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RickyD410

02-11-2008, 01:45 PM

Looks pretty decent, but the art is a bit stiff IMO: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12946

And that Liefield cover doesn't really do much for me.

Art looks terrible. And its wrong. The baby cried all the time during Messiah CompleX. Cable even comments on it. He said something like "come on kid, shut up, or you'll attract predators" And it cried when Gambit took it to Sinister/Mystique as well.

drwho

02-11-2008, 01:47 PM

sorry but the whole cable caring for the baby schtick is gonna blow. I dont want Cable carrying around the kid and that seemingly being his destiny. Blaah not impressed already with the direction.

Hi-Fi

02-11-2008, 01:49 PM

I love the concept of the book. The art is pretty, but stiff. The only thing worring me right now is that it looks like it's going to be really decompressed.

drwho

02-11-2008, 01:50 PM

Cable is the new Nomad my worst nightmares have come to fruition

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/4466/400/4466_4_19.jpg

Daithi

02-11-2008, 01:51 PM

I love the concept of the book. The art is pretty, but stiff. The only thing worring me right now is that it looks like it's going to be really decompressed.

It does doesn't it? I'll give it chance because I like all this time traveling crap ;)

streator

02-11-2008, 01:53 PM

still looking good.

is that variant by liefeld, though? it doesn't seem like it to me.

ClanAskani

02-11-2008, 01:54 PM

I like Cable and the baby. That's about it though.

I don't like this part: "The war over the future of mutantkind will be fought in the future -- in the pages of Cable-- and when it is finally over, who knows what will return to the present". It confirms it's all based in the future.

Although the "And just how does this affect Cyclops, Cable’s father, and the rest of the X-Men" makes it seem like Cable might interact with the rest of the mainstream continuity, Axel confirms that the entire Cable series is based in the future, and that's disappointing.

I don't get how they can keep selling the fact that the story is relevant, when only the outcome is relevant.

I still don't like the art. How long is Ariel on the book for?

Brian M.

02-11-2008, 01:56 PM

This looks great too.

Cayman

02-11-2008, 01:58 PM

Cable is the new Nomad my worst nightmares have come to fruition

No he's not. He's Cable with a baby.

Flight

02-11-2008, 02:03 PM

LOL @ Predator X biting off Bishop's arm close up!

frog

02-11-2008, 02:10 PM

Okay. The baby's hair is neither red or strawberry blonde.

It is pink!

matthewaos

02-11-2008, 02:11 PM

I liked Oliveti's art at first in PWJ, but something was wrong, and now I found what I don't like in him, so I'm not impressed by the art.
But I like Cable, Bishop, time travel/cyberpunk/futuristic/post apocalyptic stuff, and I like cybernetic implants, so this is good for now. I hope the baby concept will end someday though, I don't want it reaching #100 or even #50...

gunz

02-11-2008, 02:12 PM

east orange isn't on the beach, so I will in no way be buying a book with such blatent factual errors :evilangry

hahaha, seriously, i'm not digging the art, but i'm still interested. Does cable go back to the same future that layla is trapped in? does that mean layla will be in the book, cause then i'll def get it.

Cayman

02-11-2008, 02:13 PM

Okay. The baby's hair is neither red or strawberry blonde.

It is pink!

It's Dazzler!

darksaint124

02-11-2008, 02:13 PM

kate-pryde

02-11-2008, 02:15 PM

The preview doesn't look all that bad storywise, but I agree that the art is absolutely awful.

I still don't get why Cable and Deadpool couldn't have been revamped rather than sending Cable off to the future.

The writing was already on the wall that the book is set in the future and any interaction with other characters besides with Bishop and the baby will be alternate reality characters. They can say over and over again how important it is, but if it's in the future, it's not. Since the future always changes, especially since it seems like they're trying to selll the fact that Cable's mission all along has been the baby, not stopping Apocalypse. Wouldn't sending him to some parenting classes have been better than to the Askani future?

unkiedev

02-11-2008, 02:16 PM

The art is TERRIBLE! Has marvel totally abandoned backgrounds in liu of photos/retouched photos or straight up computer generated buildings?

It USED to bug me that Cable was running at bullets with a baby ( with no neck support, mind you) strapped to his chest. Now it bothers me that Cable is firing high caliber weapons right next to a baby wearing no ear protection.

I feel there's a line between "Suspension of disbelief" and " Please pretend our story takes place in an alternate reality." Cable #1 looks about three tokes over the line.

And the art really is terrible.

Jackob

02-11-2008, 02:20 PM

Okay. The baby's hair is neither red or strawberry blonde.

It is pink!

baby new excalaber dazzler?

Swashbuckler

02-11-2008, 02:24 PM

I feel there's a line between "Suspension of disbelief" and " Please pretend our story takes place in an alternate reality." Cable #1 looks about three tokes over the line.

And the art really is terrible.

Three tokes over the line? lol. Does this mean I should pack my pipe each time before reading Cable?

jarrod

02-11-2008, 02:25 PM

Looks readable!

baby > Deadpool

drwho

02-11-2008, 02:25 PM

Wait if the baby is the savior of the future than wouldnt taking her out of the time stream from the past mess up the future. Cus if it is in the future then that future wouldnt exist cus the baby was never in the past. :confused:

darksaint124

02-11-2008, 02:28 PM

Three tokes over the line? lol. Does this mean I should pack my pipe each time before reading Cable?

Especially if he's in East orange. Since like 70% of the people indulge in the cannibus.

drwho

02-11-2008, 02:39 PM

If you read Punisher War Journal dont answer this. So Cable fans which Cable related character is this?

Here it is have fun speculating who it is and no cheating because this is probably the type of character redesigns you will see with this artist. Just showing you what you have to look forward to.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1b/Gebridge.jpg/512px-Gebridge.jpg

rwsmith

02-11-2008, 02:50 PM

G.W. Bridge? Looks like he's put on some weight over the years if it's him.

Man, what I wouldn't give to see Cable leading an X-Force style team with G.W. Bridge trying to bring him down! While I'm pretty happy with Wolverine leading X-Force right now, for some reason it will always be Cable's team in my mind.

drwho

02-11-2008, 02:53 PM

rwsmith

02-11-2008, 02:55 PM

It wasn't that tough. Black guy with white hair who is Cable-related.

Liberty Belle Fan

02-11-2008, 02:55 PM

It's way too early to judge how this book is going to turn out. The artwork is not as awful as it's been made out to be. The faces will take a bit of getting used to, but the outlines are crisp and clear.

Cable & Deadpool was an awesome book, but even the first 10 issues were nowhere near as good as the final 40. Give this story some time to pick up steam. I doubt it's always going to be Cable with a crying kid running from Bishop. The premise starting out is nowhere near where it will go. I never thought I'd see Deadpool going from a cult Blue people church to hanging out with Brother Voodoo and Bob: Agent of Hydra when first reading Cable & Deadpool, but it ended up being awesome nonetheless.

rwsmith

02-11-2008, 02:57 PM

chrismileslord

02-11-2008, 02:57 PM

the art doesn't lookl that good, and Cable looks really really old here. Still I will be picking it up.

Pareidol

02-11-2008, 03:06 PM

I really like the look of this book. I'm excited more about this and X-Force than I am with Young X-Men.

kate-pryde

02-11-2008, 03:07 PM

Very true. My hope is that Bishop pursuing Cable is only the first arc. From there perhaps they come back to the present and start working to actually save the mutant race. Maybe even rejoining with the X-men.

Cable on Astonishing anyone? :)

I'd be ecstatic if that happened, but I wouldn't bet on it. :(

It's more likely Cable returns to the present in 3 or 4 years with the baby as teenager who will become the next X-23 type character.

mr2core

02-11-2008, 03:26 PM

ehh, umm...

I will still pick it up, I seem to always give new books a try.

tunasammiches

02-11-2008, 03:40 PM

I'm getting it just to see him do the whole Kindergarten Cop thing with this baby. I see hilarious diaper changing stories and panels of baby spit on his one shoulder pad in this book :)

drwho

02-11-2008, 03:45 PM

I'm getting it just to see him do the whole Kindergarten Cop thing with this baby. I see hilarious diaper changing stories and panels of baby spit on his one shoulder pad in this book :)

Wonder if fans will be out raged if none of the diaper changing scenes are done on panel. :p

tunasammiches

02-11-2008, 03:52 PM

Wonder if fans will be out raged if none of the diaper changing scenes are done on panel. :p

I know I would be.

Cayman

02-11-2008, 03:53 PM

Wonder if fans will be out raged if none of the diaper changing scenes are done on panel. :p

We've already seen a diaper-changing scene in the preview that Andres Pacheco posted awhile back.

tunasammiches

02-11-2008, 03:55 PM

We've already seen a diaper-changing scene in the preview that Andres Pacheco posted awhile back.

Way to take the fun out of that one Cayman. ;)

The Incredible Activist

02-11-2008, 03:55 PM

Gah, we lost the sublime intelligence of Cable and Deadpool for 'Adventures in Babysitting'?

Lame.

Come on now.

The Mutant Nanny Diaries!

cap5

02-11-2008, 04:19 PM

This relly looks good

gorthon616

02-11-2008, 04:26 PM

It doesn't really interest me. The art, while iffy by itself, didn't covey the feel that the dialogue was going for in my opinion. Also, the dialogue just didn't ring true. Cable wondering "I wonder if this was what I was meant for?"... just doesn't sound right.

CMBMOOL

02-11-2008, 05:14 PM

Cable being a baby protector, then count me in if it going to lead to some funny moments. :p

darksaint124

02-11-2008, 05:39 PM

Cable being a baby protector, then count me in if it going to lead to some funny moments. :p

But he lost Deadpool. There goes like 85% of the funny.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

02-11-2008, 05:50 PM

OMG, that art is freakin horrible.

And people dare whining about Eaton and Tan being on the stiff side?? Good God.

Joe Franklin

02-11-2008, 06:07 PM

OMG, that art is freakin horrible.

And people dare whining about Eaton and Tan being on the stiff side?? Good God.

Both are, and so is this Cable art.;)

I have always liked Cable in team books, but I have never liked him as a solo character. So I will be passing on this due to not being interested in the art at all. Now if Bachalo or Ramos were drawing it, I would buy it for the art alone.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

02-11-2008, 06:09 PM

Both are, and so is this Cable art.;)

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying they aren't. Just saying this Cable art qualifies as !!UBER OMFG!! stiff.

Jamal

02-11-2008, 06:14 PM

So the best they could come up with for Cable and the baby out of the whole Messiah CompleX was Lone Wolf ( and Cub ) 2100!!?:rolleyes:

Joe Franklin

02-11-2008, 06:16 PM

So the best they could come up with for Cable and the baby out of the whole Messiah CompleX was Lone Wolf ( and Cub ) 2100!!?:rolleyes:

What would be any better? Cable is just not a very interesting solo character no matter the story.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

02-11-2008, 06:19 PM

What would be any better? Cable is just not a very interesting solo character no matter the story.

Huh. That very post raised quite the philosophical question.

WTF to do with a !zing!-worthy comment made without any actual malice, lol??? :D

chrismileslord

02-11-2008, 06:22 PM

Okay, so just to make sure I understand this correctly, this isn't the same Cable that died in XMen by Gambit and Sunfire right? This is a Cable from a different timeline, cause the look, the sound the way he acts seems completely off, at least from the preview pages. I dunno, and does anyone have a guess on the age of Cable in this? He looks at least fifty to me.

Joe Franklin

02-11-2008, 06:23 PM

Huh. That very post raised quite the philosophical question.

WTF to do with a !zing!-worthy comment made without any actual malice, lol??? :D

It's sad but true.:(

Cable is best used as a supporting character in a team book, and not as a solo character.

darksaint124

02-11-2008, 06:27 PM

It's sad but true.:(

Cable is best used as a supporting character in a team book, and not as a solo character.

WHY IS DEADPOOL NOT IN THIS BOOK. Marvel ditched the awesomeness of Deadpool for two Cyborgs and the little lady.(who's hair can't decide what color it wants to be)

Joe Franklin

02-11-2008, 06:29 PM

WHY IS DEADPOOL NOT IN THIS BOOK.

Because he is going to have his own monthly book written by everybody's favorite writer, Daniel Way.;) :D

darksaint124

02-11-2008, 06:30 PM

Because he is going to have his own monthly book written by everybody's favorite writer, Daniel Way.;) :D

But they can get the time displaced Deadpool from *shudder* Wolverine:Origins.

kate-pryde

02-11-2008, 06:54 PM

Slyfer

02-11-2008, 07:26 PM

I am looking forward to this ... ALOT

rwsmith

02-11-2008, 08:31 PM

It's sad but true.:(

Cable is best used as a supporting character in a team book, and not as a solo character.

I think Cable is actually plenty viable as a solo character. His solo book used to sell a heck of a lot more than Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America or even Fantastic Four. But that was back when he ran X-Force and focused more on doing the X-men's dirty work (i.e., the job that Wolverine now has after Messiah Complex).

IMO it makes more sense than ever for Cable to be in that role now. I like Wolverine as much as the next guy (okay, maybe a lot more, actually), but with him on the Avengers and the X-men, I think Marvel should spend a little time developing other "bad ass" characters. As it stands, their whole universe seems to revolve around a pretty small number of iconic characters with everyone else supporting. In fact, Wolverine is probably the most recent creation who has risen to iconic status, and he was created in 1975!

Cable was on the fast track back in the early 90's, though. At one point he was almost as popular as Wolverine even. If Marvel would bring him back to the present and let him lead this new X-Force team (with the same hot creative team), I'm betting he could get there again.

I'm pretty torn on that, though, because I'm really liking this new X-Force team and seeing Logan lead for once. At the same time, however, part of me wants to see Cable back in the present leading this team. And it's not like Wolverine doesn't have enough to keep him busy.

Joe Franklin

02-11-2008, 08:37 PM

I think Cable is actually plenty viable as a solo character. His solo book used to sell a heck of a lot more than Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America or even Fantastic Four.

This was in the mid-90's, when everything X was a top seller for Marvel. This is not the case for Marvel in the 21st century however. If it were the mid-90's, Claremont's Exiles would sell 75K every month.

justin gilchrist

02-11-2008, 09:40 PM

I have always liked Cable in team books, but I have never liked him as a solo character. So I will be passing on this due to not being interested in the art at all. Now if Bachalo or Ramos were drawing it, I would buy it for the art alone.

Cable needs a good ensemble cast or at least another character like Deadpool to be remotely interesting. I really liked him as part of Rogue's team. It's a shame that it was broken up. Cable mentoring the Young X-Men might work.

The Bishop and Cable chasing each other around to find the newborn mutant was the part of crossover that I thought drug on and on and got boring. Dunno why they're bothering to continue it, unless it is only for a few issues.

The art really is horrible too. Bachalo or Eaton would be much better. Even Ramos. What is with all this bad artists being put on X-books?

DeniseXfrost

02-11-2008, 09:46 PM

I do not like that art at all!

Blade X

02-11-2008, 11:12 PM

Post-It

02-12-2008, 12:09 AM

Looks alright. But East Orange, NJ is nowhere near the beach. Unless its just meant to be sarcastic and i do enjoy good sarcasm in comics.

worstblogever

02-12-2008, 02:11 AM

Who's the silhouetted guy with the red, round eyes glowing when Cable's "Blasting his way out" of the hospital with the baby? Just a random Purifier? I don't believe he looks like any of the Marauders or Acolytes...

Random guy in silhouette, or future Cable nemesis who was after the baby through Messiah CompleX who we've never seen prior to this?

You be the judge...

DeniseXfrost

02-12-2008, 02:51 AM

Man your avatar is so lol.

I think it's one the marauders. I know prism was there but I couldn't remember the other one.

steve2275

02-12-2008, 03:55 AM

the arts much better than say
yu or aja or maleev or lee send them to dc dammit(ok keep yu)
u can hardly tell who is who with theirs

Flâneur

02-12-2008, 03:59 AM

While I appreciate the synchronicity with Cable playing the role that Rachel and co. played for him, Cable as would be messiah and a progressive world force was far more interesting to me. The art is also ... not that hot to look at. So it's looking more and more like I won't be touching this with a ten foot pole.

darknessatnoon

02-12-2008, 04:08 AM

I do not like that art at all!

At least it's not Ramos. I think the art there is great.

And East Orange might be by the beach in the future. This can be explained by global warming. Suspension of disbelief, people!

rwsmith

02-12-2008, 08:37 AM

This was in the mid-90's, when everything X was a top seller for Marvel. This is not the case for Marvel in the 21st century however. If it were the mid-90's, Claremont's Exiles would sell 75K every month.

I still say that besides Wolverine he is the most viable X-men to have an ongoing solo book. But you are right that he would work better on a team. In fact, my whole point is that if he were on a team he would be more important to the X-books, and thus his solo title would sell better.

But Marvel seems to be trying the 'Soldier X' route with the character again, where he's off on his own and no one is really paying attention to anything he's doing. They seem to forget that when he was big in the early 90's he was also leading the New Mutants/X-Force.

Oh, well. If they want to give leadership of X-Force to Wolverine, who am I to complain? ;)

thegreenking

02-12-2008, 11:07 AM

finally cable gets his own book again

brundlefly

02-12-2008, 11:22 AM

WHY IS DEADPOOL NOT IN THIS BOOK. Marvel ditched the awesomeness of Deadpool for two Cyborgs and the little lady.(who's hair can't decide what color it wants to be)

Sums up my feelings about this unneeded revamp pretty accurately....

Fatguy

02-12-2008, 11:25 AM

Ugh the art looks even worse here then on War Journal! :(

Madrox84

02-12-2008, 12:17 PM

Looks pretty good.

I'll be giving it a go.

jarrod

02-12-2008, 12:30 PM

I still say that besides Wolverine he is the most viable X-men to have an ongoing solo book.
Storm or Magneto would all work just as well conceptually imo, and arguably better commercially.

rwsmith

02-12-2008, 01:12 PM

They've both had minis that did not sell very well, so I don't think so.

RodeoWearden

02-12-2008, 01:20 PM

I'll be picking this up. I loved Cable from around the first 20 issues of Cable and Deadpool, and have been wanting to see him back in action.

Daithi

02-12-2008, 01:40 PM

They've both had minis that did not sell very well, so I don't think so.

Er wasn't the Storm mini about her time as kid? It doesn't really compare to a contemporary ongoing. Give her enough marketing and a push and it would be fine. Magneto I'm not sure about though.

ClanAskani

02-12-2008, 02:07 PM

But Marvel seems to be trying the 'Soldier X' route with the character again, where he's off on his own and no one is really paying attention to anything he's doing. They seem to forget that when he was big in the early 90's he was also leading the New Mutants/X-Force.

The major similarity with Soldier X is the bad art. Cable is off on his own, but it's not like in Soldier X. Soldier X was an unnecessary re-envisioning of Cable written by a writer who hated nearly everything about the character he was writing. That isn't the case here. Cable is being taken out of the present day, but at least he's not separated from the X-Universe. After a few arcs, it will be easy for Cable to return with the baby and to have guest appearances. If sales decline, it's easy for there to be crossovers and guest appearances.

It is true that Cable's solo series always sold better when it was tied directly into what was happening in the other X-books. It was a top 10 title back in the 90s and that wasn't only because any X-book would sell, the book rocked. Cable was selling 135,000 at the height of Jeph Loeb's run, and less than 17,000 by the end of Soldier X. Cable as an X-book, with X-characters, tied into what's going on in the other X-books, sells a lot better than Cable off on his own. This new Cable should do considerably better than Soldier X, but the longevity of the series depends on how much Cable goes back to what worked in the 90s.

Cable may be a slow starter since Duane S. is still getting a handle on writing comics, it seems like it's going to be incredibly decompressed, and it's recapping what's already happened and who the characters are. Hopefully after a couple of arcs, the book will get going and move in a better direction.

rwsmith

02-12-2008, 02:09 PM

Er wasn't the Storm mini about her time as kid? It doesn't really compare to a contemporary ongoing. Give her enough marketing and a push and it would be fine. Magneto I'm not sure about though.

She's had more than one over the years. There was one back in the 90's (when supposedly everything "X" sold a ton) which also didn't do well enough to warrant an ongoing.

You know what I think the problem with characters like Storm, Magneto, Cyclops, Jean, Rachel, etc., supporting their own book is? Honestly? They are all energy wielders who do most of their fighting from a distance. Think about it. Even Iron Man, who has all sorts of energy beams and weapons and whatnot, usually ends up slugging it out from time to time with some other guy in an armored suit or with super-durability or something.

The characters that can support their own book do some (if not most) of their fighting up close and personal. Spider-man, Wolverine, Captain America, Daredevil, Hulk, Iron Man, and even Batman and Superman. I think that's what's missing from a Magneto or Storm series. Why would they ever fight anyone hand-to-hand when they can just zap them from a distance? And zapping bad guys from a distance doesn't make for the most compelling fight scenes, you know?

Just my $.02 on why those two characters, while popular, will never have a successful ongoing.

rwsmith

02-12-2008, 02:14 PM

It is true that Cable's solo series always sold better when it was tied directly into what was happening in the other X-books. It was a top 10 title back in the 90s and that wasn't only because any X-book would sell, the book rocked. Cable was selling 135,000 at the height of Jeph Loeb's run, and less than 17,000 by the end of Soldier X. Cable as an X-book, with X-characters, tied into what's going on in the other X-books, sells a lot better than Cable off on his own. This new Cable should do considerably better than Soldier X, but the longevity of the series depends on how much Cable goes back to what worked in the 90s.

My point exactly. Cable worked best when he was doing the things that the X-men wouldn't (or couldn't) do. Now that distinction seems to be going to Wolverine, so I guess that's why Cable gets stuck with baby-sitting duty in the future.

ClanAskani

02-12-2008, 02:19 PM

My point exactly. Cable worked best when he was doing the things that the X-men wouldn't (or couldn't) do. Now that distinction seems to be going to Wolverine, so I guess that's why Cable gets stuck with baby-sitting duty in the future.

I don't mind the babysitting. It's cute. Cable's mission with the baby doesn't have to happen in the future.

I think the problem is the old complant some readers have about having to read all the X-books to understand what's going on, and the writers not being able to do their own things. But that should be able to be accomplished without sending Cable into the future.

Although, I suspect the reason Cable can't be around (just like Storm and Havok) is that currently the X-books are a large Cyclops lovefest about how great a leader he is, anyone who might challenge him is being shipped off.

La Fea

02-12-2008, 02:46 PM

I think the art is nice but awkward.

Some things look like they were stickers (OMG that would be neat though!) and some things (ie a gigantic metal thing eating a man's arm) lack intensity.

Shyft

02-12-2008, 02:50 PM

It USED to bug me that Cable was running at bullets with a baby ( with no neck support, mind you) strapped to his chest. Now it bothers me that Cable is firing high caliber weapons right next to a baby wearing no ear protection.

So a baby that can support its head and not wearing ear protection is harder to swallow than a time traveling man with a robotic arm who's eye glows and who is older than his father? riiiiight.

Joe Franklin

02-12-2008, 07:35 PM

Storm or Magneto would all work just as well conceptually imo, and arguably better commercially.

It's been tried, and it failed.

Wolverine is the only solo X-Men character who has been able to sustain a long running solo series in the 21st century according to the sales figures. Everybody else needs to be in a team book to sell worth a crap. It's not the mid-90's any longer, and everything X does not sell these days.

That JonoGuy

02-12-2008, 08:11 PM

This looks to be an interesting series. While not my favorite artist, Olivetti does a good enough job. I would have loved to see Igor Kordey back on cable, but Marvel burned that bridge.

rwsmith

02-12-2008, 08:59 PM

It's been tried, and it failed.

Wolverine is the only solo X-Men character who has been able to sustain a long running solo series in the 21st century according to the sales figures. Everybody else needs to be in a team book to sell worth a crap. It's not the mid-90's any longer, and everything X does not sell these days.

I'm betting if Cable was on a high-profile team book or two (something like New Avengers or Astonishing X-men perhaps) that his solo title would sell pretty darn well.

I honestly think that Cable is one of the more viable Marvel characters created in the last 30 years, but it's all in the approach. Essentially that approach is being utilized by Ed Brubaker right now in Captain America, where he's got a cybernetically enhanced soldier/freedom fighter running around in Cap's uniform. And Cap's a bigger brand name, so I guess Cable is S.O.L.

I suppose Marvel decided to play up the time-traveler angle because it was really the only niche for a guy like Cable that wasn't taken by another hero (black ops/dirty work = Wolverine; cybernetic freedom fighter = Captain America/Winter Soldier; hi-tech espionage = Iron Man; out of control powers = Hulk). So they went with "time-traveling custodian of mutantkind's savior" for him. It's definitely different, but I'm betting it won't be a huge success.

I'd like to see them make Cable a major player by having him be the anti-Iron Man. A guy who has hi-tech weaponry and is always a step ahead, but who won't work for the establishment. The New Avengers could use a guy like that. Sort of across between Wolverine and Batman.

Of course, as I said, Bucky sort of seems to be stepping into that role a bit. So perhaps it would be a bit redundant and, as you said, Joe, Cable's time has passed. Maybe he really is a relic of the 90's "Image era." Time will tell I suppose.

Joe Franklin

02-12-2008, 09:06 PM

I'm betting if Cable was on a high-profile team book or two (something like New Avengers or Astonishing X-men perhaps) that his solo title would sell pretty darn well.

If Marvel were to put 2 mega-star creators like Alan Moore and Jim Lee together on Cable it would sell great, but average creators on Cable will fail due to his mediocre fan base. I like Cable, but the fact is that he won't sell very well in today's overcrowded market.

Liberty Belle Fan

02-13-2008, 07:04 AM

I looked over the preview a few more times last night, and I know I said the art wasn't too bad in my earlier posts. However, I examined a few panels and I will agree with the majority in saying it is at least awkward.

The still panels aren't the problem but the action shots. When Cable is leaping over the log it's just kind of like a shrinky dink set up. When Bishop was attacked by Predator-X in MC the action was much more exciting than the shot of him being attacked in the preview.

I'm also somewhat spoiled since I've been reading through trades of Cable & Deadpool and I've been able to see some of the cool action shots of Cable fighting Cap etc. My primary motivation for reading a comic has always been the character, followed by story, and the artwork is at the bottom of those three.

Marvel could do a lot with this character and I would absolutely hate to see him taken out of Cable & Deadpool for his Messiah Complex appearance, just to star in his own solo title for 10-20 issues and then vanish again. I'd like to see this series pick up steam, give him a predominant spot in the MU, put him on a team, and write him the way he's been set up in all of the stories in the past. Finally, let's hope the new creative team has done their homework and read through Cable's material to bring us the best story possible.

jarrod

02-13-2008, 10:49 AM

They've both had minis that did not sell very well, so I don't think so.
I dunno... Magneto's last buddy book outsold Cable's last buddy book by like 3 to 1. ;)

Neither Magento or Storm have had a really high profile "non-flashback" mini in over a decade... that's something of a departure compared to Cable's fairly recent two failed ongoings and the commercially disspointing X-Force mini that Cable headlined.... if anything, it's Cable who's proven unable to keep a book going these days frankly.

Third time's the charm I guess? ;)

ClanAskani

02-13-2008, 02:57 PM

Neither Magento or Storm have had a really high profile "non-flashback" mini in over a decade... that's something of a departure compared to Cable's fairly recent two failed ongoings and the commercially disspointing X-Force mini that Cable headlined.... if anything, it's Cable who's proven unable to keep a book going these days frankly.

Third time's the charm I guess? ;)

I wouldn't blame Cable as a character for the demise of his first title or Soldier X. Cable was selling quite well during most of Weinberg's run. It was when editors started mucking around with Cable that sales plummeted.

markdienekes

02-15-2008, 05:13 AM

I'm really looking forward to this, however, I get the feeling that this will be Cable's final chapter in comics... this story will probably end with his death...

I like the art style, it's a lot different than most comics on sale...

markdienekes

02-15-2008, 05:14 AM

I wouldn't blame Cable as a character for the demise of his first title or Soldier X. Cable was selling quite well during most of Weinberg's run. It was when editors started mucking around with Cable that sales plummeted.

I can only name one other x-character who's had as longer single title than Cable, so he's popular enough. He carried his own comic for a decade. I can't see anyone else in the x-teams managing that ; )

rwsmith

02-15-2008, 07:53 AM

I wouldn't blame Cable as a character for the demise of his first title or Soldier X. Cable was selling quite well during most of Weinberg's run. It was when editors started mucking around with Cable that sales plummeted.

I actually blame the art more than anything for the lack of success of Soldier X. The writing was pretty decent IMO.

ReturnOfTheComeback

02-19-2008, 12:47 AM

( ignore the heading ) Igor Kordey's art made Soldier X what it was , which was good!

That JonoGuy

02-19-2008, 01:12 AM

( ignore the heading ) Igor Kordey's art made Soldier X what it was , which was good!

100% agree. Kordey really gave the book a great look. I just don't think Darko Macan was well suited for the title. I think if David Tischman had stayed on the book it might have lasted longer.

ReturnOfTheComeback

02-19-2008, 01:16 AM

Darko Macan made the book funny while David Tischman made the book preachy...

kate-pryde

02-19-2008, 02:12 AM

Soldier X wasn't Cable. He was a new character masquerading as Cable, and readers weren't fooled. Soldier X has to be the worst book ever published by Marvel. Not only was it absolutely abysmal writing and incomprehensible art, it was one of the lowest selling ongoing X-books ever.

At the time, I never thought Cable was going to actually survive it. When the cancellation was announced before Soldier X #4 came out, I assumed Nate would be killed off in the last issue. I can't believe how much times have changed now. I guess things really aren't a bleak as they were for Cable back then.

Tischman's run was hampered by editorial interference. What he had planned wasn't that all that bad, but what he was allowed to do was a different story that turned out incredibly poorly.

ReturnOfTheComeback

02-19-2008, 07:37 AM

Soldier X has to be the worst book ever published by Marvel. Not only was it absolutely abysmal writing and incomprehensible art

Philistine!

it was one of the lowest selling ongoing X-books ever.

True pop art is never fully appreciated in it's own time.

rwsmith

02-19-2008, 09:08 AM

Yeah, I thought the concept of Soldier X wasn't bad. It was basically Nate as a global revolutionary trying to make a better future, which is essentially the same thing he tried to do in Cable/Deadpool.

Picture Soldier X penciled by someone like Dave Finch and I think you'd have a much better result.

ClanAskani

02-19-2008, 03:18 PM

The concept might not have been bad, but the execution was.

I was re-reading Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix, and it got me thinking that something Rachel says could be the reasoning for what Nate is doing with the baby.

Rachel says that prior to Poccy taking over the Askani future (about 200 years prior to Nathan arriving), there was a peaceful era called the Age of Xavier. What if the baby is the cause of that? She causes a disaster, and that in turn causes her to fix the damage she's done?

But Rachel says that the fact that both humans and mutants were at peace was the reason Poccy was able to take over so easy. They weren't prepared. Cable could want to make sure that peaceful era happens, but what if he wants to make sure they aren't a bunch of pacifists ripe for a dictator to take over?

rwsmith

02-19-2008, 06:12 PM

I seriously doubt that Duane Swiercynski will reference anything from The Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix. At least not if he wants this new series to be interesting to anyone other than those who are well-steeped in Summers family minutiae (i.e., he wants it to be successful from a sales standpoint).

Sorry, but that was a crappy 90's mini-series that is best forgotten IMO.

kate-pryde

02-19-2008, 06:27 PM

Mike Carey included a flashback to AoC&P in X-Men 207. It certainly is going to be incredibly relevant to Cable. What happened in it is one of the reasons why Scott gave the baby to Nate. It's at the core of their relationship.

And Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix was one of the biggest X-Events of 1994 (following Scott & Jean's wedding) and sold more copies than Messiah Complex.

If the baby did play a role in anything Mother Askani told Scott about I don't get why Scott wouldn't know about who the baby is. If I was stranded 2000 years in the future, I'd be obsessed with trying to find out what happened in the past to my friends and family. So Scott would likely find out about any major event like a six minute war or mutants in camps.

rwsmith

02-19-2008, 06:32 PM

That's a sure-fire way to make sure this new series tanks. Make it all about crappy time-traveling Summers family history.

And comparing 1994 sales figures to those of the present is a pretty poor way to prove your argument (especially when you've produced no actual numbers to back up your claim). Even if what you say is true, though, I really don't think that today's audience cares about what happened in the far future with the Askan'i and all that crap. If Duane starts going down that road, this series will fail.

kate-pryde

02-19-2008, 06:56 PM

AoC&P seems like the basis for the current Cable series, since it's the story of a family - Cable and the baby - being chased in the future.

Clearly the relationship between Scott and Nate is going to play a role in the new Cable, since it was plugged in the press release for Cable #1. The whole reason Scott gave the baby to Nate has to do with their past, Scott having to give up Nate, how Scott raised Nate as a tool, and how Nate was never allowed to decide his own fate.

If you look at how badly Cable series have sold since Robert Weinberg was fired (and I do wonder if some Weinberg fan did curse Marvel and all future Cable series), all of the reinventions and reboots of Cable have failed miserably, it makes sense to finally go back to what worked.

Karl H

02-19-2008, 07:43 PM

Having finally read the Moon Knight Annual, i'm backing the writer to bring home the goods, and I love the gunslingers vibe between Cable and Bishop

rwsmith

02-19-2008, 08:21 PM

If you look at how badly Cable series have sold since Robert Weinberg was fired (and I do wonder if some Weinberg fan did curse Marvel and all future Cable series), all of the reinventions and reboots of Cable have failed miserably, it makes sense to finally go back to what worked.

I agree with that. I think we just disagree about what worked and where exactly Cable "went wrong" as a character.

kate-pryde

02-20-2008, 03:46 PM

I agree with that. I think we just disagree about what worked and where exactly Cable "went wrong" as a character.

Soldier X and Tischman's Cable was trying to go back to Cable being a mysterious mercenary. Both failed miserably.

Cable seems like it's going back to the 1992-1994 period around X-Cutioner's Song and the introduction of the Askani.

Time travel was the biggest element removed by the failed attempts to reboot Cable, so going back to that is a major step.

But I doubt the new Cable going to get into a lot of the complexities of time travel and altering history, since that's been completely glanced over in Messiah Complex. Duane Swierczynski isn't a science fiction writer and I doubt he's going to be writing editorials for books about how Cable fits with time travel paradoxes and Novikov's self-consistency principle like Robert Weinberg did.

It seems like the time travel in Cable is going to be more akin to the time travel in the old 1980s cartoon Lazer Tag Academy to anything science fiction-y.

I'd rather Cable go reform X-Force. And if Cable is time traveling, then I wish Marvel would go completely scifi.

kate-pryde

02-29-2008, 10:40 AM

rwsmith

02-29-2008, 10:47 AM

"Check out the tip on that son of a $#!@%." Ha! Looks really good to me. I'm actually a bit more fired up about this than I thought I'd be.

The return of bad ass Cable is upon us! :D

rwsmith

02-29-2008, 11:39 AM

Cable2X

02-29-2008, 11:48 AM

Another preview of Cable #1:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0802/29/marvelfirsts.htm

It seems like over half the issue has been released as a preview now.

And for those wondering about how East Orange is on the beach - it's explained that the East Coast was hit by a superstorm in 2012, destroying New York. So East Orange is on the coast, and everything east of it has been destroyed (meaning all of NYC).

Cable and the baby are in 2043.

WOW. The first preview was so-so. I had my doubts, but this.... This looks bad a$$. This seems like the Cable that made me a fan a long time ago.

PS. I really like the fact that Cable carries the baby around in a little bucket.

Jeff-X

02-29-2008, 01:26 PM

I took the liberty of fixing the mistake on the Cable #2 variant with regards to his glowing eye:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/Jackraow21/CABLE2variant.jpg

This image is now my wallpaper on the my laptop.

Uhhh... can you fix Bishop's fingers too there at the bottom of the page? Unless his cybernetic arm has fake skin and fingernails on it.

streator

02-29-2008, 02:31 PM

the lettered preview looks good. cable swearing seems a little odd, though.

edit: i don't really like the new logo, either. i would have preferred either of the old ones.

markdienekes

02-29-2008, 05:05 PM

that's virtually the old logo... looks really good, damn it, four days to wait!!!

streator

02-29-2008, 10:47 PM

that's virtually the old logo... looks really good, damn it, four days to wait!!!

not a fan:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0802/29/cable1c.htm

fan:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/showgallery.asp?fldAuto=22&ID=cable&title=Cable%20(2nd%20series)&page=6

fan:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/showgallery.asp?fldAuto=22&ID=cable&title=Cable%20(2nd%20series)&page=7