The Official LOST Season 1 Thread!

[SPAfreak]

I want to know if the Korean guy has figure out that his wife can speak English yet. Seemed possible when she was putting the eucalyptus on the asthmatic girl.

The way he looked at Michael made it seem pretty obvious to me that he knows. Given his work for Daddy I'm waiting for the reveal that he can speak English too.

The thing is, he was SUPPOSED to be on the plane. It's is wife that wasn't.

[jnapper]

I totally dig the ABC show "Lost"-- here's a set piece-- no spoilers, mostly about food on the set.

I thought it was cool, so posted it in the OT thread on the Hellboy Forum, but I follow this thread too, so I hope it was okay to post it here too--

jnapper

Paste the URL into your media player: (FILE/Open URL)
http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/buildlist.asp?f=96688419&a=0,30&sid=8795295&m=wmv&r=300&l=SAV

video came from here:
http://insider.tv.yahoo.com/celeb/2004/11/17/losthomemovies/index.html

[hulahulk]

I FINALLY saw a new episode, after at least a month of missing them.

The Sayid/Danielle interaction was cool. The 2-week cliffhanger is going to be tough to wait out.

[Elias Bogan]

I have no idea of the accuracy of this information but here is the apparant broadcast schedule:

Nov 24-(pre-empted) :evilangry:
Dec 01-New! "Raised by Another"
Dec 08-New! "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues"
Dec 15-Repeat "Pilot-part.I." at 8,
Dec 22-Repeat "Pilot-part.II."
Dec 29-(pre-empted)
Jan 05-New! "Whatever the Case May Be"
Jan 12-New! "Hearts and Minds"
Jan 19-Repeat
Jan 26-Repeat

[StoneGold]

This was what, the second flashback in a row without any real idea of what the person was doing flying from Australia to LA?

[Deathstroke]

I FINALLY saw a new episode, after at least a month of missing them.

The Sayid/Danielle interaction was cool. The 2-week cliffhanger is going to be tough to wait out.

And in case anyone didn't recognize Danielle, that was Babylon 5's Mira Furlan in the role.

[borateen]

This was what, the second flashback in a row without any real idea of what the person was doing flying from Australia to LA?

In the grand scheme of things, does that really matter?

[LtMarvel]

Actually, one of the early patterns was that none of the surviviors (according to the backstories we had seen) had plans to be on the plane. No one was on the plane as, say, a plan to go to a wedding, or a vacation, or even a business trip.

[Deathstroke]

I liked learning about Sayeed's background.

I hope we'll be seeing more of Danielle soon.

Hurley ROCKED!

I love his reaction when it was brought up that things could be worse. His facial expression as he gasped out "HOOOOWW?" was priceless.

[KidFOB]

Actually, the doctor was bringing his father's body home and the U.S. Marshall was bringing the fugitive back to the states.

[Grant]

Man two weeks for the next episode. I enjoyed Sayid's backstory but there wasn't too many startling developments. I know it's hard to top Locke being a former parapeligic and the rest but it would nice to have a little more. But I'm glad they don't paint him as a saint this is guy who clearly (especially from last episode) has a dark side.

Also Dainelle just keeps adding more mystery. She has a missing child (Alex which is a bigender name). Could this be someone we've seen before. Hurley? Claire?

The golf stuff added some much needed humour and I like how Hurley saw the need to keep people from going insane. What was also interesting was the relationship between Michael and Walt. Seems Michael is starting to neglect his son again and I'm wondering if Locke is exploiting this.

It seems like Locke is trying to divide the crew through some subtle manipulation (or overt if you consider Locke/Sayid conversation last week).

Also this Ethan character. Kind of curious if this guy is going to be a red shirt or play a bigger role. Also what was the name of the guy with the rash.

The ending with Sayid in the woods hearing voices was pretty haunting.

Overall good stuff.

[Spiff]

Was it just me, or was this episode dark? Not in the tone or mood sense, but just very dark, like it was hard to see anything happening on screen. It could just be the TV, though.

I wonder if Mira Furlan is going to have a semi recurring role. She didn't die, and she's interesting enough to keep around. Wonder if there is some kind of disease/madness on the island, or if Danielle herself is nuts.

And I liked the golf course. Man, that's a beautiful island. Why the hell didn't Michael just let his kid swing at the golf ball when he was up? And Locke giving the kid a knife can only lead to bad things.

[Deathstroke]

The news I read about Furlan didn't say is she would be a recurring character or not, but it did say that she would play an important role. Take it for what it's worth.

[Steve]

The only name I was able to get from the rash dude is Sullivan.

William Mapother (Ethan) usually creeps me out. He was the dude that beat up Janet Malloy in Line of Fire. Man I miss that show.

[hulahulk]

And I liked the golf course. Man, that's a beautiful island.
That, my friend, IIRC, is Oahu, Hawaii. The valley where they filmed the golf sequence is near the North Shore of surfing fame (and Fox drama fame).

[StoneGold]

In the grand scheme of things, does that really matter?
It very well might. For one thing, it means that there are more to their stories. What were they doing on the plane? Second, it might further explain the bizarre nature of the island.

Oh, and anyone want to guess if Danielle was actually, definitely there, or was something more akin to Jack's dad? I'm thinking if/when Sayid manages to return to the place, and nothing is there?

[Ugoff]

And in case anyone didn't recognize Danielle, that was Babylon 5's Mira Furlan in the role.


This episode was great! I truly just love this show. This episode had me at the edge of my seat the whole time. No lie! Mira Furlan is so awesome, she gave me goosebumps. I knew I recognized her from somewhere but I couldn't guess from where. Man she's awesome! This show is so good especially if you just relax and stop trying to guess the hidden mysterious. Usually I'm trying to figure things out and analyze things but with this show I just get Lost in it as soon as it comes on. lol I just hope the outcome will satisfiy everyone cuz that would be cool. Is it too early to say I'm looking forward to season 2? lol

[HynerianChef]

I think this ep tells us all we need to know to figure out the mystery. A recap of some important facts:

- In an early ep, while playing a game, Locke talks about there always being two sides, one light, the other dark.

- The monster seems to be incredibly strong and powerful, able to move around tearing everything in its path, yet it's never really seen nor leaves visible identifying tracks.

- The one person who saw the monster, Locke, said he had looked into the heart of the island, and it was beautiful.

- In this ep we get Delenn. She mentions a black rock as something 'bad', talks about voices and hints there was some disease that made people mad.

Faced with all of this, the answer is obvious. The island is actually a Vorlon base of operations, preparing for the coming Shadow War (two sides, light and dark) which was portrayed in Babylon 5. The monster is actually a Vorlon. Think about it, it makes sense... able to move through the island causing the massive property damage yet leaving no telling marks, and when someone *does* see it, it looks "beautiful", likely angelic, due to the manipulations and conditioning Vorlons did to the younger races.

The people going mad? Perhaps the result of experiments performed by the Vorlons in order to create telepaths. That's why they make boats and planes malfuction and crash in the island, then saving a few survivors to work on. In fact, that explains the voices: they're actually telepathic communication/ residue. "Danielle" is obviously meant to represent Delenn, perhaps so her image will be carved into human consciousness in an effort to promote quicker acceptance when humans and Minbari meet (which didn't go according to plan :p ).

And that is the truth, though I'm sure we'll eventually have some lame twist trying to contradict and cover-up the Vorlon conspiracy to use us as weapons. The Truth is out there.

[jnapper]

I have no idea of the accuracy of this information but here is the apparant broadcast schedule:

Nov 24-(pre-empted) :evilangry:
Dec 01-New! "Raised by Another"
Dec 08-New! "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues"
Dec 15-Repeat "Pilot-part.I." at 8,
Dec 22-Repeat "Pilot-part.II."
Dec 29-(pre-empted)
Jan 05-New! "Whatever the Case May Be"
Jan 12-New! "Hearts and Minds"
Jan 19-Repeat
Jan 26-Repeat

Much thanks for posting this!! I missed part of the Pilot and have been hoping for another repeat.

Faced with all of this, the answer is obvious. The island is actually a Vorlon base

That made me LOL this morning, HynerianChef :)

Here's some more LOST humor:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20041020l.jpg

[Deathstroke]

Faced with all of this, the answer is obvious. The island is actually a Vorlon base of operations



HEHEHEHEH!

So J.J. Abrams is really JMS?

[Aggie]

HEHEHEHEH!

So J.J. Abrams is really JMS?



naah...cuz the writing on lost is waay better than b-5... ;)

[Deathstroke]

naah...cuz the writing on lost is waay better than b-5... ;)

That's it! For that blasphemy, you are out of the will.

[Steve]

naah...cuz the writing on lost is waay better than b-5... ;)
I'll second that.

[Spiff]

I don't think anything can beat "Get the hell out of my galaxy!" Even "Get the hell off the island" doesn't sound right.

They should get Kosh's voice actor to do something, too. Him and Delenn had the best damn voices on the show, although Peter Jurasik's Russian (?) accent was cool, too.

And who the hell is Ethan?

[bert]

I don't think anything can beat "Get the hell out of my galaxy!" Even "Get the hell off the island" doesn't sound right.

They should get Kosh's voice actor to do something, too. Him and Delenn had the best damn voices on the show


"Kosh's voice actor" is the same guy who actually wore the costume (and appears several times thruout the series OUT of makeup): Jefferey Willerth


Fun fact. . his Wife is Pat Tallman (aka: Lyta Alexander)

Slick and I met them both (and got to hang out w/ them drinking at the bar) in Dallas a few years ago at Uncommon*con. I'll post a pic of us at that Con when I get back home (it's on MY computer)

[Spiff]

"Kosh's voice actor" is the same guy who actually wore the costume (and appears several times thruout the series OUT of makeup): Jefferey Willerth

Kosh was credited as Ardwright Chamberlain in the series and on IMDB.

Apparently, Jeffrey Willerth was Kosh in B5: In the Beginning.

[bert]

Kosh was credited as Ardwright Chamberlain in the series and on IMDB.

Apparently, Jeffrey Willerth was Kosh in B5: In the Beginning.


"Ardwright Chamberlain"?

now THAT certainly sounds like a made up name to me.

To the best of my knowledge (and I did hear it straight from Willerth's mouth), he was the one who plays Kosh -- he started out as an office guy behind the scenes, started working the Kosh suit, and then got some non-Kosh roles on the show.

Could be wrong, of course, but that's what I got from Willerth. . .that HE was Kosh. (and not just for the pilot or movies, but for the series).

EDIT: Here's his website: http://www.thegalacticgateway.com/kosh/

and here's the relevent part :
Jeffrey is one of an elite group that had the privilege to work on Warner Bros. sci-fi hit Babylon 5 for all five seasons of the show's production. His versatile talents served him -- and the show -- well, playing the recurring role of Ambassador Kosh.

[Spiff]

Maybe one was the guy in the suit, while the other voiced?

I do remember Chamberlain's name at the end credits for the episodes he's been in, and I do believe some of the DVD commentary mentions him by name. Not sure about the latter, though.

[Slappy san]

I hope we find out more about Sayid and the girl.

[Deathstroke]

I'll second that.

And though you were never in the will, you are out of it too.

[Steve]

And though you were never in the will, you are out of it too.
How can I be out of it if I wasn't in it in the first place?

Besides, it's probably just petty change.

[berk]

I missed the episode; I read a brief synopsis that basically said no more than I'd already gathered - that Said found the Frenchwoman who'd been sending the radio signal and that we found out a little more about his past. What else happened? Did Said bring the Frenchwoman back to the rest of the people? What was his/their reaction to her presence? And hers to theirs? Did she have any new information about the island? etc, etc ...

[bert]

Here's the pic I was talking about

that's Jeff Willerth (Kosh) on the left, and his wife, Pat Tallman (Lyta) on the right (she's also a well known stunt woman, and starred as Barbara in the Night of the Living Dead remake)

[Steve]

I missed the episode; I read a brief synopsis that basically said no more than I'd already gathered - that Said found the Frenchwoman who'd been sending the radio signal and that we found out a little more about his past. What else happened? Did Said bring the Frenchwoman back to the rest of the people? What was his/their reaction to her presence? And hers to theirs? Did she have any new information about the island? etc, etc ...
Nope, she wasn't introduced to the others by Sayid. Sayid and her went there separate ways at the end.

[Deathstroke]

How can I be out of it if I wasn't in it in the first place?

Besides, it's probably just petty change.

Don't go getting jealous cause you are out of the will you were never in.

[Steve]

Don't go getting jealous cause you are out of the will you were never in.
But why would I be jealous if it's just petty change? :)

[Deathstroke]

But why would I be jealous if it's just petty change? :)


Money you don't have to work for is money you don't have to work for regardless of the amount, you ungrateful so and so! :evilsmile

[Steve]

Money you don't have to work for is money you don't have to work for regardless of the amount, you ungrateful so and so! :evilsmile
I'll pass. Maybe you should donate it to form an expedition to find them Lost survivors. :)

[Deathstroke]

I'll pass. Maybe you should donate it to form an expedition to find them Lost survivors. :)

Well the women who'll be "grateful" anyway.

[Mister Jerusalem]

I can't help but think that the French lady is going to pop up again. I mean they had an opportunity to kill her if they didn't want to use her again but they didn't. She has be able to show them more cool stuff around the island. Perhaps native fruits and vegatables, or maybe there was something to her seemingly crazy ramblings.

[Spiff]

Holy crap, tonight's episode was cool.

Although the majority of Claire's story was pretty ho hum, the psychic guy totally made up for it. I liked how he "knew" that the plane was going to crash, but I wonder what's up with Claire's baby. I wonder if there's any reference to that.

Also, Hurley doing the census thing seemed a bit off to me. There was a slightly sinister tone to how Hurley did his interrogations, with the "no reason" response. I'm totally expecting his story to be incredibly surprising, whatever it is.

And the ending! That was one of the best cliffhanger endings I can remember! Other people on the island, kidnapping poor, pregnant Claire and Charlie!

Is anyone know anything about philosophy, because I know Locke's name isn't coincidental, so can someone share a bit about John Locke without having to sift through google/wikipedia for the choice info?

[bert]

Holy crap, tonight's episode was cool.

Although the majority of Claire's story was pretty ho hum, the psychic guy totally made up for it. I liked how he "knew" that the plane was going to crash, but I wonder what's up with Claire's baby. I wonder if there's any reference to that.

Also, Hurley doing the census thing seemed a bit off to me. There was a slightly sinister tone to how Hurley did his interrogations, with the "no reason" response. I'm totally expecting his story to be incredibly surprising, whatever it is.

And the ending! That was one of the best cliffhanger endings I can remember! Other people on the island, kidnapping poor, pregnant Claire and Charlie!

Is anyone know anything about philosophy, because I know Locke's name isn't coincidental, so can someone share a bit about John Locke without having to sift through google/wikipedia for the choice info?

I thought tonight's episode was incredible. . .and we finally got to put SOMETHING together w/ that cast member who just started showing up a few episodes ago (the one everyone has been referring to as "redshirts").

I loved the bit w/ Hurley and the jerk-guy. . but didn't like that Hurley suddenly got stupid for the sake of the plot. What the heck kind of questions were those? Why not "do you have any skills that could help us survive?"

oh and. . Spoiler about the "death" of one of our castaways:

I've seen from a couple of spoilerish sites, that Claire is NOT long for the show. I'm guessing she ain't gonna make it out of thier situation alive.

What happened to the lady in the Orange Pantsuit? (the one who Jack promised to watch until her husband came back from the bathroom?) We haven't seen her in weeks!. . . Hope she shows back up.

[LtMarvel]

Woooo..... what a show!

[Justin D.]

It was a kickass episode tonight. Yeah, Claire's story was a slow-build piece, but it had a great payoff. After the reveal that the psychic knew about the crash, it left me with something to think about. Did he make sure she was on the plane so she'd raise the baby herself or did he make sure she'd be on the plane so the baby wouldn't be around the rest of the world?

How can Claire not tell that Charlie has fallen hard for her? He did have the best set of lines in the episode too.

"If I can quit drugs, I can help you give birth. . . wait, I can explain that.

I was a drug addict... that is, I was. I'm good now."

I do think that Jack could've done a slightly better job of explaining stress-induced false labor and the realistic dreams that come with that.

Oh, and is Hurley most people's favorite character now? He has to be.

Even though this episode ended with a cliffhanger that left me thinking, "Who the hell is that guy?" I still understood it better than the last episode. The French lady killed the who because of why now? Whatever. The basic point is that they're not alone.

Now... can we have more creepy, mysterious monster action?

[Steve]

I too enjoyed the end revelation as well.

Now it gets me suspicious of rash dude aka Sullivan, the guy with the glasses.

Easily the second best episode after the Locke-centric one.

[ghostrider666]

Wow, what a great episode!
Whats yet to be seen with Ethan & the "others" is if there is anyone else "alive" on the island, or if its somekind of supernatural manifestation.

[Aggie]

okay...my vcr stopped at the point where sahid was telling jack about danielle...what happened at the end??

[Elias Bogan]

Last night was awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just really hope they dont end next week with a cliffhanger cause we don't get another new episode after that until Jan 5th.

I have no idea how accurate this is but apparantly "Lost" will produce 23 episodes this year which will actually result in 24 since the pilot by production order is considered one episode but shown over two weeks.

Also, early speculation/rumour is that the season finale's last 5 minutes will show people getting off an airplane at an airport...make of that what you will....

[monkeywarplane]

Good stuff.

To be dead-honest, i've been bored with the last couple episodes up until this one. Don't know if it was me or the show, but I had been really disinterested the last couple weeks.

Last night was awesome. The ending was great.

I'm back!

Stuart

[Shadowfax32]

okay...my vcr stopped at the point where sahid was telling jack about danielle...what happened at the end??

Hurley came running to Jack to tell him someone on the census wasn't on the manifest. Next scene, Ethan is talking to Claire and Charlie. Charlie figures out Ethan is no good and puts a protective arm around Claire. The End

Have I left anything out, people?

By the way the actor who plays Ethan is Thomas Mapother, Tom Cruise's 1st cousin.

Aggie, I just found out that each episode runs 1 hour, 1 minute.

Michelle

[Aggie]

Hurley came running to Jack to tell him someone on the census wasn't on the manifest. Next scene, Ethan is talking to Claire and Charlie. Charlie figures out Ethan is no good and puts a protective arm around Claire. The End

Have I left anything out, people?

By the way the actor who plays Ethan is Thomas Mapother, Tom Cruise's 1st cousin.

Aggie, I just found out that each episode runs 1 hour, 1 minute.

Michelle

thanks a lot...i have to reprogram my vcr now to make sure i get the whole ep. in.

[Grant]

This was is good as the Locke episode. When I was watching the episode I noticed Ethan kind of looked thin. And the one guy who was creepier then Locke (he actually kind of looks like Locke) Now we know why...

I wonder if he was actually hurting Claire or have any connection to the creepy psychic. Or better yet maybe he was the one that attack Sayid a few episodes back. He seems too old to be Alex as well unless Dainelle had that kid really young.

Good stuff. And a hilarious Scott and Steve mention by Hurley.

I really hope they don't kill Claire though. Next Wednesday can't come soon enough...

[Deathstroke]

The episode was very good.

I figured that Ethan was up to something. I couldn't put my finger on what, but he just seemed to stick out too much to me, not having seen him before that I can recall.

[Grant]

The episode was very good.

I figured that Ethan was up to something. I couldn't put my finger on what, but he just seemed to stick out too much to me, not having seen him before that I can recall.

Also being played by creepy William Mapother kind of helps.

[Conn Seanery]

I like Hurley, he's a problem solver. People are getting hungry? He organizes the food rations. People are getting stressed? He creates some recreation (the golf course). People are getting attacked? Time to identify all survivors to make sure it doesn't happen again. Hell, he even knew how to approach Sawyer to get what he wanted with minimal fuss.

I wonder what his backstory will be like? I'm guessing he'll be somewhat the opposite of what we're seeing now, and the accident has given him a purpose. A reason to start stepping up.

[Grant]

Also there was something puzzling about Locke when Sayid returned. I don't know he just didn't seem to be as calm as he usually is.

-Grant

[borateen]

Also there was something puzzling about Locke when Sayid returned. I don't know he just didn't seem to be as calm as he usually is.

-Grant

Locke wasn't in-the-loop about someone else being on the island, so I imagine, with Sayid talking about finding "her" and "we're not alone," he might feel somewhat betrayed about everyone being kept out of the loop.

[Grant]

Locke wasn't in-the-loop about someone else being on the island, so I imagine, with Sayid talking about finding "her" and "we're not alone," he might feel somewhat betrayed about everyone being kept out of the loop.

I forgot about that. But hey Locke didn't pipe up about seeing the "monster" either. Or about no longer being a parapeligic.

[Aggie]

I like Hurley, he's a problem solver. People are getting hungry? He organizes the food rations. People are getting stressed? He creates some recreation (the golf course). People are getting attacked? Time to identify all survivors to make sure it doesn't happen again. Hell, he even knew how to approach Sawyer to get what he wanted with minimal fuss.

I wonder what his backstory will be like? I'm guessing he'll be somewhat the opposite of what we're seeing now, and the accident has given him a purpose. A reason to start stepping up.


hurley is a cool dude..somehow i doubt he'll be revealed as being anything other than who he is...which allows for some off-setting w/ the other character's backgrounds...that's just my guess...this is a j.j. abrams show, so who knows what the real deal is anyway...i just hope this mystery stuff doesn't turn out like the circle jerk that was alias season 3.

[Deathstroke]

hurley is a cool dude..somehow i doubt he'll be revealed as being anything other than who he is...which allows for some off-setting w/ the other character's backgrounds...that's just my guess...this is a j.j. abrams show, so who knows what the real deal is anyway...i just hope this mystery stuff doesn't turn out like the circle jerk that was alias season 3.

Yeah, we'll find out Hurley's big secret: He's trapped in a fat suit. He's really a skinny minnie. He keeps the suit on because he lost a frat buddy bet and has to wear the suit as some kind of initiation, and now he's embarrassed about making fun of fat people.

Or we'll find out he's really a woman who used to many steroids.

[Steve]

I read an article that actually revealed what Hurley's background story is if anyone's interested.

Spoiler:
We find out that Hurley's real name is Harry Knowles, a geek from Ain't It Cool News.
End Spoiler

[Grant]

Man those f***ing cliffhangers. Since the episode just aired I'll tag the spoilers.

Overall good episode. I like how the flashbacks didn't have a shocking secret or dominated the story (lets face it everyone is more interested in the pursuit of Ethan and Claire). Ethan's small scene was scary and intense and I hope we see more of him. I also liked the conversation between Sawyer and Sayid (as well as Saywer and Walt). And the Boone was slightly less annoying and I liked pairing him with Locke. Also Boone and Locke finding the metal box is going to make the next few weeks agonizing. But definately plenty of good stuff.

But one thing kind of pissed me off...
When they found Charlie I was upset that they killed off a character I've grown attached to and thought the emotional moment they had worked and played well with what we learned about Jack's character... until Charlie comes back to life through the miracle of Jack punching Charlie really hard. It would have been a lot better if Charlie was dead. Push it over the edge.

But it did raise interesting questions and I also liked they showed Jack as this complete nutbar I'd like to see an episode when someone challenges his leadership abilities.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

But it did raise interesting questions and I also liked they showed Jack as this complete nutbar I'd like to see an episode when someone challenges his leadership abilities.
he acts as if he has the whole weight of the world on his shoulders or something.

[blackdragon6]

he acts as if he has the whole weight of the world on his shoulders or something.
yeah he thinks its his job to save and protect everybody,though i think he generaly means well.

[darkkeeperjr]

man!what did they find?any ideas? also who are they?did they want the baby?how soon before the rock of the island(jack)crumble?

[Deathstroke]

Well, this really sucks, now we have to wait until January for the next new episode.

So is the metal thing Locke found going to turn out to be an entrance way?

I thought if they had left Charlie dead it would've been a pretty powerful statement. I mean killing off one of the most popular characters, particularly one played by someone coming off The Lord of the Rings, would've been pretty ballsy.

[Athena Bast]

Well, this really sucks, now we have to wait until January for the next new episode.

So is the metal thing Locke found going to turn out to be an entrance way?

I thought if they had left Charlie dead it would've been a pretty powerful statement. I mean killing off one of the most popular characters, particularly one played by someone coming off The Lord of the Rings, would've been pretty ballsy.
Twisted irony of it all.. today's Dominic Monaghan's birthday.

[Loren]

I thought if they had left Charlie dead it would've been a pretty powerful statement. I mean killing off one of the most popular characters, particularly one played by someone coming off The Lord of the Rings, would've been pretty ballsy.

I thought the same thing. But at the same time, it would've made the season as a whole flow sort of weird. Not just because it would have been such a quick and rather pointless death, but because the previous episode had just begun to establish Charlie's feelings for Claire.

To give him that whole "you can talk to me" speech, and then kill him off in the next episode, would have been aggravating to the dramatic flow.

Loren

[StoneGold]

I thought the same thing. But at the same time, it would've made the season as a whole flow sort of weird. Not just because it would have been such a quick and rather pointless death, but because the previous episode had just begun to establish Charlie's feelings for Claire.

To give him that whole "you can talk to me" speech, and then kill him off in the next episode, would have been aggravating to the dramatic flow.

Loren
Actually, that's usually standard dramatic stuff. Right when someone reveals their true feelings for another character, they get killed, leave the show, whatever. Remember way back on ER, when wuzzername was starting to get it on with Goose from Top Gun, right before leaving the show? Like that.

As for whether is death would have been a good thing or not, yes, it probably would have made this episode better. But the key to the whole thing was what he said at the end. That's going to end up being the more important part.

A few more questions were asked this episode also. The kid's other father. Hurley is a warrior? (Who wants to bet that when they finally get around to Hurley's origin, it's going to be the fan fave episode of all time?) Was Ethan actually on the island, or just picked a name not on the manifest? Could he tie in to the psychic because of that, moreso than we might even imagine?

And speaking of Ethan, was he taking movement lessons from Robert Patrick? Because he moved a lot like the T-1000.

[Steve]

I'm beginning to like Sawyer more and more with each passing episode. He knows he's not too popular with the folks and needs some points so he decides to go with the flow instead of acting like a dick and alienating everyone around him.

[SPAfreak]

Zombie Charlie.

Rock. On.

[Loren]

Actually, that's usually standard dramatic stuff. Right when someone reveals their true feelings for another character, they get killed, leave the show, whatever. Remember way back on ER, when wuzzername was starting to get it on with Goose from Top Gun, right before leaving the show? Like that.

But I think that works best when the characters at least feel *something* for one another. Killing off Charlie after he expresses his feelings would have good repurcussions if his death really took a toll on Claire. But given her relatively distanced reaction to his statements, I don't think Charlie's death would have affected her terribly much.

Was Ethan actually on the island, or just picked a name not on the manifest?

I'm inclined to agree with Sawyer, that Ethan lied about his name. Hurley's manifest comparison is flawed in that they don't know who was in the back section of the plane, or who got sucked out in mid-air. While Hurley can cross off names of the dead bodies, and highlight names of people he interviewed, there ought to be a lot of names with question marks next to them. Heck, unless Sawyer confessed his real name to Hurley, he shouldn't have shown up on the manifest either.

But then, that wouldn't explain Charlie's talk of "they," etc. Unless...if Claire was placed on that plane in order to save her baby from bad influences, maybe Ethan was on it in order to corrupt the baby?

Loren

[monkeywarplane]

They almost ALMOST ALMOST convinced me that they had killed off Charlie... the whole time they were trying to get him out of the tree, I was like "NAH, They ain't gonna kill him off"... then they beat him on the chest for what seemed like 10 minutes and I said "nah, they ain't gonna kill him off" Then Jack stopped pounding on Charlie's chest and then I was like "nah, they ain't gonna kill him off, are they?"

And then Charlie comes to.

I think it would have been real cool for Charlie to have gone entirely mute for like 5 episodes. That would've been great.

Well, after taking a couple weeks off before last week's episode, I am back, Lost has got me again.

Stuart

[The Xenos]

Double sixes. Hmm... There's something about that kid. First the polar bear, now that. I'm sure I've missed more. Charlie had quite a scare there and what the hell is that metal in the rain? A coffin? Where's Claire now? Why her? Questions. Oh and why does John Locke share the same name as a philsopher. Upon reviewing the name, he did talk about perception of reality a bit. Curiouser and cruiouser.

going all Vic Sage on this show,
-Xenos

[DF2506]

I disagree that it would have been better if Charlie was killed off.

Personally, I loved what they did! They had me and my dad VERY convinced that they had killed Charlie off. I mean the producers did say that was what they were going to do with this series. Kill off regulars! So I was.." oh man..they killed off Charlie" and Jack kept trying and trying. Then he gave up and I'm thinking "thats it" and then Jack goes to beating on him again and I'm thinking " Jack.." and then..suddenly...CHARLIE WOKE UP! WOW!!! It was, IMO, just AMAZING moment for the show. Right up there with the revelation about Locke, IMO. The BEST moment of the episode! I'm VERY happy they didn't kill Charlie off. Ya, that would have been powerful, but I think it was even more powerful that Jack brought him back! Totally unexpected. They had me completly fooled (dad was too). Wow. Awesome show!

And that cliffhanger! Whoa! This show! Too bad we have to wait till January to find out what the metal is though..(and also find out whats going on with Claire!) *sigh* My guess is the metal is a door in the ground....HMM.

Anyway, awesome episode! Like I said, best moment: Jack brings Charlie back to life! Whoa.

This island...really is a place of miracles!

DF2506
" Hopes that the holiday season goes fast, so that I can see more LOST! And also see Alias, 24, Battlestar Galactica, Stargate, Stargate: Atlantis, American Dad, Family Guy, and the other shows I watch! Midseason is going to be MUCH better then Fall/Winter was! "

[HynerianChef]

I think Charlie did actually die, and it was the island mojo that brought him back, hence part of the zombie-like attitude. Earlier in the ep we saw the kid getting extremely lucky with dice. It was more likely than not a hint about the whole " the island gives you what you want" aspect that has been rumoured since the start. The kid probably "believes" a lot more that an adult would, so he gets polar bears and lucky dice. By the same standard, when Jack absolutely refused to accept his death and kept going, his will was enough that Charlie actually came back.

[StoneGold]

I think Charlie did actually die, and it was the island mojo that brought him back, hence part of the zombie-like attitude. Earlier in the ep we saw the kid getting extremely lucky with dice. It was more likely than not a hint about the whole " the island gives you what you want" aspect that has been rumoured since the start. The kid probably "believes" a lot more that an adult would, so he gets polar bears and lucky dice. By the same standard, when Jack absolutely refused to accept his death and kept going, his will was enough that Charlie actually came back.
You realize though that since that is basically the predominate theory, it's probably all wrong?

[LtMarvel]

Double sixes. Hmm... There's something about that kid. First the polar bear, now that. I'm sure I've missed more. Charlie had quite a scare there and what the hell is that metal in the rain? A coffin? Where's Claire now? Why her? Questions. Oh and why does John Locke share the same name as a philsopher. Upon reviewing the name, he did talk about perception of reality a bit. Curiouser and cruiouser.

going all Vic Sage on this show,
-Xenos In TV Guide, a response to a reader question about the French woman's name indicated that all the names on Lost were chosen with a specific purpose.

[HynerianChef]

You realize though that since that is basically the predominate theory, it's probably all wrong?
Well, yeah, this IS a J.J.Abrams show, after all. But what's the point of discussing the show on the net if we can't indulge in a little wild speculation fun. If you go back a few pages in this thread, you'll see that I've already cracked the REAL secret of the island, but nevertheless it's still fun to come up with different alternatives. :p

[Loren]

In TV Guide, a response to a reader question about the French woman's name indicated that all the names on Lost were chosen with a specific purpose.

I saw that too, and it got me thinking. Here's a list of the names we've been given so far:

Jack Shepherd/Sheppard
John Locke
Charlie Pace
Hugo "Hurley" Reyes
Claire Littleton
Boone Rutherford
Shannon Rutherford
Larry Sullivan (I'm not sure who this is, but it showed up in a Google search)
Danielle Rousseau (the French woman)
"Ethan Rom"
"Sawyer"

And folks for whom we know just one name so far:

Sayid
Kate
Michael
Walt
Vincent (the dog)
Sun
Jin
Rose
Scott
Steve

So, 1) What do you think these names mean, and 2) Who am I missing?

Loren

[SPAfreak]

You realize though that since that is basically the predominate theory, it's probably all wrong?

Don't stomp on my dreams of watching Merry eating brains.

Delicious, delicious brains.

[StoneGold]

I saw that too, and it got me thinking. Here's a list of the names we've been given so far:
Danielle Rousseau (the French woman)

Loren
Holy shit! Just realized, she's the Karate Kid!

[Grant]

But I think that works best when the characters at least feel *something* for one another. Killing off Charlie after he expresses his feelings would have good repurcussions if his death really took a toll on Claire. But given her relatively distanced reaction to his statements, I don't think Charlie's death would have affected her terribly much.



I'm inclined to agree with Sawyer, that Ethan lied about his name. Hurley's manifest comparison is flawed in that they don't know who was in the back section of the plane, or who got sucked out in mid-air. While Hurley can cross off names of the dead bodies, and highlight names of people he interviewed, there ought to be a lot of names with question marks next to them. Heck, unless Sawyer confessed his real name to Hurley, he shouldn't have shown up on the manifest either.

But then, that wouldn't explain Charlie's talk of "they," etc. Unless...if Claire was placed on that plane in order to save her baby from bad influences, maybe Ethan was on it in order to corrupt the baby?

Loren

Sawyer used that name for a while and probably had the fake identification for years. I think it probably says Sawyer on the manifest. There are flaws in Hurleys manifest theory (but keep in mind they did a head count early on and id some of the dead when they had the funeral pyre) but I'm inclined to believe based on other evidence that Ethan wasn't on the plane. For one he knows the island well, can track and hunt better then any of the plane crash survivors and it looks like he had outside help in kidnapping Charlie.

[Shadowfax32]

Guys, you better find some way to amuse yourselves Wednesdays at 8 beause Lost isn't returning until....February! :eek:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news04/041210d.php

[Spiff]

I liked the red shirt comment Boone made, and Locke's reply. Also thought it was amusing that Merry was used to drop hints so people could follow, although I forget if it was Merry or Pip that dropped the pin in LOTR. And I hope that Hurley's "I'm somewhat of a warrior" comment doesn't place him as a D&D player, or something equally as geeky.

And I believe I said that John Locke's name had some signifiacance a couple pages back. As well as the fact that the whole first season takes place over the course over 40 days, which also has some unknown significance.

[Deathstroke]

The new edition of TV Guide has a blurb about the choice of "Danielle Roussea" as a name.

Apparently there are specific reasons for all the names chosen for the characters.

[LtMarvel]

I wish the islanders would come clean on all the stuff they've seen on the island. Locke's ability to walk. Jack's Dad revived. The only ones who's been honest is the Iraqi, who came back as soon as he had news, and Hurley, whose investigation revealed the extra person.

[gforce99]

Guys, you better find some way to amuse yourselves Wednesdays at 8 beause Lost isn't returning until....February! :eek:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news04/041210d.php
Try Jan. 19...still too long.

[Predator]

With the two episode blocks this week and last week, I have caught up on all of the Lost episodes. Damn this is a good show! The Locke episode just blew me away, I am in awe!

Locke's right, there is something "special" about the island. I can't help but wonder what it is. A mystical force? Scientific? Spiritual perhaps? Jan. 19 just can't come soon enough! Screw Alias, keep putting back to back Lost episodes on! :)

EDIT- Damn it! I just read that ABC isn't airing Kate's episode. Now I've seen all but one episode. Damn you ABC!!!

[blackdragon6]

EDIT- Damn it! I just read that ABC isn't airing Kate's episode. Now I've seen all but one episode. Damn you ABC!!!
yeah i missed that too because i was trying to watch smallville at the same time if you belive that :rolleyes:

[Deathstroke]

Thinking back on this series, I'm wondering if they are just going to pull sort of a St. Elsewhere on us.

At the end of the last episode, J.J. Abrams walks onto the island and says, hey guys, you are all actors, Jack, your name is really Matthew Fox...etc etc.

[DF2506]

Thinking back on this series, I'm wondering if they are just going to pull sort of a St. Elsewhere on us.

At the end of the last episode, J.J. Abrams walks onto the island and says, hey guys, you are all actors, Jack, your name is really Matthew Fox...etc etc.<

I hope not! It sounds like something a "reality" show would do. *sigh*

I think Lost doesn't need to do anything like that. In fact..

I have been wondering if maybe the characters on the island now might get off the island (at the end of this season) and then a different cast might come in (on season 2). You know, something 24 like (sort of. though I suppose they could keep Locke on the island). Prob not, but you know that would keep things fresh for the show, expecially if they are going to continue with the flashback/island format. Though knowing what J.J. did with Alias...I doubt he will. There will prob be some kind of twists that completly change the show in season 2. :)

DF2506
" Thinks that Alias is great, but Lost is prob even better. Can't wait to have both shows on Wensdays! "

[Slayven]

Guys, you better find some way to amuse yourselves Wednesdays at 8 beause Lost isn't returning until....February! :eek:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news04/041210d.php
that is a long time

[DF2506]

^^Hmm. I heard somewhere that Lost was coming back in January sometime...

In any case, we will have new ALIAS in January. So, even if there's no new Lost, at least we will have Alias! If you haven't checked out this show, you should! Lost is a bit better I think, but Alias is still a great show, imo, and definitly worth checking out!

J.J. Abrams has two great shows with Lost and Alias! I'm glad they will be on the same night together! :)

DF2506
" I think it was late January that I heard somewhere. Hmm."

[Deathstroke]

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The Lost producers have told TV Guide online that William Mapother's character name "Ethan Rom" is an anagram for "Other Man."

Make of it what you will.

[Slappy san]

I'm making .....nothing.

[Slayven]

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The Lost producers have told TV Guide online that William Mapother's character name "Ethan Rom" is an anagram for "Other Man."

Make of it what you will.
meaning? there is another man

[DF2506]

BTW, I just found out that a brand new episode of LOST will be on this Wensday, January 5th! I found this out via the ABC website, so its true!!

We have a brand new Lost this Wensday!! And then the 2hr. Alias season 4 premiere!!!

This Wensday is going to be great! :)

DF2506
" Can't wait! "

[Steve]

BTW, I just found out that a brand new episode of LOST will be on this Wensday, January 5th! I found this out via the ABC website, so its true!!

We have a brand new Lost this Wensday!! And then the 2hr. Alias season 4 premiere!!!

This Wensday is going to be great! :)

DF2506
" Can't wait! "


Sweet indeed.

[Loren]

In rewatching the Charlie-centric episode last night, I realized that we haven't gotten a firm answer as to who hit Sayid over the head. I suppose Ethan is now the leading candidate as the culprit. Do y'all agree?

Loren

[cactusmaac]

Downloaded all 11 episodes and watched them ths past week.

Nice, well-written show although to be honest I look forward to Smallville and the OC quite a bit more.

[Deathstroke]

In rewatching the Charlie-centric episode last night, I realized that we haven't gotten a firm answer as to who hit Sayid over the head. I suppose Ethan is now the leading candidate as the culprit. Do y'all agree?

Loren


Well yeah, NOW he's the lead candidate.

[DF2506]

Nice, well-written show although to be honest I look forward to Smallville and the OC quite a bit more.>

Really? Hmm. To each his or her own I guess. To me, Smallville is good, but nowhere as great as it was in season 3 (aside: the show started out good, then it got really good, then it moved to great...and then it went back to just good and also a bit so-so at times). I think the Smallville writers could be doing a lot better. *sigh* The show has really gone downhill a bit.

And as for the OC...*SHIVERS*

Lost, imo, is more then just a nice, well-written show. Its a great series! Well written, acted, directed, etc. Its a can't-miss show, imo.

Like I said though...to each his or own. We all have different tastes...

DF2506
" Lost, imo, was the best Fall tv show. I'm sure its going to be one of the best, if not the best, of the midseason too. Though it is going to have some great company: Alias, 24, and Battlestar Galatica! "

[Spiff]

Reminder: New episode TONIGHT, 1/5/05 (at least according to tvtome and aicn)

[DF2506]

Reminder: New episode TONIGHT, 1/5/05 (at least according to tvtome and aicn)<

Yep. There is a new one tonight. Even the ABC site says so. :)

I can't wait!!

New Lost AND an all-new 2hr. Alias!! Tonight is going to be great!

DF2506
" I got my tapes for them. Now all I'll need is popcorn! "

[Grant]

Don't read if you haven't watched. SPOILERS!





Tonights episode was pretty interesting but anyone else disappointed that Kate was willing to rob a bank for a tiny airplane. There better be a good story behind that one.

But I did like some of Kate stuff and her slight of hand moment was pretty cool. Like how Jack was getting fed up with her. C'mon Jack there's got be some more attractive single women on that island we haven't seen yet.

While it was a convienent way to dig out of a plothole I liked Jacks explanation about burying the marshall.

Not enough Hurley and what's with him and Michael both having all this knowledge about Haliburton Suitcases.

Sawyer being an idiot while he tries to open the briefcase. Sawyer is at his best when he's played as moronic posuer he is.

Liked the Charlie and Rose scenes but still think Charlie should have died other then Jack reviving him by pounding on him for like five minutes. But Rose comes off great. Previously I thought she was crazy "I'm in denial" lady. More Rose I say. I'm sick of all the attractive white people hogging screentime.

Very quick if you miss it moment. But did anyone else notice how Sun reacted when she Kate mentions the guns?

Boone and Shannon become slightly more interesting. We should be finding out more about them next week and looks like one or both of them may die (here's hoping that will make up for Charlie). And Locke is he up to something. He scared me in his brief scene with Boone. Wish they would decide if he's a good guy or a bad guy or not. But it was nice to see Sayid and Shannon bond a bit and Boone looking scary. Or trying to be.

Still worth watching I say.

[Slappy san]

Don't read if you haven't watched. SPOILERS!



Not enough Hurley and what's with him and Michael both having all this knowledge about Haliburton Suitcases.

I honestly thought Hurley was just playing along. I could be wrong.

[ghostrider666]

I honestly thought Hurley was just playing along. I could be wrong.

I agree. Atlthough, duraluminum cases arent ment to be opended withoout a key.
I want to see Jack & Siad go back to the French woman's cave.

[Aggie]

rose bud!!!

[Deathstroke]

Why do I just have this sick feeling that Boone is going to be revealed as having been doing his sister?

It seems that's the only thing that hasn't been revealed yet, some sort of sexual dysfunction.

[Aggie]

Why do I just have this sick feeling that Boone is going to be revealed as having been doing his sister?

It seems that's the only thing that hasn't been revealed yet, some sort of sexual dysfunction.

but what did you make of that comment she made to him about his sexual orientation??...it didn't come off as sibling trash talk to me.

[Deathstroke]

but what did you make of that comment she made to him about his sexual orientation??...it didn't come off as sibling trash talk to me.

I'm sure it'll all be explained. That was just my reaction to seeing that we'll be learning more about them next week.

[coquix]

my mouth dropped at the previews for next week.

[EZMOHR]

Well, I am now glad that not just Hurley and Jack know Kate's secret.
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Evidently Sun knows it now to. She heard some things that will raise her eyebrows I hope. And where is her husband. I have not seen him in weeks. He's got to be around somewhere.

Finally, I hate to say it but well, no I really do not......KATE IS FREAKIN' EVIL. When will Jack and Sawyer smarten up. Hurley and the dead marshall are right....KATE IS THE DEVIL INCARNATE. Me and my wife were watching the show, and 30 minutes before it happened I so called how the episode would end. I said Jack would be pissed at Kate until the very end, and then she would put on the waterworks or tell some sob-story and that would make Jack say.."Aw Shucks, you seem to be alright Kate." People, Kate is extremely manipulative, and she is evil. I can't wait for whatever is out there to get her. In my opinion, Kate is one of the best villians on TV ever...because no one anywhere (except me) seems to think she is a villian. Here is hoping that people listen to Hurley when the time comes.

[EZMOHR]

Why do I just have this sick feeling that Boone is going to be revealed as having been doing his sister?

It seems that's the only thing that hasn't been revealed yet, some sort of sexual dysfunction.


I don't know...since the beginning of the show, I have not thought they are related. I've always assumed that maybe they are a divorced couple or something...but not brother and sister.

[gforce99]

Crap I missed it. Anyone have a DVD copy of it or anything?
I feel so stupid!

[Deathstroke]

I don't know...since the beginning of the show, I have not thought they are related. I've always assumed that maybe they are a divorced couple or something...but not brother and sister.

Well that would be even more twisted. Why on earth say you are brother and sister if you are husband and wife?

[Predator]

my mouth dropped at the previews for next week.

Mine did too, especially at Locke's actions. It seems out of character for him. So either Locke has undergone some sort of change since discovering the object under the island or he is being controlled somehow. Either way, I have to see it now! :)

I wonder is the object was something that was on the plane?

[Aggie]

Mine did too, especially at Locke's actions. It seems out of character for him. So either Locke has undergone some sort of change since discovering the object under the island or he is being controlled somehow. Either way, I have to see it now! :)

I wonder is the object was something that was on the plane?

not really because he was kinda shady from the first ep...he gives michael a case of the wiggins so much he tries to keep the kid away from him...it was kinda weird to see him after they did his "origin" episode...but i think abrams was just trying to lull us into a false sense of security on that score.

[Grant]

Well that would be even more twisted. Why on earth say you are brother and sister if you are husband and wife?

It's not that unusual The White Stripes did the same thing ;) So maybe Boone and Shannon are a garage rock duo from Detroit.

[Grant]

Here is hoping that people listen to Hurley when the time comes.

As it says in the Bible "The Fat man shalt leadeth the good to victory."

...I think.

[Greg Hatcher]

In my opinion, Kate is one of the best villains on TV ever...because no one anywhere (except me) seems to think she is a villain. Here is hoping that people listen to Hurley when the time comes.

Actually, I remarked to Julie last night, "Stop and think about it... the ONLY reason we think of Kate as a good guy is because the music and the camera angles treat her like one. But as far as her ACTIONS... she's a convicted felony criminal, she's lied, she's stolen, and tonight we see her killing her co-conspirators in a bank robbery and deceiving people about this briefcase. We're being set up for a big reveal that she's bad only it won't BE a reveal because she's never been shown to be anything else. It's a really nifty piece of storytelling sleight-of-hand. Marv Wolfman did the same trick with Terra in the old Teen Titans."

[Grant]

Mine did too, especially at Locke's actions. It seems out of character for him. So either Locke has undergone some sort of change since discovering the object under the island or he is being controlled somehow. Either way, I have to see it now! :)

I wonder is the object was something that was on the plane?

Well it's implied he knocked out Sayid (and manipulated Sayid into thinking Sawyer did), encountered and survived the "monster" without saying anything to the others, never mentioned the fact he used to be a parapeligic, among other things.

He wasn't completely off the hook after his flashback episode.

Anyone else think he met Claire's psychic in Austrailia?

[Ugoff]

Mine did too, especially at Locke's actions. It seems out of character for him. So either Locke has undergone some sort of change since discovering the object under the island or he is being controlled somehow. Either way, I have to see it now! :)

I wonder is the object was something that was on the plane?


Lets remember what the French lady told Sayid(if I remember correctly), didnt she say to keep an eye on the others and that they would start to turn on eachother. I know Locke has been shady from the beginning but it seems he's turning even more towards the dark side. I'm not sure Kate is a pure villian yet, althought the proof is right there! LOL! I dont know what to think. I'm thinking maybe this is some long drawn out love story for Kate/Jack. Why didn't Kate just leave the suitcase there and come back for it later? I couldnt really hear what they were saying for a few mintues cuz my dad was on his cell phone. It was also refreshing to see the black woman again. They really didnt do much with her after the conversation on the beach w/ Jack. The scenes of her & Charlie broke my heart. I have to admit Sawyer is hot! If I was Kate, I would have already been all over that. LOL sorry i couldn't help myself

[hulahulk]

Unfortunately my schedule had not allowed me to see LOST for about a month and a half or so. Much has happened, I'd say!!

Anybody want to fill me in on:
the pregnant girl
the rock star and his neck injuries (did he hang himself?)

Thank you endlessly in advance!

PS. I watched last night. It was great!

[Grant]

Unfortunately my schedule had not allowed me to see LOST for about a month and a half or so. Much has happened, I'd say!!

Anybody want to fill me in on:
the pregnant girl
the rock star and his neck injuries (did he hang himself?)


Claire and Charlie were kidnapped by Ethan who was introduced a few episodes back and revealed to be not on the plane.

Jack, Kate, Boone and Locke go after Ethan and split up with Jack and Kate finding Charlie hung from a tree by Ethan. Charlie was revived in a really dumb scene by Jack.

if you want to know more I suggest going to Television Without Pity (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com) which offer long detailed synopsises of tv shows with plenty of hilarious quips.

[hulahulk]

Claire and Charlie were kidnapped by Ethan who was introduced a few episodes back and revealed to be not on the plane.

Jack, Kate, Boone and Locke go after Ethan and split up with Jack and Kate finding Charlie hung from a tree by Ethan. Charlie was revived in a really dumb scene by Jack.

if you want to know more I suggest going to Television Without Pity (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com) which offer long detailed synopsises of tv shows with plenty of hilarious quips.
Thanks. That's a great link, BTW. I'll be looking to see what happened with Claire, too.

[Predator]

Lets remember what the French lady told Sayid(if I remember correctly), didnt she say to keep an eye on the others and that they would start to turn on eachother. I know Locke has been shady from the beginning but it seems he's turning even more towards the dark side.

I know Locke has been shady, but he hasn't really struck me as the traitorous type. He hasn't made any threats towards Walt through their interactions, he helped Jack through his crisis over his father, he helped Charlie kick his habit, and he showed some concern for Claire and Charlie's kidnapping. The sudden shift of hurting (or killing) Boone seems out of character somehow. Unless whatever it is Boone was going to reveal was going to hurt the others, then I could see Locke doing something drastic.

Locke doesn't strike me as the type to take sides, he's been like a guide to the others, giving them an option and letting them make their own choices (as we saw with Charlie and Sayid).

[Ugoff]

I know Locke has been shady, but he hasn't really struck me as the traitorous type. He hasn't made any threats towards Walt through their interactions, he helped Jack through his crisis over his father, he helped Charlie kick his habit, and he showed some concern for Claire and Charlie's kidnapping. The sudden shift of hurting (or killing) Boone seems out of character somehow. Unless whatever it is Boone was going to reveal was going to hurt the others, then I could see Locke doing something drastic.

Locke doesn't strike me as the type to take sides, he's been like a guide to the others, giving them an option and letting them make their own choices (as we saw with Charlie and Sayid).

The French lady said to keep an eye on everyone and started talking about the voices/whispers or whatever. And that they would start to turn on eachother. I think I'm remember this correctly. I'm not saying Locke is bad but maybe theres more going on then we know.

[bert]

As it says in the Bible "The Fat man shalt leadeth the good to victory."

...I think.

Just my thoughts on it. . . but just in case:



Watch with Wanda (from E!online) had spoilers weeks ago that said one of the Castaways on Lost was taking anti-psychotic mediacation . . and that once the medication is gone, we are going to see a SUDDEN and significant change in this character. I think her words were: "someone we really like is going to do something really awful -- something that cant be taken back"



This, combined with the leaks that someone is gonna be murdered (although this could be referring to Kate's actions in Wed's episode). . . makes me think . . . "hmmmmmmmm"

ANOTHER puzzle piece?. .the story that I mention above in my spoiler, was reported to be in the process of "being reconsidered". . and then all of a sudden, the Backstory episodes got shuffled. . . .I'm thinking that it IS Hurley, and we are either gonna see that story. . or they re-wrote the scripts to NOT do that story -- hence the juggling of the episodes.



as to the Brother/Sister thing? . . I'm thinking they are related. .heh. . .and one of the producers just commented that they would have to give back thier "family friendly broadcasting award" they just got -- after next week's ep. . .and just WHO is the focus of next week? The Brother/Sister, right?

[darkkeeperjr]

could kate be a undercover agent :eek:

[Deathstroke]

could kate be a undercover agent :eek:

I was thinking that during the episode, but I discarded that notion after a while.

[Aggie]

I was thinking that during the episode, but I discarded that notion after a while.

just out of curiosity...what brought you to that conclusion??...there's something emphatic in there strokey... ;)

[darkkeeperjr]

that toy plane that kate has,isn't that the same type of plane we saw over some babys crib hanging from a moblie? i'm thinking in the esp with claire when she was dreaming about someone trying to take her baby.

[Justin D.]

I think they've done a good job of painting Hurley as a laid-back, do what others say kind of a guy which means to me that ... he can't be that guy. I have a feeling he's a rich mogul or, at least, rich and usually quite capable of making quick, smart decisions. One small tip-off is when he was playing backgammon with the kid in the episode spotlighing Jack. First, he says, he came in 17th in some contest. Maybe he's a professional gamer of some kind. Then, when the kid says Hurley owes him $20,000, Hurley just casually replies, "You'll get it." I believe he meant it too. Also, the backgammon game was another good example of the kid getting what he wished for when he rolled double sixes after asking for it.

Here's the next show's synopsis:
"Hearts and Minds" - When Locke learns that Boone wants to tell their "secret" to Shannon, Shannon's life is placed in sudden peril, and the shocking truth about her past with Boone is revealed. Meanwhile, Kate is puzzled by Sun's mysterious behavior, and a hungry Hurley must repay a debt to Jin.

I think we can all figure out Sun's strange behavior, but what debt would Hurley have to Jin? And I'm so freaked about the possibilities that could be Shannon and Boone's past.... although, if it explains why she's such a bitch, then bring it on.

[Deathstroke]

just out of curiosity...what brought you to that conclusion??...there's something emphatic in there strokey... ;)


I don't know. Just a feeling. You know, a hunch and all.

[Aggie]

I don't know. Just a feeling. You know, a hunch and all.

oh...just seemed like you worked something out about kate... :o

[Deathstroke]

oh...just seemed like you worked something out about kate... :o

Lordy Lordy, I'd love to work something out with Evangeline Lilly.

[Deathstroke]

I was right about Boone and Shannon!

NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH!

[hulahulk]

Damn, that was a good episode.

[Elias Bogan]

I missed last weeks episode and Im now officially spoiler free so dayyyyyyum that was a kick ass episode. I suspected the incest thing with Shannon and Boone and knew that disney owned ABC would make JJ clean it up so that there was zero blood relation.

I truly believed Shannon was dead aswell and now that Locke has Boone under his 'spell' im officially creeped out. The Kate/Sun and Jin/Hurley stuff was also good and Jack/Kate flirtation was desperatly needed.

This may be an unpopular opinion but I really hope they kill Walt off. Michael is a great character with lots of potential but his kid is rude and annoying. Somethings wrong when you want the polar bear(evil) to eat the kid(good). I'll tune in for Michael and Kate/Charlie with Sawyer and Claire's diary but an hour focused on Walt is gonna be nauseating.

[hulahulk]

So what was up with Sawyer in the same police station in Australia as Boone?

[ghostrider666]

Wow. What a great show.
Another great minor part of the show, the compass thing. So, is the island that screwed up that even magnetic fields dont work the same way there, or if its Locke's compass & not working properly, then is anything that Locke is doing correct?

[Grant]

Great episode. It seems like whenever they move focus away from Jack and Kate it's a lot better. Not saying they are bad characters I just get sick of them sometimes.

The fake out Shannon death was a lot better then the fake out Charlie death. Even though I rather see Charlie live then Shannon I felt it developed the character of Boone into something darker and more interesting while Charlies fake out only justified scary tortured hero self destructive behavior. Boone's revelation that he felt relief that he thought Shannon was dead was more honest and scary. Also allowed Locke to manipulated him like he has manipulated Charlie. So I can't wait to see what they do with Michael, Walt and Locke next week. I don't know if I peg Locke as a bad guy yet. I don't think good or bad figure in with Locke.

Like people said before I kind of suspected Boone and Shannon were romantically or sexually involved though I was leaning towards the divorced couple theory.

Liked the Sawyer cameo in Boone's flashback. Apparently all the flashbacks kind build a bigger story. So it should be interesting to see how it works in.

The Hurley/Jin scenes were pretty funny and I'm glad to see more of both of them. Also after Greg's anaylsis of Kate after last weeks episode I have to say it made me nervous watching the Kate/Sun scenes.

Can't wait for next week... as always.

[Deathstroke]

Damn, that was a good episode.

Yes it was an excellent episode (though I'm sure some will be ticked off that it's the second death we've been "cheated" out of).

But I just want to point out that I called it last week!

[Aggie]

Yes it was an excellent episode (though I'm sure some will be ticked off that it's the second death we've been "cheated" out of).

But I just want to point out that I called it last week!

yes sweetie you did indeed call it last week...i swear w/ this and carnivale...brother/sister relationships have taken some freaky turns lately...i mean it's okay to love your sister...but it isn't okay to loooove your sister...<shudder>...anywhoo...why is hurley like my favorite character...loved his..."dude, pee on my foot!"...i don't know about you guys...but i need people to start gying soon...and i want to see a damn monster too.

[Deathstroke]

yes sweetie you did indeed call it last week.


They did take pains to point out during one of the flashbacks that they weren't blood related.

Oh and did you see that Sawyer was brought into the police station where Boone was?

Wonder when they'll explain that.

[Aggie]

They did take pains to point out during one of the flashbacks that they weren't blood related.

Oh and did you see that Sawyer was brought into the police station where Boone was?

Wonder when they'll explain that.

yeah...but you kinda epected that didn't you...it's the disney channel after all...;)

[LtMarvel]

Jeers to ABC and it's running Lost past the top of the hour:

Locke: You saw your sister dead? How did that make you feel?

Boone:___________________________________*


* point where my VCR switched to West Wing..... ARGGGHHHHHHHH

Can someone help me out?

[Justin D.]

Jeers to ABC and it's running Lost past the top of the hour:

Locke: You saw your sister dead? How did that make you feel?

Boone:___________________________________*


* point where my VCR switched to West Wing..... ARGGGHHHHHHHH

Can someone help me out?

Boone: . . .relieved.

Locke: Good. Now, you must let go.

*cue ominous music and Boone staring at Shannon*

[Justin D.]

Tonight's episode was great. Everything that I like in this show was there. Tricks on the plot, multiple character plots happening at once, and even an "appearance" of the monsters. It's about time they showed up again.

Yeah, we all saw the Boone and Shannon sexual relationship coming, but I did not see her deathing coming until the blood showed up. Sure, I cheered when I thought she was dead (that flashback did not make her any less of a bitch), but it was a good trick when Locked revealed that Boone hallucinated the whole thing. I'm even foregoing that it's usually one of the cheapest ploys used in any type of literature/media. One of the reasons why is it seems like it may play in to a lot of other characters too. There have been a few hallucinations so far and all seem like they can be explained away too. All except for Locke's confrontation with the "monster" unless he just took the same stuff he gave Boone which would make me think he doesn't know nearly as much as he's letting on. He may want to desperately want people to think he has a use since he felt so useless before he came to the island.

Now, I'm wondering if everything that happened to Boone was in his head, or just Shannon's part in it all. Plus, did that look he gave her at the end mean he was thinking about letting go emotionally or letting her go by killing her?

I know mystery is what this show is all about, but that mystery is suppose to be for us, not the inhabitants of the island. It's because of that that I wish Jack would've just come out and directly asked Locked about the compass.

What the hell is in the damn hatch?! Is it some underground lair?

I saw somewhere that the French woman mentioned something about going to the "black rock". Think that's somewhere on the mountain?

Oh, look what else I found!

"All I can say is, every prop is absolutely intentional" Lindelof says. The comic is actually a Spanish translation of "Green Lantern/Flash: Faster Friends" Part 1, which chronicles the superheroes' attack on an alien that turns out to be peaceful. Says Abrams, "We definitely chose that story for a reason".

Someone pull it out and tell use why, dammit! Was the polar bear a protector they killed? That still doesn't make sense!

[Predator]

don't know if I peg Locke as a bad guy yet. I don't think good or bad figure in with Locke.


I've been wondering that too. Right now, Locke's intentions do seem sinister. His talk with Jack about predators struck me as foreshadowing. What I derived from that speech was two theories.

1. Locke has joined "The Others" on the island. He has become the predator within the group and is building himself an army by recruiting Charlie, Boone, and probably Sayid. What his purpose is--besides staying on the island--is beyond me right now. His talk with Jack could be a sort of warning about this movement, about needing to adapt to fight predators.

2. Locke is preparing the group to fight The Others. He knows that Ethan and his people are a threat and he knows that the group isn't ready to take them on. By putting people through little tests (Charlie kicking his habit, Boone becoming mentally stronger) he is preparing them for a confrontation. Even helping Jack deal with the "resurrection" of his father could have been Locke helping him become stronger.

Either way, I just want to know WHAT'S BEHIND THE HATCH ALREADY!!!

[StoneGold]

Dang. I thought that fake Shannon would end up being whomever the they that freaked out Mira Furlan were. You know, the ones that ended up making her kill her family. I mean, I figured out pretty early on she was a fake, but I thought that she might be more sinister than a hallucination, dig?

[Grant]

I've been wondering that too. Right now, Locke's intentions do seem sinister. His talk with Jack about predators struck me as foreshadowing. What I derived from that speech was two theories.

1. Locke has joined "The Others" on the island. He has become the predator within the group and is building himself an army by recruiting Charlie, Boone, and probably Sayid. What his purpose is--besides staying on the island--is beyond me right now. His talk with Jack could be a sort of warning about this movement, about needing to adapt to fight predators.

2. Locke is preparing the group to fight The Others. He knows that Ethan and his people are a threat and he knows that the group isn't ready to take them on. By putting people through little tests (Charlie kicking his habit, Boone becoming mentally stronger) he is preparing them for a confrontation. Even helping Jack deal with the "resurrection" of his father could have been Locke helping him become stronger.

Either way, I just want to know WHAT'S BEHIND THE HATCH ALREADY!!!

I have a feeling the either the last or second to last episode of the season will have a Locke flashback. Just a hunch. But I think by the end of the season his intentions will be clear. Personally I hope your second theory is closer to being correct. It seems too convienent to make him the bad guy.

[Joe Zool]

Regarding the "monster," anybody else think of the Raptor jumping scene in the grass in the movie, "Jurrasic Park: The Lost World?"

Anybody have a VCR? I wished I could have paused that scene. That made me go "WTF?!" but Locke's mind-fuck with Boone... That was really extreme.

[Shades0077]

Awesome episode. Here are my comments.

When Boone woke up after Locke had left him tied up, and heard Shannon calling for him, I knew he was hallucinating. There's no way Locke would risk kidnapping Shannon and tying her up. Everyone in the camp would turn on him.

When Locke was first mixing up that hallucinogen at the hatch, I thought he was mixing up some kind of explosive and they were going to blow open the door.

When Boone and Shannon were being chased by the monster, I saw something shoot up out of the ground. It was super quick, like half a second. I'll have to acquire a copy of the episode and slow it down, see if there's any more detail.

I like that Jin still has the handcuff on.

[Doug W]

I saw that thing shoot up out of the ground right before the chase too, I have the Tivo and was able to rewind and slow it down and to me it looks like a net, but remeber this was during Boones hallucination so what he saw isn't necisarily what is out there.

[Joe Zool]

A net? Interesting... I thought it was some kind of invisible raptor or something... *sheepish grin*

[Ryan K]

Interesting episode.

Though I didn't believe for a second that that was the real Shannon who was out in the woods and got killed. They would have showed Locke talking to her or taking her out there if it had been the real one. I pretty much had the Boone-Shannon relationship pinned too.

I'm REALLY enjoying this show right now, but I'm worried that if future revelations aren't satisfactory , I won't have a desire to rewatch episodes.

[Elias Bogan]

People we really need to start getting the word out about "Lost". Next week the show goes up against that gutter wipe "American Idol" and might take an unfortunate huge hit.

I personally didnt like the main story with Boone, Shannon and Locke, especially Boone becoming evil or something at the end. The Kate/Sun and Hurley/Jin interaction made last nights episode for me. Also, Kate/Jack flirtation is always a plus.

[Ryan K]

Hurley yelling "PEE" a lot was the highlight for me.

[hulahulk]

Yeah, that was funny. I'm looking forward to next week big time.

[hulahulk]

Next week's previews showed the boy being chased/trapped/whatever by the polar bear. New polar bear? The other one was shot right?

[riotgear]

Am I the only one that thinks there are two Lockes? One is the one who was on the plane, and he goes off by himself a lot, but the second is the one that Boone unknowingly has been going off into the jungle with. "Ethan Rom", perhaps? Did anyone else notice that Locke seem a little taken aback when Jack asked him about it. Something is appearing as other people. Jack's father. The man who took off with Claire. What's to say that the french lady is real?

[hugh45]

Interesting episode.

Though I didn't believe for a second that that was the real Shannon who was out in the woods and got killed. They would have showed Locke talking to her or taking her out there if it had been the real one. I pretty much had the Boone-Shannon relationship pinned too.

I'm REALLY enjoying this show right now, but I'm worried that if future revelations aren't satisfactory , I won't have a desire to rewatch episodes.

Yea,I didn't want to bring any negativity to this board,because everyone
was enjoying themselves,but that one of thing that concerns me also in
not revealing any of the island secrets.I always feel they are trying
to do the X-Files thinga in not revealing much,but taking it a little
further than X-Files in not revealing anything.

[Greg Hatcher]

I always feel they are trying to do the X-Files thing in not revealing much,but taking it a little further than X-Files in not revealing anything.

Yeah, I worry about that a little too, but I know from Alias that JJ Abrams is willing to pay things off. I don't think any of these mysteries will be dragged out forever. They'll be resolved and replaced with new ones. At any rate, that is my hope. I'd hate for this show's questions to get strung out infinitely like The X-Files was. After a while it just annoys people.

Also, I think Hurley might be able to squeak by this season, but if this show gets renewed he's going to have to drop a few pounds.

[Toonimator]

Could easily be more than one polar bear on the island, especially if the rumor about a zoo-bound transport vessel carrying animals crashing on the island is true

The thing that shoots up from the ground... do you mean when Boone & fake-Shannon were talking after the thicket, and somethin shoots up & that prompts them to run again? That was a tree being uprooted, far as I could tell.

But it doesn't really matter, at this point, what Boone saw, if anything. It could've all been a hallucination.

As for Locke, I think they're playing up the sinister aspects just to mess with us... so far he seems like a "good" character, but maybe in a neutral kinda way. He's not above extreme measures to put others through their own transformations.

As for Boone's sinister look at the end, I think it was him mulling over his decision of whether to let go his feelings & let her live her own life, or continue his obsession with her.

I doubt the no-blood-relation thing was a Disney-enforced change or anything. From the start of the series they bickered, but still didn't seem like they were related. It NEEDED to be emphasized in this episode to establish the motivations of the characters. It all fits in very well. Had they been blood relations the entire backstory would be different (Shannon being cut off, getting them both to Sydney, all of that) so it's not like they had this plan and some BS&P moron came in and said "this is Disney, you can't do incest!" and they said "Okay, we'll make 'em be stepsiblings instead" so they wrote in Boone's explanation to Locke, and rewrote Shannon's explanation of her scheme.

Sawyer's cameo looks to be the first obvious step towards linking the castaways' histories. Can't wait to see how it develops!

[Elias Bogan]

riotgear:

I really like that theory and knowing JJ Abrams work on 'Alias' its also highly plausible. I truly believed that Shannon had been attacked and killed by the beast but would somehow be revived. I never for a second suspected that Locke's potion thing that was reportedly for Boone's head injury had caused hallucinations.

Also, does anyone else think that originally Boone and Shannon we're going to be at least partially blood related(half siblings) but ABC made JJ clean it up due to their ownership by disney?

[Grant]

Also, does anyone else think that originally Boone and Shannon we're going to be at least partially blood related(half siblings) but ABC made JJ clean it up due to their ownership by disney?

I don't know. They don't even look alike. I'm sure it was probably discussed early on. Having sex with your step sister is still pretty creepy. Just because they aren't blood related doesn't eliminate the ick factor.

If you want honest to god incest check out Carnivale on HBO. All sorts of fun depravity on that show.

[Grant]

Also, I think Hurley might be able to squeak by this season, but if this show gets renewed he's going to have to drop a few pounds.

Well they are covering the first 40 days in this season so he doesn't have to lose weight. I read an article where Jorge Garcia says he joined a gym and is making effort for health reasons.

-Grant

[Toonimator]

Well they are covering the first 40 days in this season so he doesn't have to lose weight. I read an article where Jorge Garcia says he joined a gym and is making effort for health reasons.

That's good. I love him on the show and wanna see him elsewhere, and would hate to see his weight contribute to health probs.

Re: step-siblings... ever see A Very Brady Sequel? Greg & Marsha delve into that quite a bit :)

I was going to bring up half-sibs, but that makes things a little shaky. They'd have to have done something about the ages, or made some complicated thing where they shared a dad, but Shannon was the result of an affair, so Boone's mom never liked her, and Shannon would've had to lose her mom too, or something. It works much easier, and better, this way. And it still has some of that "ick" factor. Would've been ickier if they'd been much younger when the mom & dad got together. At 8 & 10, in today's world, they were both gettin close to puberty... Boone was probably wise to the fact that girls were attractive creatures and not cootie-farms, and was aware that despite the marriage, Shannon wasn't REALLY his sister... but probably aware that the folks in particular wouldn't approve in the least.

[SPAfreak]

I like the occasional references to the internet, like the one last night from Hurley to Jin:

"Do you really not understand English? 'Cuz there's a rumor going around that you do."

[Grant]

Yeah I caught that line about Jin. It's nice they acknowledge this kind of stuff.

[Deathstroke]

I don't know. They don't even look alike. I'm sure it was probably discussed early on. Having sex with your step sister is still pretty creepy. Just because they aren't blood related doesn't eliminate the ick factor.

If you want honest to god incest check out Carnivale on HBO. All sorts of fun depravity on that show.

Fun Depravity...when regular depravity just doesn't cut it anymore.

[Conn Seanery]

I've been going through the episode list for Lost over at TV Tome (http://www.tvtome.com/Lost/eplist.html), and there are some interesting little tidbits posted about the show both in front and behind the camera which may or may not have been mentioned here before. Thought i'd share the more interesting ones I came across:

The first season will depict their first 40 days on the island, with each episode covering roughly 48 hours (except the 2-hour pilot which only covers their first 24 hours). The Biblical reference (40 days) is no accident.

Many of the writing team have a Minor in Sociology, which is going to help in writing character interactions.

The Lost writers picked which backstories they were going to do by picking out three names from a hat.

In a Watch with Kristin (E! Online) interview with Evangeline Lilly (Kate), she reveals that originally JJ Abrams had Jack dying in the first episode, with Kate being the lead, only to rewrite it to it's current form.

Series creator J.J Abrams offered the lead role of Jack Sheperd to actor Michael Keaton first when the character Jack was originally supposed to appear in only one episode as the character was supposed to die. But when J.J decided to keep the character alive Michael Keaton rejected the role and actor Matthew Fox went for it.

In history, there was a man named John Locke who was an English political thinker. He wrote "Two Treatises of Government," in which he argued against the absolute rule of one person. He also believed that before society was organized, humans lived in a state of equality and freedom rather than a state of war.

Yunjin Kim (Sun) initially read for the role of Kate. She wasn't right for the role, but the producers liked her so much that they created the Korean couple for her.

(Episode 1x5: White Rabbit) Sawyer can be seen reading Watership Down, a classic novel in which a group of rabbits set out to make a new home, together in unfamiliar surroundings.

The tattoo on Charlie's left shoulder reads "Living is easy with eyes closed," a lyric from Strawberry Fields Forever by The Beatles.

During Charlie's drug snorting scenes, Dominic Monaghan is actually snorting brown sugar.

When creating the series J.J. Abrams' Charlie character was originally was to be a 45-year-old has-been rock star. But J.J. was so impressed by Dominic Monaghan that he made the character a younger one-hit wonder.

(Episode 1x12: Whatever the Case May Be) The rising tide engulfing the fuselage was done by the producers in order to cut costs and not have to haul it into Hawaii for episodes.

[Slappy san]

I think Jin knows English. He actually spoke it. Ok...it was one word...but eh

Wouldnt it be something if Jin and Sun both new English but werent sure the other did.

[Donald M.]

Some observations:

Shannon is definately one twisted sister. (No pun intended.) She's selfish, immature and irresponsible and she knows how to get what she wants and is willing to do what must be done to get it. After her Aussie boytoy ran off with the money she seduced her brother (well, half-brother, though that only makes it slightly less creepy) to repair things between them to the extent that it was possible, though it's a nice touch she had to get drunk to go through with it.

Concerning Shannon's budding relationship with Sayid; is life on the island and particularly the experience of having someone need her and appreciate what she can do changing and softening her, or is she cozying up to Sayid because she knows she needs a protector and cannot rely on Boone to continue fulfilling that role, especially now with his growing closeness to Locke?

I don't think that the monster is a raptor, it's too big for that. I realize it was part of a hallucination, but there was definately something metallic about the sound effects when "Shannon" was snatched up and mauled by the monster. "Shannon" wasn't eaten, only slashed up, and similarly the pilot from . . . heh . . . the pilot was left mostly in one piece, unlikely if this beast is as big as it seems to be and is something that needs to eat.

I think the hatch in the jungle is part of a plane or ship. There's definately something vehicle/vessel-like about it.

And finally, I think Boone only hallucinated Shannon's part in the jungle chase, the rest actually happened. I think it's very telling that the monster hasn't put in much of an appearance (in a manner of speaking) since it's encounter with Locke. I think Locke is somehow controlling the beast and sent it after Boone to give him the proper motivation to escape. The hallucination of Shannon was most likely an unexpected bonus in that helped Boone to realize he doesn't need her and needs to move on and become independant of her to survive on the island. But then, it's just as likely Locke was controlling the hallucination and simply feigned surprise and confusion when Boone confronted him about Shannon.

[bert]

And finally, I think Boone only hallucinated Shannon's part in the jungle chase, the rest actually happened. I think it's very telling that the monster hasn't put in much of an appearance (in a manner of speaking) since it's encounter with Locke. I think Locke is somehow controlling the beast and sent it after Boone to give him the proper motivation to escape. The hallucination of Shannon was most likely an unexpected bonus in that helped Boone to realize he doesn't need her and needs to move on and become independant of her to survive on the island. But then, it's just as likely Locke was controlling the hallucination and simply feigned surprise and confusion when Boone confronted him about Shannon.

I agree. .

Especially since this week's TV Guide description talks about how Locke and the Father disagree about how to raise Walt. . and the Monster makes a reappearance.

[Donald M.]

I agree. .

Especially since this week's TV Guide description talks about how Locke and the Father disagree about how to raise Walt. . and the Monster makes a reappearance.

Yeah. It's a bit early to tell of course, but at least in part things seem to be pointing to the theory of the island somehow bringing the will/imagination of the survivors to life. I hope there's more to it than that though. I'd be majorly disappointed if the whole thing turned out to be a rip-off of Sphere, albeit better and more interesting than either the book or the movie.

[Loren]

Shannon is definately one twisted sister. (No pun intended.) She's selfish, immature and irresponsible and she knows how to get what she wants and is willing to do what must be done to get it. After her Aussie boytoy ran off with the money she seduced her brother (well, half-brother, though that only makes it slightly less creepy)

Step-brother, actually. Half-siblings have a genetic parent in common. Boone and Shannon have no blood relation. And since they have different surnames, it's safe to say that neither was adopted by the other's parent, so they're not blood relations at law either.

Loren

[Deathstroke]

Step-brother, actually. Half-siblings have a genetic parent in common. Boone and Shannon have no blood relation. And since they have different surnames, it's safe to say that neither was adopted by the other's parent, so they're not blood relations at law either.

Loren

Not that it's any less creepy.

[hugh45]

Anybody remember that old Twilight Zone episode when that lady
thought she was alive and some person (or different people) kept
coming up to her saying room for one more honey? I just wonder.......

[Elias Bogan]

Donald M.:

Very interesting. And if Locke is indeed evil than I hope they up L. Scott Caldwells character 'Rose' and her the good to Locke's evil.

[Donald M.]

Step-brother, actually. Half-siblings have a genetic parent in common. Boone and Shannon have no blood relation. And since they have different surnames, it's safe to say that neither was adopted by the other's parent, so they're not blood relations at law either.

Loren

Step-brother, right, I knew that but totally zoned on it.

[Donald M.]

I've been thinking about Claire and I had an interesting idea: the psychic warned Claire about letting her child be raised by another, but what if the psychic got it wrong and what was meant was don't let her child be raised by an other, as in Ethan and (assuming he's not alone) the other people (assuming they're human) on the island.

I think the psychic put Claire on the plane figuring she'd die in the crash, and we know how that turned out. By putting her on that plane he may have made his prophecy a self-fulfilling one.

Dumbass.

[GremlinClr]

Well, damnit. I'm starting to warm up to the Purgatory theory. This is how I see it.

First a plane that size crashes, you don't get 47 survivors.

I mean the whole thing about Purgatory (and I'm going by memory here, correct me if I'm wrong) is there are things that tie you to the mortal world, and you have to work through them before you can move on. And it seems thats the driving narrative of the show so far, working through and letting go.

Rose seems to be an agent for good, Ethan evil and Locke for Purgatory itself. I don't think they realize, of course, that they are in Purgatory or that they are agents but thats how I'm seeing it. And by Locke being an agent for Purgatory I mean he seems to realize there's something special happening, and he's trying to facilitate that.