does rogue work better as a villan?

[Callisto]

i always adored rogue as a villan. especially when she would kiss her enemies then toss em afterwards. she was so seductive yet evil yet brawlin i luv it! now shes jus...BLAH i don't even know how to describe. I MISS THE OLD ROGUE

[darksaint124]

i always adored rogue as a villan. especially when she would kiss her enemies then toss em afterwards. she was so seductive yet evil yet brawlin i luv it! now shes jus...BLAH i don't even know how to describe. I MISS THE OLD ROGUE

I just liked when she almost finished Carol(as I can't stand her)other than that she works better with the X-men.

[kury-bop]

I enjoy evil Rogue better. /nods. To me, she had more depth when she was with the Brotherhood When she's part of the X-Men, she's just... slightly annoying. She's kind of whiny and useless. Okay, maybe not useless, but whiny for sure. Hah.

[frog]

No, I don't think Rogue works better as a villian.

One of the most compelling aspects of Rogue's power/curse is that she can't touch another without serious consequences. When she's a villian that power simply a weapon, not a tragic aspect of her character.

Rogue is also one of the best examples in the mutant ranks of someone who has turned her life around from a bad start.

I've enjoyed her friendships with the X-Men and wouldn't want to see that go away. She doesn't need to return to villiany.

[The Black Guardian]

Considering that for the past 25 or so years, she's been one of the single best heroines that Marvel has ever had, I'm going to say, "No. She doesn't work as a villain at all."

Not to diss Ms. Marvel, but seriously, with the same powers, she was 100 times the hero that Carol Danvers has ever been.

[Babylon23]

Rogue definitely works better as a reformed hero.

Now Mystique on the other hand...

[ZNOP]

Really. how much villainy has Rogue caused in the past? Nope. She is a much better written as a heroine.

[kraiden]

Considering that for the past 25 or so years, she's been one of the single best heroines that Marvel has ever had, I'm going to say, "No. She doesn't work as a villain at all."

Not to diss Ms. Marvel, but seriously, with the same powers, she was 100 times the hero that Carol Danvers has ever been.

take away miss marvels powers and shes not a great heroine...

actually if you think about it... since she supposidly has been freed of all powers and memories. she SHOULD be a villan since she dosent have carols hero aspect in her... and she should also have no flight stregnth or invulnerability since those were miss marvels powers she took.

I dunno about you but id be bitter and turn to crim if I went from super pimp to wimp.

[Jeff-X]

actually if you think about it... since she supposidly has been freed of all powers and memories. she SHOULD be a villan since she dosent have carols hero aspect in her... and she should also have no flight stregnth or invulnerability since those were miss marvels powers she took.

Would that really matter? It's not like Ms. Marvel's persona has been controlling her all these years. Sure it might have helped her reform but I can't imagine that's the only thing that's kept her an X-Man. If a man spends years with amnesia, falls in love and marries someone, does he automatically not love his wife when suddenly he wakes up one day and the amnesia is gone?

She hasn't had the flight or invulnerability in a while, although she was running around with Sunfire's flight powers for a bit recently.

[frog]

take away miss marvels powers and shes not a great heroine...

actually if you think about it... since she supposidly has been freed of all powers and memories. she SHOULD be a villan since she dosent have carols hero aspect in her... and she should also have no flight stregnth or invulnerability since those were miss marvels powers she took.

I dunno about you but id be bitter and turn to crim if I went from super pimp to wimp.

What makes a great hero is not the powers but what he or she does with what he or she has. Someone who turns criminal just because they lost some abilities was never heroic in the first place. Rogue didn't turn into a hero merely because she absorbed that part of Carol, and what I've read of Carol doesn't indicate Carol has that strong of a heroic personality to begin with - see how she treated Rogue in their most recent encounter for proof.

Rogue has more strength of character than to go bad again just because of a power downgrade and she hasn't been freed of all powers. She still absorbs psyches and I'd assume mutant powers along with them. There is plenty she can do with those abilities.

[rZi]

I like Rogue enough to have her as hero or villian, i just think alot of fans who like her more would be really annoyed to have her change sides. I think thats why her relationship with gambit work, he was alwasy grey and she was always white (as apose to black)

[Novaya Havoc]

No!!!!!1!!!!1!!

[Hi-Fi]

No. Rogue's a heroine. A heroine with a bad past, sure, but still a heroine.

[Papa Moai]

Rogue works just fine as a heroine. She just needs to more of that tomboy/badass attitude she had in the 80's.

[Deus ex Chris]

and what I've read of Carol doesn't indicate Carol has that strong of a heroic personality to begin with
Then you obviously haven't read much of Ms. Marvel.

Anyway, Rogue could conceivably work as a villain again. My problems come when writers take Rogue's absorption abilities away or attempt to move her in the direction of control. The character loses gravitas and impetus when that happens. She has to have those issues with her powers. That's the heart of the concept.

[rwsmith]

I wouldn't mind seeing her on some new incarnation of the Brotherhood. This new group wouldn't really be evil per se (definitely not any more so than X-Force), but rather just a bit more reckless in their actions. Plus they don't answer to Cyclops, which perhaps puts them at odds with the X-men from time to time.

Throw a few former X-men on this new Brotherhood team and it could be pretty cool. I'm thinking Rogue, Northstar, Toad, Blob, Sunfire, etc.

[frog]

Then you obviously haven't read much of Ms. Marvel.



I read enough to find that I do not care for her and do not believe that her psyche in Rogue was the basis for heroism on the part of Rogue.

[Deus ex Chris]

I read enough to find that I do not care for her and do not believe that her psyche in Rogue was the basis for heroism on the part of Rogue.
Well, I think it's possible that it was, but that isn't entirely what you said to begin with. Ms. Marvel is definitely heroic--easily as heroic as Rogue.

Edit: Hasn't it been suggested in the comics that Carol's psyche was responsible for the heroism in Rogue? Didn't Claremont introduce that idea way back when?

[Hi-Fi]

What would be the reasoning of Rogue changing sides? She's one of the most loyal to the dream. It wouldn't make any sense.

[Deus ex Chris]

What would be the reasoning of Rogue changing sides? She's one of the most loyal to the dream. It wouldn't make any sense.
Her power issues have pushed her to the brink before. I could see her getting swept away by the desire to touch, even if it means harming others. That's not to say I think that should happen because I don't--just that I think it's possible.

[jmc247]

What would be the reasoning of Rogue changing sides? She's one of the most loyal to the dream. It wouldn't make any sense.

What dream? As far as I can tell Cyke isn't following 'the dream' anymore.

[rwsmith]

Exactly. Rogue and some former X-men form their own team. They feel that Cyclops is a hypocrite (and they might be right), which sparks some great debates on message boards everywhere! ;)

[Hi-Fi]

Her power issues have pushed her to the brink before. I could see her getting swept away by the desire to touch, even if it means harming others. That's not to say I think that should happen because I don't--just that I think it's possible.
Rogue had the chance of getting rid of her powers a couple of times and she's always decided to come back to the X-Men and regain those powers voluntarily.

What dream? As far as I can tell Cyke isn't following 'the dream' anymore.
But Rogue is. Rogue is not Cyclops.

[Deus ex Chris]

Rogue had the chance of getting rid of her powers a couple of times and she's always decided to come back to the X-Men and regain those powers voluntarily.
The desire to touch is something she's always struggled with and still struggles with. People sometimes lose their struggles. That's all I'm saying.

[GoingGreen]

But Rogue is. Rogue is not Cyclops.

Wait... didn't Scott like JUST deviate from this 'dream'... and Rogue was all angry-grr-mutant with the hecatomb and death touch, got shot by her mom, and was in a coma until the end of January, so... Rogue hasn't had a chance to prove whether she's going for the 'dream' or not.

[Hi-Fi]

Wait... didn't Scott like JUST deviate from this 'dream'... and Rogue was all angry-grr-mutant with the hecatomb and death touch, got shot by her mom, and was in a coma until the end of January, so... Rogue hasn't had a chance to prove whether she's going for the 'dream' or not.
She's going for the dream.

[frog]

I don't forsee Rogue changing sides now. She was pushed to the brink once again by her contact with the Hecatomb but managed to keep herself together and keep her team first in her concerns. She has a strong will and attributing her own heroism to Carol just makes what she's accomplished invalid. I don't buy that. Rogue is much more than the sum of other people's personas.

[Hi-Fi]

Rogue's heroism has nothing to do with Carol's. Especially because they were two separate entities inside Rogue's head, so one was not an influence to the other at any point.

[La Fea]

Exactly. Rogue and some former X-men form their own team. They feel that Cyclops is a hypocrite (and they might be right), which sparks some great debates on message boards everywhere! ;)

Another correct opinion from rwsmith!

[Deus ex Chris]

Rogue's heroism has nothing to do with Carol's. Especially because they were two separate entities inside Rogue's head, so one was not an influence to the other at any point.
Didn't Claremont suggest that maybe it did, though? I know he never said explicitly that it was the case, but I feel like he hinted at the possibility. I think that would've been interesting to really explore back in the day. Now, it's just complicated and looks to much to the past. Plus, they weren't completely separate--not at first.

[Hi-Fi]

Didn't Claremont suggest that maybe it did, though? I know he never said explicitly that it was the case, but I feel like he hinted at the possibility. I think that would've been interesting to really explore back in the day. Now, it's just complicated and looks to much to the past.
There's a great issue where Storm lets Rogue touch her to seal their friendship and we see that big storm at the sea and Rogue and Storm try to save the crew.

Rogue thinks she's being selfless only because she has Storm inside her head, but she then realizes that Storm has her powers back, so she smiles because she was being benevolent and acting out of compassion by herself. If it was Carol's mind pulling the strings, Rogue wouldn't have had that realization about herself. :)

[Deus ex Chris]

There's a great issue where Storm lets Rogue touch her to seal their friendship and we see that big storm at the sea and Rogue and Storm try to save the crew.

Rogue thinks she's being selfless only because she has Storm inside her head, but she then realizes that Storm has her powers back, so she smiles because she was being benevolent and acting out of compassion by herself. If it was Carol's mind pulling the strings, Rogue wouldn't have had that realization about herself. :)
LOL
That doesn't really prove anything, Victor. Rogue had permanently absorbed Ms. Marvel NOT Storm. She even thought she had a relationship with Michael Rossi (that was his name, right?) at one point, even though it was Carol. She was very confused.

I'm not saying that Carol is the reason Rogue is heroic, just that it's an interesting idea.

[Magneto X]

What would be the reasoning of Rogue changing sides? She's one of the most loyal to the dream. It wouldn't make any sense.

It makes more sense than most character developments IMO.

I'm not saying that Carol is the reason Rogue is heroic, just that it's an interesting idea.

Yeah, well, whatever it takes to make Rogue a rascal again. She's great as a villain, good as an ambivalent brawler of a hero, but sickening as some kind of visionary, tragic and lovesick leader of heroes. Boring!

It might be no more Ms. Marvel's influence -- say she was always non-hero inclined to begin with. She only came to Xavier's because Carol's mind was making her crazy. Or blame her going back to villainy (or at least non-heroics) on whoever she absorbs next. It might be going crazy. Or her friend that can take away her post-villain memories. It might be absorbing Mystique. Whatever it takes.

She already has a head start:

1) She left Gambit (OMG thank you) who waited on her.
2) She tried to kill Mystique while she was cowering in a corner.
3) She left the X-Men.
4) She left them in the middle of a battle.

Just make Rogue a rogue again.

[darknessatnoon]

Rogue never wanted to be a villain in the first place. She was being manipulated by Mystique. And it wasn't Ms. Marvel's psyche that made her a hero. Rather it was the trauma of permanently absorbing someone else that shook her out of a criminal trajectory.

Rogue doesn't some hunger to touch people and absorb their powers. She's not a vampire.

ERROR: I mean to write "doesn't have some hunger..."

[Deus ex Chris]

Rogue doesn't some hunger to touch people and absorb their powers. She's not a vampire.
She isn't a vampire, but she does yearn for human contact. This yearning has caused problems in the past too, as it should. It's one of the things that make Rogue compelling.

[Hi-Fi]

I think it's easier for Emma to go back than Rogue. Rogue is loyal to her friends. That has always been what her character is all about. At lest to me.

LOL

I'm gonna step away from the thread now. I know me pretty well when it comes to talking about Rogue. :p

[GoingGreen]

There's a great issue where Storm lets Rogue touch her to seal their friendship and we see that big storm at the sea and Rogue and Storm try to save the crew.

Rogue thinks she's being selfless only because she has Storm inside her head, but she then realizes that Storm has her powers back, so she smiles because she was being benevolent and acting out of compassion by herself. If it was Carol's mind pulling the strings, Rogue wouldn't have had that realization about herself. :)

In that same issue, she also thinks about permanently absorbing Storm's abilities, but decides against it because she doesn't want to betray the X-Men's trust.

So apparently she still had evil thoughts.

The only reason she went to the X-Men in the first place was because Ms.Marvel's personality was overwhelming, and the X-Men were her 'last hope' in gaining control over her abilities. It took her a LONG time to earn any trust. Up until the ninties, she always seemed an ambiguous hero.

[Hi-Fi]

In that same issue, she also thinks about permanently absorbing Storm's abilities, but decides against it because she doesn't want to betray the X-Men's trust.

So apparently she still had evil thoughts.

The only reason she went to the X-Men in the first place was because Ms.Marvel's personality was overwhelming, and the X-Men were her 'last hope' in gaining control over her abilities. It took her a LONG time to earn any trust. Up until the ninties, she always seemed an ambiguous hero.
Are you kidding me??

Yeah, she went to Xavier's because she was going crazy and because Jason Wyngarde manipulated her.

But already in her first mission she almost sacrificed herself to save Lady Mariko, because "she was kind" to her. She proved herself to Wolverine right there. In her FIRST mission.

In the next mission, against "Phoenix", she attacked the illusion, saying she doesn't approve seeing her teammates being hurt.

NEVER we saw ANY ambiguous hints from Rogue. While all the X-Men were spitting on her face, she found Lockeed from Kitty, tried to protect Xavier from James Proudstar, felt bad for treating Rachel like crap, blew up Mystique's attempt to reconnect with her every single time, fought against her former comrades Pyro, Blob and Avalanche without hesitation, was leader for a while right after Mutant Massacre, when they fought Juggernaut. And she was the only X-Man who tried to be a friend to Gateway.

At that time, both Wolverine and Storm completely trusted her. Storm says so right after Mutant Massacre. They never questioned her loyalty.

And that was WAY before the 90's.

[frog]

Rogue has formed very strong bonds with the X-Men. I know she's going off to seek a little piece of mind right now, but I'm sure she'll eventually return to them. She's well liked and respected by many of the X-Men..

Of course, it's possible she may come in contact with Magneto again. It would be interesting to see the results of that. But I doubt Rogue will ever return to villiany. She wants better things than that.

[GoingGreen]

Are you kidding me??

Yeah, she went to Xavier's because she was going crazy and because Jason Wyngarde manipulated her.

But already in her first mission she almost sacrificed herself to save Lady Mariko, because "she was kind" to her. She proved herself to Wolverine right there. In her FIRST mission.

In the next mission, against "Phoenix", she attacked the illusion, saying she doesn't approve seeing her teammates being hurt.

NEVER we saw ANY ambiguous hints from Rogue. While all the X-Men were spitting on her face, she found Lockeed from Kitty, tried to protect Xavier from James Proudstar, felt bad for treating Rachel like crap, blew up Mystique's attempt to reconnect with her every single time, fought against her former comrades Pyro, Blob and Avalanche without hesitation, was leader for a while right after Mutant Massacre, when they fought Juggernaut. And she was the only X-Man who tried to be a friend to Gateway.

At that time, both Wolverine and Storm completely trusted her. Storm says so right after Mutant Massacre. They never questioned her loyalty.

And that was WAY before the 90's.

Mental relapse apparently. Mid 80's then, at least. The storm issue you brought up was what... 1984? And she was still dark and twisty on the inside.

[Hi-Fi]

Mental relapse apparently. Mid 80's then, at least. The storm issue you brought up was what... 1984? And she was still dark and twisty on the inside.
Yeah, except your info is false. She didn't want to permanently absorb Storm. You made that up.

She wondered if Storm would be ok if she took a little more of her power, since she was experiencing poor joy since the transfer was voluntarily, and she then yelled at herself for even thinking that, because Storm was her friend.

[GoingGreen]

I didn't make it up. It's been ages since I read that issue. So my brain chopped it up without telling me. No reason to get testy.

Also, according to the UXN issue summary I'm looking at now - not even going to bother looking through my collection at the moment - it says she went to 'fully' absorb her, so apparently I'm not the only one who misinterpretted it to your standards.

[Callisto]

i think that rogue simply with her absorbtion powers makes her a good villaness. but with her absorbtion plus ms marvel abilities she makes a strong heroine.

[psychic_therapy]

Rogue makes sense as a villian if Gambit is intended to stay on the dark side of things. Also would be a great fit, seeing as Mystique is likely to stay a villian for a while.

But it seems the current direction is taking her back to being an X-Man.

Rogue works well in either capacity, but better as the reformed villian doing good, than as a the villian.

[Naira K]

Rogue is a great heroine but she wouldn't be Rogue if she didn't have that sly smile, shameless wit and badass attitude. She is not the anti-hero like Gambit, but she isn't all goody-good, either. Still, she has a kind heart and a lot of understanding. Now that they seperate X-men and Dark X-men, I think she belongs with the X-men. Hero definately.

[Come To Deathstrike]

, tried to protect Xavier from James Proudstar, felt bad for treating Rachel like crap, blew up Mystique's attempt to reconnect with her every single time


And my girl wonders why she gets shot in the chest.
Fix up look sharp.

[Prodigy55]

Rogue works best in a pentangle formation.

[Come To Deathstrike]

Rogue works best with a bit more Mort in her name.

[KrullWall]

I dont like her sooooo yes a villan

[Michael P]

I don't understand this question at all. She was a villain for all of two issues, and in retrospect it's obvious the arc of her reform was intended from the start.

[x_goalkeeper]

If Rogue is without Gambit, I think she is good as part of the X-Men. If she has Gambit, better as a villian.. unless she is trying to get rid of Gambit while with the X-Men, that is fun to read :smile:

[SayOcean]

i think rogue would be a cool villian, itd give her something to do besides whine in legacy or complain about her mom using her. I wanna see badass rogue again and it could be easily explained as to why she turned to crime with her carol danvers persona gone

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

No, no she doesn't.

She'd instantly become the generic untrustworthy/unsubordinate lackey which inexplicably doesn't get offed by his boss at the first offense.

[SayOcean]

No, no she doesn't.

She'd instantly become the generic untrustworthy/unsubordinate lackey which inexplicably doesn't get offed by his boss at the first offense.
only if the writer is hack...for once i want a good guy go bad for a reason and not just some random member thats gonna betray the team first chance they get

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

only if the writer is hack...for once i want a good guy go bad for a reason and not just some random member thats gonna betray the team first chance they get

There's Starscream and then there's everyone else.

I just don't see why a villain would even bother recruiting a self-proclaimed 'rogue'. That's awful awful management skills right there.

Only reason to hire/find someone like this would be to off them at the first occasion to scare off the other lackeys.

[blinkinrogue]

lols, rogue was never really a villain in the first place. Most of it was manipulation from other people when she was a teenager. as soon as those manipulative people were gone, she was all heroine. :tongue:

[f4faith]

for once i want a good guy go bad for a reason and not just some random member thats gonna betray the team first chance they get

Been done already - Bishop (They had to retcon his old history with accusing Gambit to now accusing the messiah baby but he has been given a reason and he has been pretty nasty at going after the X-Men to do what he thinks needs to be done.)

[Shaid O Gray]

lols, rogue was never really a villain in the first place. Most of it was manipulation from other people when she was a teenager. as soon as those manipulative people were gone, she was all heroine. :tongue:

Exactly. When you look at her development throughout the years it's obvious that being raised by Mystique was the only reason she ever really was a villain. When she encouters ROM her natural reaction is aready to act heroic. And before someone starts: no she did not just absorb ROM's heroic nature. She didn't really absorb him. Their contact allowed her to truly 'see' his noble nature in her mind which was the first time in her life she actually had such an experience and her natural reaction was to like it and act like it.

Her desperation over her powers (plus Wyngarde) drove her to seek help from Xavier, but what that did was place her among all kinds of heroic people which brought out her true nature. Like someone said before: almost immediately she wants to save Mariko just because she was nice to her. If her true nature was to be villainous, she would have reverted to type years ago. She's harder and edgier than some X-Men but she's been self-sacrificing, loyal and truly heroic for years and years now.

And no, she wouldn't work better as a villain because the fact that she's a reformed villain is one of the aspects that makes her work so great as a hero.

[Majinoaw]

There's Starscream and then there's everyone else.

Yup. Starscream is a habitual betrayer. He can't help it. Rogue is just plain useless now. She has had flashes of brilliance, but crossovers, title changes, and Gambit have made her about as useful as a Secratary who can't type.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yup. Starscream is a habitual betrayer. He can't help it. Rogue is just plain useless now. She has had flashes of brilliance, but crossovers, title changes, and Gambit have made her about as useful as a Secratary who can't type.

You are a genius.

We were all wrong. Once they're done playing rescue team in SF, Legacy's new direction obviously will be about a Rogue/Sage team-up during which Sage will help Roguey become awesome.

Make it happen, Marvel.

[Naira K]

She already has a head start:

1) She left Gambit (OMG thank you) who waited on her.
2) She tried to kill Mystique while she was cowering in a corner.
3) She left the X-Men.
4) She left them in the middle of a battle.

Just make Rogue a rogue again.

Hm. Now that I think about it, it all does sound like negative stuff. I think that the battle was over by the time she left, though. When I read her Mystique panel I was like "Oh no, is she finally gonna do it". That was evil. Gambit did wait on her. He had that sweet monologue in X-men #204 where he said he's sorry and he'd be there for her even if she spits in his face. Aaaawww. And she just... blew him off. :frown:

[Perfection/Emma 2]

Rogue is as pure as Jesus and being a villain and I can never see Rogue do evil ever again. However if she wants to do evil things to Gambit or Ms. Marvel, then it's okay with me

[Shaid O Gray]

She already has a head start:
1) She left Gambit (OMG thank you) who waited on her.

She asked for some time alone to figure herself out. Wow. Evil. Yeah...

2) She tried to kill Mystique while she was cowering in a corner.

When I read her Mystique panel I was like "Oh no, is she finally gonna do it". That was evil.

I lost count of how many people Wolverine killed execution style. That's evil now? No, that's just a different look on things and on what needs to be done for the greater good. You can disagree (as many X-Men would and do disagree with logan too) but that does not make either of them an 'evil villain'.

3) She left the X-Men.

Taking a break from the X-Men makes you a villain now? Are you serious? So pretty much every single X-Men in existence is an evil villain? They've all left at one time or another.

4) She left them in the middle of a battle.

No, that would be the case if she was with them in that battle. She wasn't. There's no reason to think she even KNEW there was a battle.

Gambit did wait on her. He had that sweet monologue in X-men #204 where he said he's sorry and he'd be there for her even if she spits in his face. Aaaawww. And she just... blew him off. :frown:

She asked for some time to herself is all. Also, there's no evidence she even heard that speech. She was drowning in a billion voices in her head. It's a miracle she even made out his voice.

Seriously, what's with you guys? What's next, she's evil because she is cranky sometimes? Frowns? Wears green? :rolleyes:

[Naira K]

I lost count of how many people Wolverine killed execution style. That's evil now? No, that's just a different look on things and on what needs to be done for the greater good. You can disagree (as many X-Men would and do disagree with logan too) but that does not make either of them an 'evil villain'.


She asked for some time to herself is all. Also, there's no evidence she even heard that speech. She was drowning in a billion voices in her head. It's a miracle she even made out his voice.

Seriously, what's with you guys? What's next, she's evil because she is cranky sometimes? Frowns? Wears green? :rolleyes:

Hey-hey, relax. First, I don't approve how easy Marvel lets Wolverine kill people. Second, I definately didn't mean Rogue is evil. No way. I was just analizing the points Magneto X made, and agreed that they made sense. Rogue didn't do all those things on purpose. Except for Mystique, she didn't mean to hurt anyone. You know how we often don't mean some stuff but it still hurts someone or can be misinterpreted? Same with our girl. Just wondering aloud. I don't want Rogue to go evil. :smile:

[Shaid O Gray]

Hey-hey, relax. First, I don't approve how easy Marvel lets Wolverine kill people. Second, I definately didn't mean Rogue is evil. No way. I was just analizing the points Magneto X made, and agreed that they made sense. Rogue didn't do all those things on purpose. Except for Mystique, she didn't mean to hurt anyone. You know how we often don't mean some stuff but it still hurts someone or can be misinterpreted? Same with our girl. Just wondering aloud. I don't want Rogue to go evil. :smile:

I know, I know. It's just that, as I say in my former post, I don't feel those points made a lot of sense. And sure, you as others can not like the killings sometimes, (as do many characters) but it still is in no way an indication she is likely to return to villain, which was Magneto X's point.

I'll never deny our girl isn't good at hurting people though, inadvertantly or otherwise. But then there's a bunch of X-Men who fit that bill too, hehe. *COUGHSCOTTCOUGH*

[Naira K]

I'll never deny our girl isn't good at hurting people though, inadvertantly or otherwise. But then there's a bunch of X-Men who fit that bill too, hehe. *COUGHSCOTTCOUGH*

Ah, I love Anti-Cyke. Somehow Rogue fans can't stand him. I personally didn't like him since Evo cartoon, because he was messing with Rogue :mad:

[Shaid O Gray]

Ah, I love Anti-Cyke. Somehow Rogue fans can't stand him. I personally didn't like him since Evo cartoon, because he was messing with Rogue :mad:

Oh I like Cyke fine. I don't really get the hatred back and forth between Rogue and Scott fans. Did that start since she told him 'live with it' or does it go back further?

Anyway, you gotta admit, having a relationship with Scott Summers is usually pretty painful.....:cool: