Chris Claremont's GENEXT

[Excelsior]

This series has been a long time coming, and Im glad to see it come to a fruition. Hopefully it will dovetail with the awesomeness that was X-men: the end. I know im being greedy but Im hoping this will be successful so that we can also get the proposed Chris Claremont/ Manara Limited series. Another dream project, an X-fan such as myself has dared to believe would happen.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/NoPrize/GENEXT001.jpg


GENEXT #1 (of 5)
Written by CHRIS CLAREMONT
Penciled by PATRICK SCHERBERGER
Cover by DOUG GREGORY ALEXANDER
You asked for it, X-Fans, and now, you got it! Marvel.com asked you what Chris Claremont’s next project should be. You, the fans, said you wanted to know what today’s new generation of X-Men would be like if the Marvel Universe aged in real-time! Who are the children of the X-Men? And what happened to the original team, Professor X, and Magneto after over 30 years of conflict, victories, and tragedies? Now, at last, the answers arrive as beloved X-Men scribe Chris Claremont reveals an all-new generation of mutant teens!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99

[DeadXMan]

About Bloody time!!!!:D :D :D

[Pro]

Tempted, haven't been a big Claremont fan since his return but this sounds like something up his alley. Might be worth buying.

[podmark]

I love the art, and the new kids look very cool. Is that enough to get to buy it? Right now probably not.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

I'd give it a shot. could be interesting.
looks good.

[PaStella]

The cover is great...

Let's wait ans see, it is still CC work.

[Pach!]

I will buy 10 issues if it has a Rough Justice/Rouge-Mort child in charge of the Brotherhood or something.

[Kid Icarus]

What do we know about the characters? I think there was some preview art up a couple of years ago but all I remember from it is colossus's kid.

[Pach!]

What do we know about the characters? I think there was some preview art up a couple of years ago but all I remember from it is colossus's kid.

The black girl is probably Storm's daughter Becky or Rebecca Monroe. LOL.

And the Cannonball charater could be Thomas Jefferson Guthrie.

Both names are full of WIN.

Oh and the shiny dude is obviously Piotr's.

The leader is probably Jean/Scott's kid. Nate, Nathan, variant of that.

Blonde girl is a mistery to me.

[Kid Icarus]

The black girl is probably Storm's daughter Becky or Rebecca Monroe. LOL.

And the Cannonball charater could be Thomas Jefferson Guthrie.

Both names are full of WIN.

Oh and the shiny dude is obviously Piotr's.

The leader is probably Jean/Scott's kid. Nate, Nathan, variant of that.

Blonde girl is a mistery to me.

I was thinking either Iceman's or Angel's spawn
but who knows

[darknessatnoon]

I was thinking either Iceman's or Angel's spawn
but who knows

She's blond and very robotic looking. If I had to guess, I would say she's Boom Boom and Machine Man's love child.

[Optic Rage!]

Hopefully it will dovetail with the awesomeness that was X-men: the end.

What?

While i like the concept, i wont be picking as i'm sure the writing will be dire.

However, if i'm proved wrong and CC actually manages to make this a good read[miraciles do happen] i might pick it up.

[xmanson]

I'm a CC fan but don't really give a shit about this.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

LOL@the underhanded insults at the writer that makes a board like this exist. Comedy.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Did it any where say that the kids where exclusively the original 5s kids? yeah didn't see that mentioned anywhere. Yet another alternative reality divulges from the mainstream. sigh, For all we know there might be half a dozen more supposed kids in the book on their way. Why couldn't this spin out from what was currently happening in the marvel universe? I mean, why not use the current status quo of characters and tell a story of their kids 30 years from now. (Note to Self e-mail hudlin and ask for 30 year down the line Black Panther story.)

Kid Break Down:

(Dark skinned girl) Storm and Forge (blah) Kid: (insert name) Silvercloud. If they are married this is more likely gonna be the kids name. If Storm has a baby out of wed-lock or broke up with Forge post conception and didnt' want to get back with him nor have anything to do with him (yay!) it would probably result in the childs name being Monroe. Other possibilities, Bishop and Deathbirds child or Bishop and Sages kid. :)

Scott and Jean: No doubt who that is, its untechnovirused Shaman/Jesus Nate Summers.

(Blonde girl): Considering the mask she is wearing I'm thinking shes related to Kitty in some manner, she could be Kitty and Piotr.

Goggle Boy: Could be a Guthrie but way to predictable, and since I'm not 100% sold on CC love of the character to the extent that he considers him a core enough X-Man that his descendants need to be starring characters in this book I'll lean toward a different opinion. I'm thinking Angel and Psylocke are the kids parents.

Colossus Jr: obviously its the child is Colossus and Mystique's. Or Colossus and Blink lol. Maybe it's Piotr's bastard son from the Savage Lands.

[steve2275]

the girl is obviusly pete and carols :p

[Kage Kisaragi]

the girl is obviusly pete and carols :p

oh my gawd you're so right. :)

[Ogrebear]

I am hoping we get to see some of the children (mutant or not) of other superheroes in the book such as Franklin Richards, May Parker and the not-Young-anymore Avengers.

Be nice to think this *could* be the start of another MC2 style timeline just one starting in the 60's.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I am hoping we get to see some of the children (mutant or not) of other superheroes in the book such as Franklin Richards, May Parker and the not-Young-anymore Avengers.

Be nice to think this *could* be the start of another MC2 style timeline just one starting in the 60's.

but didn't the x-men start in the 70's? and even still wouldn't these new gen x-men be in our modern time?

[jarrod]

Looks... eh, skippable. :/

Also, isn't the concept just "real time aging" from 1991 onwards? So as to convienently skip all the post-CC X-Men canon (lolz)?

[Swashbuckler]

wow, this title actually makes it to light. That's suprising. I have no interest in seeing possible furture X-Men offspring. It just brings a back door for more ANNOYING characters like Rachel Grey to come and take up space while whining that their timeline sucks and they needed to escape here. But no one here loves them either. GOD I HATE RACHEL!

[jarrod]

I think... this book needs more Rachel. <3 <3

She can just replace Xaiver as visionary, mentor and spiritual leader. I mean she's done it before. ;)

[aelio]

I am thrilled to see this finally come out. This is a concept that is long over due, and, even though many of you rabidly dislike his writing (although there are contingents here who rabidly dislike any given writer), I think that CC is easily one of the top 3 people suited to a book like this. I can't wait. Also, for those who asked, the X-men started in the 60's and the All New, All Different, All International (except for Proudstar), All Marketable X-men started arrived in the 70's.

[Kage Kisaragi]

wow, this title actually makes it to light. That's suprising. I have no interest in seeing possible furture X-Men offspring. It just brings a back door for more ANNOYING characters like Rachel Grey to come and take up space while whining that their timeline sucks and they needed to escape here. But no one here loves them either. GOD I HATE RACHEL!

who said anything about future X-Men? you might not have directed that toward me but for all purposes I'd like to point out that I was clearly talking about the older X-Men but with what each of those characters are doing now. Example Scott is with Emma I would like to see their off-spring 30 years down the line, and Storm is with T'Challa what are their off-spring gonna contribute to the world? Mutant or otherwise? Ect ect ect.

[chickrockguitar]

I'm interested in this. I was interested when it was brought up ages ago.
I want to see a press release though!

[La Fea]

What?

While i like the concept, i wont be picking as i'm sure the writing will be dire.

However, if i'm proved wrong and CC actually manages to make this a good read[miraciles do happen] i might pick it up.

Yeah, I'm really hoping there's nothing affiliated to the tragedy that was X-Men: The End, in terms of characters or quality.

[ReturnOfTheComeback]

might be the child of Colossus and Callisto , anybody ever think of that eh?!

[mugiwara]

I'm in!

This said, I think I voted for it, but I expected the new generation of X-Men to be New Mutants and Gen X memebers.

I just hope tha the guy with glowing eye is Scott and Maddie's son and not Scott and Jean's.

[Novaya Havoc]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/Blog/genext_becky.jpg

[Kage Kisaragi]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/Blog/genext_becky.jpg

*note to self become x-man writer kill forge in all realities, project die forge die!*

[Pro]

It just brings a back door for more ANNOYING characters like Rachel Grey to come and take up space while whining that their timeline sucks and they needed to escape here. But no one here loves them either. GOD I HATE RACHEL!

YOUR TIMELINE SUCKS!

:p

[ZNOP]

but didn't the x-men start in the 70's?

Nope. 1963

[DDM]

Scott and Jean: No doubt who that is, its untechnovirused Shaman/Jesus Nate Summers.

If I remember correctly, GeNext follows the timeline is real time & Jean Grey is still dead from Uncanny X-Men #137. The kid is more than likely Scott Summers & Madelyne Pryor-Summers' child, Nathan.

Colossus Jr: obviously its the child is Colossus and Mystique's. Or Colossus and Blink lol. Maybe it's Piotr's bastard son from the Savage Lands.

Nope. Kid Colossus is the child of Colossus & one of the Fall People from the Savage Land. He was shown in Uncanny X-Men Annual #12. She never outright told Peter, Colossus Jr is his son. Colossus had sex with one of the Fall People off camera inbetween Uncanny X-Men #115-116.

[Josef F.]

WHERE IS THE ROGUE/GAMBIT BABY.
:mad: :(

[ToxicTeen]

I'm interested in the concept of an alternate reality X-Men book which has mutants and a new young X-Men team. And I wonder who's kids are who. :D If the mini works out well, then maybe Marvel might make it a series like Spider-Girl and the upcoming American Dream. ;) I also like that title GeNext is almost like Generation X/Next.

[darknessatnoon]

I want a series spotlighting the young Cassandra Nova, fresh from fetushood and the sewers. I can already see her in her late twenties, wearing a dashing, powder-blue, cravat. Where can I vote for that?

[HeckBoy]

I haven't been a fan of CC for a long time, but the art and concept of this series has me intrigued [what can I say, I'm a sucker for (non-apocalyptic) alternate futures]. But since it is CC (and a self-contained series), I'll probably trade-wait.

Maybe I'm just recalling this incorrectly, but isn't this series's continuity branching off from the start of Adjective-less (I think after #3), give or take some creative changes? If that's true, then my guesses on who those kids are:

-Metal guy: Colossus's son from the Savage Lands
-Blonde girl: no idea, but seeing as how she looks the youngest, she could probably be Kitty's daughter (I doubt CC would exclude Kitty from a work like this)
-Blonde guy: a Guthrie spawn
-Black girl: Storm + Forge's daughter
-"Eye" guy: what Nathan Summers should've been like

[Disco Jess Minge]

I want a series spotlighting the young Cassandra Nova, fresh from fetushood and the sewers. I can already see her in her late twenties, wearing a dashing, powder-blue, cravat. Where can I vote for that?

In our hearts, that would rock so hard, but Claremont wouldn't do it just for that reason alone.

Accept the bland-osity for this one people, it was written over two years ago, I doubt he has gone back to rewrite it.

[Swashbuckler]

YOUR TIMELINE SUCKS!

:p

With Bush in office, yes it does suck right now.

[metalgorgomon]

This book looks cool. Hopefully the interior art will be as good as the cover art.. Very tempted in picking this book..

[Kage Kisaragi]

If I remember correctly, GeNext follows the timeline is real time & Jean Grey is still dead from Uncanny X-Men #137. The kid is more than likely Scott Summers & Madelyne Pryor-Summers' child, Nathan.



Nope. Kid Colossus is the child of Colossus & one of the Fall People from the Savage Land. He was shown in Uncanny X-Men Annual #12. She never outright told Peter, Colossus Jr is his son. Colossus had sex with one of the Fall People off camera inbetween Uncanny X-Men #115-116.
Didn't I just say that.

[DDM]

Didn't I just say that.

You were making guesses with Mystique & other characters out of the clear blue sky. Then you mentioned the Fall People. But you never outright stated the Kid Colossus is from the Savage Land.

And you're wrong about Nathan being Scott & Jean's kid. Jean can't have anymore children in this reality because she is still dead when she died as Dark Phoenix in Uncanny X-Men #137. Scott married Madelyne Pryor & had a child, Nathan, in Uncanny X-Men #200-201.

[CaptainMarvel]

I just hope tha the guy with glowing eye is Scott and Maddie's son and not Scott and Jean's.

If it's going to be its own timeline, then why needlessly complicate this new timeline with stuff like Jean's clone? Nah, he's gonna be Scott and Jean's kid.

And I bet you his name will be Christopher Summers. No Nathan. Remember, he was named Nathan because of Mr. Sinister. Take Madelyne Pryor/Mr. Sinister out of the equation, and the kid would've been named Christopher Charles Summers.

[chickrockguitar]

Anyone know of an upcoming Press Release about this title?
I'm very interested in this! I REALLY hope the art is as good as the cover.

[DDM]

If it's going to be its own timeline, then why needlessly complicate this new timeline with stuff like Jean's clone? Nah, he's gonna be Scott and Jean's kid.

And I bet you his name will be Christopher Summers. No Nathan. Remember, he was named Nathan because of Mr. Sinister. Take Madelyne Pryor/Mr. Sinister out of the equation, and the kid would've been named Christopher Charles Summers.

This timeline has Jean dead. She never returns for X-Factor since the team is never founded. Nathan is Scott & Madelyne Pryor-Summers' child. In this reality, Madleyne is not a clone of Jean.

That's why it is called an alternate reality.

[Flâneur]

This timeline has Jean dead. She never returns for X-Factor since the team is never founded. Nathan is Scott & Madelyne Pryor-Summers' child. In this reality, Madleyne is not a clone of Jean.

That's why it is called an alternate reality.

CC never wanted Jean dead in the first place though, so I wouldn't bet your life savings on the Maddie thing just yet.

[DDM]

CC never wanted Jean dead in the first place though, so I wouldn't bet your life savings on the Maddie thing just yet.

Claremont realized Shooter was correct that Jean's crimes did not fit the punishment. In fact, Claremont was throwing ideas at Shooter for the mysterious 5th member of X-Factor to be either Dazzler or Tessa--not Jean Grey!

So Nathan's mother is indeed Madelyne Pryor.

[darknessatnoon]

In fact, Claremont was throwing ideas at Shooter for the mysterious 5th member of X-Factor to be either Dazzler or Tessa--not Jean Grey!


Tessa, really? Ha ha ha ha! I will treasure this fact forever and have now pardoned CC for all his many crimes.

[DDM]

Tessa, really? Ha ha ha ha! I will treasure this fact forever and have now pardoned CC for all his many crimes.

Yes, I figure Chris Claremont has had Tessa as a double agent spy worked out since around 1985 or so.

[DeadXMan]

With Bush in office, yes it does suck right now.

and with Hillary or obamma it will suck even more


(finding the timeline were there's no altimeters and two term limit, or one were Rush is pres, whichever comes first)

[tetragene]

Claremont realized Shooter was correct that Jean's crimes did not fit the punishment. In fact, Claremont was throwing ideas at Shooter for the mysterious 5th member of X-Factor to be either Dazzler or Tessa--not Jean Grey!

So Nathan's mother is indeed Madelyne Pryor.

According to Layton--who worked on X-Factor when it debuted--Dazzler was his idea as the 5th member. He made no mention of Tessa (or Sara Grey) or Claremont suggesting Dazzler.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=4761621&postcount=1198

[CaptainMarvel]

This timeline has Jean dead. She never returns for X-Factor since the team is never founded. Nathan is Scott & Madelyne Pryor-Summers' child. In this reality, Madleyne is not a clone of Jean.

That's why it is called an alternate reality.

Do you have a link where it says that in the Genext timeline Jean is dead and there is a Madelyne Pryor?

[DDM]

According to Layton--who worked on X-Factor when it debuted--Dazzler was his idea as the 5th member. He made no mention of Tessa (or Sara Grey) or Claremont suggesting Dazzler.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=4761621&postcount=1198

I remember Dazzler possibly joining X-Factor right at the end of Beauty & the Beast #4 when Hank mentions the team...I'll have to look.

Chris Claremont came up with Tessa or Sarah Grey, Jean's sister to be Jean's replacement for X-Factor.

[DDM]

Do you have a link where it says that in the Genext timeline Jean is dead and there is a Madelyne Pryor?

I'm doing it all from memory. The information is over two years old & this mini-series has been done for quite some time.

[Judge Mental]

I'm pretty sure DDM is right.

I remember reading that basically the timeline diverges from just before when X-Factor would have been formed.

Jean never comes back.

[John Sage]

According to Layton--who worked on X-Factor when it debuted--Dazzler was his idea as the 5th member. He made no mention of Tessa (or Sara Grey) or Claremont suggesting Dazzler.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=4761621&postcount=1198

Claremont has mentioned before that one of his ideas was for the fifth member to be Sara Grey with cerebro like powers to discover other mutants.

I believe this may have been said in Len Wein's x-men book.

[ClanAskani]

I think... this book needs more Rachel. <3 <3

She can just replace Xaiver as visionary, mentor and spiritual leader. I mean she's done it before. ;)

Ooooh, that would be cool to see what Claremont would have done with Rachel and her relationship with Scott, Maddie and baby Nathan (Christopher?). And Rachel showing her Summers leadership abilities too would be fantastic.

And I bet you his name will be Christopher Summers. No Nathan. Remember, he was named Nathan because of Mr. Sinister. Take Madelyne Pryor/Mr. Sinister out of the equation, and the kid would've been named Christopher Charles Summers.

Was Claremont the one pushing for Nathan over Christopher? In Excalibur 6 (written by Claremont), Rachel called him Nathan. In Days of Future Present, the Louise Simonson issues called the baby Christopher, and then Claremont's issue (Uncanny Annual 14) everyone, even Scott, switched to Nathan. Seemed like Claremont was the one who liked Nathan more than Christopher.

Calling him Christopher Charles Summers would clearly differentiate this version from Cable and X-Man. All the Nates get confusing.


It would be nice to see the old Madelyne Pryor back. The one that wasn't a clone of Jean, wasn't corrupted, and didn't have a creepy relationship with Nate Grey.

[Diablito]

Uhh, pass. Unless it gets amazing reviews.

[Dagger]

It looks cool, but it's written by CC (Current Claremont) which means the liklihood that it will suck is exponentially greater than what I'm willing to wager that it'll rock hardcore.

[DeniseXfrost]

...........So that means no Emma's kids?

[just another user]

Sadly, Emma is probably too old to have kids being post-menopausal.

[DeniseXfrost]

Sadly, I won't be buying that book.

[roguephoenix]

...........So that means no Emma's kids?

you think she'd really have a child and ruin a body she's paid so much for? i think not! a test tube one, maybe. if she wanted a child she'd make one like kyle xy or jesse xx. super child without the scars, pain, and disfiguring weight gain.

[Jackob]

you think she'd really have a child and ruin a body she's paid so much for? i think not! a test tube one, maybe. if she wanted a child she'd make one like kyle xy or jesse xx. super child without the scars, pain, and disfiguring weight gain.

ant the cuckoos technacly her kids?

[pryde15]

looks interesting, I think I will buy the first issue to see if I like it, and if I do I will continue to buy it.


I thought all of Emma's eggs were taken though, for them to make all those Cuckoos? or was I wrong?

[roguephoenix]

well if she makes them like kyle and jesse, she really doesn't need her eggs...

[mike627]

I wolud pick this up if it were written by someone else,CC's time has passed.

[DeniseXfrost]

you think she'd really have a child and ruin a body she's paid so much for? i think not! a test tube one, maybe. if she wanted a child she'd make one like kyle xy or jesse xx. super child without the scars, pain, and disfiguring weight gain.
She has 4 kids in the Xmen the end timeline.

[Mr. Kent]

Just a thought - perhaps the blonde girl with the Shadowcat-esque mask is the child of Kitty and Doug Ramsey? A poster mentioned she has a cold/robotic look. Well, maybe she fills the team's reserved genius role, with the smarts she inherited from her genius parents..?

[The Black Guardian]

She has 4 kids in the Xmen the end timeline.
I still bet she stole those.

Anyway, I can't wait for this series. I'll need to drop a title from my pull list though. :(

[jarrod]

It looks cool, but it's written by CC (Current Claremont) which means the liklihood that it will suck is exponentially greater than what I'm willing to wager that it'll rock hardcore.
But what if he's got Kitty and Shan as an old married couple in Provicetown? Jeeps and dogs and domestic partnership and all? :D

[xgeek52]

this series is a long time coming...and despite what anyone feels about his work recently, he is the best man for the job...

'nuf said...

[Swashbuckler]

this series is a long time coming...and despite what anyone feels about his work recently, he is the best man for the job...

'nuf said...

Really? REALLY? Did you read X-Men: The End? It was a total train wreck. While I think this series cold be interesting, I think it's going to be far too removed from anything to matter in any way shape or form. It seems entirely unnecessary and awfully pretentious.

[Excelsior]

I wolud pick this up if it were written by someone else,CC's time has passed.


I think that is the source of most of the criticism of his work. I believe its not the quality of the work. Because for me, its as high as its ever been. But Time, is the factor. When you have been writing comics for 30 years, you develop a distinctive style of storytelling. A familiar one. And some readers resent the familiararity. And it is my belief that all writers with extremely long tenures are treated as such.

With a body of work so large, how can a writer present something a reader fells is fresh and new. 30 years at 12 comics a year = 360 stories at least. It is my belief, the new crop of superstar writers seem fresh and new because, well they are fresh and new. in ten years the same complaints will creep up, because by then their styles will become familiar.

Lastly, I think CC has done a great job in absorbing the new thought processes when it comes to mutants in the X-mythos. Originally a metaphor for racial bigotry. The X-men have changed presently toward more of an analogy of homophobic prejudice---.

And with the lack of Minority involvement in most X-titles, It is clear which Mythos is considered the driving force of these new X-men.

http://www.gaydemographics.org/index.htm

US CENSUS DATA*
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/DTGeoSearchByListServlet?ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&state=dt

=======Facts that stuck out to me

78.8% of respondents are white. 89% of same-sex couples have partners
of the same race. Racial diversity is 4x more likely in same-sex
couples as in the general population. All racial categories are
represented.

=======================
EDUCATION & OCCUPATION
=======================

24.7% of same-sex couples have a college degree. 23.2% are high school
graduates.

Average household income: $76,460 for same-sex couples who live with
nobody else.
Average household income for total adult population: $41,994

In contrast Minorities--


$31,969
The annual median income of single-race black households in 2006.

24.3%
Poverty rate in 2006 for single-race blacks.

20.5%
The percentage of single-race blacks lacking health insurance in 2006, up from 19% in 2005.

[darknessatnoon]

I think that is the source of most of the criticism of his work. I believe its not the quality of the work. Because for me, its as high as its ever been. But Time, is the factor. When you have been writing comics for 30 years, you develop a distinctive style of storytelling. A familiar one. And some readers resent the familiararity. And it is my belief that all writers with extremely long tenures are treated as such.

With a body of work so large, how can a writer present something a reader fells is fresh and new. 30 years at 12 comics a year = 360 stories at least. It is my belief, the new crop of superstar writers seem fresh and new because, well they are fresh and new. in ten years the same complaints will creep up, because by then their styles will become familiar.

Lastly, I think CC has done a great job in absorbing the new thought processes when it comes to mutants in the X-mythos. Originally a metaphor for racial bigotry. The X-men have changed presently toward a more of an analogy of homophobic prejudice---.

And with the lack of Minority involvement in most X-titles, It is clear which Mythos is considered the driving force of these new X-men.

http://www.gaydemographics.org/index.htm

US CENSUS DATA*
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/DTGeoSearchByListServlet?ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&state=dt

=======Facts that stuck out to me

78.8% of respondents are white. 89% of same-sex couples have partners
of the same race. Racial diversity is 4x more likely in same-sex
couples as in the general population. All racial categories are
represented.

=======================
EDUCATION & OCCUPATION
=======================

24.7% of same-sex couples have a college degree. 23.2% are high school
graduates.

Average household income: $76,460 for same-sex couples who live with
nobody else.
Average household income for total adult population: $41,994

In contrast Minorities--


$31,969
The annual median income of single-race black households in 2006.

24.3%
Poverty rate in 2006 for single-race blacks.

20.5%
The percentage of single-race blacks lacking health insurance in 2006, up from 19% in 2005.

I don't know what these statistics have to do with anything. I would also like to mention that the only time I saw the n-word in a comic was under CC's pen when Kitty Pryde was speaking to Stevie Hunter. It was horrific!

[Swashbuckler]

I think that is the source of most of the criticism of his work. I believe its not the quality of the work. Because for me, its as high as its ever been. But Time, is the factor. When you have been writing comics for 30 years, you develop a distinctive style of storytelling. A familiar one. And some readers resent the familiararity. And it is my belief that all writers with extremely long tenures are treated as such.

With a body of work so large, how can a writer present something a reader fells is fresh and new. 30 years at 12 comics a year = 360 stories at least. It is my belief, the new crop of superstar writers seem fresh and new because, well they are fresh and new. in ten years the same complaints will creep up, because by then their styles will become familiar.

The problem is, even in CC's new work he's repetative. Mind control happens constantly and his deus ex machina characters are horrid. His dialogue is old. and his need to have cliche arc types are unwelcomed in my opinion.

[Excelsior]

The problem is, even in CC's new work he's repetative. Mind control happens constantly and his deus ex machina characters are horrid. His dialogue is old. and his need to have cliche arc types are unwelcomed in my opinion.

The only reason we know this is because we have 30 years of writing to fall back on. Given enough time, every Marvel writer can be dissected as such.

[Swashbuckler]

The only reason we know this is because we have 30 years of writing to fall back on. Given enough time, every Marvel writer can be dissected as such.

But i'm basing this on his recent series, New Excalibur and New Exiles only.

[Excelsior]

But i'm basing this on his recent series, New Excalibur and New Exiles only.

Ok I stand corrected. I read similarities but I attributed them to style.

[DDM]

Selene--as the Black Queen--should be in control of the Hellfire Club's Inner Circle since her rivals--Sebastian Shaw & Emma Frost--are either dead or too old to be considered a threat. Selene should not have aged one bit thanks to her mutant ability to psionically drain the life-force of her victims...

[Callisto]

This series has been a long time coming, and Im glad to see it come to a fruition. Hopefully it will dovetail with the awesomeness that was X-men: the end. I know im being greedy but Im hoping this will be successful so that we can also get the proposed Chris Claremont/ Manara Limited series. Another dream project, an X-fan such as myself has dared to believe would happen.

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GENEXT #1 (of 5)
Written by CHRIS CLAREMONT
Penciled by PATRICK SCHERBERGER
Cover by DOUG GREGORY ALEXANDER
You asked for it, X-Fans, and now, you got it! Marvel.com asked you what Chris Claremont’s next project should be. You, the fans, said you wanted to know what today’s new generation of X-Men would be like if the Marvel Universe aged in real-time! Who are the children of the X-Men? And what happened to the original team, Professor X, and Magneto after over 30 years of conflict, victories, and tragedies? Now, at last, the answers arrive as beloved X-Men scribe Chris Claremont reveals an all-new generation of mutant teens!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99




this clearly isn't even going to be cannon so why does it matter what these POSSIBLE x-children would look like? and judging from the cover they look boring and bland.

[tetragene]

I think that is the source of most of the criticism of his work. I believe its not the quality of the work. Because for me, its as high as its ever been. But Time, is the factor. When you have been writing comics for 30 years, you develop a distinctive style of storytelling. A familiar one. And some readers resent the familiararity. And it is my belief that all writers with extremely long tenures are treated as such.

With a body of work so large, how can a writer present something a reader fells is fresh and new. 30 years at 12 comics a year = 360 stories at least. It is my belief, the new crop of superstar writers seem fresh and new because, well they are fresh and new. in ten years the same complaints will creep up, because by then their styles will become familiar.

Lastly, I think CC has done a great job in absorbing the new thought processes when it comes to mutants in the X-mythos. Originally a metaphor for racial bigotry. The X-men have changed presently toward more of an analogy of homophobic prejudice---.

And with the lack of Minority involvement in most X-titles, It is clear which Mythos is considered the driving force of these new X-men.

http://www.gaydemographics.org/index.htm

US CENSUS DATA*
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/DTGeoSearchByListServlet?ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&state=dt

=======Facts that stuck out to me

78.8% of respondents are white. 89% of same-sex couples have partners
of the same race. Racial diversity is 4x more likely in same-sex
couples as in the general population. All racial categories are
represented.

=======================
EDUCATION & OCCUPATION
=======================

24.7% of same-sex couples have a college degree. 23.2% are high school
graduates.

Average household income: $76,460 for same-sex couples who live with
nobody else.
Average household income for total adult population: $41,994

In contrast Minorities--


$31,969
The annual median income of single-race black households in 2006.

24.3%
Poverty rate in 2006 for single-race blacks.

20.5%
The percentage of single-race blacks lacking health insurance in 2006, up from 19% in 2005.


WTF do those statistics have to do with ANYTHING in this thread? Jesus Christ...pull yourself together, please.

Also--PAD has been writing for years. You do not see the same complaints with his books as you do with CC books. So is "time" still a factor? Or has one writer passed his prime and lacks the creative output he once had and relies entirely on old tricks over...and over...and over again? Readers' preferences/tastes change with time, yes--but that's not why you have people complaining so much about his work. He just lacks any originallity--everything is "been there, done that" by this point--we know exactly what to expect. People were calling the ending of NEX and the eventual New Exiles team almost half a year before anything was announced or saw print... That has nothing to do with "reader's tastes shifting away from 'classic' comic story-telling" and more to do with complete and utter predictability of a writer who does the same things in EVERY. SINGLE. BOOK. he comes onto.

[Excelsior]

sorry I let one thread of thought run into the other. I should have posted the second part in another post.

[DDM]

this clearly isn't even going to be cannon so why does it matter what these POSSIBLE x-children would look like? and judging from the cover they look boring and bland.

GeNext #1 cover is a homage to Uncanny X-Men #138:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/NoPrize/GENEXT001.jpghttp://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97792366288.138.GIF

The children look like they are your typical teenagers in that they think they know everything better than the adults by the way they are walking off...

[The Black Guardian]

Really? REALLY? Did you read X-Men: The End? It was a total train wreck.
I enjoyed it more than most of the stuff Marvel has put out since. I'd take X-Men: The End over the Decimation crap anyday.
While I think this series cold be interesting, I think it's going to be far too removed from anything to matter in any way shape or form. It seems entirely unnecessary and awfully pretentious.
Spider-Girl is far too removed from anything to matter too, but it's one of the best series Marvel has, imo.

It's kind of too bad this mini isn't connected to the MC2 universe, though I can understand why it isn't.

[pryde15]

I enjoyed it more than most of the stuff Marvel has put out since. I'd take X-Men: The End over the Decimation crap anyday.

Spider-Girl is far too removed from anything to matter too, but it's one of the best series Marvel has, imo.

It's kind of too bad this mini isn't connected to the MC2 universe, though I can understand why it isn't.

Decimation wasn't that bad. The only title that went wrong with Decimation was Adjectiveless X-Men and New Excalibur. .

Due to Decimation, we got X-Factor with PAD as the writer.

Chris Yost & Craig Kyle started an amazing run on New X-Men

Chris Claremont wrote one of his best storylines of his latest run on Uncanny X-Men, with End of the Greys.

[Joe Franklin]

this clearly isn't even going to be cannon so why does it matter what these POSSIBLE x-children would look like? and judging from the cover they look boring and bland.

Well, Cannonball Jr. and Colossus Jr. at least look ok, and not so boring.

[Excelsior]

Who do you think the Blonde little girl is??

[Novaya Havoc]

Who do you think the Blonde little girl is??

The Mary Sue?

[Disco Jess Minge]

Chris Claremont wrote one of his best storylines of his latest run on Uncanny X-Men, with End of the Greys.

The only three issues that felt like it had the same spirit from his first run since he returned in 2000.:(

[pryde15]

The only three issues that felt like it had the same spirit from his first run since he returned in 2000.:(

quoted for the truth :(

[Disco Jess Minge]

quoted for the truth :(

Which is why he needs to retire to niche minis and specials like these and not hi-jack perfectly good titles like Exiles.

[The Black Guardian]

Decimation wasn't that bad. The only title that went wrong with Decimation was Adjectiveless X-Men and New Excalibur. .
We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Decimation has removed the entire purpose of the X-Books, imo. It wasn't really a bad idea, but the execution was way too extreme. Not to mention it bloodied Wanda's hands even more, which I endlessly loathe.

All of the books went wrong with Decimation, except for X-Factor, and that very fact alone speaks to the worth of the Decimation. The Decimation is really not an idea that sparks much in the way of stories. All it's really done is deplete X-Book resources and marginalize the brand.
Due to Decimation, we got X-Factor with PAD as the writer.

Chris Yost & Craig Kyle started an amazing run on New X-Men

Chris Claremont wrote one of his best storylines of his latest run on Uncanny X-Men, with End of the Greys.
Eh. We really could have had all of these without the Decimation.

[pryde15]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Decimation has removed the entire purpose of the X-Books, imo. It wasn't really a bad idea, but the execution was way too extreme. Not to mention it bloodied Wanda's hands even more, which I endlessly loathe.

All of the books went wrong with Decimation, except for X-Factor, and that very fact alone speaks to the worth of the Decimation. The Decimation is really not an idea that sparks much in the way of stories. All it's really done is deplete X-Book resources and marginalize the brand.

Eh. We really could have had all of these without the Decimation.

At that point, I was not happy what so ever with Decimation, but looking back at it, I am not mad about it. Because of Decimation, it is now leading the books an entirely new direction (Divided We Stand) that seems interesting.

Actually If not for Decimation, most of New X-Mens first few arcs, could not have happened. I think New X-Men & X-Factor are the 2 titles that really showed what it had done, but Claremont did write a very good storyline (didn't really have to do with Decimation, though.)

I will agree, I hate how the crossovers are now written, to where a Superhero must be displayed at the epitome of Evil, it worked once, but it is now the running gag with the huge crossovers.

[Excelsior]

The Mary Sue?

Thats true most blondes are mary Sues--I wonder if CC has drawn inspiration from real life.

[XYagentguy]

Do you think if it sells very well and people are crazy about this book that it be more than a mini?

[Rachel Grey]

lol that'd be awesome.

[steve2275]

shouldnt petes kid be a little bigger and taller :p

[xgeek52]

it's the 24th and 3:45am and swash yes i read the end...i won't call it a classic but it wasn't a train wreck either...

i don't remember who posted it but they were right...when you got someone who's been writing a certain book for over 30 years then they're gonna bring certain things to the table because they've been there and done that...

i say claremont is the best man for the job because he has done x-men for 30years...you can say what you want about his recent efforts, he knows the x-men...he know the x-men, because the man has been writing them for 30 years...

yes, the end was not a masterpiece...but it is a piece of work that will stand the test of time...and yes his last couple of ongoings probably sucked big time...

but genext, he's in his element...it's probably something he wanted to do and i figure we give him a chance...

if he tanks, i'll be the first one to blast him...

[Madrox84]

Well about time... I did vote for this option, way back when the poll was on Marvel.Com. And i must say i'm curious, i'll probably pick it up depending on how much spare money i have.

[Jimmae]

i think it would be cool if piotr / kitty had a kid, and he could only be phased or armoured, and never had a proper human state, so he would be sort of rogue-angst like in never really being able to touch someone