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Alexx1
02-22-2008, 12:20 PM
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=147734

Newsarama: Grant, let’s talk Batman. You’re currently doing the “Joe Chill in Hell” storyline, and you really seem to be deconstructing Batman, what he’s gone through in the past on a very philosophical level. You’ve spoken in the past about how you saw where Batman was, mentally, when you started working on the series. Where is this particular storyline going to take him?

Grant Morrison: Again, it’s basically trying to push Batman to the limit, to take him to emotional and physical places he’s never been before so we can really see how strong he is. The stronger a hero is the greater the challenges he should face. We want to put Batman under real pressure, to give readers get a better, more dramatic insight into the incredible physical and moral strength he does possess when the going gets rough.

So the idea behind “Joe Chill” and the current storyline is not only to expose weak spots that Batman himself has been unaware of for a long time, it’s to develop certain elements of his biography which may have been overlooked for a while and make those elements central to his undoing. It’s a story about karma in the strictest sense of the word – in his efforts to understand the derangement of his arch-enemy, the Joker, the young Batman inadvertently sets in motion an unstoppable chain of events which now threaten to destroy him utterly.

When I started this story, my first idea was, “What if all the Batman adventures from the 1930s until now were all part of one guy’s life, and he’s really gone through all this stuff, and it’s happened over the space of, say, 15 years, potentially?” To make it all work and still keep Batman at his peak, I settled on him being about 35 right now, so let’s say he’s been Batman since he was 19 or 20 years old.

Now try and imagine all that continuity squeezed into fifteen years. What you have is a guy who started his mission really well and was doing a great job, and then Robin comes along and that makes the job even better, the two of them start cleaning up the streets.

Then things begin to go a little bit wrong when Dick Grayson reaches college age and leaves. And then you have a succession of different Robins with disastrous results and consequences. You have the Joker’s paralyzing Barbara Gordon, you have Bane breaking Batman’s back, No Man’s Land…(laughs). All that’s supposed to have happened in the last few years of one man’s life!

So what would that do to your head? What we’re seeing now is kind of culmination of all these terrible things that have happened to him, and the fact that his mission has run into so many problems, and led to so many deaths. The psychological result of that will play directly into the storyline in the coming months, where we’ll get to see how Batman breaks down, and how he comes back from it…or not.


It will be interesting to see where he takes Batman and after all this is said and done what exactly it means for Batman, who he is and what he represents. And I guess Damien will be playing more of a role in the series at some point. Perhaps his character will be hitting a turning point in his personal development and beliefs but we'll have to see if it will be enough to endear him to fans.

The Batman
02-22-2008, 07:40 PM
Good interview.

One thing I'm concerned about is the promise of a new outfit. As I type this, Batman has what is probably one of the best outfits in comics bar none. I can't see them improving on it.

michaeljsmith
02-22-2008, 08:17 PM
Honestly if Morrison is really able to do what he says, especially how he views "continuity" with regards to all of the stories for 70 years happen in a 15-20 year period then I am VERY excited to see where this leads.

...of course Morrison could have been high and completely forgot this interview the next day so who knows.

MattXG
02-22-2008, 08:18 PM
Dropping the underwear on the outside is something I've been waiting for all my life....

The Batman
02-22-2008, 08:44 PM
It already happened after the KnightFall/Quest/End trilogy.

Punch
02-22-2008, 08:49 PM
yeah it looked horrible.

The Batman
02-22-2008, 09:03 PM
You didn't like grey blob Batman either?

the goddamn batman
02-22-2008, 11:16 PM
Dropping the underwear is something I've been waiting for all my life....

Are you talking about Grant Morrison? http://www.wackyjac.com/boudoir/gallery/gallery.html

ZT4
02-23-2008, 09:41 AM
http://www.morethings.com/images/batman-goat.jpg

So if every story from the 1930s counts as some form of surpressed prevention of dementia...yipes.

metalhead_dave743
02-23-2008, 10:29 AM
yeah it looked horrible.

It just needs to be done right. I'm sure there can be a cool looking Batman costume made without black underwear.

Personally I think that Underwater costume from Superman/Batman: Supergirl Batman wore in the beginning could work as a standard costume. Give it a cape and reveal his jaw and I think it could work.

HotRod_Tim
02-23-2008, 12:02 PM
Shiiiiiit....I can't wait to see how Morrison's Batman run culminates in "Batman RIP".

I'm also looking forward to seeing some Club of Villains action that Grant mentioned is coming up.

Captain Jim
02-24-2008, 09:51 PM
At least this interview puts to end the speculation that Morrison will be leaving the book after RIP.

And personally, I'd love to see a copy of his timeline.

Punch
02-25-2008, 04:44 PM
It just needs to be done right. I'm sure there can be a cool looking Batman costume made without black underwear.
I'm sure there is a way, but the answer is not to have Batman in his regular costume without the trunks, he just looks like a guy who forgot to put his pants on.

EZMOHR
02-25-2008, 04:48 PM
http://www.morethings.com/images/batman-goat.jpg

So if every story from the 1930s counts as some form of surpressed prevention of dementia...yipes.

Dude, I want that goat to be in a Grant Morrison Batman story post haste.

the goddamn batman
02-25-2008, 05:07 PM
I don't understand the costume change. Batman's costume has stayed pretty much the same and worked for nearly 70 years. Any changes made before have only been reverted back to the classic. Here we are in 2008 and Batman's basically in the same costume he wore in 1939. Case in point?

I dunno... just feels gimmicky... then again, the whole "R.I.P." feels gimmicky, too.

I don't really want new Batman... I just want good Batman, you know?

the-wolf
02-25-2008, 06:59 PM
I take it there's no picture of the new costume yet?

I would enjoy seeing a costume "update" more so than a "change?"

HotRod_Tim
02-26-2008, 11:35 AM
New costume eh?

I wonder how updated its gonna look

The Batman
02-26-2008, 12:08 PM
I'm sure there is a way, but the answer is not to have Batman in his regular costume without the trunks, he just looks like a guy who forgot to put his pants on.

As a redesign, I've always been partial to the look Chaykin gave Batman in the Dark Allegiances Elseworld. I can't find a really good picture of it but it extended the black of the trunks all the way down the legs and encorporated the Bat-symbol into the cape and cowl.

http://www.elseworlds.net/images/elseda.jpg


I guess another option would be to try for the monochromatic look of the movies again in the hopes that better colour separations and printing will make it look less muddled than it did when they tried it in "Troika".

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/151/035bgm9.jpg http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3862/515bjb4.jpg


There's also the possibility that Morrison's comment regarding a new look for Bats might simply mean the return of the yellow oval.

Choppa
02-27-2008, 07:26 AM
I guess that explains why one of the Batmen looks like Bane. I wonder what his nod to NML will be.

the-wolf
02-27-2008, 11:32 AM
Frankly, I think people are more against removing the underwear out of tradition than any sort of design sensibility. Like people who hate Spider-man with big eyes or the 3-Dish webbing on his costume from the movie just because it differs from the original. Not that I'm calling everyone insincere in their opinions, but this tends to pretty typical in the comic book world.

I like his post-Knightfall look minus the spikes on his legs (too repetitive). It's more practical and a cleaner look. I also miss the yelloe oval and "formal" logo. Perhaps they could devise a way for Bats to be able to turn the oval "on/off?"

carabas
02-27-2008, 11:37 AM
There's also the possibility that Morrison's comment regarding a new look for Bats might simply mean the return of the yellow oval.Doubtful. That's not really a new look, is it?

Jeff Cope
02-27-2008, 11:48 AM
Doubtful. That's not really a new look, is it?

When the yellow oval was introduced in 1964 it was billed as the "new look".

Jeff

The Batman
02-27-2008, 11:56 AM
When the yellow oval was introduced in 1964 it was billed as the "new look".

Jeff

Ding ding ding ding.

You win the prize.

The Batman
02-27-2008, 11:59 AM
Frankly, I think people are more against removing the underwear out of tradition than any sort of design sensibility. Like people who hate Spider-man with big eyes or the 3-Dish webbing on his costume from the movie just because it differs from the original. Not that I'm calling everyone insincere in their opinions, but this tends to pretty typical in the comic book world.

I like his post-Knightfall look minus the spikes on his legs (too repetitive). It's more practical and a cleaner look. I also miss the yelloe oval and "formal" logo. Perhaps they could devise a way for Bats to be able to turn the oval "on/off?"

It's got nothing to do with tradition, dropping the trunks and leaving everything else just looks terrible. If they want to give Batman a new look, unnecessary as such a project maybe, then they need to do something more than just lose the outside undies.

I've tossed out some possible attempts I've liked a few posts up that I think have met with some success.

BooCoo
02-27-2008, 12:55 PM
New costume eh?

I wonder how updated its gonna look

hopefully not that ugly pantaloon thing with the chain mail and "king arthur" vibe.

And what's with the fixation about Daimen in all storylines now? Still another alternate batman, "evil" then not. Sigh.

flapjaxx
02-27-2008, 06:36 PM
NRAMA: The strangest Batman story I remember was from this reprint book I found at the library in middle school, Batman from the ‘30s to the ‘70s

GM: Yeah, yeah, I had that! That was my favorite book and I still refer to it. Re-reading (it) encouraged me to think of Batman’s adventures from the ‘30s on as one big life story.

Oh WOW, I read that collection at my hometown library when I was like seven.

I dunno... just feels gimmicky... then again, the whole "R.I.P." feels gimmicky, too.

I don't really want new Batman... I just want good Batman, you know?

I guess it might seem gimmicky if you fixated on it, but since we haven't heard anything about another BatBook-crossover in the next year, it's pretty safe to assume that he isn't REALLY going to die or retire from the role of Batman for long. So...don't worry about it!

As for just wanting "good" Batman: Aren't there a TON of other ways to get Batman these days? You can always read one of the other dozen titles DC puts out every month, or watch one of the cartoons or films. I don't understand the mentality where fans think that one monthly book EMBODIES a character or is the only way that they can know a character. There's a ton of great back issues out there too. What Morrison's doing doesn't = all that Batman is, or even all that Batman is in 2008. There are a ton of options out there.

I really like what Morrison's doing. I'm really impressed with his grasp of the characters and how he's thought this out. I'm glad that there's a Batman run like this out there, because there's never been one like this before. With that said, I can certainly understand why people wouldn't like this. It isn't straightforward; it doesn't cater to the reader.

(Why is it that the last time I really got into the Batman title (Moench and Kelley Jones's run), tons of other fans passionately disliked that run as well?)