Official Veronica Mars Season 1 Thread!

[Deathstroke]

Are you planning on watching the show?

It starts on UPN in 40 minutes.

When you watch it, come back here and talk about the show and uber delicious series lead Kristen Bell!

[Slappy san]

18 minutes in and I'm SOLD!

[Slayven]

Damn it. L&O is on. I will downlaod it and watch it

[SuperGodGinrai]

Well, i went and watched it after reading this.
First, i misread the name was was waiting for JAG's Catherine Bell... go figure.
2nd, i'm not digging the whole "voice over" thing. That's one thing that always annoys the crap outta me.
I will say this though, UPN might have a decent show on their hands for once.
Not something i'll watch, but more than likely something that'll catch on with teens.

CSI:NY on the other hand :)

[Deathstroke]

Well, i went and watched it after reading this.
First, i misread the name was was waiting for JAG's Catherine Bell... go figure.
2nd, i'm not digging the whole "voice over" thing. That's one thing that always annoys the crap outta me.
I will say this though, UPN might have a decent show on their hands for once.
Not something i'll watch, but more than likely something that'll catch on with teens.

CSI:NY on the other hand :)

Most of the articles I've read where critics listed their Top 5 new shows had UPN with two of them, Veronica Mars and Kevin Hill.

[Z-man]

This seems like a bit much, not only did she become a social outcast and her dad lost her job, but she also has to get dateraped and lose her mother? Maybe she could lose a limb as well?

[Ugoff]

This seems like a bit much, not only did she become a social outcast and her dad lost her job, but she also has to get dateraped and lose her mother? Maybe she could lose a limb as well?

I really enjoyed this show. I think all the bad things that happened to her aren't too much. Bad things happen all the time and to good people. Also the things she's going throught teens can relate to that. I really dig the voice over work, I like it. I also like that she's such a take charge bitch. I'm glad she let that gangster beat up on that lily white boy. All in all it was a top notch debut, although I do remember there was something about the show I really disliked but I can't remember it. Oh yea Veronica's friend who was murder was played by Amanda Sreyfield whose been on All My Children and starred in Mean Girls. I wonder why they would chose her for the chick that gets killed off? I'm sure she could bring a small percentage of people to tune in and see her on the show. Oh well.

[Z-man]

I really enjoyed this show. I think all the bad things that happened to her aren't too much. Bad things happen all the time and to good people. Also the things she's going throught teens can relate to that.

When she gets too much of it, though, it becomes far too grossly exagerated to be relateable. At a certain point it stops being tragedy and starts being farce.

[Ugoff]

When she gets too much of it, though, it becomes far too grossly exagerated to be relateable. At a certain point it stops being tragedy and starts being farce.

Sorry but it's totally relateable. I had a friend whose sister was murder by her boyfriend. That same friend confided in me that she had been raped before. It wasn't exagerated, just read the newspaper sometime or watch the news. Shit happens.

[Extreme_too]

I was wanting to check this out, but SMALLVILLE and LOST got in the way. Anybody know if they're replaying it?

-Aaron

[Tuan]

I was wanting to check this out, but SMALLVILLE and LOST got in the way. Anybody know if they're replaying it?

-Aaron
Friday at 9 pm and Sunday at 8 pm.

I still need to watch this.

[Rabid Trekkie]

I really didn't think I'd like this, I only watched it because I needed something to fill the time between Smallville and CSI:NY. I really enjoyed it. I hope the flashbacks stop with this ep, I could get annoyed by that but otherwise good show.

My favorite scene though had to be when she was in the parking lot and the gang tried to harass her. That was great.

[Deathstroke]

I enjoyed the show. Definitely going to keep tuning in.

It should be interesting to see what develops with her investigating her mother, lying to her father, and all the other balls she has in the air.

My favorite part is when she got back at the cop by switching the video tapes used in the courtroom.

Man, she's a future recruit for the CIA with stuff like that. That was SWEEEEET!

[Patman]

Anyhow, very promising pilot episode, good intro to an already complex teenage female PI with plenty of traumatic life experiences, but appears to have been able to deal with those curveballs and keeps on hacking.

I'll be tuning in for more of that cute lil' marshmallow...

[Deathstroke]

Peter David liked the show as well.

He wrote about it in his TV roundup entry on his site today.

I guess the show is the first entry into the "Great show...how long till they cancel it" sweepstakes.

[Aggie]

...Oh yea Veronica's friend who was murder was played by Amanda Sreyfield whose been on All My Children and starred in Mean Girls. I wonder why they would chose her for the chick that gets killed off? I'm sure she could bring a small percentage of people to tune in and see her on the show. Oh well.

yeah, i agree...i was sorry to see her leave amc...i thought her character had a lot of potential and she had great chemistry w/ michael b. jordan...but i think she's got a great career ahead of her...i also agree w/ sup about the voice over bit...it interfers w/ the flow of the action...but that's a personal objection...the writing's pretty good...and the cast is pretty descent...i'll give it a few more episodes.

[Antonio B.]

18 minutes in and I'm SOLD!

I like the show. The girl is cool. She is nice.

[Slappy san]

Peter David liked the show as well.

He wrote about it in his TV roundup entry on his site today.

I guess the show is the first entry into the "Great show...how long till they cancel it" sweepstakes.

No link?





?

[Deathstroke]

Go to Peter David.net (http://peterdavid.malibulist.com)

It's in the entry marked Cowboy Pete's TV Roundup.

[Tuan]

I liked it enough to put it on my weekly watch list. Wasn't that bad nor great. Decent but cute show. Liked the opening theme. Speaking of cute, Kristen Bell's pretty cute herself. Sure looks younger than she does on paper. I thought she was under 18 at first.

Looks like UPN has a keeper on its hands.

And God knows UPN needs more decent shows in their lineup.

[Slayven]

I liked it enough to put it on my weekly watch list. Wasn't that bad nor great. Decent but cute show. Liked the opening theme. Speaking of cute, Kristen Bell's pretty cute herself. Sure looks younger than she does on paper. I thought she was under 18 at first.

Looks like UPN has a keeper on its hands.

And God knows UPN needs more decent shows in their lineup.
yeah UPN needs another cornerstone since the parkers got canceled

[Tuan]

yeah UPN needs another cornerstone since the parkers got canceled
Dude, I don't even bother with their comedies.

The only two weekly fixes for me before Veronica came along were SmackDown and Enterprise.

[Slayven]

Dude, I don't even bother with their comedies.

The only two weekly fixes for me before Veronica came along were SmackDown and Enterprise.
It was a joke Tuan. WB does whoop them on dramas. I think if WB keeps it up it won't even ahve 30 minute shows in a few seasons

[Tuan]

It was a joke Tuan. WB does whoop them on dramas. I think if WB keeps it up it won't even ahve 30 minute shows in a few seasons
Ah, my bad.

Is this statement a joke also, cause I don't look highly on the WB when it comes to dramas either? The Mountain seems decent enough. Seems like another WB formula show. And if it didn't have anything to do with the Superman mythos, Smallville would just be another WB formula type of show also.

You're right though, WB does whoop UPN on dramas, but not by much.

[Deathstroke]

The Mountain has been getting terrible reviews.

Oh, and Kevin Hill is the other UPN show that has been getting fantastic reviews.

[Slayven]

Ah, my bad.

Is this statement a joke also, cause I don't look highly on the WB when it comes to dramas either? The Mountain seems decent enough. Seems like another WB formula show. And if it didn't have anything to do with the Superman mythos, Smallville would just be another WB formula type of show also.

You're right though, WB does whoop UPN on dramas, but not by much.
Didn't say quality dramas i meant they pumping them out left and right. a few of them look like the same show but with a different name.

oh and anyone know the theme for the show. pretty catchy

[Slayven]

finally finished it. The show si money. Loved the lawyer dude, and Wallace don't i know him from somewhere?

[Tuan]

finally finished it. The show si money. Loved the lawyer dude, and Wallace don't i know him from somewhere?
Wallace looks like that Disney Channel dude, Jet Jackson.

[Tuan]

oh and anyone know the theme for the show. pretty catchy

It's called We Used To Be Friends by The Dandy Warhols.

[Tuan]

And you can see the music video here (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2475938).

[Slayven]

Wallace looks like that Disney Channel dude, Jet Jackson.
he does. once again i bow to your link fu

[adamthered]

How'd this do, ratings wise. I hope well enough. Last show I tried to watch on UPN, Haunted, didn't do so hot.

It's a pain trying to find new shows that will at least last the season and won't leave me feeling braindead after a viewing.

[adamthered]

Crap, doing some research, VM did a 2.7/4. That doesn't sound like it bodes well for the show. Then again, mayhap a 2.7 is a good rating for UPN?

[Deathstroke]

Crap, doing some research, VM did a 2.7/4. That doesn't sound like it bodes well for the show. Then again, mayhap a 2.7 is a good rating for UPN?

And it lost out to the WB's "The Mountain."

Ain't that always the way? The show that got all the critical raves gets less viewers than the one that got all the barbs.

I watched it for a third time when they rebroadcast it last night.

[adamthered]

Well, since Freak and Geeks was cancelled five years ago my luck with shows has been crap. I think, Buffy, Angel, Alias, and Farscape were all flukes to make it past their first seasons since nothing else I've watched on regular cable has.

I love how the LCD rules the roost, or seem to be the only ones that ever get those damned Nielsens boxes.

I'm just happy Lost did as well as it did.

Damn, trying to find new shows to replace the void left by a Whedonless viewing schedule has sure been a chore.

[Ugoff]

And it lost out to the WB's "The Mountain."

Ain't that always the way? The show that got all the critical raves gets less viewers than the one that got all the barbs.

I watched it for a third time when they rebroadcast it last night.

It lost out to the WB's "The Mountain"!? The fucking Mountain! Shit! If VM gets cancelled I'm gonna be so pissed. Aren't there enough crappy dramas about rich white teens/young adults w/ all white casts on the WB to keep viewers satisfied? There's One Tree Hill, Jack & Bobby(is that on WB?), Gilmore Girls, hmmm what else I know theres more! LOL!

[Deathstroke]

It lost out to the WB's "The Mountain"!? The fucking Mountain! Shit! If VM gets cancelled I'm gonna be so pissed. Aren't there enough crappy dramas about rich white teens/young adults w/ all white casts on the WB to keep viewers satisfied? There's One Tree Hill, Jack & Bobby(is that on WB?), Gilmore Girls, hmmm what else I know theres more! LOL!


Ummm.. I like (mildly) One Tree Hill, you can insult the other ones, but leave OTH alone.

Oh, and they are adding a Latina to OTH this season. Daniella Alonso I believe, who won't be mistaken for lilly white.

[Ugoff]

Ummm.. I like (mildly) One Tree Hill, you can insult the other ones, but leave OTH alone.

Oh, and they are adding a Latina to OTH this season. Daniella Alonso I believe, who won't be mistaken for lilly white.


Although I would never watch One Tree Hill even if you paid me to I'm not dissing it. I'm dissing those who would rather tune in and watch The Mountain instead of Veronica Mars.

[Deathstroke]

Although I would never watch One Tree Hill even if you paid me to I'm not dissing it. I'm dissing those who would rather tune in and watch The Mountain instead of Veronica Mars.

Oh, that's okay then.

[Tuan]

Although I would never watch One Tree Hill even if you paid me to I'm not dissing it. I'm dissing those who would rather tune in and watch The Mountain instead of Veronica Mars.
I taped both and watched both. I'm giving The Mountain one more episode.

[IamtheRock3]

Ummm.. I like (mildly) One Tree Hill, you can insult the other ones, but leave OTH alone.

Oh, and they are adding a Latina to OTH this season. Daniella Alonso I believe, who won't be mistaken for lilly white.


It like they just built the underground rail road

Actully One tree Hill good for what it does. If one like those type of shows its on the top. I HATE the show though kind of lame and overly angsty..but that just me.

[Slayven]

I think ti will eb on for while. UPN needs a strong show. lord knows their franchise series sin't doing that well. And they do it right they can get soem pretty good demographics(young chicks looking for a kickbutt heroine)

[Brian Cronin]

I liked this show, and as the closing credits ran, I know why...the head honcho of the show, Rob Thomas, was the guy behind Cupid.

That show was awesome.

-Brian

[Deathstroke]

2nd episode tonight.

By the way for those who didn't catch it, the leader of the motorcycle gang, "Weevil," is played by Francis Capra.

You might remember him as Elvis in Free Willy 2. He's the great grandson of Frank Capra.

[Slayven]

2nd episode tonight.

By the way for those who didn't catch it, the leader of the motorcycle gang, "Weevil," is played by Francis Capra.

You might remember him as Elvis in Free Willy 2. He's the great grandson of Frank Capra.
For some odd reason my local UPN isn't showing it until 11:30.

[comicaze]

I'm also not a big fan of the date-rape (if you can call it that, even though she didn't bring a date to the party) angle but it works story-wise for me as a sign of revenge.

Why did her former friends invite her to go surfing? Just to force a flashback? I saw no story reason for that to be there. Her ex even tried to stop them from harassing her. Since he might still have feelings for her, I don't think he was involved in the rape but everyone else has no alibi.

Quick question about Kristen Bell...is she related to the Bells who write and star in The Young and the Restless? I could see her being Cricket's younger, spunkier sister. :)

I taped this Friday after the season premiere of Joan of Arcadia and noticed Sydney Tamia Poitier (Kevin's boss/love interest on J o A) and Corhinne Booher (Rocky's mom on J o A) as Veronica's mom. Weird coincidence, huh?

[Deathstroke]

I'm also not a big fan of the date-rape (if you can call it that, even though she didn't bring a date to the party) angle but it works story-wise for me as a sign of revenge.

Why did her former friends invite her to go surfing? Just to force a flashback? I saw no story reason for that to be there. Her ex even tried to stop them from harassing her. Since he might still have feelings for her, I don't think he was involved in the rape but everyone else has no alibi.

Quick question about Kristen Bell...is she related to the Bells who write and star in The Young and the Restless? I could see her being Cricket's younger, spunkier sister. :)

I taped this Friday after the season premiere of Joan of Arcadia and noticed Sydney Tamia Poitier (Kevin's boss/love interest on J o A) and Corhinne Booher (Rocky's mom on J o A) as Veronica's mom. Weird coincidence, huh?

What's to be a fan or not a fan of the date rape angle? It's all part and parcel of the initial set up.

Her former friends weren't so much inviting her to go surfing with them as they were taunting her. Remember the guy driving the truck is the one she described as a psycho.

I don't know if she is related to the Y&R Bells, but there is nothing listed on her TV Tome or IMDB biographies saying she is.

Poitier was added to the show after the pilot was shot, that's why she's in the credits for the first episode but doesn't show up until the second show.

[Slappy san]

[QUOTE=comicaze]

Quick question about Kristen Bell...is she related to the Bells who write and star in The Young and the Restless? I could see her being Cricket's younger, spunkier sister. :)

QUOTE]

I dont think so. The local news had her family and friends on tv talking about her. They were all crowded into one house. So I think its a pretty good bet that she isnt.

[Deathstroke]

So what did everyone think of last night's episode.

I liked Veronica helping out Weevil, but it did seem a bit trite as far as the main plotline.

I loved how she pulled another fast one to get the information about Lilly Kane's traffic ticket and then the information that it revealed.

I'm thinking that the murder investigation could turn out to be a superb story line if they do it right, and keep the silly plots to the barest possible minimum.

By the way, the show has cast real life couple Harry Hamlin and Lisa Rinna as the movie star parents of "Logan" on the show. They will appear in at least 3 episodes starting November 2nd.

[Tuan]

I was waiting for Veronica to slap Paris Hilton's character all episode long.

I guess all wishes don't come true.

[comicaze]

So what did everyone think of last night's episode.

I liked Veronica helping out Weevil, but it did seem a bit trite as far as the main plotline.

I'm thinking that the murder investigation could turn out to be a superb story line if they do it right, and keep the silly plots to the barest possible minimum.

By the way, the show has cast real life couple Harry Hamlin and Lisa Rinna as the movie star parents of "Logan" on the show. They will appear in at least 3 episodes starting November 2nd.

Thanks for the info about HH and his lovely wife...makes sense. Just like Paris being typecast as a rich princess character. I think TPTB did a good job of not letting obvious "stunt casting" get in the way of telling the story. I mean, they cast Paris in a bid for eyeballs but didn't let her overwhelm the story (even though her character ended up being crucial to the plot).

I thought using Weevil tied the first two eps together well. It made us care about the character, rather than creating a new kid to be the scapegoat.

I'm more interested in finding out why Veronica's mom was at the same hotel as Kane, but the friend's murder is a good plottline too.

Guess Sydney Tamia Poitier's being a regular here means she's leaving J o A. :(

[Deathstroke]

Guess Sydney Tamia Poitier's being a regular here means she's leaving J o A. :(

She was never a part of the main cast. She had been gone for a few episodes at the end of last season anyway, once Kevin cheated on her.

[LtMarvel]

Ok...I feel unusually dense.. did the last bit of evidence mean that someone took the car for a spin (meaning the alibi is invalid) or was the murder victim the driver (meaning the official Time of Death is wrong).

[comicaze]

Don't feel so dense, Lt. :) I also thought it was kinda confusing but, until Deathstroke corrects me :) , I think there was a picture from a stoplight camera that showed the victim driving. But, that kinda makes it hard to understand how the Medical Examiner got a different time of death. Maybe the Kane family "got to" them and got them to falsify the document? I guess we'll find out as they take us through it.

[Deathstroke]

Don't feel so dense, Lt. :) I also thought it was kinda confusing but, until Deathstroke corrects me :) , I think there was a picture from a stoplight camera that showed the victim driving. But, that kinda makes it hard to understand how the Medical Examiner got a different time of death. Maybe the Kane family "got to" them and got them to falsify the document? I guess we'll find out as they take us through it.

The voiceover made it clear that Lilly was caught on the camera about 2 hours after the supposed time of death.

I don't think the ME "got" the time of death wrong. It sounds more to me like the Kane family is pretty important and powerful and bought off the investigation.

The question now becomes what will Veronica do with that picture? Will she do investigating on her own, or will she share the information with her father.

[Rabid Trekkie]

The voiceover made it clear that Lilly was caught on the camera about 2 hours after the supposed time of death.

I don't think the ME "got" the time of death wrong. It sounds more to me like the Kane family is pretty important and powerful and bought off the investigation.

The question now becomes what will Veronica do with that picture? Will she do investigating on her own, or will she share the information with her father.

If I was her I'd do it myself. Her father most likely knows about it already as he was still sheriff when the picture was taken.

[Deathstroke]

If I was her I'd do it myself. Her father most likely knows about it already as he was still sheriff when the picture was taken.

Actually, I doubt her dad knows.

Remember the only reason they even found out about the ticket was because they got pulled over. I doubt that the ticket was even a thought in the original murder investigation.

[Extreme_too]

I caught the re-run on MTV and was hooked. What an awesome show. UPN's on a role this season so far, what with this and KEVIN HILL. I'll definitly be checking it out from now on.

But what the fuck's Paris Hilton doing in there? Seriously.......I REALLY dislike that girl.......

-Aaron

[Slappy san]

A rerun....already!??!!?!?

[Slayven]

A rerun....already!??!!?!?
they don't want to waste a new epsiode on the VP debates. makes sense

[Slappy san]

they don't want to waste a new epsiode on the VP debates. makes sense

It makes sense if most people really gave a damn about the VP debate. I sure don't.

[Deathstroke]

they don't want to waste a new epsiode on the VP debates. makes sense

What would've made sense is for them to announce the damn change in the schedule.

All the stuff in the papers said the new episode would run tonight.

I'm so sick and tired of them messing with my TV schedule. And for a debate that they weren't even FRELLING carrying no less!

[Slayven]

It makes sense if most people really gave a damn about the VP debate. I sure don't.
yeah but we are talking programing execs. not logic masters

[Slayven]

No one else watched it? Thought tiw as pretty good

[Deathstroke]

I watched it and it was pretty good.

I loved Wallace comment "Why did all the hairs on the back of my neck just stand up" when Veronica said "I need you to do me a favor."

Melissa Leo as the woman who used to be a man. I loved her on Homicide: Life On The Street.

Paula Marshall's guidance counselor reminded me of why I hated guidance counselors when I was in high school.

Veronica's hurt at finding her mother had gone from that place she tracked her down to. And why would her mother be afraid that her father would come looking for her?

How about the dream that Duncan had where Lilly appeared. Her head was dripping blood and she kept saying the truth would come out. Pretty whacked out.

I'm really interested to see what it is that Duncan knows about the murder. Anyone think his mom has something to do with it? She seems awfully interested in making sure he stays on the anti-depressants.

[Rabid Trekkie]

How about the dream that Duncan had where Lilly appeared. Her head was dripping blood and she kept saying the truth would come out. Pretty whacked out.

I'm really interested to see what it is that Duncan knows about the murder. Anyone think his mom has something to do with it? She seems awfully interested in making sure he stays on the anti-depressants.

I'm half wondering if the mom did it to break up Duncan and Veronica. It was something said in the previous episode, she would do anything to make sure that he had the life she thought he should have or something like that.

I also have a feeling that Veronica's mom is actually helping her dad in the continuing investigation but for some reason they don't want to tell Veronica.

Oh, I'd just like to say the more I watch this show the more I fall in love with Veronica.

[Deathstroke]

I also have a feeling that Veronica's mom is actually helping her dad in the continuing investigation but for some reason they don't want to tell Veronica.

Oh, I'd just like to say the more I watch this show the more I fall in love with Veronica.

I have that feeling about Veronica's mom as well.

And I agree with you about Kristen Bell.

[Patman]

"Meet John Smith"

This was an okay episode, with many subplots getting started (Veronica's dad and the lady from her school possibly hooking up, but with Paul Marshall on the show, she be the kiss of death for pretty much all the shows she appears on, this doesn't bode well).

Veronica's ex-boyfriend might be going off his anti-depressant meds. He was acting a little off-the-wall, but then cooled off on Veronica again.

Veronica appears to have a boyfriend in the new guy that keeps sniffing around her.

The actual case of finding John Smith wasn't all that interesting. Even the big reveal wasn't all that shocking (then again, I saw Nip/Tuck's season finale last week, but I can't say I'd been all that shocked if I hadn't).

[Deathstroke]

Veronica's ex-boyfriend might be going off his anti-depressant meds. He was acting a little off-the-wall, but then cooled off on Veronica again.




I don't think he's going off them. At the end of the show he downed a pill, probably to avoid the hallucination/dream of his sister again.

[adamthered]

Was that episode three or four? I was out of town last week and programmed the VCR an hour early so I missed the ep last week but I know the VP debate was on and the ep was preempted.

[Tuan]

Was that episode three or four? I was out of town last week and programmed the VCR an hour early so I missed the ep last week but I know the VP debate was on and the ep was preempted.
Third episode.

Kristen Bell and Paula Marshall looked so delicious.

[Slayven]

Third episode.

Kristen Bell and Paula Marshall looked so delicious.
That she si. and she is 24 man i thought we was way younger

[Slappy san]

Loved the ep. I really dug the main plotline.

[comicaze]

Really liked Veronica in that short skirt! (Is there a drooling smilie?) :D I loved seeing Paula Marshall again as the guidance counselor who might be striking up a friendship/relationship with Ronnie's dad. I know her shows haven't done well, but I loved her in Cupid. Nice to see the creator of both shows giving her another chance...hope she sticks around for a while. IMHO, I would make her a regular instead of Sydney Tamia Poitier who hasn't had much to do yet.

I agree with 'Stroke (it's good for my health :) ) about Duncan going back on his meds to avoid more vivid dreams. The doc in the hospital mentioned that most people don't go off them "cold turkey" because of side effects like that.

Not sure about Ronnie's new boyfriend...can he be as nice as he seems? Isn't he friends with Duncan (who still also has feelings for her)? On the bleachers, one of D's friends even called him D's "boy toy" which sounds like something else could be going on (but probably isn't).

[Deathstroke]

I agree with 'Stroke (it's good for my health :) ) about Duncan going back on his meds to avoid more vivid dreams. The doc in the hospital mentioned that most people don't go off them "cold turkey" because of side effects like that.

Not sure about Ronnie's new boyfriend...can he be as nice as he seems? Isn't he friends with Duncan (who still also has feelings for her)? On the bleachers, one of D's friends even called him D's "boy toy" which sounds like something else could be going on (but probably isn't).


Okay, can't put a contract on comicaze he agrees with me.

Oh, and "RONNIE"...ummm no, she is not a "RONNIE."

[comicaze]

I thought some of the kids at school called her that (it's short for Veronica, just ask Archie and Jughead). :)

[Deathstroke]

I thought some of the kids at school called her that (it's short for Veronica, just ask Archie and Jughead). :)

I know that and I'm sure some people have called her that, but she doesn't strike me as a Ronnie is all I was saying.

[comicaze]

I know that and I'm sure some people have called her that, but she doesn't strike me as a Ronnie is all I was saying.

See my earlier comment about her in a skirt, and you'll see I agree whole-heartedly! :)

[Tuan]

That she si. and she is 24 man i thought we was way younger
Yep, I've said it before. She sure doesn't look her age.

[Slayven]

Yep, I've said it before. She sure doesn't look her age.
Now i don't feel like a dirty old man.

She makes a better chloe then chloe does

[Deathstroke]

The show seems to be showing signs of life, at least a bit.

The ratings for the third episode were the best yet.

[Tuan]

Now i don't feel like a dirty old man.

She makes a better chloe then chloe does
She definitely blows Allison Mack out of the water.

As for the show itself, I think it's a decent enjoyable show. I think the only reason I tuned in at first was because of Kristen Bell. I woudn't put it on the same level as other dramas like NYPD Blue, The Shield, Nip/Tuck, etc. though.

[Deathstroke]

I liked this episode.

Kristen Bell dressed up as a geek girl invading the video game lair was sweet.

Okay, does anyone else think that Lilly was killed by her mother?

That line in the flashback where Lilly says "I've never not had sex" was very creepy.

Her dad talking to her "date" and telling him he cancelled his reservations at the hotel was priceless.

[Rabid Trekkie]

I'm pretty convinced now that Lilly's mom killed her. I think Weevil (or whatever the name of the gang leader is) and Lilly had something going. I mean I couldn't see him attending a school function much less crying about it.

The rest of the show was great too. I love how she can go from really smart to dumb blonde and back again really quickly. I also liked how she convinced her dad to help her.

Then her dad meeting the boyfriend. He really should have known better than to try to pull a fast one on the PI.

So far all of them have been great eps and it is one of the few shows I actually look forward to every week.

[Slayven]

I'm pretty convinced now that Lilly's mom killed her. I think Weevil (or whatever the name of the gang leader is) and Lilly had something going. I mean I couldn't see him attending a school function much less crying about it.

The rest of the show was great too. I love how she can go from really smart to dumb blonde and back again really quickly. I also liked how she convinced her dad to help her.

Then her dad meeting the boyfriend. He really should have known better than to try to pull a fast one on the PI.

So far all of them have been great eps and it is one of the few shows I actually look forward to every week.
yeha it was pretty good. I am leaning toward either the father or the brother did it. And the mom is helping Veronica's dad continue the investagation. And the mom looked very hot with that hair do

[Deathstroke]

I forgot to mention that bit about Weevil. It does seem a little odd that he'd be crying unless they had something going on.

I think the mom killed her in a fit of rage over the fact that the daughter is fine and the mom's looks were going, if it wasn't because of an forbidden relationship with Weevil. I get that idea from the flashback where her mother tells her to fix her dress and she opens it further.

[Deathstroke]

By the way, Tina Majorino (Napoleon Dynamite) will guest star on the November 23rd episode. She'll play Mac, a computer punk who helps Veronica crack the school computers to solve a case involving Neptune High.

[Rabid Trekkie]

I forgot to mention that bit about Weevil. It does seem a little odd that he'd be crying unless they had something going on.

I think the mom killed her in a fit of rage over the fact that the daughter is fine and the mom's looks were going, if it wasn't because of an forbidden relationship with Weevil. I get that idea from the flashback where her mother tells her to fix her dress and she opens it further.

Well I doubt that's the only reason. In the last episode Lilly told Veronica that Mrs. Kane would do anything to keep Veronica and Duncan (I think that's the ex-boyfriend) because she wants to keep some maternal bond between them. Then there is the fact that she blamed Lilly for every problem the family had.

The more I think about it the creepier Mrs. Kane gets.

[LtMarvel]

Hah! You guys are buying the red herring! The gang leader is a big old softie, as shown in previous episodes. Dad's breaking down into tears after laughing gives him away as the killer!


I think I blinked again watching the episode...what exactly did Veronica do to the bad guys' back up drives? Did she swipe them or was it some elaborate sabotage?

[Spastic Minnow]

This scenario came to mind. It's as likely as anything.

The "something big" that Lilly found out was that is that she is not Mrs. Kane's child but was taken in from an affair of Mr. Kane's possibly with Weevil's mother, who you'll notice is not around. Weevil knows this but has to keep it secret for some reason. It also explains why Mrs. Kane was always so hostile to Lilly. Mr. Kane was already sleeping with Veronica's mom when Lilly was killed and Veronica's Dad was already suspicious of this which is why he was so quick to suspect Mr. Kane in the murder. For Veronica's dad maybe some details of the affair also pointed to Mr. Kane in the murder. I don't know how much of any of this Lilly's brother knew, maybe of his dad's and Veronica's mom's affair, a good reason for breaking it off with Veronica.

The way things look now it certainly looks like Mrs. Kane but that seems too obvious. There's definitely more that needs to be answered, like what the relationship of Mr. Kane and Veronica's mom is now and where Lilly was coming from or going to when she got that speeding ticket.


...and when all is revealed I'll probably be completely wrong :o

[Deathstroke]

Well I doubt that's the only reason. In the last episode Lilly told Veronica that Mrs. Kane would do anything to keep Veronica and Duncan (I think that's the ex-boyfriend) because she wants to keep some maternal bond between them. Then there is the fact that she blamed Lilly for every problem the family had.

The more I think about it the creepier Mrs. Kane gets.

Maybe Mommy Kane has a jones for baby boy!

[Tuan]

I think last night's episode was by far the best of the season.

Looks like Veronica's new boy toy is not what he seems. A bad boy at heart with past records of posession and drug trafficking, thanks to Veronica's pop of course. I was surprised to discover that the actor who plays Troy is Shawn Ashmore's (Iceman) twin brother. I mean, I noticed the resembance but never thought about it till I looked up his bio.

Paula Marshall is so tasty! That 40 year old thick body of hers. Yummy! Hope to see more of her down the line.

What is up with the fake car ride scenes? Where they have Veronica driving that convertable and the fake background scenes? Budget reasons?

Did anyone else think that the muscle dude in tonight's episode looked like a pumped up Danny Trejo with a blond die job? I sure did. lol.

And hello mommy dearest! Looks like Lianne Mars did leave for some mysterious reason after all. Between the photos Veronica stumbled upon in that safe deposit box and Keith not wanting to admit why he won't track her down for Veronica, things are going to look very interesting.

[Deathstroke]

I think last night's episode was by far the best of the season.

Looks like Veronica's new boy toy is not what he seems. A bad boy at heart with past records of posession and drug trafficking, thanks to Veronica's pop of course.

Paula Marshall is so tasty! That 40 year old thick body of hers. Yummy! Hope to see more of her down the line.

What is up with the fake car ride scenes? Where they have Veronica driving that convertable and the fake background scenes? Budget reasons?

And hello mommy dearest! Looks like Lianne Mars did leave for some mysterious reason after all. Between the photos Veronica stumbled upon in that safe deposit box and Keith not wanting to admit why he won't track her down for Veronica, things are going to look very interesting.

I thought the episode was pretty good. Kind of a darker thematic sensibility this time around. I loved the ending when Troy learned he'd been punked by Veronica.

I don't think we'll be seeing Paula Marshall anymore.

What I want to see is Veronica's reaction to the voice mail her mother left for her. There's definitely something up with her and those pictures certainly prove that but I can't see how she'd up and abandon her daughter like that.

As for the fake scenes, aren't a lot of shows doing that kind of thing now? Plus I'm sure the operation budget per episode is smaller than for say a show like ER.

[Slayven]

the lead, who's name i can't think off right now. looks weird with long hair int eh flash abcks

[Deathstroke]

the lead, who's name i can't think off right now. looks weird with long hair int eh flash abcks

Her name is Kristen (scrumptious as all hell) Bell.

[Rabid Trekkie]

This was a good episode but I liked last week's better. Anyway I'm still holding to my theory that Veronica's mom and dad are working with Mr. Kane to take down Mrs. Kane.

I can't believe Iceman turned out to be such a punk. I can't believe it. I loved that she actually got him back for it and then got the buff dude too.

[Slayven]

This was a good episode but I liked last week's better. Anyway I'm still holding to my theory that Veronica's mom and dad are working with Mr. Kane to take down Mrs. Kane.

I can't believe Iceman turned out to be such a punk. I can't believe it. I loved that she actually got him back for it and then got the buff dude too.
Thata nd weevil is really endearing himself

[Patman]

This episode probably went a little too fast in wrapping up Veronica's relationship with Troy, but then again, Veronica's narration even addressed this point, so I guess it's a reflection of the speed of realization for her, especially after her dad gives her the file on Troy.

How many teenagers could afford to send out so many prepaid cell phones in order to contact her mother. At least Veronica knows that her mom didn't run out on her because her mom didn't want her anymore, but to protect her. Resourceful is Veronica's middle name.

Is the ice melting between Veronica and Logan, it seems so.

Wallace cracking on Troy was kinda funny. Wallace's grown quite a pair since the series premiere.

Hopefully Keith ending it with the Paula Marshall character will give this show a chance (because of the Paula Marshall show cancellation curse).

[LtMarvel]

How many teenagers could afford to send out so many prepaid cell phones in order to contact her mother. At least Veronica knows that her mom didn't run out on her because her mom didn't want her anymore, but to protect her. Resourceful is Veronica's middle name.

Veronica has use of her dad's business. I'm sure it was no biggie to do so. I look forward to more bits and info on this mystery.

This episode's mystery of the stolen car/steroids was incredibly written. I didn't see the ending coming (even though previews forshadowed it!).

UPN really has upgraded its lineup. I'm hooked on Veronica Mars, Kevin Hill and Enterprise.

[riotgear]

By the way, the guy playing Troy is Aaron Ashmore, the twin brother of Iceman, Shawn Ashmore.

[Tuan]

As for the fake scenes, aren't a lot of shows doing that kind of thing now? Plus I'm sure the operation budget per episode is smaller than for say a show like ER.
I could understand if it was for budget reasons but the last time I checked lots of shows I watch don't really use fake scenes. But then again, I don't follow comedies at all these days, which I guess most of them do use lots of fake scenes. It's no biggie for me really.

[Deathstroke]

I could understand if it was for budget reasons but the last time I checked lots of shows I watch don't really use fake scenes. But then again, I don't follow comedies at all these days, which I guess most of them do use lots of fake scenes. It's no biggie for me really.

I saw a special recently that showed how even the most mundane of scenes are being faked. They showed how a scene in ER where one of the characters was sitting on the steps in front of her building. The only thing that was real was the steps. The entire building and rest of the street was all CGI.

[Deathstroke]

Next week's issue of TV Guide has a feature article on series lead Kristen Bell and the show.

[LtMarvel]

The election episode was excellent. Veronica is now haunted by the crime. Her dad figures out she's investigating and stops it. They then come clean with each other. What a great relationship between the characters.

And the election investigation was terrific, too. And they are making three-dimensional characters out of the villian kid and the ex-boyfriend/brother of the victim. And their parents!!!!!

Veronica Mars just passed Lost and Desperate Houswives as best new series!!!

[Deathstroke]

Veronica getting haunted by visions of Lilly was awesome.

I loved her scam on the girl running for class president and how she threw in the "suckers" remark on the cop and the principal.

Nice to see that Veronica finally came clean with her dad about the Lilly Kane murder. With the ending that they showed I'm hoping this means Dad and Daughter will now be working on the case together.

Holy crap, how about the stuff with Logan? Man, I saw him choosing a belt, and I was thinking he was going for suicide. Learning his dad is a psycho Hollywood film star who whips him was weird enough, but seeing his mom sitting their listening to the thwack thwack thwack of the belt as she calmly drinks her drink was quite chilling.

Is it just me or does Logan's Daddy Dearest vault onto the list of suspects in Lilly's murder now?

[Slayven]

Veronica getting haunted by visions of Lilly was awesome.

I loved her scam on the girl running for class president and how she threw in the "suckers" remark on the cop and the principal.

Nice to see that Veronica finally came clean with her dad about the Lilly Kane murder. With the ending that they showed I'm hoping this means Dad and Daughter will now be working on the case together.

Holy crap, how about the stuff with Logan? Man, I saw him choosing a belt, and I was thinking he was going for suicide. Learning his dad is a psycho Hollywood film star who whips him was weird enough, but seeing his mom sitting their listening to the thwack thwack thwack of the belt as she calmly drinks her drink was quite chilling.

Is it just me or does Logan's Daddy Dearest vault onto the list of suspects in Lilly's murder now?
I roiginally thought ti was lgoan to be gin with. nice to see there is a reason he is twisted as hell

[Slappy san]

According to AIC Veronica Mars has received a full season order. :)

[Deathstroke]

According to AIC Veronica Mars has received a full season order. :)

Damn Slappy, I was just going to post the news here as well. It's true!

[Slappy san]

Damn Slappy, I was just going to post the news here as well. It's true!

Thank goodness. Shows I like tend to get cancelled quickly.

[Slayven]

According to AIC Veronica Mars has received a full season order. :)
good stuff. i think vernioca and kevin hill could be great flagship shows

[comicaze]

Happened to see Kristen on Friday's Late Show. She looked GREAT and very grown-up, plus she was able to talk about her hometown (Detroit) sports teams. Haven't seen any caps on the web yet, but they would be worth looking for.

Having Veronica Mars get a full season order is great but, last year UPN promised the same to Jake 2.0 and this year Christopher Gorham is on Medical Investigation. Point being, I'll believe it IF I see it.

[Deathstroke]

Having Veronica Mars get a full season order is great but, last year UPN promised the same to Jake 2.0 and this year Christopher Gorham is on Medical Investigation. Point being, I'll believe it IF I see it.

Good point comicaze.

[Typo Lad]

Did you catch the Narc girl make a crack about Lilly and Weevil? Interesting, when you think about his crying at the memorial.

[Spastic Minnow]

As Weevil said, "Lilly was the name of my little sister."

It hasn't been made crystal clear but it looks to me like I called that one. :)

There was also that bit at the end about a man who is willing to raise a child who isn't their own, but I don't get what Veronica was thinking when she heard that.

And what was up with the two covered medical cots in the episode? If they were for Sara and her step-father, why were they covered as if they had dead people in them?

[Deathstroke]

As Weevil said, "Lilly was the name of my little sister."

It hasn't been made crystal clear but it looks to me like I called that one. :)


Oh, I think it was pretty clear. Remember Weevil's buddy saying Weevil had tapped that ass in reference to Lilly Kane in tonight's episode.


There was also that bit at the end about a man who is willing to raise a child who isn't their own, but I don't get what Veronica was thinking when she heard that.

That's easy, she was getting a flash about her mother and Jake Kane being a lovey dovey couple. Then she remembers Duncan breaking it off with her with no explanantion. Jake Kane is quite possibly Veronica's biological father.



And what was up with the two covered medical cots in the episode? If they were for Sara and her step-father, why were they covered as if they had dead people in them?

I was wondering about that myself. A stumper or continuity error?

[Rabid Trekkie]

I liked this episode, haven't seen a bad one yet (though I didn't see all of last weeks but I have it on tape). It was cool to see Logan (think that was his name) and Weevil teaming up. That prank was priceless!

I still don't think that Lilly and Weevil were brother and sister. I think he was really in love with her. He looked like he was lying when he told Logan that his sister's name was Lilly.

I hope it doesn't turn out that Veronica was Jake Kane's daughter, though it would make sense as to why whatshisname broke up with her before Lilly died.

Oh and the mystery with the pregnant lady was good.

[Deathstroke]

Lilly's not Weevil's sister, that was Weevil lying to cover up the fact he had been with her.

[LtMarvel]

I liked this episode, haven't seen a bad one yet (though I didn't see all of last weeks but I have it on tape). It was cool to see Logan (think that was his name) and Weevil teaming up. That prank was priceless!

I hope it doesn't turn out that Veronica was Jake Kane's daughter, though it would make sense as to why whatshisname broke up with her before Lilly died.
Oh and the mystery with the pregnant lady was good.
The prank reminded me of an issue of Welcome Back, Kotter. Ebstien decided to become a big practical joker, so he put the principal's car inside the principals office via removing (and then replacing) the large pane of glass. The principal was so upset and convinced that they used the door that he rammed the car through the door at high speed, ruining the car (which was slightly wider than the door frame).

It was that issue I learned the secret of the henweigh....

Anyway, we learn more than Veronica knows about the big victim (Weevil's relationship). I'm not sure that's a good thing. We should, like any good noir, find out along with the main character. That's the way mysteries should be solved...in front of us, not by ourselves.

[Slayven]

man who ISN"T connected to the murder some way.

[Patman]

Will self-absorbed Logan actually check and see if Weevil has a sister named Lily?

I hope this mystery doesn't turn into fodder for a Jerry Springer episode.

[Spastic Minnow]

Lilly's not Weevil's sister, that was Weevil lying to cover up the fact he had been with her.

Not as I see it. The "lie" was a half truth. Lily is weevil's half-sister, he just wasn't telling Logan that they were the same person. That's why it seemed like he was covering something up. Think about it, He's not really the kind of guy to deny that he was with a girl, and as he told his friend who accused him of it, "it wasn't like that." But for some reason he does have to keep the secret that she was his sister, probably made a promise to someone and he keeps his word.

[Slappy san]

The only problems with the ep are the cots and the secret of the father. It was obvious as all hell the second the guy showed up.

[Deathstroke]

Not as I see it. The "lie" was a half truth. Lily is weevil's half-sister, he just wasn't telling Logan that they were the same person. That's why it seemed like he was covering something up. Think about it, He's not really the kind of guy to deny that he was with a girl, and as he told his friend who accused him of it, "it wasn't like that." But for some reason he does have to keep the secret that she was his sister, probably made a promise to someone and he keeps his word.

If that's the case then, Jake Kane would have quite the interesting family tree don't you think?

A son that's "his," a daughter who lives with him that's maybe only half "his" (Lilly) and a daughter that's his but calls another man Daddy.

I still think because he and Logan were sort of building a little rapport, he didn't want to get into a thing over Lilly and that's why he lied.

Plus when he told his friend "It wasn't like that..." I think it was because the friend thought he was just banging her. My guess would be that he was in love with her rather than strictly a sex type thing.

Oh, and one thing I remembered finding weird is that there was really no mention of the events of last episode when Veronica and her father realized the evidence that convicted the guy on death row of Lilly's murder didn't match up.

I would have thought that was something that would most definitely have been carried over to this week.

[Spastic Minnow]

If that's the case then, Jake Kane would have quite the interesting family tree don't you think?

A son that's "his," a daughter who lives with him that's maybe only half "his" (Lilly) and a daughter that's his but calls another man Daddy.

No, I don't buy that Veronica is Jake's daughter. Maybe her dad's comment about how hard it is to love a child that isn't yours made her realize why Mrs. Kane was always so hostile to Lily, she wasn't hers.

Oh, and one thing I remembered finding weird is that there was really no mention of the events of last episode when Veronica and her father realized the evidence that convicted the guy on death row of Lilly's murder didn't match up.

I would have thought that was something that would most definitely have been carried over to this week.

Yeah, that was definitely the first thing in my head as the episode started - How they gonna handle that!? It almost makes me wonder it the episodes are out of order. But on the other hand they did the same thing with the traffic ticket, dropped a huge clue and then didn't mention it for weeks.

[Deathstroke]

Yeah, that was definitely the first thing in my head as the episode started - How they gonna handle that!? It almost makes me wonder it the episodes are out of order. But on the other hand they did the same thing with the traffic ticket, dropped a huge clue and then didn't mention it for weeks.

Right, so I don't think the eps are out of order.

I wonder if they are doing it on purpose to yank our chains to see how long it is before the viewers say WTF!

[Rabid Trekkie]

Right, so I don't think the eps are out of order.

I wonder if they are doing it on purpose to yank our chains to see how long it is before the viewers say WTF!

Well we could find out later on that between episodes they were making sure they had all their bases covered and there was absolute proof nothing was faked or messed with by them.

I mean it isn't like Mr. Mars is really trusted by the higher ups any more.

[comicaze]

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Well, according to the convicted killer, Veronica is Jake and Lillian's daughter. That would make Lily and Veronica more than friends (half - sisters?). Maybe that was the secret she was going to tell VM on the day she was murdered? It also means that Duncan and VM could be half - siblings (good thing they're no longer boyfriend/girlfriend).

Obviously, Keith knows the secret. Is that why he suspects Jake? Lillian, Jake, Mrs. Kane, and even Keith are now suspects in my book. They all would benefit by the secret staying hidden.

It was nice to meet Wallace's mom in this episode, and Keith made a great protector.

[Slayven]

enjoyed last night's ep

[Patman]

I still can't believe Tina Majorino was that little girl from Waterworld.

I do like the playful dialogue among the 3 subplots, even if Veronica does appear to be 3 faces of Veronica depending on the situation. For some reason, I liked the cutaway of zombie Veronica snacking away as Wallace gets a talking-to by his mom.

[Steve]

I still can't believe Tina Majorino was that little girl from Waterworld.
Same here.

But that chick who played Meg, the cheerleader was pretty cute.

[Slayven]

I still can't believe Tina Majorino was that little girl from Waterworld.

I do like the playful dialogue among the 3 subplots, even if Veronica does appear to be 3 faces of Veronica depending on the situation. For some reason, I liked the cutaway of zombie Veronica snacking away as Wallace gets a talking-to by his mom.
that was her??? no wonder she looked famaliar. them set lights do wonders

[Slayven]

i think it is pretty safe to say some one is going to be someone's half bro or sis

[Deathstroke]

I still can't believe Tina Majorino was that little girl from Waterworld.

I do like the playful dialogue among the 3 subplots, even if Veronica does appear to be 3 faces of Veronica depending on the situation. For some reason, I liked the cutaway of zombie Veronica snacking away as Wallace gets a talking-to by his mom.


I did mention her casting in my column a couple weeks back.

[Deathstroke]

I thought the show was pretty damn good. I loved Keith freaking out the freak.

Wow, that was some awesome ending with Koontz and Veronica, huh?

So as it looks, Veronica's father is not her "dad."

She was dating her brother, and best friends with her sister.

My guess is that Lilly found out the truth and was going to tell Veronica. Someone didn't want that and killed her.

Was it her father, who didn't want to acknowledge the unwanted child.

Mrs. Kane who knows that Veronica was Jake's first child.

Could Veronica's mother or even her father have killed Lilly to keep the secret?

What did Lilly mean in that flashback where she said she's "never not had sex?" Someone molesting her, who could that be?

This show is easily my favorite of the new season.

Oh, and whoever it was that came up with the idea of Kristen Bell in a cheerleader outfit, you have my undying gratitude.

[TitoJones]

This show is easily my favorite of the new season.

Oh, and whoever it was that came up with the idea of Kristen Bell in a cheerleader outfit, you have my undying gratitude.

I still think her "game girl" outfit was better.

Anyway after going to the "Best New Show" Thread and hearing all the kudos for this show, I decided to download a few episodes to see if I would like it or not.

And am I glad I did, it knocks 'Lost' and 'Kevin Hill' out of my top spots, and have downloaded every episode thus far. I was also glad to find out that she was of age and that I wasn't a dirty old perv.

[Deathstroke]

I still think her "game girl" outfit was better.

Anyway after going to the "Best New Show" Thread and hearing all the kudos for this show, I decided to download a few episodes to see if I would like it or not.

And am I glad I did, it knocks 'Lost' and 'Kevin Hill' out of my top spots, and have downloaded every episode thus far. I was also glad to find out that she was of age and that I wasn't a dirty old perv.

Glad to hear that you are hooked Tito!

Oh, and don't get me wrong, I loved the Game Girl outfit as well, but my tastes are relatively mainstream. Meesa LOVE cheerleader outfits on 24 year old nubile blondes.

[Magneto_X]

Just watched my first ep last week (the one where Veronica had to find her missing neighbour) and I'm hooked as well.


Kristen Bell definitely has a great future ahead of her as an actress. Hopefully she'll have the type of luck Jennifer Garner has had.

I normally prefer brunettes, but Kristen is *hot*. :)

[Steve]

Kristen Bell was the reason why I even tried the show out in the first place. But I ended up getting hooked too.

[TitoJones]

I normally prefer brunettes, but Kristen is *hot*. :)

As long as she keeps her short, I'll agree with you. I hate seeing her with that long hair during the flashbacks.

[Deathstroke]

As long as she keeps her short, I'll agree with you. I hate seeing her with that long hair during the flashbacks.

While I like the long hair in the flashbacks (sue me I dig women with long hair), the shorter style of present day far suits her better.

[Slappy san]

The reason her hair looks so bad in the flashbacks is.....they are really awful wigs.

[LtMarvel]

If Veronica and her ex-boyfriend are half-siblings, that means that the mothers were preggers at roughly the same time (they are classmates, right?).

[Magneto_X]

Lt.Marvel: Did Veronica and her ex ever have sex with each other? There's some Jerry Springer-type stuff, right there!

[Deathstroke]

Lt.Marvel: Did Veronica and her ex ever have sex with each other? There's some Jerry Springer-type stuff, right there!

It seems unknown at this point.

Remember she lost her virginity in a rape situation, but doesn't know who, or for that matter, how many, were involved.

[Steve]

They never showed her peeking in the envelope before shredding it, but I guess the who's my daddy storyline is over, for now.

Holly Mills looks yummy.

[LtMarvel]

If Veronica still has feelings for her ex, she should've peeked.

[Spastic Minnow]

The shredding of the test results was just plain stupid. Holding onto a mystery unnecessarily.

[comicaze]

I find it hard to believe that they brought up the whole paternity thing and then just get rid of it so quickly. I agree with LtMarvel that, even if she didn't want to know for herself and knew she was going to stay with Keith, she should have at least looked to put any feelings for Duncan behind her.

I believe this was the first "pro-cult" epsisode of a TV series that I've ever seen, and that was a little disquieting. I understand why VM would be attracted to a "Bizarro world" version of the harassment she faces in Neptune, but I couldn't understand not reporting the runaway. Yes, she may be better off with the cult than being abused in foster homes but isn't that a moral judgment that Keith said he doesn't make? He earlier said that he just works for the client. If he's capable of being swayed by his teenage daughter, then he's not as tough as he needs to be, IMHO.

[Deathstroke]

I liked the beginning of the episode, I thought it was note perfect.

The whole cult story was a tad boring if you ask me.

Who really cared if they were a cult or benign community? I didn't.

Getting rid of the test results makes sense if Veronica decided that her dad IS her father no matter the blood work. However, the way this was handled was far too quick.

They should've dragged it out a couple of episodes.

Oh, and why did they bother casting Sydney Tamiia Poitier on the show, she's hardly on it.

[comicaze]

"An Echolls Family Christmas"

Nice to see Weevil back playing a major part in this episode. Nice to see Lisa Rinna anywhere (even if we had to imagine the skinny dipping scene :) )...she looked great in that outfit in Keith's office!

O.K., back to the episode. Were we supposed to know the movie star guy and the butler's son? That was kinda confusing to me how they just seemed to have "popped up" without us being introduced to them (that I can remember). The best parts of the poker plot for me were Veronica winning the money for her dad's gift and how the 09ers were also watching the same Christmas special VM and her dad were.

Smallville's Dr. Bryce was fine in a guest spot that was basically just a cameo. Maybe we'll see more of her as the cliffhanger resolves itself. Speaking of the 'Ville, Mr. Echoll's predicament reminded me of Lex's in a recent episode (the one where he slept with someone at his law firm, forgot about it, and was stalked by her). It seems, if the stabber isn't completely off her rocker, that Mr. and Mrs. Echoll share a view of "the help" (that they're the "invisible" people that come with the lifestyle).

Great episode to have before the hiatus because it left us with so many unanswered questions! Will Mr. Echoll's survive? What did VM and Mr. Kane talk about that we couldn't hear? What is on Duncan's laptop journal about VM?

We seemingly did get an answer about the surveillance pics of VM, that Mrs. Kane was responsible. Wonder where that leads? Could she have threatened Veronica's mom with those pics and then killed Lilly to keep the secret?

[Deathstroke]

I had to skip over what you wrote.

My UPN station was airing a Children's telethon last night. The Veronica Mars episode won't air until Saturday here.

[LtMarvel]

Ah, but is Mr. Kane smart enough to deflect attention to someone else, "proving" his innocence? Remember, this guy used to be a pretty good homicide detective in Baltimore ;)

Veronica's Dad is gonna catch hell for this one. Hired for protection, he fails at his job. Why wasn't he on the list to get in? Did someone in the family set up the kill?

Yeah, I have a hard time keeping the kids straight, too. It might help if I watch the series without my four-year old bouncing around and playing with me. :)

[comicaze]

Veronica's Dad is gonna catch hell for this one. Hired for protection, he fails at his job. Why wasn't he on the list to get in? Did someone in the family set up the kill?

That was my initial suspicion that either Mrs. Echolls or the son set Dad up. If his wife knew about the infidelity, she could have made the note herself and thrown suspicion off of her by having gone to Keith. We know the son hates him from the earlier "soup kitchen" episode, but he seemed genuinely scared when the stabbing took place. Maybe one of them did start it, but there just happened to really be a psycho after the dad too. :)

'Stroke, sorry about not putting a spoiler alert on my post. Looking forward to your thoughts on the ep, once you see it!

[Slappy san]

Lisa Rinna's lips are NASTY AS HELL.

[Donald M.]

Veronica's Dad is gonna catch hell for this one. Hired for protection, he fails at his job. Why wasn't he on the list to get in? Did someone in the family set up the kill?


Someone? If it was anyone it was his wife. She hired Keith Mars to deflect suspicion, then didn't add him to the guest list so he couldn't get into the party to stop the stabbing.

That, or the woman who stabbed Aaron somehow got access to the guest list and removed him. With all the workers around preparing the house for the party, the woman could have been skulking around the entire time and found out about Keith simply by keeping her ears open.

[Deathstroke]

'Stroke, sorry about not putting a spoiler alert on my post. Looking forward to your thoughts on the ep, once you see it!

No problem comicaze, I was just saying, not complaining.

[Loren]

With "Scrubs" being a repeat last night, I thought I'd finally give this show a shot. I can see why people like Veronica, and it's good to see Colantoni getting to do more serious work than he had on "Just Shoot Me." There was some dialogue relating to the backstory that flew over my head, but I can't really hold that against the show since the same would be true if I randomly tuned into "Lost" or "Smallville."

However, I found myself absolutely despising every single supporting cast member on this show, aside from Mr. Mars. They're all either shallow, preppy, bigoted, or outright thiefs or liars. I might have been able to forgive these faults if they'd at least been funny, but instead they were just all-around, full-of-themselves jerks. They had few if any redeeming characteristics, that I can't imagine ever tolerating in person for more than a few minutes. In fact, I hate them all so much that I'm inclined never to watch the show again.

Now did I just pick a bad episode to experiment with, or are the supporting characters always so despicable?

Loren

[Steve]

Now did I just pick a bad episode to experiment with, or are the supporting characters always so despicable?

I'd say both. The supportings are supposed to be that way. Rich, snobbish, kids/adults.

[Ugoff]

I liked the beginning of the episode, I thought it was note perfect.

The whole cult story was a tad boring if you ask me.

Who really cared if they were a cult or benign community? I didn't.

Getting rid of the test results makes sense if Veronica decided that her dad IS her father no matter the blood work. However, the way this was handled was far too quick.

They should've dragged it out a couple of episodes.

Oh, and why did they bother casting Sydney Tamiia Poitier on the show, she's hardly on it.

I agree about Veronica getting rid of the test results. THat was very lame/stupid. It's the one thing I hate about this show. Concernig Sydney Tamiia Poitier, "she's hardly on"?, try she's never on! I can't even remember seeing her first apperance or her characters name! Wonder why they let her go from Joan of Arcadia. But being African-American myself I'm not surprised by her limited screen time.

[Deathstroke]

I agree about Veronica getting rid of the test results. THat was very lame/stupid. It's the one thing I hate about this show. Concernig Sydney Tamiia Poitier, "she's hardly on"?, try she's never on! I can't even remember seeing her first apperance or her characters name! Wonder why they let her go from Joan of Arcadia. But being African-American myself I'm not surprised by her limited screen time.

She was in the second episode and in the voter fraud episode.

She is a cast regular (appears in the credits) on VM. I guess that brings a bit more cache than a recurring role on Joan of Arcadia. Though she had more to do there.

[comicaze]

IIRC, fansite Neptunesite reported recently that Sydney would be bumped back down to "recurring character" status. I went on record early on that I wished she had stayed on JoA, but now I like what that show is doing with Kevin's ex coming back into his life.

I wonder if the early plan was for Keith to get involved with Sydney's teacher character but that was, for some reason, dropped. On that front, I wish the show had given Paula Marshall's counselor character more of a chance to be the girlfriend. That seemed awfully abrupt.

I would blame Syney's diminished role on the show, while off to a great start, still finding its way in Season 1 (hopefully of many). I don't believe race had any part in it, although Wallace (the other character of color) has also had a diminshed role from what I expected. I think it's just a show finding out how many supporting characters it needs/can support. Weevil is another case in point, which I guess seems to undermine my belief that race is not the deciding factor :( . But, I can't believe that a show would hire actors of color and then fire them or reduce their roles BECAUSE they are of color.

[LtMarvel]

Now did I just pick a bad episode to experiment with, or are the supporting characters always so despicable?

LorenWell, I can see how one might see it that way. A primer:

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Weevil especially seems badder than his character has shown in past episodes (Weevil once confessed to a crime he hadn't committed to keep his framed grandmother out of jail. Another episode had him weeping at the main mystery-the death of Lilly.).

Veronica's ex is Duncan...the guy who faked being drunk...was Lilly's brother. He dumped Veronica without a word just before Lilly's murder. Veronica recently came up with evidence that he might be her half brother (Via his dad and her mom), which would explain the dumping. Duncan's actually not snobbish at all, as he expanded a program that only rewarded the elite athletes and won't put up with anyone being snobbish to other people's faces.

The other guy is Logan, Veronica's ex's best friend, was Lilly's boy friend. He is very twisted. His new "friendship" with Weevil is hard to explain. Weevil had a secret relationship with Lilly (one that only the viewer knows about). He's also abused by his father (the guy on the receiving end at the conclusion of the episode). His father is the worst of Hollywood's actors: rich and phony. You saw as much about his mother as we've seen yet.

Lilly's parents... Her dad (who Veronica had the shouting match about the photos) has been the good parent...but he was Sherrif Keith Mars' prime suspect in the murder. Lily's Mom seems more snobbish.

My, what a twisted world that surrounds Lilly's mudrer. From the UPN's website:
Veronica (Kristen Bell) actually used to be one of the popular girls, walking the halls of Neptune High with the rest of the "beautiful people." But it all came crumbling down around her after her best friend Lilly was murdered and her then-Sheriff father Keith Mars (Enrico Colantoni) was removed from office for naming Lilly's billionaire father, Jake Kane, as the lead suspect. After Jake was exonerated, the scandal cost Keith his job, his home and wife, and Veronica was ostracized by her popular friends, including her boyfriend Duncan Kane (Teddy Dunn), Lilly's brother.

We've been promised that Lilly's murder will be solved this season.

[Steve]

I really don't care for that Poitier chick. It's too bad they couldn't keep Paula Marshall.

[Patman]

Paula Marshall is the kiss of death for TV shows, so the less she's on this show, the better!

[Steve]

Paula Marshall is the kiss of death for TV shows, so the less she's on this show, the better!
So I guess you believe in curses? What a supersticious world you live in. Poor you.

[Slayven]

the lips man, i was hypnotized by them

[Slappy san]

the lips man, i was hypnotized by them

You're kidding...right?

[Slayven]

You're kidding...right?
no, my tv's picture si a bit off and it amde her look like she ahd cold sores

[Deathstroke]

"An Echolls Family Christmas"

Nice to see Weevil back playing a major part in this episode. Nice to see Lisa Rinna anywhere (even if we had to imagine the skinny dipping scene :) )...she looked great in that outfit in Keith's office!

What the hell is up with Lisa Rinna's lips? They look gross. Oh, and she was wearing a bathing suit, not skinny dipping.


O.K., back to the episode. Were we supposed to know the movie star guy and the butler's son? That was kinda confusing to me how they just seemed to have "popped up" without us being introduced to them (that I can remember).

No, I don't believe the two characters have been on before. Just players in the story is all. I doubt they will be around much.


Great episode to have before the hiatus because it left us with so many unanswered questions! Will Mr. Echoll's survive? What did VM and Mr. Kane talk about that we couldn't hear? What is on Duncan's laptop journal about VM?

We seemingly did get an answer about the surveillance pics of VM, that Mrs. Kane was responsible. Wonder where that leads? Could she have threatened Veronica's mom with those pics and then killed Lilly to keep the secret?

Whatever Veronica and Jake said to each other once we couldn't hear them, must've been the key for Jake to conclude his wife did something. I'm sure Duncan's father will survive.

All in all an excellent episode, with some very funny lines laced throughout the dialogue.

[Deathstroke]

Ah, but is Mr. Kane smart enough to deflect attention to someone else, "proving" his innocence? Remember, this guy used to be a pretty good homicide detective in Baltimore ;)

Veronica's Dad is gonna catch hell for this one. Hired for protection, he fails at his job. Why wasn't he on the list to get in? Did someone in the family set up the kill?

Yeah, I have a hard time keeping the kids straight, too. It might help if I watch the series without my four-year old bouncing around and playing with me. :)

Wait, I thought he was hired to investigate, not protect.

[Deathstroke]

Lisa Rinna's lips are NASTY AS HELL.

Looks like plastic surgery gone beserk. I didn't think much of her before but now she looks like something that would scare the children on Halloween.

[LtMarvel]

It must've been that lipstick venom I saw on Bravo's Entertainment Weekly special. Enough poison in it to make your lips swell up like they were stung....

ewwwwwww.

[comicaze]

What the hell is up with Lisa Rinna's lips? They look gross. Oh, and she was wearing a bathing suit, not skinny dipping.

Her lips are supposed to be big, but they did look a little chapped in this episode. Didn't diminish my enjoyment in seeing her! Oh, and I knew she wasn't really skinny dipping (since this isn't on HBO), but that's what one of the horny teens wished it was :) and I couldn't really make anything out either way from her silhouette.

[Deathstroke]

I'm wondering if they kill off Logan's father if that will make Logan any more likeable.

[LtMarvel]

No one's going to be likeable as long as they are a suspect in Lilly's death.

[Deathstroke]

So who watched the new episode tonight?

I thought it was excellent.

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I loved the ending taunt from Veronica to the Kane security chief. I can't wait to see how that takes off.

The plot about Veronica digging up dirt on kid's parents was at first amusing, and then when the bomb dropped about Mac's background it became very intriguing.

I don't know about you but if I had a sister I had never known about before, I'd be wanting to change that. The whole situation completely sucks, and what's up with the mother who left Mac with the her "parents." Suddenly now she cares enough to check up on her?

Next week's episode has the potential to be kind of cheesy but I'm hoping that's not the case.

[Slappy san]

Goddamn those people look like they were related to the actress. Especially the little kid. Great ep.

[LtMarvel]

Such a smart episode. They bring back a student (yay) from another episode. You see her checking out the house to see a "what if" or perhaps "what should've been" and then show her leaving with her own family, a very nice loving one! Even if camping isn't her number one thing, this has to be a great family outing. Isn't it typical for a teenager to complain about her life v. someone else's, no matter how great her life is?

Veronica: "Game on."

Oh, yeah.

[Steve]

I hope they make Mac a regular somewhere down the line seeing as how Sydney Poitier (black chick) hardly makes an appearance at all.

[Deathstroke]

I hope they make Mac a regular somewhere down the line seeing as how Sydney Poitier (black chick) hardly makes an appearance at all.

They've got a supporting cast that they seem to have problems working into the episodes already.

While it would be nice to see more of Tina Majorino, I don't think Mac will be anything more than possibly a recurring character.

[Steve]

Recurring is better than nothing, so I'll take it.

[Deathstroke]

Recurring is better than nothing, so I'll take it.

Considering how well she grew up, yeah I agree.

Oh, and I love the blue streak in the hair thing as well.

[Spastic Minnow]

If you had a quick eye you might have seen something I was sure they were going to make a point of. At the end of the episode Mac goes off on a close family vacation together, but in the glamorous world vacation photos of Madison, she was alone in every one of them.

[Deathstroke]

If you had a quick eye you might have seen something I was sure they were going to make a point of. At the end of the episode Mac goes off on a close family vacation together, but in the glamorous world vacation photos of Madison, she was alone in every one of them.

She may have been alone in the photos, but that could've just been the parents taking the photo.

[Donald M.]

She may have been alone in the photos, but that could've just been the parents taking the photo.

It only takes one person to take a photo, and Madison has a younger sister.

[comicaze]

Am I the only one who thought this ep was shown completely out of order and apropo of nothing? I was waiting for the payoff to the cliffhanger about the stabbing...did I miss something?

However, this ep was fine and Tina (Mac) had an interesting plot. I agree with Slappy San about the casting of Mac's real mom and sister. The resemblance was SO striking that they could have done that scene without dialogue. I'm sure it was cast that way so the audience could feel the mother's shock at her realization...because it's one thing to know you have a child out there that you've never seen, and another to actually have her walk into your house. Conversely, Mac's "nachos and NASCAR" mom and Madison had the same striking resemblance. Wouldn't mind seeing more of this storyline.

[Deathstroke]

It only takes one person to take a photo, and Madison has a younger sister.

And Madison is a spoiled bitch who could want nothing to do with said younger sister.

I didn't say I was right, I was offering up a theory.

[LtMarvel]

The big point, how the vacation pictures differed from the closeness of Mac's family piling in the camper, is still a valid one.

Great episode.

[Spastic Minnow]

Am I the only one who thought this ep was shown completely out of order and apropo of nothing? I was waiting for the payoff to the cliffhanger about the stabbing...did I miss something?

The show does that alot. At the end of an episode something big happens, a big revelation is revealed and the next episode it's parially or completely ignored. It's a weird way to handle the series.

I think it's an effort to make each episode welcoming to new viewers. If you directly start off with a continuation of a previous plot point it alienates someone trying to watch it for the first time. So, while the season does build on itself each episode does seem to stand up pretty well on it's own. Have you noticed how they save most of the Lily Kane murder stuff until late in the episodes? And Veronica's narrations are constantly stating quick rehashes of previous plot points for new viewers.

When they do get on with revealing the results of the stabbing it'll most likely be a secondary point presented in the episode, as organically integrated into the main action as possible.

[Patman]

This episode was supposed to be shown before "The Eccles Christmas" episode a few weeks ago.

[Slayven]

This episode was supposed to be shown before "The Eccles Christmas" episode a few weeks ago.
why was it out order?

[LtMarvel]

Another strong outing.

I wasn't clear: Did Lily's boyfriend accuse Veronica of making out with him or telling Lily that he made out with someone (or both).

The other confessions: I was glad that Veronica has discovered Lily's secret boyfriend. And I was shocked to learn that Veronica's ex-boyfriend is on some behavior-controlling drugs.

Veronica had a fool for her client: She busted the guy who framed her. The ending to this storyline was oh so clever. Having the sheriff read, "Veronica Mars is smarter than me." was great fun. Even the red herring hunt of the Tridents was huge fun, with the "Say 'Repressed homosexuality!'" line and making Veronica sing at the bar.

Gee, does the boy get his psychotic tendancies from the mom or the dad: The B storyline of who is getting the photos to the tabloids ended in a huge shocker. Can't wait for the next new episode!!!!

[Deathstroke]

Another strong outing.

I wasn't clear: Did Lily's boyfriend accuse Veronica of making out with him or telling Lily that he made out with someone (or both).

He accused her of telling Lily that he kissed some other girl.



And I was shocked to learn that Veronica's ex-boyfriend is on some behavior-controlling drugs.

They showed in an earlier episode that he was on those drugs.

The show was once again fantastic. Logan's reaction to his father threatening his mother was interesting. And how about that ending!

Man, that's gonna be one interesting explanation.

[Steve]

For those interested, next week, they will repeat the pilot.

[Morrolan]

Well im a little late on this thread but i just want to say that i love this show. No show on tv keeps m interest better than Veronica Mars. The latest episode was excellent.

[Indigo Al]

Another strong outing.

And I was shocked to learn that Veronica's ex-boyfriend is on some behavior-controlling drugs.



Are they all behavior controlling drugs? Maybe he has another illness in conjunction with depression.

I'm not convinced ole Melrose Place Fish Lips bought the farm. I bet we'll see her again - maybe she's rooming with Veronica's mom? ;)

[Deathstroke]

For those interested, next week, they will repeat the pilot.

I will probably tape it and watch House.

[Steve]

I will probably tape it and watch House.
House is on next week?

Last I checked, the 2 hour premiere of American Idol will take the 8-10 pm timeslot on FOX next week. I think that's why UPN is showing a repeat of VM.

[Steve]

The ending to this storyline was oh so clever. Having the sheriff read, "Veronica Mars is smarter than me." was great fun.

That was awesome.

[comicaze]

Always good IMHO to see Paula Marshall back as the guidance counselor. I know she has a reputation as a show-killer, but I'm not worried. Wish they hadn't given up on her relationship with Keith so fast, and it made sense to use her already established character for this ep.

The thing that struck me was how little VM knew about people she considers/considered friends (Lilly's fling with Weevil, Duncan's medications, Logan's blaming her for breaking him and Lilly up and her death).

[Steve]

Ah yes. We must not forget about that delicious looking Paula Marshall.

[Deathstroke]

House is on next week?

Last I checked, the 2 hour premiere of American Idol will take the 8-10 pm timeslot on FOX next week. I think that's why UPN is showing a repeat of VM.

Hmmmm...I thought it was next week, maybe it's the week after. The weeks are running together lately.

Sorry about that, didn't mean to tease you into arousal. LOL! :D

[Deathstroke]

Ah yes. We must not forget about that delicious looking Paula Marshall.

I simply wanted someone to smack her character. What an annoying pain in the ass. If I was any of the characters I'd have walked out.

[Steve]

Hmmmm...I thought it was next week, maybe it's the week after. The weeks are running together lately.

Sorry about that, didn't mean to tease you into arousal. LOL! :D
No worries.

That show doesn't even arouse me one bit. I dropped it already.

[Steve]

I simply wanted someone to smack her character. What an annoying pain in the ass. If I was any of the characters I'd have walked out.
Even so, she was doing her job, to get them to talk. Them walking out or holding it in won't help them any.

[Slappy san]

For those interested, next week, they will repeat the pilot.

Crap!!!

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[Deathstroke]

Alyson Hannigan will guest star on the February 22nd episode of the show as Trina Echolls. The role is for one episode, but it could become recurring.

[Deathstroke]

Just a reminder: An all new episode of Veronica Mars is on tonight! Guest starring Anthony Anderson.

[Ugoff]

Just a reminder: An all new episode of Veronica Mars is on tonight! Guest starring Anthony Anderson.

This show is so good! Tonights episode was off the chain. This show is really hardcore. If this show gets cancelled something is wrong with America. LOL. The commercials for this show before it even aired it's first episode dont do the show justice. I was really not interested in ever watching this show but somehow I started watching and I'm glad I did.

[Deathstroke]

The show was decent. I figured it out halfway through.

The only problem I had with it was expecting the viewer to buy Anthony Anderson as a Suge Knight-like record producer.

The ending was pretty good. I also liked how Logan and his dad were talking about his sister, who'll show up soon and be played by the ever lovely Alyson Hannigan.

[LtMarvel]

I, too, figured out the mystery. Still, it was a good episode.

[comicaze]

I'm very impressed with the complexity the writers and the actor playing Logan have given this character. Yes, he's a psycho at times...but he's not all bad. Other times (especially in this ep), he's been very human and sympathetic. Given what we know about his family (especially Dad), his craziness is understandable to me.

Maybe this is only me (with my fondness for Lisa Rinna showing through), but is/was there something incestual between Logan and his mom? I kinda get that creepy vibe when he stands up for her so vigorously. Oh, and I never believed her character was dead. Too convenient.

[Deathstroke]

I'm very impressed with the complexity the writers and the actor playing Logan have given this character. Yes, he's a psycho at times...but he's not all bad. Other times (especially in this ep), he's been very human and sympathetic. Given what we know about his family (especially Dad), his craziness is understandable to me.

Maybe this is only me (with my fondness for Lisa Rinna showing through), but is/was there something incestual between Logan and his mom? I kinda get that creepy vibe when he stands up for her so vigorously. Oh, and I never believed her character was dead. Too convenient.

The only creepy vibe I get about Lisa Rinna is when I have to see that disasterpiece she calls her lips.

[LtMarvel]

Another great episode. This time, I didn't have it figured out. Dad busting Veronica for snooping in the safe was hilarious!

As for the ongoing subplots: The cop Veronica fell for! That was a wow.

So was what Veronica told the confessed "killer"!

The suicide footage was convincing...but why change the evidence just two seconds later?

Next week: Willow!

[Deathstroke]

Last night's episode was excellent.

I liked the balance between looking for Logan's mom and the main case about the creep teacher.

Nice to see Veronica got the teacher at the end.

Oh man, my mom and I really laughed when Veronica got hit with the ink in the set up by her dad. His comments to her after she was trying to clean it off was pretty funny as well.

Her verbal bitchslap of Abel Koontz was a "You get Him, Girl!" moment.

I loved how the cop was stupified how she knew so much about the Lily Kane murder.

I'm can't wait to see how they resolve the murder plot.

Alyson Hannigan on Veronica Mars next week should be great. Talk about a potential for sarcastic one liners.

[Patman]

The episode showcased Veronica's tenacity and guile. But I loved the exploding "dye" pack in the safe. LOL funny. Also, when Veronica found out she got played, she went right back and nuked the history teacher back to the stone age. Don't be messing with Ms. Mars. Of course, the story structure is one we've seen a million times, but still a slightly fresh spin based on the strength of Veronica's personality and perserverance.

So how crazy is Duncan? So far, I guess whatever he takes is keeping him even-keel for now.

Can't wait for next week.

[Rabid Trekkie]

The episode showcased Veronica's tenacity and guile. But I loved the exploding "dye" pack in the safe. LOL funny. Also, when Veronica found out she got played, she went right back and nuked the history teacher back to the stone age. Don't be messing with Ms. Mars. Of course, the story structure is one we've seen a million times, but still a slightly fresh spin based on the strength of Veronica's personality and perserverance.

So how crazy is Duncan? So far, I gues