New Exiles #2 Review and Spoilers

[Brian Cronin]

It's always nice to see a comic book where the creator (or editor) seems to be taking some of the criticisms to heart, as New Exiles #2 greatly improved in a number of significant aspects, and while it certainly lagged in some other areas, the end result was a nice improvement, to the point where I think that, on the whole, it was just barely a good comic book (do note that there are still some notable problems).

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My biggest concern with the first issue of New Exiles was that there was an inordinate amount of past continuity in the first issue, which really defeated the purpose of a relaunch. None of that was an issue with this comic, although most of the problems were alleviated simply by not using Sage, as Sage is basically a walking continuity calamity at the moment, so just by removing her from the equation, things were a lot simpler. In fact, the ONLY piece of continuity that was addressed in this continuity was the tallus situation between Psylocke and Sabretooth, which is from last issue, which is completely reasonable.

Okay, the bad stuff. The dialogue is still a bit on the clunky side, and the opening bad guys make Rouge Mort look like Doctor Doom. Here are the bad guys....

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The next page, I'll supply the dialogue from the issue (as these pages are sans word balloons)...

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First panel - "Your friend's a dreamer - Blackdog and the Panther's Bloodforce have never been beaten!"

Last two panels (and do note that this dialogue is for real, it's not a joke) - "I am Rough Justice!" and then "Mine is the hand that deals out the wrath of our monarch!"

Lordy.

Luckily, these bad guys only show up for awhile. The rest of the comic details Rogue dealing with a young Atlantean named Gambit (cute) and Psylocke and Sabretooth meeting up with this universe's Storm and Wolverine. Meanwhile, Gambit's mother is Sue Storm (couldn't go an issue without a member of the FF, eh?) and his dad is (SPOILER)...Namor/Black Panther!!

That was a neat twist.

Nice to see Claremont having some fun with the vast possibilities of the Omniverse. People can be anyone he wants them to be, and having Black Panther APPEAR to be Namor is quite clever.

Tom Grummett's artwork is pretty good.

The total package is a comic that has some real rough moments in the beginning, but rebounds to take advantage of the pure fun that is the world of the Exiles, and does the concept of NEW Exiles proud, by not using past continuity.

Slightly Recommended.

EDITED TO ADD: You know, upon second thought, I really don't think I can recommend this comic, in good conscience. The issue was pretty good, but ya know what, pretty good should not be good enough to get a recommendation. I think I got caught up in how much of an improvement this issue was over previous issues, and I let that color my stance - and I should not have. My apologies.

So slightly Not Recommended.

-Brian

[Beast]

Claremont said that's not Black Panther. Black Panther is yet to be revealed. ;)

I enjoyed the issue a lot more than #1. Especially the pissing match between Creed and Logan.

I loved the cheesy villains. They reminded me of that trio of losers from Uncanny. Ugh, brain fart.

[Butters]

Allow me to fetch a seat and some popcorn. I want to make myself comfortable in order to fully enjoy the entertainment that this thread will provide.

[SMKSPY]

I just hate everything that Claremont has turned this book into. I tried really hard to like it and give it chance since he came on board (and love Claremont's work even his third Uncanny run), but he really has ruined for me everything I previously loved about Exiles by bringing in his wet dream characters.

[Beast]

I loved the cheesy villains. They reminded me of that trio of losers from Uncanny. Ugh, brain fart.
Just remembered who it was...

Freedom Force. Super Sabre, Crimson Commando and Stonewall.

[Brian Cronin]

Claremont said that's not Black Panther. Black Panther is yet to be revealed. ;)

Oh?

Then that was less cool.

Still pretty neat!

I'll edit in "APPEAR TO BE"

-Brian

[Beast]

Oh?

Then that was less cool.

Still pretty neat!

I'll edit in "APPEAR TO BE"

-Brian
Yeah......
Secondly, Namor is not the Black Panther. The Black Panther is someone completely different, as you'll see in roughly four weeks time.

[_Jayme_]

I haven't picked it up yet, but it seems like it was 10x better then the first. Glad Gambit is in this issue.

[Beast]

I haven't picked it up yet, but it seems like it was 10x better then the first. Glad Gambit is in this issue.
I'm hoping he joins the team at the end of the arc. I really like this take on Remy.

[_Jayme_]

Really? Hmm...If you'd go as far as to say that then I'd say I'll wind up liking him, lol. If he's the opposite of 616's Gambit then I know I will :p

[Novaya Havoc]

I agree. It was a vast improvement over Issue #1, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it was "good." It wasn't abominable, though. I guess when the bar is set at "Die by the Sword" levels, there's no where to go but slightly up.

I'm pretty sure the absence of Sage had oodles to do with it. When Sage gets her time to shine (and Cat, for that matter), I'll be less complimentary.

The dialogue was still pretty painful, and Sue Storm again takes on a prominent role, but the Namor/Gambit and T'Challa/Namor stuff was more vintage Exiles than not.

C-.

Though I do dread the Storm/Black Panther battle that's been hinted at in the future. Could be okay, but could also read like Claremont "striking back" at the Ororo/BP marriage in the 616.

[Joe Franklin]

This issue features Marvel's best mutant character Victor Creed, so it gets a thumbs up from me.:)

[Beast]

This issue features Marvel's best mutant character Victor Creed, so it gets a thumbs up from me.:)
I really liked his pissing match with Logan in this issue. Great stuff. ;)

[metalgorgomon]

I haven't read the issue yet.. But in the preview, it seems that psylocke wearing choker now.. Or it's just art error in some panels??

[Hi-Fi]

I agree. It was a vast improvement over Issue #1, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it was "good." It wasn't abominable, though. I guess when the bar is set at "Die by the Sword" levels, there's no where to go but slightly up.

I'm pretty sure the absence of Sage had oodles to do with it. When Sage gets her time to shine (and Cat, for that matter), I'll be less complimentary.

The dialogue was still pretty painful, and Sue Storm again takes on a prominent role, but the Namor/Gambit and T'Challa/Namor stuff was more vintage Exiles than not.

C-.

Though I do dread the Storm/Black Panther battle that's been hinted at in the future. Could be okay, but could also read like Claremont "striking back" at the Ororo/BP marriage in the 616.
Comment on Rogue, please! :p

[CmX]

I don't like Gambit's speech pattern at all. And Rogue referring him to "G" seemed kinda corny.

Psylocke looked cute dressed as Princess Jasmine. :P

[Beast]

Comment on Rogue, please! :p
She was fierce. Loved her interaction with Gambit. Nice to see those two names without angst.

[worstblogever]

The questions I have are... how does Gambit have a Cajun accent if his "mom" Sue Richards is from the Northeast, and he's living on Genosha, in the Indian Ocean? Kid's gotta be adopted, right?

Two is... how does Baka Rogue kiss him without consequence?

I guess my assessment would be... this...

Mood: B+
Dialogue: D-
Plot: C

So... it's passable for me. The paranoia of the unfamiliar world, and great warring factions pulling the Exiles in different directions has me curious. We keep hearing about "when the meteors hit 30 years ago", and that's all good and fine. Hopefully next issue we find out what effect it had on all of this Marvel Earth's people, and the characters the Exiles have found. I'd rather see that than more Sage/Cat/Morph football grab*ss games.

[Joe Franklin]

I'd rather see that than more Sage/Cat/Morph football grab*ss games.

I agree. I don't want to see superheroes playing sports or having cookouts, I want to see them fighting their adversaries and being put in dangerous and life threatening situations.

[Beast]

I agree. I don't want to see superheroes playing sports or having cookouts, I want to see them fighting their adversaries and being put in dangerous and life threatening situations.
I'm going to disagree with you there. I love downtime stuff like that.

[metalgorgomon]

I'm going to disagree with you there. I love downtime stuff like that.


Same here! But not too frequent though...
Can someone post an image of Gambit, please??

[worstblogever]

Same here! But not too frequent though...
Can someone post an image of Gambit, please??

Cronin already did. Go back to page one.

[Joe Franklin]

I'm going to disagree with you there. I love downtime stuff like that.

Here's why I don't. If I want to see sporting events, I watch ESPN. I don't want to read about cookouts, I want to eat at cookouts. I buy comic books for superhero fantasy violence and adventures, not sports and cookouts.

[Beast]

Here's why I don't. If I want to see sporting events, I watch ESPN. I don't want to read about cookouts, I want to eat at cookouts. I buy comic books for superhero fantasy violence and adventures, not sports and cookouts.
But without that other stuff, characters become one-dimensional and bland.

[worstblogever]

But without that other stuff, characters become one-dimensional and bland.

Not necessarily, though. Character can develop through other means. Nobody stopped to toss around a baseball in Lord of the Rings, and all the personalities seemed pretty distinct to me. Or any other work of fiction, for that matter. It's just a crutch, and kind of forced at this point.

[Beast]

Not necessarily, though. Character can develop through other means. Nobody stopped to toss around a baseball in Lord of the Rings, and all the personalities seemed pretty distinct to me. Or any other work of fiction, for that matter. It's just a crutch, and kind of forced at this point.
No, but they sat around and socialized. Hell, we got to know the Hobbit characters during a Birthday Party even. Every minute of those films wasn't devoted to action and adventure. For cripes sake, most of them seem to be devoted to characters walking. Even the trees walked in those damn movies! :p

[worstblogever]

No, but they sat around and socialized. Hell, we got to know the Hobbit characters during a Birthday Party even. Every minute of those films wasn't devoted to action and adventure. For cripes sake, most of them seem to be devoted to characters walking. Even the trees walked in those damn movies! :p

Yeah... if we count hiking as a sport... totally. :D

I'm not asking for wall to wall action... just a different kind of downtime than sports. I like sports, but I find it weird that its all these characters do with their free time, given their resources.

I'd just like to see somebody finding a way to use the Crystal Palace (aka the holodeck) to watch movie/books together, you know? Let them bond while enjoying entertainment. Hell, the Crystal Palace could end up being like unto a character itself. I wouldn't mind seeing Mistiq/Betsy ballroom in one issue. I want to see some of these guys practicing fighting with exotic weapons they don't usually use with each other, going over first aid/CPR for use on missions or just chilling out and painting or something. Any one of these ideas, and more are waiting to get used, and we could see opportunities for character to shine through.

I'm just waiting and hoping.

[metalgorgomon]

Cronin already did. Go back to page one.

I mean other than the cover where we can only see him from aside..
But don't bother then.. I'll just wait for my issue/copy..:) Just can't wait...

[Cosmic Book Fan]

The problem isn't downtime stories themselves, just like anything else, it's how well their executed.

I think the main reason they've been so bland historically was that they were usually stock issues ready to fill in for late books, so nothing important could happen story-wise or character-wise. That's not the case now (though I'd still rather have a pointless fluff on the shelf than 3 months between issues) so downtime/transition issues should be much more effective now. But that all comes down to the writers and whether they can hang a plot on the strengh of the characters rather than the other way around. I haven't been buying since CW ended, and have never been much for paying attention to who the creative teams are, but lately it seems like so many writers build their plots and shoehorn the characters in however they can almost as an afterthought.

I could rant SO much more about this, but this is a review thread, so I'll restrain myself.

[worstblogever]

The problem isn't downtime stories themselves, just like anything else, it's how well their executed.

I think the main reason they've been so bland historically was that they were usually stock issues ready to fill in for late books, so nothing important could happen story-wise or character-wise. That's not the case now (though I'd still rather have a pointless fluff on the shelf than 3 months between issues) so downtime/transition issues should be much more effective now. But that all comes down to the writers and whether they can hang a plot on the strengh of the characters rather than the other way around. I haven't been buying since CW ended, and have never been much for paying attention to who the creative teams are, but lately it seems like so many writers build their plots and shoehorn the characters in however they can almost as an afterthought.

I could rant SO much more about this, but this is a review thread, so I'll restrain myself.

Well, yeah, restrain. Let's not talk about what's been happening in previous issues. Let's talk about how it was GOOD that this issue had some action, and some twists, and still showed us a bit into the minds of Betsy, Creed, and Baka Rogue while showing us the new world they're exploring.

I'm not jumping in the pool yet, but I've got a toe in the water, at least, now.

[The Black Guardian]

The questions I have are... how does Gambit have a Cajun accent if his "mom" Sue Richards is from the Northeast, and he's living on Genosha, in the Indian Ocean? Kid's gotta be adopted, right?
We don't know where this Sue Richards is from or what happened with human migration on this world. It's been 50 years since the meteor strike. Namor is of African decent; maybe some French influence there (quite a few French-speaking Africans on our world). There were quite a few people of French decent in Genosha on 616, too.

I'm enjoying this series more than its predecessor so far (mostly because of the lineup), and this issue was better than the last.

And I loved the Bloodforce! I didn't think they were cheesy at all.
The problem isn't downtime stories themselves, just like anything else, it's how well their executed.

I think the main reason they've been so bland historically was that they were usually stock issues ready to fill in for late books, so nothing important could happen story-wise or character-wise.
Your history does not jive with mine. Downtime stories have typically not been bland and they haven't usually been stock issues ready to fill in for late books. Most downtime issues are used as bridges between extremely active stories.

[DDM]

The problem isn't downtime stories themselves, just like anything else, it's how well their executed.

I think the main reason they've been so bland historically was that they were usually stock issues ready to fill in for late books, so nothing important could happen story-wise or character-wise. That's not the case now (though I'd still rather have a pointless fluff on the shelf than 3 months between issues) so downtime/transition issues should be much more effective now. But that all comes down to the writers and whether they can hang a plot on the strengh of the characters rather than the other way around. I haven't been buying since CW ended, and have never been much for paying attention to who the creative teams are, but lately it seems like so many writers build their plots and shoehorn the characters in however they can almost as an afterthought.

I could rant SO much more about this, but this is a review thread, so I'll restrain myself.


I beg your pardon. Downtime issues--when written well achieve just as much as the big action story issues. For example, Uncanny X-Men #110 has the X-Men playing baseball as Warhawk--who is disguised as a plumber--plants a bug within Cerebro to data mine all of Cerebro's knowledge as well as get knowledge of the X-Men's Danger Room. Warhawk is taunted by mysterious benefactor. Warhawk is defeated, but his job is done & the X-Man are unaware they are being watched. In Uncanny X-Men #129, we discover that Warhawk's benefactor is the Hellfire Club! From this issue, we learn eventually the Hellfire Club recreates Cerebro & the Danger Room at the White Queen's Massachusetts Academy; she also used the Cerebro to locate the Hellions who first appear in The New Mutants #16-17.

In Uncanny X-Men #201, the X-Men settle in after they returned from Asgard to rescue Storm & the New Mutants; in the meantime, Scott & Ororo duel for the leadership of the X-Men. Scott loses & moves to Alaska to only desert his wife weeks later to found X-Factor.

Virtually all of the Classic X-Men #1-44 back stories are downtime stories & all are exciting since they fill in the gaps.

[Excelsior]

IF CC makes Panther white, He will have concluded a trifecta of the most shocking alternate reality, seen in Exiles. And Yes I have read them all.

[Beast]

IF CC makes Panther white, He will have concluded a trifecta of the most shocking alternate reality, seen in Exiles. And Yes I have read them all.
I say he makes Black Panther.... Beast. In a black feline form. *Sagenods*

[Cosmic Book Fan]

I beg your pardon. Downtime issues--when written well achieve just as much as the big action story issues. For example, Uncanny X-Men #110 has the X-Men playing baseball as Warhawk--who is disguised as a plumber--plants a bug within Cerebro to data mine all of Cerebro's knowledge as well as get knowledge of the X-Men's Danger Room. Warhawk is taunted by mysterious benefactor. Warhawk is defeated, but his job is done & the X-Man are unaware they are being watched. In Uncanny X-Men #129, we discover that Warhawk's benefactor is the Hellfire Club! From this issue, we learn eventually the Hellfire Club recreates Cerebro & the Danger Room at the White Queen's Massachusetts Academy; she also used the Cerebro to locate the Hellions who first appear in The New Mutants #16-17.

In Uncanny X-Men #201, the X-Men settle in after they returned from Asgard to rescue Storm & the New Mutants; in the meantime, Scott & Ororo duel for the leadership of the X-Men. Scott loses & moves to Alaska to only desert his wife weeks later to found X-Factor.

Virtually all of the Classic X-Men #1-44 back stories are downtime stories & all are exciting since they fill in the gaps.

I've never been really into the X-verse, so maybe the use of downtime issues is better here than elsewhere. And I totally agree that downtime/transition issues that are planned as part of the ongoing can be great. It's just my experience in the books I've read that lots of downtime issues are fill-ins and nothing important can happen because of that.

But like I said in my previous post, I don't want to burn up this thread arguing this point.

[soulkiller]

It was just nice to see Rogue finally kicking butt! I don't care if it's not 616 Rogue at this point!

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z76/Rebel_Rogue/8-1.jpg

Ahhhh.... That's better.

Southern Gambit is disturbing though. And is it Remy or Remi? Pick one, eh?

[Hi-Fi]

LOL. Exiles Rogue is HOT. :o

[Jordan D. White]

And is it Remy or Remi? Pick one, eh?


Uh.... that's a, uh... a subtle way of indicating... the differences in character's speech patterns.

I get a no-prize!

[worstblogever]

The issue was passable, and does put some pieces in place for an interesting arc. Wondering how long it will be before Sabertooth calls back to the crystal palace for Sage, Morph, and Cat to come and save the day. (Definitely Sage.)

[Hi-Fi]

Ok, I just read this.

I thought it was fairly decent. The fight at the beginning was really badly handled and the dialogue is still cheesy, but I'm actually genuinely interested in this new world Claremont created and the politics behind it. I like Baka Rogue, but is she calls Gambit "G" one more time, I'll break the fourth wall and choke her myself. The art was pretty good. Nothing fantastic but nice to see.

[IronKing]

I'm sorry but there is no Exiles without Blink. I have every issue since like...forever. And it hurts me to do so. But this isn't the book I loved reading.

[Beast]

I'm sorry but there is no Exiles without Blink. I have every issue since like...forever. And it hurts me to do so. But this isn't the book I loved reading.
You read every issue since like forever, yet forgot she was gone for Exiles #22 - #37?

[IronKing]

I did, actually. Maybe I was so enamored with the rest of the crew it didn't matter. Or maybe it was the fact that the writing wasn't lackluster. Or maybe it was the art, when it was still "cool." Or no maybe it's because its been about 5 years and that's not the point I was making. She's no longer affiliated with the book. All we have left is Morph and Sabes.

Does it matter? The book has gone downhill. Were you trying to make some sort of point?

[Beast]

I did, actually. Maybe I was so enamored with the rest of the crew it didn't matter. Or maybe it was the fact that the writing wasn't lackluster. Or maybe it was the art, when it was still "cool." Or no maybe it's because its been about 5 years and that's not the point I was making. She's no longer affiliated with the book. All we have left is Morph and Sabes.

Does it matter? The book has gone downhill. Were you trying to make some sort of point?
A lot of people lost characters in the book they liked. Don't see them still bitching about Mimic.

I don't see how it could be more downhill than World Tour. Now that was lackluster.

So the question is more... do you have some sort of point?

[IronKing]

Yea, I'm hinting at the fact that this book sucks. Thought I'm not really sure of your problem with that. The change of characters is understandable, it just bothers me that the heart of the team has been written off. If the writing was good then I'd roll with it, but it hasn't been done well at all. That's my personal opinion. Why you took the time to quote that and belittle someone you'll never know is beyond me. So yea, maybe that's the point I'm making.

Ignore me, please, and I'll happily do the same.

[sbo]

It was just nice to see Rogue finally kicking butt! I don't care if it's not 616 Rogue at this point!

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z76/Rebel_Rogue/8-1.jpg

Ahhhh.... That's better.


When's the last time we got to see Rogue beating the snot out of people like this?
Seems like it's been years, I loved it!

I actually found myself pretty entertained by the story, and I'm looking forward to the next issue.
Not looking forward to seeing any more of Sage or Cat though, so far I just find them boring.

[Brian Cronin]

"The dialogue is not bad." - Okay

"The dialogue is bad, but it's not that big of a deal." - Okay

"Some other writer also had bad dialogue once." - Not Okay

-Brian

[The Black Guardian]

Exiles without Blink
You've hit upon the main reason I'm loving this title.:evilsmile

[Novaya Havoc]

"The dialogue is not bad." - Okay

"The dialogue is bad, but it's not that big of a deal." - Okay

"Some other writer also had bad dialogue once." - Not Okay

-Brian

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

My post!!!

[DeadXMan]

Yea, I'm hinting at the fact that this book sucks. Thought I'm not really sure of your problem with that. The change of characters is understandable, it just bothers me that the heart of the team has been written off. If the writing was good then I'd roll with it, but it hasn't been done well at all. That's my personal opinion. Why you took the time to quote that and belittle someone you'll never know is beyond me. So yea, maybe that's the point I'm making.

Ignore me, please, and I'll happily do the same.




but morph is the heart of the team. the playdate issue solidified it.

[darknessatnoon]

No Sage?! WTF?! First they remove her trademark beehive and give Sage dreadlocks, then saddle her with Diana Fox malware, and next she's written out of a complete issue! This is unacceptable.

More questions. Why does Wolverine have a patch on his eye when he's not in disguise? Is he actually missing an eye? Unlikely. So it's ridiculous. Also, I have no respect for this Wolverine, who clearly sat out the cross-time all-Wolverine squad led by Elsie Dee back in the old Exiles comics.

Why is Storm dressed as a genie?

This issue does not compute. I want Morph and I want to see Sage giving Cat Pryde a backhand. That is what I paid for.

[darknessatnoon]

double post for the errorX2 of neglecting the team leader, Sage.

[Hi-Fi]

They need to ditch Sage. This issue was better than the last one without her dragging everybody down.

[Excelsior]

Originally Posted by Brian Cronin
"The dialogue is not bad." - Okay

"The dialogue is bad, but it's not that big of a deal." - Okay

"Some other writer also had bad dialogue once." - Not Okay

-Brian

.......message recieved. I wonder tho, when the title was changed to NEW exiles, meaning all new, and nothing to do with past incarnations--does old readers expect it to be like vol.1, and if so I read vol.0, the Malibu run, and I wasnt upset when the book changed to the MArvel U.

[DDM]

New Exiles #2 is a pretty good read with the Rogue I wanted to see for years, although I am convinced this Rogue is not Rogue at all, but the Carol Danvers psyche has permanent control of Rogue's body; hence, the reason why Rogue did not absorb Gambit's powers. And it explains her seething hatred for Mystiq. I haven't figured out why she speaks Japanese though.

I really like the twist Namor & Black Panther are one & the same person on this world.

Blood Witch is an interesting character & I wouldn't mind if she joined the team at some point. Rough Justice has to be Vance Astro on this world.

Chris Claremont seems to be back to his old self in regards that I can't tell where the story is going.

8/10

[Disco Jess Minge]

.......message recieved. I wonder tho, when the title was changed to NEW exiles, meaning all new, and nothing to do with past incarnations--does old readers expect it to be like vol.1, and if so I read vol.0, the Malibu run, and I wasnt upset when the book changed to the MArvel U.

How long did that title run anyway? Five issues? Malibu was bought by Marvel because of the coloring system. But Marvel had to publish their titles in return.

The thing, I don't think they even knew about the Ultraverse Exiles when Marvel created the first Exiles. Maybe they wanted to use the copyright, but mostly it's because of the X in Exiles that probably enticed them.

I seriously doubt you developed a deep connection with the Ultraverse exiles that makes you make these comparisons. You just want to stock up on another reason to defend Dreamboat.

And yeah, we're still talking about this title like it's still Vol. 1 because it is all for different purposes, the same crappy Claremont comic that we've been reading since 2000, more specifically, the same hemmoraging that started in Exiles 90. The New tag is a joke because there's nothing in the title that feels new.

[Josef F.]

No Sage?! WTF?! First they remove her trademark beehive and give Sage dreadlocks,

LOLOLOLOL. I Liked that isuue of NEX. Noctage was FIERCE..
:D

then saddle her with Diana Fox malware, and next she's written out of a complete issue! This is unacceptable.

I suggest Dina Fox gets Spywared out!
And sage can be freed.
And be good.
Like she very occasionally would be.

This issue does not compute. I want Morph and I want to see Sage giving Cat Pryde a backhand. That is what I paid for.

I have hope for Cat.
Exiles Lockheed should be introduced
He should beLockheed/FinFangFoom
HA.
Gawd Exiles must be fun to write

[jester1436]

Actually, the second Ultraverse Exiles title was an attempt by Marvel to sell a mutant based book in the Ultraverse - they shipped Juggernaut, Siena Blaze and Reaper off to the Ultraverse and added on a bunch of random Ultras. The series almost lasted a whole year, but like the whole Ultraverse line was obviously a failure after Marvel strangled it to death.

Either way though, it really has squat to do with the Marvel version of Exiles, beyond mutants exiled to alternate realities. And it's utterly ridiculous to claim someone shouldn't be familiar with the 100+ issues of Exiles beforehand to present a valued appraisal of the title. For all intents and purposes, New Exiles #2 is really Exiles #102 - there have been no drastic changes that ultimately differentiate the two, other than Blink, Nocturne and Thunderbird being shuffled off to limbo.

Or maybe it's something like, Exiles is Golden Girls to New Exiles being Golden Palace, thus making Blink the wonderful Bea Arthur, though only in analogy.

[Excelsior]

Actually, I did read and invest time in every issue of exiles, including the Malibu series. Out of curiosity, because of the ire towards CC's depiction. Juggernalt joing the team was an interesting turn in the malibu version.

I think I will refer to CC as dreamboat from now on, its cute. And the fact exiles fans dismiss the old Malibu eXiles, yet get angry when it was done to them. Even tho the Malibu version was written by STEVER GERBER, and illustrated by PAUL PELLETIER, is even cuter.

And dont get me wrong, I wish the title of this series wasnt New Exiles, to break it from all previous ties--maybe NEX, eXpatriates or the Control.

[tetragene]

Actually, I did read and invest time in every issue of exiles, including the Malibu series. Out of curiosity, because of the ire towards CC's depiction. Juggernalt joing the team was an interesting turn in the malibu version.

I think I will refer to CC as dreamboat from now on, its cute. And the fact exiles fans dismiss the old Malibu eXiles, yet get angry when it was done to them. Even tho the Malibu version was written by STEVER GERBER, and illustrated by PAUL PELLETIER, is even cuter.

And dont get me wrong, I wish the title of this series wasnt New Exiles, to break it from all previous ties--maybe NEX, eXpatriates or the Control.

I don't even read New Exiles, but I have to correct you on this: Malibu Exiles and Marvel Exiles have no connetion to one another aside from featuring a few mutants from the MU in both. They are two books that, aside from the name, were not meant to have any connection to one another. Marvel either wanted to keep the copyright to the name (like they did by naming that Genosha book "Excalibur") or they simply thought no one would remember a failed series that had nothing to do with much of anything related to the new book they were creating. They share the same name, Marvel Exiles was not meant to be a continuation of Malibu Exiles in any way, shape, or form. New Exiles is meant to be a continuation of Marvel Exiles... otherwise New Exiles would have started as Exiles originally did--intro'ing us to a BRAND NEW team of characters. The New Exiles team basically formed in two other books prior to the launch: Exiles and DBTS.

[Disco Jess Minge]

Actually, I did read and invest time in every issue of exiles, including the Malibu series. Out of curiosity, because of the ire towards CC's depiction. Juggernalt joing the team was an interesting turn in the malibu version.

I think I will refer to CC as dreamboat from now on, its cute. And the fact exiles fans dismiss the old Malibu eXiles, yet get angry when it was done to them. Even tho the Malibu version was written by STEVER GERBER, and illustrated by PAUL PELLETIER, is even cuter.

And dont get me wrong, I wish the title of this series wasnt New Exiles, to break it from all previous ties--maybe NEX, eXpatriates or the Control.

Paul Pelletier did Ex-Mutants which tried to cash in on the X-Men success. He never did Ultraverse Exiles.

And you obviously never read this Exiles which was the first one, and lasted for four issues only.

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/6000/5137/5137-37638-1-exiles_400.jpg

Then it was restarted again at Marvel/Ultraverse and had some X-villains joining the team.

So I don't know why you are trying to use this flimsy excuse. Just accept that there are some fans that were rightly burned by this situation. It wouldn't bother me if Claremont did the ending much better and not have the characters be so OOC.

[greenshoes713]

Paul Pelletier did Ex-Mutants which tried to cash in on the X-Men success. He never did Ultraverse Exiles.

And you obviously never read this Exiles which was the first one, and lasted for four issues only.

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/6000/5137/5137-37638-1-exiles_400.jpg

Then it was restarted again at Marvel/Ultraverse and had some X-villains joining the team.

So I don't know why you are trying to use this flimsy excuse. Just accept that there are some fans that were rightly burned by this situation. It wouldn't bother me if Claremont did the ending much better and not have the characters be so OOC.

what does OOC mean?

[CmX]

what does OOC mean?

Written, Out Of Character.

[DDM]

Why aren't y'all actually discussing New Exiles #2?

[darknessatnoon]

Why aren't y'all actually discussing New Exiles #2?

Ok.

I thought it was really interesting that Xandir from Drawn Together was cast as Gambit.

http://www.comedycentral.com/images/shows/drawntogether/characters/xandir_m4.jpg

[Disco Jess Minge]

Written, Out Of Character.

Exactly. Having Blink kissing Morph right on the mouth in issue 100 was just plain wrong. CC claimed to have read all the previous issues yet this was ju Prst another scene in a long run that showed that he was just lying through his teeth.

Blink would never get all affectionate with the guy who killed her boyfriend, Mimic, especially when it's really Proteus in there, and she knows that.

[DeadXMan]

Exactly. Having Blink kissing Morph right on the mouth in issue 100 was just plain wrong. CC claimed to have read all the previous issues yet this was ju Prst another scene in a long run that showed that he was just lying through his teeth.

Blink would never get all affectionate with the guy who killed her boyfriend, Mimic, especially when it's really Proteus in there, and she knows that.

Why must you spoil Morph's Snuggle Time?

:rolleyes:

[CmX]

Exactly. Having Blink kissing Morph right on the mouth in issue 100 was just plain wrong. CC claimed to have read all the previous issues yet this was ju Prst another scene in a long run that showed that he was just lying through his teeth.

Blink would never get all affectionate with the guy who killed her boyfriend, Mimic, especially when it's really Proteus in there, and she knows that.

No kidding! It's kinda strange that Blink would just leave the team knowing how dangerous Morph is now, especially with the behavior modifier now broken. I find it hard to believe she'd just take off feeling comfortable with that knowing it could totally affect her and all of creation.

I don't know why CC didn't deal with this towards #100 or in Die by the Sword. And according to an interview I read he says he plans on working with Rogue and the others first before getting to that plot.. and that he has plots to take care of FIRST before that one that will take him up till 2009.

This will be canned by then or getting there, he better get a move on.

[Nachturne]

Ok.

I thought it was really interesting that Xandir from Drawn Together was cast as Gambit.

http://www.comedycentral.com/images/shows/drawntogether/characters/xandir_m4.jpg


Close the thread, this post WINS!

Full of awesome :)

[Excelsior]

Why aren't y'all actually discussing New Exiles #2?

because the issue was quite good. And you have to really nick pick at it to find faults.

New Exiles one and two are definite improvements over his previous 10 issues. I love the WTF factor he has going on in this new series. Chris if you are reading these boards, good job.

You deserve the chance to tell any story you want, forget us fans and write the stories, that you would normally think twice about telling. Shock us, Make us angry, Go twisted and demented---Rip the frame off the marvel Universe!

[DDM]

because the issue was quite good. And you have to really nick pick at it to find faults.

New Exiles one and two are definite improvements over his previous 10 issues. I love the WTF factor he has going on in this new series. Chris if you are reading these boards, good job.

You deserve the chance to tell any story you want, forget us fans and write the stories, that you would normally think twice about telling. Shock us, Make us angry, Go twisted and demented---Rip the frame off the marvel Universe!

After reading New Exiles #2, I've come to the conclusion Carol Danvers is controlling Rogue's body. It explains why Gambit did not zone out when he kissed her. It explains her hatred for the male version who is not really a man, Mystiq. I still can't figure out why Rogue is Japanese since she is very much American.

[Daithi]

I still can't figure out why Rogue is Japanese since she is very much American.

Maybe WWII ended a different way in Baka Rogue's world?

[DDM]

Maybe WWII ended a different way in Baka Rogue's world?

Perhaps the Carol Danvers psyche is Japanese?

[tetragene]

Perhaps the Carol Danvers psyche is Japanese?

Or maybe...just maybe...that Rogue took Japanese language courses in highschool... Or one (or both) of her adoptive parents were Japanese...

[DDM]

Or maybe...just maybe...that Rogue took Japanese language courses in highschool... Or one (or both) of her adoptive parents were Japanese...

I doubt it. Rogue picks up other people's idioms after she absorbs them. Rogue never said "crumbs" until she absorbed Shadowcat. And Rogue spoke fluent German after she absorbed Nightcrawler.

[Callisto]

awful issue. i'm so unimpressed and confused by everything going on. an atlantean gambit??? a black namor? what???? a genie looking storm and a pirates of the caribean wolverine? if your going to show different versions of characters claremont atleast make them COOL or somewhat morden genies and pirates were kool maybe....10 years ago? ugh i can't believe i acctually paid for this trash! i'm done with exiles! congratulations claremont you've ruined a book i once loved.

[DeadXMan]

I doubt it. Rogue picks up other people's idioms after she absorbs them. Rogue never said "crumbs" until she absorbed Shadowcat. And Rogue spoke fluent German after she absorbed Nightcrawler.

I'm going with Japan being the sole super power left in her world or any variation of that.

[steve2275]

LOL. Exiles Rogue is HOT. :o
and fiesty

[DDM]

awful issue. i'm so unimpressed and confused by everything going on. an atlantean gambit??? a black namor? what???? a genie looking storm and a pirates of the caribean wolverine? if your going to show different versions of characters claremont atleast make them COOL or somewhat morden genies and pirates were kool maybe....10 years ago? ugh i can't believe i acctually paid for this trash! i'm done with exiles! congratulations claremont you've ruined a book i once loved.

That's why it is an alternate Earth. A new world order has arose from the ashes of the old & deal with the meteors. Life goes on & it is distinctly different that what we know. I like the Black Namor Atlantean & Storm's war with him. We still don't know the details for the war. We'll find out next issue...

[DDM]

I'm going with Japan being the sole super power left in her world or any variation of that.

It's a possible reason. I hope Claremont revisits that Earth when he explains Rogue at some point.

[Nachturne]

Why is Gambit cajun/french and his family isn't??

And does anyone else feel like calling this character "Gambit" is little more than a ploy to entice the fans of the Gambit/Rogue relationship? What ABOUT this character has anything to do with Gambit?

[metalgorgomon]

Finally ready the issue, i I really like it. The world they visit seems very interesting. My understanding from reading it, I'm not sure that the world is in order but it seems to be in a chaos because of the war (between warlords?).

And I'm not sure that Namor is the Black Panther though.There were probably three big parties involved: Storm, Black Panther (to be seen) and The Athlantean. The Athlantean probably neutral but they have their own problem (rebel) hence the capture of Susan Storm and Namor.

Rogue is totally fierce and it's really nice to see this version of rogue. It seems she's gonna be the team's powerhouse. I'm not particularly crazy with her calling Gambit by "G" though..

While I'm enjoying the world the Exiles are visiting, I hope Claremont won't make the Exiles as background characters and features them as much as the new characters in the new world.

Moreover.. My guessing that Mystique has gone rogue posing as one of the Panther's Bloodforce.

[DDM]

Rogue is totally fierce and it's really nice to see this version of rogue. It seems she's gonna be the team's powerhouse. I'm not particularly crazy with her calling Gambit by "G" though..

According to Claremont, this Rogue comes from wealth. She would have a more refined idioms than the 616 Rogue.

While I'm enjoying the world the Exiles are visiting, I hope Claremont won't make the Exiles as background characters and features them as much as the new characters in the new world.

Chris Claremont is not making the Exiles background characters.

Moreover.. My guessing that Mystique has gone rogue posing as one of the Panther's Bloodforce.

You may be right. Mystiq still has not shown her true colors though even though she is a he. The male version is pretty a much a lie. That's why I like about him/her.

[darknessatnoon]

Why is Gambit cajun/french and his family isn't??

And does anyone else feel like calling this character "Gambit" is little more than a ploy to entice the fans of the Gambit/Rogue relationship? What ABOUT this character has anything to do with Gambit?

You're right about it being a ploy. It's because Gambit was the author's last commercially successful character creation (excepting Bloody Bess of the Crimson Pirates -- an amazing silver-boobed character design), and now he's cashing in on random alternate universe versions. I didn't think it could get any more random than a universe where Reed Richards dates Elektra, but CC always proves me wrong. If I were a Gambit fan, I'd sue. Since I'm not, I'll sit back and just enjoy the short road to cancellation.

[Joe Franklin]

because the issue was quite good. And you have to really nick pick at it to find faults.


I agree. There has never been a bad comic book with Sabretooth in it. Creed makes any comic book great.:cool:

[DeadXMan]

I agree. There has never been a bad comic book with Sabretooth in it. Creed makes any comic book great.:cool:

three words

Marry shelly overdrive

[Blade X]

if your going to show different versions of characters claremont atleast make them COOL or somewhat morden genies and pirates were kool maybe....10 years ago?

Genies might no longer be cool or popular these days, but pirates are definitely cool and popular these days. The ONE PIECE and the PIRATES OF THE CARIBEAN movies (which were all huge box office hits) are proof that pirates are popular these days.

[xmanson]

I agree. There has never been a bad comic book with Sabretooth in it. Creed makes any comic book great.:cool:

Guess you haven't read that horrendous Loeb arc in Wolverine.

And I wonder who the Black Panther will be...

[Blade X]

Why is Gambit cajun/french and his family isn't??

And does anyone else feel like calling this character "Gambit" is little more than a ploy to entice the fans of the Gambit/Rogue relationship? What ABOUT this character has anything to do with Gambit?

I haven't read this issue yet (I'll get around to it soon), but Gambit could be talking with a Cajun/French accent because he grew up in or around a Cajun/French speaking society.

I agree with you that calling this character Gambit is definitely a ploy to entice the Gambit fans, as well as fans of the Gambit/Rogue relationship (which is not to say that they will get together).

[Nachturne]

I haven't read this issue yet (I'll get around to it soon), but Gambit could be talking with a Cajun/French accent because he grew up in or around a Cajun/French speaking society.


Except that he's Atlantean and none of his family speaks this way.

[Excelsior]

You're right about it being a ploy. It's because Gambit was the author's last commercially successful character creation (excepting Bloody Bess of the Crimson Pirates -- an amazing silver-boobed character design), and now he's cashing in on random alternate universe versions. I didn't think it could get any more random than a universe where Reed Richards dates Elektra, but CC always proves me wrong. If I were a Gambit fan, I'd sue. Since I'm not, I'll sit back and just enjoy the short road to cancellation.

Or he could be having the time of his life, writing the characters he created. He cant help what other writers have done with the "G" man.

By the way, how does one cash in--Taking your meaning as a negative--- on a character they have created??

[darknessatnoon]

Or he could be having the time of his life, writing the characters he created. He cant help what other writers have done with the "G" man.

By the way, how does one cash in--Taking your meaning as a negative--- on a character they have created??

By "cash in" -- a phrase which I do intend negatively -- I mean to say CC is "cynically exploiting" the investment readers have in the character, especially since the new blond, half-black, elvin, Atlantean, Gambit, has zero qualities in common with "616" Gambit. If this automatic writing is the kind of thing he produces when he's having the "time of his life," I don't want to even see what he churns out on a bad day.

[Excelsior]

By "cash in" -- a phrase which I do intend negatively -- I mean to say CC is "cynically exploiting" the investment readers have in the character, especially since the new blond, half-black, elvin, Atlantean, Gambit, has zero qualities in common with "616" Gambit. If this automatic writing is the kind of thing he produces when he's having the "time of his life," I don't want to even see what he churns out on a bad day.


I feel the same way about blink. Im glad shes gone. Her only powers were to be pink and androgynous.

[darknessatnoon]

I feel the same way about blink. Im glad shes gone.

If that's an attempt to bait, it won't work on me. I don't care about blink. My heart is devoted to Sage.

[Excelsior]

If that's an attempt to bait, it won't work on me. I don't care about blink. My heart is devoted to Sage.

Mine too.. I loved her origin story in Xtreme X-men.

[darknessatnoon]

Mine too.. I loved her origin story in Xtreme X-men.

Excellent. Please vote on Sage's behalf against the upstart White Bunny.

[Omegastorm]

If that's an attempt to bait, it won't work on me. I don't care about blink. My heart is devoted to Sage.Sage intrigues me, and I like her but not enough to make her a favorite.

o

[DeadXMan]

Guess you haven't read that horrendous Loeb arc in Wolverine.

And I wonder who the Black Panther will be...


The red skull.

[Blade X]

Except that he's Atlantean and none of his family speaks this way.

Actually, he is half Atlantean and we don't know where he and his family grew up or spent most of their time living at. And remember, people who are raised or grow up in a certain area since they were kids usually adapt the language and accent/speech patterns of the area they live in. The same cannot always be said about adults, but it can and does sometime happens to them as well.

[darknessatnoon]

Actually, he is half Atlantean and we don't know where he and his family grew up or spent most of their time living at. And remember, people who are raised or grow up in a certain area since they were kids usually adapt the language and accent/speech patterns of the area they live in. The same cannot always be said about adults, but it can and does sometime happens to them as well.

The other half is the Invisible Woman, and she gave no indication of an accent in either issues 1 or 2. But whatever. You're right. It's possible that his nanny was from New Orleans.

[DeadXMan]

The other half is the Invisible Woman, and she gave no indication of an accent in either issues 1 or 2. But whatever. You're right. It's possible that his nanny was from New Orleans.

or NO was were he grew up after being exiled or ran away to.

[Excelsior]

JANUARY MARKET SHARES
Based on Actual Sales for Comics, Magazines, & GNs Invoiced in January 2008

Rank---------Retail Rank-------------- Index Description
44---------47---------- 62.89----------- NEW EXILES #1* $2.99 MAR
99---------80------------32.21------------EXILES DAYS O/THEN & NOW $3.99 MAR

Pokin fun abit, The difference is probably cover price

[Callisto]

Genies might no longer be cool or popular these days, but pirates are definitely cool and popular these days. The ONE PIECE and the PIRATES OF THE CARIBEAN movies (which were all huge box office hits) are proof that pirates are popular these days.

that was simply a box office hit because it was an altogether good movie..not because "pirates are cool" and the pirates looks in the books aren't even executed as nicely as it is in the pirates of caribean.

[jester1436]

that was simply a box office hit because it was an altogether good movie..not because "pirates are cool" and the pirates looks in the books aren't even executed as nicely as it is in the pirates of caribean.

Pirates have actually been a "cool" fad for the past few years beyond Johnny Depp. Much like ninjas and zombies.

[DeadXMan]

Pirates have actually been a "cool" fad for the past few years beyond Johnny Depp. Much like ninjas and zombies.

as long as George Romero walks the earth, zomibes will never fad.

:mad:

[Callisto]

Pirates have actually been a "cool" fad for the past few years beyond Johnny Depp. Much like ninjas and zombies.

no they are not. unlike ninjas and zombies there aren't that many pirate movies.

[DeadXMan]

no they are not. unlike ninjas and zombies there aren't that many pirate movies.

not since the 40's:(

[Flinkman]

gosh, being a newbie around here...i don't want to jump in the middle of a war between CC lovers & haters (seeing as though, on average w/ his 80's Uncanny work included, i like Claremont) but even though this issue flows better than the debut issue & all of Die By The Sword, it's just a hodge podge Marvel Universe mess! alternate Earth's in pre-CC Exiles made sense: Magnus, son of Magneto & Rogue, who actually had a thing in both the 616 & AOA. Nocturne, daughter of Nightcrawler & the Scarlet Witch. both gypsies, both mutants, both heroes. Sunfire, opting for the female cousin in the family over the male. i could go on, but i fear it would be redundant.

this version of Exiles, where T'Challa appears to be Namor and Gambit is his son with the Invisible Woman despite the fact that he doesn't even remotely resemble someone with said heritage? sorry, but that's like throwing crap at a wall & seeing what sticks IMO.

i'll grant it only the slightest bit of amnesty because, who knows, by the end of the arc it might make more sense...but with such gems as 75% of X-Treme X-Men, and all of Die By The Sword, New Excalibur & 10ish issues of Exiles vol.1 to look at as examples of his current storytelling abilities, i personally don't believe CC has any stories worth reading left in him.

depending on what other comics come out when issue #3 does, i'll likely be dropping this title for good.

[DeadXMan]

it's been kinda quite since Dazzler now out of cc hands and into Bru's

Of coruse this will end once he kills her.
Then we'll see see some flaming wars

btw CC has posted That Namor is not the black panther
He's just a Black version of Namor

Much like exiles Heather hudson was.

[metalgorgomon]

this version of Exiles, where T'Challa appears to be Namor and Gambit is his son with the Invisible Woman despite the fact that he doesn't even remotely resemble someone with said heritage? sorry, but that's like throwing crap at a wall & seeing what sticks IMO.


If you really read it, Namor is not The Black Panther. He is just a Black version of Namor. The Black Panther has not appeared yet in issue #2. The Panther seems to be allied with the Atlanteans Rebel in overthrowing Namor as the ruler of Atlantis.

I understand that you're being sceptical. But lots of us actually enjoying this series. While I agree that DBTS was not a good mini and not to mention has bad art, his 10ish issue of Exiles were alrite.

I cannot say that I'm a CC lover, But rite now, I'm just enjoying what CC has delivered so far in New Exiles.

[metalgorgomon]

Damn.. you beat me, DeadXMan

[DeadXMan]

Damn.. you beat me, DeadXMan

:D I try :p

[Flinkman]

it's been kinda quite since Dazzler now out of cc hands and into Bru's

Of coruse this will end once he kills her.
Then we'll see see some flaming wars
this has nothing to do with Dazzler. am i happy to see one of my favorite characters out of the hands of a writer who butchered her? hell yes! but my criticism of New Exiles is about CC, in my opinion, destroying a concept & characters i used to love. Exiles under Winick & Bedard was my FAVORITE monthly Marvel title and, while i'm glad books i've always wanted to love more like adjectiveless & Uncanny X-Men have finally stepped up to that position (thanks, in no small part, to the exorcism of Claremont & his last few years in 616 continuity), i hate where the previous owner of that honor has ended up.

btw CC has posted That Namor is not the black panther
He's just a Black version of Namor

Much like exiles Heather hudson was
gosh, wouldn't it be nice if the narrative in the story was able to convey that message rather than us needing him to clarify? sorry, but i thought that maybe because they called him "the Panther" as opposed to the Black Panther we might be experiencing some kinda kooky role reversal.

[steve2275]

Namor is not The Black Panther. He is just a Black version of Namor.
i think thats :cool:

[DeadXMan]

ok anyway.

Can't wait for the next issue

[metalgorgomon]

gosh, wouldn't it be nice if the narrative in the story was able to convey that message rather than us needing him to clarify? sorry, but i thought that maybe because they called him "the Panther" as opposed to the Black Panther we might be experiencing some kinda kooky role reversal.

Thing is.. I actually know that Namor is not Black Panther from reading the book, not from Chris Claremont nor someone else. And there was nothing in the issue mentioned that Namor is the Black Panther.
In page 19, Storm said that The Panther had an alliance with the Rebel Atlantean to overthrow Namor. Here it is..


http://i26.tinypic.com/108g5ky.jpg

[Beast]

gosh, wouldn't it be nice if the narrative in the story was able to convey that message rather than us needing him to clarify? sorry, but i thought that maybe because they called him "the Panther" as opposed to the Black Panther we might be experiencing some kinda kooky role reversal.
It's called a cliffhanger ending. Leaving the reader with questions about the nature of a character that brings them back to the next issue for answers. It's a common thing in comic books. It's been used quite a bit in Exiles when characters with big changes from their 616 counterparts were introduced.

[Nachturne]

I love how rather than examining point for point a dissenting argument, people bring up Dazzler and condescend. Nice.

Anyway, this book is still a mess, Gambit still makes no sense, and this cliffhanger is....bleh. We'll see. It looks more and more like CC is trying to undercut the Storm/BP marriage and show how it SHOULD be by what he would have done. He's a man with a huge ego who set up the Xmen so lots of people could go places better than where he did.

[Beast]

I love the conspiracy theories. They're so non-sensical.

Considering CC wrote the original Storm/BP issue. And wrote the Annual that lead into the marriage. :p

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

it's been kinda quite since Dazzler now out of cc hands and into Bru's

Of coruse this will end once he kills her.
Then we'll see see some flaming wars

btw CC has posted That Namor is not the black panther
He's just a Black version of Namor

Much like exiles Heather hudson was.

ewww. brubaker has dazzler. from bad to about as bad

[DeadXMan]

MAW HA HA!!!


yes, the tears of Dazzler fans will be the crowing jewels of Joe's thorn of sorrows.

[Beast]

Can we get off Dazzler? (No cracks!)

She has nothing to do with the book at all.

[darknessatnoon]

Nice new cover:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13051

It includes the original team!

[Beast]

Nice new cover:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13051

It includes the original team!
Wow. Another sell-out. Thanks for the heads up. :)

[DeadXMan]

You know that second printing is gonna sell out cause of the kick ass Logan cover:D

I don't think exiles ever sold out in the last series, little alone twice

[metalgorgomon]

Great news.. Pirate Wolverine and Vampire Chick on the Cover of #2. Nice indeed..

[Beast]

Here's a larger version. Since CBR's won't open. :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/NewExiles22.jpg

[darknessatnoon]

Here's a larger version. Since CBR's won't open. :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/NewExiles22.jpg

Oh, that's not the one I saw on there. Strange.

[Beast]

Oh, that's not the one I saw on there. Strange.
The one you saw is the New Exiles #0 issue. :)

[Excelsior]

*Ahem* I wont say it.

[DeadXMan]

*Ahem* I wont say it.

you know you want to :D

[ImpulseUCF]

He looks more like a genie than a pirate right there.

[Beast]

Yeah, I think there's supposed to be an 'Arabian Knights' flair to the world. He looks hunky, regardless.

[DDM]

Great news.. Pirate Wolverine and Vampire Chick on the Cover of #2. Nice indeed..

Her name is Blood Witch. She can't be a real vampire since she is out in the daylight...

[Beast]

Her name is Blood Witch. She can't be a real vampire since she is out in the daylight...
She must be.... a Reverse Vampire!! :cool: :D

[Dizzy D]

Her name is Blood Witch. She can't be a real vampire since she is out in the daylight...

Or she has the Darkhold, or she is more like Bram Stoker's vampires or any of many possibilities.

[DDM]

Or she has the Darkhold, or she is more like Bram Stoker's vampires or any of many possibilities.

The Darkhold is the source for vampires. I think Blood Witch may be a mutant vampire...

[Joe Franklin]

Wow. Another sell-out. Thanks for the heads up. :)


It has Sabretooth in it, so of coarse it is going to sell out.:cool:

Sabretooth is a marketing machine.

[metalgorgomon]

It has Sabretooth in it, so of coarse it is going to sell out.:cool:

Sabretooth is a marketing machine.

And of course.. The Genie turn Pirate Wolverine..

[DDM]

Here's a larger version. Since CBR's won't open. :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/NewExiles22.jpg

It's Hammer Time (http://youtube.com/watch?v=EMzoBkaFxh4)!

[Joe Franklin]

And of course.. The Genie turn Pirate Wolverine..

Remember the 60's cartoon Hannah/Barbera's "Shazan", not Shazam you DC heads, Shazan the genie.:D

[IronKing]

Any bets on how long this series has until cancellation? If New X-Men, Heroes for Hire, and Cable/Deadpool couldn't cut it, there's no way this book will. The obvious reasons have already been stated.

Anyone interested in the Exiles, start from the beginning. Definitely don't start here.

[Joe Franklin]

Any bets on how long this series has until cancellation? If New X-Men, Heroes for Hire, and Cable/Deadpool couldn't cut it, there's no way this book will. The obvious reasons have already been stated.

Anyone interested in the Exiles, start from the beginning. Definitely don't start here.

The first 2 issues have sold out, so you might want to rethink your post for now.;)

[IronKing]

The Exiles have been a big name, and it was a relaunch. I would hope it'd sell well. Wasn't the first issue ranked around 40-50? Is that good for a relaunch? I don't usually look at stats.

But I've invested so much time in the Exiles over the years. It was my favorite book by issue #40. So it hurts me to read Claremont's run. Anyone I've talked to in person has pretty much agreed. I'd go more in depth but I'm pretty sure Beast will have some crooked response.

In all honesty though, I don't see the new series lasting that long. There's no way.

[Joe Franklin]

In all honesty though, I don't see the new series lasting that long. There's no way.

The first series lasted to 100 issues with craptacular sales figures, so why won't Claremont's version do the same?

[Beast]

Yes. It sold 46+K copies. Which doesn't include Subscriptions, Alternatives to Diamond, or the Reprint, etc.

Exiles Vol. 1 hadn't sold at that level since Issue #4.

[metalgorgomon]

...There's no way.

Are you pulling off Jen Hudson??

Well, many satelite books were cancelled though, to be replaced by others.. It's just the way things go. So I'm guessing it is a possibility. I just hope CC (or other writers that'll replace him) will deliver good stuff in the upcoming issues of New Exiles.

[IronKing]

Because the writing is lame...

Comics are a lot more popular now than they were when Exiles first started. A lot of people were just introduced to them. With the quality of most Marvel books nowadays, like everything Brubaker, I'm willing to bet most won't stick around.

[IronKing]

Who is Jen Hudson?

[Beast]

Because the writing is lame...

Comics are a lot more popular now than they were when Exiles first started. A lot of people were just introduced to them. With the quality of most Marvel books nowadays, like everything Brubaker, I'm willing to bet most won't stick around.
You find it lame. That's your opinion. It's not like anyone is forcing you to read it.

And not really. Comic sales are pretty much down across the board at this point.

Look at books like Ultimate Spider-Man for examples. Only big events bring in major sales.

[metalgorgomon]

Who is Jen Hudson?

Jennifer Hudson. She sings Jennifer Holiday's And I'm Telling You hence the ".. there's no way". OOT though..

[IronKing]

Oh. lol!

And look I'm not trying to irk anyone. I'm just amazed that some people are loving this run. I figured anyone reading Exiles has been reading it for a while, and could see that the quality is suffering.

[Beast]

Oh. lol!

And look I'm not trying to irk anyone. I'm just amazed that some people are loving this run. I figured anyone reading Exiles has been reading it for a while, and could see that the quality is suffering.
I've been reading it since Issue #1. And trust me, it's way better than it was under Bedard.

[IronKing]

No way!! That's the first time I've ever heard that. lol No freaking lie.

If Bedard's run wasn't that great I'm surprised you stuck around so long.

[Beast]

No way!! That's the first time I've ever heard that. lol No freaking lie.

If Bedard's run wasn't that great I'm surprised you stuck around so long.
So now you're calling me a liar because I prefer it to Timebreaker Bugs and World Tour? Please. :p

[IronKing]

Pssssh yea :evilsmile

As opposed to Final Fantasy Gambit and three characters nobody cares about. :p

[Joe Franklin]

Comics are a lot more popular now than they were when Exiles first started.

Nope. Comic sales have fallen rapidly since the 21st century. Inflation will do this.

[Brian Cronin]

Nope. Comic sales have fallen rapidly since the 21st century. Inflation will do this.

Superhero comics.

Comic book sales are up.

-Brian

[Joe Franklin]

Superhero comics.

Comic book sales are up.

-Brian

True. I should have said Marvel superhero comic books.:)

[Beast]

True. I should have said Marvel superhero comic books.:)
Still doing better than DC. ;)

[Joe Franklin]

Still doing better than DC. ;)

Because Marvel has the best stable of writers and artists in the business right now.:cool:

[DeadXMan]

Her name is Blood Witch. She can't be a real vampire since she is out in the daylight...

dose the term "daywalker" mean anything to you?;)

[Joe Franklin]

dose the term "daywalker" mean anything to you?;)

"Real Vampire" is worse. Supernatural Vampires of any kind are pure fiction afterall.;) :D

[Novaya Havoc]

The first 2 issues have sold out, so you might want to rethink your post for now.;)

A relaunch #1 and it sold around New Excalibur #1 numbers.

And we know how NEX turned out.

[Excelsior]

A relaunch #1 and it sold around New Excalibur #1 numbers.

And we know how NEX turned out.

yeah but this series has the benefits of a healthy CC *knocks on wood* He had that terrible health condition in the middle of his run on that book.

So far, the writing in New eXiles is superior to that run, and its only been 2 issues.

[Brian Cronin]

I'd prefer it if we kept the sales talk out of the discussion, period. Sales does not equate quality, and lack of sales does not equate quality, so why bother discussing it?

In fact, consider it a rule - no sales talk.

I'll allow the inclusion of stuff like if a book sells out and gets a second printing, because otherwise, it'd have to go in its own thread, and who wants THAT? :)

-Brian

[Excelsior]

I'd prefer it if we kept the sales talk out of the discussion, period. Sales does not equate quality, and lack of sales does not equate quality, so why bother discussing it?

In fact, consider it a rule - no sales talk.

I'll allow the inclusion of stuff like if a book sells out and gets a second printing, because otherwise, it'd have to go in its own thread, and who wants THAT? :)

-Brian

Yeah, like I dont need any more encouragement. :D :D :D
Im glad my fellow readers are enjoying the series enough to warrant a second print.

[Excelsior]

Ok which one of my fellow posters killed the Exiles #3 thread??

[DeadXMan]

I think it was the pages of useless banter of how could "G"be Blond if his daddy's black.

skimmed through the pages it was getting out of hand

[metalgorgomon]

Was New Exiles #3 thread deleted?? Gosh, wonder whether the unnecessary debate on scientific proof on G's origin went horrible.

For those who missed the Previews of issue #3, here it is:
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0802/20/marvelfirsts.htm

And we actually have one bonus page, complementary from Comicsbulletin, and special thanks to ReturnoftheComeback for linking us to the interviews.
Here is the picture:
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/features/images/0802/newexiles/newexiles37.jpg

And this is the link to the thread:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=210566

[Excelsior]

I think it was the pages of useless banter of how could "G"be Blond if his daddy's black.

skimmed through the pages it was getting out of hand

I thought it was useful. Im sort of new to CBR, does this mean- threads are often closed when things get spirited?

[darknessatnoon]

I thought it was useful. Im sort of new to CBR, does this mean- threads are often closed when things get spirited?

That thread was seriously out of hand and totally offensive to a rational mind.

[John Sage]

That thread was seriously out of hand and totally offensive to a rational mind.

Business as usual for these boards then!

Re Gambit's origins, it seems to me like Gambit and Ariel (was it?) could be Susan's kids from an earlier marriage/relationship and the two younger kids could be from her relationship with the Black Panther.

[Excelsior]

Business as usual for these boards then!

Re Gambit's origins, it seems to me like Gambit and Ariel (was it?) could be Susan's kids from an earlier marriage/relationship and the two younger kids could be from her relationship with the Black Panther.

or they could be twins.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/10/twinsL_450x301.jpg

[Nachturne]

Re Gambit's origins, it seems to me like Gambit and Ariel (was it?) could be Susan's kids from an earlier marriage/relationship and the two younger kids could be from her relationship with the Black Panther.

I don't think thats possible, being that there are certain Atlantean features "Gambit" (Nambit? Gamor? I like Gamor. Calling him Gambit makes me feel dirty) possesses. Also, Sue Storm fell out of a rocket from the sky to the water where she met Namor...which doesn't mean its definate she didnt have kids, but it wasn't set up in any way that she did.

Also, who cares on this biracial child possibilities crap. There's plenty of complete inconsistencies and things that dont make sense that don't need to dredge up more supposition on genetics/bastardization of science. That's likely why the thread was deleted before. Not saying you're saying anything about it, this is just to anyone who's going to post next on this crap.

[Excelsior]

My last word on the subject, of genetics..in the good book IE the Bible---it says we were all born from two people Adam and Eve... so whats the point?

[DDM]

Blood Witch might make for a good member of The Exiles....

[Beast]

Blood Witch might make for a good member of The Exiles....
I'm just happy that Gambit appears to be joining. Woo. :)

[John Sage]

I don't think thats possible, being that there are certain Atlantean features "Gambit" (Nambit? Gamor? I like Gamor. Calling him Gambit makes me feel dirty) possesses. Also, Sue Storm fell out of a rocket from the sky to the water where she met Namor...which doesn't mean its definate she didnt have kids, but it wasn't set up in any way that she did.

Also, who cares on this biracial child possibilities crap. There's plenty of complete inconsistencies and things that dont make sense that don't need to dredge up more supposition on genetics/bastardization of science. That's likely why the thread was deleted before. Not saying you're saying anything about it, this is just to anyone who's going to post next on this crap.

Really didn't mean anything by it, honestly!

[Blade X]

Also, who cares on this biracial child possibilities crap. There's plenty of complete inconsistencies and things that dont make sense that don't need to dredge up more supposition on genetics/bastardization of science. That's likely why the thread was deleted before. Not saying you're saying anything about it, this is just to anyone who's going to post next on this crap.

Please enlightened us on what else doesn't make sense about Gamor (I like that name:) ).

[Nachturne]

Please enlightened us on what else doesn't make sense about Gamor (I like that name:) ).

The cajun, how in any way he is anything remotely like Gambit at all. There's nothing about him that's at all Gambit except the names. And I get the whole "alternate U" but where's the line? Can we just show up on a world and call some chick who has blonde hair, a belly ring, dressed in pink with a poodle "Wolverine" and have it make much sense?

I'm just saying this is an "any character". He could be anyone in the entire world, yet CC called him Gambit to pander to the Gambit/Rogue fans. And it's annoying as a Gambit fan to see it. I love love loved the first time Gambit showed in Exiles. Recognisable, but still different from the 616 we knew.

[metalgorgomon]

I'm just happy that Gambit appears to be joining. Woo. :)

I like this Nambit/Gamor/Gambit. Is he confirmed to be joining? Wonder who'll leave the group..

[Blade X]

The cajun, how in any way he is anything remotely like Gambit at all. There's nothing about him that's at all Gambit except the names. And I get the whole "alternate U" but where's the line? Can we just show up on a world and call some chick who has blonde hair, a belly ring, dressed in pink with a poodle "Wolverine" and have it make much sense?

I'm just saying this is an "any character". He could be anyone in the entire world, yet CC called him Gambit to pander to the Gambit/Rogue fans. And it's annoying as a Gambit fan to see it. I love love loved the first time Gambit showed in Exiles. Recognisable, but still different from the 616 we knew.

You bring up a number of good points and I completely understand (and partially agree with) some of your points.

Just because a character from an alternate earth has the same name (and accent) of his/her 616 counterpart, DOES NOT mean that they have to have other similarities to the 616 character that goes by the same name. I see this alternate version of Gambit the way I see Angel (Warren) from the X-Men, in that they are new characters who have the same codenames (and in Gabor's case, the same first name) as an existing older character. That all being said, I completely agree with you that CC should NOT have called Gabor something else instead of "Gambit".

I should also point out that Gabor is not a unique occurrence in EXILES. The alternate version of Heather Hudson/Sasquatch was (to a lesser extent) an alternate AMALGAMATED version of 2 characters that did not make much sense.

And yes, CC is pandering to the Gambit/Rogue fans (or at the very least, trying to appeal to the Gambit fans) by calling this character Gambit. So what? Pandering and/or appealing to fans of existing characters has been SOP for EXILES since the very beginning of the series. Hell, the whole reason why Blink,Morph,and (later) Sabretooth were placed on this team is because the editors were trying to get all of those people who read and enjoyed the AGE OF APOCALYPSE to pick up the book. Blinl,Morph,and AOA Creed are all fan favorite characters.

[Nachturne]

I should also point out that Gabor is not a unique occurrence in EXILES. The alternate version of Heather Hudson/Sasquatch was (to a lesser extent) an alternate AMALGAMATED version of 2 characters that did not make much sense.

Well...the first Sasquatch in Exiles was Heather Hudson, which was a team member of Alpha Flight (and is a member of that team in 616). It was really just that gender swap for the character. The powers remained the same, just gender swap and new name that is of an existing character. The second Sasquatch was just the first but black.

In 616 Gambit has absolutely no connection to Atlantis, Namor or Sue Storm. So, where is the thread of logic? In Exiles there was always SOME thread of logic, because all these universes are in common with 616. You can see the similarities, and the differences. In this one, specifically Gambit, there is nothing that the character has in common with his 616 counterpart than his name. Like I said, CC could have given him ANY name and it wouldn't have made a difference in the story. And that's more what I mean about pandering. I get all books pander to a degree, but CC isn't using Gambit the character, he's using Gambit the name. Which isn't going to satisfy your Gambit fans, your Gambit/Rogue fans, or anything. It's just confusing and comes off as a ploy. Why else call him Gambit when he is fundamentally not-Gambit.

As well, this undo's a bit of established canon about Gambit, specifically AU Gambits. Gambit in every incarnation is supposed to have immense (kinetic) power, that can be used to burn out the planet. It was revealed by the New Sun in the Gambit series from the 90s. So, where's his immense and incredible power? Where's his kinetic power? Where are his eyes?? I predict, actually, he'll become a vampire and get those eyes. Which...well, how predictable.

Thats my point. It seems like little thought went into making this character Gambit other than calling him Gambit. And please, it's against the rules to bring up other writers and stuff in these discussions. I don't care what Winick did, or Bedard did, or Carey, Morrison, etc. It's irrelevant. This is New Exiles, and so let's stick to the topic at hand.

[DeadXMan]

how is it against the rules?
this is an alternative to a character CC created.

[Blade X]

Well...the first Sasquatch in Exiles was Heather Hudson, which was a team member of Alpha Flight (and is a member of that team in 616). It was really just that gender swap for the character. The powers remained the same, just gender swap and new name that is of an existing character. The second Sasquatch was just the first but black.

In 616 Gambit has absolutely no connection to Atlantis, Namor or Sue Storm. So, where is the thread of logic? In Exiles there was always SOME thread of logic, because all these universes are in common with 616. You can see the similarities, and the differences. In this one, specifically Gambit, there is nothing that the character has in common with his 616 counterpart than his name. Like I said, CC could have given him ANY name and it wouldn't have made a difference in the story. And that's more what I mean about pandering. I get all books pander to a degree, but CC isn't using Gambit the character, he's using Gambit the name. Which isn't going to satisfy your Gambit fans, your Gambit/Rogue fans, or anything. It's just confusing and comes off as a ploy. Why else call him Gambit when he is fundamentally not-Gambit.

As well, this undo's a bit of established canon about Gambit, specifically AU Gambits. Gambit in every incarnation is supposed to have immense (kinetic) power, that can be used to burn out the planet. It was revealed by the New Sun in the Gambit series from the 90s. So, where's his immense and incredible power? Where's his kinetic power? Where are his eyes?? I predict, actually, he'll become a vampire and get those eyes. Which...well, how predictable.

Thats my point. It seems like little thought went into making this character Gambit other than calling him Gambit. And please, it's against the rules to bring up other writers and stuff in these discussions. I don't care what Winick did, or Bedard did, or Carey, Morrison, etc. It's irrelevant. This is New Exiles, and so let's stick to the topic at hand.

Considering the fact we're having a rational discussion of the book, I find that uncalled for. I also recall Cronin saying such was against the rules. As well, I loved Gambit first time around in Exiles (when he was similar to his counterpart). But thats beside the point. Let's stick to talking about Claremont. And not what other fans may/may not have to say.

1. I don't know how well you know the history of the 616 versions of Heather Hudson and Sasquatch, but the amalgamated EXILES version of these 2 characters doesn't make much sense when you compare her to the 616 versions. Of course, it doesn't have to make sense because it's an alternate amalgamated version of the 616 version of those 2 characters.

2. Did you ever think that maybe another possible reason why CC named Gabor "Gambit" is to throw readers a huge curve ball? And any Gambit or Rogue fans who pick up this book and expect for those 2 characters to be very similar to their 616 counterparts, need to stop reading this book and need to start and/or continue reading comics that feature the REAL Gambit and Rogue.

3. You can't possibly think that the "New Sun" story from the 90's Gambit series was going to apply to every alternate version of Gambit or that any writer who ever uses an alternate version of Gambit was going to reference that story. In fact, IIRC, the previous version of Gambit that appeared in EXILES did not have immense kinetic power.

4. Where in my post did I bring up or mention other writers? Everything I said in my post, with the exception of the 2 different versions of Angel (the ORIGINAL Golden Age version from 1939 and the mutant/X-Men version from 1963), related to EXILES/NEW EXILES. And if we can't mention anything in this thread that is not related to EXILES/NEW EXILES, then why did you bring up the 90's GAMBIT series?

[The Black Guardian]

The cajun, how in any way he is anything remotely like Gambit at all. There's nothing about him that's at all Gambit except the names. And I get the whole "alternate U" but where's the line?
There is no line. This Gambit makes as much sense as the original does. It's just that you have years of reading his story, so you're biased for it.
Can we just show up on a world and call some chick who has blonde hair, a belly ring, dressed in pink with a poodle "Wolverine" and have it make much sense?
Absolutely.
I'm just saying this is an "any character". He could be anyone in the entire world, yet CC called him Gambit to pander to the Gambit/Rogue fans. And it's annoying as a Gambit fan to see it. I love love loved the first time Gambit showed in Exiles. Recognisable, but still different from the 616 we knew.
Why would anyone want to pander to a Rogue or Gambit fan?

[Nachturne]

1. I don't know how well you know the history of the 616 versions of Heather Hudson and Sasquatch, but the amalgamated EXILES version of these 2 characters doesn't make much sense when you compare her to the 616 versions. Of course, it doesn't have to make sense because it's an alternate amalgamated version of the 616 version of those 2 characters.

And this is what I meant by bringing other wirters/stuff into it. Heather Hudson/Sasquatch has nothing to do with it. It's just more "Well, this guy did it, so why can't CC??!" It doesn't excuse anything for him, it just makes a bad argument.


2. Did you ever think that maybe another possible reason why CC named Gabor "Gambit" is to throw readers a huge curve ball? And any Gambit or Rogue fans who pick up this book and expect for those 2 characters to be very similar to their 616 counterparts, need to stop reading this book and need to start and/or continue reading comics that feature the REAL Gambit and Rogue.

3. You can't possibly think that the "New Sun" story from the 90's Gambit series was going to apply to every alternate version of Gambit or that any writer who ever uses an alternate version of Gambit was going to reference that story. In fact, IIRC, the previous version of Gambit that appeared in EXILES did not have immense kinetic power.

4. Where in my post did I bring up or mention other writers? Everything I said in my post, with the exception of the 2 different versions of Angel (the ORIGINAL Golden Age version from 1939 and the mutant/X-Men version from 1963), related to EXILES/NEW EXILES. And if we can't mention anything in this thread that is not related to EXILES/NEW EXILES, then why did you bring up the 90's GAMBIT series?

It's interesting. Because when people are upset about the change from Exiles to New Exiles it's all "BUT ITS A NEW BOOK! Its completely different!!!" Yet when defending New Exiles in this manner its "Its still Exiles!!" Come on.

And bringing up the continuity of a character related to the book is more relevant than bringing up the book that preceeded this one, which this one has obviously taken no points from. Anyway.

As for a curve ball, I don't give CC that much credit. I will weigh in more when I SEE what the outcome is, but I'm sick of arguing supposition. You think it's a curve ball? Great. Lets talk about it when it's revealed to be that way, or made clear that was CC's intent. Arguing assumptions is really tiresome, makes little sense, yet comes with every CC book. Let's end that trend right here.

[Nachturne]

There is no line. This Gambit makes as much sense as the original does. It's just that you have years of reading his story, so you're biased for it.

Absolutely.


Ok, well, I'm talking about how Exiles once was, and how there was always some line of logic that brought you to the character. That's obviously not how it is anymore because it is "All New". So cool. Enjoy.

[xmanson]

Gambit's mutation is to be blonde and pretty.

The end.

[Blade X]

And this is what I meant by bringing other wirters/stuff into it. Heather Hudson/Sasquatch has nothing to do with it. It's just more "Well, this guy did it, so why can't CC??!" It doesn't excuse anything for him, it just makes a bad argument.

It's interesting. Because when people are upset about the change from Exiles to New Exiles it's all "BUT ITS A NEW BOOK! Its completely different!!!" Yet when defending New Exiles in this manner its "Its still Exiles!!" Come on.

And bringing up the continuity of a character related to the book is more relevant than bringing up the book that preceeded this one, which this one has obviously taken no points from. Anyway.

As for a curve ball, I don't give CC that much credit. I will weigh in more when I SEE what the outcome is, but I'm sick of arguing supposition. You think it's a curve ball? Great. Lets talk about it when it's revealed to be that way, or made clear that was CC's intent. Arguing assumptions is really tiresome, makes little sense, yet comes with every CC book. Let's end that trend right here.

1. Come on, you know what I mean. Don't try to avoid arguing the issues by falsely accusing me of bringing up other writers work.

2. What happened to "Let's stick to talking about Claremont. And not what other fans may/may not have to say."? And for the record I NEVER said or used the "it's a new book, so it's completely different" excuse in ANY of my posts.

3. You know as well as I do that the continuity of 616 has NOTHING to do with this book. So please, follow the rules you keep throwing up in my face, and stick to discussing all things related to EXILES/NEW EXILES. And please don't pull that BS excuse about NEW EXILES being a completely different book from EXILES. You know the 2 books are the same.

4. Again, you're being a hypocrite. You say you're sick and tired of arguing suppositions/assumptions, and yet you made an assumption/prediction that CC will Gabor into a vampire in order to make him more resemble his 616 counterpart.

[Nachturne]

1. Come on, you know what I mean. Don't try to avoid arguing the issues by falsely accusing me of bringing up other writers work.

2. What happened to "Let's stick to talking about Claremont. And not what other fans may/may not have to say."? And for the record I NEVER said or used the "it's a new book, so it's completely different" excuse in ANY of my posts.

3. You know as well as I do that the continuity of 616 has NOTHING to do with this book. So please, follow the rules you keep throwing up in my face, and stick to discussing all things related to EXILES/NEW EXILES. And please don't pull that BS excuse about NEW EXILES being a completely different book from EXILES. You know the 2 books are the same.

4. Again, you're being a hypocrite. You say you're sick and tired of arguing suppositions/assumptions, and yet you made an assumption/prediction that CC will Gabor into a vampire in order to make him more resemble his 616 counterpart.


Why are you so defensive and confrontational?? No one is accusing you specifically of anything, and you take everything personally, then make it personal for everyone else. Jeez. You'd think we were insulting your mother instead of a comic writer who likely doesn't know you exist.

When you can calm down and stop being so foul about everything, maybe we'll talk. Until then, talk to yourself.

[Stephane Garrelie]

For me its a new book.

[Blade X]

Why are you so defensive and confrontational?? No one is accusing you specifically of anything, and you take everything personally, then make it personal for everyone else. Jeez. You'd think we were insulting your mother instead of a comic writer who likely doesn't know you exist.

When you can calm down and stop being so foul about everything, maybe we'll talk. Until then, talk to yourself.

Pot meet kettle.

I only take things personally when I am personally being accused of doing something I did not do.

And just so you know, I am very calm,cool,and collective:cool: . Of course, I'm pretty sure that you that already, but I guess you had to find a way to gracefully bow out of a debate that you were obviously loosing.:D

[Novaya Havoc]

collective

Simple typo, or Freudian slip?

[Nachturne]

Anyway, now that I can't see the crazy, is there any actual reason that CC has decided to make this character Gambit? I'm seriously wondering. Has anything been made clear yet about why it was important that this character be Gambit??

[Blade X]

Simple typo, or Freudian slip?

U-decide:)

[Excelsior]

With this being a new Exiles book, with a whisker thin attachment to the previous book, and seeing that we are only 2 issues in. Has it met new readers expectations, im curious..drop a line.

[Blade X]

Anyway, now that I can't see the crazy, is there any actual reason that CC has decided to make this character Gambit? I'm seriously wondering. Has anything been made clear yet about why it was important that this character be Gambit??

Now now, no name calling. Remember, insulting other posters is against the rules on this forum. I think you really need to cool down:)

And yes, I know you have me on ignore, but I'm pretty sure someone will tell you what I just posted.

[Nachturne]

With this being a new Exiles book, with a whisker thin attachment to the previous book, and seeing that we are only 2 issues in. Has it met new readers expectations, im curious..drop a line.

I wonder if there are any new readers. Is anyone reading this who wasn't a prior Exiles or CC fan? That'd be interesting to know.

[DeadXMan]

Gambit's mutation is to be blonde and pretty.

The end.

so is his power is basicly the same im the 616. the blonde must be his second mutation.

[DeadXMan]

With this being a new Exiles book, with a whisker thin attachment to the previous book, and seeing that we are only 2 issues in. Has it met new readers expectations, im curious..drop a line.

considering the back to back sell outs I would say, yes

now I left when the bugs were introduced. It felt bland and uninteresting tried out WT but the same bland and uninteresting with forced nostisa. Got back when CC came on broad, found to an improvement but really needed to remove two things (The Bugs and the palace)

CC got rid of the bugs and started exploring the Palace ( with the best person for the job, Kitty)

[Blade X]

Over on the comixfan boards, CC answered a bunch of questions concerning NEW EXILES and Gabor. His answers can be found in the last 3 or 4 pages of the EXILES thread in the X-Men forum.

[darknessatnoon]

Now now, no name calling. Remember, insulting other posters is against the rules on this forum.