Marilyn or Madonna?

[Alan Lynch]

It really shouldn't be this hard (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7254448.stm). Fair play that they're going through with the press conference though.

[the4thpip]

Amazing. I have seen that shot of Madge so often I could draw it from memory, and I'm gay.

[KenK]

Amazing. I have seen that shot of Madge so often I could draw it from memory, and I'm gay.

Not really an excuse for not knowing that image. Isn't she like a big gay icon, right up there with Cher? Everyone knows that shot, anyway. It's one of the most memorable images of Madonna of all-time, at least in my opinion. As audacious as a lot of people may have found it at the time, I've always thought it was rather tastefully done.

[sunshinegirl]

Marilyn Monroe is my hero. Does that make me a bad person? :D

[Tobias March]

Some Like It Hot baby - best film ever.

Madonna...not so much.

Shanghai Surprise anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

[beetlebum]

Madge. She likes Britain just as much as I do; only while she speaks in a phony accent, I limit my obsession to Suede and The Divine Comedy and appropriating (mis :p) British colloquialisms.

And plus, she did her own thing and was able to transpose and transmute her music in order to maintain relevance. There is something about that I greatly admire.

Her take charge attitude, the things she has accomplished, and the fact that she is someone who has broken a lot of ground for women in the industry earns her my respect.

Marilyn is just a breathy sex symbol.

So it's Madge for me. And she did pave the way for Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears (still debating over whether or not that is a good thing, even though that scene where Damien sings "Beautiful" In "Mean Girls" leaves me in stitches every time. Dear God help me, I've seen that film more times than I care to admit....)

[Astonishing X-Fan]

I never really "got" the appeal of Monroe. She never seemed all that attractive IMO.

[Alan Lynch]

I never really "got" the appeal of Monroe. She never seemed all that attractive IMO.
You see the pictures of Lindsay Lohan recreating Monroe's last shoot? There's about 20 years between the women and Lohan comes off looking worse. Not that I'm a huge Marilyn Monroe fan mind.

[Evan Waters]

What, I have to choose?

Well, Madonna's still alive, and I'd shag her at 60, so I guess that gives her the edge.

[Christopher Cross Is God]

You see the pictures of Lindsay Lohan recreating Monroe's last shoot? There's about 20 years between the women and Lohan comes off looking worse. Not that I'm a huge Marilyn Monroe fan mind.

I think that has more to do with Lohan looking like shit with that blonde wig more than anything else.

Some people look good with a specific style/look, some don't.

[Tobias March]

I never really "got" the appeal of Monroe. She never seemed all that attractive IMO.

Check this out (http://youtube.com/watch?v=BbFLfSVNYSQ&feature=related)

Something she has on Madge is she can actually sing :)

For me one of the saddest Marilyn roles is her brief cameo early in her career in All About Eve (great film). She plays this desperate, talentless girl with ambitions to being an actress, destined to be used by the men around her. Heartbreaking.

[rick]

Screw you guys. :D

Madge has managed to stay on the charts for more than 20 years, and she did it by being a hugely talented performer.

She can sing, she can dance and unlike all the other would be pop acts over the decades that have tried to copy her style, she manages to record songs that people still remember and play years later.

Sure she might have a terrible fake accent, but the woman also has the chops as a performer.

[beetlebum]

Screw you guys. :D

Madge has managed to stay on the charts for more than 20 years, and she did it by being a hugely talented performer.

She can sing, she can dance and unlike all the other would be pop acts over the decades that have tried to copy her style, she manages to record songs that people still remember and play years later.

Sure she might have a terrible fake accent, but the woman also has the chops as a performer.

Ahem. :mad: I believe that was the point I made, now didn't I? ;) :D

[Tobias March]

One summer I worked as concert security at Madonna's gig at Slane Castle I basically had to check tickets. Great fun that day, more transvestites I never seen before in one place.

However, I got pissed when Iggy Pop performed as support and no one in the crowd reacted. It was pretty sad, this old punk still pumping out Stooges songs and the massed assemblage refusing to react. Halfway through Madge's own set with her manipulated vocals (we heard her rehearsing. Ouch) we were finished for the night and I joined the guys I worked with in the stands for a few drink. We witnessed her centre piece, dedicated to the children of Africa. A montage of starving kids was shown, with Madonna accompanying the film on guitar playing Imagine by John Lennon. Then a slogan was projected onto the screen:

"SPIRITUALITY FOR KIDS!"

Da fug? I have immense respect for Madge as a business woman, she's an astonishing ability to keep her fans on their toes and has some great early songs. Bit like Bowie that way (although more people know Madge than Bowie, so maybe he's more like her these days).

[KenK]

What, I have to choose?

Well, Madonna's still alive, and I'd shag her at 60, so I guess that gives her the edge.

Gotta admit, if Madonna, at her age now, gave me half a chance, I'd probably tear dat ass up, too!:D

[Sarah Beach]

Screw you guys. :D

Madge has managed to stay on the charts for more than 20 years, and she did it by being a hugely talented performer.

She can sing, she can dance and unlike all the other would be pop acts over the decades that have tried to copy her style, she manages to record songs that people still remember and play years later.

Sure she might have a terrible fake accent, but the woman also has the chops as a performer.

She can't act worth crap, though.

Astonishingly bad in Dick Tracy - shot at a time she was having an affair with the star/director, and ZERO CHEMISTRY on screen. Too self-absorbed by half. (Plus, I think most of her lyrics suck. But that's just me. Never been a fan.)

[Night Swordsman]

I actually consider Dick Tracy her BEST performance,and it was bad. I actually enjoyed that movie with the exception of her.


And her music? AWFUL crap,but let me explain a personal rule i have. I believe EVERYONE has ONE good song in them. Most are NEVER heard.

So anyone,even Madonna,has one good song. Now,if they have a SECOND song,they got that billion to one lucky shot at another good song.

At the THIRD song,i have to admit,despite hating most of her music,she is actually talented,despite the majority of the crap she has.

Unfortantely for me,i happen to like exactly THREE Madonna songs.
Live to Tell
Justify My Love
Like a Prayer(which is a so-so for me,i like it but do not go out of my way to listen to it).

So,i guess i have to admit she has talent,it is just a shame the majority of the music she created over the years does not represent it.


My vote goes to Marilyn.
And Material Girl and Lucky Star SUCKS! Gag!

[Dazzler]

Anybody who DIDN'T vote for Marilyn obviously has zero taste for the subtleties of sex appeal (Marilyn could seduce with a look...Madonna has to rely on writhing around a disco cross topless with rhinestone dildos or something).

Plus, Marilyn had a personality worth taking an interest in.
She's been one of my idols along with Marie Antoinette and Janis Joplin since I was a wee lad.

All you Madonna people are off my Christmas list.

--Dazz

[Night Swordsman]

I would like to say i have unfortantely seen the Lindsey Lohann pictures,and i have to say that the photography was dead on,when compared to the originals,but Lindsey herself has such a hard look,one i believe brought upon from too much drug use too soon,that she looks trashy than seductive. I feel sorry for her,but hopefully she can relax and mellow out in time.


Drugs bad,Tree Pretty.

[Sarah Beach]

Someone I would love to see do "Marilyn poses" is Drew Barrymore. She has the wit, sparkle and warmth to do honor to Marilyn.

[Solaris]

I actually consider Dick Tracy her BEST performance,and it was bad. I actually enjoyed that movie with the exception of her.


And her music? AWFUL crap,but let me explain a personal rule i have. I believe EVERYONE has ONE good song in them. Most are NEVER heard.

So anyone,even Madonna,has one good song. Now,if they have a SECOND song,they got that billion to one lucky shot at another good song.

At the THIRD song,i have to admit,despite hating most of her music,she is actually talented,despite the majority of the crap she has.

Unfortantely for me,i happen to like exactly THREE Madonna songs.
Live to Tell
Justify My Love
Like a Prayer(which is a so-so for me,i like it but do not go out of my way to listen to it).

So,i guess i have to admit she has talent,it is just a shame the majority of the music she created over the years does not represent it.


My vote goes to Marilyn.
And Material Girl and Lucky Star SUCKS! Gag!


IMO, her best song (and best video) was "Frozen." I particularly liked the way she used imagery in the vid to convey mythology about the Morrigan.

And, I agree with Dazz: Marilyn could turn up the heat with a glance or a single expression; Madonna always seems to be overreacting to try to achieve the same thing... and fails.

To give Madonna her due, she's a performer/celeb who's taken the notion of reinventing herself to an art; more importantly, her "out there" style pushed back a lot of limits for self-expression.

I still think Marilyn was better at being sexy, though. She made it look effortless, and she had a girlish charm to her personality Madonna wouldn't recognize if it bit her like a snake.

[Night Swordsman]

Someone I would love to see do "Marilyn poses" is Drew Barrymore. She has the wit, sparkle and warmth to do honor to Marilyn.

I SO second this.

If i DO have a "hollywood" crush,it is Drew. And the thought came to me actually today,after seeing how she just posed(non-nude) for a magazine cover(forget which one),and i thought Drew had the ability to do the poses as art,where Lindsey's comes off as parody,unfortantely.

[Night Swordsman]

IMO, her best song (and best video) was "Frozen." I particularly liked the way she used imagery in the vid to convey mythology about the Morrigan.

And, I agree with Dazz: Marilyn could turn up the heat with a glance or a single expression; Madonna always seems to be overreacting to try to achieve the same thing... and fails.

To give Madonna her due, she's a performer/celeb who's taken the notion of reinventing herself to an art; more importantly, her "out there" style pushed back a lot of limits for self-expression.

I still think Marilyn was better at being sexy, though. She made it look effortless, and she had a girlish charm to her personality Madonna wouldn't recognize if it bit her like a snake.


I do like Frozen,and Ray of light on a whole was a ok album,talent wise. But PLEASE for the LOVE OF WHATEVER DEITIES you worship,PLEASE do NOT let her sing Don't Cry for me Argentina EVER AGAIN!

[bfrank]

I never really "got" the appeal of Monroe. She never seemed all that attractive IMO.

Neither is Madonna......

[bfrank]

.

Unfortantely for me,i happen to like exactly THREE Madonna songs.
Live to Tell


Best song she ever made......

[Night Swordsman]

Best song she ever made......

Agreed. :)

[bfrank]

Agreed. :)

I kind of like "take a bow", but I think it's because I heard a better singer sing it......

[ed2ward]

Marilyn = sexy but not my type
Madonna = not even remotely sexy but has recorded a lot of singles I like
Lindsey Lohan = could be sexy but only if she can stop looking messed up and creepy

Drew Barrymore = extra-super-double-sexy

But not as sexy as Tina Fey.

[Spiffy]

So this is a "story" because some batty old guy couldn't see?

Good grief.

Has someone sent him the recent Lindsay Lohan pictures for him to embarass himself with too?

[Night Swordsman]

So this is a "story" because some batty old guy couldn't see?

Good grief.

Has someone sent him the recent Lindsay Lohan pictures for him to embarass himself with too?

To paraphrase that old tootsie roll comercial:"The world may never know..."

[Black Atom]

So this is a "story" because some batty old guy couldn't see?

Good grief.

Has someone sent him the recent Lindsay Lohan pictures for him to embarass himself with too?

Well it's understandable that a 73 year old guy might make that mistake. The funny part is that the supposed "expert" was duped as well.

Lohan wouldn't fool anyone. She looks like post-Crisis Michael Jackson in that photo.

[Night Swordsman]

Well it's understandable that a 73 year old guy might make that mistake. The funny part is that the supposed "expert" was duped as well.

Lohan wouldn't fool anyone. She looks like post-Crisis Michael Jackson in that photo.

I was thinking meth-head myself,but to each their own. :)

[ed2ward]

I was thinking meth-head myself

Completely and totally agree.

[Incognita]

Marilyn Monroe is gorgeous!
Granted I wasn't really around to appreciate Madonna in her younger years, all I've really seen is a middle aged woman making endless come-backs and kissing girls who are young enough to be her daughter...

I've always thought Monroe had that subtle sex appeal, she just had a really seductive look.

Sadly enough I think one of the reasons I like Marilyn because she's kind of immortal, she's endlessly young and beautiful. She didn't live long enough for people to watch her grow old and lose her youthfullness.
I have a fear of growing old so I kind of respect that about her. Still, it's tradgic that she did die so young.

But yeah, in conclusion, Marilyn all the way :D

[Black Atom]

I was thinking meth-head myself,but to each their own. :)

One does not preclude the other.

[BnL]

Marilyn was great, but I prefer this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mae_West) blonde bombshell, myself.

[Night Swordsman]

One does not preclude the other.

Agreed on this. Unfortantely,both are probably true.

She was very pretty before Mean Girls. From that point on she starting looking slowly more and more like a drug addict.

And giving public oral sex to her boyfriend probably does not help her image.

[JKCarrier]

I would like to say i have unfortantely seen the Lindsey Lohann pictures,and i have to say that the photography was dead on,when compared to the originals,but Lindsey herself has such a hard look,one i believe brought upon from too much drug use too soon,that she looks trashy than seductive. I feel sorry for her,but hopefully she can relax and mellow out in time.

Those pictures made me sad. A 21-year-old should not look that haggard and burnt out.

Spectacular rack, though, I must say.

[beetlebum]

Leave. Mean. Girls. Alone.

DO NOT make me do my best impression of Chris Crocker! :evilangry: :D

And good God, I didn't know so many people would choose looks over ingenuity. :rolleyes:

;p

Talent is more subjective in this case, though one cannot dismiss Madonna's shrewd business skills and how she transposes and transmutes her image and sound in order to fit in with the times.

Marilyn was a druggy. I suspect if she were alive now, she'd be like Lohan or the female version of Colin Farrel.

Dazz, was your Christmas card statement a reference to Elton John? ;)

One of the funniest meltdowns EVAR.

Oh, and as far as sex symbols go, I'd say Brigitte Bardot. She emanated a natural sensuality, and she helped changed peoples tastes in bodies. (Though sadly, she helped move people away from embracing the voluptuous to embracing the thin; though I think Twiggie and the media should take a lot of the blame as well.)

She reminds me more of Jennifer from Valley Of The Dolls, though I suspect the character may have been modeled after the aforementioned Marilyn. That's just one of the few reasons why I tolerate her.

EDITTOADDARBITRARYFUCKINGNOTECOSICAN: "Ingenious" refers to Madge, not she-who-shagged-George Best's-son. Sadly, it's the second best thing she did in her career.

[Paul McEnery]

What, I have to choose?

Well, Madonna's still alive, and I'd shag her at 60, so I guess that gives her the edge.

I don't know.

Marilyn's a whole lot less lippy.

[Paul McEnery]

Agreed on this. Unfortantely,both are probably true.

She was very pretty before Mean Girls. From that point on she starting looking slowly more and more like a drug addict.

And giving public oral sex to her boyfriend probably does not help her image.

Speak for yourself!

[Night Swordsman]

Leave. Mean. Girls. Alone.

DO NOT make me do my best impression of Chris Crocker! :evilangry: :D

And good God, I didn't know so many people would choose looks over ingenuity. :rolleyes:



Talent is more subjective in this case, though one cannot dismiss Madonna's shrewd business skills and how she transposes and transmutes her image and sound in order to fit in with the times.

Marilyn was a druggy. I suspect if she were alive now, she'd be like Lohan or the female version of Colin Farrel.

Dazz, was your Christmas card statement a reference to Elton John? ;)

One of the funniest meltdowns EVAR.

Oh, and as far as sex symbols go, I'd say Brigitte Bardot. She emanated a natural sensuality, and she helped changed peoples tastes in bodies. (Though sadly, she helped move people away from embracing the voluptuous to embracing the thin; though I think Twiggie and the media should take a lot of the blame as well.)

She reminds me more of Jennifer from Valley Of The Dolls, though I suspect the character may have been modeled after the aforementioned Marilyn. That's just one of the few reasons why I tolerate her.

Mean Girls was ok,but was NO Herbie Rides Again.
And yes,Marilyn had issues as well,and i have NO doubt,foul or fair play involved,she died because of them.
And Lindsey is NOT ingenius. She has had SEVERAL issues and problems on the set,has had directors and crew members insult her professionalism(even despite recanting statements later on,made more out of pity for her ongoing issues) and has been driving either on drugs or drunk or both. She is honestly a menace as "rehab" is NOT kicking in,and she REALLY needs a serious jail sentence (2-6 months at the least) to let it sink in SHE is NOT in control.

[beetlebum]

Whoops, I was referring to Madonna. I may love Cady Heron, but Lindsay is DEFINATELY no genius. :)

[KenK]

Why do people keep saying Lohan's body looks bad from drug use in the nude photos? Maybe it's the shapely figure, but I'm not really seeing anything negative. I'd say it's the best she's looked in a good long while. Now back when she was rail thin, I could agree with the people saying that she looks drugged out, but c'mon. She looks perfectly fine in these photos.

[Night Swordsman]

Why do people keep saying Lohan's body looks bad from drug use in the nude photos? Maybe it's the shapely figure, but I'm not really seeing anything negative. I'd say it's the best she's looked in a good long while. Now back when she was rail thin, I could agree with the people saying that she looks drugged out, but c'mon. She looks perfectly fine in these photos.

Yes,but she has looked REMARKABLY better than how SHE DOES appear in the nude photos,Ken. Yes,she looks better,but better does equate into her earlier looks. It's OBVIOUS to anyone who has seen her before and after the very haggard look she has undergone. And i sympathize with her,and think she needs help,but i also know she did this to herself.

The negative publicity of her arrests also did not help the publicity of her last movie,which opened i believe within a weeks time.

[KenK]

Yes,but she has looked REMARKABLY better than how SHE DOES appear in the nude photos,Ken. Yes,she looks better,but better does equate into her earlier looks. It's OBVIOUS to anyone who has seen her before and after the very haggard look she has undergone. And i sympathize with her,and think she needs help,but i also know she did this to herself.

The negative publicity of her arrests also did not help the publicity of her last movie,which opened i believe within a weeks time.

It's not obvious to me. I'm not seeing it, I'm really not. I'm looking at larger versions of the photos on another board as I type this, and I don't see anything about the photos to even entertain thoughts like, "Wow, she looks like she's done massive quantities of drugs!!" or, "god, she looks like she's aged a lot!"

I honestly believe people have just been so brainwashed about people who have done drugs, and how people believe a person who's been on drugs should look, and subconsciously factoring those pre-conceived notions into their viewing of any person, especially celebrities, after they've been known to have used drugs. If Lohan weren't famous, I don't anyone would be saying that she looks "haggard". If that's your idea of haggard, I guess I'd go out of my way to bang some haggard chicks.

[Night Swordsman]

It's not obvious to me. I'm not seeing it, I'm really not. I'm looking at larger versions of the photos on another board as I type this, and I don't see anything about the photos to even entertain thoughts like, "Wow, she looks like she's done massive quantities of drugs!!" or, "god, she looks like she's aged a lot!"

I honestly believe people have just been so brainwashed about people who have done drugs, and how people believe a person who's been on drugs should look, and subconsciously factoring those pre-conceived notions into their viewing of any person, especially celebrities, after they've been known to have used drugs. If Lohan weren't famous, I don't anyone would be saying that she looks "haggard". If that's your idea of haggard, I guess I'd go out of my way to bang some haggard chicks.

Fine Ken. You have your opinion,and i have mine. They are not going to merge anytime in the future,but i respect yours. And as for me,i have No desire go out to "bang" chicks,haggard or not. I prefer treating women as equals and have adult friendships/relationships with them.

And for the record,i stand by my statements. She looks VERY rough in those pictures AS WELL as other photos taken as of late. Few people(such as yourself,as you have stated)would disagree with that statement,but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I hope she gets well,but judging by her behavior over the last year,it will not be a smooth or easy road for her.

[Incognita]

About the intellectual side of it all as someone just mentioned.
Marilyn Monroe was actually a lot smarter than she made herself out to be, that was just her trying to appeal to the men of that time.
I remember reading a transcript of an interview when she talked about wanting to study something like philosophy or psychology. I forget which one but she actually was very smart.

[Solaris]

Marilyn was great, but I prefer this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mae_West) blonde bombshell, myself.

I now have a new idol. :D

Thanks, BnL!

[Spiffy]

It's not obvious to me. I'm not seeing it, I'm really not. I'm looking at larger versions of the photos on another board as I type this, and I don't see anything about the photos to even entertain thoughts like, "Wow, she looks like she's done massive quantities of drugs!!" or, "god, she looks like she's aged a lot!"

I honestly believe people have just been so brainwashed about people who have done drugs, and how people believe a person who's been on drugs should look, and subconsciously factoring those pre-conceived notions into their viewing of any person, especially celebrities, after they've been known to have used drugs. If Lohan weren't famous, I don't anyone would be saying that she looks "haggard". If that's your idea of haggard, I guess I'd go out of my way to bang some haggard chicks.

Some drugs damage your looks, some don't.

I mean there's no debating that Amy Winehouse's looks got ruined. Looks at some older pictures of her--she was once a pretty good looking woman. But now? She's a walking nightmare. And NOT just because she's super-skinny. Her teeth, her hair, her breasts, her skin, etc. all took huge blows.

[bfrank]

I'm sorry, Amy has a great voice, but she has never, ever, been a looker....even during her Frank days....

[BnL]

I now have a new idol. :D

Thanks, BnL!

One can only submit to the awesomeness of Mae West. ;)

[Alan Lynch]

Why do people keep saying Lohan's body looks bad from drug use in the nude photos? Maybe it's the shapely figure, but I'm not really seeing anything negative. I'd say it's the best she's looked in a good long while. Now back when she was rail thin, I could agree with the people saying that she looks drugged out, but c'mon. She looks perfectly fine in these photos.
I agree about her figure; it looks almost back to it's Mean Girls heyday, rather than the emaciated look she had for a while. But her face looks old. How old is she now, 21? 22? She definitely looks older than early 20s, and I can only assume that's down to her lifestyle.
I'm sorry, Amy has a great voice, but she has never, ever, been a looker....even during her Frank days....
Yeah, but she still looked human. After the drugs hit you couldn't say the same thing.

[Cam63]

Maz' and Mad' both have their good and bad moments.

...No shots of either climbing akimbo outta limo without undies flashin' Tas', though.

[Solaris]

THIS is what I like about Mae West:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mae_West

Eventually, she began writing her own risqué plays using the pen name "Jane Mast." Her first starring role on Broadway was in a play she titled Sex, which she also wrote, produced and directed. Though critics hated the show, ticket sales were good. The notorious production did not go over well with city officials and the theater was raided with West arrested along with the cast.

She was prosecuted on morals charges and, on April 19, 1927, was sentenced to 10 days in jail for public obscenity. While incarcerated on Roosevelt Island, she was allowed to wear her silk underpants instead of the scratchy prison issue and the warden reportedly took her to dinner every night. She served eight days with two days off for good behavior. Media attention to the case enhanced her career.

Her next play, The Drag, was about homosexuality and alluded to the work of Karl-Heinrich Ulrichs. It was a box office success but it played in New Jersey because it was banned from Broadway. West regarded talking about sex as a basic human rights issue and was also an early advocate of gay and trans gender rights. West's notions of gender and gender performativity were advanced, and she deftly made fun of society's strictures; she once admonished policemen who raided a gay bar and beat up its patrons, "Remember, you're hittin' a woman." During her entire lifetime she surrounded herself with gay men and stood up for gay rights at any and every opportunity. A feminist long before the term was coined, Mae took marching orders from no one, in her career or in her personal life.



Sadly, until BnL pointed this article out, my only real knowledge of the woman was that she was considered "controversial, risque, and sensational" for her time, and that her schtick was lots of sexual innuendo one-liners, and being a "bad girl."

After learning more about her, I find I admire her a lot... and feel it's a shame that she's not nearly so well-known for her ground-breaking actions and attitudes as, say, someone like Madonna, by modern culture.

[JKCarrier]

Why do people keep saying Lohan's body looks bad from drug use in the nude photos?

Not her body; her face. If I didn't know her actual age, I'd have guessed she was in her 40s:
http://reversemonster.org/rmblog/wp-content/photos/lohan/lohan6.jpg
(NSFW, obviously)

[KenK]

I can definitely agree on Winehouse having been effected physically by all her drug use, plus she became a compulsive excerciser. She definitely had a nice thick little body on her back in the Frank days, though. I wouldn't have kicked her outta my bed back then.

[KenK]

Not her body; her face. If I didn't know her actual age, I'd have guessed she was in her 40s:
http://reversemonster.org/rmblog/wp-content/photos/lohan/lohan6.jpg
(NSFW, obviously)

A shady black and white photo of Lohan on her back. Most people wouldn't look all that hot when photographed under those circumstances, so I'm still failing to see the point. Her skin's not wrinkled in any way. It doesn't look like she's in need of moisturizer or anything. I'm sorry, but I just don't see how she looks any older than the age she really is. It just seems like a lot of you guys are so accustomed to this idea of flawless beauty that anything even slightly below that standard is looked at with disdain. I've actually heard someone refer to her in these nude photos as "hideous", and it just seems sad that anyone would be so harsh in describing her. I mean REALLY? Have our standards and expectations for beauty been lifted so unrealistically high that "hideous" could be used to describe how Lohan looks now? Imagine how some everyday girls feel, as far as their own body image, and already feeling like insecure about how they look, and saying, "God, if people think Lindsay Lohan looks hideous, I must be an absolute beast!" It's the damn Jennifer Love Hewitt thing all over again! :mad:

[PatrickG]

Marilyn = sexy but not my type
Madonna = not even remotely sexy but has recorded a lot of singles I like
Lindsey Lohan = could be sexy but only if she can stop looking messed up and creepy

Drew Barrymore = extra-super-double-sexy

But not as sexy as Tina Fey.

Pretty much this although I'd say that Madonna does seem a little sexier every year. Which is kinda weird as I'm usually the guy who doesn't understand the appeal of much older women. (Never found many women that attractive beyond the soccer mom phase though Madonna and Solaris are both challenging that convention for me.)

[Sarah Beach]

Not her body; her face. If I didn't know her actual age, I'd have guessed she was in her 40s:
http://reversemonster.org/rmblog/wp-content/photos/lohan/lohan6.jpg
(NSFW, obviously)

I wouldn't call that a very good make-up job. And whoever set the wig did not do a good job of it, as you can see the edge of it. Done on the cheap, I'd say.

[Rattlehead]

Neither. They're both overexposed and overrated.Marilyn is remembered because she fucked JFK and later died. Her movies are terrible, and so was her singing. She also would have aged terribly from all of the drug use, and would have faded away had she lived. I almost wish that was the case, as I tire of seeing her no talent having face plastered all over the place. So what if she was a "sex symbol" half a decade ago? How does that make her a role model, or even a good person? If I do have a daughter, Marilyn Monroe would be one of the last people I would want her to look up to. She allowed herself to be objectified, nothing more. Hell, I respect Bettie Page more, as Bettie knew exactly what she was and isn't afraid to admit it. At least Madonna is a good business woman.

[ed2ward]

I honestly believe people have just been so brainwashed about people who have done drugs, and how people believe a person who's been on drugs should look, and subconsciously factoring those pre-conceived notions into their viewing of any person, especially celebrities, after they've been known to have used drugs.

That may be true for some people but I've been pretty close to several addicts of 'speedy' drugs (mostly coke and meth) and the more time I spend around people on those drugs while not doing them myself, the more I've found that visual signs of use of those leap out at me. A very, very good friend of mine told me that I was the only person that she knew who could tell the difference immediately when she was and wasn't high.

[Corrina]

Madge is a survivor, who wasn't going to let anyone or anything stop her.

Marilyn had talent in droves but let her insecurities and difficulties overwhelmed her.

Given a choice, I'm picking the survivor, every time.

[Paul McEnery]

Marilyn is remembered because she fucked JFK and later died. Her movies are terrible, .

Them's fighting words.

Anyone who doesn't like The Misfits, Some Like it Hot or Gentlemen Prefer Blondes might as well be publicly blinded for all the difference it would make.

[KenK]

That may be true for some people but I've been pretty close to several addicts of 'speedy' drugs (mostly coke and meth) and the more time I spend around people on those drugs while not doing them myself, the more I've found that visual signs of use of those leap out at me. A very, very good friend of mine told me that I was the only person that she knew who could tell the difference immediately when she was and wasn't high.

Are you honestly gonna tell me that if you knew nothing of Lohan's issues of drugs, if you were to view these pictures without any context whatsoever, I'm to believe that you'd be able to say, "Oh, yeah, she's a druggie."? If you say so, chief. :rolleyes:

[ed2ward]

Them's fighting words.

Anyone who doesn't like The Misfits, Some Like it Hot or Gentlemen Prefer Blondes might as well be publicly blinded for all the difference it would make.

Eh.

Maybe their taste will evolve. I certainly didn't get into Some Like it Hot the first time that I tried to watch it in Jr. High. It's since become one of my favorite comedies (although not even close to being my favorite Wilder).

One thing that I'm starting to get curious about with this ongoing conversation - which celebrities do y'all find sexy? Outside of the equation that's already been brought up with the Madonna/Marilyn and then the couple of additions, who do you just think is the hotness? Would most of the sexy dudes be of the abstastic variety? Would most of the women be of the rail-thin fucktoy variety?

Mine:
1) Tina Fey
2) Maggie Gyllenhaal
3) Sarah Vowell
4) Kelly MacDonald
5) Zooey Deschanel

[Evan Waters]

I maintain that the most beautiful woman on the planet is Julia Sawalha.

[ed2ward]

Are you honestly gonna tell me that if you knew nothing of Lohan's issues of drugs, if you were to view these pictures without any context whatsoever, I'm to believe that you'd be able to say, "Oh, yeah, she's a druggie."? If you say so, chief. :rolleyes:

Not trying to say that I have magical powers of perception that would allow me to pick out all of the drug habits of total strangers, but, as with anything, you do start to notice it once you're around it. I have no idea if I'd be thinking that direction regarding Lindsey Lohan without the media saturation regarding her problems. My guess would be not because I haven't been interested in a movie of hers since Mean Girls and she would probably be completely off my radar. Since that info is out there though it does make me look at her both more frequently than I would otherwise and with the thought of drug use in mind. I might see the same things without the context, I might not but there's no way of really knowing because the context is the entire reason I'm seeing the pictures in the first place.

[Paul McEnery]

Are you honestly gonna tell me that if you knew nothing of Lohan's issues of drugs, if you were to view these pictures without any context whatsoever, I'm to believe that you'd be able to say, "Oh, yeah, she's a druggie."? If you say so, chief. :rolleyes:

Like anyone else in the world, he'd be saying "wibbly wobbly wibbly wobbly wubbita wubbita wubbita".

[Incognita]

After doing extensive research on Mae West last night I must admit, now I'm very impressed by her.

So in saying that I would have to say my favourite women, in no particular order, are:

Marilyn Monroe,
Mae West,
Jessica Alba,
Nicole Kidman,
Keira Knightley.

All my reasons for liking these women are pretty superficial but basically:

Marilyn Monroe because I just think she's really pretty and she did a good job going from being a young girl going from foster home to foster home to being one of the most famous women of the 20th century.

Mae West because she stood up for things that most people would have just kept quite, she kind of opened up the way for all the controversial things at the time to become so much more main stream today...Also all her awesome and witty quotes...

Jessica Alba because she's a young and successful actress who didn't screw up like a lot of other young celebrities by being caught doing compromising things, she's a good role model and she's always just seemed rather pleasant to me. Although I don't think she should have played The Invisible Girl at all.

Nicole Kidman because she's Australian, she was in Moulin Rouge and I just found out that she's 40. I had no idea...I thought she was about 33...

Keira Knightley because apparently I look like her and also, she's completely dislexic yet she still does a rather good job of playing in movies. I have a cousin who used to be a model and did a bit of acting but was then diagnosed with dislexia and now he's just a plumber...I like the fact that she didn't let her disability stop her and I'm really angry with my Auntie and Uncle for not encouraging my cousin to pursue something he did enjoy and was good at... I really do think Keira Knightley should gain more weight though!


Sorry about the length...

[KenK]

Eh.

Maybe their taste will evolve. I certainly didn't get into Some Like it Hot the first time that I tried to watch it in Jr. High. It's since become one of my favorite comedies (although not even close to being my favorite Wilder).

One thing that I'm starting to get curious about with this ongoing conversation - which celebrities do y'all find sexy? Outside of the equation that's already been brought up with the Madonna/Marilyn and then the couple of additions, who do you just think is the hotness? Would most of the sexy dudes be of the abstastic variety? Would most of the women be of the rail-thin fucktoy variety?

Mine:
1) Tina Fey
2) Maggie Gyllenhaal
3) Sarah Vowell
4) Kelly MacDonald
5) Zooey Deschanel

I'll take one and two from your list. Number five, maybe, but I like her sister more.

I definitely prefer some thickness, but I can definitely appreciate a tight, slender hardbody ever now and then.

[ed2ward]

Number five, maybe, but I like her sister more.

Didn't know she had a sister. Just looked her up. Definitely pretty, and I remember her scene in Spider-Man 2 well enough to have a sense of what she looks like in motion, although I'm pretty sure I haven't seen anything else she's been in.

[Dazzler]

Neither. They're both overexposed and overrated.Marilyn is remembered because she fucked JFK and later died. Her movies are terrible, and so was her singing. She also would have aged terribly from all of the drug use, and would have faded away had she lived. I almost wish that was the case, as I tire of seeing her no talent having face plastered all over the place. So what if she was a "sex symbol" half a decade ago? How does that make her a role model, or even a good person? If I do have a daughter, Marilyn Monroe would be one of the last people I would want her to look up to. She allowed herself to be objectified, nothing more. Hell, I respect Bettie Page more, as Bettie knew exactly what she was and isn't afraid to admit it. At least Madonna is a good business woman.

Yes, I totally see your point. As opposed to the woman who allowed herself to be objectified, you'd much rather go for the woman who allowed herself to be objectified.
And barring her, the woman who allows herself to be objectified.

Excellent rationale.

Also, just for clarification, Marilyn Monroe was a sex symbol more like half a century ago, not a half a decade.

--Dazz

[KenK]

Didn't know she had a sister. Just looked her up. Definitely pretty, and I remember her scene in Spider-Man 2 well enough to have a sense of what she looks like in motion, although I'm pretty sure I haven't seen anything else she's been in.

Emily Deschenel. I love her on Bones. And for a while, I thought she was a twig, until this season's Halloween episode, where her character dressed up as Wonder Woman, she's got some nice healthy thighs! :D

[rick]

Them's fighting words.

Anyone who doesn't like The Misfits, Some Like it Hot or Gentlemen Prefer Blondes might as well be publicly blinded for all the difference it would make.

Yep.

You get the feathers and I'll go get the tar.

[Paul McEnery]

Yep.

You get the feathers and I'll go get the tar.

Shit.

I always have to get the feathers.

heeeeere chicky chicky goooood chicky chicky

[Tobias March]

Shit.

I always have to get the feathers.

heeeeere chicky chicky goooood chicky chicky

I always just cut up some pillows myself.......that is to say I both condemn and deplore such actions. Shame.


"I am shocked, shocked, to find gambling is going on in here".

[Apex Tech]

I honestly believe people have just been so brainwashed about people who have done drugs, and how people believe a person who's been on drugs should look, and subconsciously factoring those pre-conceived notions into their viewing of any person, especially celebrities, after they've been known to have used drugs. If Lohan weren't famous, I don't anyone would be saying that she looks "haggard". If that's your idea of haggard, I guess I'd go out of my way to bang some haggard chicks.

QFT.

People love to 'bawwwwww' about celebrities.
Some drugs damage your looks, some don't.

I mean there's no debating that Amy Winehouse's looks got ruined. Looks at some older pictures of her--she was once a pretty good looking woman. But now? She's a walking nightmare. And NOT just because she's super-skinny. Her teeth, her hair, her breasts, her skin, etc. all took huge blows.

She's British. It was bound to happen.

Not her body; her face. If I didn't know her actual age, I'd have guessed she was in her 40s:
http://reversemonster.org/rmblog/wp-content/photos/lohan/lohan6.jpg
(NSFW, obviously)

Doesn't look that old, unless you've been spending too much time with imaginary women.

[Solaris]

QFT.

...

She's British. It was bound to happen.

...


One could as easily say, "You're a teenager; you were bound to make a stereotypical remark," and also be wrong.

[Apex Tech]

...


One could as easily say, "You're a teenager; you were bound to make a stereotypical remark," and also be wrong.

Jokes? On THE INTERNET? I could have sworn it was serious business!

Also relevant to this thread. (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/malomeat/1203638889593.jpg)