news show on television. Pick up "Fax from Saravejo", "Real War Stories", or anything remotely like them. The number of posts you have vs. the breadth of comics knowledge is an astonishingly one-sided battle.

[DeadXMan]

numbers of real names on the list < numbers of comics sold.

[Reptisaurus!]

With the difference being Millar understands subtlety.

...............

Wow.

Saying the guy who wrote WANTED understands subtlety more than the guy who wrote THE LONG HALLOWEEN.

That's.... that's a [I]unique[I] opinion. I almost have to respect that.

[ultimate hulk]

jeff loeb is gone man! miller rules!
loeb is a traitor to the ultimate line.:D

[DeadXMan]

what your mad at lobe for having ult Thing (who has beaten a green hulk in another dimension) beating the ult Grey hulk, while the other guy had ult cap, beat him and manipulate him like a 70's villain always did?

[Floyd The Barber]

...............

Wow.

Saying the guy who wrote WANTED understands subtlety more than the guy who wrote THE LONG HALLOWEEN.

That's.... that's a [I]unique[I] opinion. I almost have to respect that.

I never actually read Wanted. And IMO to say Loeb has lost a few steps since Long Halloween would be putting it mildly. Either way I think anyone would have to concede that the subtlety of Ultimates 1 compared to Ultimates 3 would be like comparing a blowgun dart to a mace. And for the record... you'll find quite a few of my opinions are unique.

[carabas]

Saying the guy who wrote WANTED understands subtlety more than the guy who wrote THE LONG HALLOWEEN.If you look beyond Tim Sales' art, writing on The Long Halloween has all the subtlety of a Michael Bay movie.

[ultimate hulk]

what your mad at lobe for having ult Thing (who has beaten a green hulk in another dimension) beating the ult Grey hulk, while the other guy had ult cap, beat him and manipulate him like a 70's villain always did?

ultimate cap didn't beat the hulk.
are you telling me if you attack someone by surprise and knock them out,and then that said someone get back up and give you a good ass whooping,would you then still say you beat them?

we all know the only reason cap was able to manipulate hulk,because the hulk was thinking with his third leg,a fault every guy has.

the ultimate line is becoming too 616.i wanted to see the ultimate hulk cave in the thing skull.
all i freaking got was the thing saying how's got heart.what a load of bullsh!t.

and how the hell was wolverine able to pierce the hulk's body,i don't give a fuk about his healing factor,how the hell he's that strong?:D

[Reptisaurus!]

I never actually read Wanted. And IMO to say Loeb has lost a few steps since Long Halloween would be putting it mildly. Either way I think anyone would have to concede that the subtlety of Ultimates 1 compared to Ultimates 3 would be like comparing a blowgun dart to a mace. And for the record... you'll find quite a few of my opinions are unique.

Haven't actually read Ultimates 3, but it's hard for me to imagine any work LESS subtle than the Ultimates, or a writer less adept at using subtlety than Millar... at least since his Superman Adventures and Swamp THing days. Maybe a little bit in that eight pager he did with Quitely.

This doesn't make him a BAD writer, mind. This is superhero comics, not GOODBYE CHUNKY RICE or IT'S A GOOD LIFE IF YOU DON'T WEAKEN, and you Don't NEED a heck of a lotta subtelty. I love, love, love the first Ultimates series to pieces. It was brilliantly paced, characterized, and Kirby-esque (or, *gasp* even greater) in scope.

But subtle? Subtle like a kick to the crotch.

[DeadXMan]

ultimate cap didn't beat the hulk.
are you telling me if you attack someone by surprise and knock them out,and then that said someone get back up and give you a good ass whooping,would you then still say you beat them?

we all know the only reason cap was able to manipulate hulk,because the hulk was thinking with his third leg,a fault every guy has.

the ultimate line is becoming too 616.i wanted to see the ultimate hulk cave in the thing skull.
all i freaking got was the thing saying how's got heart.what a load of bullsh!t.

and how the hell was wolverine able to pierce the hulk's body,i don't give a fuk about his healing factor,how the hell he's that strong?:D


how is beating up and eating Skrulls cause cap say they told him they think Hulk was Gay is thinking with his third leg?


and you seem to forget one thing Ult Hulk is gray, the weakest form of hulks.

and it becoming like 616 cause it's continuity is getting as vast as the 616.

[carabas]

Haven't actually read Ultimates 3, but it's hard for me to imagine any work LESS subtle than the Ultimates, or a writer less adept at using subtlety than Millar...Maybe pick up an issue... You're in for an education in anti-subtleness. It really has to be seen to be believed.

[carabas]

and you seem to forget one thing Ult Hulk is gray, the weakest form of hulks.Ultimate Hulk didn't seem quite as powerful in the beginning when he was green.

[DeadXMan]

In Ult team-up?

yeah I would say he was at resting hulk strength then

then banner diluted his SS formula with Cap's Blood and made him more like Joe.

one things for a fact he is nowhere near his 616 counterpart in raw power

[carabas]

then banner diluted his SS formula with Cap's Blood and made him more like Joe.I think he concentrated it rather than dilluting it.

one things for a fact he is nowhere near his 616 counterpart in raw powerNo kidding. 616 Hulk has the sort of ludicrously silly powerlevel usually only found in silver age DC. It has no place in the Ultimate U.

[Reptisaurus!]

Maybe pick up an issue... You're in for an education in anti-subtleness. It really has to be seen to be believed.

I generally like Jeph Loeb and Joe Mad, and loved the first Ultimates series.

But this has been getting really bad reviews from most of the folks who share my tastes. And most of the folks who don't. If the trade shows up at the library I'll read it with an open mind, but enough people have said enough bad things about it that I'm not gonna shell out 3 bucks. :)

[DeadXMan]

so do you everything that others Tell you to do? and like what they tell you to like?
Please tell you don't shop at hot topic.

Try it out for yourself, there are worse things to waste three dollars on, then Loeb's ultimates.

Like, Loeb's wolverine.

[ultimate hulk]

how is beating up and eating Skrulls cause cap say they told him they think Hulk was Gay is thinking with his third leg?


and you seem to forget one thing Ult Hulk is gray, the weakest form of hulks.

and it becoming like 616 cause it's continuity is getting as vast as the 616.

hahahahaha r u for real? well at first cap told hulk that the alien guy was with betty,then afterwards he told him the aliens in the ship called him a sissy boy.

man this Sh!t has me laughing when i read it.
ultimate hulk is not 616 hulk.
ultimate banner doesn't suffer from multiple personality disorder.

the ultimate hulk only changes his skin color,so regardless whether he's green or gray,his strength level won't change.


i think u need to start paying attention to comics before u sprout off ur mouth.:D


ultimate hulk was first green,and after banner was cured of his hulk cells,he injected himself again with his hulk formula mixed with cap's blood which contain the super soldier serum,thus making him gray and stronger.
the only time ultimate hulk reverted to green was after they nuke him.
and banner himself said his skin changes color,when that kid ask him about it.

[Reptisaurus!]

so do you everything that others Tell you to do? and like what they tell you to like?


Not what to like, but what to buy. My interest in comics is pretty broad, and most of the mainstream comics that I'll shell out cash for are either (A) unique - Stuff like Scalped or Hawaiian Dick that's different from the ten thousand or so comics I've read before, (B) written or drawn by one of a VERY select group of six or seven creators who's work I find consistently rewarding, or (C) tied into one of my weird collector fetishes. (Team-up books, dinosaurs, and pirates.)

And, in my experiences, reccomedations from people I trust are on the money about 75-80% of the time. I have limited income, and this has shown itself to be one of the most effective media/money filters.




Dude, I'm old. I barely know what Hot Topic is.
[quote]
Try it out for yourself, there are worse things to waste three dollars on, then Loeb's ultimates.

Like, Loeb's wolverine.

Oh, I'm sure. And I am a little bit interested. And I'm kind of the resident Jeph Loeb defender at Comics Should Be Good, so I try to follow his career. But this simply doesn't strike me as different enough from the other superhero books to be worth buying. (For the record, I'm only getting, like, four Marvel/DC/Image books regularly right now.)

But even if the library doesn't get this, I have a feeling I'll be finding copies in the three for a buck box in a year's time, anyway. (Which is where well over 2/thirds of my floppies come from.) And I am extremely cheap.

[DeadXMan]

hahahahaha r u for real? well at first cap told hulk that the alien guy was with betty,then afterwards he told him the aliens in the ship called him a sissy boy.



It call paraphrasing. Also why do we have Hulk shouting He's straight.


and your right, this isn't 616
it's ult. and here Thing is the strongest there is.

(as it should be:p )

[Beast]

Word. Loved Thing putting Hulk down like he deserved. That kicked ass. :)

And we need to remember, Thing didn't do it alone. He did have help.

[Floyd The Barber]

Haven't actually read Ultimates 3, but it's hard for me to imagine any work LESS subtle than the Ultimates, or a writer less adept at using subtlety than Millar... at least since his Superman Adventures and Swamp THing days.

But subtle? Subtle like a kick to the crotch.

Yeah, don't get me wrong I know comparing the subtlies of Millar vs. Loeb is like comparing the lying abilities of O.J. and Roger Clemens. Both are legendarily bad at it.


and it becoming like 616 cause it's continuity is getting as vast as the 616.

I know right? The Ult U is coming up on what? 10 years now?

Maybe pick up an issue... You're in for an education in anti-subtleness. It really has to be seen to be believed.

I'm inclined to agree with this. It really has to be seen to be believed.

I generally like Jeph Loeb and Joe Mad, and loved the first Ultimates series.

But this has been getting really bad reviews from most of the folks who share my tastes. And most of the folks who don't. If the trade shows up at the library I'll read it with an open mind, but enough people have said enough bad things about it that I'm not gonna shell out 3 bucks. :)

Actually $4 for the 1st issue. One of the reason's I was a little perturbed by it's lighting quick read. 2 page spreads and giant panels throughout make it an under 5 minute read.

there are worse things to waste three dollars on, then Loeb's ultimates.

Like, Loeb's wolverine.

Yikes those Wolverine's sucked. Gotta agree there. I feel sorry for Bianchi, he drew his ass off for one of the lamest Wolverine stories I've read in years and years. Didn't help it was sandwiched by great stories by Marc Guggenheim and Jason Aaron.



and your right, this isn't 616
it's ult. and here Thing is the strongest there is.

(as it should be:p )

I have to say. If it came down to one or the other, I'd rather have Ben have my back. I've always thought Thing should have the upper hand if for no other reason than his mental stability.

[DeadXMan]

I know right? The Ult U is coming up on what? 10 years now?

That and it doesn't help retelling 616 stories and only having one original character with super powers (what the hell happen to that mutant student from latvaira anyways)

[ultimate hulk]

It call paraphrasing. Also why do we have Hulk shouting He's straight.


and your right, this isn't 616
it's ult. and here Thing is the strongest there is.

(as it should be:p )

lame.:D :D :D

[ultimate hulk]

Word. Loved Thing putting Hulk down like he deserved. That kicked ass. :)

And we need to remember, Thing didn't do it alone. He did have help.

let's called it loeb jobbing,a guy who think he's too good to read other people work and follow continunity.:D

[Beast]

let's called it loeb jobbing,a guy who think he's too good to read other people work and follow continunity.:D
Heh. You're hilarous. Character Fanboys are so sad sometimes.

Given everything that has happened has been following what came before.

[Gloom Cookie]

Heh. You're hilarous. Character Fanboys are so sad sometimes.

Given everything that has happened has been following what came before.

Not really. Wanda calling Logan James in the flashback makes no sense, since he didn't know his real name at the time.

[Netley]

I feel like signing it would be like saying that I want him on some other Marvel title, when in reality I want to sign one saying I want him out of Marvel's office. I haven't enjoyed any print materials from him since Dark Victory.

His work on Heroes was ok.

Other than liking Loeb's Fallen Son series, I'd agree with this statement completely. (And who knows how much of Fallen Son was editorially mandated and how much was Loeb.) Ultimates III #1 not only convinced me to not buy the rest of the series, but to also not buy the Ultimatum fiasco coming up. Count me in for Ultimate Origins though, that sounds sweet! (I hope they don't rely on each other to make sense though - anyone know if this is the case?) My understanding is Origins is like the Book of Genesis and Ultimatum is like the Book of Revelations for the Ultimate U.

[DeadXMan]

Logan remember his name in WII
Some time after we got the memory plants

[carabas]

Logan remember his name in WII
Some time after we got the memory plantsCan't have it both ways. Either it takes place before Weapon X got him, and he knows his name, has no claws, and most importantly, has no memory of these events now. Or it takes place after Weapon X got him, which given that it's some 20 years or so in thepast, seems unlikely, and in which case he has no memory of his name, and won't until Captain america will reveal it to him two decades later.

[bbmakdaddycomics]

Can't have it both ways. Either it takes place before Weapon X got him, and he knows his name, has no claws, and most importantly, has no memory of these events now. Or it takes place after Weapon X got him, which given that it's some 20 years or so in thepast, seems unlikely, and in which case he has no memory of his name, and won't until Captain america will reveal it to him two decades later.

it had to take place before weapon x got to hims so i'm thnking he and magda got busy after ww2

[carabas]

it had to take place before weapon x got to hims so i'm thnking he and magda got busy after ww2If it was before Weapon X, why does he have the claws? And how does he remember any of it?

[prodigy]

Heh. You're hilarous. Character Fanboys are so sad sometimes.
This coming from a guy who defended Loeb's "Suck it!"

Face it, man. There is nothing at ALL Loeb could do that would ever turn you off. You're biased to the extreme and will defend anything that happens. You'd take a full clip for his comics even if you knew the bullets would miss.

[Beast]

This coming from a guy who defended Loeb's "Suck it!"

Face it, man. There is nothing at ALL Loeb could do that would ever turn you off. You're biased to the extreme and will defend anything that happens. You'd take a full clip for his comics even if you knew the bullets would miss.
Hehe. You're adorable. I have no love of Loeb, but I am enjoying Ultimates 3.

[Gloom Cookie]

Logan just recently learned his name was James from Captain America in the Ultimate War mini. He shouldn't have known it back when he first met Wanda.

[ultimate hulk]

Hehe. You're adorable. I have no love of Loeb, but I am enjoying Ultimates 3.

damed beast! u got horrible taste in comics!:D
i can't beleive anyone in their right mind would enjoyed that trash.
you're in your right mind aren't you?:D

[sparta28090]

Gosh Ding Dang it this plea is making it all the way to France!

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg305/sparta28090/tony_steve.jpg

[Ultimate Interpol]

damed beast! u got horrible taste in comics!:D
i can't beleive anyone in their right mind would enjoyed that trash.
you're in your right mind aren't you?:D

Try reading All-Star Batman, it's so bad it's good...like this series.:D

[DeadXMan]

If it was before Weapon X, why does he have the claws? And how does he remember any of it?

Logan could remember stuff from before, Not every thing and most of the time it was mixed up.

Now as for claws I think it was an error on Mad. nothing more nonthing less.

[Blader5489]

Given everything that has happened has been following what came before.

Wow. Speak English much?

[DeadXMan]

Wow, do you Speak English much?

Blader,
When commenting on a person's grammar, please do not use fragmented sentences.

Thanks,
DXM

[Bryson the Red]

I don't see much point in signing this, but I did stop buying after #2.

[Stony]

Ok, that's enough.

There's a petition.... sign it... or not.

But with this thread just being a mess of mutual sniping, I'm closing it down.