The Official LOST Season 1 Thread!

[Puffy Treat]

Interesting...on another forum I frequent with an active "Lost" discussion, someone had an alternate take on what the person Boone contacted said:

Not "There were no survivors" but "We're the survivors"...

Could it be Faith was right that her husband is still alive after all?

[Steve]

Also, apparantly Lost and DH are being brought back early this summer because ABC wants more than the standard 22 episodes.

Where'd you get this? What's you source?

In other news, David Fury leaves Lost (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=0&id=30738).

Good episode last night.

[borateen]

I actually started crying during that montage at the end. Cannot wait for May!!!

My wife cried to.

[Ryan K]

In other news, David Fury leaves Lost (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=0&id=30738).


That kinda sucks.

BTW, anybody got a link to any of Somerhaulder's comments about being killed off.

[borateen]

By the way, according to the Ask Ausiello column, the actor playing Boone took being killed off quite badly.

Did he say anything you'd want to copy and paste over here?

[Steve]

Did he say anything you'd want to copy and paste over here?
Here ya go. Has some spoiler in it so I'll tag it.


Question: We've gone two weeks without Lost scoopage. Have you no mercy? — Mandy

Ausiello: OK, here's some scoop, er, I mean, inside dope: The soon-to-be-whacked castaway will be back next season in one form or another. And the actor/actress behind said castaway took the news of his/her character's passing badly. Very badly.

[StoneGold]

Here ya go. Has some spoiler in it so I'll tag it.


Question: We've gone two weeks without Lost scoopage. Have you no mercy? — Mandy

Ausiello: OK, here's some scoop, er, I mean, inside dope: The soon-to-be-whacked castaway will be back next season in one form or another. And the actor/actress behind said castaway took the news of his/her character's passing badly. Very badly.


Seems pretty obvious he'll be back. For one thing, there's been no flashbacks for Shannon. But I figure the Island will do something with him, one way or another.

[Grant]

Not "There were no survivors" but "We're the survivors"...

Could it be Faith was right that her husband is still alive after all?

You know I watched that episode again and I thought heard "we're the survivors" too. Maybe Faith's husband and the other survivors are at black rock.

[GremlinClr]

You know I told myself that I could give a rats ass about Boone dying but I kinda got a little emotional when it happened and when Shannon broke down at the end.

Did we know Jack was married before this? I don't remember hearing anything.

[Spiff]

I'm in complete shock and disbelief. All this time the main rumor was that Claire was the one to bite it. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that the internet was wrong.

I was expecting something more substantial with the flashback. Heck, I thought it was going to explain WHY Jack had trouble letting things go (I assumed his wife was going to bite it, which is still possible in the future). Any more astute watchers remember Jack fiddling around with his wedding ring anytime before?

[Toonimator]

Maybe Faith's husband and the other survivors are at black rock.
ROSE! Her name is Rose!

[Elias Bogan]

L. Scott Caldwell who plays Rose is currently working on a play back in the states but I hope that she returns next season. Her character could have been instrumental in the birth of Claire's baby and if they add any new regulars next season I hope its her to up the female population of mains.

[bert]

Seems pretty obvious he'll be back. For one thing, there's been no flashbacks for Shannon. But I figure the Island will do something with him, one way or another.


He's back for the THREE HOUR (1 hour part one, and then a 2 hour part 2) Finale. . . it's going to have flashbacks for every major character, and we will see what went on in the Airport prior to the plane taking off.




. . . .


and I heard "there were no surviviors" on the radio. . not "we're the survivors". . . but it could have been played that way to be confusing to the viewers.

[Arune Singh]

ROSE! Her name is Rose!

She's one of the Golden Girls? ;)

[Puffy Treat]

Sorry, the character's name is Rose. I just got confused between saying her name and her (current) defining personality trait: Her faith that her husband is alive. Heh. :D

[hulahulk]

He's back for the THREE HOUR (1 hour part one, and then a 2 hour part 2) Finale



A three hour tour, a three hour tour...


Coincidence?:p

[hulahulk]

You know I told myself that I could give a rats ass about Boone dying but I kinda got a little emotional when it happened and when Shannon broke down at the end.

Did we know Jack was married before this? I don't remember hearing anything.


I don't think we knew anything as far as what was revealed in previous episodes.

[Predator]

It's funny how this show can suddenly make you care about characters you previously didn't care about. Until his death, I was pretty "eh" about Boone. But his death was done in a way that had meaning. I didn't really care about Jin for the longest time and picked him as my finale death, but after his flashback I didn't want him to die; I actually felt empathy for the guy.

And who could Locke be talking to right now? Ghosts? Aliens? God? I am eagerly awaiting the answer.

[Grant]

I don't think we knew anything as far as what was revealed in previous episodes.


I think it was hinted at very early on. I remember something was mentioned. Maybe when Kate saw his tattoos. I was always under the impression he was divorced for some reason.

[Grant]

ROSE! Her name is Rose!

You know when Puffy Treat said Faith I had a feeling it was wrong but I was too lazy to check and correct him.

[hulahulk]

I think it was hinted at very early on. I remember something was mentioned. Maybe when Kate saw his tattoos. I was always under the impression he was divorced for some reason.

The tattoo thing rings a bell, now that ya mention it. Perhaps a bit 'net surfing will provide some info....

[Toonimator]

You know when Puffy Treat said Faith I had a feeling it was wrong but I was too lazy to check and correct him.
I just wanted to nip it in the bud, before it got outta hand ;)

I wonder how "badly" IS took the news of Boone's impending death? And was he relieved when he found out he'd get to return a bunch?

[Grant]

I just wanted to nip it in the bud, before it got outta hand ;)

I wonder how "badly" IS took the news of Boone's impending death? And was he relieved when he found out he'd get to return a bunch?

NY Post quotes the Entertainment Weekly article (http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/23023.htm) But apparently ABC/Touchstone gave him a good deal. I don't think they do that everytime the whack someone on The Sopranos.

[Elias Bogan]

Who do you all think will be on each "trible" at the end of the season and during season 2????

My picks:

Jack's team=Jake, Shannon, Sayid, Sun, Michael, Sawyer, Hurley

Locke's team=Locke, Claire and baby, Charlie, Jin, Walt, Kate

[Grant]

Who do you all think will be on each "trible" at the end of the season and during season 2????

My picks:

Jack's team=Jake, Shannon, Sayid, Sun, Michael, Sawyer, Hurley

Locke's team=Locke, Claire and baby, Charlie, Jin, Walt, Kate

I'm concerned about "out of focus castaway" #3. Where is his allegiances? He's definately a wild card to watch out for.

I don't know it sounds right. Sayid I think is more likely to side with Locke. We'll find out in his episode in two weeks ugh... Good thing we're getting four episode after the break and two hours in the final episode.

[Slappy san]

I almost teared up. :)

[Loren]

Interesting...on another forum I frequent with an active "Lost" discussion, someone had an alternate take on what the person Boone contacted said:

Not "There were no survivors" but "We're the survivors"...

They ran a "Lost" ad during "Desperate Housewives" tonight, and it was unmistakable: the voice said "We're the survivors."

Loren

[Slappy san]

They ran a "Lost" ad during "Desperate Housewives" tonight, and it was unmistakable: the voice said "We're the survivors."

Loren


I just played that part 3 times and I can't tell which it is. Too bad I dont have captions.

[GremlinClr]

They ran a "Lost" ad during "Desperate Housewives" tonight, and it was unmistakable: the voice said "We're the survivors."

Loren

Well, I can't vouch for that as I didn't see the promo but I taped the original show and the Close Captions say "There were no survivors."

And even without the CC, thats what I thought it sounded like I just turned on the CC to make sure.

[Loren]

Just to get a second opinion, I went over to the Television Without Pity board for Lost. And there are already three people there who heard the same thing I did. One of them even pointed out that the voice was louder and clearer than before.

Loren

[Grant]

Just to get a second opinion, I went over to the Television Without Pity board for Lost. And there are already three people there who heard the same thing I did. One of them even pointed out that the voice was louder and clearer than before.

Loren

I heard the same thing. Put me in the "we're the Survivors" Camp.

And Television Without Pity rocks the casbah. My number one stop for top notch tv summaries and sarcasm.

[Justin D.]

I heard the same thing. Put me in the "we're the Survivors" Camp.

I didn't hear it, but I don't doubt it. The question now is what that means exactly. There are survivors somewhere else? Rose at the beginning of the season did say she wasn't mourning her husband's death because she didn't think he was dead. She said something like, "He's out there" and that was almost forgotten by a lot of people. I think we're going to meet a whole lot of other survivors in the last episode.

[adamthered]

On an add during Desperate Housewives, it clearly said "we're." It was much more clear than in the episode so I think they may have tweaked it a bit because I don't remember it being that crisp on the show.

[Arune Singh]

On an add during Desperate Housewives, it clearly said "we're." It was much more clear than in the episode so I think they may have tweaked it a bit because I don't remember it being that crisp on the show.

There was also a line in the new EW where they basically say that Boone contacted the other survivors.

[Slappy san]

On an add during Desperate Housewives, it clearly said "we're." It was much more clear than in the episode so I think they may have tweaked it a bit because I don't remember it being that crisp on the show.

It absolutely had to have been. You couldnt hear what they said clearly in the ep.

[Deathstroke]

Rather than run the scheduled repeat on April 24th, Lost will air a clip show that will catch viewers up on the show so far. It's called Lost: The Journey and it will show the character back stories in chronological order and explore the island.

[blackdragon6]

is their gonna be a new episdode today?..............cause i have noticed they kinda have been milking the reruns lately.

[DMike]

Nope, tonight's the Michael/Walt episode.

[ghostrider666]

The new episodes start on the 30th!

Mar 30th: (All-New!) Dues Ex Machina
Apr 06th: (All-New!) Do No Harm
Apr 13th: (All-New!) The Greater Good
Apr 20th: (repeat) Pilot-part.I.
Apr 27th: (repeat) Pilot-part.II.
May 04th: (All-New!) Born to Run
May 11th: (All-New!) Episode 1.23
May 18th: (All-New!) Episode 1.24 *season finale

Well, they didnt keep to the schedule. DAMN IT! I wanted a new episode tonite.
Anybody know what the new showing dates will be??

[Elias Bogan]

ghostrider666:

ABC is actually still tinkering with their may sweeps schedule and although I would rather have a new "Lost" tonight, building momentum staring April 27th with the clip show and then five new episodes in a row will help the show and ABC conquer those singing idiots over on FOX.

"Alias" is scheduled for a two hour episode on the 18th with "Eyes" finishing its spring season on the 11th. Apparantly that show is going to return breifly in June/July after the NBA Finals to wrap up its already ordered/shot new episodes. Regarding "Lost" this summer, the last I heard is that new episodes will air at 8 AND 9pm all summer long starting after the NBA Finals.

[hulahulk]

*bump*


New episode tonight! I've been going through withdrawals!

[darkkeeperjr]

Didn't jack lose that key thats around his neck :confused:

[darkkeeperjr]

Didn't jack lose that key thats around his neck :confused:
Oops never mind :o

[hulahulk]

Good show. Sayid is perhaps my favorite character.

It looks as though next week's show will be a real nailbiter.

[ghostrider666]

Awesome episode (but arent they all). Looks like Locke is becoming an outsider. More tension nexy week with the raft.
Anybody think there'll be another death before the seasons end?

[Deathstroke]

Awesome episode (but arent they all). Looks like Locke is becoming an outsider. More tension nexy week with the raft.
Anybody think there'll be another death before the seasons end?

There has been mention that there will be, but nothing concrete.

[TheOnlyXTremeFan]

In the preview for next week it seemed like Sayid was giving Locke a conspiratory look. Maybe that hatch is some kinda brainwashing thing.

[Matt K]

Good episode, I like the evolution of Michael and Walt. Not too keen on the Kate stuff, but we finally learned what's up with the plane (of course once he decided to stay in the car I knew he was going to die). Good ep, nice set up for the finale.

[Deathstroke]

Very good episode. I loved the scene with Sawyer outing Kate.

[StoneGold]

Good episode, I like the evolution of Michael and Walt. Not too keen on the Kate stuff, but we finally learned what's up with the plane (of course once he decided to stay in the car I knew he was going to die). Good ep, nice set up for the finale.
Really? I figured he was going to die pretty much from the moment he showed up. I guess that makes me what, at least 20x smarter than you? See, I'm trying to make this sound rediculously over the top pompous, so you'll realize I'm not trying to be a dick by saying that I figured it out before you did.

[Matt K]

I was kind of hoping this episode would shine some light on why Kate was a fuigitive. Also it was really harsh for that cop to be shooting at the car, especially when it could have looked like there was a hostige in the car. He didn't even shoot at the tires but at the occupants. I guess Kate must have done something pretty bad (plus there's that reaction from her Mom).


Really? I figured he was going to die pretty much from the moment he showed up. I guess that makes me what, at least 20x smarter than you? See, I'm trying to make this sound rediculously over the top pompous, so you'll realize I'm not trying to be a dick by saying that I figured it out before you did.

Thanks.

[StoneGold]

Thanks.
It didn't work, did it?

[Grant]

I was kind of hoping this episode would shine some light on why Kate was a fuigitive. Also it was really harsh for that cop to be shooting at the car, especially when it could have looked like there was a hostige in the car. He didn't even shoot at the tires but at the occupants. I guess Kate must have done something pretty bad (plus there's that reaction from her Mom).

Here's the one qualm I have about the episode (which was a pretty good one).

What did Kate do that would freak out her mom but not her married ex-boyfriend? If my violent fugitive ex-girlfriend snuck up behind me in my car I think I'd be a little less understanding then that guy.

I liked that Kate convinced Sun to poison Jin. Greg Hatcher's Kate is evil theory is playing out.

As usual the island stuff just kicks the flashbacks ass. I'm not bothered by the flashbacks because they gives some insight but I don't think they really make the show better. But it was nice to know what was up with the plane.

I kind of liked Dr. Artz. I like the idea of having an annoying high school science teacher on the island.

Best part. Locke calling Jack out for keeping secrets. It's amazing how that Locke keeps winning our sympathies back. I like Walt's little freakout. I really want to know what's in that hatch. It could be freaking Akira in that thing.

The next three episodes sound promising especialy with Danielle coming back and The Others. Sounds like they are building The Other's up like the Reavers in Firefly. Maybe she should hook up with Locke and become the wacky survivalist couple.

[GammaPro]

The next three episodes sound promising especialy with Danielle coming back and The Others. Sounds like they are building The Other's up like the Reavers in Firefly. Maybe she should hook up with Locke and become the wacky survivalist couple.

I though that, after last nite's, there were only TWO episodes left. Which is it?

[Puffy Treat]

What did Kate do that would freak out her mom but not her married ex-boyfriend? If my violent fugitive ex-girlfriend snuck up behind me in my car I think I'd be a little less understanding then that guy.



Maybe he thought she was innocent of the charges?

Or maybe he even knew the true story of what's up with her...which it looks like we'll be teased about until next season.

[fly on the wall]

I was kind of hoping this episode would shine some light on why Kate was a fuigitive. Also it was really harsh for that cop to be shooting at the car, especially when it could have looked like there was a hostige in the car. He didn't even shoot at the tires but at the occupants. I guess Kate must have done something pretty bad (plus there's that reaction from her Mom).




Thanks.

Yeah. And now we know last night's flashback occurred before the robbing-the-bank-for-the-toy-plane flashback.

But we still don't know how the toy plane will get in the safety deposit box in the bank. And we still don't know what Kate did before last night's flashback to get the cops so peeved.

[fly on the wall]

Very good episode. I loved the scene with Sawyer outing Kate.

Yeah, and then everyone shunned her. They shunned that girl so bad. It was the worst shunnin' she ever had.

I think it's funny that the Korean Girl asked Kate how she should get her husband to stay on the island,

"Why don't you try poisoning him!" said Kate.

I wouldn't ask her for advice. Hey that's a good idea, have Kate handle an advice column.

"Why don't you shoot him in the leg!"

[adamthered]

I though that, after last nite's, there were only TWO episodes left. Which is it?

The are three episodes left. However, they are showing the last two episodes in one night.

[Grant]

Maybe he thought she was innocent of the charges?

Or maybe he even knew the true story of what's up with her...which it looks like we'll be teased about until next season.

It could be. I didn't get the feeling he knew what she did. We do know Kate killed somebody though.

[GremlinClr]

It could be. I didn't get the feeling he knew what she did. We do know Kate killed somebody though.

My guess from what she said on the cassette tape about always wanting to run away is that she was sexually abused by her father and killed him. Her mother could have reacted like that because she didn't believe her husband could do something like that or there was no proof and she thinks Kate killed him in cold blood. That's my theory anyway.

[Ugoff]

My guess from what she said on the cassette tape about always wanting to run away is that she was sexually abused by her father and killed him. Her mother could have reacted like that because she didn't believe her husband could do something like that or there was no proof and she thinks Kate killed him in cold blood. That's my theory anyway.


Good theory. I think you may be right, cuz her mom really freaked. Last nights episode was very good but I didnt like that Kate's friend died. That was sad. I'm just ready for season finale! I want to see what's going to happen.

[StoneGold]

I know what's in the hatch. Bob Denver.

[Steve]

I know what's in the hatch. Bob Denver.
I was thinking more of Dr. Evil and Mini-Me.

[TCJohnson]

My guess from what she said on the cassette tape about always wanting to run away is that she was sexually abused by her father and killed him. Her mother could have reacted like that because she didn't believe her husband could do something like that or there was no proof and she thinks Kate killed him in cold blood. That's my theory anyway.

The only problem I have with this theory is that this is a show on 8pm on a network owned by Disney (but then again they had the semi-insest going on.)

I think that Kate did kill her father and she had a good reason for it, but I don't think it was sexual abuse. I think it is something we are not going to suspect.

[Spastic Minnow]

Well, Walt wants to leave the island now because his freaky kid powers tell him opening the hatch would be a bad thing. I think the raft will get out to sea and while they're out there the hatch will be opened. I think the key to the hatch opening is Hurley and his connection with the lottery numbers that are inscribed on it. And we did see him standing near the hatch in the preview. I also predict Hurley is going to die as a result of it.

[fly on the wall]

Well, Walt wants to leave the island now because his freaky kid powers tell him opening the hatch would be a bad thing. I think the raft will get out to sea and while they're out there the hatch will be opened. I think the key to the hatch opening is Hurley and his connection with the lottery numbers that are inscribed on it. And we did see him standing near the hatch in the preview. I also predict Hurley is going to die as a result of it.

I predict that you are wrong about Hurley. They can't afford to keep offing the main characters. And everyone loves Hurley.

Meanwhile, maybe you are right. They can continue to off the main characters since they can introduce new ones from the "Faceless Crowd" that aren't main characters.

[fly on the wall]

I know what's in the hatch. Bob Denver.

That was priceless. I had to laugh!

[Z-man]

Hurley's curse prevents him from dying. Only the people around him get hurt.

Also, we see everyone running from the Others in the preview, and Hurly, frankly, can't run as fast. Logically, he would die, therefore the show won't kill him.

Oooh, I hope they kill Jack!

[Ryan K]

I wonder how conscious the producers of the show are of who is seen on screen.

We, the audience, know how many survivor there are. So with a show as insanely popular as this (and a somewhat genre show), there's bound to be people out there not only catlogueing who we see named like the science teacher, but alos every extra. Extras helping build the raft. Extras at Boone's funeral. I'm curious if the producers use the same extras or not.

Cause watch. A year or two from now, after we've been introduced to more castaways like Steve and the science teacher, fanboys will be nitpicking.

[Grant]

Oooh, I hope they kill Jack!

He just might.

This USA Weekendl (http://www.usaweekend.com/05_issues/050508/050508tv_lost.html) says they are already casting new regulars. Apparently a few of the main 14 aren't going to make it to the next season.

Whether they die or disappear remains to be seen.

[hulahulk]

All I know is that I am not missing any more episodes. I am kicking myself for missing last night's show.

[Grant]

All I know is that I am not missing any more episodes. I am kicking myself for missing last night's show.

Yeah. I'm always freaking out if my VCR doesn't tape it. Knowing my luck the power will go out in my place when the finale airs.

Television without Pity (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com) writes hilarious summaries of previous episodes. Usually takes them a week to do a complete summary.

[The Xenos]

How can you miss last ngiht's ep?! It was full of Kakte yummy goodness. Man it's like you missed game seven when the Sox came back and beat the Yankees. Or at least same six. Things weren't over, but you could see things are heating up and getting good toward the finale.

Anyway, yeah, these final three eps are NOT to be missed. *faoms rabidly waiting for Wednesday nights now*

-Xenos

[Spastic Minnow]

Hurley's curse prevents him from dying. Only the people around him get hurt.

Ah, but the key to his "curse protection" is the number sequence. Once that's solved he's probably fair game. But the big reason that I think his days are marked is the simple reason that he really doesn't have any more important backstory to reveal. The biggest mystery left of his that doesn't have to do with the numbers is where his nickname "Hurley" came from. They might want to explain why he was on Korean TV but I'm not sure that's really important. No, I think he maybe gets one more hour devoted to him and dies at the end.

Actually, now that I look at the guest starring roles on the last three episodes at TVTome it looks like they not going to be specific character flashbacks at all.All the guest stars seem to be Airport people and other islanders. So I guess the flashbacks will all be about what happened in the plane and at the airport the day of the crash.

And my theory as to what the hatch leads to? I'm sure it's been theorized at some point, and though it seems silly, I think the Island is some sort of mobile ship/ ecosystem, maybe alien. The thing that keeps coming back to me is that supposedly important comic book Walt used to have and how it dealt with an alien encounter.

[Z-man]

Ah, but the key to his "curse protection" is the number sequence. Once that's solved he's probably fair game. But the big reason that I think his days are marked is the simple reason that he really doesn't have any more important backstory to reveal. The biggest mystery left of his that doesn't have to do with the numbers is where his nickname "Hurley" came from. They might want to explain why he was on Korean TV but I'm not sure that's really important. No, I think he maybe gets one more hour devoted to him and dies at the end.

Actually, we also don't know why he was in that insane asylum in order to hear the numbers,

[Spastic Minnow]

Actually, we also don't know why he was in that insane asylum in order to hear the numbers,

Good point. I had actually forgotten about that. With the rest of it, enough to fill out at least one more Hurley episode.

[Z-man]

Well, hey, Boone's sister hasn't even gotten an episode yet. Plenty of characters either do not have their backstory explored or do not have mysteries left, and they're still not dead. I see no reason to see why perrenial second banana Hurley can't remain second banana the rest of the show.

[darkkeeperjr]

Don't forget that claire's baby may be the reason they crashed on the island.
well one of them anyway.

[hulahulk]

How can you miss last ngiht's ep?! It was full of Kakte yummy goodness. Man it's like you missed game seven when the Sox came back and beat the Yankees. Or at least same six. Things weren't over, but you could see things are heating up and getting good toward the finale.

Anyway, yeah, these final three eps are NOT to be missed. *faoms rabidly waiting for Wednesday nights now*

-Xenos


I had to work.:evilangry Evil bosses!!!!

[hulahulk]

Yeah. I'm always freaking out if my VCR doesn't tape it. Knowing my luck the power will go out in my place when the finale airs.

Television without Pity (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com) writes hilarious summaries of previous episodes. Usually takes them a week to do a complete summary.


That link was great stuff, Grant. Gracias.

[Grant]

I had to work.:evilangry Evil bosses!!!!

Yeah I know the feeling. I taped every new episode since the second part of the pilot because of my occasionally unpredictable schedule. I had a complete run of episodes up until episode 13.

[Grant]

And my theory as to what the hatch leads to? I'm sure it's been theorized at some point, and though it seems silly, I think the Island is some sort of mobile ship/ ecosystem, maybe alien. The thing that keeps coming back to me is that supposedly important comic book Walt used to have and how it dealt with an alien encounter.

I'm leaning towards Akira right now. But then again I think the monster is "the force" from the Evil Dead movies.

[LtMarvel]

It's Taz, from those original Bugs/Taz cartoons.

[Conn Seanery]

Wowie-zowie. Not that I want the season to end, but what I wouldn't have given for them to have done a 3 hour season finale tonight. I can't freakin' wait for next week.

[Puffy Treat]

I don't think anyone expected The Black Rock to be _that_, did they? o_o;

[Cyke]

I don't think anyone expected The Black Rock to be _that_, did they? o_o;

Pirates and Power Rangers in the same episode. Who'd have thunk?

[hugh45]

UM...haven't watched in awhile,WTH did all those new people come from??

[blackdragon6]

they been around the show just never focus on them

[Deathstroke]

Well now, a pirate ship, I half expected to see Johnny Depp come out on the deck.

Another fine episode. Next week's two hour season finale promises to be full of one water cooler moment after another.

[Corrina]

"Best be believin' in ghost stories, missy....."

[Scottsdale_Saint]

great episode tonight...i thought the rapprochement between sun and jin was perfectly done. not too schmaltzy, and definitely brought a tear to my eye. loved how they juxtaposed the leaving the airport and leaving the island...should have seen it coming but i didn't. can't wait for the two hour finale.

[Predator]

What happened in the episode's last moments? My tape cut out right as Vincent was swimming from the shore to the raft.

[Yellowjacket]

Here is soemthing interesting regarding Sawyer's real name "James Ford"

http://www.illinoishistory.com/jamesford.html

[Yellowjacket]

Another interesting thing I found was on the ABC site for Lost and the synposis for the past episode which included some missing scenes

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/23.html

for those who don't want to go here is a brief recap:



Charlie and Claire watch Rousseau from a distance and worry. Charlie does his best to comfort the girl he cares so much for, but it's an uphill battle. Claire tells Charlie that, when she escaped from Ethan -- however she got away -- she knew they would come back for her. Charlie realizes something. "Is that why you haven't named the baby?" Claire's eyes fill with tears, but remain firmly fixed on Rousseau. She nods her answer.


Back at the beach, Claire asks Rousseau how she knows her. She can't place it, but she knows they have met before. But that's impossible, and Rousseau says as much. Claire tells her about Ethan kidnapping her, that she escaped, but she can't remember how. Rousseau ignores her and busies herself with the new hiking boots she has obviously liberated from the camp. Something seems to click inside Claire. "You saved me, didn't you? That's why I remember you, you saved me from him." Rousseau gives a quick look to Claire and then to the baby. "We have never met." And with that she walks away.


Jack and his team follow Rousseau through deep jungle until they arrive at two trees marked with faded black sashes. "La Territoire Fonce -- The Dark Territory."



We FLASHBACK to the Sydney airport and see Sayid considering that same necktie on a rack with many others. A woman is helping him decide. She asks him what he will be using it for. "I'm going to see a woman." Sayid asks her to pick it for him and she points him towards the yellow one. As she rings it up she asks the girl's name and Sayid can't help but smile when he tells her. "Nadia." And as he is lost in the emotion of finally seeing his love again, the airport police arrive and ask him if he left a bag unattended earlier. He tries to tell them that he asked someone (Shannon) to watch it for him, but they aren't hearing it and tell him he needs to come with them. "Of course I do."

[Grant]

What happened in the episode's last moments? My tape cut out right as Vincent was swimming from the shore to the raft.

Walt tells Vincent to swim bck Vincent swims to Shannon. They sail off. Then they cut quickly back to the smoke.

[Grant]

great episode tonight...i thought the rapprochement between sun and jin was perfectly done. not too schmaltzy, and definitely brought a tear to my eye. loved how they juxtaposed the leaving the airport and leaving the island...should have seen it coming but i didn't. can't wait for the two hour finale.

Tonight was a fantastic episode. The flashbacks to the airport were a nice touch. Call me Captain Obvious but I'm guessing Michelle Rodriguez is coming back. Maybe the back of the plane joined The Others.

I liked the pacing and how tense everything was. I'm curious how all this will play out in the next two hours. And damn my work schedule I'll have to watch it Thursday Morning on VHS.

I was also started getting choked up when the Raft left. I have a feeling we won't being seeing those four for a while (which makes sense. Try doing flashbacks of Walt a year or two from now).

[borateen]

I have a feeling we won't being seeing those four for a while (which makes sense. Try doing flashbacks of Walt a year or two from now).

According to the previews for next week, we'll be seeing them then.

[Grant]

According to the previews for next week, we'll be seeing them then.

Yeah but after the Season finale I'm assuming they might be MIA.

[Spastic Minnow]

I have a feeling we won't being seeing those four for a while (which makes sense. Try doing flashbacks of Walt a year or two from now).

He's already grown too much considering that the finale is only supposed to mark a symbolic "40 days" point. It does seem likely that something big will happen to Walt soon. He'll either have to die, disappear or they'll have to skip forward in time a significant amount between seasons if they want to make Walt's growth make sense.

With Claire's baby they can get away with switching them, no one would notice. But unless they've already filmed them they can't even have Walt falshbacks next year.
...Maybe they can get Emanuel Lewis to play Walt in flashbacks. :D

[Grant]

He's already grown too much considering that the finale is only supposed to mark a symbolic "40 days" point. It does seem likely that something big will happen to Walt soon. He'll either have to die, disappear or they'll have to skip forward in time a significant amount between seasons if they want to make Walt's growth make sense.

Smart thing to do is have Walt, Michael, Sawyer and Jin disappear and have them return when Walt's a teenager. Or at least have Walt return as a teenager.Then they could do flashbacks about why they disappeared.

[Super Hero Guy]

Ok, I have a question about Walt's accent. If he was living in Australia all this time was does he have a perfect American accent?

[borateen]

Ok, I have a question about Walt's accent. If he was living in Australia all this time was does he have a perfect American accent?

I would assume because his parents are American, and they probably influenced his speech patterns more than the general Australian populace would have.

[Spastic Minnow]

Ok, I have a question about Walt's accent. If he was living in Australia all this time was does he have a perfect American accent?

He wasn't in Australia the whole time. Amsterdam when he was young, then he moved to Italy(?) and IIRC in the flashback his mother said she was "new to Australian law" so they couldn't have been there terribly long either. He would have gotten his accent from his mother and stepfather and I don't think he was Australian either.

[Justin D.]

Walt tells Vincent to swim bck Vincent swims to Shannon. [They sail off.

As I watched that part with the swelling music and all the happy people, I was worried that a shark or something else would take Vincent underwater. Then, when I saw Shannon going out to get him, I thought she would get taken under too.

This damn show makes me so untrusting now.

The moment between Sun and Jin was very touching.

Also, and it may be my suspicion kicking up again, but isn't anyone else questioning the new guy Dr. Arzt, the high school science teacher. He seems just so purposely annoying, and are we suppose to just think he got mixed up so that's why he ended up in front of them when the island's "security" chased after him?

[Justin D.]

Found a quote by the guy playing Arzt at this website. (http://www.nuvo.net/archive/2005/05/11/new_character_joins_lost.html)

"But I’ll tell you that I do something in the last episode of the season that no one’s ever done on television before.”

Now, what could that be?

[kenaustin]

Also, and it may be my suspicion kicking up again, but isn't anyone else questioning the new guy Dr. Arzt, .... and are we suppose to just think he got mixed up so that's why he ended up in front of them when the island's "security" chased after him?

I surely hope they come back and explain this one. It was the only thing I didn't like about the episode. How the heck did Arzt get in FRONT of them?


Does anybody else think that Hurley's note consists of the ominous number set?

[Loren]

He wasn't in Australia the whole time. Amsterdam when he was young, then he moved to Italy(?) and IIRC in the flashback his mother said she was "new to Australian law" so they couldn't have been there terribly long either. He would have gotten his accent from his mother and stepfather and I don't think he was Australian either.

Something minor that's irked me all season is that out of 48 survivors on a Sydney-to-LA flight (or at least out of the dozen or so we've been introduced to), only *one* is actually Australian. Shouldn't there be a few more Aussies on a plane leaving their own country, and not just foreign folks returning home?

Loren

[Siddon]

Something minor that's irked me all season is that out of 48 survivors on a Sydney-to-LA flight (or at least out of the dozen or so we've been introduced to), only *one* is actually Australian. Shouldn't there be a few more Aussies on a plane leaving their own country, and not just foreign folks returning home?

Loren

They might have been on the back of the plane

[TCJohnson]

Something minor that's irked me all season is that out of 48 survivors on a Sydney-to-LA flight (or at least out of the dozen or so we've been introduced to), only *one* is actually Australian. Shouldn't there be a few more Aussies on a plane leaving their own country, and not just foreign folks returning home?

Loren

Well, out of 48 survivors, how many have we heard talk? About a third really.

[Z-man]

1. Australians on the plane: The plane does not have a random selection of people. It became obvious to me half way through the season and was directly stated in the previews for the next ep that the people on the plane were all there by some twist of fate or destiny.

2. Walt disappearing: No can do, they haven't explored his strange powers yet. I guess they'll just have to find an excuse for his aging. Or stunt his growth.

3. I think the scene where Arzt comes running was poorly done, and he was meant to be running from behind. After all, when they found out the security system was headed the other direction, they proceeded on their mission, away from the sound.

[Loren]

Well, out of 48 survivors, how many have we heard talk? About a third really.

So you're saying that it's just that all the take-charge folks are American, while the Aussies tend to hang toward the back and quietly observe? :)

And if you think about it, the only Australian we've heard from so far has been of less help to the group than anyone else (other than Shannon, that is).

I like Siddon's theory. The survivors seem to be first-class or business-class flyers. A doctor, a millionaire, a rich brother and sister. Escorted prisoners don't fly coach, I imagine. But where do the majority of everyday travellers sit? In the back, of course.

Loren

[Apathy Boy]

Hey, is it just me, or is Jack's character arc kind of complete now that he knows his father loved and respected him? Sure, we still don't know how his marriage ended, but that seems like kind of a minor detail (even in the wedding episode, Jack's relationship with his father was still the main plot point).

They wouldn't have the stones to kill Jack off, would they?

[Grant]

Hey, is it just me, or is Jack's character arc kind of complete now that he knows his father loved and respected him? Sure, we still don't know how his marriage ended, but that seems like kind of a minor detail (even in the wedding episode, Jack's relationship with his father was still the main plot point).

They wouldn't have the stones to kill Jack off, would they?

I doubt it. But they could get away with it. Sun can handle the medical aspects. Kate or Sayid could take the leadership position.

They could pretty much kill anyone on this show. As long as the replace them with interesting characters.

[Grant]

So you're saying that it's just that all the take-charge folks are American, while the Aussies tend to hang toward the back and quietly observe? :)

And if you think about it, the only Australian we've heard from so far has been of less help to the group than anyone else (other than Shannon, that is).

I like Siddon's theory. The survivors seem to be first-class or business-class flyers. A doctor, a millionaire, a rich brother and sister. Escorted prisoners don't fly coach, I imagine. But where do the majority of everyday travellers sit? In the back, of course.

Loren

That seems right. Yeah they need to increase the Aussie count. It'd be nutty if the Others were these crazed Aussie (all named Bruce) and killed a few of the castaways with boomerangs.

-Grant

[Grant]

2. Walt disappearing: No can do, they haven't explored his strange powers yet. I guess they'll just have to find an excuse for his aging. Or stunt his growth.

They actually could when he came back as teenage Walt. Or maybe we get an explanation for his powers in the finale. Who knows? I have a feeling they kind have Walt's story planned out.

[Z-man]

They actually could when he came back as teenage Walt. Or maybe we get an explanation for his powers in the finale. Who knows? I have a feeling they kind have Walt's story planned out.

Teenaged Walt won't appear until season 3650 or so, considering how these episodes go.

[Predator]

Walt tells Vincent to swim bck Vincent swims to Shannon. They sail off. Then they cut quickly back to the smoke.

Thanks Grant.

Man that was a good episode! It's interesting to see different plotlines that have appeared throughout the season to come together (Danielle seeing the hatch, the boat finally sailing, etc.). I can't wait for next week. I somehow get the feeling that Ethan may make his return in the finale.

[borateen]

I really want to see what happened to Said after he was reported for leaving his bag unattended, and if he'll find out that blondie snitched on him.

[Grant]

Teenaged Walt won't appear until season 3650 or so, considering how these episodes go.

Who knows? I know next season is suppose to be the next 40 days but they could fast forward a few years for Season 3.

Or some weird freaky Island Mojo could make all the raftaways 4 or 5 years older when they came back.

[Steve]

I thought the Jack/Sawyer revelation moment was well done. Easily my favorite scene of the epsiode.

[Grant]

I thought the Jack/Sawyer revelation moment was well done. Easily my favorite scene of the epsiode.

Yeah it was well played but I felt awkward watching it. I was expecting them to make out right after.

[Steve]

Yeah it was well played but I felt awkward watching it. I was expecting them to make out right after.
I'm thinking a deleted scene included on the DVD.

[Matt K]

I was expecting a little more from this episode but it was nicely done. I definitly didn't expect the twist. At the same time I thought we were supposed to see why the plane crashed, but that wasn't really what I wanted to know so no big deal. I definitly can't wait until next season and hopefully see what happened to the Sawyer, Michael, Jin and Walt.

[TCJohnson]

Tune in next season where we find the secret below the hatch is....ANOTHER FRICKIN' HATCH THEY WILL SPEND THE ENTIRE SEASON TRYING TO OPEN....and the RETURN OF THE SWARM OF HIGHLY ORGANIZED AND PISSED OFF GNATS!

[Deathstroke]

Wow, really good episode tonight.

Certainly a lot of stuff to think about and bring to obsessing about during the offseason.

[StoneGold]

OK, wait. The head Other. Or at least that's what I'm assuming he is. I recognize him. But damned if I know from what. Who the hell is he? I'm going to have to find a Lost board to find out, aren't I?

EDIT: Or I can just figure it out on my own. He was in the opening credits after all. Veteran character actor M.C. Gainey.

[Joe Grendel]

Heh heh heh. Oh, they were after a kid all right. It just wasn't Aaron.

That was MASTERFUL misdirection. Well damn done. This show rocks.

[LtMarvel]

And how do you get down the hatch with no ladder?

And the final fate of the science teacher...after complaining about not being in the main storyline :)

[Joe Grendel]

And how do you get down the hatch with no ladder?
Rope? Bring your own?

[Z-man]

Heh heh heh. Oh, they were after a kid all right. It just wasn't Aaron.

That was MASTERFUL misdirection. Well damn done. This show rocks.

I realized that as soon as Danielle said "The boy"

EDIT: But then why did Ethan try and get the pregnant woman?

[darkkeeperjr]

Rope? Bring your own?
there's a ladder at the top and seems to go down all the way.

[hugh45]

I don't if this just me,but do you still consider this show to be sci-fi?
I admit,I don't watch it that much like I use,but when I turn in sometimes
they spend a lot of air time on backstories.

[Z-man]

there's a ladder at the top and seems to go down all the way.

The ladder ends after the 4th rung or so.

[Z-man]

I don't if this just me,but do you still consider this show to be sci-fi?
I admit,I don't watch it that much like I use,but when I turn in sometimes
they spend a lot of air time on backstories.

There are some very definite fantasy/scifi elements to the show: The security system, the psychic, the golden child that Claire must raise herself, Locke's sudden ability to walk, Walt's ability to summon animals to him, etc.

[darkkeeperjr]

I think of it more as a mystery/soap/drama/action series.it depends on what week you're watching.

[darkkeeperjr]

The ladder ends after the 4th rung or so.


Oh, :o look like i missed that.

[CHEYENNE-BLACKBIRD]

Tune in next season where we find the secret below the hatch is....ANOTHER FRICKIN' HATCH THEY WILL SPEND THE ENTIRE SEASON TRYING TO OPEN....and the RETURN OF THE SWARM OF HIGHLY ORGANIZED AND PISSED OFF GNATS!i feel your pain..........

[J Dog]

Good Thing:

*The "Black Croc" (or whatever that Frenchie called it)
*Charlie killing Ethan Rom
*That guy throwing the ball to the dog the first time

Bad Thing:

*The "Others" (a bunch of hicks with plastic explosives)
*Ethan Rom (Guy wqent from Superman-Ninja-Dr. Doom guy to a complete weakling in the episode where Charlie makes him eat the dust)
*The dog being given the ball a millionth time

[ghostrider666]

I realized that as soon as Danielle said "The boy"

EDIT: But then why did Ethan try and get the pregnant woman?

A better question is what was Danille's connection to Ethan & why did Clair have to scratch her arm?

I'm glad to see taht the show finally comitted to its sci-fi tag. The "defence system", the black cloud thing that grabbed Locke cant be explained away as normal.

[Z-man]

*Ethan Rom (Guy wqent from Superman-Ninja-Dr. Doom guy to a complete weakling in the episode where Charlie makes him eat the dust)

All Ethan did the first time around was kick Jack's ass. He's a doctor, not a commando. The second time they came loaded for bear and kept him off balance the entire time.

[Z-man]

A better question is what was Danille's connection to Ethan & why did Clair have to scratch her arm?

Well, the first one is easy, there was no connection between Danielle and Ethan.

I thought that she was the one who actually kidnapped her. I guess she was just trying to get a bargaining position on the others.

[ghostrider666]

All Ethan did the first time around was kick Jack's ass. He's a doctor, not a commando. The second time they came loaded for bear and kept him off balance the entire time.

Not really. He carried off both Jack & Claire(if alone) thru th ejungle. Then, if you remember, after the ass kicking Ethan suffered from Jack (rather severe one at that, with Jack kneeling over him beating him repeatedly) Ethan was getting back up like 10 sec later. It was only his having 3 guns stuck in his face that he stopped. Both of these show levels of strength & endurance above human.
I also forgot to mention when Scott (Ithink his name was) was killed on the beach. Every bone in his body was broken.

[davids]

The clues are all there. Kidnapping children, abusing children, suspected pediphillia. It is obvious that the plane crashed in the lagoon of Never never ranch!

[Joe Grendel]

*The "Black Croc" (or whatever that Frenchie called it)
"Black Rock." It was written across the entire back of the slave ship.

[Joe Grendel]

I don't if this just me,but do you still consider this show to be sci-fi?
Invisible robot attackers and psychic kids is clearly sports programming.

[Joe Grendel]

Well, the first one is easy, there was no connection between Danielle and Ethan.

I thought that she was the one who actually kidnapped her. I guess she was just trying to get a bargaining position on the others.
Ethan specifically told the castaways to stop following him, because he'd kill Claire and the baby. He did kidnap her. At some point, Danielle showed up, which circles back to the previous question -- what's the connection.

[TCJohnson]

The question is wether or not Danielle was helping Ethan or wether she was trying to rescue Claire.

[Z-man]

Ethan specifically told the castaways to stop following him, because he'd kill Claire and the baby. He did kidnap her. At some point, Danielle showed up, which circles back to the previous question -- what's the connection.

Theif, rescuer, man who stole baby and mother wanting baby back, strangers who just happened to both want a pregnant woman on an island, essentially no connection.

[Z-man]

The question is wether or not Danielle was helping Ethan or wether she was trying to rescue Claire.

I don't see anything to point to a collaboration. Danielle was obviously crazy from living alone mourning her lost child these past 16 years, that's not conductive to a partnership. Plus I doubt that Claire escaping was part of Ethan's plans, so there's perfect reason to conclude that Danielle was an unexpected part of the plan.

[Super Hero Guy]

Ok, so, was the young female "Other" in the boat that throw the bomb Danielle's daughter?

[Loren]

Heh heh heh. Oh, they were after a kid all right. It just wasn't Aaron.

That was MASTERFUL misdirection. Well damn done. This show rocks.

It was certainly good, but they did cheat a little by devoting a good chunk of one episode to the psychic telling Claire all about how important her child was going to be and how crucial it was that she not give the baby up. Something is clearly important about Claire's baby; just not the importance that 'the Others' are interested in.

Loren

[Z-man]

Ok, so, was the young female "Other" in the boat that throw the bomb Danielle's daughter?

I believe she had a son.

[Z-man]

It was certainly good, but they did cheat a little by devoting a good chunk of one episode to the psychic telling Claire all about how important her child was going to be and how crucial it was that she not give the baby up. Something is clearly important about Claire's baby; just not the importance that 'the Others' are interested in.

Loren

Well, Ethan did go to all the trouble to kidnap her. And she wouldn't have jumped to the baby from "We want the boy" before the baby was born.

[hulahulk]

So still no revelations on Locke's miraculous recovery (unless he was going through a clever "faking it" routine).

The boat scene was good (could it be another Walt "creation" like the polar bear?). Sawyer shot and falling in the water, Jin going after him, and Michael also overboard.

What was the whole "thumbs up" routine between Hurley and Walt when Hurley got on the plane? Was he just happy he made it on board, or is there some connection?

[DMike]

Ok, so, was the young female "Other" in the boat that throw the bomb Danielle's daughter?

I believe she had a son.

Last week Danielle said Alex was a girl.

[Grant]

Oh there's spoilers in this post...


So did anyone find it funny when when Artz exploded. I also liked his little speech about how cliqueish the main characters are.

SO Walt is gone. But it had to happen. Hopefully Jin, Michael and Sawyer make it back to the island somehow.
The flashbacks were well done this episode. I pratically like Hurley's (complete with a hilarious Charlie and Artz cameos).

[StoneGold]

Something interesting of note though, while the Others are obviously better off than the Oceanic crew, it isn't by much. Yes, they have a boat. But notice the bomb they had was little better than a Molotov cocktail. Look at the ragged clothes they had.

[StoneGold]

[color=white]SO Walt is gone.
And if you believe he'll stay gone, I have a piece of Artz to sell you.

[Grant]

It was certainly good, but they did cheat a little by devoting a good chunk of one episode to the psychic telling Claire all about how important her child was going to be and how crucial it was that she not give the baby up. Something is clearly important about Claire's baby; just not the importance that 'the Others' are interested in.

Loren

Her kid could be important. Ethan wanted the baby for some reason and Ethan may or may not be an Other.

[Grant]

And if you believe he'll stay gone, I have a piece of Artz to sell you.

I never said that he'll stay gone. He'll probably be out of the picture for a while.

[Grant]

Something interesting of note though, while the Others are obviously better off than the Oceanic crew, it isn't by much. Yes, they have a boat. But notice the bomb they had was little better than a Molotov cocktail. Look at the ragged clothes they had.

Well there's obviously some technology on the island. I was kind of expecting to Michelle Rodriguez with the Others in this episode. The flashback last week seem to set it up.

I do agree the young girl could be Danielle's daughter.

[Grant]

Anyone else disappointed when they freeze frame whatever Kate and Jack saw and only saw some really bad CGI (ditto the smoke coming out of the hole).

[Shellhead]

I have tried to watch Lost, but after three episodes and now the season finale, I'm giving up. The basic Hollywood pitch seems to have been a cross between X Files and Gilligan's Island. Like the X Files, this show will never play fair with the secrets, holding too much back and probably contradicting itself by season three, milking the anxious audience for as much suspense as possible without ever delivering any kind of real resolution. Like Gilligan's Island, it doesn't matter what these people do, they won't be rescued until the end of the series.

The mysteries at hand don't interest me anymore, because I know that we viewers will never be given enough info to figure them out in advance, except by wild guesses. The flashbacks are great for character development, and prevent their captivity on the island from becoming completely tedious, but last night's flashbacks didn't reveal anything especially new about the characters that got flashbacks on the episodes that I saw before. And once, again, there was scene that involved pointless violence that was easily resolved with no lasting hard feelings. This kind of thing apparently happens every single week, or at least it has for each of the episodes that I've seen.

At this point, I am yearning for a major development, like some of the survivors going all Lord of the Flies or something. Instead, it seems like the writers for this show have a vested interest in maintaining an unresolved mysterious status quo for as long as possible. I don't find that to be entertaining storytelling. But judging by the ratings, that's just me.

[hulahulk]

Anyone else disappointed when they freeze frame whatever Kate and Jack saw and only saw some really bad CGI (ditto the smoke coming out of the hole).


Yeah that was cheesy, even worse than the polar bear.

[Swingkid570]

:*The "Others" (a bunch of hicks with plastic explosives)


Why is everyone suddenly assuming that the rednecks in the boat are The Others that Danielle talked about?

[GremlinClr]

I have tried to watch Lost, but after three episodes and now the season finale, I'm giving up. The basic Hollywood pitch seems to have been a cross between X Files and Gilligan's Island. Like the X Files, this show will never play fair with the secrets, holding too much back and probably contradicting itself by season three, milking the anxious audience for as much suspense as possible without ever delivering any kind of real resolution. Like Gilligan's Island, it doesn't matter what these people do, they won't be rescued until the end of the series.

The mysteries at hand don't interest me anymore, because I know that we viewers will never be given enough info to figure them out in advance, except by wild guesses. The flashbacks are great for character development, and prevent their captivity on the island from becoming completely tedious, but last night's flashbacks didn't reveal anything especially new about the characters that got flashbacks on the episodes that I saw before. And once, again, there was scene that involved pointless violence that was easily resolved with no lasting hard feelings. This kind of thing apparently happens every single week, or at least it has for each of the episodes that I've seen.

At this point, I am yearning for a major development, like some of the survivors going all Lord of the Flies or something. Instead, it seems like the writers for this show have a vested interest in maintaining an unresolved mysterious status quo for as long as possible. I don't find that to be entertaining storytelling. But judging by the ratings, that's just me.

There were quite a few things explained and progress made in the last few episodes. We know what the black rock is, we know the others have a boat and what kind of shape their in, the hatch was opened, the raft was finished, the survivors learned about Kate's fugitive past and what the toy plane signified, etc.

Sure, if you're looking for something like: Episode 3, the "others" are introduced. Episode 4, Everything is completely explained concerning the "others" then no, Lost isn't for the show for you.

But progress is consistently made, and frankly I think the show would boring as hell with no build up. That what gets most fans interested is the speculation.

[Joe Grendel]

Lots of viewers have successfully figured a lot of the mysteries in advance. You can watch it as a passive viewer, but the writers are playing semi-fair, putting stuff out there that's meant to be solvable, along with things that can't be solved yet. This is how investigations go in real life, and I think it's fine.

If you were burned out by "X-Files," though, I can see how that sort of baggage might carry over. It's not what's happening with "Lost" or "Veronica Mars" or "Desperate Housewives," though -- everyone knows playing fair is more fun for the fans than not.

[Joe Grendel]

It was certainly good, but they did cheat a little by devoting a good chunk of one episode to the psychic telling Claire all about how important her child was going to be and how crucial it was that she not give the baby up. Something is clearly important about Claire's baby; just not the importance that 'the Others' are interested in.
I'm assuming the Others don't have the same sort of access to psychic info that the Australian psychic did. They'll probably find out about Aaron's special qualities eventually.

More importantly, why do they want super-psychic kid? If their goal was to escape the island, surely there's a better way to go about it.

And how did they know Walt was special, or do they not know it at all? Rousseau and apparently everyone but Locke doesn't know about it, for instance.

[Joe Grendel]

Why is everyone suddenly assuming that the rednecks in the boat are The Others that Danielle talked about?
Because their behavior matches what she's said about them. Black smoke, seizing a child, violent and apart.

[TCJohnson]

Because their behavior matches what she's said about them. Black smoke, seizing a child, violent and apart.

Not only that but there was a young woman driving the boat. Want to bet that was Alex, Danielle's daughter?

[Joe Grendel]

I don't see anything to point to a collaboration. Danielle was obviously crazy from living alone mourning her lost child these past 16 years, that's not conductive to a partnership. Plus I doubt that Claire escaping was part of Ethan's plans, so there's perfect reason to conclude that Danielle was an unexpected part of the plan.
That's a big leap in logic. What we know:

1) Ethan stole Claire.
2) Rousseau apparently fought with Claire during the period she's lost (most of) her memory.
3) Rousseau stole Claire's baby Aaron.

There's simply not enough additional data to say whether or not Rousseau and Ethan were working together, working against each other or even aware of each other.

Rousseau and he could both be on the same side. Or she could have shadowed him and snuck into camp when he was away and he had Claire secured somewhere. Or Rousseau could have actively opposed him.

It's too soon to decide one answer or the other is either right or wrong. If they wanted a definitive answer, we would have gotten one. I expect we won't find out until at least Rousseau's next appearance, and I'd expect it not to happen that time either.

[Z-man]

That's a big leap in logic. What we know:

1) Ethan stole Claire.
2) Rousseau apparently fought with Claire during the period she's lost (most of) her memory.
3) Rousseau stole Claire's baby Aaron.

There's simply not enough additional data to say whether or not Rousseau and Ethan were working together, working against each other or even aware of each other.

Rousseau and he could both be on the same side. Or she could have shadowed him and snuck into camp when he was away and he had Claire secured somewhere. Or Rousseau could have actively opposed him.

It's too soon to decide one answer or the other is either right or wrong. If they wanted a definitive answer, we would have gotten one. I expect we won't find out until at least Rousseau's next appearance, and I'd expect it not to happen that time either.

You forgot 4) Claire at some point escaped Ethan somehow.

[Z-man]

More importantly, why do they want super-psychic kid? If their goal was to escape the island, surely there's a better way to go about it.

Do we have the slightest indication that getting off the island even might be their goal? The fact that they've been hear whispering in the trees tells me that they are probably more organically a part of this island than anyone else, what's more they were probably underground with the security system.

[Joe Grendel]

Actually, we don't know that Claire escaped. It's probably the case, but all we know is that she showed back up in camp, worse for wear.

Do we have the slightest indication that getting off the island even might be their goal?
They could be what Locke will ultimately be -- a willing participant in whatever the hell is going on. And I will note that they didn't attack the rafters until they were attacked. They wanted Walt, but they could have shot and killed the adults pretty easily, and didn't.

The fact that they've been hear whispering in the trees tells me that they are probably more organically a part of this island than anyone else, what's more they were probably underground with the security system.
I think they likely are underground, but we don't know for sure that they're the whisperers -- I tend to think of those as something else, myself.

[StoneGold]

I know a lot of people are bitching that none of the major secrets were revealed. Am I the only one who am glad they weren't? This isn't the kind of show where you can just replace the last big bad with a new big bad. You start revealing the major secrets early, there's no more show. I mean, you do secret of the week, it's going to turn into X-Files.

[JerrBear81]

Also you have to keep in mind that the people who kidnapped Walt were on a boat about the size of the raft, and it obviously ran on fuel. It was far too small to last on the ocean (But big enough to last as long as they're near an island where it can be repaired). So it's not likely they're just a random event.

[CHEYENNE-BLACKBIRD]

I have tried to watch Lost, but after three episodes and now the season finale, I'm giving up. The basic Hollywood pitch seems to have been a cross between X Files and Gilligan's Island. Like the X Files, this show will never play fair with the secrets, holding too much back and probably contradicting itself by season three, milking the anxious audience for as much suspense as possible without ever delivering any kind of real resolution. Like Gilligan's Island, it doesn't matter what these people do, they won't be rescued until the end of the series.

The mysteries at hand don't interest me anymore, because I know that we viewers will never be given enough info to figure them out in advance, except by wild guesses. The flashbacks are great for character development, and prevent their captivity on the island from becoming completely tedious, but last night's flashbacks didn't reveal anything especially new about the characters that got flashbacks on the episodes that I saw before. And once, again, there was scene that involved pointless violence that was easily resolved with no lasting hard feelings. This kind of thing apparently happens every single week, or at least it has for each of the episodes that I've seen.

At this point, I am yearning for a major development, like some of the survivors going all Lord of the Flies or something. Instead, it seems like the writers for this show have a vested interest in maintaining an unresolved mysterious status quo for as long as possible. I don't find that to be entertaining storytelling. But judging by the ratings, that's just me.wow someone finnally feel the same way i do........i really wanted to like the show i really do but it seems like its a tease.and it might end up like the x-files.i think i was the first one to say it.

[hulahulk]

I know a lot of people are bitching that none of the major secrets were revealed. Am I the only one who am glad they weren't? This isn't the kind of show where you can just replace the last big bad with a new big bad. You start revealing the major secrets early, there's no more show. I mean, you do secret of the week, it's going to turn into X-Files.


I agree with not letting out too much at once. The writers are crafty in that they are controlling the flow of details; that is a large part of the show's appeal.

[CHEYENNE-BLACKBIRD]

I know a lot of people are bitching that none of the major secrets were revealed. Am I the only one who am glad they weren't? This isn't the kind of show where you can just replace the last big bad with a new big bad. You start revealing the major secrets early, there's no more show. I mean, you do secret of the week, it's going to turn into X-Files.ya know what..... i would NEVER ask for them to reveal everything.but what killed the x-files is that it becamed convoluted by trying to be so suspensefull and mysterious that it ended up contradicting itself.and it painted itself so far in a corner that it just collapsed on it self.and i think lost is showing subtle warning signs of this.



HEY! i might be completley wrong,but i'll wait for next season to see if my fear is warented.

[Joe Grendel]

ya know what..... i would NEVER ask for them to reveal everything.but what killed the x-files is that it becamed convoluted by trying to be so suspensefull and mysterious that it ended up contradicting itself.and it painted itself so far in a corner that it just collapsed on it self.and i think lost is showing subtle warning signs of this.



HEY! i might be completley wrong,but i'll wait for next season to see if my fear is warented.
What "subtle warning signs" are there that "Lost" is "painting itself into a corner?" Be specific. There just aren't enough details out there to say the show has committed to anything at this point, much less painted themselves into a corner.

[StoneGold]

ya know what..... i would NEVER ask for them to reveal everything.but what killed the x-files is that it becamed convoluted by trying to be so suspensefull and mysterious that it ended up contradicting itself.and it painted itself so far in a corner that it just collapsed on it self.and i think lost is showing subtle warning signs of this.



HEY! i might be completley wrong,but i'll wait for next season to see if my fear is warented.
Two differences between the two shows. One, XFiles had no conclusion planned. Given how things were set up, and the fact they keep saying it is, I'm pretty sure Lost has an actual planned multi-year arc set up.

The other difference, and this is a big one, Lost really hasn't given any major relevations yet. They've only provided more questions, but not really any answers. The closest they've come to providing answers is tying certain questions together. X-Files was always throwing out these big reveals, always promising to blow the conspiracy open, but then it was always a smaller part of a big conspiracy that went no where.


Speaking of tying the questions together, who wants to bet that the Black Rock shipped out from Nigeria? As in the same place the heroin plane came from?

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Two differences between the two shows. One, XFiles had no conclusion planned.
i think thats what some people think about lost.but i like the show regardless,just cause its different.it might fall apart later on but hopefully that will be verry far away.

[Z-man]

I think they likely are underground, but we don't know for sure that they're the whisperers -- I tend to think of those as something else, myself.

The whisperers are who Danielle heard saying that they were going after the boy.

And being underground is the perfect excuse for why we never see the whisperers.

[TCJohnson]

Here is my guess (Didn't read entire thread so sorry if I am just going over old stuff).

These Others are decendents of the crew of the Black Rock. Over the years there have been other people stranded on the Island. The Others took whichever children they could, and killed any adults that wouldn't join them. With this plane crash, it is the first time such a large group of people have been stranded on the Island at once so the Others couldn't pull their normal tricks. They were outnumbered.

There is a prophecy amoung the others that a special child would be coming. It came to them in dreams, much like how Locke found the plane that killed Boone. They were told that the numbers would bring the child, so they broadcasted those numbers with a radio they got from another ship wreck, the numbers that Hurley's friend heard and the broadcast that lured Danielle to the island.

First they kidnapped Danielle's child but realized that she was not the special child they were waiting for. So they raised her as if she was one of their own. Then, when the plane crashed, they saw there was a pregnant lady, Clair. So they kidnapped Clair, hoping her child will be the special one. With the help of Danielle, Clair managed to escape. The Others began watching the survivors of the plan crash, waiting for a chance to get Clair back when they noticed the strange things happening around Walt, like his summoning the Polar Bear. They realized Walt must have be the one they have been waiting for.

Also, through watching the camp, they realized Walt was about to leave on a raft. So they created the smoke to scare the survivors, so the raft would be launched sooner. Once the raft was launched they got their own boat (another ship wreck) and went after the raft, knowing it would be easier to get Walt with only three men around.

[Donald M.]

This was a great episode. Some minor questions were cleared up, but the major ones remain. That's no shock, they aren't going to give away too many secrets in the first season. I just hope they do actually start clearing some stuff up in season two and don't try to drag it out too long. I'm hooked so far, but I'll only put up with so much.

Also, am I alone here, or was Arzt blowing himself up the funniest thing all season on just about any show? I just about died laughing.

And then later, when Hurley says to Jack, "You've got some Arzt on you."

:D

[J Dog]

I really think that LOST involved the survivors landing on the Lagoon of Neverland Ranch, since "the Others" are a bunch of pedophiles that make the old pervert from "Family Guy" wretch. Plus, what gives with the "Black Rock" (got it right this time). They blow up the hatch, only to find a large hole with a ladder that stops 1/4 of the way. By the way, I'm still standing on Ethan Rom being a useless villain.

I pity the people who played the people who died in the crash. They had he smallest screen time ever.

Here's hoping that the summer break dosen't give us a Jump the Shark thing:

"A 2 part series over the summer with a disappointing resolution."- Seen on Dallas & The Simpsons

[Donald M.]

Here's hoping that the summer break dosen't give us a Jump the Shark thing:

"A 2 part series over the summer with a disappointing resolution."- Seen on Dallas & The Simpsons

Why mention the Simpsons? The two-parter you speak of was a parody of the classic Dallas cliffhanger, and the resolution was supposed to be anticlimactic. Anyone expecting a dramatic resolution on The Simpsons is badly missing the point.

[J Dog]

Why mention the Simpsons? The two-parter you speak of was a parody of the classic Dallas cliffhanger, and the resolution was supposed to be anticlimactic. Anyone expecting a dramatic resolution on The Simpsons is badly missing the point.

Oops. I forgot about that. Anyway, THAT was a hilarious resoultion on a somewhat inresting thing.

[Ryan K]

GREAT season finale. So many great moments. Sayid fixing Charlie's wond. The montage the cast boarding the airplane. The Others. The Others are going to haunt me until Season 2 starts. One of my favorite moments was how pissed off Sawyer looked as they were asking for Walt. Just great.

I also loved how these past two episodes have relied on multiple flashbacks instead of just one focusing on one character.

[Deathstroke]

According to some season 2 spoilers in a Lost article in the new issue of TV Guide Arzt will be back in Season 2

[hulahulk]

According to some season 2 spoilers in a Lost article in the new issue of TV Guide Arzt will be back in Season 2

That character must have really worked at getting himself back together.

[CHEYENNE-BLACKBIRD]

, they aren't going to give away too many secrets in the first season. I just hope they do actually start clearing some stuff up in season two and don't try to drag it out too long. I'm hooked so far, but I'll only put up with so much.



thats basicly the way i feel

[TCJohnson]

Ok, I found this on www.http://www.oceanic-air.com, a website for Lost owned by ABC. We we know that it is created by ABC...wether it is legitimate or them playing a joke on us, I don't know. But...it is extremely spoilerish. Only read it if you don't mind some spoilers.

http://www.oceanic-air.com/images/oa_front-letter1a.jpg

[Puffy Treat]

How to watch the "Lost Season Two Teaser Trailer".

Go to Oceanic Air (http://www.oceanic-air.com)

Under "Travellers" type 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42...in that order.

This will take you to the Seating Chart. Click on the same numbers, in the same order at the bottom of the screen.

Enjoy the Season 2 clip, then get redirected to what seems to be the new Official LOST website (http://www.oceanicflight815.com)

[hulahulk]

How to watch the "Lost Season Two Teaser Trailer".

Go to Oceanic Air (http://www.oceanic-air.com)

Under "Travellers" type 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42...in that order.

This will take you to the Seating Chart. Click on the same numbers, in the same order at the bottom of the screen.

Enjoy the Season 2 clip, then get redirected to what seems to be the new Official LOST website (http://www.oceanicflight815.com)


Cool! That was fun. And a new forum to investigate, too.

[Justin D.]

How to watch the "Lost Season Two Teaser Trailer".

Go to Oceanic Air (http://www.oceanic-air.com)

Under "Travellers" type 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42...in that order.

This will take you to the Seating Chart. Click on the same numbers, in the same order at the bottom of the screen.

Enjoy the Season 2 clip, then get redirected to what seems to be the new Official LOST website (http://www.oceanicflight815.com)

Neat. There's a lot more to do before doing that though. Play around with the seats and there are random images and sounds that pop up. Rose's ring, Sayid's license, Driveshaft backstage pass, and more. And oddly enough a Russian vodka bottle that I can't explain. Is it what Jack's dad drank before the surgery that he screwed up on?

[TCJohnson]

Neat. There's a lot more to do before doing that though. Play around with the seats and there are random images and sounds that pop up. Rose's ring, Sayid's license, Driveshaft backstage pass, and more. And oddly enough a Russian vodka bottle that I can't explain. Is it what Jack's dad drank before the surgery that he screwed up on?

In the first episode, Jack tells the stewardess his drink is not strong enough so the stewardess hands him one of those bottles.

[Deathstroke]

The 2005 Television Critics Association Awards named Lost Outstanding Drama and Outstanding New Program.

[Peter]

There's simply not enough additional data to say whether or not Rousseau and Ethan were working together, working against each other or even aware of each other.

Actually, about three or four pages back *in this very thread*, somebody mentions a cut scene where Claire inexplicably remembers that Rousseau helped her escape from Ethan.

So the theory is, Rousseau was going to kidnap/offer to swap Claire's baby all along. Ethan/the Others didn't realise she would do what she did, though -- Rousseau was an independant factor, rescuing Claire from Ethan/the Others and possibly attacking Claire herself (given Claire fought/scratched her at some point).

Anyway...

Season finale aired tonight.

Phew. I understand you guys got a two-hour finale, but here in Australia, we got the two-hour finale broken up over a few weeks, so the Black Rock/

I loved it, but also found it disappointing. Okay, so they can't resolve every mystery on the island just yet (not with another series to go), but we essentially learned nothing.

-- who died? Walt was kidnapped (and I didn't realise it was Walt who they were after until well after I should've), Saywer was possibly shot/possibly injured/possibly grazed/possibly fine.

-- the monster? It's definitely mechanical, given the 'security measure' thing, and it's possibly a swarm of crazed gnats or misprogrammed nanites. And...? We still don't know *what* it is, we still don't know what it's protecting, we still don't know who built/designed it. And I'd *love* to know why it seems to like Locke (he survived an encounter early in the season, and seemed to run *towards* the thing tonight).

-- Locke. Need I say more?

-- I was hoping we'd find out where the polar bears came from, but that's got something to do with Walt, and given he's (apparently) central to the Others going after the survivors, we ain't gonna find that one out for a while either.

-- the Others. They've got technology and obviously have a base somewhere on the island, since a boat like that would need some kind of fuel. Okay. So why/who/how/where are they? We don't know a thing. Was the black smoke just Rousseau (as Charlie said), or was that actually them?

-- the Hatch -- the hell was that about? No resolution there, either. We finally get the hatch open -- and instead of a mysterious hatch somewhere in the jungle, we now have a mysterious tunnel leading down to who knows where.

-- the numbers. Not explained in the slightest, although -- was I the only one to notice that it was gate 23 where the passengers boarded, which was one of the numbers (and Kate was turned in for a $23,000 reward).

It was a great season finale, but realistically, we still don't know *anything*. The mystery of the hatch has been replaced by the mystery of what's under the ground, we don't know the whys and hows of the Others, we don't know anything about the Numbers (other than they seem to connect a few of the survivors), we don't know anything more about Locke, we don't even know if the writers killed somebody off (Sawyer simply fell off the raft, and Walt is definitely wanted alive).

And not only that, but we have *more* questions. I'm sorry, I wanted some kind of pay-off, and *nothing* was resolved.

I have this horrible feeling that we are still going to be at this *exact* place, this time next year, with the same questions.

And I have this even more horrible feeling that we're just never going to find out what the hell is going on on this island.

[ghostrider666]

ABC has started with promos for season 2. There's a bunch, each focus on a single character.
I think theres like 3 weeks until the season 2 debut.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

you know i liked how nobody liked the characters when they was first shown in this season lol.Now their whats keeping the show going.