EXCLUSIVE: "Ultimates 3" #3 Preview

[andy khouri]

Courtesy of Marvel Comics, CBR brings you an exclusive preview of "Ultimates 3" #3 by Jeph Loeb and Joe Madureira, on sale next week in comics stores everywhere.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12970

[cyko]

it is like a train wreck.

Even though it is horrible, you are still unable to look away.

and wasn`t Wanda hot for Cyke during Millar's run?

[Brian M.]

HAHAHAHA

"Did you have a wife and two kids?"

Great comeback.

I enjoy this book.

[Prime24]

guys you have to admit. Madureira's artwork is STUNNING. I like what i see so far.valkyrie's annoying though. oh well she is a 19-year old groupie. Loeb's characterization of wolverine is spot-on. Is kirkman reading this? someone pls get the x-men back to these cool costumes. Logan looks good

[Omega Alpha]

When you think that this book couldn't get any worse...

[Push You Down]

So is the shocking revelation about Pietro and Wanda going to be they aren't brother and sister? Because that's the only way to make it less creepy.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

the "Wife and Kids." priceless.
kind of crazy.

[Beast]

HAHAHAHA

"Did you have a wife and two kids?"

Great comeback.

I enjoy this book.
Same here. Screw the haters. I've really enjoyed the book so far.

[40footwolf]

I don't think I've ever seen a more unpleasent group of Super-Heroes in my life...and I read The Boys every month.

[rajincajun689]

Wow, Loeb actually writes Wolverine well. Maybe this issue won't completely blow...

[Toboe]

Wolverine's comeback at Hawkeye was hilarious. His characterization is spot-on, although so far he's the only one... Interesting he seems to have had a thing for Wanda, while she was drooling for Cyclops. And apparently he got over it soon by doing Jean instead...

Hawkeye's death wish scenes always look so forced and out of place. It could have been an interesting take on him if handled right.

And are we to expect Captain America to just stare at Wolverine and Hawkeye as they fight each other?

Art looks great. I love Madureira's Wolverine.

[chrismileslord]

Same here. Screw the haters. I've really enjoyed the book so far.

Well put, I personally love this book. Being this is the only Ultimate line book I read, it might be the reason, but I love this book.

[ThePhenom]

it is like a train wreck.

Even though it is horrible, you are still unable to look away.

and wasn`t Wanda hot for Cyke during Millar's run?

Perhaps it happened before 'The Tomorrow People'.

Anyway, think it looks horrible but I'll still buy it because I love the Ultimates that much, just pains me to see it destroyed like this though.

[cap5]

how is Ultimates 3 so far

[rwsmith]

Mad draws an excellent Wolverine, but the "wife and two kids" line seemed a bit...harsh. Of course, Ultimate Wolverine was always more of an @$$hole than his 616 counterpart (that is, until BKV basically turned him into the 616 version), so perhaps Loeb is going back to that characterization.

My only other nitpick involves one panel where Wolverine is shown as visibly much shorter than Hawkeye and Cap. Ultimate Wolverine is 6 feet tall! I wish the editors would make sure that the artists and writers understand the differences between the Ultimate characters and the original versions. Not a major thing, as several other artists have made this mistake.

[Tobias March]

I've just realized my problem with the book. It reads like Torchwood, but somehow worse.

[ascloseasitgets]

If you're enjoying this, stop huffing what ever's in the ziplock bag and go back to high school.

[CaptainCanada]

Uh, didn't Hawkeye have three kids?

[Joe Franklin]

If you're enjoying this, stop huffing what ever's in the ziplock bag and go back to high school.

I buy this for the art, and the art is far superior to the first 2 volumes of the Ultimates.

Joe Mad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hitch, and it's not even close.

[Wild Card13]

The art is absolutely stunning. In fact, I'd say it's as stunning as the writing is dreary. It's not the biggest trainwreck Loeb's had a hand in (see Heroes, season 2), but that still doesn't completely save it.

But Joe Madureira sure does.

[ThePhenom]

Uh, didn't Hawkeye have three kids?

I literally laughed out loud to this one, but then thought about it, realised I think your right and hated Loeb that much more...

[40footwolf]

I buy this for the art, and the art is far superior to the first 2 volumes of the Ultimates.

Joe Mad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hitch, and it's not even close.

I think you just won the Wrong Award for acheivment in Wrongness.

Congratulations!

[Joe Franklin]

I think you just won the Wrong Award for acheivment in Wrongness.

Congratulations!

No way I beat you out for first place. You are my role model and the master for wrongness my good friend.:D

[chrismileslord]

If you're enjoying this, stop huffing what ever's in the ziplock bag and go back to high school.

Wow, I love when these discussions become like this, "I'm going to make a completely unnecessary comment because I have nothing else to say, so I am going to believe that anyone who likes this book is wrong because I personally don't like it"

Many like the book for the art, personally I like the book for the writing and the art. The same thing happens to every "Batman & Robin the boy wonder" by Frank Miller thread.

If you don't have something to add to the conversation, or to discuss about the book without insulting other people, why post it?

Sorry for the frustration, I just get tired of seeing this.




Okay, for the book, It looks amazing and the art is wonderful, and I love how this is written. I don't read any other Ultimate Line Books except Ultimates 1 & 2 so I don't know about continuity but it is so fun to read.

[Josef F.]

I Freaking LOVE how much of a C word Wolvie's being.
It's not as bad as some are saying.
It gets a B+ at LEAST.

[Slyfer]

Now thats how you write ultimate Logan

[Joe Franklin]

Wow, I love when these discussions become like this, "I'm going to make a completely unnecessary comment because I have nothing else to say, so I am going to believe that anyone who likes this book is wrong because I personally don't like it"

Many like the book for the art, personally I like the book for the writing and the art. The same thing happens to every "Batman & Robin the boy wonder" by Frank Miller thread.

If you don't have something to add to the conversation, or to discuss about the book without insulting other people, why post it?

Sorry for the frustration, I just get tired of seeing this.


Especially since this comic book is awesome and all. Some folks just don't understand the impact of 2 comic book creator legends together at the same time on on a comic book. The sales figures are imense, so the quality is there. Low quality doesn't sell in today's crowded comic book market, and Ultimates Vol. 3 sells at the #1 spot every month, so what does this say? The haters are few, and the lovers are many.:cool:

[CaptainCanada]

I literally laughed out loud to this one, but then thought about it, realised I think your right and hated Loeb that much more...
Checking the second trade of v.2, in the storming of the house, the commandos say there are two kids upstairs, plus Hawkeye and Callum downstairs, and the body count later read to Fury in the next issue is:

Laura Barton, Callum Barton, Lewis Barton, and baby Nicole Barton.

So that's his wife, plus three kids.

Oops.

[ThePhenom]

Especially since this comic book is awesome and all. Some folks just don't understand the impact of 2 comic book creator legends together at the same time on on a comic book. The sales figures are imense, so the quality is there. Low quality doesn't sell in today's crowded comic book market, and Ultimates Vol. 3 sells at the #1 spot every month, so what does this say? The haters are few, and the lovers are many.:cool:

The film that topped the box office last month was "Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds Concert Tour" so I'm not sure no. 1 spot is a guarantee or anything :p.

Admiteddly I'm a Loeb hater but I don't want to start more wars, each to their own...

[Joe Franklin]

The film that topped the box office last month was "Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds Concert Tour" so I'm not sure no. 1 spot is a guarantee or anything :p.

Admiteddly I'm a Loeb hater but I don't want to start more wars, each to their own...

Millions of satisfied fans thought so, while 3 or 4 haters protested it.

What's your point?

[Beast]

The film that topped the box office last month was "Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds Concert Tour" so I'm not sure no. 1 spot is a guarantee or anything :p.

Admiteddly I'm a Loeb hater but I don't want to start more wars, each to their own...
Yeah, that's because kids love her and the tickets were $15.00 a piece. Which is still cheaper than buying tickets to the actual concerts. So of course it made big money.

[Beast]

Bloody Forums!!

[chrismileslord]

Sorry, didn't mean to start a fight, I was just saying that if you like the book or not, definately speak up, make discussion, conversation thats what the boards are for, but comments that just insult people for liking something bother me. Didn't mean to cause a ruckus. My apologies.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Looks cool, actually. Loved the "Didn't you used to have a wife and two kids?"

I hate little emo bitch Hawkeye, though. I understand him, but damn. Too much.

Wolverine is spot on. The art is great to look at.

So, I stand by what I said--looks cool.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

If you're enjoying this, stop huffing what ever's in the ziplock bag and go back to high school.

What an asshole-y, ignorant, stupid thing to say.

[Joe Franklin]

Wolverine was right that Hawkeye had a wife and 2 kids(he has 3, so he has to have 2), now if he had said wife and one kid, he would have been wrong.;)

[Joe Franklin]

What an asshole-y, ignorant, stupid thing to say.

Especially since he is wrong.;)

[maraxus60]

What the HE!! is Jeph Loeb Smoking? OMG I honestly thought this was going to get better, Obviously I was wrong. Damn This book is trash now, its a shame, because this could have been so much better. That said I will wait for the rest of the issue to pass final judgement. And as far as Mad's art, he is NOT what he used to be, I'm not saying thats a good or bad thing BUT he has changed alot and I am not too sure I like it, maybe its the coloring?

[Joe Franklin]

And as far as Mad's art, he is NOT what he used to be, I'm not saying thats a good or bad thing BUT he has changed alot and I am not too sure I like it, maybe its the coloring?

This is the first time in Joe Mad's career, where he didn't have an inker finish his published comic book art for him. Digital colors are placed directly over his pencils in Ultimates Vol. 3, so it looks a bit muddy at times. It's not Joe's fault, it's the colorists fault.

[maraxus60]

I can live with that as an excuse then. IF it's the coloring then I can live with it, BUT I think something is wrong with Loeb, The fight was ok? but when Logan turns around and says "And she could've been mine" I mean come on, from reading UXM I never got the sense that Wanda was into Logan, BUT..........
AKKK Loeb is killin me.

[ascloseasitgets]

Wow, I love when these discussions become like this, "I'm going to make a completely unnecessary comment because I have nothing else to say, so I am going to believe that anyone who likes this book is wrong because I personally don't like it"

Many like the book for the art, personally I like the book for the writing and the art. The same thing happens to every "Batman & Robin the boy wonder" by Frank Miller thread.

If you don't have something to add to the conversation, or to discuss about the book without insulting other people, why post it?


Oh there's plenty to say:

1- It recounted past event through straight expatiation without any attempt to cover it up... While still not explaining much about the how the team got into the state it is now.

2- The characters are caricatures of themselves -- Wolverine, Thor and Captain America especially. "Watch the language." ... Come on.

3- It's gratuitous. Everything about it. Loeb has pumped the story fill of sex and violence to replace the political and edgy feel of the title, which in theory is fine. But he's done it cheaply. There's no tension. It's all straight up boobs flopping around and guns going off.

4- The art is full of hulking Gumby+Manga interpretations of the characters without any explanation for the sudden shift towards "The Avengers"-style costuming. It's also murky and flat.

5- One of the worst characters is Hawkeye. For someone who is so torn up and clearly vocal about hating life, Clint makes NO sense even still being on the team much less SURPRISING people with his bad attitude when he's done nothing to hide it.

6- Not even comparing it to Millar/Hitch, it is just a BAD story. It's gliding on this big mystery surrounding "Who dunnit?" but it does nothing expect that. There's some big stink going on surrounding Wanda's murder and we are told there is. It's not some well-plotted, gradually unfolding mystery that gets bigger as the story goes. It's all on the table and everyone's just waiting for the why. No subtlety anywhere.

... Shall I continue?

And before I get any "stop buying it then" comments from the kids drinking the Kool-Aid, I have. It's just a shame to see it lying in the gutter.


What an asshole-y, ignorant, stupid thing to say.

Um... Redundancy much, Buffy?

[Will.S]

Loving the art.

Dialogue doesn't seem as forced as #2's for some reason but Loeb's Wolverine is definitely good.

[Trey]

So are they going to do something to fix the coloring, cus these pages are more vibrant.

[Will.S]

So are they going to do something to fix the coloring, cus these pages are more vibrant.
I think they've fixed the coloring problem that hurt the first issue after having reprinted it. From #2 onwards it should look vibrant and less muddy, I personally love the glossy, pastel, and rich look of the colors.

[Joe Franklin]

4- The art is full of hulking Gumby+Manga interpretations of the characters without any explanation for the sudden shift towards "The Avengers"-style costuming. It's also murky and flat.


I prefer the more superhero-like costumes and ramped up action and Manga style action oriented art. So this is a plus for me over the Millar/Hitch stuff.:cool:

[chrismileslord]

Oh there's plenty to say:

1- It recounted past event through straight expatiation without any attempt to cover it up... While still not explaining much about the how the team got into the state it is now.

2- The characters are caricatures of themselves -- Wolverine, Thor and Captain America especially. "Watch the language." ... Come on.

3- It's gratuitous. Everything about it. Loeb has pumped the story fill of sex and violence to replace the political and edgy feel of the title, which in theory is fine. But he's done it cheaply. There's no tension. It's all straight up boobs flopping around and guns going off.

4- The art is full of hulking Gumby+Manga interpretations of the characters without any explanation for the sudden shift towards "The Avengers"-style costuming. It's also murky and flat.

5- One of the worst characters is Hawkeye. For someone who is so torn up and clearly vocal about hating life, Clint makes NO sense even still being on the team much less SURPRISING people with his bad attitude when he's done nothing to hide it.

6- Not even comparing it to Millar/Hitch, it is just a BAD story. It's gliding on this big mystery surrounding "Who dunnit?" but it does nothing expect that. There's some big stink going on surrounding Wanda's murder and we are told there is. It's not some well-plotted, gradually unfolding mystery that gets bigger as the story goes. It's all on the table and everyone's just waiting for the why. No subtlety anywhere.

... Shall I continue?

And before I get any "stop buying it then" comments from the kids drinking the Kool-Aid, I have. It's just a shame to see it lying in the gutter.




Um... Redundancy much, Buffy?


Nope that was great, and you have awesome opinions and if you would have said that in the first place, it would have created a great discussion, so onto that.

About the first, yes it does need some more explaining, but the series isn't over, and I have hope that it will be discussed before the issue is over. Second, Ultimate Captain America has been written in '50's style and in the 50's cursing in front of women was a big deal, so that's why he would say that. Seems perfectly in character for Ultimate Cap. The same with ultimate Thor making everyone stop. Third, Loeb is not Miller/Hitch and I am not comparing his run with their run, yes, it's not so political, I personally love both, and I am okay with it not being political because this is way more of a fun read. The costumes I didn't even notice, and it doesn't bother me, your probably right there. I love how Hawkeye has become this character, I like the way he is treated, the being suprised thing is a little annoying because everyone should expect it by now. The story doesn't compare with Miller/Hitch but I am not comparing, I like the story and how its set up because it is a fun read, at least for me. I like the way it has played out so far, and it has left me wanting more when it was over, which I think a lot of comics don't do. So overall I think it's doing great, but you do make some very valid points.

[40footwolf]

No way I beat you out for first place. You are my role model and the master for wrongness my good friend.:D

No, no, my good man; one day the people of the world will build a statue of you, and somebody will remark, "Aren't the proportions slightly off", and another will say, "There stands the wrongest man who ever lived...wrong to the end".:)

[Camron Amaya]

lol what a mess

[xarathos]

It's almost intentually bad. I swear, it's like a B-movie script on a 200 million dollar budget.

I'm still not sure how much I like Joe Mad's digital inking on this. His pencils look fantastic, so it's not that. It looks great, but I debate to myself how great.

Oh, dear lord. He's referring to Wolverine as 'James'.

[Likeaphoenix]

Am I the only one who finds Jeph Loeb's writing incredibly bad with idiotic and juvenile dialogues, mostly showcased here in these preview pages and check out Valkyrie's stupid comment with regard to Thor? In my opinion, he's an awful, awful writer. He's like the Rob Liefeld of writers...all flash and no substance.

I cringed and said "Oh Fricken No!" when I heard he had signed an exclusive with Marvel. So far his "Onslaught: Reborn" and "Ultimates 3" Have left me underwhelmed, disappointed and disgusted. The one thing he has going for him is that he gets to work with super talented artists, e.g., Jim Lee, Maduiera, etc, who happen to be very good at storytelling with their aweseom art.

For the life of me, I don't understand why Marvel is giving him all these plum assignments, which he's slowly and systematically killing. I have a feeling that soon, once readers are able to see beyond the fantastic art, they'll drop the books.

[Bruce Edwards]

I was cautiosly optimistic about Ultimates 3, but I'm dropping it. Given how much I loved Ultimates 1 & 2 this is painful but ... yeah.

Just too many details in this new series strike me as wrong.

[ultimate hulk]

oh man i just don't freaking believe it! wife and two kids? u mean wife and three kids right? right loeb!!!?
he's making cap come across as a bully just because someone curses,didn't wasp told cap that he too curses sometimes? when cap was complaining about the movie they went to see.
that tells me cap curses in front of women.:D

[hunter_peterson]

Uh, just a note here, but Wolverine never implied that he had the hots for Wanda. He said "she's Magneto's daughter...but she could have been mine." So Wolverine boned the twin's mom before she was Mrs. Magneto.

And everyone quit sqaubbling, you sound like bitchy cheerleaders.

[carabas]

So... when exactly did Ultimate Wolverine get his memories from 20-30 years ago back? Last time I checked he couldn't rememer a single thing that happened before he got captured by Weapon X.

As for him going off at Hawkeye, that's just because Hawkeye's a blonde.

I like how Loeb brings up a glaringly huge plot hole in his story (if it's suspect that Magneto knows so soon about Wanda being shot, how come Wolverine knows at pretty much the same time?), and then just has the Ultimates swallow his BS explanation (we make it our business to know about Magneto). Being the first supervillain to ever attack america, isn't it the Ultimates' business as well to keep track of Magneto?

Also, how exactly did Wolverine and the X-Men know that it wasn't Magneto being locked up in the Triskelion, and why didn't they see fit to share this rather critical piece of information?

[Prime24]

Look at that. in less than 13hrs this thread has over 50 posts and 900views. For a book that people "claim" to hate, it sure does get a lot of attention.Admit it people, you love the book. let's all sit back and enjoy the series and stop comparing it to Millar's run.

[HepOne]

YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS Ultimate Wolverine is back. If Loeb has failed at everything else, at least he brought back ultimate wolverine. From the original Cho variant I am assuming that he had a relationship with Scarlet Witch.

Vaughn and Kirkman forgot that this is the guy that slept with jean within 6 issues, attempted to murder Cyclops on 3 occasions and gutted Magneto before 616 did it.

BTW I have been enjoying Ultimates 3, the dialogue is off but it is still enjoyable. #2 was an improvement over #1 and I hope #3 is better.

[Ramirez IV]

I agree with the 'Torchwood' analogy posted a little bit earlier on. Yes, Ultimates 3 is essentially a bit rubbish, but it's really quite entertaining rubbish. I like to be entertained by entertainment generally, its a thing I have. This issue looks a lot better than the previous two and made me genuinely laugh a couple of times (Didn't you have a wife... F**k off Janet etc) and that's only from the previews. That said, unless Loeb pulls something out of the bag to justify all these sweeping generalizations and shock value moments history will consign Ultimates 3 to an entertaining diversion rather than a comics-changing event like Millar and Hitch's run.

I like it, in short. But I don't love it.

Oh, and as for the gripe about the number of Hawkeye's kids? It's Wolverine. I doubt he Wikied the Ultimates before he went out kick some dinosaur arse.

...Or then maybe he did and the information was wrong. Damn Wikipedia.

[End of Time]

Uh, just a note here, but Wolverine never implied that he had the hots for Wanda. He said "she's Magneto's daughter...but she could have been mine." So Wolverine boned the twin's mom before she was Mrs. Magneto.

And everyone quit sqaubbling, you sound like bitchy cheerleaders.

Yeah definately, I wanted to comment on it, after three pages, then read your comment, so I didn't have to point out that the way the sentence is constructed, implies heavily that Wanda could have been Wolverine's daughter.

"It's magneto's death lair... but it could have been mine"
"It's magneto's toy... but it could have been mine"

"It" refers to the relationship Magneto has to it, be it object he holds, or daughter he has, it is not the object itself.

[Froggy]

I can live with that as an excuse then. IF it's the coloring then I can live with it, BUT I think something is wrong with Loeb, The fight was ok? but when Logan turns around and says "And she could've been mine" I mean come on, from reading UXM I never got the sense that Wanda was into Logan, BUT..........
AKKK Loeb is killin me.

I never did get that feeling from UXM either

but damn.the "didn't you use to have a wife and two kids" line was priceless

[RodeoWearden]

I really hope they take it at the "Wanda could have been my daughter" rather than "Wanda should have been my lover." Because it would be a so much better twist than the old tired "I was in love with someone who didnt love me" bit.

And I'll admit, there are some things in the book that irk me, but thats not going to keep me from buying it. I love the story, I love the change of pace, I love the characters (even Valkyrie, who is annoying, but still fun to read).

The way I keep thinking about it is this...what if Ultimates V3 had been Ultimates V1? What if this book was how the Ultimates series had started? I think I would have loved it. And thats why I'll keep reading, because even though I can nitpick everything, I'm still enjoying it, and thats what I paid for.

[carabas]

Yeah definately, I wanted to comment on it, after three pages, then read your comment, so I didn't have to point out that the way the sentence is constructed, implies heavily that Wanda could have been Wolverine's daughter.Except of course that Wolverine has no memories from the time period in which Wanda was born (unles she's a super-fast aging mutant who is five years old or thereabout).

[Grunty]

The following is just my personal opionion and since i'm only some guy on the internet its basicly meaningless, besides seeing how so many on the Marvel.Com forum seem to like this, than i guess i'm in the minority, but still i wanted to get this out:

Wow three pages wasted for nothing!
I know Ultimate Wolverine is a total a**hole but, i always thought he was a profensional in his job.
Driving possible allies into a berzerk by hurting them looks like the most unprofesional thing someone can do.
Especialy if they are suicidal and shooting on fellow superheros only because, those have once defeated the same guy, who attacked them a short time ago.
I really think Wolverine is smarter than that.

The whole comment was just unncesary shock effect which wasn't shocking at all.
Besides if i remember right Hawkeye had three kids, a boy, a girl and a baby (Nick fury has name of the female kid as tattoo because he was her godfather).

And why the hell do we need two pages for a scene that could have been done on half a page?
For a scene which is unncessary in first place.
Really the whole space could have been better used to put in better dialoges or flesh out characters.

But they just wasted two pages to show again how depressed and suicidal Hawkeye now is and that Wolverine can take bullets to the face without even flinching.

Great no wonder the story feels so slow for me if so much space is wasted for unnecesary fights (like the one with Spiderman last issue).

[Your Imaginary Pal]

sure it's insipid, but we all need a little crazy in our lives.
complete departure in tone from what's come before, trading the subtle slow progress for over the top in your face action, but I dig Joe Mad's art. It's escapism and fantasy. This is the WWE, testosterone in tights.
IF you try to take it too seriously, your head WILL explode.

[Charles01]

I threw my Ultimates volume 1 in the garbage, skipped volume 2 all together to avoid more Millar stupidity and disrespect, but this Ultimates volume 3 because of those gorgeous art previews and the fact that Jeph Loeb is writing it, I might just get the oversize hardcover edition of this

in 2 years I suppose if no more delays :D

The "Hey, watch that language Mister" comment was kind of funny too; I guess in animation they would put the BEEP sound over the word F@#%, as in BEEP You too

And from what I see of the sales charts (http://www.cbgxtra.com/Default.aspx?tabid=2510) this baby is really selling well

#1 best seller - Ultimates3 #1 - 131,322 copies sold at the very least
not counting future reprints in whatever collected editions

But of course Millar sold or bought back his own Civil War crap, so let's just hope that Jeph Loeb's run wont be just some cheap shock value gimmick knock off event, and unlike Millar, he will actually use a little his brain cells to make something intelligent and fun, without the kid or wife beating, disrespecting of victims of Hiroshima & Nagasaki, insulting the French all over the world, or the usual racism or Arabo/Islamophobia, the kind of stuff I would expect from a simple minded idiot, but not from Jeph Loeb, which usually has higher standard than to feed readers with more disrespect of masses through out the world and dumb hatred

[Blader5489]

I throw my Ultimate volume 1 in the garbage, skipped volume 2 all together to avoid more Millar stupidity and disrespect, but this Ultimates volume 3 because of those gorgeous art previous and the fact that Jeph Loeb is writing it, I might just get the oversize hardcover edition of this

in 2 years I suppose if no more delays :D

The "Hey, watch that language Mister" comment was kind of funny too; I guess in animation they would put the BEEP sound over the word F@#%, as in BEEP You too

And from what I see of the sales charts (http://www.cbgxtra.com/Default.aspx?tabid=2510) this baby is really selling well



But of course Millar sold or bought back his own Civil War crap, so let's just hope that Jeph Loeb's run wont be just some cheap shock value gimmick knock off event, and unlike Millar, he will actually use a little his brain cells to make something intelligent and fun, without the kid or wife beating, disrespecting of victims of Hiroshima & Nagasaki, insulting the French all over the world, or the usual racism or Arabo/Islamophobia, the kind of stuff I would expect from a simple minded idiot, but not from Jeph Loeb, which usually has higher standard than to feed readers with more disrespect of masses through out the world and hatred

This is a joke post, right?

[Will.S]

Yeah definately, I wanted to comment on it, after three pages, then read your comment, so I didn't have to point out that the way the sentence is constructed, implies heavily that Wanda could have been Wolverine's daughter.

"It's magneto's death lair... but it could have been mine"
"It's magneto's toy... but it could have been mine"

"It" refers to the relationship Magneto has to it, be it object he holds, or daughter he has, it is not the object itself.
I don't think Logan is referring to Wanda as in a fatherly sense, the discarded Frank Cho cover already tells me that Wolverine is talking about her in a relationship/sexual context. But then again you could be right.

[CapnCaveman]

I have to admit, I did not care for the first couple issues of this, mainly because the art and setting made it look too much like 616. I was really pissed at how they ruined Ultimate Thor, one of my favourite characters ever.

But this preview looks alright. I wan't going to buy the book, but might give the it one more shot with this.

[Grunty]

EDIT: Wrong section. Can someone tell me if its possible to delete a post?

[End of Time]

I don't think Logan is referring to Wanda as in a fatherly sense, the discarded Frank Cho cover already tells me that Wolverine is talking about her in a relationship/sexual context. But then again you could be right.

Then it's just sloppily put to words.

Either way Loeb fails the internet with this preview... despite the outcome.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Um... Redundancy much, Buffy?



Can the attitude.

[Vapour Trail]

Jeph Loeb already explained why Wolverine is 5 feet tall here and in previous appearances he was over 6 feet.

[RodeoWearden]

Jeph Loeb already explained why Wolverine is 5 feet tall here and in previous appearances he was over 6 feet.
Really? Cause I'd love to hear that explanation.

[Vapour Trail]

Really? Cause I'd love to hear that explanation.


Wasn't it that people believed in him now, whereas before they didn't.

[RodeoWearden]

Wasn't it that people believed in him now, whereas before they didn't.
...
...
Wait, was that a joke? Did I just get burned?

"Every time a bell rings, wolvie gets his wings".

Every time a drum beats, wolvie shrinks a couple feet.

Logan is the same height whether I believe in him or not.

Christ...I sure hope that was somebody's idea of a joke.

[Grunty]

Wasn't it that people believed in him now, whereas before they didn't.

If this isn't a joke than you accidently got it the wrong way around.

616 Wolverine was original only around 5 feet tall. I got some issue from the 90s in which he was a whole head smaller than most (Uncanny X-men 325 shows him walking next to storm and his head only reach her chest height).

However with the movies becoming popular and Jackman being relativ tall they slowly made him larger in the comics too.
However as far as i know it was his Ultimate version which was 6 feet tall first, before his main version.

[flapjaxx]

I think they've fixed the coloring problem that hurt the first issue after having reprinted it. From #2 onwards it should look vibrant and less muddy, I personally love the glossy, pastel, and rich look of the colors.

Errr, do you mean that there's a second printing of issue #1 that had better coloring/inking? Please tell me this is the case.

That's awful if that comment about computerized inking or whatever is true. There's really no excuse for Marvel letting issue #1 out in the state it was in if they could have just run it through the scanners differently and gotten a significantly better look.

As far as the "Mad>*infinity*>Hitch" comment, and the total rebuke of that. Ahem. I'd never buy a book because of Hitch art, that's all I'm saying. I'm not impressed with it. I remember the stuff he did in the early-mid '90s, and he's still that guy to me. He's okay, he's kinda good. But then they greenlighted it for him to spend 5x as long as he used to spend drawing one issue. And detail in art just doesn't impress me, usually. I don't care how much insane detail is in it. A big splash page of insanely detailed art, to me that's usually a waste of space.

And yes Vols 1 & 2 seem leagues better than Vol 3, overall. But if Vol 3 is a B-movie, remember that Hitch/Millar's stuff was thought of as a summer blockbuster. And most summer blockbusters aren't exactly Watchmen, or even something like Bendis's Daredevil. This is superhero comics, fellows, and not even groundbreaking stuff. At all. I buy Ultimates 3 because I think Joe Mad's art is bananas.

Loeb is indeed fast becoming the Liefeld of writers, but ease up on the "two kids comment". That's Wolverine saying that, not Jeph Loeb directly. So even if Loeb did mess up slightly, it's pretty easy to ignore that error. It's not something that's going to break the suspension of disbelief in th narrative, if you care about that, especially since "wife and two kids" is almost like a catch-phrase statement anyway.

[Joe Franklin]

This thread has over 2,100 views, so somebody must like Ultimates vol.3.;)

And Marvel has announced due to sell outs by Diamond and retailers, Issue #2 is going to reprints with a variant cover. This is the hottest series on the market folks, like it or not. :cool:

[ultimate hulk]

loeb belongs in 616 where corny writings are considered good.
mad art doesn't belong with the ultimates either.:D

[Beast]

loeb belongs in 616 where corny writings are considered good.
mad art doesn't belong with the ultimates either.:D
There's plenty of corny writing in the Ultimateverse. :p

[ThePhenom]

Millions of satisfied fans thought so, while 3 or 4 haters protested it.

What's your point?

My point is quality does not equate sales, especially in our consumerist society...

You've never had a favourite title that's been cancelled by bad sales or a title that did really well that you thought sucked?

[Joe Franklin]

You've never had a favourite title that's been cancelled by bad sales or a title that did really well that you thought sucked?

Yes I have indeed. But my opinion, is just my opinion, and not a fact as to the quality of any given comic book. I always say I don't like certain writers or artist's styles, but I also say that they are very skilled at their crafts. You have about as good a shot at winning the lottery, as you do at ever getting to write or draw the Ultimates for Marvel. In other words, you have to be great at what you do to get the job.

[ThePhenom]

Yes I have indeed. But my opinion, is just my opinion, and not a fact as to the quality of any given comic book. I always say I don't like certain writers or artist's styles, but I also say that they are very skilled at their crafts. You have about as good a shot at winning the lottery, as you do at ever getting to write or draw the Ultimates for Marvel. In other words, you have to be great at what you do to get the job.

Yeah, no argument here, I do believe Loeb is a competent writer at certain things...

I mean I still personally think that sticking Loeb on this title isn't playing to his strengths and the dialogue is haphanded, but in my opinion he was just never right for the title.

He even said that this was a 616-story he never got to do, he hasn't acknowledged the whole underlying concept of the Ultimate universe and this is my main problem... and the dialogue.

[Joe Franklin]

Yeah, no argument here, I do believe Loeb is a competent writer at certain things...

I mean I still personally think that sticking Loeb on this title isn't playing to his strengths and the dialogue is haphanded, but in my opinion he was just never right for the title.

He even said that this was a 616-story he never got to do, he hasn't acknowledged the whole underlying concept of the Ultimate universe and this is my main problem... and the dialogue.

True. Dialog is not always Loeb's strong point, but he sure is good at telling action packed stories, which are my favorite kind. I can get past corny dialog for lots of action.:)

[Charles01]

loeb belongs in 616 where corny writings are considered good.
mad art doesn't belong with the ultimates either.:D
Personally I wish this team had gone regular Marvel universe, out of Millar's cheap gimmick civil war continuity, or for Jeph Loeb to work in his own separate Marvel universe detach from way to much ridiculous continuity like Ultimate of Civil War nonsense; and maybe call his title Absolute Avengers or something. I hate it when a new creative team comes in and takes over other people's cheap gimmickry, rather then start fresh, not having to climb out of someone else ultimate trash can. Jeph should have insisted on working and developping his own universe

Now could someone please put some side-wings on Captain America's mask; I don't care if it's painted on, stappled on, or just patched on, but for God's sake, please put something
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/picture00000007/Untitled.jpg

[Will.S]

Errr, do you mean that there's a second printing of issue #1 that had better coloring/inking? Please tell me this is the case.Yep, it has the Valkyrie/Venom cover which is reprint art from the interiors. It looks MUCH better and I wished that it came out this good when the first printing came out. I honestly think most of the coloring issues people had with the first book are gone with the reprint.

That's awful if that comment about computerized inking or whatever is true. There's really no excuse for Marvel letting issue #1 out in the state it was in if they could have just run it through the scanners differently and gotten a significantly better look.
Yeah it happens all the time. I remember Loeb and Bianchi having similar problems with the colors not coming out right during printing in their Wolverine run.

[eon001]

Well from a casual readers point of view, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Great artwork and fun banther. There's nothing wrong with dissecting comics, we all do it, but just remeber guys, the more you analize comics the less you enjoy them. ;)

[Omega Alpha]

but just remeber guys, the more you analize comics the less you enjoy them. ;)

No. If they are really good, the more you analize the more you will enjoy them. And the same applies to almost any art.

[Ultimate Interpol]

No. If they are really good, the more you analize the more you will enjoy them. And the same applies to almost any art.

But the more good books you read the higher your expectations are, thus never being able to enjoy a mediocre comic with a popular medium.

Also Marvel is probably only paying attention to the number of sales they have, whether we call it a good comic or not doesn't matter to them, We will have reprints of the entire series by the end.

Standards are dropped when a A-List writer is on a project. They'll want to write their favorite 90's arc or a 90's-esque project. Read Kirkman's UXM run then The Walking Dead then Invincible and ask yourself is he a good writer.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

This thread has over 2,100 views, so somebody must like Ultimates vol.3.;)

And Marvel has announced due to sell outs by Diamond and retailers, Issue #2 is going to reprints with a variant cover. This is the hottest series on the market folks, like it or not. :cool:

And at one time Britney Spears had the highest selling CDs around. Popularity does not equal quality.

[Just a Shadow]

I haven't read Ultimates 3 as of yet because I intend to wait for the trade, so i don't really know much about what's going on. However, I hear people bashing it left, right and center. I was wondering if someone could tell me in a somewhat concise manner what is so bad about it cuz I really liked the first two Ultimates books and i wonder what went so wrong this time.

[carabas]

But the more good books you read the higher your expectations are, thus never being able to enjoy a mediocre comic with a popular medium.Mediocrity should be avoided at all cost, not celebrated and enjoyed.

[Brian M.]

I haven't read Ultimates 3 as of yet because I intend to wait for the trade, so i don't really know much about what's going on. However, I hear people bashing it left, right and center. I was wondering if someone could tell me in a somewhat concise manner what is so bad about it cuz I really liked the first two Ultimates books and i wonder what went so wrong this time.

At the end of Ultimates 2, you know the Ultimates ended their association w/ the government right? So the team moves into Tony's mansion and it's a different feel to reflect a different direction. Tony's depressed on Natasha and the sex tape, Cap is trying to get some kind of private life going, Hawkeye is crazy and really doesn't care if he lives or dies all b/c he wife and 3 kids got killed. The costumes are different, probably to disassociate any relation w/ SHIELD. Some dialogue is a little off character, but a lot has changed so maybe the characters changed a bit.

It's a different feel than Ultimates 1 and 2.

[Ultimate Interpol]

Mediocrity should be avoided at all cost, not celebrated and enjoyed.

I'm not saying to celebrate it, I'm saying it's unavoidable. To enjoy it is up to the reader but bashing it unstop is not going to make it better or get a different writer.

[DrEiS]

I cant say I am encahnted with it but they got me interested. I dig the art but, the dialouge does make me do a double take at timess. Only real complaint is how Cap is made to act like a Grampa. Either dont include other swearing as often or relax Cap a bit on the PC stuff. He is too bad ass to be potty mouth police. Other than that cant wiat for # 3.

[flapjaxx]

[/B]Yep, it has the Valkyrie/Venom cover which is reprint art from the interiors. It looks MUCH better and I wished that it came out this good when the first printing came out. I honestly think most of the coloring issues people had with the first book are gone with the reprint.

Yeah it happens all the time. I remember Loeb and Bianchi having similar problems with the colors not coming out right during printing in their Wolverine run.

Not that I'm happy about buying another copy of a comic I already have, but it may be interesting to compare the art from the two printings.

There's plenty of corny writing in the Ultimateverse. :p

Yeah, I second that.

No offense, but it's pretty interesting to see mega-fans of the first two Ultimates series care about what Ultimates 3 is going to "do to continuity". Isn't it kind of weird to care about the continuity of something that gave you like 8-minutes' worth of reading experience once every 3 months on average? I could understand the concerns if Millar and Hitch were still on the book, but they're gone. Ultimates 1 & 2 seem like one single, two-part novel that's now over with and done. I just think it's hard to care about the continuity of something that came out so sporadically and concluded so definitively.

I'm a huge fan of Astonishing X-Men, but if the new creative team "screws that up" in my opinion, it won't really mean anything to me. I've been in it for Whedon & Cassaday and what they're doing with those characters. If other creators do something else with those characters, even if they do it in a title that's still called "Astonishing X-Men", it wouldn't really affect me at all. Bad X-Men stories are written all the time. I guess it's different for Ultimates fans? But bad Avengers stories happen all the time too. (In fact I just read one of those today; the first 2/3 of it felt like a tedious break-up scene in some tv drama; and then it ended with a scene right out of Friends or Seinfeld, except it wasn't funny, where a bunch of people stand around b*tching about their new apartment... I thought, "So is this the best-selling superhero comic? Or is this just another tv show but told in the form of a comic book? Because I don't see the point of these characters being superheroes." :rolleyes: )

[Omega Alpha]

But the more good books you read the higher your expectations are, thus never being able to enjoy a mediocre comic with a popular medium.


But I DON'T WANT to enjoy something mediocre. Why would I like to be happy with the mediocrity?

[Superbeast]

I am glad this arc is only five issues. I know it's a long shot but I hope since Millar is busy with other projects but I wish they'd at least call him and see if he'd like a script consultant/sub editor roles on the fourth arc.

Also, re-reading the first issue of this arc, I think maybe Hawkeye pulled the trigger and iced Wanda before he went after Spider-Man.

I haven't read Ultimates 3 as of yet because I intend to wait for the trade, so i don't really know much about what's going on. However, I hear people bashing it left, right and center. I was wondering if someone could tell me in a somewhat concise manner what is so bad about it cuz I really liked the first two Ultimates books and i wonder what went so wrong this time.

Valkyrie went from a lame poser shagging Pym to being on the team with a Pegasus horse with the weaponry and strength to almost carve Venom in half. Cap went from defending Jan as his girlfriend to giving her the cold shoulder. Hawkeye claims the sound of bullets firing reminds him of his family being slaughtered but he pops off shots with reckless abandon. Thor now speaks like a Shakespearian hero rather than as he did in the first two volumrd because he doesn't care if he sounds crazy anymore, he is seeing Valkyrie and has seeming dumped his eco-warrior girlfriend for Pym's sloppy seconds. Somehow his awesome glowing axe/hammer hybrid has became the 616 style Mjolnir. Jan has went from a darkhaired Asian woman to a redhead Caucasian woman. PYm is out of his cell at SHIELD for betraying national security and commiting high treason, Jan has forgave him and now he's OD'd on pills over a microscope. Pietro is less an arrogant but caring guy willing to defend his friends and more just an arrogant dick willing to kill the same teammates he killed for in the last volume. Scarlet Witch's powers and costume as depicted in the previous series have been abandoned for her early nineties 616 outfit.

So basically, everything established in previous volumes has been eschewed for 616 aesthetics and the writing/characterisations and justification for the changes shown are weak to non existent at best.

Hope that summary helps.

[Smokeyjay]

Just think of this as an entirely new imagining of the Ultimates. We got Ultimates 1 and 2 with an end that tied everything together, so you can see it as a separate story.

What I don't understand is why would Pietro call his father. This is a guy who can go over like mach 10 easy. He could of grabbed Wandas body, made himself a sandwich, take a shower, and left the mansion without anyone noticing he was gone. But somehow he needs to call Magneto?

[Superbeast]

Just think of this as an entirely new imagining of the Ultimates. We got Ultimates 1 and 2 with an end that tied everything together, so you can see it as a separate story.

What I don't understand is why would Pietro call his father. This is a guy who can go over like mach 10 easy. He could of grabbed Wandas body, made himself a sandwich, take a shower, and left the mansion without anyone noticing he was gone. But somehow he needs to call Magneto?

If it was meant to not connect to the original volumes of the Ultimates series, it should have been set in another universe of the Marvel Multiverse. There is no need for retcons on a series so young. If they maintained continuity through Ultimate War, Ultimate Nightmare, Ultimate Secret,and Ultimate Extinction, why can't Loeb metaphorically colour within the lines like other writers before him?

The bigger question is, using your logic, why didn't Pietro grab Wanda and run to China with her rather than trying to catch the bullet?

[Blader5489]

I am glad this arc is only five issues. I know it's a long shot but I hope since Millar is busy with other projects but I wish they'd at least call him and see if he'd like a script consultant/sub editor roles on the fourth arc.

Also, re-reading the first issue of this arc, I think maybe Hawkeye pulled the trigger and iced Wanda before he went after Spider-Man.



Valkyrie went from a lame poser shagging Pym to being on the team with a Pegasus horse with the weaponry and strength to almost carve Venom in half. Cap went from defending Jan as his girlfriend to giving her the cold shoulder. Hawkeye claims the sound of bullets firing reminds him of his family being slaughtered but he pops off shots with reckless abandon. Thor now speaks like a Shakespearian hero rather than as he did in the first two volumrd because he doesn't care if he sounds crazy anymore, he is seeing Valkyrie and has seeming dumped his eco-warrior girlfriend for Pym's sloppy seconds. Somehow his awesome glowing axe/hammer hybrid has became the 616 style Mjolnir. Jan has went from a darkhaired Asian woman to a redhead Caucasian woman. PYm is out of his cell at SHIELD for betraying national security and commiting high treason, Jan has forgave him and now he's OD'd on pills over a microscope. Pietro is less an arrogant but caring guy willing to defend his friends and more just an arrogant dick willing to kill the same teammates he killed for in the last volume. Scarlet Witch's powers and costume as depicted in the previous series have been abandoned for her early nineties 616 outfit.

So basically, everything established in previous volumes has been eschewed for 616 aesthetics and the writing/characterisations and justification for the changes shown are weak to non existent at best.

Hope that summary helps.

I'm saving this post because it's a perfect summary of (mostly) everything that is wrong with Ultimates 3. Bravo. :D

[Ultimate Interpol]

But I DON'T WANT to enjoy something mediocre. Why would I like to be happy with the mediocrity?

You could not read the book and follow Millar/Hitch to Fantastic Four, and petition Ultimates 3 by never reading it.

What I don't understand is why would Pietro call his father. This is a guy who can go over like mach 10 easy. He could of grabbed Wandas body, made himself a sandwich, take a shower, and left the mansion without anyone noticing he was gone. But somehow he needs to call Magneto?

Magneto obviously has telepaths that could relay the message to him.:D

why can't Loeb metaphorically colour within the lines like other writers before him?
The bigger question is, using your logic, why didn't Pietro grab Wanda and run to China with her rather than trying to catch the bullet?

LOL this is a hilarious comment because if you had read Ultimates 2 #12 grabbing wanda at that speed would easily break every bone in her body.:D

[Will.S]

Not that I'm happy about buying another copy of a comic I already have, but it may be interesting to compare the art from the two printings.
You could always wait for the trade or hardcover too.

The difference is definitely noticeable since you can see Joe's line work much more clearly.

[Ultimate Interpol]

Sorry I had a burning desire to pick apart this post...

I am glad this arc is only five issues. I know it's a long shot but I hope since Millar is busy with other projects but I wish they'd at least call him and see if he'd like a script consultant/sub editor roles on the fourth arc.

I heard thats exactly what he had done, Millar and Loeb had a giant discussion about it (but i don't think Millar had any say on costumes)...

Valkyrie went from a lame poser shagging Pym to being on the team with a Pegasus horse with the weaponry and strength to almost carve Venom in half.

Your point is? I'm glad they got another female in the team just Jan is boring.

Cap went from defending Jan as his girlfriend to giving her the cold shoulder.

Um, I'm sure Jan probably left him and probably went to Hank herself. With how unstable cap and wasp relationship was cap probably felt betrayed.

Hawkeye claims the sound of bullets firing reminds him of his family being slaughtered but he pops off shots with reckless abandon.

I thought he was trying to be strategic when fighting spidey?

Thor now speaks like a Shakespearian hero rather than as he did in the first two volumrd because he doesn't care if he sounds crazy anymore, he is seeing Valkyrie and has seeming dumped his eco-warrior girlfriend for Pym's sloppy seconds.

Loeb explained but it was a bad choice....:D

Somehow his awesome glowing axe/hammer hybrid has became the 616 style Mjolnir.

Another bad choice but at least Magneto won't shove the hammer back in his face like in Ultimate War.

Jan has went from a darkhaired Asian woman to a redhead Caucasian woman.

Um didn't notice. She looks asian here... http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/200804-advance/ULTMTSV3005_cov.jpg

PYm is out of his cell at SHIELD for betraying national security and commiting high treason, Jan has forgave him and now he's OD'd on pills over a microscope.

In the new preview Ultimate 3 #3 on the what happen previously page it states that Hank Pym was under house arrest. Maybe Tony bailed him out and saw how useful his ultron bots would be replacing Jarvis.

Pietro is less an arrogant but caring guy willing to defend his friends and more just an arrogant dick willing to kill the same teammates he killed for in the last volume.

HE LOVED HIS SISTER so he could be taking wandas death a little hard. Hawkeye almost pointed his gun at every allie he has. So i don't see the difference.:confused:

Scarlet Witch's powers and costume as depicted in the previous series have been abandoned for her early nineties 616 outfit.

Aren't those the same garments she wore in Ultimate X-Men? In the government she probably had to wear them.


btw has anyone read Wanted by Millar? The Killer is pretty much Hawkeye...

[Superbeast]

Sorry I had a burning desire to pick apart this post...

I heard thats exactly what he had done, Millar and Loeb had a giant discussion about it (but i don't think Millar had any say on costumes)...

Your point is? I'm glad they got another female in the team just Jan is boring.

Um, I'm sure Jan probably left him and probably went to Hank herself. With how unstable cap and wasp relationship was cap probably felt betrayed.

I thought he was trying to be strategic when fighting spidey?

Loeb explained but it was a bad choice....:D

Another bad choice but at least Magneto won't shove the hammer back in his face like in Ultimate War.

Um didn't notice. She looks asian here... http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/200804-advance/ULTMTSV3005_cov.jpg

In the new preview Ultimate 3 #3 on the what happen previously page it states that Hank Pym was under house arrest. Maybe Tony bailed him out and saw how useful his ultron bots would be replacing Jarvis.

HE LOVED HIS SISTER so he could be taking wandas death a little hard. Hawkeye almost pointed his gun at every allie he has. So i don't see the difference.:confused:

Aren't those the same garments she wore in Ultimate X-Men? In the government she probably had to wear them.

btw has anyone read Wanted by Millar? The Killer is pretty much Hawkeye...

My point with Valkyrie is she went from a cowardly failing martial artist who ran away from a group of thugs who'd tossed her teammate out a window and were about to flambe him on the hood of a car into someone willing to go one on one with Venom and she is now strong enough to damn near cut him in half. She also was clearly more attracted to Cap since she asked Pym to dress up as Cap, but now she's smooching with Thor. Unless this is another woman as Valkyrie that's a lot of unexplained changes in terms of her bravery, strength and preferred bed partner. Where the flying horse came, nobody knows.

In the last Ultimates arc during the invasion Cap has a splash page saying "Get your hands off my girlfriend!". This was after their argument about Jan seeing Hank where Cap jumped off the balcony and ran to Bucky's house. I took that to mean Cap still cared and wanted Jan as his girlfriend. Now he's more worried about people swearing in front of her than he is treating her decently himself.

Hawkeye using guns at all when they remind him of his family being killed is just stupid and illogical. "I know, I'll use the exact weapons I can't stand to hear the sound of every day, that won't depress me at all! After all, I was an olympic level marksman too, not just an olympic level archer! Why use my bow which doesn't remind me of my family being slaughtered when I can unload an uzi and make myself have flashbacks on the hour, every hour!" It doesn't make any sense.

Loeb's explanation, again, doesn't make sense. "I don't care if people think I'm crazy anymore so I'm going to start speaking like a Victorian era bard!" Why not like a cockney chimney sweep or a North England coal miner? How about a Latin monk or Roman Emperor? After all, if he doesn't care if he sounds crazy, why not go farther afield and speak like African tribesmen using clicks and tongue clucking? It's changing things for the sake of changing them with a weak explanation that doesn't make any sense.

The 616 hammer is still metal. I believe it's Uru metal. So Magneto could still throw it back at him if they are making it like the 616 Mjolnir.

Jan in that art you linked too looks quite different to how she's appeared in the first two issues of this arc. Although why she is now blonde there, why Cap's eyebrows stick out from under his mask and why Tony doesn't have bullet proof glass over his eyeholes are other quandaries.

If someone commits high treason, compromises national security, provides the attacking forces with technology and information so they can subdue and kill innocent Americans, fights for their side until the tide turns and gets tossed in a SHIELD detainment cell, house arrest shouldn't even be an option. You don't hear of detainees at Guantanamo Bay suddenly getting released to be put under house arrest instead. Stark's a smart guy, he could have picked up any damaged robot off the street after the invasion and figured out the technology. SHIELD would have seized Hank's property and since Stark provides them with their technology, if they wanted any more of them they'd have had to turn one over to Stark anyway. If the CIA seizes explosive materials from the premises of suspected terrorists, they don't ask the terrorists to build the bomb so they can see how it works, they call in experts in the field. Having Hank released on house arrest given his crimes makes no sense.

As for Pietro being a dick, I meant him threatening Cap for simply putting his hand on Wanda's arm when he killed Hurricane for hurting Hawkeye in the last arc. That's some serious possessive behaviour and bi-polar disorder.

Also, let's keep in mind Wanda can alter probability and I wasn't being entirely literal about running her to China. He still could have scooped her up and outran the bullet while she used her powers to increase the probability of the bullet exploding. Let's not get into the fact Pietro didn't even seem to feel or notice when the bullet left a gaping hole in his hand before the bullet then hit Wanda. Why not try swat it out the air so it hits the ground and goes off instead of trying to catch it?

[RodeoWearden]

I think a lot of people are taking the hawkeye part about the guns a bit more seriously than it was meant to. Remember this?

"Or maybe its just an act to confuse you."

I seriously doubt that hearing a gunshot brings hawkeye back to when his family was killed. If something like that happens, it stays with you, but you can work through it.

Everyone is crediting Loeb as being an idiot because "hawkeye can't stand the sound of gunshots and yet uses guns! What an idiot Loeb is!" When really...seriously? Did you read it at all?

Hawkeye has gone a little nuts, and was just blabbing to spiderman to keep him distracted. Thats all it was. Thats all it was ever meant to be.

So. Does that clear that matter up? So we dont ever have to have this discussion again, right?

[Luck911]

I read a couple ultimates 3 thread.I final decide to post something.It is simple as this Ultimates 1 & 2 where more realistic modern view on comic,ultimates 3 has some of the same elements but it Joe Mad drawing which gives a more super hero /normal comic book feel.People who love 1,2 will have a build in hate for 3.If you are looking at like a ultimates book you can say it is sucking but most fans are great super hero book drawn by the one of the best comic book artist ever.

I feel sorry fans who like the books 1&2 because this is not book they grew to love but numbers don't lie people are enjoying this book.If you don't like it don't buy it.You had two issues to see is not going in direction you like do yourself a favor stop buying and reading it.

I am enjoying this for what is great fun superhero story.It may be failing as the successor to ultimates 1 & 2 but the sheer amazingness of Joe Mad art combined with ultimates great characters make good book.

[g-dawg]

I think a lot of people are taking the hawkeye part about the guns a bit more seriously than it was meant to. Remember this?

"Or maybe its just an act to confuse you."

I seriously doubt that hearing a gunshot brings hawkeye back to when his family was killed. If something like that happens, it stays with you, but you can work through it.

Everyone is crediting Loeb as being an idiot because "hawkeye can't stand the sound of gunshots and yet uses guns! What an idiot Loeb is!" When really...seriously? Did you read it at all?

Hawkeye has gone a little nuts, and was just blabbing to spiderman to keep him distracted. Thats all it was. Thats all it was ever meant to be.

So. Does that clear that matter up? So we dont ever have to have this discussion again, right?

Rationalization. Just like almost all of this thread, but with a comment used to anchor the argument. :) Good job!

But you can't deny that saying a comment like that, in the middle of a hail of gunfire of your making, makes you look silly and a bit daft. And that's daft in a bad way. Why would you even think of saying you can't stand the sound of bullets when you're busy clicking hand cannons all over the place?

Oh wait, that DOES confuse me...which means...Loeb's writing is logical and it works!

But Mad's work is cool...nothing like Hitch's. Still love Hitch's though. DIfferent strokes I guess. And I cannot, just cannot BELIEVE that Ultimates is coming out on time. Is this really Madureira drawing? I don't care if he had 1 year to do advance work on this book...it STILL came out on time! You broke the laws of Joe Mad physics, Joe!! I could just imagine the torture Mad went through following a schedule and have editors constantly remind him and prod him to finish on time.

[Superbeast]

I think a lot of people are taking the hawkeye part about the guns a bit more seriously than it was meant to. Remember this?

"Or maybe its just an act to confuse you."

I seriously doubt that hearing a gunshot brings hawkeye back to when his family was killed. If something like that happens, it stays with you, but you can work through it.

Everyone is crediting Loeb as being an idiot because "hawkeye can't stand the sound of gunshots and yet uses guns! What an idiot Loeb is!" When really...seriously? Did you read it at all?

Hawkeye has gone a little nuts, and was just blabbing to spiderman to keep him distracted. Thats all it was. Thats all it was ever meant to be.

So. Does that clear that matter up? So we dont ever have to have this discussion again, right?

He seemed to be holding it together immediately after his family were killed, he was kidnapped, tortured, hand to tear his own fingernails out to kill his guards and then gunned down everyone else in the building he was being held in. Now he's suddenly got a death wish when before he fought against dozens of goons to break free and avenge his family?

Besides, you'd think after Banner, Pym and Widow they'd get some therapy for anyone that seems unstable or a liability. Besides, why is he using guns anyway when he hardly used them in the previous volumes? He took out a whole office with just arrows when Wanda, Pietro and Widow went on that mission. If he's going around pointing guns in his teammate's face, you'd think they might give him some time off, maybe a holiday, at least ask him to switch to decaf and change his rounds to rubber bullets...

I really get the feeling Mad wants to be drawing the late 90s Avengers rather than the Ultimates so he's crowbarred in as much cool stuff from that era as he can with a touch of Battle Chasers here and there. Ultimate Iron Man now looks like 98-99 era Iron Man. Wasp's costume looks like it's from the same era. Black Knight's horse is now Valkyrie's ride. I know Madureira left the company around that time but it's a different universe and 10 years have passed, why not accept the changes?

[Green05]

Personally I wish this team had gone regular Marvel universe, out of Millar's cheap gimmick civil war continuity, or for Jeph Loeb to work in his own separate Marvel universe detach from way to much ridiculous continuity like Ultimate of Civil War nonsense; and maybe call his title Absolute Avengers or something. I hate it when a new creative team comes in and takes over other people's cheap gimmickry, rather then start fresh, not having to climb out of someone else ultimate trash can. Jeph should have insisted on working and developping his own universe

Now could someone please put some side-wings on Captain America's mask; I don't care if it's painted on, stappled on, or just patched on, but for God's sake, please put something
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/picture00000007/Untitled.jpg


The wing looks awesome!:D Do you have anymore Ultimates variations?:cool:

[Charles01]

The wing looks awesome!:D Do you have anymore Ultimates variations?
No, this is it, but amazing how just a few straight lines can fill up a gap; those side-wings don't even need to be curvy feathery rabbit ears sticking out, but just straight patches on each side at the same angle as the top of the head; Captain America just looks better with side-wings in my view. The recent Bendis Secret War had some interesting side-wings on the alternative Captain America design as well

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/picture00000007/Cap_wings.jpg The "A" is mine

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/picture00000007/Untitled.jpg

But if I had to change something else about ultimate designs,

- I would put a variation of Thor's helmet on his head, along with a more Viking look like in Thor Son Of Asgard,

- and remove the target on Haweye's forehead, but leave the red goggles

- and bring out of an other department of Shield, one of Nick Fury's white cousin, also named Nicholas (Nick) Fury :--)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/picture00000007/Cap_what_if.jpg

Wouldn't mind seeing more of stuff like this set in the past, except UnWhatifed..., and more Marvel universe historical fact, possibly a long lost ancestor of Steve Rogers with genuine American Indian blood

[Xplicit Content]

Thanks to Marvel Subscriptions, I got my issue in the mail today...but I guess I can't post spoilers until the release day. So outside of giving spoilers, I'll just say it was my favorite issue of the 3...and there was some interesting Black Panther implications that pretty much (for me) confirm a theory that's been floating around.

[dreyga2000]

Thanks to Marvel Subscriptions, I got my issue in the mail today...but I guess I can't post spoilers until the release day. So outside of giving spoilers, I'll just say it was my favorite issue of the 3...and there was some interesting Black Panther implications that pretty much (for me) confirm a theory that's been floating around.

You could spolier tags on it or start a spolier thread. It'd be much appreciated :D

[MrPunch0]

Ultimates 3 is a wonderful read if you're a fan of things like MST3K.

It's so bad, it's good!

[Mr.EZ]

If you're enjoying this, stop huffing what ever's in the ziplock bag and go back to high school.

:applauds:

I couldn't agree with you more. Marvel is going down the toilet lately pandering to the lowest common denominator and I'm just about done with them as a company.

[Blader5489]

:applauds:

I couldn't agree with you more. Marvel is going down the toilet lately pandering to the lowest common denominator and I'm just about done with them as a company.

That's a pretty broad, and false, generalization.

[bbmakdaddycomics]

I read a couple ultimates 3 thread.I final decide to post something.It is simple as this Ultimates 1 & 2 where more realistic modern view on comic,ultimates 3 has some of the same elements but it Joe Mad drawing which gives a more super hero /normal comic book feel.People who love 1,2 will have a build in hate for 3.If you are looking at like a ultimates book you can say it is sucking but most fans are great super hero book drawn by the one of the best comic book artist ever.

I feel sorry fans who like the books 1&2 because this is not book they grew to love but numbers don't lie people are enjoying this book.If you don't like it don't buy it.You had two issues to see is not going in direction you like do yourself a favor stop buying and reading it.

I am enjoying this for what is great fun superhero story.It may be failing as the successor to ultimates 1 & 2 but the sheer amazingness of Joe Mad art combined with ultimates great characters make good book.

i agree i have never been excited over an Avengers book into now, EVER although i liked Ultimates 1 & 2 they didnt have me as excited as i was when i read 3

[dreyga2000]

If you're enjoying this, stop huffing what ever's in the ziplock bag and go back to high school.

Whether not you attended it, you do realize how ignorant condeceding this comment comes across. Not only are you taking a baseless shot at people for liking a comic, you're insulting people for being in highschool? :confused: Please clarify....

I'm all for critizing things you don't like but I don't really see a need to insult people for having different tastes from you. That really just seems tasteless.

For the record I liking better with out side wings, I don't why just does it for me. On sidenote did Wasp decide to abadon her mask...I hope so. Where the hell did Tony dissapear to?

[Splatt]

I haven't been following this or other threads about Ultimates 3 so can someone/somebody explain to me how the hell is Black Widow alive!?

[carabas]

She's not, except via Mystique-O-Vision and on Starks home movies.

[Mothmonsterman]

Now thats how you write ultimate Logan

You mean having him recite dense blocks of the baldest exposition imaginable?

I can't tell if I'm more disgusted by the preview or by all the people lining up to praise it and ensure that Marvel will think it's alright to keep producing garbage like this.

[Mothmonsterman]

This thread has over 2,100 views, so somebody must like Ultimates vol.3.;)

And Marvel has announced due to sell outs by Diamond and retailers, Issue #2 is going to reprints with a variant cover. This is the hottest series on the market folks, like it or not. :cool:

The Paris Hilton Defense.

[Joe Franklin]

I can't tell if I'm more disgusted by the preview or by all the people lining up to praise it and ensure that Marvel will think it's alright to keep producing garbage like this.

The only way Marvel will see it as garbage is if it does not sell. And both Loeb and Madureira have too many fans for this to not be #1 month in and month out just like the 1st 2 issues have been. The team of Loeb and Madureira have the #1 SELLING COMIC BOOK FOR 2 MONTHS STRAIT, and it will be #1 for the final 3 issues as well.:cool:

[Mothmonsterman]

The only way Marvel will see it as garbage is if it does not sell.

Yeah, and the sales numbers make me sick, too.

And both Loeb and Madureira have too many fans for this to not be #1 month in and month out just like the 1st 2 issues have been. The team of Loeb and Madureira have the #1 SELLING COMIC BOOK FOR 2 MONTHS STRAIT, and it will be #1 for the final 3 issues as well.:cool:

You're probably not too eager to get into an intellectually honest discussion about quality without hiding behind the sales figures, huh?

[rwsmith]

You should get out more. It's only a comic book, man.

[Mothmonsterman]

You should get out more. It's only a comic book, man.

For Jeph Loeb, it's also a job.

And he should be fired for incompetence.

[Ultimate Interpol]

For Jeph Loeb, it's also a job.

And he should be fired for incompetence.

What did he do wrong? He wrote a comic book and it sold out and made number one on the sales charts, for marvel it was a good business move. I'm not 'hiding behind the sales charts' but despite what you say this series will finish and will probably rank number one again on TPB.
Also if they fired everyone for incompetence there would be no writers.

Why don't you write your own Ultimates 3 so we can fire you.

[Mothmonsterman]

I'm not 'hiding behind the sales charts'

Of course you are.

It's nigh-impossible to defend the literary quality of Loeb's work here, so you opt to brandish the sales figures as a measure of quality.

It isn't the great business plan you think it is, either. At the end of Ultimates II, there was a fanbase for the book based on people who were invested in the characters. At the end of Ultimates III, that fanbase will be gone, replaced by one that "just likes the art." Having a fanbase that is invested in the characters is a better long-term plan than having one simply in the game for pretty pictures. When Millar and Hitch left, the characters remained. When Loeb and Mad leave, nothing will remain.

Why don't you write your own Ultimates 3 so we can fire you.

Not a problem, sport.

A random sampling:

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/5370/002wl3.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5084/017zg6.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8909/09dl1.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7891/10ra7.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2351/11uu1.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1702/20bs8.jpg

[ThePhenom]

What did he do wrong? He wrote a comic book and it sold out and made number one on the sales charts, for marvel it was a good business move. I'm not 'hiding behind the sales charts' but despite what you say this series will finish and will probably rank number one again on TPB.

Why do all people instantly assume sales equates quality, sales also does not equate satisfaction... I own the two issues so far and think they're worth about the same as coloured toilet paper.

Also if they fired everyone for incompetence there would be no writers.

No support on this comment? What does this mean? I'm not going to claim that Loeb is universally bad, he can write something that can be entertaining but a lot of this incompetence I think people are referring to is his incapability to stick to what was established and keep even the slightest essence of what made the Ultimates great.

He's fortunate to have gotten his name, Mad's name and an already established critically-acclaimed series altogether and that's a huge reason to shoot it to the top but did he have to be so self-indulgent and ignore everything Millar did. Otherwise he's just naive enough to believe that what he's doing really is a natural progression of where the series was going...

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/5370/002wl3.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5084/017zg6.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8909/09dl1.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7891/10ra7.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2351/11uu1.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1702/20bs8.jpg

Gotta say, I'd take this over what we've gotten so far, despite being satirical it's still ever so slightly more subtle than what they've actually seen... ;)

[Mystique25]

You should get out more. It's only a comic book, man.

I agree, the book is selling very well, and the quality may not be there, but it's not like they are going to stop it now, and find a new writer and say oh forget those first three issues. They sold well, but they weren't high quality. Stuff like this happens, that's why theres so many different series published a month. You read what you want, and don't read what you don't want to. I personally find the series to be a let down compared to the past Ultimates, but it's still a somewhat interesting ride so far.

[Ultimate Interpol]

Not a problem, sport.

A random sampling:

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/5370/002wl3.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5084/017zg6.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8909/09dl1.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7891/10ra7.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2351/11uu1.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1702/20bs8.jpg

Did not read this, a waste of time... Sport?

No support on this comment? What does this mean? I'm not going to claim that Loeb is universally bad, he can write something that can be entertaining but a lot of this incompetence I think people are referring to is his incapability to stick to what was established and keep even the slightest essence of what made the Ultimates great.

Read the quote from my signatue...
Also you should listen to rwsmith.:D

[Mothmonsterman]

Sport?


It's a term of condescension, because I don't respect your opinion.

[ultimate hulk]

loeb sucks! the guy is better off writing the avengers!
the book doesn't have any development to the action,what a freaking waste.
miller did an awesome job on the ultimates,marvel brought loeb along a tore it all apart just for the money.
marvel doesn't give a sh#t about the people who admire and love the miller run.
there's no way i'm reading ultimates 4 with loeb at the helm.:D

p.s. beautiful art! but still too cartoony for the ultimates.

[Mothmonsterman]

Even he art leaves much to be desired if you expect more from a visual storyteller than a series of loosely connected pinups.

[ultimate hulk]

i didn't read any of ultimates three,just saw previews.
i don't plan on reading it at all,but i'm sure u r one hundred percent correct on the art.:D

[Jake V]

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/5370/002wl3.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5084/017zg6.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8909/09dl1.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7891/10ra7.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2351/11uu1.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1702/20bs8.jpg

Man. I'd actually buy that.

As it stands, I've only read The Ultimates 3 #1.

I'm more disappointed that Loeb went the direction he did. I still have my original issues though, and I still have both Millar/Hitch hardcovers. I'll enjoy those while skipping the current book.

[carabas]

Read the quote from my signatue...

"If you're one of those real frightening anal sticklers for Marvel continuity? And you get genuinely angry about people playing fast and loose with Marvel comics canon? Please don't pick it up. You'll have a heart attack, and I don't need that on my conscience, despite the wonders it'd do for my reputation." The difference is, of course, that Nextwave was
-very well written and genuinely funny.
-not set into any sort of continuity
-most importantly, NOT the highly awaited sequel to one of Marvel's most universally well received works in decades, and one of their best books ever.

[carabas]

What did he do wrong? He wrote a comic book and it sold out and made number one on the sales charts, for marvel it was a good business move.I can't help ut think that Marvel is actually a bit disappointed with the numbers, since Ultimates 3.1 sold significantly less than Ultimates 2.1.

http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/01/30/marvel-month-to-month-sales-december-2007/
1. ULTIMATES
12/02 Ultimates #9 - 101,811
12/03 Ultimates #12 - 104,572
12/04 Ultimates 2 #1 - 146,271
12/05 Ultimates 2 #9 - 94,493
=====
12/06 —
01/07 —
02/07 —
03/07 —
04/07 —
05/07 Ultimates 2 #13 - 105,745 ( +6.2%)
06/07 —
07/07 —
08/07 —
09/07 —
10/07 —
11/07 —
12/07 Ultimates 3 #1 of 5 - 131,401 (+24.3%)
6 mnth ( — )
1 year ( — )
2 year (+39.1%)
3 year (-10.2%)
4 year (-25.7%)

They're already pulling emergency moves to bolster ratings like reprints with alternate covers for #2.

[ThePhenom]

Read the quote from my signatue...
Also you should listen to rwsmith.:D

Someone covered the first comment pretty well...

Firstly, about getting out more - people assume everyone but them are fat nerds on this forum, dumb assumption :rolleyes:.

Secondly, I happen to have passion about what I read because I want to be a writer, it makes perfect sense for me to have a problem with this.

[Superbeast]

A random sampling:

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/5370/002wl3.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5084/017zg6.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8909/09dl1.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7891/10ra7.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2351/11uu1.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1702/20bs8.jpg

Roflwaffles. That's HILARIOUS. The stick figures and viagra bottle... genius.

Ah... Liefeld thigh belt.. I am literally in tears from laughing so much. Thanks for those.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

"(Note to self: She's still warm.)"

Hoo, man...that was a good one...

Nice work. :D

[Mothmonsterman]

I'm actually ashamed of that "note to self" bit. It's such a tired cliche.

But then the whole thing is satire, so maybe I did it on purpose. That's the ticket.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I'm actually ashamed of that "note to self" bit. It's such a tired cliche.

But then the whole thing is satire, so maybe I did it on purpose. That's the ticket.

Regardless, that whole thing was great.