you are no longer fit to be an x-woman!

[Callisto]

out of all the women that have called themselves x-woman. who do you think no longer deserves or never HAS deserved that title and should be stripped of it?

[Rachel Grey]

Obvious answer is obvious.

Emma Frost.

[Flâneur]

Storm, she ain't no woman.

Trannylicious!

[DeniseXfrost]

Rachel Grey. I bet she doesn't even have the citizen card.

[metalgorgomon]

Mystique??

[Flinkman]

Obvious answer is obvious.

Emma Frost.
blasphemy! lol

i'm gonna say the real obvious answer is Mystique.

[DeniseXfrost]

Or lady mastermind?

[Optic Rage!]

If we are going for people who arent obvious choices and whome we all knew were going to betray the X-Men anyways then its easy.

Rachel - Go back to your crappy future, or at least cease to exist already, your boring, bland, and a completely flat and unintresting X-Man.

Not to mention your pretty much a carbon copy.

Sage - She's secretly the first X-man? Yeah, need i say more?

[PaStella]

Mystique and Lady Mastermind come first in mind

Although i don't like Rachel and Emma i can't deny them a place in X-Mansion.

[darknessatnoon]

out of all the women that have called themselves x-woman. who do you think no longer deserves or never HAS deserved that title and should be stripped of it?

What? It's very early and I haven't had coffee. You're asking which of the lady x-men are strippers?

[Kid Icarus]

Prostitlicous Stacy X

[Pach!]

Rachel.

Emma should convince her she's a dinosaur again and send her to the Savage Land.

I'd be happy.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

LOL...

I really have a humdinger of a trio as my favourite X-Women: Rachel Summers, Emma Frost, and Mystique. *sigh*

But, I say:

Hepzibah - she's a cosmic kitty, not a mutant. She needs to be doing litter commercials in Japan. Or actually be a decent skunky character back in space.

[Swashbuckler]

Rachel.

Emma should convince her she's a dinosaur again and send her to the Savage Land.

I'd be happy.

Andres FTW! Rachel Grey is not X-Woman worthy at all. She's the ultimate redheaded step-child that no one wants around.

[Kage Kisaragi]

The title X-Woman makes it sound as if being one was some kind of honor or reward, something of high esteem. When in fact all it meant was is You are gonna be repeatedly entered by every male mutant in the house. So get on your knees and bend over and get ready to take it.

With the above definition in place. I have only two choices, Jean Grey (real one) and Storm.

[Daithi]

Hepzibah: Perfect as a Starjammer but her spot as an X-Man should be given to any other female mutant.

[rwsmith]

Or lady mastermind?

Definitely. So glad Wolverine killed that hussy.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Definitely. So glad Wolverine killed that hussy.

not dead until they show her buried.

[jarrod]

Hep seems like the obvious choice (Stacy, Mystique, Regan, Rachel... uh all aren't X-Men currently). I like her inclusion though, just not the Austonian sewer sexaholic bit. ;)

[Lombardo!]

dazzler.

she either flies solo, or not at all, IMO.

[steve2275]

MYSTIQUE
nuff said

[La Fea]

Lady M is the best X-Woman there ever was or ever will be!

I would say Hepzibah. Her inclusion just really didn't feel all that fantastic.

[AceOfSpades]

I love Lady M, but she really should never been part of an X-team. She's a conniving b!tch, but thats how I love 'em.

[rZi]

Rachel Grey. I bet she doesn't even have the citizen card.

Yeah, she's the waterdown version of jean much like X23

[frog]

Lady Mastermind is a great villian - I hope she's not dead, but if she isn't I don't think she's going to be sporting an X in the future.

[Ann Nichols]

Mystique and Lady Mastermind.

With the Juggernaut gone, Hepzibah fills the "token non-mutant member" slot.
(Hmmm, one accepted for being the step-brother of the founder, the other for being the step-mother of two X-Men, Cyclops & Havok, and girlfriend of another, Warpath. I smell nepotism.)

[Kage Kisaragi]

I love Lady M, but she really should never been part of an X-team. She's a conniving b!tch, but thats how I love 'em.

the term bitch can be applied to a lot of former x-men or x-men hopefuls like Monet.

[darknessatnoon]

The ladies I wanted disqualified already have been. No more Psylocke, Jubilee or Husk. Thanks editorial.

[valechan]

Stacy X, that tramp should've never even set foot on the mansion. Runner up: Phoenix Force posing as Jean (I just hate that bitch :D)

[ZNOP]

not dead until they show her buried.

Hey, wait a minute. Didn't they bury Jean twice? Burial in the Marvel Universe doesn't count.

Cast my vote for Emma, as well.

[Swashbuckler]

The ladies I wanted disqualified already have been. No more Psylocke, Jubilee or Husk. Thanks editorial.

Husk I can deal with, Psylocke as well, but Jubilee definitely was an X-Man. She made it into the cartoon and in the comics she was always all about the dream of peacful co-exsistence. I still get tears when I think of the issue where she rollerbladed with Professor X and she had to help him back into his wheelchair. You know it rocked. Not to mention she trained with Generation X long enough and then returned to the fold to properly earn her rights as an X-Woman.

[scouse mouse]

I love Lady M, but she really should never been part of an X-team. She's a conniving b!tch, but thats how I love 'em.

Yeah she was/is my favourite X man but she really didn't deserve to be one. Both she and Mystique are disgraces to the X, which makes me love them even more!

[Optic Rage!]

Cast my vote for Emma, as well.

OMG SHOCKER!!

I'm kidding :p

[GoingGreen]

I vote Sage, because her being an X-Man was a total retcon in the first place.

[darknessatnoon]

I vote Sage, because her being an X-Man was a total retcon in the first place.

This statement is false. She was the first X-Man, well before Jean Grey or Polaris. She escaped from a harem and during her teen years was sent to spy on Sebastian Shaw and do Xavier's taxes in high heels and a bustier because she is uber competent and didn't need schooling. She had to grow up at too young an age. Her life has been tragic, and I don't appreciate the negative energy being thrown her way.

[Shade101]

This statement is false. She was the first X-Man, well before Jean Grey or Polaris. She escaped from a harem and during her teen years was sent to spy on Sebastian Shaw and do Xavier's taxes in high heels and a bustier because she is uber competent and didn't need schooling. She had to grow up at too young an age. Her life has been tragic, and I don't appreciate the negative energy being thrown her way.

I love Sage. I also agree. I have no idea why people are hating on her so much, but I think she's a great character. It's totally believable, at least in my opinion, that Xavier recruited her as a spy.

[GoingGreen]

Um, I think it's perfectly VALID for someone to form their own opinion about a character. This is not the "SAGE APPRECIATION THREAD" so if I want to complain about a character (And let's be honest, that was HARDLY my harshest assault on a character) I'm going to damn well do it.

Her being an X-Man WAS a retcon. They just flipped it all around during X-Treme and she was suddenly 'the first' because Claremont had to trump Stan Lee or something. Seriously... don't act as if it's wrong of me to DISLIKE a character.

Seriously.

And what is it with people bringing in Polaris to a debate that has nothing to do with her? I have some problem with a character, and so many of the posters try and flip it around on me and make the argument about Polaris. That's so weak.

[Toadman005]

Emma Frost
Stacy X
Mystique

[darknessatnoon]

Um, I think it's perfectly VALID for someone to form their own opinion about a character. This is not the "SAGE APPRECIATION THREAD" so if I want to complain about a character (And let's be honest, that was HARDLY my harshest assault on a character) I'm going to damn well do it.

Her being an X-Man WAS a retcon. They just flipped it all around during X-Treme and she was suddenly 'the first' because Claremont had to trump Stan Lee or something. Seriously... don't act as if it's wrong of me to DISLIKE a character.

Seriously.

And what is it with people bringing in Polaris to a debate that has nothing to do with her? I have some problem with a character, and so many of the posters try and flip it around on me and make the argument about Polaris. That's so weak.

Every thread should be a Sage Appreciation Thread. I could nominate Polaris for X-Lady disqualification just on the grounds of her behavior at her wedding, but I am not so petty.

[Shade101]

Um, I think it's perfectly VALID for someone to form their own opinion about a character. This is not the "SAGE APPRECIATION THREAD" so if I want to complain about a character (And let's be honest, that was HARDLY my harshest assault on a character) I'm going to damn well do it.

Her being an X-Man WAS a retcon. They just flipped it all around during X-Treme and she was suddenly 'the first' because Claremont had to trump Stan Lee or something. Seriously... don't act as if it's wrong of me to DISLIKE a character.

Seriously.

And what is it with people bringing in Polaris to a debate that has nothing to do with her? I have some problem with a character, and so many of the posters try and flip it around on me and make the argument about Polaris. That's so weak.

I hope you're referring to darknessatnoon because all I said was I liked the character, and don't see why she's being talked about like that.

[kate-pryde]

Obvious answer is obvious.

Emma Frost.

Agreed. She needs to go back to the Hellfire Club where she belongs and stop corrupting her students and Scott.

Emma and villains like Mystique should never have become X-Men. They don't understand what it means.

[Omegastorm]

Emma Frost love her as a villain, X-man not so much.
Stacy X
Mystique and Lady Mastermind all come to mind.

o

[GoingGreen]

darknessatnoon: I really don't CARE if you nominate Polaris. At this point, the only reason you'd do it would be to spite me which is, again, weak. But you know, whatevs. You aren't that "petty" right?

Anyway, no Shade, I wasn't talking about you.

[Swashbuckler]

Agreed. She needs to go back to the Hellfire Club where she belongs and stop corrupting her students and Scott.

Emma and villains like Mystique should never have become X-Men. They don't understand what it means.

Yeah, I still don't think Emma's X-Men material. And she's extra lame in combat. She gets KO'd in nearly every battle like the stupid ho she is.

I also don't think Sage has earned rights to be an X-Woman. She hasn't done much except turn Beast into a cat, solve a murder and recton herself into the X-Men's past. After that she was taken control of by Albion and turned against her teammates, now she's a freaking omniversal schitzo. Hardly the qualities of an X-Woman.

[Swashbuckler]

darknessatnoon: I really don't CARE if you nominate Polaris. At this point, the only reason you'd do it would be to spite me which is, again, weak. But you know, whatevs. You aren't that "petty" right?

Anyway, no Shade, I wasn't talking about you.

Don't take things so personally.

[darknessatnoon]

darknessatnoon: I really don't CARE if you nominate Polaris. At this point, the only reason you'd do it would be to spite me which is, again, weak. But you know, whatevs. You aren't that "petty" right?


I am not. Polaris may remain an X-Man.

After that she was taken control of by Albion and turned against her teammates, now she's a freaking omniversal schitzo. Hardly the qualities of an X-Woman.

Diana Fox malware! Not Sage's fault! Her files were corrupted. Blame CC.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Hey, wait a minute. Didn't they bury Jean twice? Burial in the Marvel Universe doesn't count.

Cast my vote for Emma, as well.

yeah but when one of your monikers is "Phoenix" its generally assumed like the legendary bird your gonna arise from your ashes (burial chamber) at some point. :p

[Shade101]

Yeah, I still don't think Emma's X-Men material. And she's extra lame in combat. She gets KO'd in nearly every battle like the stupid ho she is.

I also don't think Sage has earned rights to be an X-Woman. She hasn't done much except turn Beast into a car, solve a murder and recton herself into the X-Men's past. After that she was taken control of by Albion and turned against her teammates, now she's a freaking omniversal schitzo. Hardly the qualities of an X-Woman.

Wait hold up! Them's fightin' words! I love Emma!

[GoingGreen]

Don't take things so personally.

Well, I have issues with people claiming that what I say is false when it clearly isn't - and then saying they don't appreciate my 'negativity' toward a character. And then, again, turning the argument against a character that I like simply because I was said something that was NOT in reference to the person. It's just shy of a blatent personal attack, and it's stupid.

[metalgorgomon]

The ladies I wanted disqualified already have been. No more Psylocke, Jubilee or Husk. Thanks editorial.

Psylocke is definitely still X-Men material.. She just has to fixed broken realities at the moment.. I do like Sage, but she's running from her own world just because she can't handle Roma's knowledge..

Jubilee's currently dissing the X-Men in New Warrior, so she could disqualified as an X-Woman..

Husk.. where the hell is she??

[GoingGreen]

You know who never deserved to be an X-Woman? Sunpyre.

She just kinda forced herself onto the team. Sure, they needed characters, but how awkward was that conversation? "I'm an X-Man now." "What? How old are you?" "Older than you when you started..."

Anybody else think it was creepy she knew so much about Jean and they'd never met? It's not like Sunfire and Jean were pal-ing it up.

[La Fea]

You know who never deserved to be an X-Woman? Sunpyre.

She just kinda forced herself onto the team. Sure, they needed characters, but how awkward was that conversation? "I'm an X-Man now." "What? How old are you?" "Older than you when you started..."

Anybody else think it was creepy she knew so much about Jean and they'd never met? It's not like Sunfire and Jean were pal-ing it up.

Well now I'm taking offense to this madness!

Sunpyre rocked and paved the way for Emma!

[GoingGreen]

I actually liked Sunpyre. But really, all she did for the team was die... so...

[Swashbuckler]

I actually liked Sunpyre. But really, all she did for the team was die... so...

Yeah, I wouldn't declare any of those interim X-Men actual members, and when she joined X-Corp it seemed like a convient way to get rid of the character. She did suck pretty much and she was more redundant than any other character.

[Michael Sean]

I'm not sure if I understand this topic. Why must we always pit the X-females against each other ... as if its a competition. One always has to be better than the other, or it sometimes seems like you can always have one as your main fav, etc.

Tis' weird!

But I would say some X-women that were odd choices might include Stacy X.

[GoingGreen]

Lol, love the morally opposed/reluctancy to pick.

[Phil Hunn]

Emma Frost.

An out-of-left-field choice for me, I know, but there we are.

[DungeonmasterJim]

Lady Mastermind

Mystique

Sage






- - DM Jim

[John Sage]

Stacy X closely followed by Hepzibah.

Mistakes; both of them.

[darknessatnoon]

Lady Mastermind

Mystique

Sage



ERROR. All three are awesome.

Let's get serious here.

Petra & Sway (they didn't survive one mission); Sunpyre (good call); LIFEGUARD; Marrow (why not just take any mutant out of an insane asylum if you're going to let Marrow on the team); certain associates such as Vange Whedon, Maria D'Acanto and Sharon Frielander.

[pryde15]

Stacy X, Lifeguard, and Sage. There are a bunch more, but those are the 3 that come to mind instantly.

[Monty_Cristo]

i'm going with Sage. what she did to her hair, alone, qualifies her.

[darknessatnoon]

i'm going with Sage. what she did to her hair, alone, qualifies her.

It's the Hellfire Club dress code you're referring to. She and Emma Frost were required to follow in the footsteps of Margaret Thatcher; a woman who ruled by force of hair alone.

[Monty_Cristo]

It's the Hellfire Club dress code you're referring to. She and Emma Frost were required to follow in the footsteps of Margaret Thatcher; a woman who ruled by force of hair alone.

no i'm talking about her going blonde. i think Tessa was a great character before she became Sage. heck i still like her as Sage through most of Extreme X-Men.

[darknessatnoon]

no i'm talking about her going blonde. i think Tessa was a great character before she became Sage. heck i still like her as Sage through most of Extreme X-Men.

Oh, you're talking about her Captain Britain Corps computer virus. Yes, that came out of nowhere. I agree with you. No one can trick me into defending Diana Fox.

[Flight]

That whore: Iceman.

[Callisto]

What? It's very early and I haven't had coffee. You're asking which of the lady x-men are strippers?

no dear, we both know the answer to that question would be ALL OF THEM. infact i wouldn't at all be surprised if cassandra nova while she taking her days off from masquerading as charles worked the pole at club "night glow".

as for an x-tramp who deserves her title stripped from her i say none other then jean grey.... dying repeatedly during missions is not what being an x-woman is all about. she can't even complete one mission anymore without her being killed and coming back COMPLETELY unwanted and UNEEDED years later.

[darknessatnoon]

no dear, we both know the answer to that question would be ALL OF THEM. infact i wouldn't at all be surprised if cassandra nova while she taking her days off from masquerading as charles worked the pole at club "night glow".

That's wonderful. I am going to include that plot point in my mini-series proposal to Marvel, Cassandra Nova: The Post-Fetal Years.

[Swashbuckler]

That's wonderful. I am going to include that plot point in my mini-series proposal to Marvel, Cassandra Nova: The Post-Fetal Years.

In the first issue, when she's still a fetus, you can have her meet the X-Babies. The X-Babies and Fetus Nova!

[darknessatnoon]

In the first issue, when she's still a fetus, you can have her meet the X-Babies. The X-Babies and Fetus Nova!

I don't think so. Even as a fetus, Cassandra Nova had a thousand times more dignity than the X-Babies have ever had. I can't stand the X-Babies! "Oh golly gosh, oh gee!" Dialog like that doesn't win my affections.

Speaking of dignity, I wonder if Cassandra Nova should share an appreciation thread with Sage? I'll have to think about it for a while.

[Callisto]

That's wonderful. I am going to include that plot point in my mini-series proposal to Marvel, Cassandra Nova: The Post-Fetal Years.

LMAO:D :D :D :D

[Phil Hunn]

no dear, we both know the answer to that question would be ALL OF THEM. infact i wouldn't at all be surprised if cassandra nova while she taking her days off from masquerading as charles worked the pole at club "night glow".

Thank you for that horrid image. I shall now go and scrub my mind's eye clean with steel wool.

as for an x-tramp who deserves her title stripped from her i say none other then jean grey.... dying repeatedly during missions is not what being an x-woman is all about. she can't even complete one mission anymore without her being killed and coming back COMPLETELY unwanted and UNEEDED years later.

Sigh. Where did this ridiculous notion that "all Jean ever did was die" come from? Prior to Morrison's run and Phoenix: Endsong she'd done nothing of the sort.

At all. Seriously, look at all her appearances from '86 to 2001. Where are these endless deaths people keep talking about?

Exactly. They're not there. And end-of-issue pseudo-deaths don't count.

[darknessatnoon]

Thank you for that horrid image. I shall now go and scrub my mind's eye clean with steel wool.



Sigh. Where did this ridiculous notion that "all Jean ever did was die" come from? Prior to Morrison's run and Phoenix: Endsong she'd done nothing of the sort.

At all. Seriously, look at all her appearances from '86 to 2001. Where are these endless deaths people keep talking about?

Exactly. They're not there. And end-of-issue pseudo-deaths don't count.

I recall her dying for a couple of minutes on her first mission with the X-Men "Gold" team. She hitched a ride in Emma's brain. I could never understand how she got back into her body afterwards.

[Flameworthy]

You know who never deserved to be an X-Woman? Sunpyre.

She just kinda forced herself onto the team. Sure, they needed characters, but how awkward was that conversation? "I'm an X-Man now." "What? How old are you?" "Older than you when you started..."

Anybody else think it was creepy she knew so much about Jean and they'd never met? It's not like Sunfire and Jean were pal-ing it up.

This post FTW! Sunpyre's creation was a mistake on so many levels.

On another note, I'm gonna go with Rachel Grey. I'd rather see more of that hoe Stacy X than see anymore of Rachel.

[Lacuna]

On another note, I'm gonna go with Rachel Grey. I'd rather see more of that hoe Stacy X than see anymore of Rachel.

WORD. Under Carey's pen, I actually thought Stacy X was moderately interesting. And then came Chuck Austen... /shudder

Rachel Grey needs to take a nosedive back into the space-time continuum whence she came and cease to exist.

[darknessatnoon]

WORD. Under Carey's pen, I actually thought Stacy X was moderately interesting. And then came Chuck Austen... /shudder

Rachel Grey needs to take a nosedive back into the space-time continuum whence she came and cease to exist.

Not Carey. Casey. He created a fun character in her.

[Lacuna]

Not Carey. Casey. He created a fun character in her.

That's what I meant. I'm drunk. Thank ye for the correction.

[Alan2099]

Emma and Sage.
Those two need to gether their capes and corsets back on, their pants back off, and go back to the Hellfire Club where they belong.

[The Black Guardian]

Obvious answer is obvious.

Emma Frost.
Definitely.

[DeniseXfrost]

Yeah, I still don't think Emma's X-Men material. And she's extra lame in combat. She gets KO'd in nearly every battle like the stupid ho she is.
LOL which bottles? And you know the reason why they need to take her out first? It's because she's too freaking powerful.

[jcp011c]

Anyone who is NOT Jean, Polaris, Storm, Rogue, Moonstar, Wolfsbane, Dazzler, Psylocke, Jubilee, Shadowcat, Magma, M, Marrow, Emma Frost or Cecelia Reyes.

That still leaves quite a few to excommunicate.

(add in Mercury, Dust, Surge and Pixie if the New X-Men count, and Blink and Nocturne if the Exiles count.)

[Rachel Grey]

LOL which bottles? And you know the reason why they need to take her out first? It's because she's too freaking powerful.

The whiskey to start off with.

[Lukecage]

Polaris
Dazzler
Jubilee
Marrow
Cecelia Reyes

Go Bye Bye.

[Phil Hunn]

I recall her dying for a couple of minutes on her first mission with the X-Men "Gold" team. She hitched a ride in Emma's brain. I could never understand how she got back into her body afterwards.

It's magic.

LOL which bottles?

The entire cabinet.

And you know the reason why they need to take her out first? It's because she's too freaking powerful.

She was nowhere near this powerful as a bad guy, which makes a mockery of the whole ethos of superhero comics (that the bad guy should be at least a little more powerful than the hero, to preserve the illusion that the good guy might lose). Magneto got a depowering when he started folding towels as the headmaster at Xavier's... yet Emma has had a power boost.

She certainly wasn't described as "the most powerful telepath in the world" - nor was she ever depicted as being powerful enough to punk out Rachel Summers, prevent Chuck the Moron from using his telepathy, and then pwn freakin' Exodus for good measure.

In which universe does this make any kind of sense?

[Divalykeprincess]

It's magic.



The entire cabinet.



She was nowhere near this powerful as a bad guy, which makes a mockery of the whole ethos of superhero comics (that the bad guy should be at least a little more powerful than the hero, to preserve the illusion that the good guy might lose). Magneto got a depowering when he started folding towels as the headmaster at Xavier's... yet Emma has had a power boost.

She certainly wasn't described as "the most powerful telepath in the world" - nor was she ever depicted as being powerful enough to punk out Rachel Summers, prevent Chuck the Moron from using his telepathy, and then pwn freakin' Exodus for good measure.

In which universe does this make any kind of sense?









Sadly, this one. :(

[Lacuna]

Sorry but, in my opinion, Jean Grey (and Rachel too for that matter) is infinitely more boring than Emma Frost ever was. I think Emma Frost was one of the best things to happen to the X-Men. Add me to the list of peeps who'd rather see Madame Frost on an X-roster over Jean Grey and her big bag of Phoenix BS any day of the week.

[Bart Simpson]

Sorry but, in my opinion, Jean Grey (and Rachel too for that matter) is infinitely more boring than Emma Frost ever was. I think Emma Frost was one of the best things to happen to the X-Men. Add me to the list of peeps who'd rather see Madame Frost on an X-roster over Jean Grey and her big bag of Phoenix BS any day of the week.

You just made some enemies B%%%%!:evilangry I don't care for Rachel, but you brought up someone I do care for.


Emma wouldn't be the answer to this question. The thread asks who is NO LONGER fit to be an x-woman.

Emma, the mind raping for fun, horse murdering, pole dancing tool was never fit to be an x-woman in the first place.

[Lacuna]

Emma, the mind raping for fun, horse murdering, pole dancing tool was never fit to be an x-woman in the first place.

I'm sorry! I promise I'm not mean, I was just trying to get your goat. :D

In all seriousness, Jean probably is more of the type of character that personifies Xavier's dream - honesty, integrity, hard work, compassion, etc. Which is part of the reason I find her incessantly boring and part of the reason I loooove Emma. She's heinous and unforgiving and cold and callous and fun. A very nice foil.

But I won't disagree with you - with regards to who is and isn't deserving of being an X-woman, Jean, with her morals and her selflessness, is definitely more deserving ... if you're into that kind of stuff. ;)

[darknessatnoon]

I'm sorry! I promise I'm not mean, I was just trying to get your goat. :D

In all seriousness, Jean probably is more of the type of character that personifies Xavier's dream - honesty, integrity, hard work, compassion, etc. Which is part of the reason I find her boring and part of the reason I loooove Emma. She's heinous and unforgiving and cold and callous and fun. A very nice foil.

But I won't disagree with you - with regards to who is and isn't deserving of being an X-woman, Jean, with her morals and her selflessness, is definitely more deserving ... if you're into that kind of stuff. ;)

Don't let the Jean Grey fans intimidate you.

[Lacuna]

Don't let the Jean Grey fans intimidate you.

I'm sorry... They're so scary though! :confused: :confused: :(

[darknessatnoon]

I'm sorry... They're so scary though! :confused: :confused: :(

You just need to remain firm and keep assuring them that she's in a better place now. Indulging their delusional rage will prevent them from ever completing the natural and healthy cycle of grief which has repeatedly been stunted by sadistic Marvel publicity stunts.

[long live jean grey]

Emma, Mystique, Lady Mastermind

Basically because they're evil and it was out of character for them to join in the first place.

[valechan]

Emma is a Skrull :D

[darknessatnoon]

yet Emma has had a power boost.

She certainly wasn't described as "the most powerful telepath in the world" - nor was she ever depicted as being powerful enough to punk out Rachel Summers, prevent Chuck the Moron from using his telepathy, and then pwn freakin' Exodus for good measure.

In which universe does this make any kind of sense?

Emma isn't more powerful than those other telepaths. She's just bitchier about how she uses her powers. She probably psychically gave Exodus an erection, rendering him unable to concentrate.

[MuhollandDriver]

Emma isn't more powerful than those other telepaths. She's just bitchier about how she uses her powers. She probably psychically gave Exodus and erection, rendering him unable to concentrate.

Huh hah!

If Emma Frost was up against Anole, Northstar, and any other gay superhero...she'd lose.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

You just need to remain firm and keep assuring them that she's in a better place now. Indulging their delusional rage will prevent them from ever completing the natural and healthy cycle of grief which has repeatedly been stunted by sadistic Marvel publicity stunts.

Not all fans are like that. Some want to see the story potential she has be utilized instead of marginalized for extra grief for team full of it.

[Alan2099]

Now if this was Generation X Emma, I wouldn;'t mind her staying around. She was an older woman that hated to admit it, and a person struggling to try to over come her natural instincts and be a hero. She was arogant on the utside, but deep down wasn't sure of herself and tended to be upset whren anybody saw though her act.

As an X-man, Emma went back to her old villinous ways and attitude and we're expect to view her as a hero. Sorry. Now. She's less intresting as cardboard these days.

[darknessatnoon]

Now if this was Generation X Emma, I wouldn;'t mind her staying around. She was an older woman that hated to admit it

She's only 27.

[valechan]

27? whjat's that? her neuron count??? she's at least 35

[The Black Guardian]

27 is the the age of certain parts of her body. :)

[Lacuna]

Emma isn't more powerful than those other telepaths. She's just bitchier about how she uses her powers. She probably psychically gave Exodus an erection, rendering him unable to concentrate.

And that's why I love Emma Frost! :evilsmile

[Slung]

She's only 27.

She's been holding at 27 for the last 11 years.

[Slung]

Don't let the Jean Grey fans intimidate you.

I'm sorry... They're so scary though! :confused: :confused: :(

Jean fans aren't scary. We are fun lovin' and kind.

[The Black Guardian]

Indeed. It's the Emma and Sabretooth fans that I really worry about.

[bfrank]

Anyone who is NOT Jean, Polaris, Storm, Moonstar, Wolfsbane, Psylocke, Shadowcat, Magma,


Fixed it for you.....

[mikekerr3]

She's been holding at 27 for the last 11 years.

How long has Frankin Richards been 8, Or Spider-man under 25,

[Kage Kisaragi]

Huh hah!

If Emma Frost was up against Anole, Northstar, and any other gay superhero...she'd lose.

Technically she'd be able to make them not gay or at least shut down the part of them that finds men attractive like how they suggested that maybe Charles or Jean had something to do with Wolverine giving up Cigars in Ultimate X-men.

[MuhollandDriver]

Technically she'd be able to make them not gay or at least shut down the part of them that finds men attractive like how they suggested that maybe Charles or Jean had something to do with Wolverine giving up Cigars in Ultimate X-men.


Oh freux freux! (Someone sock me for typing that).

Emma and her psionic silicone.

[Alan2099]

She's been holding at 27 for the last 11 years.

Ah, so THAT'S her secondary mutation. ;)

Nah, she was older than 27 in Generation X and most of her time as the White Queen of the Hellfire club. It wasn't until they dumped all over her character and made her an X-man that she miraculously got younger again.

[Phil Hunn]

I'm sorry... They're so scary though! :confused: :confused: :(

As opposed to the scary Emma Frost fans who can't stop telling everybody that the X-Universe is the best it's ever been, just because Emma Frost is currently occupying a spot on the A-List?

As an X-man, Emma went back to her old villainous ways and attitude and we're expect to view her as a hero. Sorry. Now. She's less interesting as cardboard these days.

It's true. Generation X Emma was far more interesting than the wretchedly bitchy and over-exposed hag currently masquerading as her.

Ah, so THAT'S her secondary mutation. ;)

Nah, she was older than 27 in Generation X and most of her time as the White Queen of the Hellfire club. It wasn't until they dumped all over her character and made her an X-man that she miraculously got younger again.

Indeed. While it's not quite as weird as Kitty Pryde celebrating her 18th birthday twice, Emma's absurd de-ageing was at least as noticeable.

[creaky]

As opposed to the scary Emma Frost fans who can't stop telling everybody that the X-Universe is the best it's ever been, just because Emma Frost is currently occupying a spot on the A-List?

There's quite a difference between that and calling other female characters whores because they're not Jean, though.

[Lukecage]

You just made some enemies B%%%%!:evilangry I don't care for Rachel, but you brought up someone I do care for.


Emma wouldn't be the answer to this question. The thread asks who is NO LONGER fit to be an x-woman.

Emma, the mind raping for fun, horse murdering, pole dancing tool was never fit to be an x-woman in the first place.

Channeling the Dark Phoenix I see...

[DeniseXfrost]

Phill Hunn, hating a character is reasonable but dissing a character in every post you made is just ughhhh....never mind.

[Phil Hunn]

Phill Hunn, hating a character is reasonable but dissing a character in every post you made is just ughhhh....never mind.

I'm hardly the only person in the entire world to display that kind of behaviour, you know.

Not excusing myself, mind you, just pointing out that I'm hardly the only one to be exceptionally vociferous or relentless in my dislike of a particular character (and just so you know, this is not the first time I've been accused of this - and often with some decent justification, and weary exasperation. Last time it was Thunderbird III, as I recall. Bad habits die hard...).

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

As opposed to the scary Emma Frost fans who can't stop telling everybody that the X-Universe is the best it's ever been, just because Emma Frost is currently occupying a spot on the A-List?

Well, look at the x-verse's history.

60s and early 70s': classic BAD uber cheese.
Claremont era: Good overall according to most, but didn't age well
90s: Bad overall according to most
Nu-x-Men: Lots of people dig. Amusingly enough, the most critically-panned x-books didn't have Emma as a main protagonist.

You tell me, man.


It's true. Generation X Emma was far more interesting than the wretchedly bitchy and over-exposed hag currently masquerading as her.

To be honest, I don't really mind that incarnation, but it never made any sense to me.

[Phil Hunn]

Nu-x-Men: Lots of people dig. Amusingly enough, the most critically-panned x-books didn't have Emma as a main protagonist.

You tell me, man.

That's a flawed argument at best. Just because a good book happened to involve Emma, doesn't make Emma the entire reason it was good in the first place.

For example, Milligan & Allred's X-Force didn't have Emma as a main protagonist, and that was fantastic. And Milligan's X-Men featured Emma prominently, and that was savaged by fans - although it made me smile a lot, to be honest (Evil Communist super-apes? Sold!).

As for the 90s, I'm constantly annoyed by this blanket declaration that everything published during that decade was bad. There was plenty of good stuff mixed in with the crossover fever (Seagle & Kelly's X-Men, and Lobdell & Bachalo's Generation X, for instance - and I'll go on record here and say that the Clone Saga was better and more inventive than BND. New territory pwns retreading old ground), just as there was plenty of duff material sprinkled through the Kirby/Lee years, and the lengthy Claremont reign. It's always struck me as somewhat unfair to effectively say that all comics sucked from January 1st 1990 to December 31st 1999.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I *DID* type OVERALL.

And it wasn't an argument so much as me poiting out she happens to be an A-lister in an era which is GENERALLY a lot more appreciated than its predecessor.

I'd have to re-read Milligan's run (hungh) but short of that first messy arc, I don't really remember her being more than the ocasionnaly guest-starring token telepath/bitch...

[Michael Sean]

As for the 90s, I'm constantly annoyed by this blanket declaration that everything published during that decade was bad. There was plenty of good stuff mixed in with the crossover fever (Seagle & Kelly's X-Men, and Lobdell & Bachalo's Generation X, for instance - and I'll go on record here and say that the Clone Saga was better and more inventive than BND. New territory pwns retreading old ground), just as there was plenty of duff material sprinkled through the Kirby/Lee years, and the lengthy Claremont reign. It's always struck me as somewhat unfair to effectively say that all comics sucked from January 1st 1990 to December 31st 1999.

I agree that there were some good moments here and there in the 90s. I also enjoyed Seagle and Kelly's run on the Xmen. However looking back now and even that doesnt' seem as good as I thought at the time.

Lobdell, I felt, had some good moments here and there also. Though he will never be one of my favorite writers.

Speaking soley about the X-men they had some rough parts in the early 2000 (Claremont's revolution run).

The 90's were just kinda safe and bland where quality and style were concerned. They were straight up superhero stories that didn't have a lot of substance to them. They had some but they just felt lacking.

[La Fea]

Well, look at the x-verse's history.

60s and early 70s': classic BAD uber cheese.
Claremont era: Good overall according to most, but didn't age well
90s: Bad overall according to most
Nu-x-Men: Lots of people dig. Amusingly enough, the most critically-panned x-books didn't have Emma as a main protagonist.

In the other eras defense, the 'Nu-x-Men' haven't had as much time to age or be reviewed in retrospect quite yet.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7418/warsongisuniversallybadbi7.jpg

Despite the fact that I think she's lost her edge in recent times, I think Emma deserves due credit in helping usher in the new era with a popular, bold, and 'new' female figure in the X-Men. I really don't think a lot of stories would've been as great without her, or someone like her.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

oh, ZING, lol.

Had completely forgotten for five secs about that clusterf**k of a mini.

And I *know* the verdict isn't out yet. Thus why I used the appropriate verb tense and didn't go for an 'overall'.

[Optic Rage!]

You just made some enemies B%%%%!:evilangry I don't care for Rachel, but you brought up someone I do care for.


Emma wouldn't be the answer to this question. The thread asks who is NO LONGER fit to be an x-woman.

Emma, the mind raping for fun, horse murdering, pole dancing tool was never fit to be an x-woman in the first place.

:o

Will it ever end?

[Slung]

:o

Will it ever end?

Would you really want it to? You love ever sin-dripping moment of this board's constant drama. :)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What cracks me up is that mind raping for fun, horse murdering and POLE DANCING are in the same sentence.

One isn't as bad as the others and kinda misses the point of the tolerance motif by MILES, lol.

And yeah, I'd like to see x-ladies give Ems a speech about her clothes. Would turn reeaaal fast into an ugly skin VS camel toe debate.

[Slung]

What cracks me up is that mind raping for fun, horse murdering and POLE DANCING are in the same sentence.

One isn't as bad as the others and kinda misses the point of the tolerance motif by MILES, lol.
Yeah, mind raping isn't that bad. I mean, Jean does it, so it has to be cool, right?

And yeah, I'd like to see x-ladies give Ems a speech about her clothes. Would turn reeaaal fast into an ugly skin VS camel toe debate.

Storm: Emma, we - the other X-Ladies and myself - feel that your clothing attire might be inappropriate for a woman of your position and age.

Emma: This coming from the woman who traipses around nude? Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, have some body lotion. On me.

Storm:...

Rogue: Sugah, what 'Ro is tryin' ta say is that ya might be impressin' the children with not suitable images. I mean...the white leather mini with no underroos while teaching anatomy...

Emma: It was educational. And at least I am always well-groomed.

Rogue:...

Monet: Ms. Frost, the contention, for me at least, is not what you don't wear, but really what you do. I concede that you patronize only the most expensive designers and procure only the most exclusive couture, but your shocking lack of taste and hideous accessorizing is insulting to the senses. It is unfathomable that you manage to spend so much and still look so cheap.

Emma:...

*Everyone stares at each other*

Emma:...Well, you're a dirty tramp

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah, mind raping isn't that bad. I mean, Jean does it, so it has to be cool, right?

Huh.... Didn't I make it a point to somewhat highlight the notion I was referring to with CAPITAL LETTERS...? :confused:


Monet: Ms. Frost, the contention, for me at least, is not what you don't wear, but really what you do. I concede that you patronize only the most expensive designers and procure only the most exclusive couture, but your shocking lack of taste and hideous accessorizing is insulting to the senses. It is unfathomable that you manage to spend so much and still look so cheap.

ROTFLMAO.

Aight, that one was a howler.

[Slung]

Huh.... Didn't I make it a point to somewhat highlight the notion I was referring to with CAPITAL LETTERS...? :confused:
I was being a crazy Jean fan as a joke. Get it? I knew what you meant and I agreed. It was sarcasm. :)

ROTFLMAO.

Aight, that one was a howler.
:D

[La Fea]

Yeah, mind raping isn't that bad. I mean, Jean does it, so it has to be cool, right?



Storm: Emma, we - the other X-Ladies and myself - feel that your clothing attire might be inappropriate for a woman of your position and age.

Emma: This coming from the woman who traipses around nude? Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, have some body lotion. On me.

Storm:...

Rogue: Sugah, what 'Ro is tryin' ta say is that ya might be impressin' the children with not suitable images. I mean...the white leather mini with no underroos while teaching anatomy...

Emma: It was educational. And at least I am always well-groomed.

Rogue:...

Monet: Ms. Frost, the contention, for me at least, is not what you don't wear, but really what you do. I concede that you patronize only the most expensive designers and procure only the most exclusive couture, but your shocking lack of taste and hideous accessorizing is insulting to the senses. It is unfathomable that you manage to spend so much and still look so cheap.

Emma:...

*Everyone stares at each other*

Emma:...Well, you're a dirty tramp

Ah, classic Monet.

Part of me is glad she isn't as wordy anymore, though. ;)

[Slung]

Ah, classic Monet.

Part of me is glad she isn't as wordy anymore, though. ;)

That is the ONLY Monet for me. Monet is frickin' genius, she shouldn't sound like Paris Hilton. And I love PAD's X-Factor. I miss my Monet. :(

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I was being a crazy Jean fan as a joke. Get it? I knew what you meant and I agreed. It was sarcasm. :)

My bad. I blame it on hanging out a bit in the Storm thread. Or reading Bart and ZNop's posts. Whatever.

And about your Monet dialogue, OMG, if Cyke stood right next to the bunch, he'd probably have to bite his lip to not laugh. :D

Monet: See? Even your boyfriend agrees!

Emma: Why, Scott did no such thing you detestable sc.... *whirls around and glares at Scott* You were about to think of it, weren't you?

Scott: Oh, Ems. You know I love you and don't think you look 'cheap'. But the way you keep digging into my mind, surely you know how I really feel about the leggings and shoes?

Emma: *gasps*

Monet: *smirks*

Emma: The leggings? Really? What the bloody hell do you mean 'it has to be some sort of joke I just don't get??'

Scott: ...sorry?

[Disco Jess Minge]

Jean fans aren't scary. We are fun lovin' and kind.

Bwahahahhahahahahahaaha! Oh wait, you were being serious?:confused: ;)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Bwahahahhahahahahahaaha! Oh wait, you were being serious?:confused: ;)

There's a reason why I keep pushing for 'Ro/Jean to hook up. The merging of those two kinds would be insane. :D

[Slung]

Bwahahahhahahahahahaaha! Oh wait, you were being serious?:confused: ;)

Jean fans only come across scary due to our classic dissociative identity disorder. We go from sweet Marvel Girl to protective den-mother to Dark Phoenix in seconds. But really, we, like our girl Jean, are the heart and soul of the X-Board. There are only three sets of fans that actively terrify me: Dazzler fans (mess with Dazzler on this board and you lose your testicles), Magneto fans (errr...one Magneto fan), and BP/Ororo forever fans. Fortunately for my own safety and well-being, I acquiesce to all of these groups due to their superior numbers and/or superior psychotic-ness. :D

I used to be scared of the Emma fans, but realized they were so busy defending from all sides, that they didn't have the man-power to go on the offensive. ;)

[Optic Rage!]

Crazy Jean fans & Crazy Storm fans united???

End.Of.World.

[Slung]

Crazy Jean fans & Crazy Storm fans united???

End.Of.World.

The end already happened. Dazzler and Emma fans have united in one fabulous, homo world order. No other union can top that one. The rest of us are just rebels against the current world order. You could join the resistance, but you'd be a ridiculed pariah. :cool:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I used to be scared of the Emma fans, but realized they were so busy defending from all sides, that they didn't have the man-power to go on the offensive. ;)

Sad but true.

We're still warding off those rather amusing 'OMG, b**ch must've spread her legs for EVERYONE in the MU' attacks and we're still trying to explain that we won't try to defend that glorious horse murdering stunt because it can't f****n be done. Among other things. :eek:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The end already happened. Dazzler and Emma fans have united in one fabulous, homo world order. No other union can top that one. The rest of us are just rebels against the current world order. You could join the resistance, but you'd be a ridiculed pariah. :cool:

I say we crush'em in the name of that big shiny Disco Ball in the sky.

And just for the record, it's more hardcore Dazz fans thinking that Emma is fabulous TOO rather than the opposite.

[Slung]

I say we crush'em in the name of that big shiny Disco Ball in the sky.

Please don't crush us. We have a hard enough life with our heroine currently being Marvel's in-house joke on comic book deaths.

And just for the record, it's more hardcore Dazz fans thinking that Emma is fabulous TOO rather than the opposite.

But with their strong arm support, Emma fans don't have too much to worry about. Dazzler fans rule this board with a firm hand. ;)

[HellFrost]

She certainly wasn't described as "the most powerful telepath in the world" - nor was she ever depicted as being powerful enough to punk out Rachel Summers, prevent Chuck the Moron from using his telepathy, and then pwn freakin' Exodus for good measure.
Yes she has. Here. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5517302&postcount=53)
Thank you to ExodusCloak for the post in the link.
In which universe does this make any kind of sense?

The Marvel Universe.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Please don't crush us. We have a hard enough life we are heroine currently being Marvel's in-house joke on comic book deaths.

Le sigh. Fine. Just cause that latter part made me smirk. :D

[Phil Hunn]

Exodus is an Omega-class mutant.

Emma is not. Therefore, Emma should have been comprehensively crushed when taking him on - especially since he actively feeds off psionic energy. You know, the stuff that telepaths use?

So how, pray tell, could Emma have even got close to overpowering him telepathically? Or blocked Xavier from using his telepathy, for that matter?

And Emma managing to play telepathic quarterback to the X-Men from half a world away during Messiah Complex reeks of idiocy.

No. Those are just three examples of the absurd power-boost that Marvel has given Emma over the last few years.

[Slung]

Exodus is an Omega-class mutant.

Emma is not. Therefore, Emma should have been comprehensively crushed when taking him on - especially since he actively feeds off psionic energy. You know, the stuff that telepaths use?

So how, pray tell, could Emma have even got close to overpowering him telepathically? Or blocked Xavier from using his telepathy, for that matter?

And Emma managing to play telepathic quarterback to the X-Men from half a world away during Messiah Complex reeks of idiocy.

No. Those are just three examples of the absurd power-boost that Marvel has given Emma over the last few years.

Regardless of whether one feels that Emma is or is not one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet (which at this point with Jean and Charles out of the picture - may very well be), Phil has a very good point. In the 80's, she was unable to find Angelica within a few blocks radius because of a nearby basketball game. In GenX, Monet was able to psychically kick Emma out of her mind. The stunts that she has pulled recently have been far too powerful (and will later have to be ignored for her to fit on a team with other characters).

[Mr_Hellfire]

Stacy X. Can't. Stand. Her.

Mystique, too many fake reformations. I hope in "Get Mystique" Wolverine finds there's a super katana for her too and just takes care of her annoying self.

[Novaya Havoc]

I say we crush'em in the name of that big shiny Disco Ball in the sky.


The power of the Divine Disco Heaven calls on me to crush Jean fans!

[HellFrost]

I do agree that his ability to absorb psionic energy makes it seem a little... off but, writers constantly muck with characters to fit the story that they are telling, whether that be to increase or decrease the power level of a characters abilities. It's why there are terms such as retcon. I personally don't believe that Emma has received a boost in power, actually I believe the opposite, but I'm tired of arguing over every little facet of her character. I just don't think it's right to state something unless you have proof. Phil Hunn has repeatedly stated things about Emma Frost simply because of his personal feeling for the character. I respect a person's opinion until they state a ludicrous comment without any facts to back them up. Emma Frost has been stated many times, as I have just shown (Thanks to ExodusCloak once again), as one of the most powerful telepaths on earth, and there are other times I can recall but will not bring up because I am not in possession of the material right now.

Also, keep in mind that M was a big mystery back then and no one really knew what she was capable of yet. Hell! We still don't know what she's capable of.

Since we are on the subject of sexy telepaths... anyone else agree that Lady M's supposed death was a tad unbelievable? Especially since her powers effect all 5 senses?

[jester1436]

Eh, Emma has had powers unlocked by Cassandra Nova and been in touch with the Phoenix, either one could easily be used to explain Emma's increase in ability. Mental powers seem like ones that could potentially grow with use and practice anyway, which could also assist in her increased abilities of late.

[Phil Hunn]

Emma Frost has been stated many times, as I have just shown (Thanks to ExodusCloak once again), as one of the most powerful telepaths on earth, and there are other times I can recall but will not bring up because I am not in possession of the material right now.

Calling Emma one of the most powerful telepaths? That's fine. She's certainly skilled enough to warrant being given some credit in that regard.

Calling her the most powerful and having her arbitrarily beat Exodus? Not fine.

It's like Havok taking out Exodus with one single solitary plasma blast after Exodus had previously been shown to be capable of taking on the Avengers and the X-Men simultaneously, simply because Austen was using him as a self-insertion character.

However, I think this may also have something to do with the fact that writers seem to like using Exodus and his vast power as a measuring stick for certain characters and their respective levels of awesome ("Hey, he/she can beat Exodus! They rule!") than anything else.

Since we are on the subject of sexy telepaths... anyone else agree that Lady M's supposed death was a tad unbelievable? Especially since her powers effect all 5 senses?

Indeed, it was very unbelievable... which leads me to think that all was not as it seems. Hopefully we'll see her back at some point, because she was a very good character - thanks to Mike Carey, anyway. She wasn't all that interesting when she first showed up...

[Michael Sean]

Sad but true.

We're still warding off those rather amusing 'OMG, b**ch must've spread her legs for EVERYONE in the MU' attacks and we're still trying to explain that we won't try to defend that glorious horse murdering stunt because it can't f****n be done. Among other things. :eek:

This might be a dumb question but did Emma really murder a horse? lol

Anywho I really liked how Morrison explained some of Emma's bad behavior (on drugs and drink) :-)

I mean people do a lot of things they regret when they are high.

Trust me in my line of work I know this to be true!

Anyways...

I loved Emma as written by Morrison and I like her by Whedon. I just don't think she's as fun under Whedon as she was under Morrison. She lost something under Joss.

[Mr_Hellfire]

Calling Emma one of the most powerful telepaths? That's fine. She's certainly skilled enough to warrant being given some credit in that regard.

Calling her the most powerful and having her arbitrarily beat Exodus? Not fine.

It's like Havok taking out Exodus with one single solitary plasma blast after Exodus had previously been shown to be capable of taking on the Avengers and the X-Men simultaneously, simply because Austen was using him as a self-insertion character.

However, I think this may also have something to do with the fact that writers seem to like using Exodus and his vast power as a measuring stick for certain characters and their respective levels of awesome ("Hey, he/she can beat Exodus! They rule!") than anything else.

Despite my love for all things Emma, agreed. One X-Man should not have been able to take out Exodus.

The stupidest part I find was when in XX-Men #205, they stretched Emma's powers to take out Sinister, Exodus, an Lady M's powers. And then send a psi-bolt thing at Sinister. Are you joking me? Emma may be able to take Lady M easily, but Sinister or Exodus seem impossible, even if she only focused on one of them.
I don't even think Phoenix-y Jean could've blocked out all three of their powers.

[darknessatnoon]

Despite my love for all things Emma, agreed. One X-Man should not have been able to take out Exodus.

The stupidest part I find was when in XX-Men #205, they stretched Emma's powers to take out Sinister, Exodus, an Lady M's powers. And then send a psi-bolt thing at Sinister. Are you joking me? Emma may be able to take Lady M easily, but Sinister or Exodus seem impossible, even if she only focused on one of them.
I don't even think Phoenix-y Jean could've blocked out all three of their powers.

She gave Exodus a distracting ERECTION telepathically, and then fought him! She is not incredibly powerful. Emma is just ruthless. Think of the time she gave orgasms to all the protesters at the Xavier Institute. Such a move was unthinkable to "the all-powerful Phoenix."

[Optic Rage!]

Exodus is an Omega? were was this confirmed?

As for Emma getting a power boost, well its one of the things comic fans have to deal with and move on, A writer will write a certain persons powers to suit their story, for example Wolverines fluctiating healing factor, or the fact that in one issue Cyclops' full power blast is strong enough to crack onslaughts armor or completly obliterate a sentinal with ease such as in AXM.

And other times its dosent even burn a hair on hulks head or even move Emma in her diamond form..which makes no sense at all.

Its just one of those things you have to deal with and move on, no point in holding a grudge about it.

As for Emma beating Exodus, she held him of, dust beat him.

[darknessatnoon]

As for Emma beating Exodus, she held him of, dust beat him.

Yes, Dust was asphyxiating him during the Emma-induced erection. Classic team-up maneuver; much craftier than a fast-ball special.

[Phil Hunn]

This might be a dumb question but did Emma really murder a horse? lol

Indeed she did, in Firestar's original miniseries - she killed Angelica's pony Butter Rum.

Despite my love for all things Emma, agreed. One X-Man should not have been able to take out Exodus.

The stupidest part I find was when in XX-Men #205, they stretched Emma's powers to take out Sinister, Exodus, an Lady M's powers. And then send a psi-bolt thing at Sinister. Are you joking me? Emma may be able to take Lady M easily, but Sinister or Exodus seem impossible, even if she only focused on one of them.
I don't even think Phoenix-y Jean could've blocked out all three of their powers.

I'm not sure she could, either. Sinister waltzed through non-Phoenix Jean's mind (was this during Inferno? I forget), casually snuffing out memories as he went, so even with the power boost the Phoenix gives her, Jean would be hard-pressed to take him on. And certainly not while she was taking on Exodus and Lady M at the same time.

[Optic Rage!]

Phoenix would destroy Sinister at her full power, It'd not even comparable.

You do realise that as the years have gone on Jean and Emma have become much more skilled in the use of thier powers? Jean is far stronger then in her Inferno days, she used to be the second most powerful telepath in the world, as was always said, now she is the MOST powerful.

Emma is EXTREMLY skilled, she punked Rachel not by using her power, but by her wit and skill.

[Michael Sean]

Indeed she did, in Firestar's original miniseries - she killed Angelica's pony Butter Rum.



I'm not sure she could, either. Sinister waltzed through non-Phoenix Jean's mind (was this during Inferno? I forget), casually snuffing out memories as he went, so even with the power boost the Phoenix gives her, Jean would be hard-pressed to take him on. And certainly not while she was taking on Exodus and Lady M at the same time.

That was in Inferno. Jean had no telepathy at the time. Though eventually she was able to kick Sinister out of her mind.

I'm not getting into the debate about powers but just saying Emma Frost did seemingly get a power boost in recent times.

But like others have said this happens all the time with powers. It's all on the writers and how the specific writer views the power and how they want the characters to use their powers.

[Optic Rage!]

But like others have said this happens all the time with powers. It's all on the writers and how the specific writer views the power and how they want the characters to use their powers.

Exactly, one would think most fans would understand this by now. It comes with the hobby.

[ZNOP]

Exodus is an Omega? were was this confirmed?

That would be in Uncanny X-Men #483

Wikipedia says:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_%28Marvel_Comics%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_%28Marvel_Comics%29)

[Phil Hunn]

That was in Inferno. Jean had no telepathy at the time. Though eventually she was able to kick Sinister out of her mind.

Right, I gotcha.

Exactly, one would think most fans would understand this by now. It comes with the hobby.

Ah, so it's okay to show Wolverine being flayed to a skeleton by an exploding Nitro, and then healing back all of his skin, muscle and hair in about three seconds, then?

After all, it comes with the hobby, so it must be...

[DeniseXfrost]

I'm hardly the only person in the entire world to display that kind of behaviour, you know.

Not excusing myself, mind you, just pointing out that I'm hardly the only one to be exceptionally vociferous or relentless in my dislike of a particular character (and just so you know, this is not the first time I've been accused of this - and often with some decent justification, and weary exasperation. Last time it was Thunderbird III, as I recall. Bad habits die hard...).
Oh well I'm just suprised you're not getting tired at all.
The stupidest part I find was when in XX-Men #205, they stretched Emma's powers to take out Sinister, Exodus, an Lady M's powers. And then send a psi-bolt thing at Sinister. Are you joking me? Emma may be able to take Lady M easily, but Sinister or Exodus seem impossible, even if she only focused on one of them.
I don't even think Phoenix-y Jean could've blocked out all three of their powers.
Emma only held off all of them for like 2 seconds before Nightcrawler teleported Exodus out. Everything happened concurrently and she later got blocked back by Sinister.

[Phil Hunn]

Oh well I'm just suprised you're not getting tired at all.

Well, I have Asperger's Syndrome. Obsession comes with the territory ;)

Anyway, I think you should check out my post in Jean Grey's resurrection thread, with my scenario for said event. It may surprise you.

And if you like, I can PM you the link for my entirely positive, respectful and sweet Scott/Emma Valentine's Day fanfic :)

[Kage Kisaragi]

Exodus is an Omega-class mutant.

Emma is not. Therefore, Emma should have been comprehensively crushed when taking him on - especially since he actively feeds off psionic energy. You know, the stuff that telepaths use?

So how, pray tell, could Emma have even got close to overpowering him telepathically? Or blocked Xavier from using his telepathy, for that matter?

And Emma managing to play telepathic quarterback to the X-Men from half a world away during Messiah Complex reeks of idiocy.

No. Those are just three examples of the absurd power-boost that Marvel has given Emma over the last few years.

Years? All that happen within a year or at least year and a quarter time.

[MuhollandDriver]

Well, I have Asperger's Syndrome. Obsession comes with the territory ;)

Anyway, I think you should check out my post in Jean Grey's resurrection thread, with my scenario for said event. It may surprise you.

And if you like, I can PM you the link for my entirely positive, respectful and sweet Scott/Emma Valentine's Day fanfic :)

I teach students with autism. I have three students with Asperger's Syndrome. They are wonderful kids, and they are doing great in school! Everyone there really appreciates what they bring to the place.

I hope You don't feel embarrassed, but I wanted to shout a few cheers for You. :)

[DeniseXfrost]

Years? All that happen within a year or at least year and a quarter time.
Huh? Have you even known her from the old days at all? I bet you've only started to know her in new xmen.
Anyway, I think you should check out my post in Jean Grey's resurrection thread, with my scenario for said event. It may surprise you.
I'll check that out.
And if you like, I can PM you the link for my entirely positive, respectful and sweet Scott/Emma Valentine's Day fanfic :)
...and why would you write it at the first place? lol

[Phil Hunn]

I teach students with autism. I have three students with Asperger's Syndrome. They are wonderful kids, and they are doing great in school! Everyone there really appreciates what they bring to the place.

I hope You don't feel embarrassed, but I wanted to shout a few cheers for You. :)

Thank you :o


I'll check that out.

What did you think?


...and why would you write it at the first place? lol

I like writing stuff that really challenges me from time to time - my dislike for Scott/Emma, like my deep dislike for Storm & Thunderbird III, led me to try and channel that dislike into something positive. To that end, I've written three T-Bird III fics (admittedly, one of them ended with him getting beaten to a pulp by Vargas, and then being gutted by one of his minions, but only after he managed to charbroil the big guy's lungs), a Storm story, and that Scott/Emma piece.

All of which have been very well received :)

[Kage Kisaragi]

Huh? Have you even known her from the old days at all? I bet you've only started to know her in new xmen.


Everything that he was referencing happened between World War Hulk, Messiah Complex, I said that because I recognized all the events in which he spoke, please do not make assumptions of me. Even if it were true it wouldn't make much difference as I like many others don't feel she was worth knowing past "She's a villain!"

[DeniseXfrost]

What did you think?
I'm thinking your avatar suits you very well :D

PS: May he rests in peace.



I like writing stuff that really challenges me from time to time - my dislike for Scott/Emma, like my deep dislike for Storm & Thunderbird III, led me to try and channel that dislike into something positive. To that end, I've written three T-Bird III fics (admittedly, one of them ended with him getting beaten to a pulp by Vargas, and then being gutted by one of his minions, but only after he managed to charbroil the big guy's lungs), a Storm story, and that Scott/Emma piece.

All of which have been very well received :)
And do you do the opposite? Channelling your liking of a certain character and turing it into sth negative?

[Slung]

This might be a dumb question but did Emma really murder a horse? lol


Yes, she induced Butter Rum, Angelica's horse, to have a heart attack and then manipulated teenaged Angelica into believing it was her own newbie fire powers that caused the death of the beloved pony. This was to brainwash Angelica into trusting Emma explicitly. Her end goal was to break Angelica's spirit and then mold her into a ruthless assassin that Emma could dispatch to take out her rivals in the Hellfire Club.

Anywho I really liked how Morrison explained some of Emma's bad behavior (on drugs and drink) :-)


Emma was never on drugs or drink. I'm pretty positive she said it in jest.

I loved Emma as written by Morrison and I like her by Whedon. I just don't think she's as fun under Whedon as she was under Morrison. She lost something under Joss.

She's less of a Mary Sue under Joss, so I think thats good.

[MuhollandDriver]

Tonight...i found much of Grant Morrisson's New X-Men in collected form at a book store. i sat down and read it.

So far, i have found Emma the most likable in this run.

Despite her obvious flaws, character faults, and huge mistakes...she is ultimately well-intentioned much of the time.

These days, her snide remarks are somewhat less humorous and really without motivation.

By the way...what i read of the Morrisson run was fantastic. He really did move the titles forward.....and gave them a much needed makeover. You really got the sense of each character's humanity and personal relationships. Joss does this too...despite the criticism he gets from some.

[DiamondQueen]

It's magic.



The entire cabinet.



She was nowhere near this powerful as a bad guy, which makes a mockery of the whole ethos of superhero comics (that the bad guy should be at least a little more powerful than the hero, to preserve the illusion that the good guy might lose). Magneto got a depowering when he started folding towels as the headmaster at Xavier's... yet Emma has had a power boost.

She certainly wasn't described as "the most powerful telepath in the world" - nor was she ever depicted as being powerful enough to punk out Rachel Summers, prevent Chuck the Moron from using his telepathy, and then pwn freakin' Exodus for good measure.

In which universe does this make any kind of sense?

Actually Emma was able to take down Xavier while her guards got the X-men on her first appearance...thats pretty powerful if you ask me.

[darknessatnoon]

Tonight...i found much of Grant Morrisson's New X-Men in collected form at a book store. i sat down and read it.

So far, i have found Emma the most likable in this run.

Despite her obvious flaws, character faults, and huge mistakes...she is ultimately well-intentioned much of the time.

These days, her snide remarks are somewhat less humorous and really without motivation.

By the way...what i read of the Morrisson run was fantastic. He really did move the titles forward.....and gave them a much needed makeover. You really got the sense of each character's humanity and personal relationships. Joss does this too...despite the criticism he gets from some.

I'm jealous. You're lucky to read that run for the first time. And yes, Emma's attitude back then was fresh and fun newness among all the X-Men sour-facedness. You also just read Sage's best appearance and the introduction of dandy, evil, psychotic, fetusy Cassandra Nova, as well as No-Girl. I miss that first time surprise that there could be good x-men comics.

[Mitteloss]

I loved Emma as written by Morrison and I like her by Whedon. I just don't think she's as fun under Whedon as she was under Morrison. She lost something under Joss.

Agreed. Whedon is good with characters, his does write Emma very well. But, under Whedon Emma is more cold than she was under Morrison. She does show emotion, but compared to Morrison's Emma, she's alot more subtle when she does display emotion.

Under Morrison, we saw expressing her emotions and feelings to some characters very openly. She was alot more... unstable and dramatic.

[Phil Hunn]

I'm thinking your avatar suits you very well :D

PS: May he rests in peace.

Indeed. I was disgusted to hear that the Westboro Baptist Church were going to picket his funeral because of his role in Brokeback Mountain. Tasteless bastards.

And do you do the opposite? Channelling your liking of a certain character and turing it into sth negative?

Well, the closest I've really come to doing that is turning Psylocke into a military commander, so that she could be the main villain in an alternate universe story called Red America, and its sequel Western Front (where the Soviet Union has conquered the USA). I've made her as brutal, sadistic and vicious as I can - she's a murderer (and the list of her in-story kills includes Jean Grey :evilsmile ), a torturer (of Logan and Sue Richards, amongst others), a manipulator, and generally not a nice person. Fun to write, though :)

By the way...what i read of the Morrisson run was fantastic. He really did move the titles forward.....and gave them a much needed makeover. You really got the sense of each character's humanity and personal relationships. Joss does this too...despite the criticism he gets from some.

Grant did a lot of decent stuff to the status quo in his run, but that's about all I'm really willing to be positive about when it comes to his run. Although his Logan was pretty cool...

[Alan2099]

Emma was never on drugs or drink. I'm pretty positive she said it in jest.
She did drink though. She wasn't an alcoholic or anything (that we know) but she was show on quite a few occasions to have wine and champaign.

[Slung]

She did drink though. She wasn't an alcoholic or anything (that we know) but she was show on quite a few occasions to have wine and champaign.

Obviously she enjoyed her vintage wines, but she was never shown to be "on" alcohol as some kind of emotional crutch or as some kind of dependency. She certainly wasn't "not in control."

[Phil Hunn]

She did drink though. She wasn't an alcoholic or anything (that we know) but she was show on quite a few occasions to have wine and champaign.

Heh. Sage seems more of an alcoholic than Emma. I mean, "downtime" for Tessa apparently means finishing off a bottle of red wine all by herself.

[darknessatnoon]

Heh. Sage seems more of an alcoholic than Emma. I mean, "downtime" for Tessa apparently means finishing off a bottle of red wine all by herself.

I admire a woman who can drink and compute at the same time.

[Phil Hunn]

I like a woman who can drink and compute at the same time.

There should be a law against that. Or at least a limit as to how many calculations you can make at a certain level of intoxication.

[darknessatnoon]

There should be a law against that. Or at least a limit as to how many calculations you can make at a certain level of intoxication.

Stop trying to inhibit Sage's natural sensuality!

[HellFrost]

Indeed Emma was not an alcoholic. I don't like the idea of condoning drugs, but I believe for the sake of the character that she probably has used them. Especially if she so... freely jumped at the chance to try kick. However, I don't think that is the reason why she did those very nasty things. I think that she was in her right mind with the wrong influence. I do, however believe people can change. Not all people, but some people. I think that it's very possible for her to not want to kill people, lose any more students, fight the X-Men who have beaten her every time. Not to say that she only fights with them just so she doesn't have to fight against them. It is especially believable during her Gen X days which were sadly brought to an end due to lower sales and Morrison's want for a bigger school for gifted youngsters. Although I am very grateful to Morrison because he did bring her to the forefront and as an avid Emma Frost fan I think she is an excellent addition to, not just the team, but as a mainstay in the books in general.

Although part of me does want to know if he would have just been better off having her be in a off panel relationship with Bobby. They had/have chemistry. Although I have to say that, while I hated the idea of her having an affair with him, I do love them together now. As unbelievable as they might seem to some fans than it is to others. It also allows for a chance to let Jean come back, without the damned Phoenix Force, and be her own character for a while. And maybe date a hot Avenger. Like Ares.:p He's a taller, hotter Wolverine... and we know she's totally into that.:D

[darknessatnoon]

Heh. Sage seems more of an alcoholic than Emma. I mean, "downtime" for Tessa apparently means finishing off a bottle of red wine all by herself.

Sage likes to drink red wine while chilling either to light jazz or to easy listening music. This is her favorite song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut09zkRoG0g

BOTH VERSIONS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HfHXqzLflY&feature=related

[Phil Hunn]

Sage likes to drink red wine while chilling either to light jazz or to easy listening music. This is her favorite song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut09zkRoG0g

Cool song :)

Indeed Emma was not an alcoholic. I don't like the idea of condoning drugs, but I believe for the sake of the character that she probably has used them.

Yeah. Considering the decadent, sensual nature of the Hellfire Club, it'd be more of a surprise for me to learn that she HADN'T snorted a couple of lines of coke in her time.

Although part of me does want to know if he would have just been better off having her be in a off panel relationship with Bobby. They had/have chemistry.

Agreed. I've written a whole bunch of fanfics with that pairing - and the brief dialogue between the two of them in a David Hine-penned miniseries (I forget which, sadly), where Scott had assembled an "under-the-radar" team of X-Men which included Bobby, was great: Bobby showed off his neat new black togs to Emma, and she said "Hold me back", with one of those wry little smiles she does so often.

Although I have to say that, while I hated the idea of her having an affair with him, I do love them together now. As unbelievable as they might seem to some fans than it is to others. It also allows for a chance to let Jean come back, without the damned Phoenix Force, and be her own character for a while.

Hear, hear. :D

[HellFrost]

Agreed. I've written a whole bunch of fanfics with that pairing - and the brief dialogue between the two of them in a David Hine-penned miniseries (I forget which, sadly), where Scott had assembled an "under-the-radar" team of X-Men which included Bobby, was great: Bobby showed off his neat new black togs to Emma, and she said "Hold me back", with one of those wry little smiles she does so often.
X-Men: Civil War. I loved that exchange myself.:)



Hear, hear. :D

Lol. Jean really has amazing potential and Morrison was really progressing her. And then she died. Again. When we finally get to see Jean be... well, nothing less than AWESOME!

EDIT: I'd also like it noted that I don't actually think she and Ares would or should EVER get together. I was just trying to make a joke that while reading it back.. wasn't very funny I guess. I do love Ares though. For the record. :cool:

[Phil Hunn]

X-Men: Civil War. I loved that exchange myself.:)

It's little things like that which remind why I used to love Emma so much. She's a great character when she's not being turned up to 11 all day, every day.

Although I will admit that when I write her in my fanfics, she can kind of elbow her way to the front of the cast, so I guess I can't criticise the current crop of X-writers for wanting to write her. Strange, but true.

Lol. Jean really has amazing potential and Morrison was really progressing her. And then she died. Again. When we finally get to see Jean be... well, nothing less than AWESOME!

Indeed so. I actually think a spell on the Avengers is long overdue for Jean - if Storm can be on the Fantastic Four, then Jean should at least be an Avenger for a bit.

EDIT: I'd also like it noted that I don't actually think she and Ares would or should EVER get together. I was just trying to make a joke that while reading it back.. wasn't very funny I guess. I do love Ares though. For the record. :cool:

Hey, he's a buff hairy dude. Jean apparently does have a fondness for them, so the joke works :)

[Luck911]

Indeed so. I actually think a spell on the Avengers is long overdue for Jean - if Storm can be on the Fantastic Four, then Jean should at least be an Avenger for a bit.

I have seen people say this before.What would tie Jean to avengers?Storm had black panther that why she was on FF4,For some reason i don't see a logical reason for her to join Avengers over X-men where came back.The only avengers she is really close with is beast and wolverine.I do agree she would make good fit once she joined though.

[Optic Rage!]

Ah, so it's okay to show Wolverine being flayed to a skeleton by an exploding Nitro, and then healing back all of his skin, muscle and hair in about three seconds, then?

After all, it comes with the hobby, so it must be...

I'm sorry, i dont recall saying it was ok? Can you point that out?

In fact, i'm farily sure i made it clear that it sucks, by refrencing Logans healing power?

However, what i did say is that we as comic fans have to deal with it. Its happend many times before, and will happen many times again.

The point i was trying to make was their is no point in getting distraught about it everytime it happens, or repeatedly bringing it up and whining about it. It gets rather tiresome and in the end, nothing will have been achieved.

We just have to accept that, and if you care that much about it your just going to end up stressing your self out all the time.

[Phil Hunn]

We just have to accept that, and if you care that much about it your just going to end up stressing your self out all the time.

I care about it when needless power-boosts are used in place of actual character-development.

Poor Psylocke has had to suffer that for over a decade now, what with writers not having any idea what to do with her except slap another random new power on her and say "There, that'll keep her fresh and interesting!". Now that's tiresome and annoying.

[Saturius]

I found the whole Emma stunt very strange. Especially coming from Carey, He seems to have an extensive knowledge about past continuity. Did he really think Emma was strong enough to block Lady M, Sinister AND Exodus from their mental powers from halfway across the world without Cerebra? Even as I type it it doesn't make any sense. I don't even think Xavier should be able to do that stunt WITH Cerebra.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I found the whole Emma stunt very strange. Especially coming from Carey,

Is it? Everyone's inexplicably an uber badass under Carey.

[creaky]

Yeah. Considering the decadent, sensual nature of the Hellfire Club, it'd be more of a surprise for me to learn that she HADN'T snorted a couple of lines of coke in her time.

I can, on the other hand, see her wanting to keep herself alert so as not to get stabbed in the back in that place.

Is it? Everyone's inexplicably an uber badass under Carey.

That's probably my biggest problem with his writing. The Pixie scene made me cringe.

[Michael Sean]

Emma was never on drugs or drink. I'm pretty positive she said it in jest.



She's less of a Mary Sue under Joss, so I think thats good.

I think it was in the New X-men Annual she also mentions her lost years or something to that affect. I think there were maybe two references to past substance use?

So I think it was in jest but also I think he used the slight references as a way to explain away some of her more hard to explain past behavior.

I think it would add some depth to her if she used. It doesn't mean she would have had a really bad problem or that she was a full blown addict.

[DeniseXfrost]

These days, her snide remarks are somewhat less humorous and really without motivation.
I agree. Failed attempt from the writers except Whedon in his first arc.

[The Black Guardian]

I have seen people say this before. What would tie Jean to avengers? Storm had black panther that why she was on FF4, For some reason i don't see a logical reason for her to join Avengers over X-men where came back. The only avengers she is really close with is beast and wolverine. I do agree she would make good fit once she joined though.
The Avengers really aren't about ties. Whereas the X-Men are a pseudo-family, the Avengers are more like a business. Anyone can apply and be considered for membership (not saying anyone would be approved). Plenty of members of the past didn't have ties when they joined.

But these days, it depends on which team you're talking about. As for the New Avengers, there's Logan (of course), Luke Cage & Danny Rand (she was once Misty Knight's roommate). As for Mighty Avengers, there's Carol (in her Starjammers years interacted with the X-Men many times), and a new friendship could blossom between Jan and Jean (fashion designer+ex-fashion model; I could see them having a lot of fun off the battlefield).

The very fact that she and Scott are no-more is reason enough for her to join the Avengers when/if she returns. The times we've seen Jean since her "death," she's seemed fine with Scott moving on (and living) with Emma. Maybe she returns and doesn't see things Scott's way? Maybe she wants to join the Initiative? Her powers could certainly place her in the big leagues. On the other hand, maybe she's very opposed to the Initiative, but feels uncomfortable with the X-Men, so decides to join the New Avengers, and they could really use the power now.

I'm not saying I see either actually happening, but it could definitely work.

[mikekerr3]

The Avengers really aren't about ties. Whereas the X-Men are a pseudo-family, the Avengers are more like a business. Anyone can apply and be considered for membership (not saying anyone would be approved). Plenty of members of the past didn't have ties when they joined.

But these days, it depends on which team you're talking about. As for the New Avengers, there's Logan (of course), Luke Cage & Danny Rand (she was once Misty Knight's roommate). As for Mighty Avengers, there's Carol (in her Starjammers years interacted with the X-Men many times), and a new friendship could blossom between Jan and Jean (fashion designer+ex-fashion model; I could see them having a lot of fun off the battlefield).

The very fact that she and Scott are no-more is reason enough for her to join the Avengers when/if she returns. The times we've seen Jean since her "death," she's seemed fine with Scott moving on (and living) with Emma. Maybe she returns and doesn't see things Scott's way? Maybe she wants to join the Initiative? Her powers could certainly place her in the big leagues. On the other hand, maybe she's very opposed to the Initiative, but feels uncomfortable with the X-Men, so decides to join the New Avengers, and they could really use the power now.

I'm not saying I see either actually happening, but it could definitely work.

But I could see her having some problems with the Avengers hands off policy to the Governments persecution of mutants.

[Slung]

I think it was in the New X-men Annual she also mentions her lost years or something to that affect. I think there were maybe two references to past substance use?

So I think it was in jest but also I think he used the slight references as a way to explain away some of her more hard to explain past behavior.

I think it would add some depth to her if she used. It doesn't mean she would have had a really bad problem or that she was a full blown addict.

Whats hard to explain? She was evil. Pure evil. She brutally murdered, tortured, brainwashed children into being killers and committed animal cruelty. I'm not sure how all of this can be blamed on a few lines of coke at a key party or her love of red wine after 8:00.

Then her students were massacred, possibly the only people she had any kind of feeling for, and she got all depressed and suicidal. Eventually she realized being evil wasn't really doing her any favors, so she joined Xavier.

[Tobias March]

Shadowcat - send her to the Avengers. They need a conscience more now (not to mention a POV character, a role poor Ms. Pryde seems doomed to be trapped in).

Rachel - they keep bringing her back and then fail to do anything interesting with her...it's frustrating. Keep her in Shi'ar space or give her to CC, who actually does love the character. I think. The Dino stuff confused me, but still...

Amanda Sefton...technically not an X-Man anymore, but I'd like to see something done with her, now that C&C unceremoniously dumped her out of Limbo, in every sense. Marvel needs to invent a Magick team anywhere, that part of the MU is neglected. Say have her, Brother Voodoo, Werewolf by Knight, Satanna or somebody and set them loose.

And if Jean does come back, have her join the FF or something. After all, they're the ones that went out and found her last time. Fecking X-Men didn't even think to drain the lake.

[Slung]

And if Jean does come back, have her join the FF or something. After all, they're the ones that went out and found her last time. Fecking X-Men didn't even think to drain the lake.

Actually, the Avengers found her in the lake. They sent the cocoon ("egg") to Reed to figure out though. I think FF would be a weird place for Jean - she doesn't really have any reason to be there. Now, the Avengers could almost work though.

[worstblogever]

Emma was never on drugs or drink. I'm pretty positive she said it in jest.
.

In the "Riot at Xavier's" arc, didn't Emma claim she tried the drug, Kick, to see what the fuss was about, and say something to indicate she had comparable experiences with controlled substances?

Just checking, I remember something about that, don't have access to my back issues at the moment...

[Teh m0nk3y]

In the "Riot at Xavier's" arc, didn't Emma claim she tried the drug, Kick, to see what the fuss was about, and say something to indicate she had comparable experiences with controlled substances?

Just checking, I remember something about that, don't have access to my back issues at the moment...

That is correct. She had previously tested the drug in an isolated enviroment and then proceeded to describe the effects of Kick to the rest of the faculty.

[DeniseXfrost]

^ LOL yeb Em's hardcore, that's why I love her :)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Whats hard to explain? She was evil. Pure evil. She brutally murdered, tortured, brainwashed children into being killers and committed animal cruelty. I'm not sure how all of this can be blamed on a few lines of coke at a key party or her love of red wine after 8:00.

Then her students were massacred, possibly the only people she had any kind of feeling for, and she got all depressed and suicidal. Eventually she realized being evil wasn't really doing her any favors, so she joined Xavier.

LOL at that first yet of-so-very-true paragraph.

*hugs Slung*

[Slung]

In the "Riot at Xavier's" arc, didn't Emma claim she tried the drug, Kick, to see what the fuss was about, and say something to indicate she had comparable experiences with controlled substances?

Just checking, I remember something about that, don't have access to my back issues at the moment...
I would agree that she has used drugs/alcohol on occasion, but she wasn't "on" the drugs in such a way that would excuse any of her previous actions.

LOL at that first yet of-so-very-true paragraph.

*hugs Slung*

Love you too. :)

[Callisto]

haven't we all used drugs at one point..."purely" in the intrest of science?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I would agree that she has used drugs/alcohol on occasion, but she wasn't "on" the drugs in such a way that would excuse any of her previous actions.

Kitty: You monster!! You killed a horse!! A HORSEY!!! A UNICORN only without the CORN!!! YOU MONSTER!!!

Emma: I was high, actually.

Kitty: ...Well, you're still a monster!!!

[Slung]

Kitty: You monster!! You killed a horse!! A HORSEY!!! A UNICORN only without the CORN!!! YOU MONSTER!!!

Emma: I was high, actually.

Kitty: ...Well, you're still a monster!!!

;)

Smiley face aside (:D), Emma seemed VERY aware of her actions. I mean, she was scheming something fierce to manipulate teenage Angelica into being her hitman...er hitgirl. She used isolation from friends and family, fear of self, mental manipula