New X-men from the Beginning

[Kid Icarus]

Taking a page out of David R's book of tricks, and in lieu of the apparent cancellation of New X-men, I think it would be both fun and educational for us to reacquaint ourselves with the next generation of x-men.

Same rules apply here. Reading one issue a day, and posting a review here. Trying to read them like a new reader would, discovering each issue for the first time. Everyone at CBR is welcomed and encouraged to join in. I know this may be too ambitious to complete, but I want to give it a try!

The only rule I'd like to have is no mention be made of later events. As though those events haven't happened yet. Each review mentions the issue and ones published before it, and that is it.

New X-Men From the Beginning!!




NEW MUTANTS VOL. 2 #1(cover (http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/19000/18351/18351-107614-1-new-mutants_400.jpg))
"The Wind knows my Name"
Written by: Nunzio DeFilippis & Christina Weir
Pencils by: Keron Grant
Edited by: C.B. Cebulski


We start out in Caracas, Venezuela. A riot has broken out and continues until the police arrive on horses shooting away at the citizens. I appears that only one life was lost in the conflict, that of Miranda Mantega the mother of a young mutant.

Not far away, her daughter is seen using her mutant ability of wind control to make her young cousin’s kite fly. Leaning on a near by fence, her Uncle Paolo and his friend watches them play. A man brings the news of Miranda's death to them. The wind carries their words to Sofia who wonders to herself where her new life will lead her.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/nm1_1.jpg

At the funeral for her mother, Sofia hears the words of everyone around her. Paolo doesn't have the patience to raise a mutant and already has three kids of his own to feed. They have contacted her father in America. If he hadn't known he had a daughter, he did now.

A plane arrives in Denver, Colorado. Sofia is greeted by Derek, her father's assistant and then gets into a limo. Here, she finally meets her father who tells her to shush until he finishes his game of solitaire. He eventually tells her that she is to behave, learn English, and above all never use her powers again.

Cut to January, Sofia attends a prep school full of not so nice peers. She is quickly isolated after asking for help to a class room and then immediately made fun of for her lack of English skillz.

May of the same year. It is Sofia's birthday today (which i never realized was in May) and Derek gave her a new charm for her bracelet. He offers to take her to a movie, but she declines stating that her father would not deal with any such shenanigans. She asks her pops if he would like to eat diner with her, to which he replies why? She tells him its her birthday, and he tells Derek to buy her a present.

Back at school, Sofia uses her eavesdropping powers to try to make birthday plans with strangers. When she finds some kids who have no plans, she invites them to party but is quickly shut down. She continues to walk across the lawn and after looking around to make sure she was alone, she uses her wind powers to propel herself (not very gracefully) over the wall surrounding the school and runs away.

Next. we see Barret's superimart (not quite sure what the i is for). It is the on of the stores in her father's chain. Sofia seems a little ticked off now. She walks to the middle of the store and waits for the customers to leave, looks directly into the camera, and let's out her powers in a WIND BLAST whoohing the store into oblivion

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/nm1_2.jpg

Some cops come in and arrest her taking her away.

A woman sees this on the news and quickly gets into her jeep speeding away from her mountain cabin.

In jail, Sofia's awesome dad tells her that he hopes she has an awesome time in prison. She says she only wanted him to notice her for once. He will drop all charges in 48 hours but will not post bail. Derek tries to convince him otherwise, but Sofia is to be sent back to South America. There is no place for her here.

SPLASH PAGE
It's Danielle Moonstar, and boy, does she know a place!

She tells him of Mutants School for Higher Learning (formerly the School for Gifted youngsters). He refuses to send his daughter there for the bad publicity he will receive. She tells him that if he tries the alternative, then he will see a whole new kind of bad publicity. burn. What are your powers, he asks.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/nm1_3.jpg

Dani meets Sofia and tells her the wonders of Xavier's. They will help her use her powers and she will be accepted for who she is. Dani tells her that it seems like there is not much holding her there. Sofia says there is one thing.
She tells Derek she is leaving and gives him a hug. They walk out together leaving Sofia's past life behind them and entering a new chapter in the life of the X-men.

end



Appearnces By

Moonstar
Wind Dancer

[Kid Icarus]

Previous Issues:
Issue 1 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6328376&postcount=1)

NEW MUTANTS VOL. 2 #2 (cover (http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/19000/18351/18351-107647-1-new-mutants_400.jpg))
Choosing Sides: 1 of 6
"Here is the House"
Written by: Nunzio DeFilippis & Christina Weir
Pencils by: Keron Grant



We're introduced to Laurie Collins. She's a cute, shy girl that seems to keep to herself and hide inside a shell because whatever emotion she feels, others will feel them, too, through her pheromones.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5518/freejpgtn7.jpg

Romantic!

Even when she moves to Xavier's, she still keeps to herself and is an outcast among outcasts.

Sofia Mantega and Danielle Moonstar arrive to Xavier's (ED: see last issue), where we get all the mandatory introductions to Professor Xavier, the school, and all its wonders.

The tour leads them to a game of Jenga where Sofia meets Julian Keller and the adults let the dark haired cutie continue the tour. But oh no! Julian's late for Northstar's flight class! Sofia watches as a guest while everyone has a quiz on lift offs. She uh...sucks.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7272/flybetchgn4.jpg

Sofia starts to get to know Julian's friends and more mandatory "what can you do" kind of stuff. It was the decompression age: we drank, we made love, we waited patiently for things to move along.



While in the cafeteria, Laurie catches the eye of Moonstar and learns about her story. Perfecto! Laurie can finally get a roommate and bunk with Sofia since Sofia's control over the wind shields her from Laurie's emotion altering abilities!


http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4061/attractivejpgxg1.jpg


Appearances By:
Moonstar
Professor X
Northstar
Mercury
Hellion
Anole
Wallflower
Wind Dancer


Review

I never realized how slow this issue was. It really reads a lot like a Miyazaki film where you can imagine scenes with akward silences and no soundtrack in the background while someone sighs. I don't know if its the anime inspiration of the now-defunct Tsunami line, the decompression 6-issue arc age, or a mixture of both, but it was a slow issue.

Love Sofia more and more, but the pacing could use a pat on the butt.

Art is still creepy and bland as last issue's, but some interesting new faces gives you something colorful and flashy to look at for a little while.


courtesy of Le Fea

[worstblogever]

Issue #2 gets points for "topless Dani Moonstar" cover, teasing lesbian love that eclipses their powers.

And JENGA!

[w00tmaster93]

Issue #2 gets points for "topless Dani Moonstar" cover, teasing lesbian love that eclipses their powers.

And JENGA!

that book had some strange covers, i'm not sure how i feel about them.

[david r]

I liked these early covers a lot. In fact, I thought they were gorgeous.

Kid Icarus, what a great idea. I've not read this series yet, so I will be reading your summaries to see what it was like. I heard a lot of good things about it. :)

[david r]

New Mutants #1

"The Wind knows my Name"

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/19000/18351/18351-107614-1-new-mutants_400.jpg


1st Appearance: Wind Dancer

We start out in Caracas, Venezuela. A riot has broken out and continues until the police arrive on horses shooting away at the citizens. I appears that only one life was lost in the conflict, that of Miranda Mantega the mother of a young mutant.

Not far away, her daughter is seen using her mutant ability of wind control to make her young cousins kite fly. Leaning on a near by fence, her Uncle Paolo and his friend watches them play. A man brings the news of Miranda's death to them. The wind carries their words to Sofia who wonders to herself where her new life will lead her.

At the funeral for her mother, Sofia hears the words of everyone around her. Paolo doesn't hae the patience to raise a mutant and already has three kids of his own to feed. They have contacted her father in America. If he hadn't known he had a daughter, he did now.

A plane arrives in Denver, Colorado. Sofia is greeted by Derek, her father's assistant and then gets into a limo. Here, she finally meets her father who tells her to shush until he finishes his game of solitaire. He eventually tells her that she is to behave, learn English, and above all never use her powers again.

Cut to Janurary, Sofia attends a prep school full of not so nice peers. She is quickly isolated after asking for help to a class room and then immediately made fun of for her lack of English skillz.

May of the same year. It is Sofia's birthday today (which i never realized was in May) and Derek gave her a new charm for her bracelet. He offers to take her to a movie, but she declines stating that her father would not deal with any such shenanigans. She asks her pops if he would like to eat diner with her, to which he replies why? She tells him its her birthday, and he tells Derek to buy her a present.

Back at school, Sofia uses her eavesdropping powers to try to make birthday plans with strangers. When she finds some kids who have no plans, she invites them to party but is quickly shut down. She continues to walk across the lawn and after looking around to make sure she was alone, she uses her wind powers to propel herself (not very gracefully) over the wall surrounding the school and runs away.

Next. we see Barret's superimart (not quite sure what the i is for). It is the on of the stores in her father's chain. Sofia seems a little ticked off now. She walks to the middle of the store and waits for the customers to leave, looks directly into the camera, and let's out her powers in a WIND BLAST whoohing the store into oblivion. Some cops come in and arrest her taking her away.

A woman sees this on the news and quickly gets into her jeep speeding away from her mountain cabin.

IN Jail, Sofia's awesome dad tells her that he hopes she has an awesome time in prison. She says she only wanted him to notice her for once. He will drop all charges in 48 hours but will not post bail. Derek tries to convince him otherwise, but Sofia is to be sent back to South America. There is no place for her here.

SPLASH PAGE
It's Danielle Moonstar, and boy, does she know a place!

She tell him of Mutants School for Higher Learning (formerly the School for Gifted youngsters). He refuses to send his daughter there for the bad publicity he will receive. She tells him that if he tries the alternative, then he will see a whole new kind of bad publicity. burn. What is your powers. he asks.

"I scare people"

Dani meets Sofia and tells her the wonders of Xavier's. They will help her use her powers and she will be accepted for who she is. Dani tells her that it seems like there is not much holding her there. Sofia says there is one thing.
She tells Derek she is leaving and gives him a hug. They walk out together leaving Sofia's past life behind them and entering a new chapter in the life of the X-men.


Again, a gorgeously stunning cover. Sofia's life sounds tragic. Her father sounds like a jerk, and of course, she is made fun of in her school. Because she is different. (If they only knew how DIFFERENT Sofia really is, eh?)

What exactly are all of Sofia's powers?

Danielle Moonstar is probably the best thing that could have happened for Sofia. Getting away from her father sounds like the best thing possible. Are these issues reprinted in a trade?

[Kid Icarus]

Again, a gorgeously stunning cover. Sofia's life sounds tragic. Her father sounds like a jerk, and of course, she is made fun of in her school. Because she is different. (If they only knew how DIFFERENT Sofia really is, eh?)

What exactly are all of Sofia's powers?

Danielle Moonstar is probably the best thing that could have happened for Sofia. Getting away from her father sounds like the best thing possible. Are these issues reprinted in a trade?

Thanks, Even though I stole the idea from you
And there were some trades. Here is the first one

http://www.amazon.com/New-Mutants-Vol-School-X-Men/dp/0785112421/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202873309&sr=8-4
Sofia has wind manipulation and eventually flight also.

[david r]

New Mutants #2
courtesy of Le Fea


http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/19000/18351/18351-107647-1-new-mutants_400.jpg

We're introduced to Laurie Collins. She's a cute, shy girl that seems to keep to herself and hide inside a shell because whatever emotion she feels, others will feel them, too, through her pheromones.

These 2 issues remind me of Giant-Size X-Men #1. Finding and locating new mutants, only with Danielle Moonstar taking the place of Professor Xavier.

While in the cafeteria, Laurie catches the eye of Moonstar and learns about her story. Perfecto! Laurie can finally get a roommate and bunk with Sofia since Sofia's control over the wind shields her from Laurie's emotion altering abilities!

Them rooming together sounds like when Kitty Pryde & Illyana Rasputin were bunking together in the old days.

I never realized how slow this issue was. It really reads a lot like a Miyazaki film where you can imagine scenes with akward silences and no soundtrack in the background while someone sighs. I don't know if its the anime inspiration of the now-defunct Tsunami line, the decompression 6-issue arc age, or a mixture of both, but it was a slow issue.

Do you mean very little happened in #2? Slow like decompressed? I noticed this too when these issues 1st came out, and was a reason I did not get the series.

Art is still creepy and bland as last issue's, but some interesting new faces gives you something colorful and flashy to look at for a little while.

The art from these panels looks ok to me. It's too bad the cover art couldn't grace the insides too. (Another nice cover, I think!):p

[RickyD410]

Again, a gorgeously stunning cover.
I <3 Josh Middleton

What exactly are all of Sofia's powers?
She can control and manipulate the wind to fly, create tornados, make breezes, and gusts. She can also compact the air near people's heads to make them dizzy and lose their balance. She can use the wind to bring her sounds from far away, so she can use this power to listen to far away conversations, or even take away the voices of people. She can also use her wind gusts to create wind burn.

Sofia ROCKS!! C&C were way messed up to depower her.

[Kid Icarus]

I <3 Josh Middleton


She could control and manipulate the wind to fly, create tornados, make breezes, and gusts. She was also able to compact the air near people's heads to make them dizzy and lose their balance. She could use the wind to bring her sounds from far away, so she used this power to listen to far away conversations, or even take away the voices of people. She had shown the ability also to use her wind gusts to create wind burn.

Sofia ROCKS!! C&C were way messed up to depower her.

I fixed it, sadly :(

[Pach!]

I <3 Josh Middleton


She can control and manipulate the wind to fly, create tornados, make breezes, and gusts. She can also compact the air near people's heads to make them dizzy and lose their balance. She can use the wind to bring her sounds from far away, so she can use this power to listen to far away conversations, or even take away the voices of people. She can also use her wind gusts to create wind burn.

Sofia ROCKS!! C&C were way messed up to depower her.

Well there was so much established about her she is the easiest one to "mess up" even when she's not written that far to her true character.

[RickyD410]

I fixed it, sadly :(

What do you mean? "She had shown the ability" and "she can" are the same, right? She did it in New Mutants #6 when fighting the Reavers in NYC. I think it was 6, maybe it was 5... I guess we'll find out in this thread!

[Kid Icarus]

What do you mean? "She had shown the ability" and "she can" are the same, right? She did it in New Mutants #6 when fighting the Reavers in NYC. I think it was 6, maybe it was 5... I guess we'll find out in this thread!

Because its in the past tense, all she can do now is waitress and act like somebody else.

[La Fea]

Do you mean very little happened in #2? Slow like decompressed? I noticed this too when these issues 1st came out, and was a reason I did not get the series.

Its not an empty issue by any means, but I think my impatience got the best of me and I really wish there was more fire in these earlier issues. There aren't any splash pages or anything, but there were some very pedestrian strolls through the school that I wish were abbreviated.

I caught on to the series around issue 10 so I was able to read them in chunks so I never noticed it before.

The art from these panels looks ok to me. It's too bad the cover art couldn't grace the insides too. (Another nice cover, I think!):p

If Josh Middleton had penciled the series I would've been ecstatic.

I <3 Josh Middleton


She can control and manipulate the wind to fly, create tornados, make breezes, and gusts. She can also compact the air near people's heads to make them dizzy and lose their balance. She can use the wind to bring her sounds from far away, so she can use this power to listen to far away conversations, or even take away the voices of people. She can also use her wind gusts to create wind burn.

Sofia ROCKS!! C&C were way messed up to depower her.

Its my understanding that Marvel depowered her (I wonder if they planned for her to be in a New Warriors-ish series all along), and she was supposed to keep her powers only to die a little later.

I think if Sofia stuck around I would've enjoyed those earlier issues a bit more (I became a fan of C&C's run during QFM). I felt as devastated as the Young X-Men non-fans.

Hopefully her return as Renascence is a fate much better than death.

Because its in the past tense, all she can do now is waitress and act like somebody else.

She still dances!

Sorta. :S

[Butters]

I think if Sofia stuck around I would've enjoyed those earlier issues a bit more (I became a fan of C&C's run during QFM). I felt as devastated as the Young X-Men non-fans.

Trust me, there were PLENTY of complaints during C&C's run.

[RickyD410]

Because its in the past tense, all she can do now is waitress and act like somebody else.

Oooooh, gotcha... :(

I really want her to get her wind powers back at some point. She's just not the same without them...

[La Fea]

Trust me, there were PLENTY of complaints during C&C's run.

Of course. And it didn't have the pleasure of a four-month cooling off period Young X-Men has.

Then again, the uncertainty could also be worst.

Just saying, I understand but...Greymalkin rocks.

Or he will rock.

And is made up of rock.

Maybe.

Oooooh, gotcha... :(

I really want her to get her wind powers back at some point. She's just not the same without them...

Me too, but get them enhanced or something. She did a lot of neat tricks with her powers, but her main powers seems to basically be telekinesis which her loverboy already has.

I would love to see Sofia do something like Riptide or steal homage Psylocke's psychic knife with a tempest punch (shut up) or something like that.

So I guess I'm saying I can see the logic in her getting depowered, but I still would love for her to run with the X-crowd again as a mutant proper.

[dangil_666]

If sofia would have kept her wind power she be like Aang from avatar the last airbender:D she would have sick offense and defense in her powers like create wind barriers, heat waves, suffocate an enemy or make the winds extremely cold:p

[Hi-Fi]

I loved New Mutants #1, but that's because I heart Sofia and Dani. Issue #2 was really slow, but we got Julian so YAY! Loved when Sofia asked Laurie if she was attracted to her! :p

[La Fea]

If sofia would have kept her wind power she be like Aang from avatar the last airbender:D she would have sick offense and defense in her powers like create wind barriers, heat waves, suffocate an enemy or make the winds extremely cold:p

Goooood point.

I effing loved Avatar, but I haven't seen it in a while.

I loved New Mutants #1, but that's because I heart Sofia and Dani. Issue #2 was really slow, but we got Julian so YAY! Loved when Sofia asked Laurie if she was attracted to her! :p

And next issue we get Prodigy and Karma and a whole slew of X-Men illusions!

[RickyD410]

I just remembered another power Sofia had the potential to use. In the Christmas issue of X-Men that Chris Claremont wrote, we saw Storm privately tutoring Sofia. She was teaching her how to use the winds to control air pressure and change the temperature.

I read an old interview by N&C the other day, and they were really happy with that scene. They always wanted to write in a scene with Storm and Sofia together, but it just never happened. They wanted to have Storm teaching Sofia, and then have Sofia try and teach Storm about how to use the winds to listen to sounds. Storm wouldnt have been able to do it.

[La Fea]

I just remembered another power Sofia had the potential to use. In the Christmas issue of X-Men that Chris Claremont wrote, we saw Storm privately tutoring Sofia. She was teaching her how to use the winds to control air pressure and change the temperature.

I read an old interview by N&C the other day, and they were really happy with that scene. They always wanted to write in a scene with Storm and Sofia together, but it just never happened. They wanted to have Storm teaching Sofia, and then have Sofia try and teach Storm about how to use the winds to listen to sounds. Storm wouldnt have been able to do it.

That would've been cute. :o

[ChristosSoter]

Wind Manipulation is slopy TK.

But I still miss powered-Sofia. :-(

[La Fea]

Wind Manipulation is slopy TK.

But I still miss powered-Sofia. :-(

Hopefully her dreams (one including the Scarlet Witch) means she'll get them back one day. =(

[Telepathic Nightmare]

Hey i love the new mutants vol 2 as that was what got me into comics. Also can anyone remember what issues number of X-Men that storm tutored Sofia was as i havent got that one .

[podmark]

Man I haven't even started rereading :( Need to find extra time.

[pryde15]

Wind Manipulation is slopy TK.

But I still miss powered-Sofia. :-(

Hellion was sloppier than Wind Dancer, during the telekinesis training scene. She is the one who kept the jenga game together, after he made it fall.

[Kid Icarus]

Man I haven't even started rereading :( Need to find extra time.

Its fine, I still haven't gotten around to issue three yet
I'm busy with 1984
bah

[podmark]

Its fine, I still haven't gotten around to issue three yet
I'm busy with 1984
bah

yeah I just want to keep up. It'll be fun.

[RickyD410]

Hey i love the new mutants vol 2 as that was what got me into comics. Also can anyone remember what issues number of X-Men that storm tutored Sofia was as i havent got that one .
It was X-Men #165. But it was just one panel. A cameo more than anything. But Hellion, Elixir, Surge, and X-23 feature in it pretty heavily. I mean, for New X-Men. There were alot of Academy X cameos. Claremont had a good handle on our kids. That was a great Christmas ish. I loved it. :)
yeah I just want to keep up. It'll be fun.

Yeah, I wish I had my comics with me... If I did, I'd totally be down for doing summaries with everyone. Or at least reading along... :(

[La Fea]

Hellion was sloppier than Wind Dancer, during the telekinesis training scene. She is the one who kept the jenga game together, after he made it fall.

She certainly couldn't fly though, lol.

It was X-Men #165. But it was just one panel. A cameo more than anything. But Hellion, Elixir, Surge, and X-23 feature in it pretty heavily. I mean, for New X-Men. There were alot of Academy X cameos. Claremont had a good handle on our kids. That was a great Christmas ish. I loved it. :)

And Larocca's art wasn't terrible!

I'll see if I can find it and post scans for you guys. :)

[RickyD410]

And Larocca's art wasn't terrible!

I'll see if I can find it and post scans for you guys. :)

Haha, thats right. I really liked Larocca back then. He was awesome in X-Treme X-Men. Now he's blech.

[Kid Icarus]

Haha, thats right. I really liked Larocca back then. He was awesome in X-Treme X-Men. Now he's blech.

Newuniversal was prettyish
better than spiderman

[pryde15]

She certainly couldn't fly though, lol.



And Larocca's art wasn't terrible!

I'll see if I can find it and post scans for you guys. :)

lol, I will just say she had the fine tuning down pact :D

Larroca's art use to be awesome, now it is just, as Ricky said, blech.

[david r]

I would love to see Sofia do something like Riptide or steal homage Psylocke's psychic knife with a tempest punch (shut up) or something like that.


A "tempest punch"! I like it! :p

[La Fea]

New Mutants vol. 2 #3

Danielle Moonstar is ready to leave to recruit a kid from Atlanta. Professor X emphasizes to Dani that she must use discretion in outing the mutant even though the school is now public. Professor X looks at a photograph of the Old-New Mutants. The two old friends reflect over their losses in a close-up to Cypher and Illyana Rasputin.
Danielle Moonstar: "By the way, I heard Allison came back to the school, but I haven't seen her yet."
Professor X: "She's...away."
Danielle Moonstar: "If she gets back before I do, tell her I said hi. I've got to catch a flight."
The next page shows a comatose Magma and Professor X by her side relaying Danielle's message telepathically.

Cut to Beast teaching Algebra in his own special way.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/beast.jpg

Sofia meets with Julian outside her class. Julian offers to be Sofia's guide around the place and Sofia asks if there's any place to dance. Laurie walks by and Sofia offers her to have lunch but Julian just isn't having that.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/julianisajerk.jpg

...and Sofia isn't either.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/compactedair.jpg

Meanwhile, Moonstar arrives at the Ford home in Atlanta. No one is home and everything seems normal except for a worn shirt and a pile of ash.

Elswhere in Atlanta, a young boy walks in a park draped in a green cloth. People stare as he goes to a junk yard to be alone. He watches the sunset, seemingly reflective, until a vicious dog attacks him. The dog bites his arm and drops dead on the ground.

Danielle visits the Ford boy's school. Kevin's teacher vouches that Kevin is a good kid raised by a single father, but records show he had missed the last couple of days of school. Turns out Kevin Ford is an artistic prodigy who can "bring life to scraps of metal".
Teacher: "While most kids his age are hanging out at the mall, Kevin's sneaking into that old junk yard to gather material."
Back at the junkyard, two workers discover their dead dog and begin to attack Kevin. Not willing to kill, he gets kicked in the stomach and beat with a pipe until Danielle arrives and throws them bows.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/moonstarrr.jpg

Kevin explains his mutant power to decay matter and Danielle pieces together what happened to Kevin's father. Kevin explains and its really tragic stuff.

They return to his home to get him some clothes (polyester as apparently he only decays organic matter). Kevin is afraid Danielle will take him to jail, but his worry turns into enthusiasm when he finds out she's taking him to the XAVIER INSTITUTE!

Back at the mansion, Nurse Annie checks on Kevin who is excited to one day become an X-Man. Professor Xavier reveals to Danielle that Magma was crucified on the lawn of the Institute by the Church of Humanity (--see Chuck Austen's Uncanny X-Men). The professor admits it was wrong of him to send her off recruiting children when he's not even sure its safe at the school.
Danielle: "Safe? When I found Kevin, they were beating him with a lead pipe! The world isn't safe."
Danielle encourages the Professor that the dream is still alive and that the school is a save haven for mutants.
Professor: You're right. I guess I was ashamed. You and your classmates...you looked up to me and I let you down".
Danielle: "You're not perfect, Charles. And I know that. I'm not a child anymore."
Professor: "So I'm learning".
End

Character appearances:
Danielle Moonstar
Professor Xavier
Beast
Sofia Mantega
Julian Keller
Laurie Collins
Nurse Annie
Magma

Rockslide (first appearance)
Kevin Ford (first appearance)

Photograph:
Magik (Illyana Rasputin)
Cannonball
Danielle Moonstar
Sunspot
Cypher
Warlock
Karma
Wolfsbane
Magma

Review: I really enjoyed this issue. Kevin's origin is pretty sick and tragic and Danielle switched gracefully between being her bad ass warrior self and a great mentor.

The school is presented in a more fun, less tour guide way with a brief cameo by Beast and the sassy stylings of Sofia Mantega.

While its still not an epic saga of x-treme proportions, I think this issue (especially in contrast to the previous one) would be a point where I'd get interested in these characters and this story a little more.

Even the art was a lot easier on the eyes. Go Keron!

[La Fea]

Oh and here is the GORGEOUS cover by Joshua Middleton.

Relevance to the actual story not included.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/newmutants2-3.jpg

Credit to uncannyxmen.net for the cover scan.

[Hi-Fi]

Nurse Annie
LOL

Remember when Julian and Josh almost killed her? Good times.

Anyway, issue #3 was OK. I'm a Kevin fan, so I was pleased with his introduction. Sofia was a blast at the mansion.

But I wasn't feeling this book yet by this time. The pacing was not for my liking.

[La Fea]

LOL

Remember when Julian and Josh almost killed her? Good times.

Anyway, issue #3 was OK. I'm a Kevin fan, so I was pleased with his introduction. Sofia was a blast at the mansion.

But I wasn't feeling this book yet by this time. The pacing was not for my liking.

The pacing still left a lot to be desired. I know its really picky, but I also didn't like how some sentences felt fragmented (I also noticed it in C&C's run too). I probably do it. Occasionally, too. But it still bugs me.

[IronKing]

This thread is really making me miss the New X-Men even more...

[david r]

New Mutants vol. 2 #3

Danielle Moonstar is ready to leave to recruit a kid from Atlanta. Professor X emphasizes to Dani that she must use discretion in outing the mutant even though the school is now public. Professor X looks at a photograph of the Old-New Mutants. The two old friends reflect over their losses in a close-up to Cypher and Illyana Rasputin.

That is bittersweet.

The next page shows a comatose Magma and Professor X by her side relaying Danielle's message telepathically.

That is quite touching. How did Magma become comatose?

Cut to Beast teaching Algebra in his own special way.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/beast.jpg

I like the idea of the older X-Men teaching these new students. It seemed like a natural progression. Even "Professor Wolverine" I liked. :)


They return to his home to get him some clothes (polyester as apparently he only decays organic matter). Kevin is afraid Danielle will take him to jail, but his worry turns into enthusiasm when he finds out she's taking him to the XAVIER INSTITUTE!

Wait, Kevin killed his father?? (Inventive mutant power, though.)

Professor: You're right. I guess I was ashamed. You and your classmates...you looked up to me and I let you down".

Danielle: "You're not pefect, Charles. And I know that. I'm not a child anymore."
Professor: "So I'm learning".

I like this exchange between them. Danielle has really matured.

The school is presented in a more fun, less tour guide way with a brief cameo by Beast and the sassy stylings of Sofia Mantega.

I like it when we see the School in the eyes of a new student. It sounds like this series did that. It's fun seeing these well-established characters to someone young who's never heard of them before.

[Kid Icarus]

Good summary as expected.
I'm failing the cause.
BUT
I will write a kick ass issue four summary tomorrow

And at least the character on this cover was featured in the book.
(even as an unconscious woman)

[RickyD410]

That is quite touching. How did Magma become comatose?
The Church of Humanity crucified a bunch of mutants on the X-Men's front lawn. It happened in Uncanny X-Men, but I'm not sure when... Among the mutants crucified were Jubilee, Magma, Skin, and three others. I dont know who the others were. I think the only ones to survive the attack were Jubilee and Magma.

Wait, Kevin killed his father?? (Inventive mutant power, though.)
Yup. His powers turned on, and his father tried to comfort him, and the next thing they know... Daddy's dead. Very sad. And Kevin didnt know what to do, so he just sat there hugging his dad's dead body sobbing, until his dad didnt even have a body anymore.

REALLY depressing...

[La Fea]

Glad to see you introduced to the series, davidr, even if its in a rather unconventional way. :)

The Church of Humanity crucified a bunch of mutants on the X-Men's front lawn. It happened in Uncanny X-Men, but I'm not sure when... Among the mutants crucified were Jubilee, Magma, Skin, and three others. I dont know who the others were. I think the only ones to survive the attack were Jubilee and Magma.


Yup. His powers turned on, and his father tried to comfort him, and the next thing they know... Daddy's dead. Very sad. And Kevin didnt know what to do, so he just sat there hugging his dad's dead body sobbing, until his dad didnt even have a body anymore.

REALLY depressing...

Great points I should've included in the summary! I blanked out on how Magma was injured except for the fact that it was during Austen's run on UXM.

Good summary as expected.
I'm failing the cause.
BUT
I will right a kick ass issue four summary tomorrow

And at least the character on this cover was featured in the book.
(even as an unconscious woman)

Awww I didn't mean to step on any toes!

Looking forward to issue four with the debut of Prodigy (errr...actually David Alleyne for now).

[david r]

Yup. His powers turned on, and his father tried to comfort him, and the next thing they know... Daddy's dead. Very sad. And Kevin didnt know what to do, so he just sat there hugging his dad's dead body sobbing, until his dad didnt even have a body anymore.

REALLY depressing...

Ooh, that is pretty traumatizing. How horrible. Kevin would be scarred for life. I'm not sure Xavier or any X-Men could save him from a lifetime of sorrow after that.

[ChristosSoter]

Question: will this thread include the Hellions miniseries and the yearbook?

[Kid Icarus]

Question: will this thread include the Hellions miniseries and the yearbook?

I was planing on it

[ChristosSoter]

I was planing on it
Good. Keep planing on it.

[Kid Icarus]

New Mutants #4

"Freaks and Geeks"

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/19000/18351/18351-107650-1-new-mutants_400.jpg


Guest Appearances by:
Moonstar
Professor X
Magma
Karma
Leong Coy Manh
Nga Coy Manh
Wither
Wallflower
Wind Dancer

1st Appearance: David Alleyne, Kim Alleyne




In Chicago, we meet David Alleyne who is making breakfast for his family. He offers the Eggs Benedict to his father who responds with an

"Egadd, how do you know how to make these?"

David replies that his dad must have taught him how to at some point, because he obviously knows how to do it. He tells them that he is going to enrole in yet another college class over the summer (because really, what else is there to do in the summer :rolleyes: ). Kim, his 14 year old sister, is told that she needs some supervision, but that's ok because David knows a swell librarian at the school who she can stay with while he is in class. Outside the window, two voices confirm that even though he is normal looking, David is in fact a mutant.

Meanwhile back at the Institute, Professor Xavier and Dani are sitting behind a computer. It appears that Cerebra has been picking up mutant signals from Chicago for the past year at three distinct locations. It also appears that whoever the mutant is, has come into contact with someone very familiar to Cerebra.

Back in Chicago, Shan, and Leong Manh are trying to get to a graduation ceremony. Dr. Sean Garrison, a mutant sympathizer, is speaking at the ceremony according to a poster hung in the alley way. This poster, however, draws the attention of some mutant hating thugs who think that defacing the poster with red spray paint will really affect their futures and the outcome of the human race... Seeing this, Shan gets a tad bit peeved and goes karma! on them, possessing one of the kids and making him spray the other in the back of the head. Smirking, Shan and her siblings continue on.

At the ceremony Shan situates her brother and sister in the audience before she takes her place up front. There is an empty seat saved for Kitty, but Shan has little hope that she will show.(I'm not sure what the back story here is). Dr. Garrison takes the stage and tells the class that they have to suck it up and rub some dirt in it. Someone in the world will always be jealous of them no matter what they do, and it is out of jealousy that hate is derived.

Shan graduates college! and as she returns to her seat she sees a third person waiting for her.


Shan takes Dani back to her house where her and her siblings live. Dani askes who hooked her up with the place to which Shan replies in another cryptic manner something about Kitty that I am still behooved by. The twins ask Dani is she wants to play Monnaie Disponible (money available). Shan advises against it, since they make up the rules and are trying to con their good friend for drug money. Dani cuts right to the chase and tells Shan that there is a mutant somewhere in Chicago (which was like duh, half the country is mutants now you would probably find more than one in the Windy City...) and the Shan has come into contact with them at the university. She knows right away that it is David. But back to the small talk, Shan asks Dani if she has seen the rest of the old gang.

Dani: There's something I need to tell you...its about Magma.

Back at the Institute, Xavier asks Kevin if he likes his new threads.

"Well, they match the gloves."

The Prof surfaces some bad memories for Kevin and tells him not to kill anyone (aka be careful). Kevin walks alone down the hallway trying to avoid his classmates, but he is still spotted by Laurie and Sofia. Sofia tells Laurie she didn't realize that Laurie was "into" the goth crowd. Laurie says that Kevin is not goth, only lonely.

Back in Chicago, David leaves his sister with Shan so he can go learn about stuff. In class, the teacher tells the students that he is adding a new book to the syllabus and he asks what the importance of the book is. Some boy whines about the fact that they shouldn't yet know what the book is about since they haven't even read it. The teacher asks David what he thinks is the importance of the book, and he spiels out this drawn out answer about the author's theories of life. Out in the hallway, Dani is spying.

After class, David goes and asks Shan for the new book that they are supposed to read for class. She asks how to spell the author's last name and he responds that he has no idea. Dani jumps out and begins to ask shower him with question. She asks him how he knew all that stuff, was he a telepath or what? Kim, seeing her brother, gets up and they leave together leaving the book behind.

Back at the Alleyne residence there's a knock at the door. Someone left a picture on the door of David eating breakfast with the words Mutant wanted: dead or alive on it. David freaks out a lil bit and wonders if Shan and Dani had figured it out somehow. His dad asks if it is true, and David "comes out" to him getting a little fed up at the situation and storming out of the door. Little Kim tells her dad how awesome that just was, and storms out after him.

Kim meets up with him and they hug. She always knew he was a freak, but now she knew it was genetic. Dani and Shan appear and tell David that they need to talk. He gets defensive and asks why they put the picture on his door. It wasn't them of course, it had...to be...PURITY!

And speak of the devil, an anti mutant gang came just in time to beat up some muties. They tell Dani and Shan to step aside so they can deal with the mutant. Haha, but there's three mutants here! or even more.

The illsuion scares off most of the attackers, but not all of them. This is quickly taken care of when Shan possess one of them and has him beat up one of the others. That leaves only one mean man left, but he is a black belt he tells the world.

Using his power, David quickly takes care of him and the rest of them run off. He tells Shan that she seems to normal to be a mutant, to which she replies, I'm a lesbian immigrant (ok....). She tells him that he will fit in great at Xavier's school.

Back at David's house, he tells his parents about his gift. He knows everything that people around him know. If someone knows French and is standing by him, then he can speak French. However, once they leave, it gradually wears off. And that is the reason he studies so hard, he wants to learn it for realz. He says his good byes and then leaves with Dani and Shan

The twins ask him if he wants to play Monnaie Disponible. David is game, he knows all of the rules.




end




review and pictures to come

[ChristosSoter]

Alright, Kid Icarus. You were gettin' rusty, there for a while. Glad to see you back on the ball.

Good summery, I enjoyed it.

[RickyD410]

New Mutants #4

"Freaks and Geeks"
At the ceremony Shan situates her brother and sister in the audience before she takes her place up front. There is an empty seat saved for Kitty, but Shan has little hope that she will show.(I'm not sure what the back story here is). Dr. Garrison takes the stage and tells the class that they have to suck it up and rub some dirt in it. Someone in the world will always be jealous of them no matter what they do, and it is out of jealousy that hate is derived.

Shan takes Dani back to her house where her and her siblings live. Dani askes who hooked her up with the place to which Shan replies in another cryptic manner something about Kitty that I am still behooved by.
When N&C originally wrote this story, they wanted to make it a tie-in to the Mekanix story that was going on at the time. Kitty and Shan went to the same college, and for a bit, Kitty thought she might have been bisexual, and Shan was trying to go out with her. I never read Mekanix, but I'm assuming the apartment was Kitty's before she left for X-Treme X-Men.

Its kind of silly that Marvel refused to allow this issue to tie-in to Mekanix. Ya know? The way they found out that David was a mutant was with Alice's Sentinel. Which is something from Mekanix that I dont know about cus I never read it. But N&C werent allowed to make this issue "crossover" with Mekanix. Which is just silly to me, because it would get more people to buy both issues.

Marvel really amazes me sometimes.

[Pach!]

When N&C originally wrote this story, they wanted to make it a tie-in to the Mekanix story that was going on at the time. Kitty and Shan went to the same college, and for a bit, Kitty thought she might have been bisexual, and Shan was trying to go out with her. I never read Mekanix, but I'm assuming the apartment was Kitty's before she left for X-Treme X-Men.

Its kind of silly that Marvel refused to allow this issue to tie-in to Mekanix. Ya know? The way they found out that David was a mutant was with Alice's Sentinel. Which is something from Mekanix that I dont know about cus I never read it. But N&C werent allowed to make this issue "crossover" with Mekanix. Which is just silly to me, because it would get more people to buy both issues.

Marvel really amazes me sometimes.

They might have wanted to shed less spotlight on the bisexual Kitty thing CC was writing? LOL who knows.

Anyways it's finally the weekend, so I'll catch up in a bit.

[podmark]

I love the covers to this series.

[Kid Icarus]

When N&C originally wrote this story, they wanted to make it a tie-in to the Mekanix story that was going on at the time. Kitty and Shan went to the same college, and for a bit, Kitty thought she might have been bisexual, and Shan was trying to go out with her. I never read Mekanix, but I'm assuming the apartment was Kitty's before she left for X-Treme X-Men.

Its kind of silly that Marvel refused to allow this issue to tie-in to Mekanix. Ya know? The way they found out that David was a mutant was with Alice's Sentinel. Which is something from Mekanix that I dont know about cus I never read it. But N&C werent allowed to make this issue "crossover" with Mekanix. Which is just silly to me, because it would get more people to buy both issues.

Marvel really amazes me sometimes.
Thank you for clearing that up. I'm glad we have our own N&C expert to help clear things up and tell us what went on behind the scenes.

[RickyD410]

Thank you for clearing that up. I'm glad we have our own N&C expert to help clear things up and tell us what went on behind the scenes.

:D

podmark probably knows a bunch too. He used to post at N&C's forums as well. They havent been there in a long while though.... sadness.

[podmark]

:D

podmark probably knows a bunch too. He used to post at N&C's forums as well. They havent been there in a long while though.... sadness.

I came to their forums late so I probably don't know quite as much.

[david r]

New Mutants #4

"Freaks and Geeks"
This poster, however, draws the attention of some mutant hating thugs who think that defacing the poster with red spray paint will really affect their futures and the outcome of the human race...

HA! Doesn't it ALWAYS affect their futures and the outcome of the human race?

Seeing this, Shan gets a tad bit peeved and goes karma! on them, possessing one of the kids and making him spray the other in the back of the head.

Yeah... you don't mess with the muties!! :evilsmile

The Prof surfaces some bad memories for Kevin and tells him not to kill anyone

That Professor X--always with good advice!

After class, David goes and asks Shan for the new book that they are supposed to read for class. She asks how to spell the author's last name and he responds that he has no idea. Dani jumps out and begins to ask shower him with question. She asks him how he knew all that stuff, was he a telepath or what? Kim, seeing her brother, gets up and they leave together leaving the book behind.

I wish we'd see more of mutants in school.

Back at the Alleyne residence there's a knock at the door. Someone left a picture on the door of David eating breakfast with the words Mutant wanted: dead or alive on it.

So David has a stalker watching him? That's not good!

And speak of the devil, an anti mutant gang came just in time to beat up some muties.

The Hitler Youth arrive... every school has some...

to which she replies, I'm a lesbian immigrant (ok....).

She actually said that? I'm surprised Marvel would have allowed those words to get through.

[RickyD410]

She actually said that? I'm surprised Marvel would have allowed those words to get through.

I think her exact words were "I'm a lesbian immigrant raising my two younger siblings by myself. The fact that you think I'm normal means you'll fit in perfectly at Xavier's.

[Kid Icarus]

I think her exact words were "I'm a lesbian immigrant raising my two younger siblings by myself. The fact that you think I'm normal means you'll fit in perfectly at Xavier's.

Oh man, I hope you had that memorized.
I just thought being a lesbian and an immigrant were weak arguments for not being normal.

[Butters]

Oh man, I hope you had that memorized.
I just thought being a lesbian and an immigrant were weak arguments for not being normal.

Eh. You're nitpicking.

[RickyD410]

Oh man, I hope you had that memorized.

...I did. I dont have my comics with me at school... :o

[pryde15]

Eh. You're nitpicking.

I think I have to agree, here.

I am going through the Grind Stone forum on Comixfan, and I am reading some of there plans, and I am disappointed that we didn't get to see some of these :(

[RickyD410]

I think I have to agree, here.

I am going through the Grind Stone forum on Comixfan, and I am reading some of there plans, and I am disappointed that we didn't get to see some of these :(

One of the main things that I wish we could have gotten was the minis about each squad. We got the Hellions mini, but there was a Corsairs mini, a Paragons mini, and an Alpha Squadron mini planned as well. The Paragons mini would have had the squad go to Nova Roma with Magma and prove she was right all along, and the Alpha Squadron mini would have had the squad go to find Aurora, cus at that point she hadnt been located yet. I dont think they had planned anything for the Corsairs mini yet.

[pryde15]

One of the main things that I wish we could have gotten was the minis about each squad. We got the Hellions mini, but there was a Corsairs mini, a Paragons mini, and an Alpha Squadron mini planned as well. The Paragons mini would have had the squad go to Nova Roma with Magma and prove she was right all along, and the Alpha Squadron mini would have had the squad go to find Aurora, cus at that point she hadnt been located yet. I dont think they had planned anything for the Corsairs mini yet.

That would've been amazing. It seems like NC would've kept completely different characters powered, than what Yost & Kyle did. lol.

[Kid Icarus]

Sorry

ON a different note, I just started reading mekanix. I enjoyed the issue and I just realized it was claremont. WOW.

[Dpool]

It was so sad I was just about to add this to my pull list and I hear its getting canceled

[pryde15]

It was so sad I was just about to add this to my pull list and I hear its getting canceled

Yep it is. But you should still pick up the back issues, It was an amazing read. And a new title for the kids is coming back in April, written by Marc Gugenheim.

[pryde15]

Sorry

ON a different note, I just started reading mekanix. I enjoyed the issue and I just realized it was claremont. WOW.

Claremont use to be an amazing writer, there is no denying that. But I think hi story telling is too "dated" for today.

[Hi-Fi]

That would've been amazing. It seems like NC would've kept completely different characters powered, than what Yost & Kyle did. lol.

Here's who Nunzio and Christina planned to keep their powers:

Well, our initial plan was to depower as few as possible, but given the scope of decimation, we would have been asked to rethink that.

In that case, we has wanted our HOM arc to take the kids into Genosha briefly, allowing Scarlet Witch to see the Hellions and the New Mutants, thus creating a certain logic to most of those kids keeping their powers.

Still, we'd have depowered most of the undefined kids, and probably would have depowered a couple of high profile kids just to shock people.

Then we'd have had Josh repower the ones we needed/wanted before he'd go too far and have to be stopped (which would have stopped him from repowering the whole student body).

We likely would have depowered all the students except:
The New Mutants
The Hellions
Victor
the Vale sisters
Pixie
Quill
Dryad
D.J.
Jeffrey Garrett
Hisako and all other kids needed for other books
and there's no way we would have depowered X-23 as we had been planning to add her to the book anyway.

Everyone else would have lost their powers.

Then we likely would have depowered a couple of Hellions and NMs and had Josh repower them before his story went out of control.

The only one we know we would have done that for sure with was David. But as we said, Josh would be our way of bringing back the NMs and Hellions.

We would have lost Loa and Trance.

For more info, check this thread:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3127650&postcount=803

[Kid Icarus]

Yeah, but it came out relatively recent in 2003. It just took me off guard.

[pryde15]

Here's who Nunzio and Christina planned to keep their powers:



We would have lost Loa and Trance.

For more info, check this thread:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3127650&postcount=803

:eek:

We would've lost almost the entire S'more Squad! and even though the Cuckoos weren't listed, I doubt marvel would allow them to depower them.

[Kid Icarus]

:eek:

We would've lost almost the entire S'more Squad! and even though the Cuckoos weren't listed, I doubt marvel would allow them to depower them.

I wonder how or why Josh would be stopped from repowering people.

Cyclops: This is getting a little out of hand, there should be some kind of ramifications for the no more mutants thingy. So until further notice, no more repowering.
Josh: yessir

[ChristosSoter]

We would have lost Loa and Trance.

It's not like anyone really cared about Loa and Trance back then anyway.

Wow, didn't C&C establish in thier run that Josh coudn't repower them?

I think I might have enjoyed N&C's plan more than C&C's. Although, I loved the whole brawl sequnece.

[pryde15]

It's not like anyone really cared about Loa and Trance back then anyway.

Wow, didn't C&C establish in thier run that Josh coudn't repower them?

I think I might have enjoyed N&C's plan more than C&C's. Although, I loved the whole brawl sequnece.

yes your right, no one cared about them, that's why people were always asking questions about Loa at their forum :rolleyes:

I liked Trance ever since she appeared in #12.

Not really, from what I remember he never really tried. He tried to heal DJ after the Bus incident. I just remember Beast saying that it was impossible to repower them, but that was established in the House of M series.

[La Fea]

Here's who Nunzio and Christina planned to keep their powers:



We would have lost Loa and Trance.

For more info, check this thread:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3127650&postcount=803


It would've been lame if NONE of the New Mutants or Hellions lost their powers, but I like their choices for the background characters. Quill was kinda lame but super cute when he asked out Surge at the dance. :o

The New Mutants (minus Icarus)
The Hellions (minus Tag)
Victor
the Vale sisters
Pixie

would've been good to me.

[Pach!]

I think it's for the best that Nunzio/Christina's plans for Josh didn't go through as that basically meant that it was reversible. Rachel changes DNA (see Dino Rachel) and could have solved it right there and then. And then it would've been moot.


As for their choices I'd miss too many and only truly gain Preview :(

[La Fea]

Anyways, I made avatars! from the issues reviewed so far for anyone who wants them.

Issue One:

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/behindbarsmoonstar.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/blingblingflossyflossy.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/behindbarssofia.jpg

[La Fea]

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/trappedinnewwarriors.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/lockedup.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/sofia.jpg

[Pach!]

Vintage Sofia Maria Mantega Contreras! (or whatever her real name is)

[La Fea]

Issue 2:
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/train.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/wallflower.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/anole.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/cantfly.jpg

[La Fea]

Issue 3:
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/wither2.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/Wither.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/nowthatsjustinsensitive.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/danithrowsthembows.jpg

[La Fea]

Issue 4:
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/karma2.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/karma.jpg

Others that I forgot to fit in:
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/blowwind.jpg
(issue 2)

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/New%20X-Men%20from%20the%20beginning/winddancer.jpg
(issue 3)

[pryde15]

I think it's for the best that Nunzio/Christina's plans for Josh didn't go through as that basically meant that it was reversible. Rachel changes DNA (see Dino Rachel) and could have solved it right there and then. And then it would've been moot.


As for their choices I'd miss too many and only truly gain Preview :(

lol, out of everyone I wish would've been kept powered, the Vale sisters are the only ones who really really deserved to be there. Yes I would've loved to see Dryad & DJ there, but if that had happened, I would be losing Trance & Loa :(

[pryde15]

Those are awesome, avatars, La Fea!

[Pach!]

Awesome Avatars, Fea!

My favorite is Kevin's dad. LOOOOL.

[La Fea]

lol, out of everyone I wish would've been kept powered, the Vale sisters are the only ones who really really deserved to be there. Yes I would've loved to see Dryad & DJ there, but if that had happened, I would be losing Trance & Loa :(

I never liked the idea of DJ. He's so...Inky, power-wise.

I would've saved Dryad, but only because we never got to see her in action. For all I know, she could've been super-lames.

Those are awesome, avatars, La Fea!

Thanks!

Awesome Avatars, Fea!

My favorite is Kevin's dad. LOOOOL.

I'm so mean!

[Hi-Fi]

I'm happier with C&C's selection of characters. In fact, the only two characters I wish they haven't depowered are Sofia and Preview. I was totally ok with the rest.

Nunzio and Christina would have depower Loa and Trance and that would be awful!

Great avatars, Fea!

[La Fea]

I'm happier with C&C's selection of characters. In fact, the only two characters I wish they haven't depowered are Sofia and Preview. I was totally ok with the rest.

Nunzio and Christina would have depower Loa and Trance and that would be awful!

Great avatars, Fea!

After seeing their list, I think I see why Marvel would've been unsure about letting N&C make the big decision of who to depower after M-Day. It sucks that they couldn't, but it seemed like they were definitely attached to their babies and wouldn't have wanted to let some go (which is understandable). BUUUT who am I to say that? I still think its a crime Sofia *was* depowered.

And I'm soooo glad someone got rid of Jeffrey Garrett. I was not feeling that concept at all. Maybe now that Pixie has dabbed in Limbo, she can do something cooky and revisit it though.

[Pach!]

Is anyone doing next issue's summary? Should I (too soon?) ? I'm not entirely sure how this works :(

[podmark]

Wow, didn't C&C establish in thier run that Josh coudn't repower them?


Actually they confirmed he has the ability to repower but it involves rewriting genetic codes and well I'd like to see you do that?

[La Fea]

Who do you guys think would've been the best 2 Hellions to depower? I would've said Tag and Wither, but re-reading these issues I'm loving Wither again.

Is anyone doing next issue's summary? Should I (too soon?) ? I'm not entirely sure how this works :(

LOL! You used it!

Actually they confirmed he has the ability to repower but it involves rewriting genetic codes and well I'd like to see you do that?

Its also a really good reason why you should always befriend the weirdos.

It would be hilarious to see him reprogram Julian as a girl.

[pryde15]

Who do you guys think would've been the best 2 Hellions to depower? I would've said Tag and Wither, but re-reading these issues I'm loving Wither again.



LOL! You used it!



Its also a really good reason why you should always befriend the weirdos.

It would be hilarious to see him reprogram Julian as a girl.


Tag is the obvious choice here. Mercury had the tragic think going on, and I liked Kevin. I am not completely sure, I am tempted to say Santo, lol.

[Pach!]

I would have depowered only Tag and depowered more New Mutants.

Icarus - DEPOWERED
Prodigy - DEPOWERED
Wallflower - DEPOWERED
Surge - DEPOWERED

Leaving only Sofia and Elixir. Although I might have reconsidered with Surge. Maybe. If she behaved.

[broodjeork]

Actually they confirmed he has the ability to repower but it involves rewriting genetic codes and well I'd like to see you do that?

so far there is only one way known to man to actualy rewrite the human dna
and that is with a virus, even so this only replaces/rewrites only one tiny bit of the dna, and each virus body only rewrites one cel. so to do it you wil need lots of viruses.

but even if you have the amount of different viruses to rewrite every single specific part of dna, then the method will still have two major flaws.

one, you need to know what just must rewrite and what to rewrite it with
and two, viruses mutate, so the friendly virus can become a not so friendly virus

ofcourse these facts probably have now reall meaning in comic world :p

and im only seventheen >D

[Hi-Fi]

I would have depowered only Tag and depowered more New Mutants.

Icarus - DEPOWERED
Prodigy - DEPOWERED
Wallflower - DEPOWERED
Surge - DEPOWERED

Leaving only Sofia and Elixir. Although I might have reconsidered with Surge. Maybe. If she behaved.
NOOOOOO!! I love Nori's powers. :(

[pryde15]

I would have depowered only Tag and depowered more New Mutants.

Icarus - DEPOWERED
Prodigy - DEPOWERED
Wallflower - DEPOWERED
Surge - DEPOWERED

Leaving only Sofia and Elixir. Although I might have reconsidered with Surge. Maybe. If she behaved.

I would have kept Wallflower powered, mainly because I like her, but also because I want to see what they had planned for her & Sean Garrison.

[La Fea]

Tag is the obvious choice here. Mercury had the tragic think going on, and I liked Kevin. I am not completely sure, I am tempted to say Santo, lol.

I would've said Santo, too, but everyone else seems to like him now.

I would have depowered only Tag and depowered more New Mutants.

Icarus - DEPOWERED
Prodigy - DEPOWERED
Wallflower - DEPOWERED
Surge - DEPOWERED

Leaving only Sofia and Elixir. Although I might have reconsidered with Surge. Maybe. If she behaved.

LOL. I agree! I'm unsure about Surge as well. Icarus was the death to me! DEATH! I don't know why editorial wanted him.

Elixir I would've kept only for his eventual breakdown and return as the Zen, Loa-kissing fiend he ended up many issues later.

I liked the New Mutants, but I'm sad that she befriended them first, preventing her from being Mafia Princess Sofia Mantega of the Hellions squad. She totally should've switched over.

[Pach!]

I would depower Hi-Fi and Pryde15 then.

[Hi-Fi]

I would depower Hi-Fi and Pryde15 then.
Would you put me on the bus? :(

[La Fea]

Would you put me on the bus? :(

WORST!

You'd join the New Warriors.

[Kid Icarus]

I would have kept both Wallflower and Wind Dancer

[Pach!]

Would you put me on the bus? :(

LOL. No. You didn't want to leave so Loa hid you in her closet. So you were saved. Followed by an issue of Loa telling you it's time to come out of the closet. LOL.

[La Fea]

I would've kept Wind Dancer and Wallflower/or/Elixir but not both. Combined they create the anti-La Fea.

[Hi-Fi]

WORST!

You'd join the New Warriors.
*takes his seat of the bus*

[pryde15]

I would depower Hi-Fi and Pryde15 then.

:eek:

I wonder who I would sit next to on the bus?

[Hi-Fi]

:eek:

I wonder who I would sit next to on the bus?
I'm totally getting a cab. Wanna share?

[Kid Icarus]

:eek:

I wonder who I would sit next to on the bus?

I'd still have some just enough precog to lock you in your room

[pryde15]

I'm totally getting a cab. Wanna share?

Sure :D

We'll split the cost.


oh and Andres, Kitty has now passed judgement, and she says...

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/uxm168p1copy-2.jpg

[pryde15]

I'd still have some just enough precog to lock you in your room

oh so you want to leave me for the Purifiers, how nice ;)

lol, If that happened, I would be with Trance having an anxiety attack :p

[Kid Icarus]

oh so you want to leave me for the Purifiers, how nice ;)

lol, If that happened, I would be with Trance having an anxiety attack :p

Nah the purifiers would only be a problem if you opened your door

Quill RIP

[podmark]

so far there is only one way known to man to actualy rewrite the human dna
and that is with a virus, even so this only replaces/rewrites only one tiny bit of the dna, and each virus body only rewrites one cel. so to do it you wil need lots of viruses.

but even if you have the amount of different viruses to rewrite every single specific part of dna, then the method will still have two major flaws.

one, you need to know what just must rewrite and what to rewrite it with
and two, viruses mutate, so the friendly virus can become a not so friendly virus

ofcourse these facts probably have now reall meaning in comic world :p

and im only seventheen >D

See you got the right idea. Basically Josh can do that based on the scope of his full powers, but in order to do it he has to actually work it out mentally. It's a ton of work, and as we saw Josh barely has the stamina to reconstruct a heart.

He has a long way to go before he can repower the mutant race.

Also N&C's version of Josh obviously differs from this.



I'm mostly happy with the depowerings that C&C went with. I probably would have kept Quill and Icarus around though.

[Pach!]

Fine.

I'd depower myself and get on that bus so I don't have to make these horrible decisions.

[Mr. Eymed]

All this bus talk makes me sad

[RickyD410]

All this bus talk makes me sad

Me too.

And PS, YOU have an awesome avatar.

The only people I would have kept powered were Sofia, Wallflower, and Quill. At the time I would have kept DJ and Dryad though as well. And Spectre too probably. But now all I really miss are Quill and Sofia.

[pryde15]

I was never really drawn to Quill, he had a nice personality, but I thought the Vale twins kicked ass :(

[La Fea]

Surdigy < Quiurge

[Mr. Eymed]

Me too.

And PS, YOU have an awesome avatar.

The only people I would have kept powered were Sofia, Wallflower, and Quill. At the time I would have kept DJ and Dryad though as well. And Spectre too probably. But now all I really miss are Quill and Sofia.

Well thank you, I enjoy it quite a bit. I was re-reading the old issues and this panel kinda jumped out at me. And through the power of Photoshop, I brought them as close as they should always be.

And regarding the people on the bus. I never understood why Callie was on it. Wasn't the bus for the kids whose families didn't want them back? If so, Callie's dad was a mutant, he was the school's gardener or something along those lines. I know he designed the hedge maze. So I never understood why he wouldn't have taken Callie back.

[La Fea]

Well thank you, I enjoy it quite a bit. I was re-reading the old issues and this panel kinda jumped out at me. And through the power of Photoshop, I brought them as close as they should always be.

And regarding the people on the bus. I never understood why Callie was on it. Wasn't the bus for the kids whose families didn't want them back? If so, Callie's dad was a mutant, he was the school's gardener or something along those lines. I know he designed the hedge maze. So I never understood why he wouldn't have taken Callie back.

It wasn't said on panel, unfortunately, so C&C were free to make her go boom. :(

I really liked her powers over pretty much all the background characters, so I was sad about that loss.

[Butters]

Of the people that lost there powers, I would have kept Wind Dancer and the Vale Twins. At least Preview.

[podmark]

Wasn't the bus for the kids whose families didn't want them back?

The bus was just for the kids who hadn't left yet. I'm pretty it was never said that they're parents wouldn't take them back, and this seems unlikely as only 8(?) were buried at the schools graveyard because their bodies wouldn't be taken back.

[broodjeork]

The bus was just for the kids who hadn't left yet. I'm pretty it was never said that they're parents wouldn't take them back, and this seems unlikely as only 8(?) were buried at the schools graveyard because their bodies wouldn't be taken back.

very true indeed, though it strikes me that we never really saw anything about parents beeing consurned about the students that are still alive.

i mean your son/daughter is at a school where they get blown up, shot, knived, possible disintergrated and get to fly jets without hardly any lessons if none at all
wouldnt you be concerned about that? i mean there still alive for now wouldnt you want to keep it that way?

but apperently the comic parents dont realy care:confused:

[Butters]

very true indeed, though it strikes me that we never really saw anything about parents beeing consurned about the students that are still alive.

i mean your son/daughter is at a school where they get blown up, shot, knived, possible disintergrated and get to fly jets without hardly any lessons if none at all
wouldnt you be concerned about that? i mean there still alive for now wouldnt you want to keep it that way?

but apperently the comic parents dont realy care:confused:

Yeah, that did always strike me as rather odd. In the case of characters like Surge and Elixir, it makes sense for the parents to not care. But for someone like Anole, I imagine there must have been some concern since they sent him to the university for his safety.

Perhaps Cyclops never contacted them unless one of their kids died? Who knows.

[Mr. Eymed]

Maybe Emma mind-wiped all the parents and made them forget they even had kids :p I wouldn't put it past her :D

[broodjeork]

Maybe Emma mind-wiped all the parents and made them forget they even had kids :p I wouldn't put it past her :D

nah i dont think so
though yes she could/would do it
but where would she get the time??????
i mean she has a full time yob at uncanny x-men
she's got an relationship with scott, shes a headmistress
the ocasional crisis now and then wich involses the mantion getting destroyd
(vaguely remember that wolvie said something to build the plase out of legos in case it happend again witch did)
and not to forget sleep

[mgs]

Taking a page out of David R's book of tricks
</p>
have to point out the obvious....the issue you 'started' with is not the first New X-Men/Mutants. For an authentic historic read, you'd start with the real beginning.

[La Fea]

</p>
have to point out the obvious....the issue you 'started' with is not the first New X-Men/Mutants. For an authentic historic read, you'd start with the real beginning.

New X-Men #114?

[Pach!]

Marvel Graphic Novel #4! jp jp

[ChristosSoter]

Actually, I think he means New Mutants (vol. 1) #1

[pryde15]

Actually, I think he means New Mutants (vol. 1) #1

No. The New Mutants first appeared in Marvel Graphic Novel #4.

[RickyD410]

Well thank you, I enjoy it quite a bit. I was re-reading the old issues and this panel kinda jumped out at me. And through the power of Photoshop, I brought them as close as they should always be.
I always thought that Anole might have a bit of a crush on Hellion. I mean, I'm not a slash Hellion Anole shipper, and I know Anole knows that nothing would come of it, but I do think that Vic had a bit of a crush on his friend. They were very close, Hellion was popular, funny, good looking, powerful, and charismatic. Why wouldnt Vic have a little bit of a crush on him?
And regarding the people on the bus. I never understood why Callie was on it. Wasn't the bus for the kids whose families didn't want them back? If so, Callie's dad was a mutant, he was the school's gardener or something along those lines. I know he designed the hedge maze. So I never understood why he wouldn't have taken Callie back.
I thought that too. C&C maybe just didnt do all the research. To make it work, we can just say that her father was depowered as well, and that he was the one driving the bus.
</p>
have to point out the obvious....the issue you 'started' with is not the first New X-Men/Mutants. For an authentic historic read, you'd start with the real beginning.
Silly, we're not talking about THOSE series.

[ChristosSoter]

No. The New Mutants first appeared in Marvel Graphic Novel #4.
Ah, didn't know, sorry.

[pryde15]

I thought that too. C&C maybe just didnt do all the research. To make it work, we can just say that her father was depowered as well, and that he was the one driving the bus.

Yeah I didn't get that either, so I will just believe that it was a different Callie, and that Dryad is safe at home with her father :D

Even though I am almost positive that she was confirmed dead in the Funeral Issue :(

[podmark]

I thought that too. C&C maybe just didnt do all the research. To make it work, we can just say that her father was depowered as well, and that he was the one driving the bus.

Did Callie's father live on the grounds?

Another possible explanation is that Callie (like Sarah Vale) choose to stay at the school as long as Emma and Scott were willing to let her. Reasons why could have been the hope that they'd find a way to reverse the power loss, not wanting to leave their friends, or the simple fact that the Institute is a fully functional school and there was no real reason for anyone to leave (though it's understandable why most would). Following the attack on Icarus Emma and Scott decided that it was best to remove the remaining depowered kids from the school, I'd think they were hoping to save them from being collateral damage in a potential attack on the many mutants living on the grounds at the time. They couldn't have known Stryker would target the depowered kids.

[pryde15]

Did Callie's father live on the grounds?

Another possible explanation is that Callie (like Sarah Vale) choose to stay at the school as long as Emma and Scott were willing to let her. Reasons why could have been the hope that they'd find a way to reverse the power loss, not wanting to leave their friends, or the simple fact that the Institute is a fully functional school and there was no real reason for anyone to leave (though it's understandable why most would). Following the attack on Icarus Emma and Scott decided that it was best to remove the remaining depowered kids from the school, I'd think they were hoping to save them from being collateral damage in a potential attack on the many mutants living on the grounds at the time. They couldn't have known Stryker would target the depowered kids.

Yeah, her father was the grounds keeper, I believe.

[sephirothskiller]

I've gotta agree with the people who said they would rather have Sofia than Nori. Nori would have been a much better fit on the NW than Sofia would have. Every New Mutant but Elixir and Sofia should have been depowered, as should Tag have, and though I like Santo, he should have gone too.

I'm really concerned that we won't find out what happened to Elixir and Kevin now that New X-Men is kaput.

[Butters]

I've gotta agree with the people who said they would rather have Sofia than Nori. Nori would have been a much better fit on the NW than Sofia would have. Every New Mutant but Elixir and Sofia should have been depowered, as should Tag have, and though I like Santo, he should have gone too.

I'm really concerned that we won't find out what happened to Elixir and Kevin now that New X-Men is kaput.

Same here. I hope that the characters I like don't go to limbo, but hope is all we can do.

[RickyD410]

A few pages back, La Fea was posting some Sofia avatars that (s)he made. Here are some recent ones that I've made:

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1994/sofia1qc2.jpg http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5204/wallflower1bl0.jpg http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8378/dani1mn5.jpg http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/1751/hellion4xu6.jpg

And theres the one that I'm using now.

Hellion's a little fuzzy... I'm planning on using Dani next.

[Hi-Fi]

I'm pretty sure La Fea is a girl, Ricky. :)

[RickyD410]

I'm pretty sure La Fea is a girl, Ricky. :)

TOTALLY knew that. I was just testing you guys. Good job Hi-Fi. You passed! :D

[Butters]

TOTALLY knew that. I was just testing you guys. Good job Hi-Fi. You passed! :D

Meh, I have no idea of the genders of people. I assume Ricky is a boy, and anyone who has a boy username I assume is a boy. Everyone else I have no idea.

[RickyD410]

Meh, I have no idea of the genders of people. I assume Ricky is a boy, and anyone who has a boy username I assume is a boy. Everyone else I have no idea.

Yup. You assume correctly. I am a dude.

I kinda just assume everyone is a guy until proven otherwise. Which sounds silly, but the majority of posters on internet forums tend to be guys.

[Butters]

Yup. You assume correctly. I am a dude.

I kinda just assume everyone is a guy until proven otherwise. Which sounds silly, but the majority of posters on internet forums tend to be guys.

Not silly at all. I have pretty much the same criteria. Avatars don't mean anything, and usernames are rarely helpful.

[mikekerr3]

Yeah, that did always strike me as rather odd. In the case of characters like Surge and Elixir, it makes sense for the parents to not care. But for someone like Anole, I imagine there must have been some concern since they sent him to the university for his safety.

Perhaps Cyclops never contacted them unless one of their kids died? Who knows.

The same people would be hunting them if they were at home, with less back-up and no help. The school is a dangerous place, but alone is more dangerous,

[Butters]

The same people would be hunting them if they were at home, with less back-up and no help. The school is a dangerous place, but alone is more dangerous,

Yeah, it is much more dangerous on their own.... Which is why Cyclops told them all to beat it as soon as MC ended. At least, that is what I assume he did since there hasn't been an explanation yet.

[mikekerr3]

Yeah, it is much more dangerous on their own.... Which is why Cyclops told them all to beat it as soon as MC ended. At least, that is what I assume he did since there hasn't been an explanation yet.

I think that other plans were made, but thats just a guess. I don't think that Emma would approve of endangering her students by sending them out solo.

[podmark]

Cyclops: Ok kids, X-Men are disbanded, school's destroyed. Time to go home.
Surge: But the Purifiers will come after us!
Cyclops: Not my problem.
Wolfcub: I don't have a home.
Cyclops: Here's a tent.
Hellion: This is totally nuts!
*Cyclops blasts a warning shot at the kids
Cyclops: Out!
Loa: Professor Summers is a jerk!

[Butters]

Cyclops: Ok kids, X-Men are disbanded, school's destroyed. Time to go home.
Surge: But the Purifiers will come after us!
Cyclops: Not my problem.
Wolfcub: I don't have a home.
Cyclops: Here's a tent.
Hellion: This is totally nuts!
*Cyclops blasts a warning shot at the kids
Cyclops: Out!
Loa: Professor Summers is a jerk!

That is pretty much how I have been imagining it played out.

He seriously better have had a plan in mind for the kids. One that DIDN'T involve a bus.

[podmark]

That is pretty much how I have been imagining it played out.

He seriously better have had a plan in mind for the kids. One that DIDN'T involve a bus.

I've actually thought out a unofficial New X-Men 47 that would have the kids disbanding and going home. I'm still debating if it's worth while to actually write it.

We're still waiting to see what happens to the kids. Annoyingly the books haven't addressed this issue at all, and I'm going to be annoyed if they just sent everyone home. It's illogical on so many levels. I half hope there's an X-Force issue where the Purifiers take out one of the kids at their house because of this and Logan smacks Scott around for being an idiot.

[broodjeork]

I've actually thought out a unofficial New X-Men 47 that would have the kids disbanding and going home. I'm still debating if it's worth while to actually write it.

We're still waiting to see what happens to the kids. Annoyingly the books haven't addressed this issue at all, and I'm going to be annoyed if they just sent everyone home. It's illogical on so many levels. I half hope there's an X-Force issue where the Purifiers take out one of the kids at their house because of this and Logan smacks Scott around for being an idiot.

the only book where i would possibly hope that explains how the kids where sent home is in divided we stand.

[podmark]

the only book where i would possibly hope that explains how the kids where sent home is in divided we stand.

I should hope so. Doing a solo story for Anole and Gentle I'd hope they actually mention their status quo, but honestly they could avoid it there too.

I was hoping it would be mentioned in Uncanny. Just a quick line like "We sent the students home" or something. The only other book that logically should mention it is Young X-Men. There isn't much reason for X-Factor to mention it unless one of the kids ends up on the cast. Legacy seems to in a completely different place so such a mention would probably be illogical. It's possible a mention might show up eventually in X-Force considering X-23 is in it and it's written by Yost and Kyle. I kinda wonder if there's some secret plan for the New X-kids. Only 2 of them have a confirmed book, and those two, Dust and Rockslide are exactly the mainest kids.

[Pach!]

I should hope so. Doing a solo story for Anole and Gentle I'd hope they actually mention their status quo, but honestly they could avoid it there too.

I was hoping it would be mentioned in Uncanny. Just a quick line like "We sent the students home" or something. The only other book that logically should mention it is Young X-Men. There isn't much reason for X-Factor to mention it unless one of the kids ends up on the cast. Legacy seems to in a completely different place so such a mention would probably be illogical. It's possible a mention might show up eventually in X-Force considering X-23 is in it and it's written by Yost and Kyle. I kinda wonder if there's some secret plan for the New X-kids. Only 2 of them have a confirmed book, and those two, Dust and Rockslide are exactly the mainest kids.

3 w/X-23.

4 if you include Pixie (which although hasn't been confirmed has been highly suggested)

So with 4/9 we're almost half way there. Anole and Surge's status should be revealed in Divided we Stand putting us at 6 with Hellion, Mercury and Elixir not being accounted for. I could see Hellion going to the Initiative or New Warriors, and Mercury and Elixir getting Limboed.

[podmark]

Opps forgot about X. I purposely left out Pixie for now.

[ChristosSoter]

Just thought I'd let y'all know: Whoever agrees with the decision to depower and kill Tag is wrong.

That was the worst move C&C ever made.

[RickyD410]

Just thought I'd let y'all know: Whoever agrees with the decision to depower and kill Tag is wrong.

That was the worst move C&C ever made.

Nunzio said he always thought about making him come out to be gay eventually. Not as a boyfriend for Anole, just as another gay character.

[La Fea]

Just thought I'd let y'all know: Whoever agrees with the decision to depower and kill Tag is wrong.

That was the worst move C&C ever made.

He had a great design and he was a kid that everyone knew in high school, but his powers really killed his potential. Even Karma who has a more advanced version isn't even being used.

Its characters like Tag that make secondary mutations a useful, if not always good, plot device.

[ChristosSoter]

What is wrong with his powers? I thought they were really cool, not to mention unique.

[pryde15]

What is wrong with his powers? I thought they were really cool.

He had a very limited form of mind control. And regular mind control is pretty common, besides all the other Hellions had been developed more and had more interesting powers. And I doubt CC could get away with depowering atleast one member in every group, but the Hellions.

[ChristosSoter]

I don't understand you're last sentence.

But, regardless, Tag was awsome. He will be avenged!!!

[pryde15]

I don't understand you're last sentence.

But, regardless, Tag was awsome. He will be avenged!!!

If Tag was not depowered. Then the Hellions would be the only squad that did not have a depowered member. Which they probably couldn't get away with.

I thought he was kind of boring, his powers weren't interesting. Story-Wise, he was just the best friend that was seen but not heard. His death was meant to develop Julian's character, and I would say it worked.

[La Fea]

If Tag was not depowered. Then the Hellions would be the only squad that did not have a depowered member. Which they probably couldn't get away with.

I thought he was kind of boring, his powers weren't interesting. Story-Wise, he was just the best friend that was seen but not heard. His death was meant to develop Julian's character, and I would say it worked.

I think it developed Santo, but I expected a bit more from Julian.

[pryde15]

I think it developed Santo, but I expected a bit more from Julian.

:confused:

I don't remember Santo's reaction to his death, I will have to go reread that lol. But I do certainly remember his reaction to him being depowered :p

[Pach!]

:confused:

I don't remember Santo's reaction to his death, I will have to go reread that lol. But I do certainly remember his reaction to him being depowered :p

He froze during the attack and since then has been protective of his friends. He almost killed himself to save Cess or Julian (I think it was Hellion) and got pissed when Illyana was messin' around with the S'mores.

[La Fea]

He froze during the attack and since then has been protective of his friends. He almost killed himself to save Cess or Julian (I think it was Hellion) and got pissed when Illyana was messin' around with the S'mores.

Yeah, I actually liked him [Santo] for a bit there.

[pryde15]

He froze during the attack and since then has been protective of his friends. He almost killed himself to save Cess or Julian (I think it was Hellion) and got pissed when Illyana was messin' around with the S'mores.

I never thought about that, but you are right, he has been very protective of his friends since then.

[La Fea]

Is anyone going to summarize the next issue? It features The Reavers! and the debut! of! Elixir (errr...Joshua Foley)!!! Its one of my more favorite arcs of the series. :)

[Butters]

Is anyone going to summarize the next issue? It features The Reavers! and the debut! of! Elixir (errr...Joshua Foley)!!! Its one of my more favorite arcs of the series. :)

Indeed, one of my favs as well.

[Pach!]

Fea, are you doing it?

If not, I'll do it. Although mine won't have cool pictures and thus not as fun.

[pryde15]

I will post pictures :D

but I am too lazy to do the summary, lol.

[La Fea]

Fea, are you doing it?

If not, I'll do it. Although mine won't have cool pictures and thus not as fun.

Go ahead! My summaries stink anyway and are masked by my overload of pictures.

[Pach!]

Ok, I'll type it up and edit it here.

...typing...

[pryde15]

Donald Pierce, leader of the Reavers, describes what they are going to do, next. In which he cuts Elixir's hand.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0044.jpg

First showing of Josh's powers.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0045.jpg

Julian being a dick.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0046.jpg

David vs. Wolverine, Prodigy takes Logan down.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0047.jpg

[Pach!]

New Mutants Vol 2. #5

My TPB does not show the name of this issue so I shall call it Road trip to New York City! or The One where we meet Elixir

COVER.- A sexy karma taking a shower w/clothes and no water

ANYWAYS:

PREVIOUSLY IN NEW MUTANTS.- Sofia's mom died. Sad. Then Dani rescued her! She met Laurie. Dani took the job. She met up with Xian and found David. They came back to the mansion.


ISSUE SUMMARY.- We start out in good ol' NY. Donald Pierce, is talking to his new recruits. He tells them they are "being replaced by Homo Superior." He tell them he's faced them before and survived and proceeds to show how:his swiss army knife. Presto, a blade pops out of the wrist.

Josh now gets his first line ever. "Uh mr. Pierce. That's fug." well he doesn't exactly say that but he does say that he doesn't want that. He wants to be normal. Total burn for Pierce. Him thinking himself as part of the "normal group". So Pierce and Josh have their little back and forth which ends with Josh saying he needs to remain beautiful for the girls and Pierce cutting his hand. Crazy dude that Pierce. Anyways when Josh looks at his hand, he has no blood. He probably thinks Pierce is that good. After a little distraction, Pierce tells his Reavers that to lure those filthy muties out they need to go after their family and shows a picture of Sofia's dad (with her BFF Derek in the background)

Still in New York, Mr. I HATE MUTANTS aka Sofia's dad prohibits him of seeing Sofia. What a horrible bastard this dude.

At the institute, Xavier has a proposition for Shan. To be the sexy librarian all students dream of. And she says Yes. Oh Shan, if only you knew that you will be chained to that library :(. Then they go check up on David and Xavier informs him that there is a self defense class starting soon.

Self defense class taught by Logan. As Logan talks about stuff, Sofia informs Laurie that Derek called and wants to meet up! (We also get to see Anole's uglier and more deformed cousin Anolesque ) Then we get a cute little scene where we can clearly see how opposite Laurie and Sofia are. Sofia wants Laurie to sit next to Wither, but Laurie is to shy. David comes in and sits next to Wither but Hellion goes all *ss again and tells him to get away from the mutant w/the death touch. Logan then asks who wants to be an X-men. Only David doesn't raise his hand. So obviously Logan picks him. They spar, and David wins.

Lunch time! Wither, Prodigy, beautiful Sofia and Laurie are all eating together. Dani and Shan go to their table and decide to all go to New York City since Dani has to find a mutant and Sofia wants to meet up w/Derek. Awesomeness.

Then we see in parallel Derek getting ready to go meet Sofia while the Reavers get ready to kidnap the dad! Oh noes!

Sofia realizes Derek would never be late and something must be wrong, as Shan and Dani find out the mutant they're looking for is a reaver, and setting a trap for Sofia!
The New Mutants see the reavers and a fight ensues! Sofia uses the wind to cut one of the reavers, while Laurie tells her to chill. They go outside to the parking lot, and inside Josh sees his friend cut..and cures him. Thank god! But his reaver friend is disgusted and leaves. In the parking lot Wither wants Laurie to use her powers to make the reavers like them, but she's too scared... and now so is everyone else. The reavers run away but Wither is panicking too. He's taking his glove off. Lauria backs away slowly... right into Pierce's blade. Cliffhanger! OMG.


REVIEW.- I liked the issue. I think Sofia shines in this issue. We see how much she knows Derek, how secure in herself she is. And she uses her awesome powers. Hellion is a total ass. Sofia/Hellion -1 this issue.

Josh come across as a horribly shallow dude and the art helps. He is drawn like a total douche. Spiked hair, Ozzy shirt. I'd hate him.

Overall great issue. Some drama, some fun action!

[pryde15]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0048.jpg

Couldn't help but posting it

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0049.jpg

New Mutants fighting the Reavers.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0050.jpg

Elixir healing his best friend, who happens to hate mutants.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0051.jpg

Pierce killing Laurie, for the very first time.

[pryde15]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0001-5.jpg

Creative use of powers from Sofia :D

[Kid Icarus]

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/19000/18351/18351-107651-1-new-mutants_400.jpg

my sources say it was called

"Not one of Us"

Too bad Josh's soul patch didnt catch on

[La Fea]

REVIEW.- I liked the issue. I think Sofia shines in this issue. We see how much she knows Derek, how secure in herself she is. And she uses her awesome powers. Hellion is a total ass. Sofia/Hellion -1 this issue.

Josh come across as a horribly shallow dude and the art helps. He is drawn like a total douche. Spiked hair, Ozzy shirt. I'd hate him.

Overall great issue. Some drama, some fun action!

Josh even has the Adnan landing strip!

LOL great summary Andres and awesome scans, pryde! Great collaborative effort!

I had a lot of fun reading this again. Of the issues so far, I think this is the first issue to get better after all this time. The art is a little sketchy and rough around the edges but its so much more livelier than the art Keron had delivered previously.

I loved seeing the kids let loose and I didn't realize how adorable Karma's siblings were. LOL!

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/socanyouturngreen.jpg

Donald Pierce and the Reavers wwere a fun threat and Josh was a douche who was kinda funny because of it.

LOVE LOVE LOVE this issue.

[La Fea]

Couldn't help but posting it

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New Mutants fighting the Reavers.

Laurie was so cute then![/quote]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0001-5.jpg

Creative use of powers from Sofia :D

That's my ho!!! :D

[La Fea]

Wither centric avatars this issue:

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/avatars/wither3.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/avatars/wither2.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/avatars/wither1.jpg

[La Fea]

And of course, it wouldnt be me without That Girl, plus what I thought was a neat Reavers logo.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/avatars/winddancer3.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/avatars/winddancer1.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/avatars/winddancer2.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/avatars/reavers1.jpg

[Kid Icarus]

The whole gang is finally together!
Well accept for surge, but when I first read these
she felt very spearate from the rest of the group

[pryde15]

those are great, La Fea!

Anyways here is a character who didn't appear, Rubbermaid!

[La Fea]

The whole gang is finally together!
Well accept for surge, but when I first read these
she felt very spearate from the rest of the group

I think that was intentional. I believe N&C intended for her to leave shortly after (or maybe that was Wither).

[pryde15]

I think that was intentional. I believe N&C intended for her to leave shortly after (or maybe that was Wither).


It was Wither, they planned to have him leave the book, but he turned out to be popular, so he returned.

[La Fea]

It was Wither, they planned to have him leave the book, but he turned out to be popular, so he returned.

That's a shame. At this point in the book, I really like the dynamics that are already setting into play. I could've lived with these as the core 4. I like the upcoming members (except Icarus) but they really turned the angst up a bit too much, a bit too fast.

I'm really surprised at how much I'm liking Wither the 2nd time around. I've kinda always hated him before.

[podmark]

I think that was intentional. I believe N&C intended for her to leave shortly after (or maybe that was Wither).

I believe Surge was supposed to appear much earlier but Marvel changed their plans.

[ChristosSoter]

I love Surge.

[pryde15]

I believe Surge was supposed to appear much earlier but Marvel changed their plans.

It seems that marvel changed ALOT of NC's plans, but having Surge not appear till later, is fine with me.

[Kid Icarus]

Speaking of Karma's cute little siblings I made these from Mekanix I just finished reading

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/twins3.jpg http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/twins2.jpg http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/twins.jpg http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/twin4.jpg

[RickyD410]

The whole gang is finally together!
Well accept for surge, but when I first read these
she felt very spearate from the rest of the group
Yeah, that was on purpose. She is supposed to be separate from everyone else. She was only close with David and Jay. She was never a close friend of Laurie, Josh, or Sofia. N&C wrote her that way.
I think that was intentional. I believe N&C intended for her to leave shortly after (or maybe that was Wither).
Yeah, that was Wither. They always planned on just writing him out, but the people at their forums liked him so much, they convinced N&C to bring him back for Academy X.
I believe Surge was supposed to appear much earlier but Marvel changed their plans.
Yup. She was supposed to show up in the first arc with everyone else, but Marvel said no.
It seems that marvel changed ALOT of NC's plans, but having Surge not appear till later, is fine with me.
Chyeah. Marvel changed practically all of N&C's plots. The Sean Garrison arc (which was FINALLY set up just as N&C were booted) was originally supposed to be in New Mutants.

N&C wanted this book to be all actiony, but Marvel wouldnt let them. They said they just wanted a character drama about high school. So thats what N&C gave them. And then around House of M, Marvel said "Yo, N&C, you guys only know how to write high school drama, so we need you to leave the book for other authors who know how to write action, which is what we want this book to be now."

Big WTF moment there.

[pryde15]

Speaking of Karma's cute little siblings I made these from Mekanix I just finished reading

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/twins3.jpg http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/twins2.jpg http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/twins.jpg http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/twin4.jpg

lol those are great as well

Was Mekanix good? I thought about buying it, but ended up not doing it.

[La Fea]

Speaking of Karma's cute little siblings I made these from Mekanix I just finished reading

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/twins3.jpg http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/twins2.jpg http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/twins.jpg http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/mrcassandranova/twin4.jpg

Adorable!

How was Mekanix?

Yeah, that was Wither. They always planned on just writing him out, but the people at their forums liked him so much, they convinced N&C to bring him back for Academy X.

To return later as a villain or something or just plain written out?

Yup. She was supposed to show up in the first arc with everyone else, but Marvel said no.

It is a lot of characters being juggled around. I can see their point there.

N&C wanted this book to be all actiony, but Marvel wouldnt let them. They said they just wanted a character drama about high school. So thats what N&C gave them. And then around House of M, Marvel said "Yo, N&C, you guys only know how to write high school drama, so we need you to leave the book for other authors who know how to write action, which is what we want this book to be now."

Big WTF moment there.

I really liked how they did handle the action in the book. If there's one complaint I have, I wish they would've done more high fun, high action adventures before it got really dark and deathly.

[Kid Icarus]

lol those are great as well

Was Mekanix good? I thought about buying it, but ended up not doing it.

It was fun. It seemed like a fan service to people who were missing Kitty Pryde as it was all about her. I have yet to find out why it was actually called Mekanix, but it was nice.

And the Kitty/Karma love thingy was alluded to in one tiny panel of issue 4 or 5
and never mentioned again. It felt strange that Shan would even think anything of it.

[ChristosSoter]

Yeah, that was Wither. They always planned on just writing him out, but the people at their forums liked him so much, they convinced N&C to bring him back for Academy X.

Did they have a replacement in mind? For the squads?

[La Fea]

Did they have a replacement in mind? For the squads?

I think there were going to be five-person squads, which would've been better IMO and would've given the "Choosing Sides" arc more stakes.

I blame Icarus for everything! The inferior initial Academy X arcs, the bus, everything!

[pryde15]

Did they have a replacement in mind? For the squads?

I am almost positive it was Specter, originally. But they later changed it to Wither, and then planned on bringing Dallas in after HoM

[RickyD410]

To return later as a villain or something or just plain written out?
Just plain written out. N&C were very open to fan's opinions on their forums. Alot of fans came up with names for certain characters. Anole, Pixie (and fans came up with the idea for Pixie's halucinatory dust), and a few others as well.
Did they have a replacement in mind? For the squads?
Nope. The group was going to be David, Sofia, Laurie, Josh, and Nori. I think that editorial mandated that Icarus show up. Thats why he appeared in Academy X, and not in New Mutants.
I am almost positive it was Specter, originally. But they later changed it to Wither, and then planned on bringing Dallas in after HoM
Yeah, for the Hellions. Originally Wither was a New Mutant, and then he joined the Hellions after fans requested that he come back. N&C decided to stick him there, because they knew Icarus had to be on the New Mutants.

[La Fea]

Just plain written out. N&C were very open to fan's opinions on their forums. Alot of fans came up with names for certain characters. Anole, Pixie (and fans came up with the idea for Pixie's halucinatory dust), and a few others as well.

Nope. The group was going to be David, Sofia, Laurie, Josh, and Nori. I think that editorial mandated that Icarus show up. Thats why he appeared in Academy X, and not in New Mutants.

Yeah, for the Hellions. Originally Wither was a New Mutant, and then he joined the Hellions after fans requested that he come back. N&C decided to stick him there, because they knew Icarus had to be on the New Mutants.

See?

Everything is Icarus' fault!

[Mr. Eymed]

If I'm not mistaken, I think I remember N&C saying that ultimately, had they stayed on, Wither (a guy with a death touch) would end up being a hero while Elixir (a guy capable of healing and so much more) would end up being a villain. I always liked that idea, as I loved Wither from the first time I read about him. I hope we get to see him again some day, and that he doesn't die in the process.

I miss Nunzio and Christina's old forum, back when there was a site dedicated to New Mutants and then New X-Men: AX. I loved that they were so interactive with the book's fans, and always took time to answer our sometimes irrelevant questions about anyone and anything related to their books.

[ChristosSoter]

They should be brought back to salvage what they can of that book. Have Elixer repower a few students, then reinstate the squads.

[RickyD410]

Hey guys, I was looking around Nunzio and Christina's website, and I found these two pages. Theyre really interesting. Its Nunzio and Christina explaining the entire creative process of making New Mutants! The first link is to Issues 1-6, and the second link is to issues 7-13.

http://weirdefilippis.com/nm_bts.html

http://weirdefilippis.com/nm2nd_series.html

I dont think they have an Academy X page, but if they do, I'll post it.

These stories are really interesting! Marvel is CRAZY.

[Butters]

If I'm not mistaken, I think I remember N&C saying that ultimately, had they stayed on, Wither (a guy with a death touch) would end up being a hero while Elixir (a guy capable of healing and so much more) would end up being a villain. I always liked that idea, as I loved Wither from the first time I read about him. I hope we get to see him again some day, and that he doesn't die in the process.

I miss Nunzio and Christina's old forum, back when there was a site dedicated to New Mutants and then New X-Men: AX. I loved that they were so interactive with the book's fans, and always took time to answer our sometimes irrelevant questions about anyone and anything related to their books.

I disagree on the first part. I am very glad that the "Elixir bad, Wither good" thing did not happen.

And yeah, N&C were cool.

[pryde15]

I disagree on the first part. I am very glad that the "Elixir bad, Wither good" thing did not happen.

And yeah, N&C were cool.

I think it could've been an interesting development, but we had already seen Elixir as the bad guy, so I would've liked them to develop him more as a hero.

[hugekent]

I'm loving these threads. How long ago did these come out, and have most of you already read them?

[david r]

Donald Pierce, leader of the Reavers, describes what they are going to do, next. In which he cuts Elixir's hand.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0044.jpg

Those Reavers are some bad people! They beat the holy hell out of Wolverine, and nearly killed him. So I suspect the new mutants would have a hard time with them, especially Donald Pierce.

[La Fea]

I'm loving these threads. How long ago did these come out, and have most of you already read them?

They came out in 2003 and I really can't believe its been that long! Fifth year anniversary this year!

[RickyD410]

I'm loving these threads. How long ago did these come out, and have most of you already read them?
I've read them all. And I own them all. Well, except for issues 24-36, cus I hated it then. But everything else I own and <3.

[Butters]

I've read them all. And I own them all. Well, except for issues 24-36, cus I hated it then. But everything else I own and <3.

The first half of C&C's run was pretty crappy IMO.

[RickyD410]

The first half of C&C's run was pretty crappy IMO.

Oh ya. Mercury Rising was a little better, but it really got good when Skottie came on board.

[That JonoGuy]

Hey guys, I was looking around Nunzio and Christina's website, and I found these two pages. Theyre really interesting. Its Nunzio and Christina explaining the entire creative process of making New Mutants! The first link is to Issues 1-6, and the second link is to issues 7-13.

http://weirdefilippis.com/nm_bts.html

http://weirdefilippis.com/nm2nd_series.html

I dont think they have an Academy X page, but if they do, I'll post it.

These stories are really interesting! Marvel is CRAZY.

Thanks for bringing these links to our attention.

It's nice to know that the extremely slow paced first arc of New Mutants wasn't something the writers were originally going for. It is a bit of a shame since the initial idea sounded much better than what we actually got.

[Butters]

Oh ya. Mercury Rising was a little better, but it really got good when Skottie came on board.

Agreed. When Skottie came on board, they finally decided "OK, killing a bunch of kids in a bus gave us a boner. Shooting Wallflower in the face gave us a MASSIVE boner, and it was made even better by killing Quill for no real reason. But killing Mammomax only gave us a minor boner, so that probably means we should lay off with killing and actually let them interact or something. Oh, and maybe instead of killing all those background kids, we could give them some sort of... uh... character development... I guess."

Also, art was always kind of an issue with the book (and that goes all the way back to New Mutants). With Skottie, I felt like the book finally had good, consistent art that complimented the book well.

[RickyD410]

Also, art was always kind of an issue with the book (and that goes all the way back to New Mutants). With Skottie, I felt like the book finally had good, consistent art that complimented the book well.
My favorite artists on the book are Michael Ryan, Carlo Pagulayan, and Skottie Young. Definitely.

Carlo Pagulayan only drew one fill-in issue, #9, the last ish of the "Haunted" arc. But it was GORGEOUS. He draws my favorite Julian ever.

[That JonoGuy]

My favorite artists on the book are Michael Ryan, Carlo Pagulayan, and Skottie Young. Definitely.

Carlo Pagulayan only drew one fill-in issue, #9, the last ish of the "Haunted" arc. But it was GORGEOUS. He draws my favorite Julian ever.

Those are my favorites for the book as well. Ryan really gave the book a great new feel with his art. It was a shame that he was taken off rather quickly. Skottie Young was the one who really cemented the look of the book for me. I hadn't been a fan of his New Warriors book, but he fit right in with the New X-Men kids.

[pryde15]

Michael Ryan & Skottie Young were easily my favorites.

[Kid Icarus]

Michael Ryan & Skottie Young were easily my favorites.

Ryan felt like a breath of fresh air, but I felt like his faces looked very similar. Skottie gave everyone their own distinct look which was really nice

[pryde15]

Ryan felt like a breath of fresh air, but I felt like his faces looked very similar. Skottie gave everyone their own distinct look which was really nice

Yeah the faces were very similiar, but you can thank Ryan for the original concept for the majority of the kids.

[RickyD410]

Yeah the faces were very similiar, but you can thank Ryan for the original concept for the majority of the kids.

Thats true. He created Loa! Her name, her look, her powers, everything! He created a few others as well. Indra for sure, and I think Trance as well. Probably others.

And dont forget the Veiny Kid! I always wondered about him... he was in the background of practically every scene, lol.

[podmark]

The latter half of C&C's run was their best stuff but I liked the first half too.

Hmm fav artists?
1. Young - he redefined each and ever character so and won me over as a fan.
2. Clay Henry - loved the art in the Hellions mini. I wish we'd seen him draw the other kids.
3. Mark Brooks - Brooks is a fav of mine, but he overuses faces and has a bit of squareness to his characters. Still I loved his 4 issues.
4. Paco Medina - His 2nd stint was pretty good. He had the hooker factor with most of his girls, but I loved his David.
5. Michael Ryan - who deserves alot of credit for designing alot of the kids. Plus his work was very nice and clean, good with drawing kids.

[Kid Icarus]

Thats true. He created Loa! Her name, her look, her powers, everything! He created a few others as well. Indra for sure, and I think Trance as well. Probably others.

And dont forget the Veiny Kid! I always wondered about him... he was in the background of practically every scene, lol.

He did create Indra but I still like Skotties version better, without the lines on his face where the armor comes out of.

And I forgot about Vein McVeinster
I wonder what his powers were

[pryde15]

Thats true. He created Loa! Her name, her look, her powers, everything! He created a few others as well. Indra for sure, and I think Trance as well. Probably others.

And dont forget the Veiny Kid! I always wondered about him... he was in the background of practically every scene, lol.

He orignally created Pixie & Preview, I know that :D

[La Fea]

Favorite NXM artists:
1-- Skottie Young - he was so imaginative with his art I don't think I would like these kids half as much without him.

2-- Clayton Henry - I thought his art was perfect for the Hellions. It was very clean and very youthful and he's the only artist whose Mercury I liked.

3-- Paco Medina - The big noses were a problem during N&C's run and big boobs were a problem in C&C's run, but he was one of the more dynamic artists the book had.

4-- Mark Brooks - Good art and some really great angles, but the wide eyes and some of the bone structures bothered me.

5-- Mark A. Robinson - it was a fill-in issue and it was a little rough, but it was pretty fun.

Props to Michael Ryan for his designs, but I thought his art was probably the most pedestrian of them all.

The first half of C&C's run was pretty crappy IMO.

I agree. Before QFM, I liked a total of two issues.

[Hi-Fi]

I loved C&C's first year in NXM. It was such a breath of fresh air. N&C's run was kinda boring to me for most of the time.

[Pach!]

I loved C&C's first year in NXM. It was such a breath of fresh air. N&C's run was kinda boring to me for most of the time.

I completely agree. I could have done without the whole Jay subplot but I was reading the script for 24. What a beautiful yet sad issue.

[ChristosSoter]

I hate, hate, hate Young's Hellion, and his Wolfcub.

Everyone else of his was FANTASTIC! Especially Pixie.

[pryde15]

I hate, hate, hate Young's Hellion, and his Wolfcub.

Everyone else of his was FANTASTIC! Especially Pixie.

lemme guess, because he made his hair match his mood? :p

[podmark]

I hate, hate, hate Young's Hellion, and his Wolfcub.

Everyone else of his was FANTASTIC! Especially Pixie.

I didn't like his David until he redesigned him in his last issue.

I've never decided if I like his Wolfcub.

[pryde15]

I didn't like his David until he redesigned him in his last issue.

I've never decided if I like his Wolfcub.

I liked his Wolf Cub, I also like the other version as well, so it wasn't that big of a deal.

[That JonoGuy]

I hate, hate, hate Young's Hellion, and his Wolfcub.

Everyone else of his was FANTASTIC! Especially Pixie.

I can understand the feeling. Hellion's look changed radically under Young. I was initially thrown off with it myself.

[ChristosSoter]

His hair grew like a foot in one isue

[La Fea]

Previous issues:
Issue 5 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6358728&postcount=172)
Issue 4 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6348290&postcount=49)
Issue 3 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6341784&postcount=36)
Issue 2 (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=6328465&postcount=2)
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NEW MUTANTS V2. #6 (Cover (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/newmutants2-6.jpg))
"(Just Like) Starting Over"
Written by: Nunzio DeFilippis & Christina Weir
Pencils by: Mark A. Robinson
Edited by: C.B. Cebulski

The Reavers who had kidnapped Walter Barrett (Sofia's father) and his butler, Derek, want to help out their fellow Reavers in the battle from last issue. The two hostages have an opportunity to escape, which Walter plans to take, but Derek wants to help Sofia.

Derek: Mr. Barrett, go before they come back.
Walter Barrett: You're coming with me, Derek.
Derek: I'll be alright, Mr. Barrett. I've got to go help Sofia.
Walter Barrett: You'll do no such thing. You'll stay with me and keep me safe.
Derek: Go to hell, Mr. Barrett

Even when he's getting rough, he still calls him Mr. Barrett. That's class.

Derek does some butler kung-fu and helps out the tornado ballerina. All the fighting is interuppted from some mind control of sorts.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/calvary.jpg

We return to a dying, maybe dead, Laurie, and Donald Pierce taunting Mr. Death Touch.

Donald Pierce: Now what do we do with you?
Kevin Ford: You do nothing.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/uhohwither.jpg

Danielle Moonstar notices Kevin decaying FACE and forces him to stop with a harsh illusion.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/harshillusions.jpg

Kevin's relieved to find the illusion wasn't real.

Danielle Moonstar: Put your damn gloves on.

Damn right, girl!

Meanwhile, Mr. Reaver Healing Hands Lad puts his hands on Laurie's wounds.

Josh: Now let's see if I can make this work.

Laurie awakes and the two blondes have a cute little introduction (http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/uhhiyourself.jpg).

Danielle reluctantly offers Josh enrollment at Xavier's, but he does the whole denial "I'm not a mutie" thing and I don't want to be a "freak" or what not. Whatever, dude.

Back in Queens, NY, Josh is walking done a lonely sidewalk home. A group of his Reaver friends, including his friend Duncan, are waiting for him at his doorstep. His parents look through the window as Josh is beat up by the three guys. Josh reaches out to his parents but they leave the window.

At the institute, the students return and they are greeted by Professor X and Laurie's hippie mother. You can't see through her shades for a reason. Professor's keen observation skills are put to the test when he notices Danielle didn't bring back a new student with her. She explains what happened with Josh, but is more concerned about Kevin and having been forced to use her power on him. The Professor suggests she talk to him.

Remorseful, Danielle apologizes to Kevin, whose seen packing his bags. He thinks she was right to make him see that illusion and he now sees that he can't be at Xavier's until he learns to control his powers. Danielle wants him to stay, but Kevin says:

"We can't make it work. When I had my hands on Pierce, it felt good. It felt natural.

Danielle tries to stop him but Kevin gives his goodbyes.

The other kids are chillin' in the front yard until they're greeted by Joshua at the gates trying to be let in.

David: I thought you didn't want to join the freakshow.
Josh: My friends...they attacked me.
David: Yeah, bigots will do that.

Josh whines about how he saved Laurie's life, blah blah blah, his parents kicked him out, whine whine whine. But of course, Sofia can relate and her big anime eyes show sympathy for the guy.

Danielle tells the professor about Kevin leaving, which sucks, since they bought all that metal furniture for nothing. Fortunately, the Professor likes to recycle. Danielle doesn't think its funny, and wants to stop recruiting kids because she screwed up Kevin's life. She walks away rather distressed. After she leaves, Sofia arrives to introduce the Professor to someone...

We see Danielle working her aggression out in the danger room, beating up all of Sparta. She's interuppted by Karma (whose sporting a sexy, long black dress btw).

Karma: The Danger Room is for training. Not therapy.
Moonstar: I'm multi-tasking.

The two old friends do the two old friends talking thing while dodging attacks from ancient warriors.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/greymalkin_ln/constructive.jpg

Karma urges Dani that the kids need her, but she is clearly still shooken up over Kevin.

In the dormitories we find out that Josh was blessed to be roomed with David. David is not ready to just become friends. Josh wants some sympathy, but David is rightfully bitchy. Josh wants to know what its like to be a mutant and David brings in the race equation into it.

Josh: Why are you being like this? It's not like I'm a racist.
David: Yeah, you are. Am I supposed to feel better that you only hate me because I'm a mutant? Not because I'm black?

Good point, guy. That goes for you homophobes out there, too!

The issue ends with Dani trying to leave but being ambushed by her little brats. The Professor and Karma let the kids choose their advisors and of course they all pick Dani. That's rather cunty of them. Thus Danielle stays and the birth of the squad concludes.

END.

Appearances by:
Donald Pierce

Joshua Foley
Laurie Collins
Sofia Mantega
David Alleyne
Kevin Ford

Professor X

Danielle Moonstar
Karma

Nga and Leong Manh
Mr. and Mrs. Foley
Duncan and two Reaver fiends
Walter Barrett
Derek the Butler (no last name given :-()
Ms. Collins

Review

Like I said, this is one of my favorite arcs. I enjoyed seeing the kids be funny, get into action, and really start to interact with each other (even if the David/Josh angst lasts a bit too long).

[Hi-Fi]

This was a good issue. I really love the talk between Shan and Dani in the Danger Room. Kevin should have stayed. I really like him.

[Butters]

This was a good issue. I really love the talk between Shan and Dani in the Danger Room. Kevin should have stayed. I really like him.

He was alright at first. He ended up just annoying the hell out of me once he came back though.

[ChristosSoter]

I hated him because of the way he treated Mercury.

[La Fea]

He was alright at first. He ended up just annoying the hell out of me once he came back though.

I agree. Other than Too Much Information and the Blob arcs, I really didn't like Academy X.
I also liked the Northstar issue. And House of M. But not most of Choosing Sides and definitely not Haunted.

Gosh, I seem to dislike so much. I don't like this negativity in me!

This was a good issue. I really love the talk between Shan and Dani in the Danger Room. Kevin should have stayed. I really like him.

Me, too! I'm so used to seeing her as simply the librarian, I wasn't used to seeing her doing and stuff and being neat. :D

I hated him because of the way he treated Mercury.

Eh, I would've been annoyed with her, too. It's like, uncling for a bit, hun.

[ChristosSoter]

lemme guess, because he made his hair match his mood? :p
No, his hair did not match his mood. For the last time, HELLION IS NOT EMO.

Now record yourself saying that, and listen to it all night.

[broodjeork]

No, his hair did not match his mood. For the last time, HELLION IS NOT EMO.

Now record yourself saying that, and listen to it all night.

so.........
all he needs is a hair cut?:confused:

damn, it was that simple:p

[RickyD410]

No, his hair did not match his mood. For the last time, HELLION IS NOT EMO.

Hellion = Emo. Hes depressed and whiny and sad. He is totally emo. He wasnt always emo, and you can say you liked him better in Academy X, but he definitely is emo now. Either you havent read this book since issue #24, or youre in denial.

[RickyD410]

Oman, you'll never guess what I just read over at N&C's old forum. Ya know Bubblegum? THey wanted to use him in Academy X! Well, maybe. They asked Randy Green who was drawing the first issue of Academy X to draw in Bubblegum, but the person he drew looked nothing like how Bubblegum should look, so they let the character drop. But they wanted him in Academy X too!

[Kid Icarus]

Oman, you'll never guess what I just read over at N&C's old forum. Ya know Bubblegum? THey wanted to use him in Academy X! Well, maybe. They asked Randy Green who was drawing the first issue of Academy X to draw in Bubblegum, but the person he drew looked nothing like how Bubblegum should look, so they let the character drop. But they wanted him in Academy X too!

:eek:

egadd
think of what could have been

[pryde15]

No, his hair did not match his mood. For the last time, HELLION IS NOT EMO.

Now record yourself saying that, and listen to it all night.

Then you obviously do not know the character you claim to be your favorite, stop having a hissy fit about characters that fit the norm, thats how you piss people off.

[ChristosSoter]

Then you obviously do not know the character you claim to be your favorite, stop having a hissy fit about characters that fit the norm, thats how you piss people off.
What makes you think that Hellion is my favorite?

[pryde15]

What makes you think that Hellion is my favorite?

Because your avatar is of Hellion, and you talk about him all the time on these threads, and ask for pictures of him. I obviously do that same with Trance, but you make it pretty obvious that he is one of your favorites, if not your favorite.

[Kid Icarus]

i feeel some feist

[ChristosSoter]

Because your avatar is of Hellion, and you talk about him all the time on these threads, and ask for pictures of him. I obviously do that same with Trance, but you make it pretty obvious that he is one of your favorites, if not your favorite.
*sigh*

It's so hard to come across as sarcastic when you're typing.

[pryde15]

*sigh*

It's so hard to come across as sarcastic when you're typing.

Use italics, to convey sarcasm.

[Kid Icarus]

so...um...o!
Did you see the half coloured Rubbermaid, Pryde?

[ChristosSoter]

Works for me.

[pryde15]

so...um...o!
Did you see the half coloured Rubbermaid, Pryde?

Nope, what thread is it?!?!??! I'll go look lol.

[ChristosSoter]

I did I loved it. You two work well together.

[pryde15]

I did I loved it. You two work well together.

Thank You, Kid Icarus is an amazing colorist :D

[Kid Icarus]

bah
colour would be nothing without your perfect lines to hold it in