X-Men: The Friendship Thread!

[Hi-Fi]

One of my favorite aspects of the X-Books is represented by the strong ties that these characters have with each other. Let's talk about our favorites friendships here and post examples of them!

I'll start with this great Bobby/ Sam moment. I love these guys together!!

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7136/xmannualbh1.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

This next one is a pretty heavy and already memorable moment of bonding between X-23 and Mercury:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8242/nxmen43dcp013hb2.jpg

I love that scene.

[Jackob]

This next one is a pretty heavy and already memorable moment of bonding between X-23 and Mercury:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8242/nxmen43dcp013hb2.jpg

I love that scene.

and that is why it sucks that new x-men is canceled

[MuhollandDriver]

Ororo and Jean had a very nice, genuine chemistry as best friends.

Rockslide and Anole have a great buddy chemistry also. i wish it would have been explored more. Instead....Young X-Men away we go *sigh*

[Novaya Havoc]

Here is
DAZZLER and LOIS LONDON

Dazzler tells Lois she UNDERSTANDS HER TERRIBLE LIFE DECISION
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/loisisanevilwhore.jpg

True sistahood. Too bad Lois is EVIL!!!!! And corrupted by DECEIT!

[Hi-Fi]

I love this second panel. The body language shows how close Logan and Rogue are, even though the can't touch each other. Rogue doesn't have a lot of close friends, but Logan is definitely along the few:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2941/uxm196pg05ki0.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

Here is
DAZZLER and LOIS LONDON

Dazzler tells Lois she UNDERSTANDS HER TERRIBLE LIFE DECISION
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/havoc1/loisisanevilwhore.jpg

True sistahood. Too bad Lois is EVIL!!!!! And corrupted by DECEIT!
Did Lois hurt Ali after that? Or was that the last time we saw Lois?

[creaky]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/wolv6_9thumb.jpg (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/wolv6_9.jpg)
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/wolv6_10thumb.jpg (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/wolv6_10.jpg)
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/wolv6_11thumb.jpg (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/wolv6_11.jpg)
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/wolv6_12thumb.jpg (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/wolv6_12.jpg)

[Novaya Havoc]

Did Lois hurt Ali after that? Or was that the last time we saw Lois?

That was the LAST we saw of Lois. The evil HUSSY! Dazzler changed her whole LIFE for her unknown sister, and then she shacked up with her WIFEBEATER of a deadbeat daddy!

BOOO! HISS!

Dazzler demonstrated TRUE friendship!

[Hi-Fi]

Love it, creaky!

Kurt is probably the nicest person in the team. He's Colossus' best friend and Logan's best friend and one of Ororo's closest friend. She's also really close to Kitty and Rogue.

Awwww, he's such a nice guy!

[Hi-Fi]

Novaya, Rogue CARES!

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9641/uncannyxmen21711oe3.jpg

[creaky]

Love it, creaky!

Kurt is probably the nicest person in the team. He's Colossus' best friend and Logan's best friend and one of Ororo's closest friend. She's also really close to Kitty and Rogue.

Awwww, he's such a nice guy!

Indeed he is. Here's more:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/xmen80_3.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/unc5thannual_1.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/KLboxing.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/kurtloganuxm409a.jpg

[Jackob]

Indeed he is. Here's more:

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/xmen80_3.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/unc5thannual_1.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/KLboxing.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/kurtloganuxm409a.jpg

i know wolvie doesnt need another book but if wolvie and kurt had a buddy book, i would totaly get it.

[pryde15]

Love it, creaky!

Kurt is probably the nicest person in the team. He's Colossus' best friend and Logan's best friend and one of Ororo's closest friend. She's also really close to Kitty and Rogue.

Awwww, he's such a nice guy!

You would think so, but...

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0036.jpg

Trying to get in little Kitty's PANTS! How rude, but she forgave him.
I forgot to mention this is an alternate version of Kurt...

Storm & Kitty, bonded the second they met, an Kitty's efforst even led to the rescue of Ororo in the Dark Phoenix Saga. Note this scan, does not depict that moment, mainly, because I didn't want to get it out of the casing

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0034.jpg

I believe Kitty & Colossus are as friendly as it gets...

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0035.jpg

Kitty FINALLY found a best friend her own age when Illyana was aged during #161, one of my favorite friendships yet.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0037.jpg

[pryde15]

Finally, Lockheed & Kitty :D

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k303/cpsm1092/scan0038.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

Cute Marrow/Rogue interaction:

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9100/xm8006cn8.jpg

And Marrow and Sammy-Boy:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6145/xmenv207922roughermr3.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

Logan is really protective about his friends:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6185/xmenn81p08be3.jpg

[Saturius]

I don't have the issue number on hand, but it was during Claremont's recent run on Uncanny with the arc about the fake Fury. There was this really cool moment between Storm and Nightcrawler. It was a reference to Storm's first time in a classy dress at Cassidy Keep from way back in the early 100's of Uncanny. Storm was trying to cheer up Kurt and talked about how far he had come with being able to walk out into public without his image inducer and then they waltzed on air. It was just a really great moment between the two and proved that Claremont still had some of that magic when it came to characterization.

[Monty_Cristo]

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/5000/4280/96400-shortpack_400.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

I don't have the issue number on hand, but it was during Claremont's recent run on Uncanny with the arc about the fake Fury. There was this really cool moment between Storm and Nightcrawler. It was a reference to Storm's first time in a classy dress at Cassidy Keep from way back in the early 100's of Uncanny. Storm was trying to cheer up Kurt and talked about how far he had come with being able to walk out into public without his image inducer and then they waltzed on air. It was just a really great moment between the two and proved that Claremont still had some of that magic when it came to characterization.
That was indeed a fantastic and nostalgic moment.

Here's a great Piotr/ Ororo scene from Joe Kelly's brilliant run:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9683/xmenn81p10st8.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/5000/4280/96400-shortpack_400.jpg
Awwwwwww!!

[creaky]

i know wolvie doesnt need another book but if wolvie and kurt had a buddy book, i would totaly get it.

As would I. *sigh* But it's never happened. Not even a mini.:(

[Monty_Cristo]

That was indeed a fantastic and nostalgic moment.

Here's a great Piotr/ Ororo scene from Joe Kelly's brilliant run:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9683/xmenn81p10st8.jpg

i have that issue. that was great; moreso because Storm has always been like a mother to Kitty. so she's kind of giving her blessing to the russian.

[Hi-Fi]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9454/rogueandkittyja4.jpg

[MuhollandDriver]

Kitty and Illyana...yes that was a great friendship.

i hope it gets a chance again someday.

[creaky]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9454/rogueandkittyja4.jpg

I miss that Rogue. She's just angst these days.

[pryde15]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9454/rogueandkittyja4.jpg

How many times did Kitty lose Lockheed?!?!? lol.

[Boogie]

Awesome Thread Hiffy!

Sophia/Laurie when they first met. Aww.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p257/idontmime/sophialaurie.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

How many times did Kitty lose Lockheed?!?!? lol.
LOL!

Kitty loses him ALL the time!


Yay! Great moment there, Boogie! Laurie was ok at that time! ;)

[pryde15]

LOL!

Kitty loses him ALL the time!

:confused:

Her parents should've started her out with a fish.

[MuhollandDriver]

Yes...Rogue really evolved from a villain into a wonderful character. Take note, Emma!

Reading all these is getting me a bit misty eyed. i hope Kitty doesn't die.

[Hi-Fi]

X-Force was really close during the road trip!

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2240/xforcev107115roughertx2.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8757/xforcev107505roughermk5.jpg

[creaky]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/badmonkey.jpg

[creaky]

X-Force was really close during the road trip!
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8757/xforcev107505roughermk5.jpg

What's a little boob-grabbing among friends?

[Hi-Fi]

One of my favorites duo:

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8164/generationx6pg21jq6.jpg

[Pach!]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/losequismen/AnoleLoa.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/losequismen/PMa11.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

Time to say Goodbye as Generation X ends:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6284/monetandangelovc7.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5001/genxpg6.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

Great additions, Andres! :D

[Hi-Fi]

Bowling is FUN!

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9522/xforcev107602rougherkr0.jpg





Meanwhile, I can't believe people still haven't made fun of the first image I posted, with Iceman putting his hands inside Sam's pants. LOL

[Hi-Fi]

Sam and Rogue:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7255/xxmsx6.jpg

[Boogie]

Sooraya, Laura and Cessily
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p257/idontmime/nxmaww.jpg

[creaky]

Meanwhile, I can't believe people still haven't made fun of the first image I posted, with Iceman putting his hands inside Sam's pants. LOL

I think it was so obvious I just... blanked. I don't know.

Kurt digging for Logan's body:
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/liberators_1.jpg

[creaky]

Sooraya, Laura and Cessily
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p257/idontmime/nxmaww.jpg

I can't believe they cancelled New X-men just as I learned to love them.

[rilokyle]

Lorna and Jean are true BFFs. Sadly, I own no scans, but I love when a write refrences their age old friendship. I mean, they were the first two x-ladies on the block. LONG before that hussy Storm showed up.

[Fatguy]

Only the BEST of friends throw each other!

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3702/walkerkevxmencanonballsni3.jpg

I do really like the Colossus/Wolverine dynamic, they play well off each other. Same for Nightcrawler/Wolverine.

When I was thinking about great friendships, Wolverine/other was what I thought of most. It really shows how great he is in the X-Men. He gets so over saturated its easy to forget how good a character he is and just focus on his negatives.

[claimtosubclaim]

Some Bobby and Rogue love

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j19/ryandevisser/Iceman02a.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j19/ryandevisser/xmen45.jpg


Bobby and Warren taking out the source of the Kick imports.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j19/ryandevisser/17rj1.jpg

[claimtosubclaim]

Only the BEST of friends throw each other!

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3702/walkerkevxmencanonballsni3.jpg

I do really like the Colossus/Wolverine dynamic, they play well off each other. Same for Nightcrawler/Wolverine.

When I was thinking about great friendships, Wolverine/other was what I thought of most. It really shows how great he is in the X-Men. He gets so over saturated its easy to forget how good a character he is and just focus on his negatives.

I never noticed this before, but this friendship consists of a Catholic, agnostic, and athiest. Pretty cool undertone.

[Hi-Fi]

Two great moments, courtesy of the AWESOME Brian K. Vaughan!

Kitty and Marrow bonding:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/570/xmenunlimited22p08ka8.jpg

Gambit making fun of Piotr. And LOL at the way Logan contacts them:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1049/xmenunlimited22p10ag5.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

I love Bobby and Rogue's friendship, Pin!

I'll scan some more moments between the two of them soon!

[claimtosubclaim]

The oldest family...
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j19/ryandevisser/XFIRSTV2001_int0002.jpg

Cyke and Logan, pounding down drinks.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j19/ryandevisser/newxmen142d.jpg

Alex and Rachel
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j19/ryandevisser/X-Havok.gif

[Hi-Fi]

More Rogue and Bobby:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1484/rogueandbobbyes1.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5763/rogueandbobby1we7.jpg

[claimtosubclaim]

Aghhh! I love them so much. More!

Here's my favorite triumvirate in all their glory.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j19/ryandevisser/roguebobbysam.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

Aghhh! I love them so much. More!
LOL!

I know!!! Me too!


Here's some more Rogue/Sam:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3478/samandroguevs4.jpg

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2175/samandrogue1hb8.jpg

[Pach!]

Friendship?

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/losequismen/Yukio.jpg

[kury-bop]

My favourite friendship is probably old school Ororo and Kitty. <3 They were so sweet. I loved how Ororo called her 'Kitten'.

[Mr_Hellfire]

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/beast56.jpg

Emma and Beast = True friendship.
Unfortunately I can't find the pages of Beast trying to put Emma back together after she was shattered and presumed dead. But I have those two panels.
Anyway, I love how he refused to accept her as dead.

[jester1436]

Friendship?

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/losequismen/Yukio.jpg

Friends and LUVAHS...

[kury-bop]

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/beast56.jpg

Emma and Beast = True friendship.
Unfortunately I can't find the pages of Beast trying to put Emma back together after she was shattered and presumed dead. But I have those two panels.
Anyway, I love how he refused to accept her as dead.I dunno... that doesn't strike me as friendship, whatever was between Emma and Beast. =\ Hank is how he is, I don't think that had anything friendly about it.

Hank has more of a friendship with the original four others. I love Hank and Scott's friendship. =]

[frog]

I dunno... that doesn't strike me as friendship, whatever was between Emma and Beast. =\ Hank is how he is, I don't think that had anything friendly about it.

Hank has more of a friendship with the original four others. I love Hank and Scott's friendship. =]

What makes you think there wasn't friendship between Beast and Emma? The link posted isn't working for me but if it's during Morrison's run that's a good example of Beast and Emma as friends. He recognized that she was snarky and not always the best person but they shared interests in common. When he told Scott off for kissing Emma at Jean's grave he began with "You know I like Emma but . . . "

If they weren't friends then what? If you think that Beast was only interested in Emma for her body, well, he likes to flirt with the ladies, but I don't really think that was it. He's just one of the few that easily accepted Emma into the X-Men.

[kury-bop]

What makes you think there wasn't friendship between Beast and Emma? The link posted isn't working for me but if it's during Morrison's run that's a good example of Beast and Emma as friends. He recognized that she was snarky and not always the best person but they shared interests in common. When he told Scott off for kissing Emma at Jean's grave he began with "You know I like Emma but . . . "

If they weren't friends then what? If you think that Beast was only interested in Emma for her body, well, he likes to flirt with the ladies, but I don't really think that was it. He's just one of the few that easily accepted Emma into the X-Men.The link was of him piecing bits of Emma together, I believe. /looked it up.

But really, I didn't think they were anything. Teammates, at most. But not much else. Definitely not something deeper like love.

[frog]

The link was of him piecing bits of Emma together, I believe. /looked it up.

But really, I didn't think they were anything. Teammates, at most. But not much else. Definitely not something deeper like love.

No, they weren't in love but they were definitely friends. Beast had gone to attempt to cheer her up when he discovered her body in pieces, and he told Bishop and Sage that he enjoyed her company because she appreciated poetry and laughed at his jokes. I don't think they just merely acknowledged each other as teammates.

[Christopher O]

Lorna and Jean are true BFFs. Sadly, I own no scans, but I love when a write refrences their age old friendship. I mean, they were the first two x-ladies on the block. LONG before that hussy Storm showed up.
LOL
Third time's a charm!


Anyway, I'm very fond of the Beast/Emma relationship. That's probably one of my favorites, even though we've seen relatively little of it. I also really dig the vibe between Storm and Wolverine. Really, Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, and Nightcrawler all have this family dynamic that I just love. I'm also loving the hell out of Siryn and M.

[kury-bop]

No, they weren't in love but they were definitely friends. Beast had gone to attempt to cheer her up when he discovered her body in pieces, and he told Bishop and Sage that he enjoyed her company because she appreciated poetry and laughed at his jokes. I don't think they just merely acknowledged each other as teammates.
We'll have to agree to disagree then. I can't think of anyone who actually liked her. Ever. Certainly no one that considered her a friend. Maybe people tolerated her occasionally. But I just don't think anyone ever cared for her, truly. No more than they may have cared for a life of any other mutant.

[Christopher O]

Beast and Emma definitely seemed to be friends during Morrison's run.

[kury-bop]

Beast and Emma definitely seemed to be friends during Morrison's run.Well, I hated Morrison's run, so that explains it.

[creaky]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/xmu38_1.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/xmu38_2.jpg

[claimtosubclaim]

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I can't think of anyone who actually liked her. Ever. Certainly no one that considered her a friend. Maybe people tolerated her occasionally. But I just don't think anyone ever cared for her, truly. No more than they may have cared for a life of any other mutant.

Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Banshee, Rogue.

You must have missed a lot.

[steve2275]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/xmu38_1.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/xmu38_2.jpg
now THATS frendship

[Slung]

We need some pictures of Jean and Storm in this thread. But I don't have any on hand.

Like the issue where they are walking and Storm is the little girl still. Or the more recent X-Treme X-Men where they have girl's mind out. Something.

And pictures of Jean and Lorna would be good too!

I've always dug the relationships between Ororo, Pete, Kurt, Logan, and Kitty too. Those always seemed special.

[Novaya Havoc]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/losequismen/PMa11.jpg

OMG BUBBLEGUM!!!!

[worstblogever]

I need to find a link to the Turtles singing, "So happy together..."

If someone can sync that to a montage of X-Men:TAS, you'd officially be the bee's knees.

[Novaya Havoc]

Friendship?

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/losequismen/Yukio.jpg

LMAO!

Why must Andres win every thread ever?

[creaky]

This is the first time I'm noticing the tentacles.

[rZi]

Great thread idea, i saw this image a couple weeks ago on this board and didn't actualy have the copy when it came out so i had to go and get it. It's sweet to say the least:

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1707/uncannyxmen44514rm7.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen44514rm7.jpg)

dancing in the moonlight on the air, you just don't fucking beat that.

[Papa Moai]

Hank has more of a friendship with the original four others. I love Hank and Scott's friendship. =]And on that note, some Scott/Hank/Bobby bathroom-shenanigans:

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/2744281.html

[Slant]

Gambit making fun of Piotr. And LOL at the way Logan contacts them:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1049/xmenunlimited22p10ag5.jpg

Is it just me, or are Gambit and Colossus' lines mixed up in the first panel?

[GoingGreen]

X-Force was really close during the road trip!

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2240/xforcev107115roughertx2.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8757/xforcev107505roughermk5.jpg

X-Force's road trip was one of my favorite eras in all of Marvel history. I love those issues.

[creaky]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/mcp2_1.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/mcp4_1.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/kurtloganuxm163.jpg

[w00tmaster93]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/mcp2_1.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/mcp4_1.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/kurtloganuxm163.jpg

man, the way kurt is coming out of the water in the first page he's just asking for a hug.

[Josef F.]

http://pics.livejournal.com/hotness30/pic/0005g9z4

Panels like that make me remember why I love Beast so much

[Henry T.]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/jeanandstorm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/jeanbeast.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/polarisjean.jpg

[frog]

http://pics.livejournal.com/hotness30/pic/0005g9z4

Panels like that make me remember why I love Beast so much

The entire sequence this came from was hysterical, especially when Bobby got his comeuppance! The art, however, was a little scary.

[frog]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/jeanandstorm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/jeanbeast.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/polarisjean.jpg

Where did the Beast and Jean pic come from? I feel like I ought to know but I don't recognize it.

[Slung]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/newmsgt/jeanandstorm.jpg

Oh, Jean...doing the white girl dance. Good thing she's just an astral projection that only Storm can see. Otherwise it might be embarrassing for my homegirl.

[frog]

Oh, Jean...doing the white girl dance. Good thing she's just an astral projection that only Storm can see. Otherwise it might be embarrassing for my homegirl.

More embarrassing than talking to herself on the dance floor?

[Slung]

More embarrassing than talking to herself on the dance floor?

True. True. Fortunately Storm is secure in herself and the laughing and pointing would only bolster her indomitable will and willful dominance.

[Congo Jack]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/mcp2_1.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/mcp4_1.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/kurtloganuxm163.jpg
Those first two images aren't ringing true for me- perhaps it's the hug. That last one however - pitch perfect Claremont complimented by Paul Smith's pencils - excellent stuff.

This thread dearly needs some scans from Uncanny X-Men #139 and 140 though.

[Jackob]

Oh, Jean...doing the white girl dance. Good thing she's just an astral projection that only Storm can see. Otherwise it might be embarrassing for my homegirl.

it almost looks like she is doing ellans "little kicks" dance from Seinfeld

[Henry T.]

Where did the Beast and Jean pic come from? I feel like I ought to know but I don't recognize it.

Its from the X-Men Black Sun mini series.

[Divalykeprincess]

it almost looks like she is doing ellans "little kicks" dance from Seinfeld



YES!!! when I saw that, I thought of the Elaine dance form Seinfeld too.!

[Schuimend Mormel]

This thread is awesome!
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9454/rogueandkittyja4.jpg
One of the first 80s back issues I bought! I love that scene. The reason Kitty lost Lockheed, of course, was because Empath had scared him away earlier while he was supposed to be guarding Professor X...

[Schuimend Mormel]

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I had seen the panel where Wolverine asks Kurt to absolve him before on the 'net. Thanks for posting these pages, creaky!

[creaky]

Those first two images aren't ringing true for me- perhaps it's the hug. That last one however - pitch perfect Claremont complimented by Paul Smith's pencils - excellent stuff.

Awww, but they hadn't seen each other in ages! The whole story is kinda "wtf", though - it smacks of something Lobdell just scribbled together on his coffee break because editorial told him to put these two back together again. The story has boneless clowns, a guy wearing his muscles on the outside of his skin and a lady with a prehensile beard she uses to strangle people. It also features an exact duplicate of Nightcrawler's introductory scene in the X-men - complete with German townsfolk carrying pitchforks and torches - except this time Wolverine saves him instead of Xavier. It doesn't even make sense in the context of the comic, because they go from interrogating a monster one issue to...Kurt suddenly being chased across the rooftops the next. Sorry about the rant, but it's just mind-numbingly bad and the characterization is the only part of it that at least makes sense on some level.

Oh, and speaking of out-of-character Wolverine, I hope you truly enjoy this miracle by Mr. Claremont himself:
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/roilier/unc447.jpg

This thread dearly needs some scans from Uncanny X-Men #139 and 140 though.

If I find that I have those issues, I will remedy that.

I had seen the panel where Wolverine asks Kurt to absolve him before on the 'net. Thanks for posting these pages, creaky!

You're welcome! I just got access to a color scanner not long ago and then this thread pops up. Creaky happy.:D

[xfire]

Gambit and Storm:


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[Slant]

Logan and Gambit, well, at least when Wolvie isn't gutting him.


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[Congo Jack]

Oh, and speaking of out-of-character Wolverine, I hope you truly enjoy this miracle by Mr. Claremont himself:
I don't think there's too much wrong with the action there, but the dialogue is definitely very off.

If I find that I have those issues, I will remedy that.
Thanks. If I had a scanner, I'd do it myself. Love Kurt and Logan together.

[creaky]

I don't think there's too much wrong with the action there, but the dialogue is definitely very off.

Yes, I was mostly referring to the dialogue.

Thanks. If I had a scanner, I'd do it myself. Love Kurt and Logan together.

Seems I don't have them, though. :(

[Matthew K.]

Great thread, Vic. The friendship element is an excellent (if undershowcased) source of storyline in the X-books.

I enjoyed reading everyone's contributions.

[claimtosubclaim]

The friendship element is an excellent (if undershowcased) source of storyline in the X-books.


Hey, we X-fans have it lucky. The X-teams get more intimate moments that seem genuine than any other superhero team around. The Fantastic Four are a family and The Avengers are friends, but the X-Men trump them in both categories.

[Phil Hunn]

Yes, I was mostly referring to the dialogue.

What did you think of the dialogue between Wolvie and Jubilee in the "Death of Illyana Rasputin" issue (where he's comforting a clearly-distressed Jubilee and telling her that not living your life to the full is to be feared more than death)? I thought that was a lovely bit of characterisation for Logan in his capacity as a mentor and a friend to Jubilation.

[creaky]

What did you think of the dialogue between Wolvie and Jubilee in the "Death of Illyana Rasputin" issue (where he's comforting a clearly-distressed Jubilee and telling her that not living your life to the full is to be feared more than death)? I thought that was a lovely bit of characterisation for Logan in his capacity as a mentor and a friend to Jubilation.

I can't say, because I don't remember reading that one. Can you post the dialogue and the context?

Edit: I should add that I know Logan's a big teddy bear and I'm not putting it past him to make profound, encouraging speeches when the timing is just right. It's all about the execution, though, and in that Uncanny scene, the execution just failed, imo.
If I find the Jubilee scene to be working, it would be interesting to see what makes the difference.

[Henry T.]

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[Affinity]

Someone should explain to me that cover of naked Nightcrawler and drunk Wolverine again!

[creaky]

Someone should explain to me that cover of naked Nightcrawler and drunk Wolverine again!

Logan was depressed and Kurt made him feel better.:D

[Phil Hunn]

I can't say, because I don't remember reading that one. Can you post the dialogue and the context?

Certainly can. Here you go :)

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This scene occurs just after Illyana has died, I think, and Jubilee is distraught.

[Matthew K.]

"fetch my chair." (said while shirtless and sweaty in bed to his first pedo "dream girl")

really the professor had quite the pimp-hand months back.

[creaky]

Certainly can. Here you go :)

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This scene occurs just after Illyana has died, I think, and Jubilee is distraught.

That's really nice. A lot better. I think the main differences are:

1: He has an established mentor relationship with Jubilee. He didn't act like this towards Rachel before or after that scene.
2: The artwork. The Jubilee scene is depicted as an intimate moment between the two of them, while the Rachel one has him poised like he's making a public speech. Which he practically is, and that doesn't seem like something Logan would do. It's like the moment at the end of a bad family sitcom, where moral needs to be preached.
3: The Rachel scene really had little to do with the story around them
and 4: it's part of Rachel's characterization being butchered. He wants Rachel to honor her mother by dressing and acting like her? In what reality is that a healthy thing to do?

[Slung]

"fetch my chair." (said while shirtless and sweaty in bed to his first pedo "dream girl")

really the professor had quite the pimp-hand months back.

Fortunately, Jean was in prime alpha bitch mode and didn't take his lip. Notice she said Scott would have though.

Oh, Scott.

[Phil Hunn]

That's really nice. A lot better.

I certainly found that scene a lot more realistic and touching than Logan's "preaching from the pulpit" moment with Rachel, that's for certain.

[psychic_therapy]

My favorite friendship to follow was Kitty and Rachel... shoutout to the 80s issues and all. And, it's a bit ironic both are stuck in space, but separate from each other.

[justinkos91]

Siryn and M are my favourite friends
Though July doesn't look too promising for them, which saddens me...

[wolvie616]

i believe this thread had thoroughly shown that wolverine is the best friend of ALL the good x men!

[justinkos91]

i believe this thread had thoroughly shown that wolverine is the best friend of ALL the good x men!

and what would you consider a good X-man?

[wolvie616]

and what would you consider a good X-man?

everyone but emma

[x_goalkeeper]

everyone but emma

I disagree! :tongue:

About friendship, I think my favorite one to see is Scott and Emma. I know it is probably not the first pair to come to mind if the word "buddies" is mentioned

*:wink: to someone who said these words to me elsewhere*

But it was interesting for me to follow how their relationship made progress.. from distrust, to cooperation, then Emma helping Scott with his problems because he asked for her help. Then it turned into the affair and we know what happened afterward.

But they are together still, and aside from their relationship, still cooperating and functioning like friends. They may have problems now but friends have problems with each other too.

So that is my favorite friendship, Scott and Emma! :cool:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

i believe this thread had thoroughly shown that wolverine is the best friend of ALL the good x men!

anyone but Emma

See, there's a problem in logic right there.

Wolvie's nice to her one day and hit her the other day. Kinda reminds me of his relationship with another well-known x-man.

You gotta stick with your story, hombre.

[justinkos91]

everyone but emma

Don't be so sure about that...

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[Perfection/Emma 2]

Emma and Beast

Rogue and Iceman

[Optic Rage!]

I would like to see some more moments in the book with the X-Men just hanging, going out shoping etc. But, not in the forced way like current Uncanny.

I would love to see an issue with Emma & Storm going shoping and just talking about stuff, the past, Scott, Jean.

Or a game of poker between the X-boys!

[Majinoaw]

I would like to see some more moments in the book with the X-Men just hanging, going out shoping etc. But, not in the forced way like current Uncanny.

I would love to see an issue with Emma & Storm going shoping and just talking about stuff, the past, Scott, Jean.

Or a game of poker between the X-boys!

Storm hates Emma. Anything written differently is just incorrect.

[Greg Anderson]

I liked these two together. Wish they were written more together. Liked that they were enemies then grew to appreciate each other. I've gone through a few stuff like that growing up.

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[Greg Anderson]

Anyone have pictures of the Storm and Bishop moments? Man, I miss those. :frown:

[Canemacar]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/xeero0/p_11.jpg

I didn't know Bishop was friends with Steve Tylor.

[Hi-Fi]

Spinning off from this post by RogueFanAM:

That doesn't sound like Jean/Ororo, though. Sure they were good friends, but I've never felt like they were really inseperable. Or even all that close. I'd say Ororo was closer to Kitty than Jean.

As far as those type of relationships never being explored. Well, it's not like those are hard to develop. Or even hard to introduce as long as you're willing to put some time into it. Anole/Rockslide could develop into that.

Let's see...some strong male friendships. Warlock/Doug, though I'm not sure that counts. Wolverine/Nightcrawler/Colosus. Icemen/Beast/Warren, though that's often ignored more times then not recently.

How would you categorize the following friendships (BFFs, good friends or yeah, there's something else there):

Scott and Hank
Hank and Bobby
Bobby and Warren
Scott and Warren
Hank and Warren
Jean and Hank
Jean and Bobby
Jean and Ororo
Logan and Kurt
Logan and Peter
Kurt and Peter
Ororo and Logan
Ororo and Kurt
Ororo and Peter
Kitty and Logan
Kitty and Kurt
Ororo and Kitty
Rogue and Logan
Rogue and Kurt
Rogue and Ororo
Rogue and Kitty
Bobby and Sam
Berto and Sam
Dani and Sam
Dani and Rahne
Rictor and Shatterstar (oh, well)
Hank and Emma
Besty and Ororo
Besty and Kurt
Betsy and Hank
Doug and Warlock
Jamie and Guido
Lorna and Jean
Shan and Kitty
Terry and Monet

[Hi-Fi]

Oooops, forgot:

Rogue and Sam
Rogue and Bobby
Rachel and Kitty
Northstar and Rogue

[Prodigy55]

Best Friends:

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[Hi-Fi]

Best Friends:

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Jubilee is Sofia's new best friend now.

[Prodigy55]

Jubilee is Sofia's new best friend now.

Acceptable. Wallflower can never be replaced :(

[Volk1]

Oooops, forgot:

Rogue and Sam
Rogue and Bobby
Rachel and Kitty
Northstar and Rogue

You forgot Rogue and Pulse! :redface:

[Prodigy55]

I think Hank and Emma was more of her wanting an exotic pet.

[justinkos91]

Anyone have pictures of the Storm and Bishop moments? Man, I miss those. :frown:

As do I...

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[Hi-Fi]

You forgot Rogue and Pulse! :redface:
LOL. I think we all did, in a way. :tongue:

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing Gus again!

[RoguefanAM]

Spinning off from this post by RogueFanAM:



How would you categorize the following friendships (BFFs, good friends or yeah, there's something else there):

Hope you don't mind but I'm gonna expand on that Hi-Fi, as I feel like I need a couple more labels to accurately describe the friendship level so:

casual friends = more coworkers then real friends. you can joke with them, but not the first person you go to for assistance.
good friends = can share a moment or two with closeness, but not someone you hang with everyday.
close friends = not someone your afraid of being yourself with. Can tell them almost anything.
BFFs = literally like family. Nothing can drive you apart.

Scott and Hank = close friends. They're known each other and been friends for a long time. But I wouldn't call them BFFs.
Hank and Bobby = BFFs. Less obvious now, as I've mentioned, but I remember a story recently about the two that touched on their past as goofs.
Bobby and Warren = close friends. Both not as close as they used to be, but the potentials there to be close again.
Scott and Warren = good friends. Warren's just spent a lot time away from the X-men and O5 that the friendship I think has deteriorated. They're former position as rivals for Jean's affection and Scott's distant attitude doesn't help.
Hank and Warren = close friends. I still think they've mainted that bond through the years for some reason. Maybe it has to do with them both being blue? :tongue:
Jean and Hank = another BFF. She always seemed to 'get' Hank. Maybe the telepathy helped, but I think it more just her compasion and understanding of people.
Jean and Bobby = I never saw them as close. He crushed on her, and she treated him like a little brother. Good friends, I think.
Jean and Ororo = Good friends, on the verge of close friends, like I've stated before. Ororo, while compassionate, always has her own way of maintaining distance just like Scott. Jean's frequent absences (i.e. deaths) don't help.
Logan and Kurt = close friends. The friendship hasn't disappeared. He's still a fuzzy elf to Logan.
Logan and Peter = good friends. I don't think Logan ever 'clicked' with him like Nightcrawler, but Logan and Peter have definitely known each other for a while.
Kurt and Peter = good friends. But I see Nightcrawler interacting more with Logan, than Peter.
Ororo and Logan = close friends and maybe some thing more. I think she's one of Logan's closet female friends. And one of the few he doesn't view as a youngester. With some sexual attraction mixed in.
Ororo and Kurt = good friends. Also tends to flirt.
Ororo and Peter = good friends. Gentle souls.
Kitty and Logan = calling them good friends sounds weird...I'd call it more big brother/little sister. Close.
Kitty and Kurt = good friends. Kurt seems to get along with a lot of people.
Ororo and Kitty = big sister/little sister. Close.
Rogue and Logan = good friends. Stubborn folks have a bond.
Rogue and Kurt = good friends/sibling-like relationship. They're not very close, but Mystique will always bring them together.
Rogue and Ororo = also a bit of a big sister/little sister thing. To a lesser extent of Kitty. But not as close. Good friends, maybe?
Rogue and Kitty = good friends
Bobby and Sam = good friends. While Carey's run was nice, it's not enough to establish it as a strong friendship.
Berto and Sam = BFFs. It's just really apparent. The whole 'I slept with your girlfriend, but we still manage to talk to each other civily' kinda shows that - as someone mentioned.
Dani and Sam = good friends/rivals. I think he sees her as a sister.
Dani and Rahne = good friends.
Rictor and Shatterstar (oh, well) = I don't even need to say it.
Hank and Emma = good friends. They stick up for each other at times, but they're not at Jean/Hank level.
Besty and Ororo = good friends.
Besty and Kurt = good friends with some occassional flirting.
Betsy and Hank = see Kurt.
Doug and Warlock = BFFs. They've even become 'one'. Can't get much closer than that.
Jamie and Guido = good friends.
Lorna and Jean = good friends.
Shan and Kitty = good friends.
Terry and Monet = I think the time Monet spent with Terry has been pretty significant. Espeically with the pregenacy and lose of her child going on. close friendship.
Rogue and Bobby= close friendship. The road trip, with Rogue visiting his parents - really cements it for me.
Rachel and Kitty = close friends. Excalibur. That's all that needs to be said.
Northstar and Rogue = casual friends. She has a better relationship with Northstar than most, but it's not enough panel time together for me to count it as a good friendship.

I think the reason you don't see more casuals on my list, is because a lot of these are good friendships. Most of these characters have risked and saved each other's lives - can't get many better friends than that.

[creaky]

Hope you don't mind but I'm gonna expand on that Hi-Fi, as I feel like I need a couple more labels to accurately describe the friendship level so:

casual friends = more coworkers then real friends. you can joke with them, but not the first person you go to for assistance.
good friends = can share a moment or two with closeness, but not someone you hang with everyday.
close friends = not someone your afraid of being yourself with. Can tell them almost anything.
BFFs = literally like family. Nothing can drive you apart.

Scott and Hank = close friends. They're known each other and been friends for a long time. But I wouldn't call them BFFs.
Hank and Bobby = BFFs. Less obvious now, as I've mentioned, but I remember a story recently about the two that touched on their past as goofs.
Bobby and Warren = close friends. Both not as close as they used to be, but the potentials there to be close again.
Scott and Warren = good friends. Warren's just spent a lot time away from the X-men and O5 that the friendship I think has deteriorated. They're former position as rivals for Jean's affection and Scott's distant attitude doesn't help.
Hank and Warren = close friends. I still think they've mainted that bond through the years for some reason. Maybe it has to do with them both being blue? :tongue:
Jean and Hank = another BFF. She always seemed to 'get' Hank. Maybe the telepathy helped, but I think it more just her compasion and understanding of people.
Jean and Bobby = I never saw them as close. He crushed on her, and she treated him like a little brother. Good friends, I think.
Jean and Ororo = Good friends, on the verge of close friends, like I've stated before. Ororo, while compassionate, always has her own way of maintaining distance just like Scott. Jean's frequent absences (i.e. deaths) don't help.
Logan and Kurt = close friends. The friendship hasn't disappeared. He's still a fuzzy elf to Logan.
Logan and Peter = good friends. I don't think Logan ever 'clicked' with him like Nightcrawler, but Logan and Peter have definitely known each other for a while.
Kurt and Peter = good friends. But I see Nightcrawler interacting more with Logan, than Peter.
Ororo and Logan = close friends and maybe some thing more. I think she's one of Logan's closet female friends. And one of the few he doesn't view as a youngester. With some sexual attraction mixed in.
Ororo and Kurt = good friends. Also tends to flirt.
Ororo and Peter = good friends. Gentle souls.
Kitty and Logan = calling them good friends sounds weird...I'd call it more big brother/little sister. Close.
Kitty and Kurt = good friends. Kurt seems to get along with a lot of people.
Ororo and Kitty = big sister/little sister. Close.
Rogue and Logan = good friends. Stubborn folks have a bond.
Rogue and Kurt = good friends/sibling-like relationship. They're not very close, but Mystique will always bring them together.
Rogue and Ororo = also a bit of a big sister/little sister thing. To a lesser extent of Kitty. But not as close. Good friends, maybe?
Rogue and Kitty = good friends
Bobby and Sam = good friends. While Carey's run was nice, it's not enough to establish it as a strong friendship.
Berto and Sam = BFFs. It's just really apparent. The whole 'I slept with your girlfriend, but we still manage to talk to each other civily' kinda shows that - as someone mentioned.
Dani and Sam = good friends/rivals. I think he sees her as a sister.
Dani and Rahne = good friends.
Rictor and Shatterstar (oh, well) = nuff said.
Hank and Emma = good friends. They stick up for each other at times, but they're not at Jean/Hank level.
Besty and Ororo = good friends.
Besty and Kurt = good friends with some occassional flirting.
Betsy and Hank = see Kurt.
Doug and Warlock = BFFs. They've even become 'one'. Can't get much closer than that.
Jamie and Guido = good friends.
Lorna and Jean = good friends.
Shan and Kitty = good friends.
Terry and Monet = I think the time Monet spent with Terry has been pretty significant. Espeically with the pregenacy and lose of her child going on. close friendship.
Rogue and Bobby= close friendship. The road trip, with Rogue visiting his parents - really cements it for me.
Rachel and Kitty = close friends. Excalibur. That's all that needs to be said.
Northstar and Rogue = casual friends. She has a better relationship with Northstar than most, but it's not enough panel time together for me to count it as a good friendship.

I think the reason you don't see more casuals on my list, is because a lot of these are good friendships. Most of these characters have risked and saved each other's lives - can't get many better friends than that.

How did Hank and Bobby classify as BFFs while Kurt and Logan didn't? We've seen a lot more of the latter than the former.

[Hi-Fi]

You forgot Rogue and Sam, RFAM. Which is obviously because, like me, you also think they're secretely in love with each other. :wink:

But I think I agree with creaky about Kurt and Logan. They're definitely BFF material in my eyes.

And I'd say Shan and Kitty would probably enjoy being more than just good friends, if you know what I mean. It was kinda teased by Nunzio and Christina that they had a fling.

[RoguefanAM]

How did Hank and Bobby classify as BFFs while Kurt and Logan didn't? We've seen a lot more of the latter than the former.

I disagree. Hank and Bobby went through a long process of being inseparable. Them and Warren. Bobby and Warren even went to the champions together.

Logan and Nightcrawler are close, but Logan's been all over the place lately. He has some kind of relationship with everyone. His overexposure kind of lessens the impact of their friendship for me.

Brubaker did give a spotlight to the old days with that trip to Russia for Nightcrawler, Logan, and Peter though.

You forgot Rogue and Sam, RFAM. Which is obviously because, like me, you also think they're secretely in love with each other.

But I think I agree with creaky about Kurt and Logan. They're definitely BFF material in my eyes.

And I'd say Shan and Kitty would probably enjoy being more than just good friends, if you know what I mean. It was kinda teased by Nunzio and Christina that they had a fling.

That's exactly it. ;)

I don't know. That's just my take on it. Doesn't mean I'm right.

And yeah, I'm aware of the Shan/Kitty rumors. But I've never actually seen it myself. I need to find me some issues with Kitty/Shan. I've only seen some offhand interaction with them, so I need more to really judge.

[creaky]

Logan and Nightcrawler are close, but Logan's been all over the place lately. He has some kind of relationship with everyone. His overexposure kind of lessens the impact of their friendship for me.

To you, maybe, but that doesn't mean their bond is supposed to have weakened. Family's family, even if you have to spend a lot of time away from them. Logan is a workaholic and he's not going to be joined at anyone's hip. Most of the people he rubs shoulders with, he either barely gets along with, plain hates, is casually friendly with or it's just all work.

Brubaker did give a spotlight to the old days with that trip to Russia for Nightcrawler, Logan, and Peter though.

Except that it wasn't the old days, but these days. Took place in the present, remember? I doubt Logan will go on vacation with just anyone.
(Plus, Kurt bamfed in his precious classic car and all Logan did was grumble a bit. This is huge! :

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[RoguefanAM]

To you, maybe, but that doesn't mean their bond is supposed to have weakened. Family's family, even if you have to spend a lot of time away from them. Logan is a workaholic and he's not going to be joined at anyone's hip. Most of the people he rubs shoulders with, he either barely gets along with, plain hates, is casually friendly with or it's just all work.

I understand that, but even family can grow apart.

Do you think Nightcrawler is Logan's best male friend?

Except that it wasn't the old days, but these days. Took place in the present, remember? I doubt Logan will go on vacation with just anyone.
(Plus, Kurt bamfed in his precious classic car and all Logan did was grumble a bit. This is huge! :

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Maybe it's the fact that we haven't seen much Logan and Nightcrawler interaction of late. They hardly ever see much screen time together. Part of Logan being so stretched out and Nightcrawler being used as wallpaper most of the time (along with most of the X-men). But I guess you're right, if I consider Hank/Bobby best friends on that front - and their relationship isn't much better than theirs - than they should stand to reason be best friends as well.

And no, Logan wouldn't go on vacation on just anyone - but I wasn't saying Nightcrawler was just anyone. I said he was a close friend, not a stranger.

[creaky]

I understand that, but even family can grow apart.

I think that if they didn't grow apart while Kurt was in Excalibur or while Kurt studied to be a priest, they're not likely to grow apart at this point just because Logan is busy.

Do you think Nightcrawler is Logan's best male friend?

I think so, yes. Because he's the guy you're most likely to find Logan spend leisure time with, they always have a very relaxed, easy-going dynamic and he is, to my knowledge, the guy Logan most consistently displays affection towards.

[RoguefanAM]

I think that if they didn't grow apart while Kurt was in Excalibur or while Kurt studied to be a priest, they're not likely to grow apart at this point just because Logan is busy.

But who says they haven't? A vacation isn't exactly all out proof that their relationship is still the same as ever.

Anyway, I don't think we're gonna agree on this creaky. To me, how much time you spend away from your friends does affect how close you are to them. Even to family that applies IMO. And I just naturally extend that to comic books, but I understand that not everyone sees it that way. It doesn't even mean I'm right.

I think so, yes. Because he's the guy you're most likely to find Logan spend leisure time with, they always have a very relaxed, easy-going dynamic and he is, to my knowledge, the guy Logan most consistently displays affection towards.

Well, to be honest no other X-man comes to mind besides Colosus when I think friendship and Logan. Mostly he just has a soft spot for his teenage sidekicks. And you're right on him displaying affection.

It's still just weird thinking about Logan being his closet friend. I always knew they were close, but his best friend? It's kinda funny, their relationship.

[steve2275]

kurt and pete are so BFF

[MuhollandDriver]

i was thinking lately.....what has happened to the female friendships in the X-Comics?

We sort of kind of have one with Monet and Siryn....Dazzler and Psylocke got a single panel of BFF....

Really..the most prominent feminine presence in X-Men is Emma Frost.

Back in the day, i enjoyed how Claremont focused in on the female friendships. It isn't often done in comics.

Granted....he later seemed to focus on dinosaur marriages.

[creaky]

But who says they haven't? A vacation isn't exactly all out proof that their relationship is still the same as ever.

Anyway, I don't think we're gonna agree on this creaky. To me, how much time you spend away from your friends does affect how close you are to them. Even to family that applies IMO. And I just naturally extend that to comic books, but I understand that not everyone sees it that way. It doesn't even mean I'm right.

Let's just agree to disagree, then. I think the fact that we've seen little patches of their friendship (like when they're trying to cheer up Colossus in Manifest Destiny, the panel in the MD Emma story where they're teasing Armor, them working on an improved version of the Fastball Special and their other team-ups in Uncanny were put there to show that they're still going strong. Logan is going through even more than usual right now and he's always preferred to keep his closest out of his affairs, for their own safety.
Kurt's been going through a rough time, too, and he's also the kind who prefers to deal with his problems by himself. They're both loners, so their friendship, I think, is as much about respecting each other's privacy when needed, as knowing that they can still always seek the other out for help or just company when in need of that.
I think their friendship is more internal than external, if that makes any sense.

Well, to be honest no other X-man comes to mind besides Colosus when I think friendship and Logan. Mostly he just has a soft spot for his teenage sidekicks. And you're right on him displaying affection.

It's still just weird thinking about Logan being his closet friend. I always knew they were close, but his best friend? It's kinda funny, their relationship.

I wonder that, too, sometimes, but really - the qualities we mostly see of Logan are the ones that are contrary to the ones we mostly see of Kurt's, so it's easy to miss the things they do have in common.

If you take a look at what Logan was before all the trauma and violence turned him into what he is today, you'll probably find that James Howlett wasn't far from Kurt at all. James was a sensitive boy, like Kurt. He grew up pretty isolated, because of his poor health. Kurt grew up isolated because of his looks. Kurt had been thrown away by his mother and James was neglected by his. James had two close friends - Rose and Dog. Kurt had his foster siblings Amanda and Stefan. Dog proved a volatile character. So did Stefan. James fell in love with Rose, an older girl whom he had known since childhood. Kurt fell in love with his older foster sister Amanda (ew). Both James and Kurt's relatively tranquil childhoods were disrupted by them killing someone.

Further, they both seek physical and emotional discipline - Kurt in acrobatics and religion, Logan in Eastern philosophy/martial arts. Logan's attempt to become a samurai failed, as did Kurt's attempt to become a priest. They've both had fake memories implanted and found that they ultimately were alarmingly close to what they didn't want to be (the Lupine/the Draco).

Their respective situations make them balance between pride and self-loathing. They both have very high demands on themselves, and are fiercely protective of those they love. They both fall into the mentor role easily. Etc. etc. etc.

Anyway, the way I see it is Kurt connecting with the part of Logan that is NOT what we typically associate with the character. The human part, sans animal mutation or the grit-and-grim the years have added to him. That Kurt recognizes that part and understands it, because it's so like himself. And that that's why he sticks with Logan despite everything he puts him through.

[RoguefanAM]

Let's just agree to disagree, then. I think the fact that we've seen little patches of their friendship (like when they're trying to cheer up Colossus in Manifest Destiny, the panel in the MD Emma story where they're teasing Armor, them working on an improved version of the Fastball Special and their other team-ups in Uncanny were put there to show that they're still going strong. Logan is going through even more than usual right now and he's always preferred to keep his closest out of his affairs, for their own safety.
Kurt's been going through a rough time, too, and he's also the kind who prefers to deal with his problems by himself. They're both loners, so their friendship, I think, is as much about respecting each other's privacy when needed, as knowing that they can still always seek the other out for help or just company when in need of that.
I think their friendship is more internal than external, if that makes any sense.

You bring up some really good points. I've never thought of it like that. Logan and Nightcrawler are always off doing something, so we rarely see them angst and go through any monologues lately (bar Wolverine in his own series) - so it's harder to see that for me. But since your such a fan, you probably notice things others don't. I think I do the same for Rogue.

I wonder that, too, sometimes, but really - the qualities we mostly see of Logan are the ones that are contrary to the ones we mostly see of Kurt's, so it's easy to miss the things they do have in common.

If you take a look at what Logan was before all the trauma and violence turned him into what he is today, you'll probably find that James Howlett wasn't far from Kurt at all. James was a sensitive boy, like Kurt. He grew up pretty isolated, because of his poor health. Kurt grew up isolated because of his looks. Kurt had been thrown away by his mother and James was neglected by his. James had two close friends - Rose and Dog. Kurt had his foster siblings Amanda and Stefan. Dog proved a volatile character. So did Stefan. James fell in love with Rose, an older girl whom he had known since childhood. Kurt fell in love with his older foster sister Amanda (ew). Both James and Kurt's relatively tranquil childhoods were disrupted by them killing someone.

Further, they both seek physical and emotional discipline - Kurt in acrobatics and religion, Logan in Eastern philosophy/martial arts. Logan's attempt to become a samurai failed, as did Kurt's attempt to become a priest. They've both had fake memories implanted and found that they ultimately were alarmingly close to what they didn't want to be (the Lupine/the Draco).

Their respective situations make them balance between pride and self-loathing. They both have very high demands on themselves, and are fiercely protective of those they love. They both fall into the mentor role easily. Etc. etc. etc.

Anyway, the way I see it is Kurt connecting with the part of Logan that is NOT what we typically associate with the character. The human part, sans animal mutation or the grit-and-grim the years have added to him. That Kurt recognizes that part and understands it, because it's so like himself. And that that's why he sticks with Logan despite everything he puts him through.

Wow, creaky, that's a really in-depth look at their relatioship. lol, I should expect as such from their number one fan on CBR. I guess since I'm not a fan, I can't see the draw - but that certainly cleared up some things on why they're actually friends. Especially on Kurt connecting with the human Logan, and not the fierce one we always see. I never put that two and two together.

I think I understand the dynamics between their relationship better. Thanks Creaky. Even if we don't agree on the details, it was nice seeing your take on the relationship. And now I can see why you're a fan. :smile:

[creaky]

You bring up some really good points. I've never thought of it like that. Logan and Nightcrawler are always off doing something, so we rarely see them angst and go through any monologues lately (bar Wolverine in his own series) - so it's harder to see that for me. But since your such a fan, you probably notice things others don't. I think I do the same for Rogue.



Wow, creaky, that's a really in-depth look at their relatioship. lol, I should expect as such from their number one fan on CBR. I guess since I'm not a fan, I can't see the draw - but that certainly cleared up some things on why they're actually friends. Especially on Kurt connecting with the human Logan, and not the fierce one we always see. I never put that two and two together.

I think I understand the dynamics between their relationship better. Thanks Creaky. Even if we don't agree on the details, it was nice seeing your take on the relationship. And now I can see why you're a fan. :smile:

Thank you and you're welcome!<3