X-Force/Lupine Avengers #1 Spoilers/Review

[Brian M.]

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By now most of it has been spoiled anyway but here it goes:

Cyclops is at Angel's Aerie up in Colorado. He calls Logan to tell him about a recent incident at SHIELD.

Turns out Risman, Leader of the Purifiers turned himself in. Just walked up and turned himself in. Turns out, Purifiers have guys stationed all over the government, SHIELD...everywhere. Their like Earthbound Skrulls.

Agent Latcham of SHIELD is a Purifier. He is a bit sad his buddy Josh pulled armory duty that night. Latcham shoots Josh in the head. Gives weapons to the Purifiers who are with him. They leave the SHIELD base.

Cyclops says it must be the reason SHIELD and others haven't helped out mutants, the Purifiers have folks everywhere.

Logan asks him what they were looking for, Scott doesn't know.

Scott tells Logan it's time they take care of this problem. He wants him to put X-Force back together. He's died of dealing with problems AFTER they have buried mutant bodies.

Logan tells him he doesn't know if he should be impressed or worried, does Emma know?

Emma doesn't know.

Logan's impressed.

Flash to Warpath buring Caliban. James says he promises to avenge him. I swear all these pages have been shown. Only like 6 of the actually pages were new.

Scott says w/ or w/o X-Force Warpath is going after the Purifiers. X-23 is already...Logan stops him. They fight about how Laura is Logan's responsiblity, he's not gonna let her go down that path again. Scott said he doesn't have to ask her, he already did.

Laura is in the SHIELD armory where Latcham and the other Purifiers got weapons and something else. Laura is watching video feed, Latcham killed himself to protect the mission. She can't tell what it was. But she has their sent, she can find them.

Logan punches Scott. More speeches on how it's his repsonsiblity...blah blah. Scott tells him X-Force is happening, with or without him.

Logan confronts Rahne. Tells her to go away. She doesn't have to do this. She says it's HER CHOICE. She needs to know...grrrrr.

Cut to the Purifiers base in North Dakota. They talk about Nimrod and how he worked and told them future. They realized this wasn't the first time Nimrod jumped back into time.

Logan and X-Force are outside the church. He tells them they might hang around the X-Men, might be friends with them, but they aren't X-Men if they go through with this. Last chance to ditch...no one goes.

Back to the Purifiers...turns out the way they recruit is with a list of obituraries Nimrod gave them, deaths that hadn't happened yet. They go to these people and "save" them. This new "Nimrod" will help them restore the old one they retook from Eagle Plaza. They will use the body of the old Nimrod and the head of .... BASTION, to recreate the perfect mutant killing machine.

Bastion is activated: Warning. Mutants Detected!!!

X-Force is slicing their way through the Purifiers. Lot of great action and blood and brutal Rambo style killings. It's beautiful. I cried a bit.

Just then Risman tells them to stand down...he's got a gun to the back of Rahne's head. X-23 tells them he's bluffing and kills two Purifiers.

Risman: I don't bluff...

BAM BAM!!!!

To Be Continued...

REVIEW:
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I loved this book. One of the things that is so great about it is the way Yost and Kyle write the characters. The interpersonal relationships can really be felt. It's what made New X-Men feel so great, they really do understand the characters they write. The tension is there between Scott and Logan, Logan and Rahne.

The art work is good. I'm not gonna say it's perfect, but it's not bad. Muscle bound mutants and sexy, sleek females...it's no Frank Cho and it's no Rob Liefeld. If the book has ANY weak points, it's in the art...somewhere. I can't really pin it down. But it's damn good. The violence is graphic. If you thought Tan was graphic in some of the stuff he did in Rise and Fall w/ Brubaker...this eats that for breakfest.

Overall I give 9 outta 10 Wahoo Bundy's.

Read it.

[Croaker]

By now most of it has been spoiled anyway but here it goes:

Cyclops is at Angel's Aerie up in Colorado. He calls Logan to tell him about a recent incident at SHIELD.

Turns out Risman, Leader of the Purifiers turned himself in. Just walked up and turned himself in. Turns out, Purifiers have guys stationed all over the government, SHIELD...everywhere. Their like Earthbound Skrulls.

Agent Latcham of SHIELD is a Purifier. He is a bit sad his buddy Josh pulled armory duty that night. Latcham shoots Josh in the head. Gives weapons to the Purifiers who are with him. They leave the SHIELD base.

Cyclops says it must be the reason SHIELD and others haven't helped out mutants, the Purifiers have folks everywhere.

Logan asks him what they were looking for, Scott doesn't know.

Scott tells Logan it's time they take care of this problem. He wants him to put X-Force back together. He's died of dealing with problems AFTER they have buried mutant bodies.

Logan tells him he doesn't know if he should be impressed or worried, does Emma know?

Emma doesn't know.

Logan's impressed.

Flash to Warpath buring Caliban. James says he promises to avenge him. I swear all these pages have been shown. Only like 6 of the actually pages were new.

Scott says w/ or w/o X-Force Warpath is going after the Purifiers. X-23 is already...Logan stops him. They fight about how Laura is Logan's responsiblity, he's not gonna let her go down that path again. Scott said he doesn't have to ask her, he already did.

Laura is in the SHIELD armory where Latcham and the other Purifiers got weapons and something else. Laura is watching video feed, Latcham killed himself to protect the mission. She can't tell what it was. But she has their sent, she can find them.

Logan punches Scott. More speeches on how it's his repsonsiblity...blah blah. Scott tells him X-Force is happening, with or without him.

Logan confronts Rahne. Tells her to go away. She doesn't have to do this. She says it's HER CHOICE. She needs to know...grrrrr.

Cut to the Purifiers base in North Dakota. They talk about Nimrod and how he worked and told them future. They realized this wasn't the first time Nimrod jumped back into time.

Logan and X-Force are outside the church. He tells them they might hang around the X-Men, might be friends with them, but they aren't X-Men if they go through with this. Last chance to ditch...no one goes.

Back to the Purifiers...turns out the way they recruit is with a list of obituraries Nimrod gave them, deaths that hadn't happened yet. They go to these people and "save" them. This new "Nimrod" will help them restore the old one they retook from Eagle Plaza. They will use the body of the old Nimrod and the head of .... BASTION, to recreate the perfect mutant killing machine.

Bastion is activated: Warning. Mutants Detected!!!

X-Force is slicing their way through the Purifiers. Lot of great action and blood and brutal Rambo style killings. It's beautiful. I cried a bit.

Just then Risman tells them to stand down...he's got a gun to the back of Rahne's head. X-23 tells them he's bluffing and kills two Purifiers.

Risman: I don't bluff...

BAM BAM!!!!

To Be Continued...

Sounds great! I won't get the issue until tomorrow, but i peeked at the First Look issue last week at my LCS. I really enjoyed the art quite a bit. Looks like paintings and was reminiscent of the old Havok and Wolverine graphic novels in some ways, at least to me.

[frog]

I still don't buy it that Emma doesn't know. Come on, she hacks into his dreams, how the hell is Cyclops going to keep this from her?

[Jackob]

I still don't buy it that Emma doesn't know. Come on, she hacks into his dreams, how the hell is Cyclops going to keep this from her?

he probly files it in his mind with some thing boring like "taxes 1997",
so she over looks it

he was married too, taught by, and is sleeping with 3 of the top telepaths in the world, so he has probly picked up some tips

[Croaker]

I still don't buy it that Emma doesn't know. Come on, she hacks into his dreams, how the hell is Cyclops going to keep this from her?

I wonder about that myself. Perhaps the how will be revealed later. As for possibilities, perhaps some X-Men training is about blocking telepathic intrusion. Or, maybe Emma respects some of Scott's privacy and doesn't really look everywhere in his brain? Beats me, just tossing ideas out there.

[frog]

I wonder about that myself. Perhaps the how will be revealed later. As for possibilities, perhaps some X-Men training is about blocking telepathic intrusion. Or, maybe Emma respects some of Scott's privacy and doesn't really look everywhere in his brain? Beats me, just tossing ideas out there.

It just doesn't seem likely that if she goes into his dreams she really respects boundaries and wouldn't sense something as important as the new X-Force team hidden in his mind.

However, it's just a nitpick. I won't let it keep me from enjoying the book. I know the rest of the X-Men will find out sooner or later. When it's said noone else must know it's a given it will happen!

[Madrox84]

Sounds cool.

Diamond willing i should be getting my copy tomorrow.

[Stardog]

Awesome book. I was sad to see New X-men go but those guys put together a kick-ass comic with surprises, character development and brutal action. The art is great too. Between this and X-Factor I'm a happy boy.

[chickrockguitar]

Can't wait to get my copy tomorrow!

[Optic Rage!]

''Immoral. I simply can not stand killing and violence is never the answer.''

Who ever picked this..i wonder if they even read the book?

If your still defending the killing of Purifiers after everything that was shown in this book then you really are living in a fantasy world.

Anyways, Amazing book.

Loved the art.

[Brian M.]

''Immoral. I simply can not stand killing and violence is never the answer.''

Who ever picked this..i wonder if they even read the book?

If your still defending the killing of Purifiers after everything that was shown in this book then you really are living in a fantasy world.

Anyways, Amazing book.

Loved the art.

Gotta give everyone a voice, but lets discuss the story, we have plenty of threads to rag on the nanna boys.

[Optic Rage!]

Gotta give everyone a voice, but lets discuss the story, we have plenty of threads to rag on the nanna boys.

Yeah, your right. I should know better.

So, whats the story with Bastian.

The last i seen him he was a severed head during the twelve, and i thought he got blown up or something.

[Brian M.]

Yeah, your right. I should know better.

So, whats the story with Bastian.

The last i seen him he was a severed head during the twelve, and i thought he got blown up or something.

Nope, the head is still "alive" It's not on the body of old Nimrod.

[timbox]

Awesome and intense, wow, great book.

Did I miss how Risman got Rahne?

9/10... 10/10 if Laura would lose the mask. ;)

[ChristosSoter]

I wonder how exactly Rhane will be protected from that gun.

[Brian M.]

I wonder how exactly Rhane will be protected from that gun.

Your assuming she survives.

[timbox]

Off-panel gun shot cliffhanger... do we really think he shot her in the head?

Also, glad I got the bloody variant, matches the interior action scenes very well.

[Cayman]

It was a great start! Some of the best Wolverine we've seen recently.

[claimtosubclaim]

Bastion is a bastard! Glad to see he's back though. 90's editorial killed his potential when they rejected Lobdell's original ending. Let them not make the same mistake twice. I hope Bastion becomes bigger than just X-Force, spilling into the rest of the X-Verse. I need that sweet, sweet rematch with Iceman so Bobby can kick the crap out of him without SHIELD interfering anymore.

[Teh m0nk3y]

I love Crain's rendition of Rahne. I love Crain's rendition of Rahne. Have I mentioned how much I love Crain's rendition of Rahne yet?

I loved every page of this book. I loved how Cyclops and Wolverine were portrayed. Seeing X-23 back in her element feeding Scott with Intel had me with goosebumps. None of the interaction so far shown was in any way whatsoever fluff. It all drove in the points of conflict. Both emotional and physical.
The Purifiers were shown as extreme fanatics in their cause, and it is clearly spelled out what level of threat they are.

Two thumbs up!

[frog]

Off-panel gun shot cliffhanger... do we really think he shot her in the head?

Also, glad I got the bloody variant, matches the interior action scenes very well.

Was it completely off-panel with just the sound of the shots? Could have been someone else shooting him. I doubt Rahne dies because of her vision of murdering Madrox and Layla in the future - that becomes completely irrelevant if she's dead, plus we need to find out what the Purifier's connection to her past is.

[darknessatnoon]

Bastion is a bastard! Glad to see he's back though. 90's editorial killed his potential when they rejected Lobdell's original ending. Let them not make the same mistake twice. I hope Bastion becomes bigger than just X-Force, spilling into the rest of the X-Verse. I need that sweet, sweet rematch with Iceman so Bobby can kick the crap out of him without SHIELD interfering anymore.

What was the original ending? Did he kill Marrow?

[frog]

''Immoral. I simply can not stand killing and violence is never the answer.''

Who ever picked this..i wonder if they even read the book?

If your still defending the killing of Purifiers after everything that was shown in this book then you really are living in a fantasy world.

Anyways, Amazing book.

Loved the art.

I'm not the typical "kill em all-let god sort em out" person, but I have to admit I'm going to enjoy seeing the Purifiers get what is coming to them. It's cathartic to read about it in comics and fiction even if it doesn't work that well in reality.

[claimtosubclaim]

What was the original ending? Did he kill Marrow?

Lobdell meant for Bastion to be the third figurehead of the X-Verse in terms of ideals. Xavier, Magneto, and Bastion. Bastion wins the war (and Xavier's mansion remains stripped bare), making it so that every member of the X-Men camp is displaced and on the run from the law.

[Phil Hunn]

If your still defending the killing of Purifiers after everything that was shown in this book then you really are living in a fantasy world.

You're the one defending the killing of the Purifiers, I think you'll find.

And pardon me if I don't want to see heroes turning into butchers...

What was the original ending? Did he kill Marrow?

No. The original ending Lobdell intended, I believe, was to have Magneto show up at the end of the crossover and hand out mutant justice. Meanwhile, the X-Men would have been ejected from their mansion and gone on the run (hence Lobdell's assertion at the start of the crossover that OZT really was zero-tolerance against mutants).

[timbox]

Was it completely off-panel with just the sound of the shots? Could have been someone else shooting him.

It shows him holding Rahne, in shakles with a gun to her head. X-23 says he's bluffing, he doesn't want to kill her. X-23 attacks, kills a couple guys. It shows a panel with just Risman's face, "I don't bluff, mutant."

Then a panel with just the word BLAM!!

[frog]

It shows him holding Rahne, in shakles with a gun to her head. X-23 says he's bluffing, he doesn't want to kill her. X-23 attacks, kills a couple guys. It shows a panel with just Risman's face, "I don't bluff, mutant."

Then a panel with just the word BLAM!!

Thanks!

Yes, there's no telling who fired that shot then or where it went.

[The Cool Thatguy]

It shows him holding Rahne, in shakles with a gun to her head. X-23 says he's bluffing, he doesn't want to kill her. X-23 attacks, kills a couple guys. It shows a panel with just Risman's face, "I don't bluff, mutant."

Then a panel with just the word BLAM!!

...what on earth makes X-23 think that the leader of an anti-mutant organization that wiped out a hospital of humans just to kill one mutant, wouldn't kill Rahne?

[claimtosubclaim]

Thanks!

Yes, there's no telling who fired that shot then or where it went.

It's mossad agent Sabra. OZT part deux!

[Teh m0nk3y]

...what on earth makes X-23 think that the leader of an anti-mutant organization that wiped out a hospital of humans just to kill one mutant, wouldn't kill Rahne?

She has keen senses?

[The Lucky One]

I wonder about that myself. Perhaps the how will be revealed later. As for possibilities, perhaps some X-Men training is about blocking telepathic intrusion.

More than some... every X-Man trained by Xavier himself is taught how to resist telepathic intrusion by any psi, up to and including Xavier himself. No telepath should ever be able to read an X-Man's mind unless he specifically allows it, or if they have a ton of time to break him down and get in there. The same used to hold true for the Marauders too- Sinister gave them all psi-blocks that kept Psylocke from reading Sabretooth's mind until he devoted all of his concentration to battling Wolverine.

The last i seen him he was a severed head during the twelve, and i thought he got blown up or something.

His head was recovered in the Warlock series by the villain Mainspring. Mainspring accessed Bastion's hybrid mind and deleted the Bastion and Nimrod personalities, leaving only the Master Mold personality behind, then turned it into his henchman Template. Template was obliterated in Warlock #8, although apparently Bastion's head survived and has regained his Bastion personality... somehow.

-D

[frog]

Bring me the head of John the Bastion!

New X-Force rallying cry.

[Sheldon]

Not enough stabbing in it.

[RodeoWearden]

Is laura still wearing that Lone Ranger mask from the cover art? Cause...damn. Seriously?

[Toboe]

Amazing. I'm loving it to no end.

Yost and Kyle's use of the characters is perfect, and their interactions with each other feel so natural. Especially Wolverine's strained relationship with Cyclops over this, and how he is shown to be protective of Laura.

Getting into the thoughts of X-23 was interesting, they're so systematic, and she seems to be extremely confortable with the situation she is into as it's all she's ever known all her life. I'm curious as to why she'd just give up on becoming human. Was it Hellion's injury?

I loved the art, it fits very well with the tone of the book, and all the characters look fantasti. I really like the uniforms and how Rahne looks, but X-23 need to drop that dreadful mask.

Just on thing is bothering me. How exactly is Cyclops planning to hide the whole thing from Emma? He may have learned a few tricks from Xavier and Jean, but Emma has been shown several times getting deep into his mind with no problem and without permission. Besides, why exactly is he hiding it from her? She's Emma Frost! She would surely be delighted with the idea.

[Agent_Torpor]

Just got back from my local. I was all set to buy this, then I just happened to flip through it.

Ha ha ha.

I put it down and bought Aaron's "Wolverine" instead. That says everything right there.

Meanwhile, the other tools in the store were ripping on X-F left and right.

[Agent_Torpor]

Is laura still wearing that Lone Ranger mask from the cover art? Cause...damn. Seriously?

Yeah, that was pretty LOLZ inducing. Rocky Raccoon, you ain't.

[timbox]

Chris Yost, I know you're reading this! It's unanimous, we want to see Laura's eyes. Don't make me call Scottie.

[Optic Rage!]

You're the one defending the killing of the Purifiers, I think you'll find.

And pardon me if I don't want to see heroes turning into butchers...


Oh, well its a shame you cant get over yourself. Your missing out on a great book.

I have to say, i love the way Crain draws Cyclops, i think its the first time i actually liked his current costume.

[worstblogever]

Bastion is a bastard!

All robots are bastards by definition, because they're created and their "parents" are never married.
:D

[Brian M.]

All robots are bastards by definition, because they're created and their "parents" are never married.
:D

Robin Williams was a good robot. I liked that movie.

[worstblogever]

Robin Williams was a good robot. I liked that movie.

Psst... he was a robo-bastard. I mean... when you think of robots... you think Bastion. Ultron. And of course...

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Bender-Magnet-C11756104.jpeg

If that's not proof, I don't know what is. :D

[ExodusCloak]

Just on thing is bothering me. How exactly is Cyclops planning to hide the whole thing from Emma? He may have learned a few tricks from Xavier and Jean, but Emma has been shown several times getting deep into his mind with no problem and without permission. Besides, why exactly is he hiding it from her? She's Emma Frost! She would surely be delighted with the idea.

We'll just have to wait and see. Wasn't there an interview(X-position IRRC) a while back where Yost talked about the exact issue and said it'll be dealt with in one of the later issues of X-Force(Or Uncanny) "How does one keep secrets from a telepath? One will just have to wait and see how Cyclops deals with this problem." I'm paraphrasing but it was something along those lines.

Just read it and I was blown a way. Amazing.

[worstblogever]

We'll just have to wait and see. Wasn't there an interview(X-position IRRC) a while back where Yost talked about the exact issue and said it'll be dealt with in one of the later issues of X-Force(Or Uncanny) "How does one keep secrets from a telepath" one will just have to wait and see.

Just read it and I was blown a way. Amazing.

Maybe Scott co-opted the psi-blockers Bishop had during Messiah CompleX?

[darknessatnoon]

Maybe Scott co-opted the psi-blockers Bishop had during Messiah CompleX?

Or maybe she already knows, and he doesn't know she knows. Or, he knows she knows but doesn't know that she knows he knows she knows. I am losing track.

[Toboe]

Yeah, I guess there could be a lot of ways for him to hide X-Force's existance from her. But I'm sure she'd find out eventually...

I'm more curious about why he is hiding it from her, though.

[ExodusCloak]

Maybe Scott co-opted the psi-blockers Bishop had during Messiah CompleX?

It's possible. I think the reason why Scott might be keeping this from Emma might run deeper. In the Torn arc of Astonishing X-Men we learnt that Emma is not mentally stable, the way X-Force is run is very similar to how she ran things at the Hellfire Club. Maybe Scott is trying to protect her from that kind of lifestyle. (However if that's the case you'd think he'd do the same for X-23.)

[Maestro]

Stop using the phrase "Lupine Avengers"! It SUCKS.

[Brian M.]

Stop using the phrase "Lupine Avengers"! It SUCKS.

Your mother sucks!!!!

[ClanAskani]

I voted for Really Good (writing was good, but I'm not too keen on the art. The graphic violence was what bothered me the most), but I can understand the Immoral side.

One one hand, it's setting up some interesting situations and dynamic between the characters is fantastic. I have to admit I think this is a rather good use of Wolverine, especially in terms of his relationship with Laura.

I don't like the idea of the X-Men killing, Laura going back to being a killer, or Rahne getting dragged into all of this. Yet, it's hard to argue that they shouldn't go after the Purifiers after what's they've done, especially how many students they've killed, and what they could do. I wish Scott left it to just Wolverine, but the moral ambiguity and character dynamics are what makes this issue so great. The Purifiers have it coming, but I hate to see Laura, Rahne and even Jimmy having to lower themselves to their level.

[worstblogever]

It's possible. I think the reason Scott might be keeping this from Emma might run deeper. In the Torn arc of Astonishing X-Men we learn that Emma is not mentally stable, the way X-Force is run is very similar to how she ran things at the Hellfire Club. Maybe Scott is trying to protect her from that kind of lifestyle. (However if that's the case you'd think he'd do the same for X-23.)

Remember that Emma also mind-wiped everyone's knowledge of where Destiny's diaries are, including herself, to ensure secrecy. For all we know, she's opting to stay out of Scott's head in the interests of keeping his, and the X-Men's secrets. The old Ben Franklin saying being, "Three can keep a secret if two are dead." Well... maybe Emma decides to get out of his mind to assure fewer people know the secret, so there's fewer people to pry the knowledge of them away from...

Or Marvel's taking the whole Invasion "Who do you trust?" thing to the nth degree...

[Toboe]

It's possible. I think the reason Scott might be keeping this from Emma might run deeper. In the Torn arc of Astonishing X-Men we learn that Emma is not mentally stable, the way X-Force is run is very similar to how she ran things at the Hellfire Club. Maybe Scott is trying to protect her from that kind of lifestyle. (However if that's the case you'd think he'd do the same for X-23.)

Fair point. It could be he fears she might abuse the knowledge and go back to her old ways.

I am amazed by how insensitive he seems to be towards Laura.

Or maybe she already knows, and he doesn't know she knows. Or, he knows she knows but doesn't know that she knows he knows she knows. I am losing track.

LOL!

[worstblogever]

Your mother sucks!!!!

I don't think it sucks, but it's still nowhere near as cool as "Team Scratch 'N' Sniff"...

[Brian M.]

I don't think it sucks, but it's still nowhere near as cool as "Team Scratch 'N' Sniff"...

Were you here when the original Lupine incident went down? Lupine Avengers goes back way before X-Force.

Where's rwsmith? Where's rilokyle? Someone back me up here.

[Jackob]

Were you here when the original Lupine incident went down? Lupine Avengers goes back way before X-Force.

Where's rwsmith? Where's rilokyle? Someone back me up here.

the lupine avengers were established before the name x-force was established

[mike626]

I can't wait to pick this up! :D

[Beast]

A pretty good first issue. The book certainly fits Kyle and Yost's sensibilities better. The only aspect I didn't like was dusting off Bastion and bringing him back. Otherwise, can't wait for #2.

[worstblogever]

A pretty good first issue. The book certainly fits Kyle and Yost's sensibilities better. The only aspect I didn't like was dusting off Bastion and bringing him back. Otherwise, can't wait for #2.

I had wondered if Risman could handle running the Purifiers and making them long-term enemies of the X-Men, or if they'd go the way of the "Church of Humanity". Does Bastion usurp him completely and take over the Purifiers, or does Bastion serve Risman?

Think I'd prefer the latter... just always tease Bastion overthrowing him to add to the dynamic between the two... kind of like Bastion and Graydon Creed had going for them...

[Beast]

...what on earth makes X-23 think that the leader of an anti-mutant organization that wiped out a hospital of humans just to kill one mutant, wouldn't kill Rahne?
My guess... because he hadn't killed her already.

I'm assuming that he was holding her for Reverand Craig.

[darknessatnoon]

I'm assuming that he was holding her for Reverand Craig.

Isn't he dead? I was fairly certain he died.

[ExodusCloak]

Remember that Emma also mind-wiped everyone's knowledge of where Destiny's diaries are, including herself, to ensure secrecy. For all we know, she's opting to stay out of Scott's head in the interests of keeping his, and the X-Men's secrets. The old Ben Franklin saying being, "Three can keep a secret if two are dead." Well... maybe Emma decides to get out of his mind to assure fewer people know the secret, so there's fewer people to pry the knowledge of them away from...

Or Marvel's taking the whole Invasion "Who do you trust?" thing to the nth degree...

Heh, another good point.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Isn't he dead? I was fairly certain he died.

Nope, still alive last time we saw him, though not very happy.

[podmark]

Just read my copy (even got the bloody variant :glee: ) and really enjoyed it. I'd totally forgotten that Nimrod's actual body was still at Forge's, that's some nice continuity work by Yost and Kyle. Characterization was good, and they're fitting in Rhane nicely. I've never actually read anything with Bastion but I've always been interested. And of course seeing a bunch of dead Purifiers is always a good thing. Man those guys are just the best villains.

But wow is it ridicuouly graphic - and I loved it! Don't get me wrong I'm not really that kind of guy, but in the right context, like this, it makes alot of sense.

So bravo Yost and Kyle. I'm never going to stop missing your New X-Men, but it looks like X-Force will be a fun ride.

[Beast]

Isn't he dead? I was fairly certain he died.
Nope. In fact, that's the reason why Wolfsbane so eager to go after the Purifiers.

One of them mentioned Reverand Craig during Messiah Complex.

[Phil Hunn]

Oh, well its a shame you cant get over yourself. Your missing out on a great book.

One issue of graphic brutality following on from I don't know how many other issues of Kyle & Yost-penned graphic brutality does not constitute a great book.

On the contrary - it cements Kyle & Yost's evident inability to write anything else. You want to consider that a great book, you go right ahead.

I'll just be over here, reading Hellblazer...

[Beast]

One issue of graphic brutality following on from I don't know how many other issues of Kyle & Yost-penned graphic brutality does not constitute a great book.

On the contrary - it cements Kyle & Yost's evident inability to write anything else. You want to consider that a great book, you go right ahead.

I'll just be over here, reading Hellblazer...
Considering they wrote episodes of X-Men: Evolutuon, they can write other stuff. :p

At least their graphic brutality fits this book. So what's to complain about?

[Young Avenger]

Great first issue. I'm not into the x-verse as much as everyone here but I very enjoyed this. While the art is great I thought it looked kinda muddy in action sequences. Bit difficult to follow.

[rilokyle]

I almost bought this issue today, but I held off. I dunno, I might pick it up this weekend, but I'm still undecided about if it'd interest me. I skimmed it at the LCS, and while the art was very pretty, the book seemed a bit too gory and violent for my tastes. I'm on the fence... for now.

That said, Rahne has never looked prettier.

[Phil Hunn]

Considering they wrote episodes of X-Men: Evolutuon, they can write other stuff. :p

At least their graphic brutality fits this book. So what's to complain about?

The whole concept of an X-Men black-ops death squad is pathetically 90s in both concept and execution. I liked the 90s when I was actually living in the 90s, but now? It's about as welcome as the 80s nostalgia that Joss Whedon's been peddling for four years.

[Hi-Fi]

This was fun. I'm not really into angst Warpath, but Wolverine and X-23 are written soooo well!!

The art was pretty, and I love Craine's Rahne!

Bastion? Well, let's see how it goes... :)

Chris! Craig! I want Hepzibah!! Pretty please??

[Pach!]

The whole concept of an X-Men black-ops death squad is pathetically 90s in both concept and execution. I liked the 90s when I was actually living in the 90s, but now? It's about as welcome as the 80s nostalgia that Joss Whedon's been peddling for four years.

Well the 80's nostalgia is the best selling book so lets hope this other book you don't enjoy also sells well!


Anyways I loved this issue and the art is a bit odd at times but I absolutely love Craine's art.

[Toboe]

Chris! Craig! I want Hepzibah!! Pretty please??

Why would you want to bring her into a world of endless death and torture if she turns out to be partying with the hippies?

[Hi-Fi]

Phill Hun! In Wolverine #62, Cyclops asks him to execute Mystique! True story! LOL.

[Brian M.]

Why would you want to bring her into a world of endless death and torture if she turns out to be partying with the hippies?

To correct the influence those evil peace loving bastards caused.

[Hi-Fi]

Why would you want to bring her into a world of endless death and torture if she turns out to be partying with the hippies?
I want the best of both worlds! I want to see her with the hippies and then joining X-Force!

[CmX]

I'm not too thrilled about Bastion, but I have faith in C&C.

[La Fea]

Anyone have scans of this hot Rahne?

Like rilokyle, I'm still on the fence and held off picking up the title at this point. I think I'll wait for the new cast members as incentive. I'm not really into excessive violence. I like slapping people around a little bit every now and then like the next person, but I never like to see them bleed.

[darksaint124]

Just read my copy (even got the bloody variant :glee: ) and really enjoyed it. I'd totally forgotten that Nimrod's actual body was still at Forge's, that's some nice continuity work by Yost and Kyle.


Well seeing as how they wrote the Nimrod story it would be kind of stupid if they didn't use it right.

[Beast]

I want the best of both worlds! I want to see her with the hippies and then joining X-Force!
Then they'll have to reveal one of them is a clone or a skrull. It's not worth it. :p

[Hi-Fi]

This team NEEDS a light character. They need Hepzibah!

[Beast]

Well seeing as how they wrote the Nimrod story it would be kind of stupid if they didn't use it right.
Yeah, it's not like Ultimate X-Men where the writer forgets what he wrote last issue. ;)

[Beast]

This team NEEDS a light character. They need Hepzibah!
Longshot! :cool: :D

[darksaint124]

Longshot! :cool: :D

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!

[worstblogever]

Anyone have scans of this hot Rahne?

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/surrealmonkey_wedding/worstblogever/RahneXF1.jpg

That's about the clearest shot in the issue, when Risman's got her hostage.

[La Fea]

This team NEEDS a light character. They need Hepzibah!

Pixie!!!

She can use spells to track people and use her soul thingy to stab things. She'd fit right in!

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa262/surrealmonkey_wedding/worstblogever/RahneXF1.jpg

That's about the clearest shot in the issue, when Risman's got her hostage.

Thank you kindly, dear sir!

She looks hot for having a busted face, I guess!

[Toboe]

I love how Rahne's hair doesn't look like shit for once.

[darksaint124]

Pixie!!!

She can use spells to track people and use her soul thingy to stab things. She'd fit right in!

I'm pushing for a Wolverine/Pixie mini harder than anyone else, but Pixie is on Logan's mission statement. There is no way she would survive.

[darksaint124]

I love how Rahne's hair doesn't look like shit for once.

Look no further than today's X-factor.:D

[worstblogever]

I love how Rahne's hair doesn't look like shit for once.

She kinda looks like Black Widow, though, huh?

[Beast]

Thank you kindly, dear sir!

She looks hot for having a busted face, I guess!
You just like her because she's in bondage. J/K. ;) :D

[Affinity]

I love how Rahne's hair doesn't look like shit for once.
WHAT, Raimondi gives her the illest cut!

I fucking ADORED this issue. More on my blog, later.

[Trey]

So how was Rahne captured and why did she turn into werewolf form in the panel back in Colorado?

I picked decent as the art did not live up to the preview images we saw.

I got the bloody varient, and if it sells out the 2nd printing better be the puppies and rainbows varient. I'd buy that. Too bad noone in Marvel is that creative.

[darksaint124]

So how was Rahne captured and why did she turn into werewolf form in the panel back in Colorado?

I picked decent as the art did not live up to the preview images we saw.

I got the bloody varient, and if it sells out the 2nd printing better be the puppies and rainbows varient. I'd buy that. Too bad noone in Marvel is that creative.

Rahne most likely went after the Purifiers by herself after Logan wouldn't let her tag along, hence the capture. Since she was suited up in the first panel you see her I'm guessing that she would have a communication device similar to Scott and that's how she tracked them down. Or Scott could have just told her where they were.

[Beast]

So how was Rahne captured and why did she turn into werewolf form in the panel back in Colorado?

I picked decent as the art did not live up to the preview images we saw.

I got the bloody varient, and if it sells out the 2nd printing better be the puppies and rainbows varient. I'd buy that. Too bad noone in Marvel is that creative.
I assume she decided 'Screw them All', and went after them herself.

As for why she turned into a werewolf in Colorado, it was to growl at Logan.

Both were because Logan was trying to keep her out of what was going down.

[CmX]

She looks a lot like Rebecca Chambers from Resident Evil in the issue.

I love how C&C write Warpath, I think they've added more character to him in this issue than Bru has the whole time he had him IMO.

I always saw Warpath, as a hard warrior but still emotional and ties to nature.

Not some Wolverine knock off.

[Trey]

I see, thanks guys. That wasn't very smart of her.

[DarkCrisis]

Not to keen on Rayne and Laura being on the team.

Logan: "Laura why are you doing this?!?! You wanted to be normal, this will ruin your humainity and make you just a killer."

Laura: "Horrible writting and shoehorning..."

Logan: "Damn...."

And dont even get me started on Rahne

[Beast]

Not to keen on Rayne and Laura being on the team.

Logan: "Laura why are you doing this?!?! You wanted to be normal, this will ruin your humainity and make you just a killer."

Laura: "Horrible writting and shoehorning..."

Logan: "Damn...."

And dont even get me started on Rahne
Yeah, cause the people who created her don't know what they're doing with her. :p

And Rahne has her reasons. She wants to know what Reverand Craig's connection is to the Purifiers.

[Brian M.]

Not to keen on Rayne and Laura being on the team.

Logan: "Laura why are you doing this?!?! You wanted to be normal, this will ruin your humainity and make you just a killer."

Laura: "Horrible writting and shoehorning..."

Logan: "Damn...."

And dont even get me started on Rahne

Yea you right, why would Laura wanna avenge all the students that died at the mansion.

As for Rahne, she wants to find out what that Purifier meant on the cliffside in Messiah Complex.

Not horrible writing.

[darksaint124]

Not to keen on Rayne and Laura being on the team.

Logan: "Laura why are you doing this?!?! You wanted to be normal, this will ruin your humainity and make you just a killer."

Laura: "Horrible writting and shoehorning..."

Logan: "Damn...."

And dont even get me started on Rahne

Last time I checked, who was it that created X-23. And why does Rahne NOT have a place on this team.

[darksaint124]

Damn you B&B for once again beating me to the post.

[DarkCrisis]

Ohhh, the students okay that makes more sense. I thgouth she was just there to kill on orders. Which I thought very wrong.

And I can see the Rayne thing to.

Thats made it much more clear.

[Beast]

Damn you B&B for once again beating me to the post.
We're the best there is at what we do. And what we do isn't pretty. :D

[rwsmith]

http://www.dudetubeonline.com/2007/09/11/X-Force-1-cover.jpg

By now most of it has been spoiled anyway but here it goes:

Cyclops is at Angel's Aerie up in Colorado. He calls Logan to tell him about a recent incident at SHIELD.

Turns out Risman, Leader of the Purifiers turned himself in. Just walked up and turned himself in. Turns out, Purifiers have guys stationed all over the government, SHIELD...everywhere. Their like Earthbound Skrulls.

Agent Latcham of SHIELD is a Purifier. He is a bit sad his buddy Josh pulled armory duty that night. Latcham shoots Josh in the head. Gives weapons to the Purifiers who are with him. They leave the SHIELD base.

Cyclops says it must be the reason SHIELD and others haven't helped out mutants, the Purifiers have folks everywhere.

Logan asks him what they were looking for, Scott doesn't know.

Scott tells Logan it's time they take care of this problem. He wants him to put X-Force back together. He's died of dealing with problems AFTER they have buried mutant bodies.

Logan tells him he doesn't know if he should be impressed or worried, does Emma know?

Emma doesn't know.

Logan's impressed.

Flash to Warpath buring Caliban. James says he promises to avenge him. I swear all these pages have been shown. Only like 6 of the actually pages were new.

Scott says w/ or w/o X-Force Warpath is going after the Purifiers. X-23 is already...Logan stops him. They fight about how Laura is Logan's responsiblity, he's not gonna let her go down that path again. Scott said he doesn't have to ask her, he already did.

Laura is in the SHIELD armory where Latcham and the other Purifiers got weapons and something else. Laura is watching video feed, Latcham killed himself to protect the mission. She can't tell what it was. But she has their sent, she can find them.

Logan punches Scott. More speeches on how it's his repsonsiblity...blah blah. Scott tells him X-Force is happening, with or without him.

Logan confronts Rahne. Tells her to go away. She doesn't have to do this. She says it's HER CHOICE. She needs to know...grrrrr.

Cut to the Purifiers base in North Dakota. They talk about Nimrod and how he worked and told them future. They realized this wasn't the first time Nimrod jumped back into time.

Logan and X-Force are outside the church. He tells them they might hang around the X-Men, might be friends with them, but they aren't X-Men if they go through with this. Last chance to ditch...no one goes.

Back to the Purifiers...turns out the way they recruit is with a list of obituraries Nimrod gave them, deaths that hadn't happened yet. They go to these people and "save" them. This new "Nimrod" will help them restore the old one they retook from Eagle Plaza. They will use the body of the old Nimrod and the head of .... BASTION, to recreate the perfect mutant killing machine.

Bastion is activated: Warning. Mutants Detected!!!

X-Force is slicing their way through the Purifiers. Lot of great action and blood and brutal Rambo style killings. It's beautiful. I cried a bit.

Just then Risman tells them to stand down...he's got a gun to the back of Rahne's head. X-23 tells them he's bluffing and kills two Purifiers.

Risman: I don't bluff...

BAM BAM!!!!

To Be Continued...

REVIEW:
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I loved this book. One of the things that is so great about it is the way Yost and Kyle write the characters. The interpersonal relationships can really be felt. It's what made New X-Men feel so great, they really do understand the characters they write. The tension is there between Scott and Logan, Logan and Rahne.

The art work is good. I'm not gonna say it's perfect, but it's not bad. Muscle bound mutants and sexy, sleek females...it's no Frank Cho and it's no Rob Liefeld. If the book has ANY weak points, it's in the art...somewhere. I can't really pin it down. But it's damn good. The violence is graphic. If you thought Tan was graphic in some of the stuff he did in Rise and Fall w/ Brubaker...this eats that for breakfest.

Overall I give 9 outta 10 Wahoo Bundy's.

Read it.

Great review, Brian. My only disagreement would be on the art, which IMO was absolutely perfect for this book.

I'd give it a 10 out of 10. :D

[drwho]

I wont say great cus I still think the idea is absurd, but the characterization of the characters is decent as well as the art. Wolverine reacting like he did I could see. Glad to see Bastion back also.

[The Black Guardian]

I really didn't want to like this book. I'm completely not into death upon death. I'm a Buddhist that is so against killing that I don't even allow bug spray in my house. That said, I do draw the line when it comes to the direct safety of myself or others.

Because of that, I firmly agree that the X-Men do need to draw this line in the sand and start killing those groups that seek to kill them or humans. Evil wins when good men do nothing, and there is nothing else to do but kill these types. It been proven: You can't convert them. You can't incarcerate them. That leaves only one thing.

There was a lot more to this book than killing. Heck, the killing doesn't even begin until very late in the issue. Before that, we're getting tremendous amounts of characterization--GOOD characterization--showing why these characters are doing what they're doing. We know that have no alternative. We know it's a really, really hard choice for them.

Kyle and Yost bring it, just as they've done for the past two years of New X-Men. The art was perfect, in my opinion. The only thing that bugs me is that Crain probably won't be able to keep this up on a monthly basis. Who could draw such beauty so quickly? Love the domino mask on Laura too (but anything is an improvement after the recent Young, Bachalo, and Ramos art).

My only question: How did the Purifiers find Nimrod in Dallas? When last we saw him, he was sent to the past when he appeared just after the Kulan Gath story. From there, he goes on to merge with Master Mold, be sucked into the Siege Perilous, and come back as Bastion. So, where did this other one come from? As well, hopefully, we'll get to that.

Thanks Kyle and Yost and Crain!

[Tobias March]

All these multiple Nimrods from different timelines....and now Bastion too, who is last I checked, a mix of Nimrod and Mastermold.

Well gawdemmit.....purty art though. Shame the story's only marginally less pointless than the original X-Force.

[Beast]

All these multiple Nimrods from different timelines....and now Bastion too, who is last I checked, a mix of Nimrod and Mastermold.

Well gawdemmit.....purty art though. Shame the story's only marginally less pointless than the original X-Force.
No. It's actually very simple. And that's clearly noted in the issue.

Nimrod's first jump into the 616 timeline was the most recent one, in New X-Men.

Then Forge transfered Nimrod's datafiles into the new robot he'd built for to protect the X-Men.

Nimrod 1.0's body was left behind in Forge's Aerie, when the New X-Men battled Nimrod 2.0.

The New X-Men succeeded in overloading Nimrod 2.0's temporal device causing it to malfunctiuon.

Nimrod 2.0 arrives in the past with it's data files corrputed by the timejump. This is the past where the now more powerful version of Nimrod started gaining more human sentience and also battled the X-Men and the Hellfire Club and merged with Mastermold in the Seige Perilous and became Bastion. And gets beheaded.

From here it gets weird. Basically, ignore Template just like Marvel typically does. ;)

The Purifiers recovered Nimrod 1.0's body from Forge's Aerie. And attached it to Bastion's (Nimrod 2.0/Master Mold) head. So basically like occassionally happens with time travel, they lapped themselves. :D

[The Black Guardian]

Okay. That makes sense. I thought Nimrod 1.0 and 2.0 merged.

[darksaint124]

Okay. That makes sense. I thought Nimrod 1.0 and 2.0 merged.

It was just the OS that got switched.

[Novaya Havoc]

I don't think they can DO NO WRONG, but I loved the ish!

I covered it like, a week ago on my blog, but it all still stands after a re-read. Total DARKFabulous.

[Tobias March]

No. It's actually very simple. And that's clearly noted in the issue.

Nimrod's first jump into the 616 timeline was the most recent one, in New X-Men.

Then Forge transfered Nimrod's datafiles into the new robot he'd built for to protect the X-Men.

Nimrod 1.0's body was left behind in Forge's Aerie, when the New X-Men battled Nimrod 2.0.

The New X-Men succeeded in overloading Nimrod 2.0's temporal device causing it to malfunctiuon.

Nimrod 2.0 arrives in the past with it's data files corrputed by the timejump. This is the past where the now more powerful version of Nimrod started gaining more human sentience and also battled the X-Men and the Hellfire Club and merged with Mastermold in the Seige Perilous and became Bastion. And gets beheaded.

From here it gets weird. Basically, ignore Template just like Marvel typically does. ;)

The Purifiers recovered Nimrod 1.0's body from Forge's Aerie. And attached it to Bastion's (Nimrod 2.0/Master Mold) head. So basically like occassionally happens with time travel, they lapped themselves. :D

Never had trouble keeping track of the Nimrods. Its like the Terry Pratchett joke of not having any difficulty counting elephants.

It's just...another Nimrod, another killer robot. Joining the others out there floating in temporary limbo, like the Fury, the Kree Sentinel, Dominus, the Magus/Phalanx etc, Ultron and all his offspring/consorts...

It's just getting a bit crowded for my liking.

[darknessatnoon]

Let me get something straight. Rrrreverrend Crrrraig, who for some reason I thought was dead, was cryptically mentioned by some Purifier as being associated with their movement. He hates mutants. They mutants. What's the big mystery?

[Mitsaso]

Okay, this book is ideal for C&C, they can tone up the killing and darkness without wondering that it will be out of place, like in New X-Men!

I like how every person in the team has an agenda for being in the team;
X-23 has to avenge the death of the other students
Proudstar wants to avenge Caliban's death
Rahne wasnt to find out about what that Purifier told her (what did he tell her, again? Strangely, I can't recall!)
and Wolverine just likes to kill people but disses others for wanting in (as it was SO evident in this issue!:p )

How the hell was Rahne captured and chained? She wasn't even with Wolvie and James when they went to join X-23.:confused:

[Brian M.]

Okay, this book is ideal for C&C, they can tone up the killing and darkness without wondering that it will be out of place, like in New X-Men!

I like how every person in the team has an agenda for being in the team;
X-23 has to avenge the death of the other students
Proudstar wants to avenge Caliban's death
Rahne wasnt to find out about what that Purifier told her (what did he tell her, again? Strangely, I can't recall!)
and Wolverine just likes to kill people but disses others for wanting in (as it was SO evident in this issue!:p )

How the hell was Rahne captured and chained? She wasn't even with Wolvie and James when they went to join X-23.:confused:

aI would think she went in on her own, maybe using X-Force as a distraction. Got nabbed then. notice she's not in wolf form.

[darksaint124]

Okay, this book is ideal for C&C, they can tone up the killing and darkness without wondering that it will be out of place, like in New X-Men!

I like how every person in the team has an agenda for being in the team;
X-23 has to avenge the death of the other students
Proudstar wants to avenge Caliban's death
Rahne wasnt to find out about what that Purifier told her (what did he tell her, again? Strangely, I can't recall!)
and Wolverine just likes to kill people but disses others for wanting in (as it was SO evident in this issue!:p )

How the hell was Rahne captured and chained? She wasn't even with Wolvie and James when they went to join X-23.:confused:

Read one of my earlier posts in this thread. Or Beast's, or Brian's.

[Mitsaso]

Aw, thanks.


I also really liked the art. I recall that art from older Spiderman issues, but here it's more appropriate.
Although it kinda looks like the 3D version of the art of a well-known erotica artist and it kinda freaks me out:eek:

[Joe Franklin]

This 1st issue was good, but it would have been great if Sabretooth were alive and on the X-Force roster. He's a better killer then even Wolverine is.:cool:

[darksaint124]

This 1st issue was good, but it would have been great if Sabretooth were alive and on the X-Force roster. He's a better killer then even Wolverine is.:cool:

Your just gonna keep pulling for 'Tooth on this team aren't you. Well whenever Creed from Exiles hits 616 there's a spot for him.

[Dizzy D]

This 1st issue was good, but it would have been great if Sabretooth were alive and on the X-Force roster. He's a better killer then even Wolverine is.:cool:

He would also be higher on Cyke's list than the Purifiers are.

[darksaint124]

He would also be higher on Cyke's list than the Purifiers are.

At least higher than Mystique.

[Joe Franklin]

Your just gonna keep pulling for 'Tooth on this team aren't you. Well whenever Creed from Exiles hits 616 there's a spot for him.

I have no choice but to pull for Creed. He's my fave afterall.:cool:

[SnakeEater]

It just doesn't seem likely that if she goes into his dreams she really respects boundaries and wouldn't sense something as important as the new X-Force team hidden in his mind.

However, it's just a nitpick. I won't let it keep me from enjoying the book. I know the rest of the X-Men will find out sooner or later. When it's said noone else must know it's a given it will happen!

maybe she implanted this in his mind, or opened up an area he himself blcoked from himself? maybe she made him comfortable with the thought and now he is basically going along with it, while she is making him think she doesnt knwo

[Butters]

maybe she implanted this in his mind, or opened up an area he himself blcoked from himself? maybe she made him comfortable with the thought and now he is basically going along with it, while she is making him think she doesnt knwo

God forbid Cyclops actually makes his own decisions and figures out some way around Emma.

[SnakeEater]

God forbid Cyclops actually makes his own decisions and figures out some way around Emma.

it wasnt until whedon wrote him that we beleived he could think for himself. everything else was professor x doing it for him and we all know ina way even emma during morrisons run.

i dont have faith in scott. If this isactually him making the decisions then ill say FINALLY TOOK LONG ENOUGH. otherwise i see emma doing this

[skylight]

i can't wait to get my own copy. this sounds great.

[Butters]

it wasnt until whedon wrote him that we beleived he could think for himself. everything else was professor x doing it for him and we all know ina way even emma during morrisons run.

i dont have faith in scott. If this isactually him making the decisions then ill say FINALLY TOOK LONG ENOUGH. otherwise i see emma doing this

What are you talking about? He could always think for himself. Its not like Xavier or Emma controlled his mind.

He believed in his father figure's dream. What a PUPPET.

[metalgorgomon]

Absolutely love this issue. I completely agree with Briam M's review.
Love Crain's Rahne. Love the characterization. Seems odd though, Emma not knowing this. Perhaps it's Cyclops who doesn't know that Emma totally knows this..
I can tell that X-23 is Kyle/Yost's baby. She's totally badass in this issue. It's a shame though that she have to go through the killing habit again. But.. she's so good at it.
I like the art, but get confused in several panel especially the fight scenes.

Overall.. amazing issue.

[Omega Alpha]

This book was as awesome as I thought it would be. Even as a set-up issue, it still was very exciting, had plenty of blood, but not too much, and spot-on characterization. I can't wait for the next issue.

[SnakeEater]

What are you talking about? He could always think for himself. Its not like Xavier or Emma controlled his mind.

He believed in his father figure's dream. What a PUPPET.

think about how he's been written the last 7 years. back in 2001 when he and wolverine went to take out magneto THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME he thought that way. every since then he just did what emma said. and before that he was just a blind leader with no backbone, nothing to show for except a hot wife, but then again marvel hates redheads so whatever
my point is this is the first time cyclops seems like a person and not some robot

[CaptainCanada]

Pretty good. I'd have enjoyed this issue more if almost the whole thing hadn't been shown online in various previews.

[streator]

No. It's actually very simple. And that's clearly noted in the issue.

Nimrod's first jump into the 616 timeline was the most recent one, in New X-Men.

Then Forge transfered Nimrod's datafiles into the new robot he'd built for to protect the X-Men.

Nimrod 1.0's body was left behind in Forge's Aerie, when the New X-Men battled Nimrod 2.0.

The New X-Men succeeded in overloading Nimrod 2.0's temporal device causing it to malfunctiuon.

Nimrod 2.0 arrives in the past with it's data files corrputed by the timejump. This is the past where the now more powerful version of Nimrod started gaining more human sentience and also battled the X-Men and the Hellfire Club and merged with Mastermold in the Seige Perilous and became Bastion. And gets beheaded.

From here it gets weird. Basically, ignore Template just like Marvel typically does. ;)

The Purifiers recovered Nimrod 1.0's body from Forge's Aerie. And attached it to Bastion's (Nimrod 2.0/Master Mold) head. So basically like occassionally happens with time travel, they lapped themselves. :D


i wouldn't call that simple, especially since you're choosing to ignore things.

that being said, i'm glad bastion is back. i always liked him.

this sounds like a good issue, too.

did forge appear? has his post-mc status been shown yet?

[Beast]

i wouldn't call that simple, especially since you're choosing to ignore things.

that being said, i'm glad bastion is back. i always liked him.

this sounds like a good issue, too.

did forge appear? has his post-mc status been shown yet?
No. I'm chosing to ignore Template. Which is the same thing Marvel does. ;)

Since there shouldn't even be a Bastion Head if the Template story happened. :D

No, no appearance by Forge. Assume he's likely still recooperating somewhere.

[streator]

No. I'm chosing to ignore Template. Which is the same thing Marvel does. ;)

Since there shouldn't even be a Bastion Head if the Template story happened. :D

No, no appearance by Forge. Assume he's likely still recooperating somewhere.

okay.

thanks.

[CMBMOOL]

I have to say even with their different objectives the X-force can make one KILLER TEAM. :evilsmile


I might stay on if they can go global around the US for their enemies, because I'm always a sucker for a road trip story. :p

[Captain Yesterday]

I voted option three.

What kept it from being higher was the art, after staring at it for a while, I think I can explain my dislike for it.

The anatomy is hugely exaggerated, which would be okay if it wasn't rendered in such loving detail. The hairs on Logan's arm are visible along with a bunch of veins. The least cringe-worthy characters are the supporting cast, who have normal human proportions. I understand the need to make the main guys (and girls) stand out, but the heavily rendered style doesn't allow for exaggerations.

I may continue to read this title for the story, Kyle and Yost seem to be doing some interesting things, and the art is beautiful, in wide frames, just not in close-up.

Edit: the road trip idea does sound like fun. Mass murdering fun, but still a welcome getaway.

[ANewHope]

I'm really hoping for the return of Domino. I would say bring shatterstar and domino back, but I doubt that will happen.

Even though they both appeared in Xmen 198. I can only hope and wait.

[Colossusfan]

If Rhane's dead I'm going to be super pissed!

[Teh m0nk3y]

If Rhane's dead I'm going to be super pissed!

From what has been shown from solicits and previews there is 0.000000001% chance of Rahne dying in the next issue.

[chickrockguitar]

She's not dead.
She's on the cover of #3 and mentioned in all solicits so far.

[steve2275]

I got the bloody varient,
so did i :cool:

[filterpunk]

I'm still not 100% convinced by the basic premise, but I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised by this one. I haven't really liked the work Yost and Kyle have done on New X-Men, but the pacing and dialog were vastly improved from what I've seen from them before. I also like that Crain's artwork has sort of a "Linsner with more India ink" look going, which really suits the dark tone of the book.

Like I said, the premise is a little shaky. As some people have mentioned, it's a little hard to swallow that Scott could keep Emma in the dark, but I'm willing to wait and see what sort of McGuffin is used to explain it. I've also expressed on another thread that I find the characterization of Cyclops a little forced and awkward, but I'm slowly coming around. It's not that I can't understand his motivations, it just seems like there's a bit of the character being wound up quickly to fit the plot.

Looking forward to the next ish, and extra points to Marvel for actually having the balls to take things as far as they did.

[CmX]

If Rhane's dead I'm going to be super pissed!

She's on the covers to #'s 2 & 3.

[CmX]

If Rhane's dead I'm going to be super pissed!

She's on the covers to #2 & #3.

[ReaderX]

Best guess - X23 backicks the guy's arm, cutting his hand off, which pulls the trigger and misses Rhane.

[Chris Yost]

Thanks to everyone who picked up the book this week, Craig and I couldn't be more excited about what's coming up for you guys.

Bastion is just the tip of the iceberg. Trust us.

Chris

[Pach!]

Thanks to everyone who picked up the book this week, Craig and I couldn't be more excited about what's coming up for you guys.

Bastion is just the tip of the iceberg. Trust us.

Chris

Chris I think you should vote in the poll. It's what Gods among men would do.

[Hi-Fi]

Hepzibah, Chris! Hepzibah!! You know you WANT that kind of humor!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Once again a bit late, but gotta say, that issue rocked.

And it totally isn't *just* about Cyke and Wolvie totally becoming murderous bffs. Seriously. Still not quite sure I *buy* that such a team can prevail against heavy-hitters, but it still was a rock-solid issue overall.

[timbox]

Craig and I couldn't be more excited about what's coming up for you guys.


Tease! :evilsmile

[darknessatnoon]

Bastion is just the tip of the iceberg. Trust us.

Chris

So, does this mean Iceman is joining the cast?

[axe82]

I didn't like the art it was to real for my taste and wolverine looks like he has been injecting steroids hard core , but i did enjoy where its going

[Stephane Garrelie]

My thoughts on the book:
Excellent writing and i loved the art, but:
-There's no way that this Cyclops could be Cyclops, or "out of character" writing is worse than ever.
-The "Parental Advisatory" on the cover is really well hiden. Thats only after seeing the (extreme) violence in the book that i began to look for it, and it took some time to me to find it. Above the code bare. Near invisible if your not looking for it.

I may follow the book for some time, i enjoyed this first issue a lot.

[matthewaos]

I don't understand why there's not a "art is awesome, writing is ok" option.

[Brian M.]

I don't understand why there's not a "art is awesome, writing is ok" option.

Becuase you touch yourself at night.

[Brent1974]

Got all three covers, 9/10 perfect issue, but the lose of the point is the mask covering Laura's face.

It just has to go......

Brent

[Slung]

Thanks to everyone who picked up the book this week, Craig and I couldn't be more excited about what's coming up for you guys.

Bastion is just the tip of the iceberg. Trust us.

Chris

I hope its Jean Grey. :)

*Slung hums to himself in his own special place where good prevails over evil*

[podmark]

-The "Parental Advisatory" on the cover is really well hiden. Thats only after seeing the (extreme) violence in the book that i began to look for it, and it took some time to me to find it. Above the code bare. Near invisible if your not looking for it.

The age codes are in the same spot on every Marvel book. If you're the kind of person who uses them you'd know exactly where it is. But if you didn't expect this to be a parental advisory issue and you don't usually check that stuff it's not in the most visible spot.

[Flight]

I didn't like the art it was to real for my taste and wolverine looks like he has been injecting steroids hard core , but i did enjoy where its going This is my opinion too, but said in a more crazy voice.

[ExodusCloak]

So, does this mean Iceman is joining the cast?

Oh god I hope it's not Daken. There's only two possible options left for that character:

1.) He gets his head chopped off by a magical samurai sword.

2.) They give him to Craig Kyle so he can work some magic.

[Trey]

She's on the covers to #2 & #3.

Those are Skrulls, duh. Get with it, ever hear of a thing called Secret Invasion?

[CyberHubbs]

Our Lone Star Comics ran out of copies, and then the refill never came in. Heard it sold out across the board!

Guess I'll wait for the trade.

[sephirothskiller]

I just got this today, as it was hiding in my pull-account and I missed it first go around. Bloody Varient cover is awesome btw.

This is really great for me because with the exception of Warpath, the main characters are all among my favourites. The fact that C&C, -two of my favourite writers, are handling them, and Clayton Crain, -my favourite artist since I saw his work on his first Ghost Rider mini, is drawing them, just makes things even better.

I haven't been this excited for a book since Peter David re-started X-Factor, and even better, like with that first issue of X-Factor, you guys did not disappoint at all. I wish you were handling the other books as well (just make copies of yourselves,) because I feel that the tone you gave Cyclops was really fascinating and I doubt it will come off as anything but angsty in the other X-Books.

I love the fact that Cyclops' lost faith in the Professor after he found out about everything he was doing behind the scenes, and now Cyclops himself is doing the exact same things by creating his own secret teams and giving up some of the moral high ground.

Laura's psyche is going to be wonderful to see laid bare, and I'm glad that it'll be you guys to investigate it. This character has the danger of being a one-dimensional tool in the hands of another writer, and you guys should get some sort of an injunction against that ever happening.

Rahne is also fascinating, and no offense to PD, but I think she was used horribly in that book. Its great that she's somewhere where she'll get the attention she deserves, even if its only "pay attention to the dead body of Rahne Sinclair." I'm hoping the fact that she has (had) a much different outlook than the rest of the cast comes into play and she doesn't suddenly become hardened into Wolverine with more boobs and hair.

One question, why is Wolverine hanging out in Colorado? The rockies he hangs out in are generally the Alberta rockies.


10/10. I have no mony right now, but if there's one comic I will continue to find a way to buy it will be this one.

[The Black Guardian]

One question, why is Wolverine hanging out in Colorado? The rockies he hangs out in are generally the Alberta rockies.
This probably wouldn't be known to that many people. I can't remember the last time the house was used in a book, but back in the 80s it served as the HQ of the Defenders. This is one of Warren Worthington's homes. Hence, the "Angel's Aerie" we are told in the first scene.

I agree with everything else you wrote, btw.

[rwsmith]

One question, why is Wolverine hanging out in Colorado? The rockies he hangs out in are generally the Alberta rockies.

Um...he's hanging out in Colorado because Angel has a bad ass house there and that's where Cyke said to meet him. Apparently being friends with Warren has benefits.

[Blueferret]

I thought this was a well done book. I like the direction all of the X-books are going right now. That being said, how does this version of X-Force differ from any incarnation of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants or Acolytes? They are getting preemptive and going after humans to prevent further attacks of mutants. Scott talks about crossing a line, but I think it' more than that, it's an abandonment of Xavier's teachings.

[Teh m0nk3y]

I thought this was a well done book. I like the direction all of the X-books are going right now. That being said, how does this version of X-Force differ from any incarnation of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants or Acolytes? They are getting preemptive and going after humans to prevent further attacks of mutants. Scott talks about crossing a line, but I think it' more than that, it's an abandonment of Xavier's teachings.

Xavier's dream is dead and has been abandoned by Scott. Scott is currently trying to figure out what his vision is all about.

[Blueferret]

Xavier's dream is dead and has been abandoned by Scott. Scott is currently trying to figure out what his vision is all about.

That vision seems to be a whole lot like Magneto's

[Brian M.]

That vision seems to be a whole lot like Magneto's

Um...no it doesn't.

Magneto's dream is mutants ruling humans. That mutants are the superior race and thus should be incharge over all other speices.

Cyclop's "dream" right now is to ensure the survival of the mutant speices at all costs. He doesn't wish to have them rule over humans or lead the world. He simply wishes to make sure they survive so that they can once again start to florish as a speices.

[xmanson]

Cyclops is a fucking coward. He wants those people dead and done with, he should go after them , leading his team. Not send out a bunch o killers and then go have a vacation with Emma. Moron.

[Jake V]

Cyclops is a fucking coward. He wants those people dead and done with, he should go after them , leading his team. Not send out a bunch o killers and then go have a vacation with Emma. Moron.

Cyclops is a public figure. He can't go out and do it on his own because of his position as the head of Xavier's school.

Much like actual generals, Cyclops is the general or commander-in-chief of the X-Men. He sends his soldiers out to fight the war.

[xmanson]

Cyclops is a public figure. He can't go out and do it on his own because of his position as the head of Xavier's school.

Much like actual generals, Cyclops is the general or commander-in-chief of the X-Men. He sends his soldiers out to fight the war.

Wolverine is a public figure. He was in the Avengers, everybody saw him. He's wearing the same costume, in black. They'll recognize him. Link him to the Avengers AND X-men.

And isn't the school over and done with?

[Jake V]

Wolverine is a public figure. He was in the Avengers, everybody saw him. He's wearing the same costume, in black. They'll recognize him. Link him to the Avengers AND X-men.

And isn't the school over and done with?

Scott Summers is a public figure. "Logan" isn't. Hell, Wolverine is already a fugitive for working with the New Avengers. Going out and killing the Purifiers couldn't damage his reputation any more.

[Slung]

Cyclops is a fucking coward. He wants those people dead and done with, he should go after them , leading his team. Not send out a bunch o killers and then go have a vacation with Emma. Moron.

Wolverine is a public figure. He was in the Avengers, everybody saw him. He's wearing the same costume, in black. They'll recognize him. Link him to the Avengers AND X-men.

And isn't the school over and done with?

You bring up some interesting points - but if Cyclops is going to be the leader of "the dream" he's going to have to keep his mittens clean. It's like the political leaders have other people go around and assassinate the un-wanteds. If the assassins get caught, that political leader is going to deny ALL knowledge of said act. Is it immoral? Sure. Is Cyclops crossing the line? Sure. But it makes good storytelling.

[xmanson]

You bring up some interesting points - but if Cyclops is going to be the leader of "the dream" he's going to have to keep his mittens clean. It's like the political leaders have other people go around and assassinate the un-wanteds. If the assassins get caught, that political leader is going to deny ALL knowledge of said act. Is it immoral? Sure. Is Cyclops crossing the line? Sure. But it makes good storytelling.

I kinda had the same though when Bendis presented the reasoning for Wolverine joining the Avengers - Cap and iron man wanted someone that would kill their enemies when necessary, but didnt want to do it themselves. it's just ridiculous and made them hypocrites.

It's just that I don't buy this new Cyclops. Doesn't make much sense to me.And reaaly, Messiah Complex was not that terifying to create such a change. Actuyally, it should give them more hope, now that they know new mutants can be born. Not all gloom and doom.

But tha's ok.

[Slant]

And reaaly, Messiah Complex was not that terifying to create such a change. Actuyally, it should give them more hope, now that they know new mutants can be born. Not all gloom and doom.


But that one new birth led to Purifiers torching that whole town in Alaska killing children just to get to the baby. Thats pretty terrifying.

[Jake V]

It's just that I don't buy this new Cyclops. Doesn't make much sense to me.And reaaly, Messiah Complex was not that terifying to create such a change. Actuyally, it should give them more hope, now that they know new mutants can be born. Not all gloom and doom.

But tha's ok.

What's not to get? These evil fucks the purifiers have killed busloads of mutant kids as well as every child in an Alaskan town just because a mutant happened to be born there.

Cyclops has decided that he isn't interested in waiting for the purifiers to attack before they defend themselves again, he wants them put down NOW.

Seeing as how they've infiltrated SHIELD, Cyclops has determined that only his team of mutant trackers/killers is trustworthy enough to get the job done.

It seems pretty simple to me.

[Brian M.]

Cyclops is a fucking coward. He wants those people dead and done with, he should go after them , leading his team. Not send out a bunch o killers and then go have a vacation with Emma. Moron.

Actually I would assume that X-Force happens AFTER Uncanny. But what do I know, I've got common sense.

[xmanson]

Actually I would assume that X-Force happens AFTER Uncanny.

I assumed he set things up and went away. Since he would probabbly would want them to go after the Purifiers right away than going through some vacation and God knows what would happen. But what do I know, I've got common sense.

[The Black Guardian]

Cyclops is a fucking coward. He wants those people dead and done with, he should go after them , leading his team. Not send out a bunch o killers and then go have a vacation with Emma. Moron.
Scott is performing a much needed role that requires that he not be in the thick of it. All of these various underground teams need a central command/support structure that doesn't have to worry about being too restricted. Scott is most effective being the guy on the outside of such groups, with plausible deniability.
Wolverine is a public figure. He was in the Avengers, everybody saw him. He's wearing the same costume, in black. They'll recognize him. Link him to the Avengers AND X-men.
None of this matters. There are no X-Men to be linked to. Wolverine's Avenger team are already outlaws. Wolverine isn't doing anything in X-Force that he doesn't already do on a constant basis.

[xmanson]

What's not to get? These evil fucks the purifiers have killed busloads of mutant kids as well as every child in an Alaskan town just because a mutant happened to be born there.

Cyclops has decided that he isn't interested in waiting for the purifiers to attack before they defend themselves again, he wants them put down NOW.

Seeing as how they've infiltrated SHIELD, Cyclops has determined that only his team of mutant trackers/killers is trustworthy enough to get the job done.

It seems pretty simple to me.


To me is more of a fact that it's not Cyclops. I could buy Storm doing this - hell, she told Wolverine he could kill any Marauders he wanted during MM, but Scott is just weird. but maybe I'll get used to new Cyclops. Not like the old one was anything special.

[Jake V]

To me is more of a fact that it's not Cyclops. I could buy Storm doing this - hell, she told Wolverine he could kill any Marauders he wanted during MM, but Scott is just weird. but maybe I'll get used to new Cyclops. Not like the old one was anything special.

Yeah, it's Cyclops. The guy who's been leader of the X-Men since he was 17 years old wouldn't decide that genocidal baby killers deserve to roam free.

[podmark]

I assumed he set things up and went away. Since he would probabbly would want them to go after the Purifiers right away than going through some vacation and God knows what would happen. But what do I know, I've got common sense.

Scott put this team together after the Purifiers pulled a major operation. So when he did it is dependent on when they did it.

Plus Warpath was already going after them for killing Caliban, and Rhane went in for her own reasons depite not being on the team.

The Purifiers have reconstructed Bastion. Look how many mutants died when they had a broken Nimrod in their possession. If Scott doesn't pull this innocents are going to be killed, there's no question about it. So I'm with him on this one.

[Omega Alpha]

I kinda had the same though when Bendis presented the reasoning for Wolverine joining the Avengers - Cap and iron man wanted someone that would kill their enemies when necessary, but didnt want to do it themselves. it's just ridiculous and made them hypocrites.


This isn't Cyclops case, because they are not doing anything that Scott wouldn't do himself because he thinks it isn't honorable or he doesn't have guts. He sends them because their powers and skills are more appropriate to this kind of mission, and Scott plays another role in the X-men and mutantkind.

[Jackob]

knocking cyke for not going after them himself is like bashing xavier for not going to get mageto when he atacked fort citadel. the general doesnt do the dirty work, he is the one that is makeing the vision for the entire x world. this is just a branch of it.

[Slung]

Actually I would assume that X-Force happens AFTER Uncanny. But what do I know, I've got common sense.

xmanson may be right in this case - Angel was talking about rendezvousing with X-Force in Uncanny while Scott was in the Savage Land, which would suggest that he had already formed it before he went on vacation. I'm not sure though.

[Jack Flash]

I liked this issue. I like hte development for Warpath. Jimmy talking to John really got me.

[Brian M.]

xmanson may be right in this case - Angel was talking about rendezvousing with X-Force in Uncanny while Scott was in the Savage Land, which would suggest that he had already formed it before he went on vacation. I'm not sure though.

That was in San Franscico. Uncanny happens immediately after Messiah.

[Ann Nichols]

I wonder how exactly Rhane will be protected from that gun.

Considering how close X-23's toe-claw was to the gun in the 3rd panel and given that Risman's left hand is holding the gun & left eye appears to be blind, Laura may have already disabled the gun.

[Jackob]

Considering how close X-23's toe-claw was to the gun in the 3rd panel and given that Risman's left hand is holding the gun & left eye appears to be blind, Laura may have already disabled the gun.

or laura was right and he didnt kill her because of some reason. or she turned into a wolf excaped the chains

[metalgorgomon]

or laura was right and he didnt kill her because of some reason. or she turned into a wolf excaped the chains

or something else happened.. like an explosion or something, caused by a another yet revealed party thus disctracting everybody at the scene?

[sephirothskiller]

Craine draws his characters with alot of expression, and I felt that even though she said little I got a ton of stuff from Rahne this issue just through expression. Her frustration at being "leashed" was very tangible.

I think her escape will probably have something to do with turning into a wolf and breaking the restraints, maybe taking one in the shoulder. But who knows, it could just be that he won't shoot her or X-23 will get there in time.

The whole purifiers situation has to be a really painful reminder of Rahne's past, and I can see that if there's a place for her to start killing it'll be now. Luckily for her, she can literally transform into a being that's far more ready to kill than she naturally is. It's going to be interesting to see how she evolves skill wise though, as she is far behind all three of the other members in terms of combat ability.

By the way, I love the fact that "Blam!" got its own panel. That's some good lettering.

[ClanAskani]

I’m still not sure what to think about Scott’s actions. Vigilante justice is only an option because law enforcement (SHIELD) is doing nothing about the Purifiers. Otherwise, it should have been left to the proper authorities.

The commentary from Yost & Kyle made me feel a little better about what Scott is doing. It’s not going after the Purifiers I have a problem with, it’s who he sent after the Purifiers. Or allowed to go after them. Perhaps Scott does have a bigger plan that doesn’t make him look like he approves of allowing a 16 year old to become a murderer again. Or did he think that Logan would have gone to greater lengths to stop Laura and Jimmy from killing? Logan’s gone much farther before.

I’m hoping Kyle and Yost do have something up their sleeves here with what’s going on, since I can’t see this series going on for long with X-Force killing. It's hard to read about characters you care about making the wrong decisions, and if that keeps going on, you stop caring.

[Affinity]

xmanson may be right in this case - Angel was talking about rendezvousing with X-Force in Uncanny while Scott was in the Savage Land, which would suggest that he had already formed it before he went on vacation. I'm not sure though.

I don't think Angel was rendezvousing with X-Force though, he said "Hepzibah and the others."

[Omega Alpha]

I’m hoping Kyle and Yost do have something up their sleeves here with what’s going on, since I can’t see this series going on for long with X-Force killing. It's hard to read about characters you care about making the wrong decisions, and if that keeps going on, you stop caring.

I guess it's a good think they are doing the good think and killing those mothherf*¨%*&%*@ ass:{*(% then.

[bigtreydawg]

I’m still not sure what to think about Scott’s actions. Vigilante justice is only an option because law enforcement (SHIELD) is doing nothing about the Purifiers. Otherwise, it should have been left to the proper authorities.

The commentary from Yost & Kyle made me feel a little better about what Scott is doing. It’s not going after the Purifiers I have a problem with, it’s who he sent after the Purifiers. Or allowed to go after them. Perhaps Scott does have a bigger plan that doesn’t make him look like he approves of allowing a 16 year old to become a murderer again. Or did he think that Logan would have gone to greater lengths to stop Laura and Jimmy from killing? Logan’s gone much farther before.

I’m hoping Kyle and Yost do have something up their sleeves here with what’s going on, since I can’t see this series going on for long with X-Force killing. It's hard to read about characters you care about making the wrong decisions, and if that keeps going on, you stop caring.

Laura has been a murderer since she was cloned. There is no changing what she is. X-Force #1 was the first time you could actually see her thought process, that kid thinks like a machine. Cold and calculated.

[leebrown1990]

Just read this, I'm a bit behind at the moment. But anyway Ive been really excited for this series since it was announced, and the wait has payed off. I'm definitely going to be sticking around, Kyle & Yost are 2 of my favorite writers at the moment and they haven't let me down. Crains art personally I thought looked great at points like the splash page Caliban's Grave, but at times looked like a cheap online game print screen, or something like that lol. Worst example of this were page 11 the largest frame were 23 is kneeling in a shield room, she looks like a stamp model on a pre-rendered background. Looks really tacky, but the worst is page 17 were 23, logan and warpath are stood, with 23 holding the sniper rifle. It looks like an amateur doing 3d modeling, looks really bad. All in all a i thought it was a pretty solid package. Nice cliff hanger as well.

Anyone think this issue showed a new side of Kyle & Yost, don't know what it is but they seemed to have evolved as writers lol. I guess they just took a slightly different method of story telling than seen previously in new x-men. I can say the "NM" word right :-P?

[Kage Kisaragi]

I didn't vote because like I said in the other X-Force thread, the artwork made me feel dirty.

[sephirothskiller]

Just read this, I'm a bit behind at the moment. But anyway Ive been really excited for this series since it was announced, and the wait has payed off. I'm definitely going to be sticking around, Kyle & Yost are 2 of my favorite writers at the moment and they haven't let me down. Crains art personally I thought looked great at points like the splash page Caliban's Grave, but at times looked like a cheap online game print screen, or something like that lol. Worst example of this were page 11 the largest frame were 23 is kneeling in a shield room, she looks like a stamp model on a pre-rendered background. Looks really tacky, but the worst is page 17 were 23, logan and warpath are stood, with 23 holding the sniper rifle. It looks like an amateur doing 3d modeling, looks really bad. All in all a i thought it was a pretty solid package. Nice cliff hanger as well.

Anyone think this issue showed a new side of Kyle & Yost, don't know what it is but they seemed to have evolved as writers lol. I guess they just took a slightly different method of story telling than seen previously in new x-men. I can say the "NM" word right :-P?

I thought that the sniper page looked really nice. I guess it just depends on whether or not you're a fan of digital stuff. I am.

I don't think it's 3d modeled, I'm pretty sure that's all drawn in 2d and just coloured/rendered to look more three dimensional.

[ClanAskani]

Laura has been a murderer since she was cloned. There is no changing what she is. X-Force #1 was the first time you could actually see her thought process, that kid thinks like a machine. Cold and calculated.

Yes, all Laura knows is being a killer. But Scott and Logan shouldn't accept that that's all she'll ever be. She's only a kid and been through endless trying ordeals in New X-Men. She can't choose for herself.

Scott was willing to throw Dani to the curb to help Laura before. Scott (nor Logan) shouldn't accept that there's no fighting Laura's nature and letting her go down that path again. But that defeats the purpose of X-Force as a wetworks team.

If it's simply Laura becomes a killer again, then everything she went through in New X-Men was for nothing. I doubt that's Kyle and Yost's intention.

[sephirothskiller]

ClanAskani, you're right, they'll definately be getting into Laura's head and developing her. It wouldn't make sense for the people that are all about X-23 to suddenly go to ignoring her and making her just a killing machine again

. Plus they talk about emotional anguish in Issue 4. Does someone die? Is that where it comes from? Maybe. Maybe its Rahne. I think so because I like Rahne and therefore expect her death.

Source for the emotional anguish bit: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13013

[darksaint124]

Anyone think this issue showed a new side of Kyle & Yost, don't know what it is but they seemed to have evolved as writers lol. I guess they just took a slightly different method of story telling than seen previously in new x-men. I can say the "NM" word right :-P?

Yes, they tweaked their writing style. There's an interview somewhere around this site that goes more in depth to the changes they made.(can someone re-post the link)

[sephirothskiller]

Yes, they tweaked their writing style. There's an interview somewhere around this site that goes more in depth to the changes they made.(can someone re-post the link)

Yah I'd like to see that link if anyone has it.

[frog]

My issue finally arrived.

I enjoyed it for the most part. The one big distraction is Rahne's wolf form. It looks like someone grabbed her ears from behind and someone else took h old of her nose and both pulled for dear life.