Mutant League 02/18/2008 AM Game M: Brian M. & Beast vs. Flâneur & Toboe

[mattbib]

Greeting fight fans! Welcome to today's match!

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And now on to our fight...

In the first corner we have Brian M. & Beast's Qwerty's Angels:
Lady Mastermind, Scrambler, Phoebe Cuckoo, Sage, Empath, Cable, Qwerty

vs

In the other corner is Flâneur & Toboe's Brides of Wakanda:
Meggan, Northstar, Hellion, M, Nocturne


Both participants have submitted strategies:

Please do not post or vote until both strategies have been posted and read.

[mattbib]

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Good morning X-Boards, my name is Irene Merryweather and I’m coming to you from Central Park, New York. Where a giant battle has just taken place between two mutant fractions. Standing next to me is my friend and former…boss Nathan Summers, known as Cable.

Irene: Cable, can you tell us how all this went down?

Cable: Sure thing Irene. Might I say first that you look great? I’ve not seen you since you were last on my staff…at Providence. On my staff at Providence…my council. Sorry.

Well, we teleported into Central Park. We knew we were out gunned. You see the other team had Meggan, who can pretty much do anything she needs to do. She has some pretty nifty moves. They also had a speedster in Northstar; you might have seen him on the Bravo network once or twice, nice guy. These two were immediate threats and we had to deal with them.

Irene: I see, well with two mutants like that against you, how did you guys manage? I mean, you shoulda been done from the start.

Cable: Exactly. We had to act fast. You will recall in the last match we used Sage and Empath to help Phoebe Cuckoo unlock the fragment of the Phoenix Force inside her. It provided an immediate power up. We were able to pull that off with the help of Lady Mastermind who bought us time.

Irene: Phoebe Cuckoo? Phoenix? What…?

Cable: Just be quiet and it’ll make sense soon. We had to take a different approach this time. I threw up a TK shield around Lady Mastermind, Phoebe and Empath, Sage and I ran to the left. I ripped up a piece of land about 10 by 10 feet. I did this to shield myself and Sage from any kind of energy manipulation Meggan would do. I wasn’t sure if she would try and cancel out the TK field with her powers, but I had to try anyway. If she didn’t do it then we were protected, if she did, well Sage and I are protected by the piece of land that I rip up.

Once Sage and I were behind the piece of earth, she kissed me.

Irene: Kissed you? But…that really doesn’t seem like the time or place to make out?

Cable: Yes, well Sage has a weird way of doing things. She has the ability to analyze DNA in mutants and release their full potential. Well that’s what she did. She returned me to the levels I had when I first formed Providence. (Cable and Deadpool #7-11, Burnt Offering).

Irene: I remember that time, you were insanely powerful. You could literally do anything. It took the Silver Surfer to bring you down.

Cable: Exactly, my powers would simply overload any kind of energy manipulation Meggan was wielding. Think of it this way, a dam can block a river right? But if the river gets too full of water it’ll overflow, break the damn. That’s the reasoning for turning my powers back on. This whole process only takes a second or two. So in no time, I was lifting myself into the air and attacking Meggan with my telepathy. She is quite vulnerable to telepathic attack. You’ll remember that the last time I was at this power level I could ease the pain of thousands around the world, I could talk down jumpers on the top of roof tops and bridges, I could read the thoughts of every man, woman and child on this planet. I was the strongest telepath there was, Meggan’s mind was mine. I assaulted her with the full might of my telepathic and telekinetic powers. I also reactivated any shielding on my team that was down.

Irene: Wow, that’s all incredible. I have to ask though, Meggan has empathic abilities, how did you protect your team from that?

Cable: Well we had Empath, he was boosting our confidence and bravery the whole time.

Irene: What about Northstar? How did you defend against him in the beginning?

Cable: Well we had Lady M attempt an illusion on him. You see a while back Lady Mastermind and myself encounted this villain named Pandemic, in order to stop him Regan put his mind in a sort of mental maze. If this didn’t work we would attempt to shoot him with Lady M’s guns. More than likely he would be heading in her direction.

Irene: Where we’re Scrambler and Qwerty?

Cable: We sent Scrambler down the field to try and get a hold of M, Hellion or Meggan herself. Qwerty…she was laying against a tree. We just didn’t have time to link with her during this match.

Irene: Poor doll. What was Phoebe doing?

Cable: Phoebe was attacking Hellion’s mind. We needed her to disrupt him and any telekinetic fields he might create. We figure Meggan’s disrupting energy wouldn’t be around him, so it would be easy to attack him.

Irene: Wow, so at the end of this stage you are completely empowered to your utmost levels, you’ve engaged Meggan with everything you have. Lady M has tricked them into thinking up is down, left is right etc…and Empath is boosting your confidence and bravery?

Cable: Don’t forget we’re spread out. We did this to stretch the limits of Meggan. The only person who is taken down is Northstar.

Irene: So what happened next? We’ll call this part stage two I guess.

Cable: Stage two…eh, I guess.

Well there is really no way Meggan could stretch the limits of my powers. It took the Silver Surfer an across the global battle to make me exhaust myself and that was after months of using them to bring peace to the world. Meggan simply can not generate the power needed. At this point in the match I’ve been smashing her all over Central Park. My telepathy has worked her mind into a some kind of Jello pudding pop that not even Bill Cosby and his finest sweater would want to eat.

Meggan is finished.

Irene: Just like that?

Cable: You seen to have forgotten just how strong and powerful I really can be Irene? But yes, just like that. I assisted Phoebe next in mentally taking down Hellion. That little runt is one hell of a TK, but hey…what can you do against someone with a messiah complex like I got?

Irene: You are so full of yourself.

Cable: *smirks*

Irene so that leaves just M and Nocturne uh?

Cable: Yes. At this point I assumed Nocturne attempted to take over someone on my team. So I scanned the battlefield telepathically to find her. Using my telekinesis and a little help from our buddy Scrambler, we knocked out the person TJ was in.

Irene: What would you have done if Scrambler was the one she possessed?

Cable: Simple, break his neck. When TJ jumped out of his body I’d have put her to sleep. I don’t want you to think I’m a killer Irene, but I’m a soldier first. Scrambler is nothing but a clone. The original long died out. I’d just pay a visit to Sinister after the match to get a new one.

Irene: Your daddy didn’t love you enough did he?

Cable: That’s complicated…

Irene: Ok so that leaves M. You know she can be a real bitch sometimes right? I mean how do you attack a person who is as perfect as Tyra Banks thinks she is?

Cable: Irene, Irene, Irene. You keep forgetting who you’re talking too. I fought the Surfer up and down this planet. Battling him and also telekinetically reconstructing anything we destroyed. I am telepathic/telekinetic perfection.

M is busy running away from where the actual fight is anyway. So I went after her myself. Lady Mastermind dropped the illusion. I turned to M and showed her just what perfection looked like…

Irene: You didn’t drop your pants?

Cable: I’m flattered, but no. I had M locked in my telekinetic embrace and using my telepathic might, I shut down her mind. Not in the way Xavier did to Magneto, but enough force that she won’t be getting up for a long time.

Irene: So that was it? Where did all this damage come from then?

Cable: My fight with Meggan. It’s surprising how much power that little blonde can generate. But she simply couldn’t over power the tidal wave of energy I bring to the table.

Irene: Aren’t you worried about folks saying that you do too much in this strategy and that the rest of your team takes a back seat to your “show”?

Cable: No. See I think they need to look at our body of work; we have played this whole league as a team. Not one person shines two weeks in a row. Plus, we weren’t going up against a full roster, it was only 5 players. The biggest threat was Meggan, once I took her on, the rest of the team could operate almost resistance free. Lady Mastermind in most cases would be enough to take on a whole team by herself, but with the move Sage and I pulled, empowering me, it was the wild card we needed to match Meggan’s power. It wasn’t an easy fight and I surely didn’t under estimate her, but there is simply no force on this planet that can match me when I’m at the top of the power charts…like I am now.

Irene: Well, that was certainly one hell of a recount. I have to ask what’s next. What do you plan on doing next week?

Cable: Well next week we’re going to smash around a bunch of D-List “Who the Hell Is That” type characters. 

Irene: That’s not nice Nathan, they obviously have skill because they made it this far into the league.

Cable: Sorry Irene.

Irene: Anything else you’d like to say Nathan before we sign off?

Cable: Yes, pick up Cable and Deadpool #50 this week. Send the book off on a high note.

[mattbib]

Meggan

Meggan immediately issues an electro-micropulse at our opposition, disrupting all psionic and electronic actions. This means the following people are left without powers: Lady M and her illusory talents; Cable's telekinesis and Phoebe's telepathic powers. As shown in New Warriors #10, we CAN disrupt Empath's powers with this method, but we don't just yet. The electro part of the pulse will serve to provide painful feedback to any telepathic attacks already commenced, and any devices relying on electronics that Cable may have are out.

Meggan also shifts into an incredibly strong and durable (comparable to She-Hulk or Thing) form of Jesus. As shown in the picture below:

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Northstar

Northstar whips across the field at high speeds, being careful to dodge Scrambler and picks up Qwerty (with the tips of his fingers since he doesn't want to get his fab suit dirty) and throws her at Scrambler, probably depowering Qwerty while knocking Scrambler over - he'll also be smeared with Qwerty's poop covered vadge. This should, so far, have taken maybe 0.1 seconds.

He then proceeds to use the vacuum generated by his speed, seen in X-Men Annual 2007, to create a vortex around the enemy team which will rip up grass, soil, twigs, etc. and spin it around them, blinding them, leaving the knocked out Scrambler separated from the rest of the team. He'll also be moving so fast, and in varying patterns, so that he cannot be hit by any weapons Cable may have or any of Scrambler's touchy-feely stuff in case he was still conscious. Also, if any of the enemy tries to exit the vortex, they'll be spun around like the S.H.I.E.L.D agents were in the Annual.

Hellion

Hellion immediately rips two of the enemy - Sage and Empath - toward our team at an incredible rate. As an aside, as Hellion is doing this at a great speed it should have considerable wear and tear on them and disrupt any moves they've got going. He violently stops when they're right up close to Nocturne and Meggan, letting them go. This instant deceleration will cause whiplash, mild abrasions [The Encyclopaedia of Occupational Health and Safety - Aerospace Medicine, Jeanne Mager Stellman, '98] and they will stumble to the ground, disoriented.

Nocturne

Nocturne will jump into Empath's body and exert his powers to the max on Sage, convincing her to transfer any knowledge of spell craft Roma gave her into Meggan and to catalyse Meggan's abilities. As Sage is somewhat dazed by being ripped across the field she should be, for the moment, susceptible to our manipulations, especially when we consider the terrible state she was left in at the end of Die By The Sword. Additionally, we've seen in the X-Man Annual (she is mind wiped my Madelyne), the Albion arc of New Excalibur (she becomes Britania) in New Mutants Volume 1 (possessed by Karma), X-Treme X-Men #9 (she is incapacitated by Lady M) that once incapacitated or distracted, like she is now, she is susceptible to mental woogies. Sage is under our control.

Monet

Monet flies over toward the trees, with the goal of ripping some up and dumping them just outside the vortex. We promise the tree wasn't a minor at the time of the grabbing and pulling. Promise.

Meggan

Meggan also lends her empathic powers to convincing Sage to work her mojo, as she is the most powerful empath in existence Sage shouldn't have a chance. The pulse continues and Meggan is still Jesus.

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Sage

Sage catalyses Meggan's powers, increasing her capacity to metabolise and manipulate energy and emotions to the max. She will also use her telepathy to forward knowledge of omniversal spells to Meggan.

Hellion

Hellion erects a wall - not a bubble - to block any projectiles hitting Meggan, himself, Nocturne/Empath and Sage, such as a stray bullet from Cable's guns, while the Sage mojo is being worked.

Meggan

Once the Sage mojo in finished, Meggan should the maximum abilities expected of any mutant or superhuman who has ever manipulated the electromagnetic spectrum, the elements, shape changing [including the healing factors Morph, Mystique and their ilk possess], detection and healing of others [in Excalibur #17 she resurrects all of Excalibur plus Kymri]. Meggan also possesses powerful spell-casting abilities, derived from her kinship with Baba Yaga [Captain Britain Volume 2 #11] and with the knowledge gained by Sage, she should be among the most powerful sorceresses on the planet. Meggan uses the conjunction of her magic and boosted powers to heal her entire team whenever they get hurt, in the Jesus way, and recovers from any hit that's landed upon her at this time thanks to her new healing factor. The micro-electro pulse continues.

Nocturne

Nocturne jumps out of Empath's body, knocking him out, and jumps into Sage's, doing the same to her.

Hellion

Hellion drops the teke wall and flies closer to the enemy, organising the trees M has dumped into a wall around the vortex.

Northstar

Northstar stops the vortex, which should cause lots of soil and twigs to be dumped on everyone and aims a flash of light toward the enemy, blinding them. He then goes to knock out the blinded enemy (except Scrambler) with his l33t ninja skills.

Monet

M joins Northstar in kicking arse (except for Scrambler) and should have no problem getting to them as the tree wall presents a barrier to their escape.

Hellion

Hellion blasts Scrambler against the tree wall until he's knocked unconscious.

ENEMY ROUND UP:
Sage - out, Lady M - out, Cable - out, Phoebe Cuckoo - out, Empath - out, Scrambler - out AND stained with Qwerty poop, Qwerty - out.

NOTES:
In case Phoebe Cuckoo was able to access her Phoenix powers in any way, Meggan with her upgraded abilities would be able to metabolise that energy and either nullify it or use it to our advantage. [In Excalibur #19, Meggan metabolises the Phoenix energy Rachel pumps through her, Rachel being a full avatar of the phoenix at the time.]

Anything Meggan has trouble with, she boosts with a spell. If we're overcome by the pulse for e.g we can use magic to boost it unnaturally.

Meggan

It's now time for Meggan's move: she uses the focused totality of her Sage endowed Jesus powers when she says 'NO MORE QWERTY!' Erasing Qwerty from existence. She then uses Magneto's ability to use wormholes to hack into CBR, where she metabolises the combined moderator powers of Cronin and bib - 'NO MORE BRIAN M' - banning him from CBR for eternity. She then uses the last bit of her power to declare 'BRIAN IS QWERTY II' turning him into a perfect facsimile of Qwerty, shit-covered vadge included, and inserts him into every future match featuring Brian's team to replace the erased Qwerty.

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[Beast]

Busy with some medical stuff.... but this popped out at me.

Since Nocturne inside of Empath is attempting to use his powers on Sage, she would immediatly reflect back on Empath and Nocturne due to it being psychic based. So that part of the strategy is moot.

[Brian M.]

I don't see Sage and Cable affected by the vortex. Sage still gets off her mouth probing of Cable. With Cable up and running...you can be pretty sure Meggan isn't going anywhere.

Also the I think Lady M would probably stop Northstar in the first place. That mindmaze she put Pandemic in knocked him down immediately. It took almost no time at all to activate it. Since she's not keeping up a steady illusion until Meggan is down the electro-micropulse thingy wouldn't affect her. That move in the last match took a lot of manipulating by Meggan, I don't see her getting that move off before Lady M can attack Northstar.

[Flight]

Does anyone remember when my entire strategy was one line of having Emma Frost take control of the other teams mind and killing them??
LOL~~~~~~~~~
Good times.

I'm so creative.

[Jackob]

i had to go with qwertys angels, because burnt offering cable coulld take meggan. he was doing so much multitasking while he was fighting the surfer that he could take on even super jesus meggan. and the fact that they looked for the phoenix phoebe but got messiah cable instead sold me

[Josef F.]

Well,as great as Qwerty's strategy was.
The pulse kinda. . . Makes him irrelevant.
It'd go before sage Catalyses.
Messiah Cable, for all his talents, can't do much.

I shall refrain,maybe something shall sway me.
:)

[Butters]

Hm.... Good strategies all around, but I think I am going to have to go with Messiah Cable.

[Brian M.]

Well,as great as Qwerty's strategy was.
The pulse kinda. . . Makes him irrelevant.
It'd go before sage Catalyses.
Messiah Cable, for all his talents, can't do much.

I shall refrain,maybe something shall sway me.
:)

But the thing is, that pulse happens and it's done. It's just that, a pulse. She doesn't keep the effect going. The purpose of her doing it was to get Northstar into our team. Well Northstar goes after the wrong people. Sage gets her lips on Cable and it's done.

[Josef F.]

But the thing is, that pulse happens and it's done. It's just that, a pulse. She doesn't keep the effect going. The purpose of her doing it was to get Northstar into our team. Well Northstar goes after the wrong people. Sage gets her lips on Cable and it's done.

Aaaaah.
I thought it was all leech like and disabled for the rest of the fight.
If not, thenI shall happily vote for ye.

P.S. BOTH these teams beat me.
Epic fail.:D

[Brian M.]

Aaaaah.
I thought it was all leech like and disabled for the rest of the fight.
If not, thenI shall happily vote for ye.

P.S. BOTH these teams beat me.
Epic fail.:D

I have issues with the move itself causing any feedback since it's just a pulse. But yea, he calls it an electro-microPULSE. Doesn't say it keeps going. So while it may pulse and stop any IMMEDIATE TK/TP move (debatable) it doesn't stop any FUTURE moves.

[Josef F.]

I have issues with the move itself causing any feedback since it's just a pulse. But yea, he calls it an electro-microPULSE. Doesn't say it keeps going. So while it may false and stop any IMMEDIATE TK/TP move (debatable) it doesn't stop any FUTURE moves.

Fair enough!!
Then I'm in your favour.
I'll let F &T have some input first, before I vote.
Y'know, just cause.:)

[Brian M.]

Fair enough!!
Then I'm in your favour.
I'll let F &T have some input first, before I vote.
Y'know, just cause.:)

Oh it's completely fair. I encourage everyone to wait until Flanny and Toboe come in and talk it out w/ Beast and I.

I also have a problem w/ Hellion doing his TK move...if Meggan sends out a pulse wouldn't it disrupt ANY TK/TP moves in that area? So Hellions move, while it may extend past him, should NEVER make it to our team.

[Toboe]

Meggan's pulse would render Cable's initial actions useless. We mention the pulse keeps going on, it's continuous and keeping the effect going for most of the battle, so no psychic abilities could have been used as long as she wants to. As we've mentioned before, Meggan has full control over the irradiating pulse and she can keep it from affecting her own teammates, e.g. Hellion's TK would be free of the pulse's effect.

Sage is immediatly thrown towards our team by Hellion, so she doesn't get the chance to boost Cable, who would then be affected by Northstar's sudden vortex.

When Lady Mastermind did her illusion trick on Pandemic, he was at her mercy, not running around the field at full speed like Northstar is, so I don't see that working. Besides her powers, psionic in nature, would be nullified by Meggan.

With Phoebe's telepathy being disabled, Hellion can then protect our team with a TK wall so Scrambler could not get any closer, and he'd probably be unconscious and covered with Qwerty's poop.

I believe Empath's powers concentrate at sensing and affecting the emotions of others, and it's helped a big deal by Meggan's empathy as well. Add that to the fact that Sage is worn down and overwhealmed by the violent way she was brought in. We mentioned references where she's been shown to lower her defenses when being disoriented, so she would then be susceptible to our manipulation.

This is how we see it falling out:

Beast and Brian's team separate and scatter while Meggan depowers Lady M, Phoebe Cuckoo, and Cable.
Northstar stalls Scrambler, pwns Qwerty and traps enemy in vortex.
Sage moves from where she has been scattered, to catalyse Cable, both actions are not instant, Hellion opens by removing Sage and Empath. If he fails, Sage is caught in the vortex and her move to boost Cable would fail anyway. Sage boosts Meggan.
Lady M and Phoebe fail in their maneuvers, as does Cable, while Scrambler comes toward our shielded team and is blocked by teke wall.
M makes a crude tree wall outside of the vortex.
Meggan heals any of our team who are presently hurt and Nocturne knocks out Empath and Sage.
Our team gangs up on the remaining enemy, who are within the wall of trees.

[Brian M.]

So your pulse is around my team...yet Hellion still grabs them? I don't see how that's even possible...

If your gonna run with the idea that Meggan's energy is only around my team, then it would disrupt Hellion's TK field once it extends into my team's area.

Also I don't see anywhere in your strategy where you say it keeps going...you've labelled it a Pulse so that's all it should be.

Also I don't see her pulse overriding Cable's TK once we boost him. He's too damn powerful.

[sephirothskiller]

I don't think the "picking up a piece of land" thing would work, particularly because of the vortex. Further, Hellion's grabbing of Sage makes it irrelevent, and since that's the lynchpin of B&B's strategy it all kind of falls apart there. Regardless of how long the pulse lasted for Toboe's team just moves too fast from the get go. In addition, I have doubts as to whether Cable's boost would actually be as dramatic, having personally interpreted his boost as a sort of "beyond maximum power" sort of thing, however this would be of no consequence as the boost would have never taken place.

[Toboe]

So your pulse is around my team...yet Hellion still grabs them? I don't see how that's even possible...

If your gonna run with the idea that Meggan's energy is only around my team, then it would disrupt Hellion's TK field once it extends into my team's area.

Meggan has complete control over the emitting microwaves, she tells the energy when, where and how to get its freak on so it will go only where she tells it to, so she is more than capable of allowing Hellion's TK to go through without releasing her hold on your team.

Also I don't see anywhere in your strategy where you say it keeps going...you've labelled it a Pulse so that's all it should be.

We mention the pulse continues on every Meggan section. Take another look.

Also I don't see her pulse overriding Cable's TK once we boost him. He's too damn powerful.

As Meggan's pulse doesn't affect him, Hellion immediatly grabs Sage and takes her away from Cable before she gets to upgrade him. Cable is attempting to use his TK before he gets the boost so that gives us plenty of time to get to her.

[Brian M.]

Meggan has complete control over the emitting microwaves, she tells the energy when, where and how to get its freak on so it will go only where she tells it to, so she is more than capable of allowing Hellion's TK to go through without releasing her hold on your team.



We mention the pulse continues on every Meggan section. Take another look.



As Meggan's pulse doesn't affect him, Hellion immediatly grabs Sage and takes her away from Cable before she gets to upgrade him. Cable is attempting to use his TK before he gets the boost so that gives us plenty of time to get to her.

I'm sorry, I don't believe that. I don't see how she can weave that percisely around my players and some how still have Hellion grab my players. That logic doesn't fly. I'm calling that bluff. Also Cable can do more than one thing at a time. He can can have Sage affect him as he is trying to shield our team.


I don't think the "picking up a piece of land" thing would work, particularly because of the vortex. Further, Hellion's grabbing of Sage makes it irrelevent, and since that's the lynchpin of B&B's strategy it all kind of falls apart there. Regardless of how long the pulse lasted for Toboe's team just moves too fast from the get go. In addition, I have doubts as to whether Cable's boost would actually be as dramatic, having personally interpreted his boost as a sort of "beyond maximum power" sort of thing, however this would be of no consequence as the boost would have never taken place.

How does the vortex stop Sage from repowering Cable? Becuase they can't see? She doesn't need to see him, just touch him. Also the power up isn't exaggerating anything, read the Burnt Offering, Cable was literally unstoppable until him and the Silver Surfer battled.

[Josef F.]

I'm sorry, I don't believe that. I don't see how she can weave that percisely around my players and some how still have Hellion grab my players. That logic doesn't fly. I'm calling that bluff. Also Cable can do more than one thing at a time. He can can have Sage affect him as he is trying to shield our team.



Meggan could easily do that.
She's linked to the elements if i remember correctly.
They simply do whatever she wants.
She has super-control.
I don't see a problem with it,

[darknessatnoon]

I appreciate the use of Sage by both teams, however I can't imagine Meggan using her powers that precisely. All Cable would have to do is say "boo" to her, or show her a mirror, and she'd fall apart. Meggan is insane. Moreover, she has emotional maturity issues.

[Brian M.]

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5482/cdp10eb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This bottom panel proves Cable is as powerful as we say he was.

Meggan's pulse simply would not be able to block out THAT much power.

[Brian M.]

Meggan could easily do that.
She's linked to the elements if i remember correctly.
They simply do whatever she wants.
She has super-control.
I don't see a problem with it,

So she's blocking out all the TK around my team...yet easily manages to let Hellion grab them? Really? I don't see how she can do that.

[Josef F.]

So she's blocking out all the TK around my team...yet easily manages to let Hellion grab them? Really? I don't see how she can do that.

I invisaged it as a sort of Moses, part the red sea deal.
Everyone else gets wiped with it, but she can keep it out from Hellion?

[Brian M.]

I invisaged it as a sort of Moses, part the red sea deal.
Everyone else gets wiped with it, but she can keep it out from Hellion?

I'm ok with it being around my team, but I seriously don't see how Hellion's TK gets a free pass. I don't see him grabbing Sage and since he's not grabbing Sage, she gets to Cable and gets the smooch in. Cable overpowers this pulse and it's game on for us.

[Toboe]

As CTD already noted, Meggan's ability consists of a psionic link to the forces of nature. She can command the enviornment around her by speaking to the elements, and they do whatever she wants them to.

She would not have any trouble to make an opening for Hellion's TK to go through and rapidly take Sage. The pulse is at her entire control. It does whatever she wishes it to do.

And nobody is denying Cable's power, but the fact is that it is relying on Sage's boosting it to its prime. Without her, he is left with his TK alone for Meggan to nullify.

[Brian M.]

As CTD already noted, Meggan's ability consists of a psionic link to the forces of nature. She can command the enviornment around her by speaking to the elements, and they do whatever she wants them to.

She would not have any trouble to make an opening for Hellion's TK to go through and rapidly take Sage. The pulse is at her entire control. It does whatever she wishes it to do.

And nobody is denying Cable's power, but the fact is that it is relying on Sage's boosting it to its prime. Without her, he is left with his TK alone for Meggan to nullify.

I'm sorry I just don't believe she has that kind of control, it's been said before that she's not exactly stable to begin with. But then again you don't have to convince me you can do the move.

[Flâneur]

Cable: Just be quiet and it’ll make sense soon. We had to take a different approach this time. I threw up a TK shield around Lady Mastermind, Phoebe and Empath, Sage and I ran to the left. I ripped up a piece of land about 10 by 10 feet. I did this to shield myself and Sage from any kind of energy manipulation Meggan would do. I wasn’t sure if she would try and cancel out the TK field with her powers, but I had to try anyway. If she didn’t do it then we were protected, if she did, well Sage and I are protected by the piece of land that I rip up.
1. The shield is removed by the pulse; it undoes psionic energy and that includes telekinesis. So the shield goes down as it's being formed.
2. They can't be protected by any land ripped up, those wave frequencies would just go through it. Physics.
3. The time it takes for Sage to kiss someone is more than the time it takes to think that someone should move really fast.
4. It takes a little but of time and concentration for Sage to do her mojo... it'd come in the middle of the kiss even if Sage has super fast kissing abilities.


Cable: Exactly, my powers would simply overload any kind of energy manipulation Meggan was wielding. Think of it this way, a dam can block a river right? But if the river gets too full of water it’ll overflow, break the damn. That’s the reasoning for turning my powers back on. This whole process only takes a second or two.
1. No. Cable has no messiah powers. Sage is with us.
2. If Cable does ... he's still depowered. It's not a case of damn before the flood, the frequency of the energy is disrupted. More powerful beings than Cable have been depowered like this courtesy of Angelica's waves in New Warriors - how is this any different?
3. Meggan can metabolise psychic energy, being pumped right into her, as displayed when an avatar of the phoenix pumped her power right through her ... Messiah Cable would simply empower any pulse he'd get past ... which he couldn't get past anyway.

Cable: Well we had Lady M attempt an illusion on him. You see a while back Lady Mastermind and myself encounted this villain named Pandemic, in order to stop him Regan put his mind in a sort of mental maze. If this didn’t work we would attempt to shoot him with Lady M’s guns. More than likely he would be heading in her direction.
1. Illusions are out because of pulse.
2. Too slow to shoot us, dude, remember how fast we're going ... you probably can't even see us.

Cable: We sent Scrambler down the field to try and get a hold of M, Hellion or Meggan herself. Qwerty…she was laying against a tree. We just didn’t have time to link with her during this match.
Qwerty is all on top of Scrambler, so he's distracted for a time and we're shielded by Hellion at this point. I don't remember his touch being able to pierce shields?

Cable: Phoebe was attacking Hellion’s mind. We needed her to disrupt him and any telekinetic fields he might create. We figure Meggan’s disrupting energy wouldn’t be around him, so it would be easy to attack him.
This assumes the pulse is not in action ...and the pulse would've hit Cuckoo, disrupting her so the waves don't need to touch us since it would have been disrupted coming out of her. You also don't really deal with the pulse at all, you just try to make yourself powerful as fast as you can. So the Cuckoo's move is out and this doesn't happen.

Cable: Don’t forget we’re spread out. We did this to stretch the limits of Meggan. The only person who is taken down is Northstar.
1. If you're spread out then the kiss can't happen so quickly.
2. Northstar is so fast that this doesn't really make a difference to the vortex.

Well there is really no way Meggan could stretch the limits of my powers. It took the Silver Surfer an across the global battle to make me exhaust myself and that was after months of using them to bring peace to the world. Meggan simply can not generate the power needed. At this point in the match I’ve been smashing her all over Central Park. My telepathy has worked her mind into a some kind of Jello pudding pop that not even Bill Cosby and his finest sweater would want to eat
1. Sage doesn't catalyse him to that degree because we have her
2. If she did it wouldn't have mattered since the pulse would disrupt it since it's not about level versus level of energy ... the psi frequencies are disrupted around your team and that's that. No psi based powers.
3. In the odd event that you do have those boosted powers ... if you try to pump all that psi energy into Meggan then it'll just be gobbled up. If she can handle Phoenix Rachel's energy she can handle Messiah Cable since the Phoenix avatars regularly turn heralds into toast and Cable got thoroughly beaten by one.
Irene: Just like that?

Cable: Yes. At this point I assumed Nocturne attempted to take over someone on my team. So I scanned the battlefield telepathically to find her. Using my telekinesis and a little help from our buddy Scrambler, we knocked out the person TJ was in.
So you smash Scrambler head on into the teke wall? Wouldn't that kind of kill him instantly?


Cable: I’m flattered, but no. I had M locked in my telekinetic embrace and using my telepathic might, I shut down her mind. Not in the way Xavier did to Magneto, but enough force that she won’t be getting up for a long time.
Pulse! Teke and Telepathy depowered! So nein!

[Brian M.]

Flanny, you're late!!!

All of that comes secondary b/c I seriously don't believe that Meggan can tune her mojo that quick around Hellion's grab. I think you cancel out your own move, which gives us that time to get Cable up and running. I also question the speed at which Meggan can create such an effect.

[Flâneur]

I don't see Sage and Cable affected by the vortex. Sage still gets off her mouth probing of Cable. With Cable up and running...you can be pretty sure Meggan isn't going anywhere.
Precisely why are they unaffected?

Also the I think Lady M would probably stop Northstar in the first place. That mindmaze she put Pandemic in knocked him down immediately. It took almost no time at all to activate it. Since she's not keeping up a steady illusion until Meggan is down the electro-micropulse thingy wouldn't affect her. That move in the last match took a lot of manipulating by Meggan, I don't see her getting that move off before Lady M can attack Northstar.
The illusion is broken before it even gets going. So I doubt it.

But the thing is, that pulse happens and it's done. It's just that, a pulse. She doesn't keep the effect going. The purpose of her doing it was to get Northstar into our team. Well Northstar goes after the wrong people. Sage gets her lips on Cable and it's done.
The pulse does keep going and that's mentioned.



I also have a problem w/ Hellion doing his TK move...if Meggan sends out a pulse wouldn't it disrupt ANY TK/TP moves in that area? So Hellions move, while it may extend past him, should NEVER make it to our team.
1. Psi waves come from your brain - they're chanelled into your people and hence it'd disrupt them at the source. Meggan also isn't like the other energy manipulators who would need fine motor control or whatever for this ... she asks the elements and they do. She doesn't even need a full understanding of what she's doing. It's just how her power works.

So your pulse is around my team...yet Hellion still grabs them? I don't see how that's even possible...
It's not going into Hellion though, so it's not a problem.

Also I don't see her pulse overriding Cable's TK once we boost him. He's too damn powerful.
As I mentioned, it's simply physics, not about a 'your energy is more than my energy'. Meggan also has the resources of an entire planet if you wanted to go that route ... so she'd block him long enough by any point of view.

I'm sorry, I don't believe that. I don't see how she can weave that percisely around my players and some how still have Hellion grab my players. That logic doesn't fly. I'm calling that bluff. Also Cable can do more than one thing at a time. He can can have Sage affect him as he is trying to shield our team.
How not? It's the very nature of her powers. Disagreeing without argument doesn't make your point.

How does the vortex stop Sage from repowering Cable? Becuase they can't see? She doesn't need to see him, just touch him. Also the power up isn't exaggerating anything, read the Burnt Offering, Cable was literally unstoppable until him and the Silver Surfer battled.
Hellion removes her ... so it's a moot point but the vortex would be ripping everyone around. So they're obviously not going to be able to just touch each other.
So she's blocking out all the TK around my team...yet easily manages to let Hellion grab them? Really? I don't see how she can do that.
Empathy. She's not Storm, Crystal or Magma ... how powers work on a "I want" basis. She just needs to be all 'elements, depower the bad psychics with microwaves' and they would.

[Flâneur]

Flanny, you're late!!!

All of that comes secondary b/c I seriously don't believe that Meggan can tune her mojo that quick around Hellion's grab. I think you cancel out your own move, which gives us that time to get Cable up and running. I also question the speed at which Meggan can create such an effect.

Sorry! :( Was waiting up for the strats but I had to go too bed since it was past 5am and I can't stay up that late without series consequences, medically.

[Brian M.]

Precisely why are they unaffected?


The illusion is broken before it even gets going. So I doubt it.


The pulse does keep going and that's mentioned.


1. Psi waves come from your brain - they're chanelled into your people and hence it'd disrupt them at the source. Meggan also isn't like the other energy manipulators who would need fine motor control or whatever for this ... she asks the elements and they do. She doesn't even need a full understanding of what she's doing. It's just how her power works.


It's not going into Hellion though, so it's not a problem.


As I mentioned, it's simply physics, not about a 'your energy is more than my energy'. Meggan also has the resources of an entire planet if you wanted to go that route ... so she'd block him long enough by any point of view.


How not? It's the very nature of her powers. Disagreeing without argument doesn't make your point.


Hellion removes her ... so it's a moot point but the vortex would be ripping everyone around. So they're obviously not going to be able to just touch each other.

Empathy. She's not Storm, Crystal or Magma ... how powers work on a "I want" basis. She just needs to be all 'elements, depower the bad psychics with microwaves' and they would.

Tell me again how Microwaves disrupt psychics? Becuase nowhere in comics have I seen that.

[Flâneur]

Tell me again how Microwaves disrupt psychics? Becuase nowhere in comics have I seen that.

It's from New Warriors, in the early issues Angelica confronts Emma and Empath, depowers them instantly, without affecting Justice. Later she confronts Darkling, who with psi-powers dramatically enhanced by all this darkforce crap, was able to possess a whole army of super heroes and she depowered him with a little microwave flash. It's likely those issues of NW are summarised in UXM as well if you want to call us on it. It was fully cited in the previous strategy, check it if you wish.

[Toboe]

Here's the full quote, didn't think we'd have to explain it all over again:

Meggan will manipulate the latent microwaves and electric energy to release a constant pulse which will disrupt all electronics and all psionic energies (including telepathy and telekinesis) emmited by the enemy. It has been shown when Firestar confronted Emma Frost, a world class telepath, that she was able to completely negate her telepathic abilities through generating microwaves [New Warriors #10] and also against the being Darkling, who was capable of possessing an army of superhumans [New Warriors Annual #3]. As microwaves are part of the electromagnetic spectrum and Meggan is capable of manipulating the electromagnetic spectrum, Meggan can control these waves.

[Brian M.]

It's from New Warriors, in the early issues Angelica confronts Emma and Empath, depowers them instantly, without affecting Justice. Later she confronts Darkling, who with psi-powers dramatically enhanced by all this darkforce crap, was able to possess a whole army of super heroes and she depowered him with a little microwave flash. It's likely those issues of NW are summarised in UXM as well if you want to call us on it. It was fully cited in the previous strategy, check it if you wish.

Here's the full quote, didn't think we'd have to explain it all over again:

You're having these waves come into the same area as Hellion's TK. It's not Justice is standing in front of the person it's affecting. This is where my disagreement is, I don't care how much she can control them, they are in the same freaking area as Hellion's TK they are bound to cross. All this is suppose to be happening SOOO fast I just don't see her having that kind of control.

[Flâneur]

You're having these waves come into the same area as Hellion's TK. It's not Justice is standing in front of the person it's affecting. This is where my disagreement is, I don't care how much she can control them, they are in the same freaking area as Hellion's TK they are bound to cross.

Remember where the psi energy is coming from, their brains, we're just disrupting at the source, we also don't depower Sage or Empath, you may have noticed. So even if your objections hold up, we accounted for them in advance.

[Toboe]

You're having these waves come into the same area as Hellion's TK. It's not Justice is standing in front of the person it's affecting. This is where my disagreement is, I don't care how much she can control them, they are in the same freaking area as Hellion's TK they are bound to cross.

No, they're not. How much control Meggan has over them does matter, she can command them at her will, there's is absolutely nothing stopping her from opening a pass through it and let Hellion do his thing.

You're just crabby because Jesus Meggan turned you into Qwerty. :p

[Brian M.]

No, they're not. How much control Meggan has over them does matter, she can command them at her will, there's is absolutely nothing stopping her from opening a pass through it and let Hellion do his thing.

You're just crabby because Jesus Meggan turned you into Qwerty. :p

I'm not crabby at all. I think the move doesn't work, I don't believe that she can do the type of move she's doing and still allow Hellion to do his. I think it's a crap move. Sorry I'm not bowing down and just giving you the match. You say in the match it's a pulse...now it's just beamed directly into my heads?

[Flâneur]

I'm not crabby at all. I think the move doesn't work, I don't believe that she can do the type of move she's doing and still allow Hellion to do his. I think it's a crap move. Sorry I'm not bowing down and just giving you the fucking match. You say in the match it's a pulse...now it's just beamed directly into my heads?
We don't expect you to bow down Brian but I think it's unfair to get pissed and call our strategy crap. I know Meggan is annoying but I don't think we deserve that?

Anyway, I've explained the physics of it to you - it disrupts their person, the waves they're emitting at the source. So it shouldn't trouble us. Beyond that, you have your people separated and we take the two that we don't affect with this pulse ... so how are we interfering with Hellion's teke? You make it easier for us by being spread out and this argument doesn't apply since we don't depower Empath, as is specifically noted in our strategy, nor Sage since she's not using her telepathy.

[Beast]

I've got some real life stuff going down at the moment, so I'd like to apologize for not being my usual chatty self when arguing the strategy or defending my teammate and our own strategy in this case. But off the top of my head, I have never seen Meggan be used in such a manner in any of her appearances that I can recall. It's just a hinkey move in my opinion. Otherwise it's a decent strategy. It's just some prominant holes in the strategy with that move and other that seems to work against you guys.

[Optic Rage!]

I think both teams of shown both their full strategy's as best they can...i guess the only thing you guys can do now is wait for what the forum members think is the best one rather then fighting over if one move is right or not as either side is not going to back down.

**buts out**

[Flâneur]

I've got some real life stuff going down at the moment, so I'd like to apologize for not being my usual chatty self when arguing the strategy or defending my teammate and our own strategy in this case. But off the top of my head, I have never seen Meggan be used in such a manner in any of her appearances that I can recall. It's just a hinkey move in my opinion. Otherwise it's a decent strategy. It's just some prominant holes in the strategy with that move and other that seems to work against you guys.

I sympathise with your view, it's just that ever since Ellis redefined her powers she's had the latitude to do these kinds of things. It's annoying, I know, since she can pull every move out of her arse seemingly. It's annoying to use her as well, simply because there are so many tangential side effects that we've had trouble planning for ... hence such intense research into things, even extending to science journals.

I hope things get better for you. :)

[Toboe]

I've got some real life stuff going down at the moment, so I'd like to apologize for not being my usual chatty self when arguing the strategy or defending my teammate and our own strategy in this case. But off the top of my head, I have never seen Meggan be used in such a manner in any of her appearances that I can recall. It's just a hinkey move in my opinion. Otherwise it's a decent strategy. It's just some prominant holes in the strategy with that move and other that seems to work against you guys.

She might not have been shown to do that move exactly, but she has the potential to do it. It has been shown it can be done: Firestar negated freakin Emma Frost's telepathy generating microwaves. Microwaves are part of the electromagnetic spectrum which Meggan has total command over, it's only natural she'd be ablt to pull that off.

I hope whatever you're going through works out for you.

[Beast]

It's nothing series. Mom just got out of the hospital the other day.

So I haven't even been much use to Brian other than tossing a few strategy ideas.

Maybe it's the fact that I never read Ellis' Excalibur, that's likely why I'm not familiar with it. Heh. :D

[Brian M.]

We don't expect you to bow down Brian but I think it's unfair to get pissed and call our strategy crap. I know Meggan is annoying but I don't think we deserve that?

Anyway, I've explained the physics of it to you - it disrupts their person, the waves they're emitting at the source. So it shouldn't trouble us. Beyond that, you have your people separated and we take the two that we don't affect with this pulse ... so how are we interfering with Hellion's teke? You make it easier for us by being spread out and this argument doesn't apply since we don't depower Empath, as is specifically noted in our strategy, nor Sage since she's not using her telepathy.

I don't want you to think I'm calling your strategy crap, it's brilliant, I've enjoyed reading all of them.

The point of contention for me is that you have this pulse...or wave...not sure what it really is, affecting Sage who is then grabbed by Hellion. I don't believe that his TK would work around Sage b/c of the wave/pulse you have going on. If that's the case I don't see Sage/Cable not being able to pull off their move. If Cable gets his full potential back, I also think he has enough power to counter what she's doing.

Again I don't want you to think I'm disrespecting your strategy, I'm not.

[Flâneur]

It's nothing series. Mom just got out of the hospital the other day.

So I haven't even been much use to Brian other than tossing a few strategy ideas.

Maybe it's the fact that I never read Ellis' Excalibur, that's likely why I'm not familiar with it. Heh. :D

Ah, well I hope your mum gets better.

As for Ellis' Excalibur, you should really try it. It's not as good as it could have been(and some of it is a bit flakey), but there's some really interesting stuff kicking around in there.

[Brian M.]

The other move I question is whether Meggan is more powerful than Lord Cronin...

[Flâneur]

I don't want you to think I'm calling your strategy crap, it's brilliant, I've enjoyed reading all of them.

The point of contention for me is that you have this pulse...or wave...not sure what it really is, affecting Sage who is then grabbed by Hellion. I don't believe that his TK would work around Sage b/c of the wave/pulse you have going on. If that's the case I don't see Sage/Cable not being able to pull off their move. If Cable gets his full potential back, I also think he has enough power to counter what she's doing.

Again I don't want you to think I'm disrespecting your strategy, I'm not.

Thank you. It's been a pleasure reading yours.

The thing is, Sage isn't generating any psi-energy so no micro-energy is doing anything to her. You also say that you begin with your people spread out, so any perceived 'cross fire' or what have you simply doesn't occur according to the logic of the argument you've set up.

It also doesn't work that way, as I've explained previously, it simply doesn't effect those for whom it is not intended. I know it is really annoying and in some ways it is really cheap but that's the way it is.

I've also tried to point out how Cable's power level just doesn't matter ... Meggan has metabolised Phoenix energy, the infinite, and transformed it into useful energy for her use. Cable honestly is not a problem, we've accounted for these things in advance.

[Flâneur]

The other move I question is whether Meggan is more powerful than Lord Cronin...

She takes bib out first, so as to gain power, then she tackles Cronin. There is no way Cronin can escape Jesus Meggan!

[Beast]

Well, power level can matter. After all, some of the more powerful mutants even are quasi-immune to power negation powers or devices. I could see Cable's powers being so far off the charts that Meggan couldn't cancel them out. But then, we've also seen the Black Panther put the Silver Surfer in an armbar. ;)

[Brian M.]

Thank you. It's been a pleasure reading yours.

The thing is, Sage isn't generating any psi-energy so no micro-energy is doing anything to her. You also say that you begin with your people spread out, so any perceived 'cross fire' or what have you simply doesn't occur according to the logic of the argument you've set up.

It also doesn't work that way, as I've explained previously, it simply doesn't effect those for whom it is not intended. I know it is really annoying and in some ways it is really cheap but that's the way it is.

I've also tried to point out how Cable's power level just doesn't matter ... Meggan has metabolised Phoenix energy, the infinite, and transformed it into useful energy for her use. Cable honestly is not a problem, we've accounted for these things in advance.

I'm focusing on the Sage part of this strategy b/c she's essential to what we're doing. So lemme get this straight, this power, this pulse/wave energy Meggan does just appears around our players...it's not projected outward from her? There is no crossfire or potential crossfire with Hellion? That's the part I just don't agree with. The summaries on UXM.net aren't specific enough to convince me it just appears around her.

See I think this Burnt Offering Cable is more powerful than the Phoenix Meggan has encountered, I mean he took on the power cosmic which, according Jack 'King" Kirby is tops when it comes to power in the MU. He took on the Power Cosmic and fought it almost to a stand still.

[Brian M.]

She takes bib out first, so as to gain power, then she tackles Cronin. There is no way Cronin can escape Jesus Meggan!

Your also wrong that I wouldn't be happy to live my life like Qwerty. She is a goddess and I would be honored to live in a sewer covered in shit.

[Flâneur]

Well, power level can matter. After all, some of the more powerful mutants even are quasi-immune to power negation powers or devices. I could see Cable's powers being so far off the charts that Meggan couldn't cancel them out. But then, we've also seen the Black Panther put the Silver Surfer in an armbar. ;)

It depends on the method too; Pulse's disruption is different for example, as it effects their mutagenic field (I think?) so naturally a powerful mutant would be affected differently than a low level. However this is different, Cable's power levels simply don't apply here and if they do, we're ready for it. As pointed out. Cable also shouldn't have reached this level because of the opening volley.

And you're questioning the Black Panther in front of his Brides? HISSSS!! Don't make me make Meggan turn you into Qwerty III!

[Flâneur]

I'm focusing on the Sage part of this strategy b/c she's essential to what we're doing. So lemme get this straight, this power, this pulse/wave energy Meggan does just appears around our players...it's not projected outward from her? There is no crossfire or potential crossfire with Hellion? That's the part I just don't agree with. The summaries on UXM.net aren't specific enough to convince me it just appears around her.

See I think this Burnt Offering Cable is more powerful than the Phoenix Meggan has encountered, I mean he took on the power cosmic which, according Jack 'King" Kirby is tops when it comes to power in the MU. He took on the Power Cosmic and fought it almost to a stand still.

The Phoenix Meggan encountered was Rachel as the full avatar - the one that could fight Galactus head on and toss away his heralds like they were nothing. Whereas Cable got beaten by one of these heralds, despite his far superior training and skill compared to Phoenix. So his power level is undeniably far lower than hers, so Meggan has no problem dealing with this energy.

Well the wave/pulse would be hitting your players where the energy originates ... the psi-waves emitted from the brain. Meggan has both the sensory and manipulative abilities to just do that without depowering us and also ... you clearly state in your own strategy that they're spread out and we say that we don't depower Empath. So the energy can't possibly get in our way, even by the argument you're composing.

[Brian M.]

The Phoenix Meggan encountered was Rachel as the full avatar - the one that could fight Galactus head on and toss away his heralds like they were nothing. Whereas Cable got beaten by one of these heralds, despite his far superior training and skill compared to Phoenix. So his power level is undeniably far lower than hers, so Meggan has no problem dealing with this energy.

Well the wave/pulse would be hitting your players where the energy originates ... the psi-waves emitted from the brain. Meggan has both the sensory and manipulative abilities to just do that without depowering us and also ... you clearly state in your own strategy that they're spread out and we say that we don't depower Empath. So the energy can't possibly get in our way, even by the argument you're composing.

I don't think it's a composing, b/c I don't see in the issues provided where it says it originates in their head.

[Flâneur]

I don't think it's a composing, b/c I don't see in the issues provided where it says it originates in their head.

Every act of creation is composing - built, made, written etc. that's just how I've referred to your argument. I'm not trying to imply you're making things up or anything like that.

How do you see the pulse being applied? If it targets the psi's, who are emitting the energy, then it's disrupting the energy transmission ... which occurs via the brain. Also, as I said ... it's non-issue since you have your team mates spread out, which should eliminate the cross fire element.

[Brian M.]

Every act of creation is composing - built, made, written etc. that's just how I've referred to your argument. I'm not trying to imply you're making things up or anything like that.

How do you see the pulse being applied? If it targets the psi's, who are emitting the energy, then it's disrupting the energy transmission ... which occurs via the brain. Also, as I said ... it's non-issue since you have your team mates spread out, which should eliminate the cross fire element.

See I think the cross-fire happens when Hellion goes for Sage. That's the only place I see it happening. Let it happen to the others, that's fine. The way I imagine this thing wave/pulse being applied is sorta like a blast, it has to travel from outward, cross the space between and then interact with the players in order to cancel it out. Meggan can weave it, I just don't think she can precisely weave it around Hellion's blunt TK.

[Toboe]

I'm focusing on the Sage part of this strategy b/c she's essential to what we're doing. So lemme get this straight, this power, this pulse/wave energy Meggan does just appears around our players...it's not projected outward from her? There is no crossfire or potential crossfire with Hellion? That's the part I just don't agree with. The summaries on UXM.net aren't specific enough to convince me it just appears around her.

Meggan can command the environment, so the waves wouldn't necessarily project outwards from her, she just tells the ones she need what she wants them to do. And as your team is spread it wouldn't be that contained, so that's why there is no way they would intersect with Hellion's use of his abilities, she's controlling them at her will with a thought.

[Brian M.]

Meggan can command the environment, so the waves wouldn't necessarily project outwards from her, she just tells the ones she need what she wants them to do. And as your team is spread it wouldn't be that contained, so that's why there is no way they would intersect with Hellion's use of his abilities, she's controlling them at her will with a thought.

I'm not saying it stops Hellion from projecting his TK, I'm saying it prevents his TK from grabbing Sage, since she's being wrapped up in this wave/pulse.

[Toboe]

I'm not saying it stops Hellion from projecting his TK, I'm saying it prevents his TK from grabbing Sage, since she's being wrapped up in this wave/pulse.

We don't mention Sage being affected by it in our strategy, and you didn't have her use her telepathy so there's no reason why it should be affecting her and preventing Hellion from getting to her.

Even if it was, Meggan controls it. She can release her hold in the space Hellion needs to do his thing.

[Flâneur]

See I think the cross-fire happens when Hellion goes for Sage. That's the only place I see it happening. Let it happen to the others, that's fine. The way I imagine this thing wave/pulse being applied is sorta like a blast, it has to travel from outward, cross the space between and then interact with the players in order to cancel it out. Meggan can weave it, I just don't think she can precisely weave it around Hellion's blunt TK.

Ah, this might be where some of the confusion comes from - it doesn't function like a blast in the way I think you're thinking, there is ambient microwave energy everywhere ... so it doesn't need to travel from us to you. It can just start where you are. So while she's using the same energy Firestar is, it doesn't need to work with the same constraints. So it goes from you to you, in essence. Does that make sense?

I also don't see it happening with Sage since you place them spread out at the very beginning ... Sage is running to kiss Cable, but she's not right on top of him. So any cross fire elements you try to discuss is a non-issue. You've made us consider what would happen if our target was hit by the microwaves and we think that if Sage was being directly affected then you may have some basis for your argument but she's not ... She's not generating any psi energy so there is no possible cross fire effect.

[Brian M.]

Ah, this might be where some of the confusion comes from - it doesn't function like a blast in the way I think you're thinking, there is ambient microwave energy everywhere ... so it doesn't need to travel from us to you. It can just start where you are. So while she's using the same energy Firestar is, it doesn't need to work with the same constraints. So it goes from you to you, in essence. Does that make sense?

I also don't see it happening with Sage since you place them spread out at the very beginning ... Sage is running to kiss Cable, but she's not right on top of him. So any cross fire elements you try to discuss is a non-issue. You've made us consider what would happen if our target was hit by the microwaves and we think that if Sage was being directly affected then you may have some basis for your argument but she's not ... She's not generating any psi energy so there is no possible cross fire effect.

So then still, if this energy is around her would it not still cancel out the TK energy Hellion is sending out, since telekinesis is an extension of the mind?

I also think that's where I mess up in how I wrote my strat, I didn't make it clear enough that Cable and Sage are right next to each other. We have them move a little bit but she isn't like running across the park to get him.

[Flâneur]

So then still, if this energy is around her would it not still cancel out the TK energy Hellion is sending out, since telekinesis is an extension of the mind?

I also think that's where I mess up in how I wrote my strat, I didn't make it clear enough that Cable and Sage are right next to each other. We have them move a little bit but she isn't like running across the park to get him.

How is it around Sage though?

[Brian M.]

How is it around Sage though?

Because you said the energy is from the ambient microwave energy that is everywhere on this planet...so I assume it envelopes Sage in a field that nullifies any attempt by Cable or anyone else to do anything TP/TK.

I gotta step away from the match for a bit, maybe I'm just not understanding how your intending this move to work, the details to me seem a bit contradictory, but I'll let the voters decide.

[Flâneur]

Because you said the energy is from the ambient microwave energy that is everywhere on this planet...so I assume it envelopes Sage in a field that nullifies any attempt by Cable or anyone else to do anything TP/TK.

It's sourced from the energy all around us, so it doesn't need to traverse the distance to get to your team but we've never said we created a large microwave field that envelopes the length and breadth of the ground your team covers. We even list, specifically, who we're targeting with this microwave thing and with the way psionic powers work, it affects the transmission of psi waves at the brain, by necessity, so it can't exactly leak out in any appreciable way. Sage is, by your admission though not by your intention, not close to Cable nor is she being targeted so I simply don't see how there could possibly be a cross-fire effect.

I'd also like bib and Cronin to weigh in on something - do you think Meggan could take either of you in an e-fight?

EDIT: BTW, this is how I see it falling out:

*Brian's team separate and scatter while Meggan depowers Lady M, Phoebe Cuckoo, Cable
*Northstar stalls Scrambler, pwns Qwerty and traps enemy in vortex.
*Sage moves from where she has been scattered, to catalyse Cable, both actions are not instant, Hellion opens by removing Sage and Empath. If he fails, Sage is caught in the vortex and her move to boost Cable would fail anyway.
*Sage boosts Meggan.
*Lady M and Phoebe fail in their maneuvers, as does Cable, while Scrambler comes toward our shielded team and is blocked by teke wall.
*M makes a crude tree wall outside of the vortex.
*Meggan heals any of our team who are presently hurt and Nocturne knocks out Empath and Sage.
*Our team gangs up on the remaining enemy, who are within the wall of trees.

[Jessica Drew]

If Meggan's pulse works like F&T are describing it does, then the battle is theirs.

I think it does.

[Flâneur]

I'm so wishing we had made a monsoon out of Qwerty's 70 years worth of accumulated poop. *regrets*

[d newton]

And Nocturne knocks out Empath and Sage.
Wouldn't Empath manage to repel her if she tried that move? - assuming that he isn't grabbed by Hellion at high speed (which he can't do - unlike Surge!).

As shown in New Warriors #10, we CAN disrupt Empath's powers with this method, but we don't just yet.
Can Empath use his power to send Scrambler over to the enemy team before Northstar's move or not? ;)

[Flâneur]

Wouldn't Empath manage to repel her if she tried that move? - assuming that he isn't grabbed by Hellion at high speed (which he can't do - unlike Surge!).


Can Empath use his power to send Scrambler over to the enemy team before Northstar's move or not? ;)

Empath doesn't have the ability to repel Nocturne - Nocturne can take down people like Hyperion for instance, so she has no problem with Empath.

Hellion can also use his teke to grab Sage and Empath and bring 'em over at high speeds, especially since Emma unlocked his powers and he's been able to break the sound barrier (which makes him able to move things at speeds faster than the black bird ever could). Empath also can't exactly send people anywhere, he tells people to feel and thus coerces them into doing things, so no he can't send Scrambler to use before Northstar's attack.

[Flâneur]

Just was doing some research - in New Warriors V1 #4 - microwave pulses are used by Firestar to scramble some individual circuits in a computer while deliberately not disrupting others. This demonstrates that microwaves don't have the leakage problem Brian describes, so the effect area of Meggan's pulse is very closely defined and won't disrupt us grabbing Sage, even if she is on top of Cable. Which Sage most certainly isn't, since the enemy team is all scattered. So there is no possible way, at all, that we don't get Sage and Empath.

Oh and here are some feats in case people don't believe Meggan is up to snuff for this match:

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainbritain198586cbvbc4.jpg The authorities believe Meggan is as dangerous as Jaspers.

http://img319.imageshack.us/my.php?image=excalibur097p05yl6.jpg Meggan states she can manipulate the magnetic field within a person and is featured showing her perspective that she's just 'asking' the electro-magnetic field to do it, as opposed to thinking of it as a difficult weave or knit of forces. Meaning she doesn't require full concentration or effort to do it.

Oh and in Excalibur 37 she wields power equal to that of the power cosmic as she fights a demon of Dr. Doom's

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9453/powercosmicae51ak2.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2690/powercosmicae52lz5.jpg

If she can wield power equivalent to the power cosmic on a whim, and use it to affect the biology of a demon on a molecular scale, how can she have a problem doing the things we say she can?

She also metabolises the Phoenix force against Rachel's will here:
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=exc15p13vk1.jpg

She can easily do the same to Cable, which we note in our strat, on the very odd chance he somehow goes all Messiah.

[Flâneur]

I'm starting to think Meggan might be more than a tad 00ber ... then again Brian used Sentry in Avengers League so I suppose it's ok.

[Brian M.]

I would disagree with you that the move with Sage isn't instant. When she restarted both Gambit, Rogue and Lifeguard it happened pretty quickly. The only reason Beast didn't transform right away is that she channeled the energy into his healing factor first.

[Flâneur]

I would disagree with you that the move with Sage isn't instant. When she restarted both Gambit, Rogue and Lifeguard it happened pretty quickly. The only reason Beast didn't transform right away is that she channeled the energy into his healing factor first.

It wasn't instant with Slipstream either and the catalysis to make Rogue definitely wasn't instant. Sage explains this being due to her needing to catalogue someone's genome - when she jump starts Slipstream she releases a bolt of energy, looks at him, chats a little bit about his genome and then he's activated. She also doesn't restart Lifeguard, in the Lady M encounter she just uses her telepathy to pull Lifeguard into the illusion with her and later during invasion she offers to catalyse Lifeguard, who refuses and she then does Rogue instead. She also needed Elixer's help to fix Gambit's powers after the blindness after the Austen run. It's quite clearly not a simple and instant process.

I can provide scans if you wish?

[Brian M.]

It wasn't instant with Slipstream either and the catalysis to make Rogue definitely wasn't instant. Sage explains this being due to her needing to catalogue someone's genome - when she jump starts Slipstream she releases a bolt of energy, looks at him, chats a little bit about his genome and then he's activated. She also doesn't restart Lifeguard, in the Lady M encounter she just uses her telepathy to pull Lifeguard into the illusion with her and later during invasion she offers to catalyse Lifeguard, who refuses and she then does Rogue instead. She also needed Elixer's help to fix Gambit's powers after the blindness after the Austen run. It's quite clearly not a simple and instant process.

I can provide scans if you wish?

When she fixed Gambit all she did was kiss him and he had site. I didn't see Elixir anywhere in there.

We account for the time it might take, but when going back and rereading it didn't seem like much time would be needed to do to Cable what we we're doing. It seemed a simpler process than what we did w/ Phoebe.

[Flâneur]

When she fixed Gambit all she did was kiss him and he had site. I didn't see Elixir anywhere in there.

We account for the time it might take, but when going back and rereading it didn't seem like much time would be needed to do to Cable what we we're doing. It seemed a simpler process than what we did w/ Phoebe.

Two different occasions - the first time in XXM she jump started Gambit she needed to use her telepathy (the Rogue illusion) and get in very close and uninterrupted contact with Gambit. The second time was after Austen's run, when he'd made Gambit blind and was planning to make him into a precog, CC later had Sage and Elixer work together to fix Gambit's sight and make his powers work properly again.

[Brian M.]

*scratches head in frustration*

Meggan is frustrating. That's really all I got. I've tried to poke holes, put up a good defense of our strategy, but I've not read the issues Meggan is and wikipedia and uncannyxmen.net don't really give detailed looks at what she can do.

I still think Messiah Cable tops pretty much anyone...even Lord Cronin.

[Flâneur]

http://img126.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=70832_X-Treme_X-Men_46_2136_122_786lo.jpg
Sage after jump starting Gambit, states she needed the illusion and pretense to trigger it since they were pressed for time.

http://img143.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=60756_Page_19_122_1111lo.jpg
Sage jump starting Beast, it takes days to properly take affect.

http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=62355_Page_13_122_1094lo.jpg
Sage requires full analysis and catalogue of dna before jump starting a mutant power.

The above panels, taken together, demonstrate that ordinarily a restart takes some time, which even away from a battle field in a villla, they don't have with Gambit. So we would assume that the way it worked with Beast was the standard. It was never the kiss that jump started Gambit, it was the close uninterrupted contact combined with an adrenaline rush. Sage doesn't get that luxury with Cable.

[Jackob]

http://img126.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=70832_X-Treme_X-Men_46_2136_122_786lo.jpg
Sage after jump starting Gambit, states she needed the illusion and pretense to trigger it since they were pressed for time.

http://img143.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=60756_Page_19_122_1111lo.jpg
Sage jump starting Beast, it takes days to properly take affect.

http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=62355_Page_13_122_1094lo.jpg
Sage requires full analysis and catalogue of dna before jump starting a mutant power.

The above panels, taken together, demonstrate that ordinarily a restart takes some time, which even away from a battle field in a villla, they don't have with Gambit. So we would assume that the way it worked with Beast was the standard. It was never the kiss that jump started Gambit, it was the close uninterrupted contact combined with an adrenaline rush. Sage doesn't get that luxury with Cable.

shouldnt the battle at hand give cable the necessary adreniline rush? and it looks like it works fairly fast in all but beast.

[Flâneur]

*scratches head in frustration*

Meggan is frustrating. That's really all I got. I've tried to poke holes, put up a good defense of our strategy, but I've not read the issues Meggan is and wikipedia and uncannyxmen.net don't really give detailed looks at what she can do.

I still think Messiah Cable tops pretty much anyone...even Lord Cronin.
I know. For what it's worth, she's an utter bitch to use too ... it's been exhausting trying to write her into strats. She's also massively under rated, so you'll just get wiped out unless you argue your arse. If I League again I am not touching her with a barge pole, I'm sick of using her.

And Messiah Cable topping Cronin? I didn't know Big Daddy BC was a bottom?:p

[Brian M.]

http://img126.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=70832_X-Treme_X-Men_46_2136_122_786lo.jpg
Sage after jump starting Gambit, states she needed the illusion and pretense to trigger it since they were pressed for time.

http://img143.imagevenue.com/view.php?image=60756_Page_19_122_1111lo.jpg
Sage jump starting Beast, it takes days to properly take affect.

http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=62355_Page_13_122_1094lo.jpg
Sage requires full analysis and catalogue of dna before jump starting a mutant power.

The above panels, taken together, demonstrate that ordinarily a restart takes some time, which even away from a battle field in a villla, they don't have with Gambit. So we would assume that the way it worked with Beast was the standard. It was never the kiss that jump started Gambit, it was the close uninterrupted contact combined with an adrenaline rush. Sage doesn't get that luxury with Cable.

With the Beast panel she even says she directs the energy to boost his healing factor instead of directing it all to advance his mutation. Also with the last one, it really does seem like she does it pretty quickly. But without a stopwatch that's open to interuptation.

[Flâneur]

shouldnt the battle at hand give cable the necessary adreniline rush? and it looks like it works fairly fast in all but beast.

The Sage catalysis of Gambit takes 4 pages of uninterrupted contact, combined with the adrenaline rush. It also takes Sage time to catalogue DNA, so by the time she gets to Cable, catalogue his DNA and pash him for a while ... she's gone to our side.

[Brian M.]

I know. For what it's worth, she's an utter bitch to use too ... it's been exhausting trying to write her into strats. She's also massively under rated, so you'll just get wiped out unless you argue your arse. If I League again I am not touching her with a barge pole, I'm sick of using her.

And Messiah Cable topping Cronin? I didn't know Big Daddy BC was a bottom?:p

I've been argueing my ass off trying to poke holes in it and I keep running into dead ends it feels like. I was hammered Saturday night and the last thing I thought of before I passed out was "how the fuck can I stop Meggan".

[Flâneur]

I've been argueing my ass off trying to poke holes in it and I keep running into dead ends it feels like. I was hammered Saturday night and the last thing I thought of before I passed out was "how the fuck can I stop Meggan".

Don't worry too much about it, you're going to win regardless. Though I'm determined to keep arguing the point since I promised I would in an msn convo and I'm too proud not to keep up with that. :o

Also, if you want to know about your opponents quickly and have absolutely no access to source material, google appreciation threads, many fans post power feats with scans in order to show how awesome and winr4rz their fave is.

[Brian M.]

Don't worry too much about it, you're going to win regardless. Though I'm determined to keep arguing the point since I promised I would in an msn convo and I'm too proud not to keep up with that. :o

Also, if you want to know about your opponents quickly and have absolutely no access to source material, google appreciation threads, many fans post power feats with scans in order to show how awesome and winr4rz their fave is.

Yea, I did a lot of googling...although when searching Meggan w/o the Google Filter on...you get more than comic book Meggan

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/flansy/blog/Meggan.jpg

[Flâneur]

Yea, I did a lot of googling...although when searching Meggan w/o the Google Filter on...you get more than comic book Meggan

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/flansy/blog/Meggan.jpg

ROFLMAO!!!

Since we're going to lose anyway, I'll divulge one of my info sources:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t438180.html

EVERYONE should read these, it's great battle prep.

[Brian M.]

ROFLMAO!!!

Since we're going to lose anyway, I'll divulge one of my info sources:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t438180.html

EVERYONE should read these, it's great battle prep.

Holy God!!!!!!!!!!!!

That place is like a freaking gold mine....

[Flâneur]

Holy God!!!!!!!!!!!!

That place is like a freaking gold mine....

It won't help against Nyss though! D List pwns all lol.

Another funny thing - Crystal is able to block out the entirety of Exodus' powers on her own without breaking a sweat. Such a lol moment.

[Brian M.]

It won't help against Nyss though! D List pwns all lol.

Another funny thing - Crystal is able to block out the entirety of Exodus' powers on her own without breaking a sweat. Such a lol moment.

LOL luckily for us Nyssane wrote all the Wiki articles on his characters.

[Flâneur]

LOL luckily for us Nyssane wrote all the Wiki articles on his characters.

Haha, we'll see I suppose!

Oh and Brian, remember for future matches ... you are the new Qwerty! It's canon now!

[Brian M.]

Haha, we'll see I suppose!

Oh and Brian, remember for future matches ... you are the new Qwerty! It's canon now!

I did enjoy that move. She is the one Z-List character I have fallen in love with. When I get face I'll pay Marvel to write a book; Qwerty and the O5!!!!

[Flâneur]

I did enjoy that move. She is the one Z-List character I have fallen in love with. When I get face I'll pay Marvel to write a book; Qwerty and the O5!!!!

Marvel Solicitations May 2012
Courtesy of CBR

X-men: First Class #112
WRITTEN BY: Brian Moranor
DRAWN BY: Leonardo Da Vinci

Woah! There's a new girl on the block and she's giving the rest of the kids a run for their money! Bobby, Warren and Hank compete for this budding star's affections but what has resident queen bee Jean got to say about this development? Read and find out true believers!

[Brian M.]

Marvel Solicitations May 2012
Courtesy of CBR

X-men: First Class #112
WRITTEN BY: Brian Moranor
DRAWN BY: Leonardo Da Vinci

Woah! There's a new girl on the block and she's giving the rest of the kids a run for their money! Bobby, Warren and Hank compete for this budding star's affections but what has resident queen bee Jean got to say about this development? Read and find out true believers!

Da Vinci and I would make a great team.

[Flâneur]

Da Vinci and I would make a great team.

You could be his boy muse.

[Flâneur]

HAW! Bib voted for us! So he concedes that Meggan steals his mod powers! WinR4R!:p

[Brian M.]

HAW! Bib voted for us! So he concedes that Meggan steals his mod powers! WinR4R!:p

A vote for you guys is a vote for me being banned!!!!!!!!!!

I kid, whether I think your move would work or not I had to argue my strategy. It was one hell of a match and I feel like we stole one by winning this.

[Flâneur]

A vote for you guys is a vote for me being banned!!!!!!!!!!

I kid, whether I think your move would work or not I had to argue my strategy. It was one hell of a match and I feel like we stole one by winning this.
Make sure you make it a brilliant match next week and we'll forgive you. :)

[mattbib]

Yeah, I try to stay impartial (though I've never made any claims that I would actually do so), but in this match, knowing my vote woldn't make much of a difference at this point, I had to point out that I just found Flâneur & Toboe's strategy more effective, not to mention extremely well-researched and concrete. I have to say, to explain the results, I think a lot of their proof must've been overlooked or dismissed.

[Brian M.]

Yeah, I try to stay impartial (though I've never made any claims that I would actually do so), but in this match, knowing my vote woldn't make much of a difference at this point, I had to point out that I just found Flâneur & Toboe's strategy more effective, not to mention extremely well-researched and concrete. I have to say, to explain the results, I think a lot of their proof must've been overlooked or dismissed.

What can I say...I do a good job of casting doubt :)

[Nyssane]

If you be such a betch like that in our battle next week, claws will be out.

[Brian M.]

If you be such a betch like that in our battle next week, claws will be out.

How was a I betch?

[Flâneur]

Yeah, I try to stay impartial (though I've never made any claims that I would actually do so), but in this match, knowing my vote woldn't make much of a difference at this point, I had to point out that I just found Flâneur & Toboe's strategy more effective, not to mention extremely well-researched and concrete. I have to say, to explain the results, I think a lot of their proof must've been overlooked or dismissed.

Thanks. :)

We did put alot of work into it, which was annoying when I discovered that nifty site oh so recently. I'm satisfied though and I think Toboe is too, it's only a game after all and you're in it to play it and not to win it. I just hope people enjoyed reading it. I'd also like to make a shout out to everyone who played this year, as it was a pleasure reading your strategies and in particular I'd like to give a shout out to The Lucky One and CyberHubbs as they were the most congenial opponents anyone could expect.

What can I say...I do a good job of casting doubt. :)
Gracious winners receive the most applause.;)

[Nyssane]

How was a I betch?

Those shoes are mine, betch.

Casting doubt is BAD. It's the name of the game, but Flanny & Toboe seemed to put more time and effort into their strategy, and it's all to reminiscent of my battle with Ben & Mitsy. LAWL.

Still, at least it wasn't a completely one-sided win and Flanny got lotz uv votes. And I was afraid Flanny would win cuz I don't think I'd be able to beat him. :(

[Flâneur]

Those shoes are mine, betch.

Casting doubt is BAD. It's the name of the game, but Flanny & Toboe seemed to put more time and effort into their strategy, and it's all to reminiscent of my battle with Ben & Mitsy. LAWL.

Still, at least it wasn't a completely one-sided win and Flanny got lotz uv votes. And I was afraid Flanny would win cuz I don't think I'd be able to beat him. :(
For the sake of interest, we were going to use the terminator T-X 1000 meggan morph against you and I asked Toboe if we'd be allowed to have Meggan manufacture adamantium detachable testicles as projectiles but he said that'd be too weird. :o

We were also planning a Secret Invasion against Ben.

[Brian M.]

Thanks. :)

We did put alot of work into it, which was annoying when I discovered that nifty site oh so recently. I'm satisfied though and I think Toboe is too, it's only a game after all and you're in it to play it and not to win it. I just hope people enjoyed reading it. I'd also like to make a shout out to everyone who played this year, as it was a pleasure reading your strategies and in particular I'd like to give a shout out to The Lucky One and CyberHubbs as they were the most congenial opponents anyone could expect.


Gracious winners receive the most applause.;)

Oh I applaud everything you did. I'm stunned the score is what it is. I have nothing but respect for the team and strategy you guys put together.

Those shoes are mine, betch.

Casting doubt is BAD. It's the name of the game, but Flanny & Toboe seemed to put more time and effort into their strategy, and it's all to reminiscent of my battle with Ben & Mitsy. LAWL.

Still, at least it wasn't a completely one-sided win and Flanny got lotz uv votes. And I was afraid Flanny would win cuz I don't think I'd be able to beat him. :(

Just because I wrote the strategy differently doesn't mean I didn't put a lot of time and effort into doing it. I worked on this thing since our last match ended. I wanted to try and write it a different way but it wasn't meant in anyway to be disrespectful.

Also I disagree that casting doubt is bad, we're suppose to discuss the strategies, ask questions, ponder, that's what I did. I picked at Meggan's move as much as I possibly could and from every which way. If someone wanted to vote for us I was trying to give them enough reason too. Now towards the end it seemed fruitless b/c Flanny/Toboe had an answer for everything. But up until then I think there was a enough doubt out there to warrant voting for us.

[Flâneur]

Also I disagree that casting doubt is bad, we're suppose to discuss the strategies, ask questions, ponder, that's what I did. I picked at Meggan's move as much as I possibly could and from every which way. If someone wanted to vote for us I was trying to give them enough reason too. Now towards the end it seemed fruitless b/c Flanny/Toboe had an answer for everything. But up until then I think there was a enough doubt out there to warrant voting for us.
I think what Clint is concerned about is the casting of doubts if you don't share those doubts yourself; since that's a deliberately negative campaign as it were, rather than a positive one. But I'm sure you wouldn't bring that kind of thing into a game anyway.

[Brian M.]

I think what Clint is concerned about is the casting of doubts if you don't share those doubts yourself; since that's a deliberately negative campaign as it were, rather than a positive one. But I'm sure you wouldn't bring that kind of thing into a game anyway.

Well no, at first I did have doubts, I assumed it was a pulse that radiated from Meggan's body and then I thought it was more of a blast, it wasn't until the end of the discussion that I learned it really is just kinda beamed into my player's head. Before I found all that I was argueing that their might be some crossfire concerning the area around Sage. But I dropped those arguements b/c you continued to prove to me that it wasn't like that. But it wasn't until the very end of this thing that I knew I was wrong. A lot of our votes came before a lot of this back and forth. I think we had 13 before our discussion ended last night.

[mattbib]

Final score is 18:11.

Congratulations, Brian M. & Beast, you advance to the second semi-final Game "N" where next Monday, February 25 you'll battle Nyssane in the center of Times Square for a spot in the final! Good luck!

Great job, Flâneur & Toboe! Unfortunately this is your second defeat, which means you're eliminated from the League, but you have placed fourth overall! Congrats!

[Toboe]

Don't worry too much about it, you're going to win regardless. Though I'm determined to keep arguing the point since I promised I would in an msn convo and I'm too proud not to keep up with that. :o

Oh you, I got your reward coming this way. ;)

Yea, I did a lot of googling...although when searching Meggan w/o the Google Filter on...you get more than comic book Meggan

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n43/flansy/blog/Meggan.jpg

LOL! I gotta get me one of those and fill the world with them.

Yeah, I try to stay impartial (though I've never made any claims that I would actually do so), but in this match, knowing my vote woldn't make much of a difference at this point, I had to point out that I just found Flâneur & Toboe's strategy more effective, not to mention extremely well-researched and concrete. I have to say, to explain the results, I think a lot of their proof must've been overlooked or dismissed.

Thanks, bib! I also think some parts were overlooked and that affected us... we had like eleven votes against us already when I first got the chance to defend it. But it was quite an interesting match, I loved this experience.

Congrats to Brian-Qwerty II and Beast, good luck on your next match! And may Jesus Meggan be with you.

[Brian M.]

I gotta say this was one hell of a match. I learned a lot about Meggan and frankly she scares the hell outta me, who ever gets her next year...good luck. It was a lively debate and hopefully I didn't come off as too much of a betch. I hope both of you return next year, you're one hell of a team.

[darksaint124]

I gotta say this was one hell of a match. I learned a lot about Meggan and frankly she scares the hell outta me, who ever gets her next year...good luck. It was a lively debate and hopefully I didn't come off as too much of a betch. I hope both of you return next year, you're one hell of a team.

Congrats, B&B. Didn't get to vote 'cause I haven't been around much lately, but looking forward to your next match.

[Diablito]

Wow, this was a great match. I'm really sad that I didn't get to vote, but congratulations to both contestants.

[d newton]

Followup time:
Empath doesn't have the ability to repel Nocturne - Nocturne can take down people like Hyperion for instance, so she has no problem with Empath.
Post 15 says that Brian M's team has been scattered. Can Nocturne get to Empath before he uses his power to stop her from possessing him?

Hellion can also use his teke to grab Sage and Empath and bring 'em over at high speeds, especially since Emma unlocked his powers and he's been able to break the sound barrier (which makes him able to move things at speeds faster than the black bird ever could.
Hellion still needs to perfect his fine motor control (see the issue summary for New X Men V2 issue 42).

[Flâneur]

Followup time:

Post 15 says that Brian M's team has been scattered. Can Nocturne get to Empath before he uses his power to stop her from possessing him?


Hellion still needs to perfect his fine motor control (see the issue summary for New X Men V2 issue 42).

Hellion has enough motor control to lift two human sized objects, his very first juiced up power use was to do this for himself and X-23. He also has no problem doing fridge size objects (approx. human size) so the fine motor control only was an obstacle for something like a coin.

Brian M's team was scattered but Hellion took the requisite members of Brian's team (Empath and Sage) using the telekinesis, which we've shown he can do.

It doesn't matter anymore anyway, as the battle is done.

[d newton]

Brian M's team was scattered but Hellion took the requisite members of Brian's team (Empath and Sage) using the telekinesis, which we've shown he can do.
So he picks up two people who are at an unknown distance from himself towards his teammates at the same time?

[Novaya Havoc]

Congrats Brian and Beast!

And MAD KUDOS FLANNY AND TOBOE! Fabulous 4th! I was going to comment mid-match, but Mitsy and I have such a TIMEZONE DIFFERENCE! We agreed to vote for B&B, but you guys were awesome!

[Flâneur]

So he picks up two people who are at an unknown distance from himself towards his teammates at the same time?

The distance from us is pre-established in the rules. They're clearly within line of sight. There really is no point in trying to pick at it anymore.


And MAD KUDOS FLANNY AND TOBOE! Fabulous 4th! I was going to comment mid-match, but Mitsy and I have such a TIMEZONE DIFFERENCE! We agreed to vote for B&B, but you guys were awesome!
Thanks!:)